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Breaking the Starving Artist Stereotype: A Call to Action · Music Explored Podcast

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  And
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  I
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  think
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  everybody
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  has
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  those
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  stories,
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  they
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  just
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  sometimes
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  don't
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  know
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  how
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  to
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  share
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  it.
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  But
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  I
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  am
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  fascinated
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  by
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  the
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  human
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  experience.
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  Yeah,
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  me
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  too,
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  man,
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  me
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  too.
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  And
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  just
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  like,
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  like
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  you
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  said,
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  just
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  being
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  able
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  to
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  be
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  a
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  part
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  of.
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  Even
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  if
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  it's
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  a
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  30,
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  45
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  minute
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  conversation,
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  in
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  cases,
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  these
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  are
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  people
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  that
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  we've
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  ended
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  up
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  being
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  able
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  to
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  stay
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  in
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  touch
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  with
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  too
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  and.
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  Right.
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  Share
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  their
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  share
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  in
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  their
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  journey
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  as,
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  as
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  it
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  progresses.
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  So
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  that's
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  cool.
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  And
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  other
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  things
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  say
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  too,
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  because
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  I
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  guess
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  the
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  original.
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  Why
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  how
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  I
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  sort
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  of
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  got
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  into
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  some
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  of
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  the
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  spaces
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  that
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  we've
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  managed
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  to
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  get
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  in.
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  Remember
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  when
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  I
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  was.
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  You
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  remember
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  when
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  I
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  was.
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  I
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  was
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  playing
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  bass
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  and
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  I
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  started
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  playing.
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  Well,
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  I
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  started
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  playing
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  bass
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  at
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  church
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  and
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  then
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  I
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  started.
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  I
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  did
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  a
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  couple.
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  I
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  remember
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  going
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  on
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  a
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  drive
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  with
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  you
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  and
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  man,
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  I'm
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  playing
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  for
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  this
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  artist.
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  Like
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  it
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  was
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  my
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  first
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  time
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  doing
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  something
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  like
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  more.
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  I
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  think
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  I
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  did
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  a
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  corporate
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  thing.
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  And
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  then
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  it
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  sort
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  of
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  led
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  like
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  to
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  some
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  artist
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  stuff
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  after
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  like
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  the
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  third
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  or
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  fourth
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  time
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  out.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah.
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  And
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  the
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  real
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  reason,
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  one
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  of
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  our
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  earliest
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  conversations
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  about
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  the
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  whole
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  DNA
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  project
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  and
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  like
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  making
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  it
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  more
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  of
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  a
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  thing
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  that's
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  not
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  just
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  about
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  me
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  picking
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  up
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  an
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  instrument
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  was
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  I
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  saw
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  there
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  was
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  a
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  lot.
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  There
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  was
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  a
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  handful
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  of
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  us
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  at
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  the
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  time
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  that
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  were
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  coming
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  from
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  similar
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  backgrounds.
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  Some
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  of
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  us
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  like
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  grew
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  up
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  like
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  doing
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  the
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  thing
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  playing
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  in
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  church.
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  Some
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  went
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  to
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  school
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  and
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  got
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  their
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  chops
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  that
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  way.
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  But
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  it
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  was
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  like,
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  now
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  we're
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  in
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  this
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  corporate
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  space
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  and
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  this
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  was
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  some
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  years
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  back.
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  So
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  I
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  know
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  things
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  have
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  shifted
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  now,
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  the
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  way
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  that
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  the
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  world
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  views
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  and
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  now
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  respects
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  art
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  and
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  artists.
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  But
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  at
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  that
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  time
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  it
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  was
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  like
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  starving
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  musician.
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  If
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  you
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  told
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  someone
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  you're
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  getting
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  the
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  music,
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  they'd
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  be
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  like,
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  they
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  felt
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  bad
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  for
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  you,
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  they
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  felt
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  sorry
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  for
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  you.
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  A
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  couple
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  people
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  were
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  like,
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  ah,
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  tough
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  break,
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  tough
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  hustle.
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  Good
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  luck.
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  Yeah,
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  good
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  luck.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah.
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  And
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  that
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  was
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  like,
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  that
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  was
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  me
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  as
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  I
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  was
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  formulating
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  this
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  like,
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  as
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  a
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  business
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  outside
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  of
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  like
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  personal
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  brand
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  or
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  just
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  being
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  a
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  musician
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  myself.
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  And
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  even
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  still
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  it
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  wasn't
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  respected.
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  And
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  that
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  was
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  discouraging
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  at
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  times.
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  But
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  of
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  course
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  the
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  big
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  thing
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  was
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  when
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  I
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  took.
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  When
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  I
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  saw
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  like
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  we're
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  coming
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  with
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  talent,
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  people
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  are
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  coming
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  with
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  10,
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  15,
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  even
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  more.
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  20
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  years
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  of
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  experience,
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  hours
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  and
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  hours
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  and
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  hours
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  of
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  hard
• 2:18
  work
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  to
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  come.
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  Entertainment,
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  your
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  butt
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  at
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  your
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  event.
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  And
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  people
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  would
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  have
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  the
• 2:23
  audacity
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  to
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  be
• 2:24
  like,
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  either
• 2:25
  they
• 2:25
  want.
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  People
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  want
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  to
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  lowball
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  you,
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  so
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  they'd
• 2:27
  want
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  to
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  Pay
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  you
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  almost
• 2:28
  dirt,
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  or
• 2:29
  they'd
• 2:29
  want
• 2:30
  to
• 2:30
  pay
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  you
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  the
• 2:31
  thing
• 2:31
  that
• 2:31
  comes
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  from
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  dirt,
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  which
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  is
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  in
• 2:33
  food.
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  That
• 2:34
  was
• 2:34
  a
• 2:34
  conversation
• 2:35
  multiple
• 2:35
  times
• 2:36
  where
• 2:36
  people
• 2:36
  would
• 2:36
  be
• 2:36
  like,
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  oh,
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  yeah,
• 2:37
  we'll
• 2:37
  feed
• 2:37
  the
• 2:38
  band.
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  Like,
• 2:39
  you
• 2:39
  think
• 2:39
  that
• 2:39
  people
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  spend
• 2:40
  their
• 2:40
  whole
• 2:40
  lives
• 2:41
  dedicated
• 2:41
  to
• 2:42
  this
• 2:43
  to
• 2:43
  come.
• 2:44
  You
• 2:44
  have
• 2:44
  the
• 2:44
  audacity
• 2:45
  to
• 2:45
  let
• 2:45
  us
• 2:46
  entertain
• 2:46
  you
• 2:47
  and
• 2:47
  your
• 2:47
  guests
• 2:48
  wearing
• 2:49
  beautiful
• 2:49
  suits,
• 2:50
  the
• 2:50
  finest
• 2:51
  spread,
• 2:52
  the
• 2:52
  centerpiece
• 2:53
  of
• 2:53
  your
• 2:53
  event
• 2:53
  are
• 2:54
  the
• 2:54
  people
• 2:54
  on
• 2:54
  the
• 2:54
  stage
• 2:55
  that.
• 2:55
  Setting
• 2:56
  the
• 2:56
  whole
• 2:56
  tone.
• 2:56
  Imagine
• 2:57
  walking
• 2:57
  to
• 2:57
  the
• 2:57
  event
• 2:58
  and
• 2:58
  it's
• 2:58
  silent.
• 2:58
  People
• 2:59
  like
• 2:59
  deal
• 3:00
  can
• 3:00
  get
• 3:00
  a
• 3:01
  dj.
• 3:01
  There's
• 3:01
  no
• 3:02
  speakers
• 3:03
  working.
• 3:03
  So
• 3:04
  now
• 3:04
  we're
• 3:04
  the
• 3:04
  centerpiece
• 3:05
  of
• 3:05
  your
• 3:05
  whole
• 3:05
  event.
• 3:06
  And
• 3:06
  you
• 3:06
  have
• 3:06
  the
• 3:06
  nerve
• 3:07
  to
• 3:07
  say,
• 3:08
  you
• 3:08
  know,
• 3:08
  we
• 3:08
  could
• 3:08
  pay
• 3:08
  you
• 3:08
  in
• 3:09
  food
• 3:09
  or
• 3:09
  we
• 3:09
  can
• 3:10
  give
• 3:10
  you
• 3:10
  100
• 3:10
  bucks.
• 3:11
  Like
• 3:11
  that
• 3:12
  kind
• 3:12
  of
• 3:12
  thing
• 3:12
  made
• 3:13
  me
• 3:13
  realize
• 3:14
  people
• 3:14
  are
• 3:14
  accepting
• 3:15
  this.
• 3:15
  That's
• 3:15
  why
• 3:15
  it's
• 3:16
  working.
• 3:16
  So
• 3:17
  that's
• 3:17
  what
• 3:17
  really
• 3:17
  drove
• 3:18
  me
• 3:18
  to
• 3:18
  be
• 3:18
  like,
• 3:18
  I
• 3:19
  want
• 3:19
  to
• 3:19
  be
• 3:20
  the
• 3:20
  guy
• 3:21
  to
• 3:21
  be
• 3:21
  the
• 3:21
  ambassador
• 3:22
  and
• 3:22
  the
• 3:23
  bridge
• 3:23
  between
• 3:23
  these
• 3:24
  corporate
• 3:25
  people.
• 3:26
  I
• 3:27
  was
• 3:27
  going
• 3:27
  to
• 3:27
  say
• 3:27
  another
• 3:27
  word,
• 3:28
  but
• 3:29
  it's
• 3:29
  all
• 3:29
  good.
• 3:29
  We're
• 3:29
  all
• 3:29
  in
• 3:30
  the
• 3:30
  same
• 3:30
  space.
• 3:30
  These
• 3:31
  corporate
• 3:31
  people
• 3:32
  and
• 3:32
  the
• 3:32
  musicians
• 3:32
  are
• 3:33
  the
• 3:33
  talent
• 3:33
  and
• 3:33
  sort
• 3:34
  of
• 3:34
  like,
• 3:34
  you
• 3:35
  know,
• 3:35
  find
• 3:36
  some
• 3:36
  mutual
• 3:37
  ground
• 3:37
  that
• 3:38
  works
• 3:38
  for
• 3:38
  both
• 3:39
  and
• 3:39
  the
• 3:39
  respect
• 3:40
  that
• 3:40
  is
• 3:42
  now
• 3:42
  seen.
• 3:42
  And
• 3:42
  I
• 3:42
  know
• 3:43
  that
• 3:43
  the
• 3:43
  world
• 3:43
  has
• 3:44
  changed,
• 3:44
  so
• 3:45
  I.
• 3:45
  I
• 3:45
  know
• 3:46
  we
• 3:46
  played
• 3:46
  a
• 3:46
  role
• 3:46
  in
• 3:46
  that
• 3:47
  here
• 3:47
  in
• 3:47
  the
• 3:47
  city,
• 3:48
  but,
• 3:49
  yeah,
• 3:49
  that's
• 3:50
  kind
• 3:50
  of
• 3:50
  what
• 3:50
  drove
• 3:50
  me
• 3:50
  to
• 3:51
  get
• 3:51
  this
• 3:51
  thing
• 3:51
  started
• 3:51
  in
• 3:52
  the
• 3:52
  first
• 3:52
  place.
• 3:52
  So.
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  don't
• 3:53
  know
• 3:53
  if
• 3:53
  I've
• 3:53
  ever
• 3:53
  really
• 3:54
  said
• 3:54
  that.
• 3:55
  No.
• 3:56
  Well,
• 3:57
  to
• 3:57
  me,
• 3:57
  I.
• 3:57
  I
• 3:57
  kind
• 3:58
  of
• 3:58
  knew
• 3:58
  that.
• 3:58
  But
• 3:59
  I'm
• 4:00
  glad
• 4:00
  you
• 4:00
  shared
• 4:00
  that
• 4:00
  with
• 4:01
  everybody
• 4:02
  because,
• 4:04
  yeah,
• 4:04
  it
• 4:04
  was,
• 4:04
  it
• 4:05
  was.
• 4:05
  It
• 4:06
  was
• 4:07
  interesting
• 4:07
  to
• 4:08
  see
• 4:09
  what
• 4:09
  you
• 4:11
  were
• 4:11
  doing
• 4:11
  then
• 4:12
  to
• 4:12
  what
• 4:12
  you're
• 4:12
  doing
• 4:12
  now.
• 4:13
  And
• 4:14
  I
• 4:14
  don't
• 4:14
  want
• 4:14
  to.
• 4:14
  I
• 4:14
  want
• 4:15
  you
• 4:15
  to
• 4:15
  share
• 4:15
  that
• 4:15
  one
• 4:16
  day
• 4:16
  with
• 4:16
  people.
• 4:16
  But,
• 4:17
  yeah,
• 4:17
  I
• 4:18
  totally
• 4:18
  understand
• 4:18
  where
• 4:19
  you're
• 4:19
  coming
• 4:19
  from.
• 4:19
  And
• 4:23
  I
• 4:23
  think
• 4:24
  the
• 4:24
  noble
• 4:25
  why
• 4:25
  is
• 4:26
  what
• 4:27
  a
• 4:27
  lot
• 4:27
  of
• 4:28
  people
• 4:28
  forget.
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  shouldn't
• 4:29
  even
• 4:29
  say
• 4:30
  noble
• 4:30
  why?
• 4:30
  Just
• 4:31
  having
• 4:31
  a
• 4:31
  good
• 4:32
  reason
• 4:32
  to
• 4:32
  doing
• 4:33
  it.
• 4:33
  Yours
• 4:33
  comes
• 4:34
  from
• 4:34
  when
• 4:35
  you.
• 4:35
  When
• 4:35
  you
• 4:35
  take.
• 4:36
  And
• 4:36
  I
• 4:36
  forget
• 4:37
  who
• 4:37
  said
• 4:37
  this,
• 4:37
  but
• 4:37
  when
• 4:37
  you
• 4:38
  take
• 4:38
  the
• 4:38
  lens
• 4:39
  or
• 4:39
  stop
• 4:40
  looking
• 4:40
  through
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  lens
• 4:41
  of
• 4:41
  monetary
• 4:41
  gains.
• 4:42
  Right.
• 4:43
  Everything
• 4:44
  changes.
• 4:45
  It's
• 4:45
  true.
• 4:46
  I
• 4:46
  think
• 4:47
  too
• 4:47
  many
• 4:47
  people
• 4:48
  have
• 4:48
  the
• 4:48
  monetary
• 4:49
  lens
• 4:49
  on
• 4:50
  and
• 4:50
  they're
• 4:51
  looking
• 4:51
  through
• 4:51
  that
• 4:51
  lens.
• 4:52
  I.
• 4:52
  I
• 4:52
  see
• 4:52
  it.
• 4:53
  It's
• 4:53
  so
• 4:53
  transparent.
• 4:54
  Even
• 4:54
  when
• 4:54
  they
• 4:54
  try
• 4:55
  to
• 4:55
  hide
• 4:55
  it.
• 4:55
  Yeah.
• 4:56
  Smell
• 4:56
  it.
• 4:56
  Yeah.
• 4:57
  And
• 4:58
  it's
• 4:58
  always
• 4:59
  noticeable.
• 4:59
  Can't
• 5:00
  hide.
• 5:00
  Always.
• 5:00
  You
• 5:01
  can't
• 5:01
  hide.
• 5:01
  It's
• 5:01
  like
• 5:01
  your.
• 5:02
  Your
• 5:02
  intention.
• 5:03
  You
• 5:03
  can't
• 5:04
  hide
• 5:04
  your
• 5:04
  true
• 5:04
  intention.
• 5:05
  Maybe
• 5:05
  For
• 5:05
  a
• 5:05
  minute,
• 5:06
  but
• 5:06
  it
• 5:06
  comes
• 5:06
  out.
• 5:07
  People
• 5:07
  do
• 5:07
  a
• 5:07
  good
• 5:07
  job
• 5:08
  with
• 5:08
  your
• 5:08
  actions.
• 5:09
  Yeah,
• 5:10
  it's
• 5:10
  true
• 5:11
  on
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  surface,
• 5:11
  right?
• 5:12
  Yeah,
• 5:13
  yeah.
• 5:13
  You
• 5:13
  can
• 5:13
  be
• 5:13
  fooled
• 5:14
  by
• 5:14
  it.
• 5:14
  Remember
• 5:14
  we
• 5:15
  had
• 5:15
  this
• 5:15
  talk
• 5:15
  a
• 5:15
  while
• 5:16
  back
• 5:16
  about
• 5:16
  things
• 5:17
  musicians
• 5:17
  need
• 5:18
  to
• 5:18
  stop
• 5:18
  doing
• 5:19
  and
• 5:19
  I
• 5:19
  pointed
• 5:19
  it
• 5:19
  to
• 5:19
  musicians.
• 5:20
  I
• 5:20
  guess
• 5:20
  it
• 5:20
  could
• 5:20
  be
• 5:21
  creators
• 5:21
  in
• 5:21
  any
• 5:21
  aspect.
• 5:22
  But
• 5:22
  yeah,
• 5:23
  musicians.
• 5:23
  Just
• 5:24
  because
• 5:24
  that's
• 5:24
  the
• 5:24
  nature
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  our
• 5:25
  podcast.
• 5:26
  And
• 5:26
  that
• 5:26
  one
• 5:26
  that
• 5:27
  made
• 5:27
  me
• 5:27
  so
• 5:27
  mad
• 5:28
  was
• 5:28
  when
• 5:28
  people
• 5:28
  are
• 5:28
  like
• 5:29
  double
• 5:30
  booking
• 5:30
  themselves.
• 5:31
  Like
• 5:32
  that's
• 5:32
  to
• 5:32
  me
• 5:32
  is
• 5:33
  a
• 5:33
  direct.
• 5:34
  Obviously
• 5:35
  money
• 5:35
  is
• 5:35
  important,
• 5:36
  but
• 5:36
  I
• 5:36
  think
• 5:36
  when
• 5:36
  you
• 5:37
  are
• 5:37
  known
• 5:37
  for
• 5:37
  doing
• 5:38
  that
• 5:38
  kind
• 5:38
  of
• 5:38
  thing,
• 5:39
  it
• 5:39
  really.
• 5:40
  You
• 5:41
  push
• 5:41
  yourself
• 5:41
  out.
• 5:42
  Like
• 5:42
  there's
• 5:42
  only
• 5:42
  so
• 5:43
  far
• 5:43
  talent
• 5:43
  could
• 5:44
  take
• 5:44
  you
• 5:44
  before
• 5:45
  there's
• 5:45
  someone
• 5:45
  who's
• 5:46
  almost
• 5:46
  as
• 5:46
  good
• 5:47
  or
• 5:47
  better
• 5:48
  that,
• 5:48
  you
• 5:48
  know,
• 5:49
  respects
• 5:49
  your
• 5:50
  time
• 5:50
  as
• 5:50
  much
• 5:51
  as
• 5:51
  their
• 5:51
  own.
• 5:52
  So
• 5:52
  like
• 5:53
  little
• 5:53
  things
• 5:53
  like
• 5:53
  that,
• 5:56
  that's
• 5:56
  the
• 5:56
  intentionality.
• 5:57
  I
• 5:57
  think
• 5:58
  that's.
• 6:00
  Or
• 6:00
  even
• 6:00
  just
• 6:01
  your
• 6:01
  interactions
• 6:02
  with
• 6:03
  everybody
• 6:04
  involved
• 6:05
  in
• 6:05
  that
• 6:06
  moment,
• 6:06
  from
• 6:06
  the
• 6:07
  text
• 6:07
  to
• 6:07
  the
• 6:07
  other
• 6:08
  people
• 6:08
  you're
• 6:08
  playing
• 6:08
  with,
• 6:09
  to
• 6:09
  the
• 6:09
  planner.
• 6:10
  You
• 6:10
  know,
• 6:11
  how
• 6:11
  you.
• 6:12
  That
• 6:12
  first
• 6:12
  impression
• 6:13
  really,
• 6:14
  really
• 6:14
  matters
• 6:14
  all
• 6:15
  the
• 6:15
  way
• 6:15
  through.
• 6:15
  I'm
• 6:15
  living
• 6:16
  testament
• 6:16
  to
• 6:17
  just
• 6:17
  being
• 6:18
  kind
• 6:18
  to
• 6:18
  somebody
• 6:19
  and
• 6:19
  an
• 6:19
  opportunity
• 6:20
  coming
• 6:20
  from
• 6:21
  me
• 6:21
  just
• 6:21
  not
• 6:22
  even
• 6:22
  knowing
• 6:22
  who
• 6:22
  that
• 6:23
  person
• 6:23
  was.
• 6:24
  Just
• 6:24
  speaking
• 6:25
  them
• 6:25
  with
• 6:25
  respect
• 6:26
  and
• 6:26
  kindness
• 6:27
  and
• 6:27
  how
• 6:27
  they
• 6:27
  came
• 6:27
  back
• 6:28
  to
• 6:28
  me
• 6:28
  and
• 6:28
  go,
• 6:28
  hey,
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  like,
• 6:30
  I
• 6:30
  remember
• 6:30
  how
• 6:30
  we
• 6:30
  met.
• 6:31
  We
• 6:31
  had
• 6:31
  such
• 6:31
  a
• 6:31
  good
• 6:32
  first
• 6:32
  meeting.
• 6:32
  Can
• 6:33
  you
• 6:33
  do
• 6:33
  this
• 6:33
  for
• 6:33
  me?
• 6:33
  And
• 6:33
  it's
• 6:34
  like
• 6:34
  I
• 6:34
  didn't
• 6:34
  even
• 6:34
  know
• 6:34
  you
• 6:35
  were
• 6:35
  capable
• 6:36
  of
• 6:36
  doing
• 6:36
  this
• 6:37
  for
• 6:37
  me.
• 6:37
  But
• 6:37
  like,
• 6:37
  that's
• 6:38
  crazy.
• 6:38
  Those
• 6:39
  little
• 6:39
  things
• 6:39
  matter
• 6:40
  a
• 6:40
  lot.
• 6:40
  And
• 6:40
  the
• 6:41
  way
• 6:41
  I
• 6:41
  am
• 6:41
  with,
• 6:42
  you
• 6:42
  know,
• 6:42
  a
• 6:42
  drummer
• 6:43
  or
• 6:43
  a
• 6:43
  keyboard
• 6:44
  is.
• 6:44
  Might
• 6:44
  also
• 6:45
  bring
• 6:45
  me
• 6:46
  an
• 6:46
  opportunity
• 6:46
  because
• 6:47
  like,
• 6:47
  oh,
• 6:47
  he's
• 6:47
  a
• 6:47
  good
• 6:47
  guy.
• 6:48
  I
• 6:48
  like
• 6:48
  we
• 6:49
  had
• 6:49
  a
• 6:49
  good.
• 6:49
  And.
• 6:49
  And
• 6:49
  all
• 6:50
  of
• 6:50
  a
• 6:50
  sudden
• 6:50
  now
• 6:50
  I'm
• 6:50
  getting
• 6:51
  referred.
• 6:51
  Right.
• 6:52
  You
• 6:52
  know,
• 6:52
  and.
• 6:52
  Or
• 6:52
  I'm
• 6:53
  busy.
• 6:53
  Can
• 6:53
  you
• 6:54
  get
• 6:54
  D
• 6:54
  D?
• 6:55
  You
• 6:55
  know,
• 6:55
  I
• 6:55
  know
• 6:55
  a
• 6:55
  guy
• 6:56
  and
• 6:56
  you're
• 6:56
  the
• 6:56
  guy
• 6:56
  that
• 6:57
  they
• 6:57
  will
• 6:57
  refer
• 6:57
  you
• 6:57
  to.
• 6:58
  And
• 6:58
  it's
• 6:58
  that
• 6:59
  those
• 6:59
  little,
• 7:00
  little
• 7:00
  things,
• 7:01
  they
• 7:01
  all
• 7:01
  go
• 7:01
  together
• 7:02
  really,
• 7:02
  really
• 7:02
  add
• 7:02
  up.
• 7:03
  There's
• 7:03
  something
• 7:03
  we
• 7:03
  could
• 7:04
  go
• 7:04
  on,
• 7:04
  we
• 7:04
  could
• 7:04
  do.
• 7:05
  We
• 7:05
  could
• 7:05
  do
• 7:05
  a
• 7:05
  whole
• 7:06
  seminar
• 7:06
  on
• 7:07
  do's
• 7:07
  and
• 7:07
  don'ts
• 7:07
  of
• 7:08
  we
• 7:08
  probably
• 7:10
  yourself
• 7:10
  in
• 7:10
  the
• 7:11
  industry.
• 7:11
  It's
• 7:11
  so
• 7:12
  true,
• 7:12
  man.
• 7:13
  And,
• 7:14
  and
• 7:14
  it's
• 7:14
  an
• 7:14
  ever
• 7:14
  evolving,
• 7:15
  changing
• 7:15
  industry
• 7:16
  too.
• 7:16
  So
• 7:17
  that
• 7:17
  would
• 7:17
  be
• 7:17
  an
• 7:18
  interesting
• 7:18
  one.
• 7:18
  We
• 7:18
  should
• 7:18
  definitely,
• 7:19
  not
• 7:20
  necessarily
• 7:20
  put
• 7:20
  a
• 7:20
  pin
• 7:21
  in
• 7:21
  this,
• 7:21
  but
• 7:21
  we
• 7:21
  should
• 7:22
  definitely
• 7:22
  continue
• 7:22
  that
• 7:23
  conversation
• 7:23
  and
• 7:23
  maybe
• 7:25
  expand
• 7:25
  it
• 7:25
  to
• 7:25
  something
• 7:26
  that
• 7:26
  we
• 7:26
  can
• 7:27
  share
• 7:27
  on
• 7:27
  different
• 7:28
  platforms.
• 7:28
  There's
• 7:29
  a
• 7:29
  lot.