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Top Twenty UFO Encounters in Arizona: Part Two · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, my name is Preston Dennett and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs in the Paranormal. This is
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  Speaker 1: actually part two of a two-part episode I call the
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  Speaker 1: Top 20 UFO Cases in Arizona. In part one, I
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  Speaker 1: presented case number 20 all the way to 11. And
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  Speaker 1: here in part two, I'm going to present the top
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  Speaker 1: 10 cases. And as I said in part one, these
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  Speaker 1: are the most influential cases cases that have received a
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  Speaker 1: lot of publicity, cases that have unique and interesting elements. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: the best cases, the cases that have had a really
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  Speaker 1: profound influence on how we perceive and understand the UFO phenomenon.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do a countdown from case number 10
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  Speaker 1: all the way to number 1. And again, another researcher
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  Speaker 1: would probably have come up with a different list. It
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  Speaker 1: was very hard to choose between so many encounters, but
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  Speaker 1: these are the ones I came up with. And I
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  Speaker 1: think you'll find them quite interesting. I certainly hope so.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get started. For case number 10, I chose
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  Speaker 1: the UFO abduction of Brian Allen Scott. This is not
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  Speaker 1: a very well-known case, although there is a full-length book
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  Speaker 1: on this case. And it's quite unusual with some very
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  Speaker 1: interesting elements, some good evidence, and I think you'll find
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  Speaker 1: it very interesting. Brian Allen Scott was born on October 12,
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  Speaker 1: 1943 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And as he grew up, he
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  Speaker 1: started to have a number of unusual experiences. At age 16,
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  Speaker 1: for example, he was walking outside his home when a
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  Speaker 1: small orange ball of light dropped from the sky and
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  Speaker 1: hovered right next to him and darted right back up.
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  Speaker 1: And this happened several times, but his major alien experiences
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  Speaker 1: didn't really begin until he moved to Arizona. He was
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  Speaker 1: 28 years old, March 14, 1971, and he had gone
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  Speaker 1: out with his friend, Nick Corbin, to the Apache Junction
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  Speaker 1: area in the wilderness of the Superstition Mountains to go
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  Speaker 1: target shooting. And suddenly a UFO showed up, a glowing
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  Speaker 1: oval-shaped object hovered overhead. And the next thing Brian knows,
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  Speaker 1: he is being pulled up into this craft. A doorway opened.
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  Speaker 1: He's pulled inside and sat down inside a corridor. He
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  Speaker 1: said the inside of this object was warm, musty, and
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  Speaker 1: brightly lit with a strange foggy light. Next thing he knows,
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  Speaker 1: his friend Nick is being pulled through the same doorway
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  Speaker 1: and deposited right beside him. Both men felt numb, unable
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  Speaker 1: to speak, when two seven-and-a-half-foot-tall gray-skinned figures came through another
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  Speaker 1: doorway and began to undress them. Nick became frightened, tried
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  Speaker 1: to resist, and he passed out and was taken out
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  Speaker 1: of Brian's view. Brian says he felt little fear, but
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  Speaker 1: he was unable to resist as this figure led him
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  Speaker 1: to another room, where there was yet another figure. And
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  Speaker 1: this second figure was manipulating a strange alien instrument, which
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  Speaker 1: emitted a beam of light, striking Brian's body. He felt numb,
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  Speaker 1: and it says it gave him a headache. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: an even taller being entered the room and placed its
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  Speaker 1: hand on Brian's head and proceeded to communicate. And this
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  Speaker 1: being said his name was Voltar, and began showing Brian
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  Speaker 1: images of its home planet, which he said had been
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  Speaker 1: destroyed by a mutated virus. At this point, Brian and
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  Speaker 1: his friend Nick were then put back into the corridor
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  Speaker 1: where they had first arrived, and then floated gently down
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  Speaker 1: to the ground. The UFO darted away, and they returned
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  Speaker 1: to their car. It was now past 11 p.m., so
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  Speaker 1: this experience had taken at least two hours. And at
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  Speaker 1: this point, Brian could still remember everything that happened. But
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  Speaker 1: as they drove away, his memory instantly faded. By the
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  Speaker 1: time he got home, the only thing he could recall
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  Speaker 1: was seeing this strange craft and everything else was shrouded
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  Speaker 1: in missing time. Two years later, on March 22, 1973,
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  Speaker 1: he returned to the site of this UFO event and
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  Speaker 1: he saw a small humanoid entity. It freaked him out
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  Speaker 1: and he fled the scene. And following this, he had
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  Speaker 1: a series of missing time abductions, one on October 25, 1973,
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  Speaker 1: another two years later on November 21, 1975, and December 22, 1975.
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  Speaker 1: And in that last one, he was missing for over
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  Speaker 1: a day, for 27 hours. So he realized what was
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  Speaker 1: happening at this point, and he sought out a UFO
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  Speaker 1: investigator His case generated quite a bit of interest, and
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  Speaker 1: researchers from APRO, QFOS, and MUFON converged and began to investigate.
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  Speaker 1: Brian eventually went under regressive hypnosis and was able to
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  Speaker 1: recall what had happened during his first abduction. And this
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  Speaker 1: is when things got really weird. He began to fall
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  Speaker 1: into trances, during which he would make strange drawings, or
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  Speaker 1: channel alleged alien entities. At the same time, numerous small
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  Speaker 1: balls of light were often seen around him, and this
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  Speaker 1: was verified by his ex-wife and several investigators. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: there were so many experiences like this that his ex-wife
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  Speaker 1: had to be hospitalized because of panic and hysteria. This
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  Speaker 1: happened on several occasions. Brian also began to exhibit the
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  Speaker 1: ability of spoon bending, bending metal. This usually happened when
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  Speaker 1: he lapsed into a trance. And there were all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of other strange phenomena. Mysterious drops of water would materialize
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  Speaker 1: over his head. Once he materialized an ancient Greek gold coin,
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  Speaker 1: whose authenticity was later confirmed by numismatists. Researcher Bill Hamilton
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  Speaker 1: personally interviewed Brian and saw him perform spoon bending. He
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  Speaker 1: sat in on Brian's channeling sessions. Brian's voice was recorded
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  Speaker 1: during some of these channeling sessions and electronic analysis showed
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  Speaker 1: that it was different from Brian's normal voice. The information
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  Speaker 1: given during these sessions typically involved very deep subjects such
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  Speaker 1: as binary and trinary computer mathematics, genetics and cloning, orbital mechanics, astronomy, electromagnetics,
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  Speaker 1: quantum physics, and more. So all kinds of weird stuff
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  Speaker 1: happened to Brian. He began having precognition, actually gave some
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  Speaker 1: prophecies that turned out to be accurate. It's quite a
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  Speaker 1: long story, too complex to really tell in its totality here.
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  Speaker 1: There is a full-length book on his case written by
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  Speaker 1: James Frazier It's called Transformation of a Common Man, The
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  Speaker 1: Brian Scott Story. It's really an incredible story of UFO
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  Speaker 1: abduction with all sorts of really good evidence and strange
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  Speaker 1: elements to it, and that's why I gave it the
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  Speaker 1: number 10 spot on this list. Now we move to
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  Speaker 1: case number 9. For number 9, I chose UFO Sighting
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  Speaker 1: at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base. This occurred on May 1, 1952.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very interesting multiple witness sighting that caused quite
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  Speaker 1: a shakeup at high levels within our Air Force. And
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  Speaker 1: that's why I gave it space number nine on this list.
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  Speaker 1: Jayon Hynek says of this case, and I quote, this
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  Speaker 1: case is a classic. And in fact, it really shook
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  Speaker 1: up the Air Force at high levels. This was, again,
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  Speaker 1: on May 1, 1952, and on that day, Air Force
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  Speaker 1: intelligence officer Major Rudolph Pestalozzi was standing at the steps
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  Speaker 1: of the base hospital at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base when
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  Speaker 1: he and another airman saw two round metallic objects approach
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  Speaker 1: a B-36 plane, which was flying directly over the base.
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  Speaker 1: The two objects raced forward at about four times the
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  Speaker 1: speed of the B-36, then slowed down and took formation
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  Speaker 1: around it. One object flew about 20 feet behind the
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  Speaker 1: port side, while the other flew between the right engine
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  Speaker 1: and the leading edge of the tail, so right next
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  Speaker 1: to this B-36. And for the next five minutes, these
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  Speaker 1: two objects paced the aircraft, then suddenly took off. One
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  Speaker 1: took off first, and then the other disc stopped, hovered,
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  Speaker 1: and followed the other. Thoroughly shaken up, the crew of
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  Speaker 1: the B-36 requested permission to make an immediate landing at Davis-Monthan.
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  Speaker 1: Permission was, of course, granted, and Major Pestalozzi, as the
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  Speaker 1: intelligence officer, interrogated the crew of the B-54 and learned
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  Speaker 1: that all ten men aboard had closely observed both objects,
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  Speaker 1: which they said had a convex top and bottom, were
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  Speaker 1: about 25 feet in diameter and about 12 feet thick.
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  Speaker 1: The plane suffered no malfunctions, but Major Pestalozzi was impressed
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  Speaker 1: by this sighting, which he himself witnessed, and he prepared
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  Speaker 1: a file about the incident, which he called, quote, the
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  Speaker 1: thickest report I'd ever filed on a UFO. So the
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  Speaker 1: Air Force was, of course, notified, and J. Allen Hynek
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  Speaker 1: was called in to investigate the case, and he labeled
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  Speaker 1: it unidentified. Unfortunately, Blue Book officials did not agree. And
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  Speaker 1: as J. Allen Hynek writes, and I quote, despite the
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  Speaker 1: detailed description of the maneuvers of two shiny silver objects,
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  Speaker 1: Blue Book dismissed this case as aircraft. Years later, in 1966, Dr.
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  Speaker 1: James McDonald heard about this case and decided to investigate.
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  Speaker 1: He contacted Project Blue Book, and he learned that the
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  Speaker 1: files were actually missing. They could not find them, they said. So,
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  Speaker 1: unable to get any cooperation from Blue Book officers, Dr.
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  Speaker 1: McDonald contacted the witnesses himself. He did a big investigation
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  Speaker 1: and then sent Blue Book a letter. He sent it
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  Speaker 1: to Major Hector Quintanilla, the head of Project Blue Book,
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  Speaker 1: detailing the details of his investigation and everything he had learned.
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  Speaker 1: And as Hynek writes, and I quote, I recall that
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  Speaker 1: at that time, Dr. McDonald was regarded by Blue Book
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  Speaker 1: personnel as an outstanding nuisance. This was partly because he
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  Speaker 1: was interested in a scientific study of the true UFOs,
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  Speaker 1: and partly because he was so outspoken. He spoke his
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  Speaker 1: mind forcefully and didn't hesitate to criticize Blue Book methods
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  Speaker 1: whenever possible. It is due to the industry and perseverance
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  Speaker 1: of Dr. James McDonald that this excellent case was resurrected
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  Speaker 1: at all. Here's a very interesting end note about this case.
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  Speaker 1: Major Rudolph Pestalozzi was apparently a UFO contactee and he later,
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  Speaker 1: following this case, said that he was actually in telepathic
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  Speaker 1: contact with ETs and receiving messages from them and in
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  Speaker 1: fact he published a book of his channeled messages which
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  Speaker 1: he called letters to you from Baloran so as you
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  Speaker 1: can see it's a very interesting case and that's why
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  Speaker 1: I gave it number nine on this list so that's
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  Speaker 1: number nine now we move to number eight for number
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  Speaker 1: eight I chose Walt Andrus sees a UFO. This is
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  Speaker 1: a very interesting multiple witness daylight sighting involving a trained observer,
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  Speaker 1: and it ended up having a really, really profound impact
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  Speaker 1: on the UFO field, which is why I gave it
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  Speaker 1: this number 8 slot on this list, and I believe
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  Speaker 1: you'll find it really interesting. On August 15, 1948, Walt Andrus,
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  Speaker 1: who was a graduate of the U.S. Navy Electronics Technician Program,
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  Speaker 1: a pilot and amateur radio operator, was with his wife
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  Speaker 1: and son in downtown Phoenix when they all saw four
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  Speaker 1: daylight disks flying in formation overhead. Walt Andrus first noticed
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  Speaker 1: the disks after his five-year-old son shouted out, Daddy, look,
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  Speaker 1: silver balloons. He looked up and couldn't believe his eyes
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  Speaker 1: as he says, Four round dull silver objects were floating
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  Speaker 1: slowly in the northwest at an angle of 45 degrees
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  Speaker 1: above the horizon, moving straight west. Three were flying in
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  Speaker 1: geometric formation, while the fourth was lower and considerably behind
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  Speaker 1: the first. Everyone on our side of the street stopped
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  Speaker 1: to watch these objects as we followed them across the sky.
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  Speaker 1: Moving directly west, the objects arrived at a point nearly
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  Speaker 1: straight north of us when the lead object disappeared in
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  Speaker 1: the clear sky. Shortly after that, the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: objects followed, disappearing in the same spot. Walt Andrus was
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  Speaker 1: also a weather observer. He would release weather balloons on
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  Speaker 1: a near daily basis. and he's absolutely positive that these
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  Speaker 1: objects were not balloons. So they continued to watch the sky,
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  Speaker 1: and to their surprise, three of these objects reappeared in
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  Speaker 1: the distance, still flying in formation. They were visible for
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  Speaker 1: only a few seconds before darting away, but it was
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  Speaker 1: long enough for Walt Andrus to see that these were circular, thin,
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  Speaker 1: disk-like objects. As he says, and I quote, you'll remember
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  Speaker 1: it vividly. It makes an impression on your mind that
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  Speaker 1: you never wipe out. So he was stunned. This led
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  Speaker 1: to a lifelong interest in UFOs and inspired him to
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  Speaker 1: join APRO. And then 20 years later, in 1967, he
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  Speaker 1: became one of the founding members of MUFON, the Mutual
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  Speaker 1: UFO Network, and in fact headed the organization for many
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  Speaker 1: years and was editor of the MUFON Journal. So you
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  Speaker 1: can see how important this case was and what an
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  Speaker 1: impact it had on the UFO field. We now move
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  Speaker 1: to number seven. And for case number seven, I chose
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  Speaker 1: the UFO research of Dr. James McDonald. Dr. James McDonald
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  Speaker 1: was an atmospheric physicist at the University of Arizona and
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  Speaker 1: one of the first scientists to really Dig into UFO research.
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  Speaker 1: He had a profound impact on the field, and that's
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  Speaker 1: why I gave him the number 7 slot on this list.
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  Speaker 1: The impact of Dr. James McDonald cannot be underestimated, in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion. He was born on May 7, 1920, and
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  Speaker 1: first became interested in UFOs following a sighting. But let
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  Speaker 1: me first just give a quote from Dr. James McDonald,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is a really interesting quote.
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  Speaker 2: As Dr.
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  Speaker 1: James McDonald says, the type of UFO reports that are
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  Speaker 1: most intriguing are close-range sightings of machine-like objects of unconventional
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  Speaker 1: nature and unconventional performance characteristics seen at low altitudes and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes even on the ground. the general public is unaware
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  Speaker 1: of the large number of such reports from credible witnesses.
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  Speaker 1: When one starts searching for such cases, their numbers are
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  Speaker 1: quite astonishing. So as I said, Dr. James McDonald first
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  Speaker 1: became interested in UFOs following a sighting. He was 34
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  Speaker 1: years old, it was 1954, and he was driving through
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  Speaker 1: the Arizona desert with two other meteorologists when he spotted
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  Speaker 1: an unidentified flying object they all looked up none of
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  Speaker 1: them men could identify this object it was just a
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  Speaker 1: distant point of light in the sky but it was
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  Speaker 1: absolutely unexplainable to them and this is what brought dr.
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  Speaker 1: James MacDonald into the field of ufology by the late
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  Speaker 1: 1950s he began quietly investigating UFO reports, not only in Arizona,
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  Speaker 1: but across the United States. He joined various UFO groups,
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  Speaker 1: and given his training in atmospheric physics, he was able
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  Speaker 1: to bring his scientific knowledge to study these reports and
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  Speaker 1: explain some of them that had been inexplicable. Dr. McDonald
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  Speaker 1: also had a security clearance with the US government, And
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  Speaker 1: so he was able to look at a number of
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  Speaker 1: UFO reports from Project Blue Book and was surprised to
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  Speaker 1: find how many of them were absolutely unexplained. And he
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  Speaker 1: ended up investigating hundreds of cases. And I'd like to
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  Speaker 1: just quote one really interesting case of a UFO landing
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  Speaker 1: that he was never able to explain. This occurred on
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  Speaker 1: the evening of October 9, 1967. when a 13-year-old boy
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  Speaker 1: by the name of Richard, who was the son of
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  Speaker 1: a prominent businessman in the area, he was riding his
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  Speaker 1: bike around the neighborhood when he came upon an 8-foot-tall
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  Speaker 1: metallic cylindrical-shaped object resting on the ground about 50 feet away.
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  Speaker 1: This object stood on two legs, each of which ended
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  Speaker 1: on a large circular pad, and wondering what this thing was,
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  Speaker 1: Richard moved closer and got to about 35 feet distance
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  Speaker 1: when suddenly this object made a deep, low-pitched hum and
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  Speaker 1: took off straight upwards, disappearing into the night sky. So
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  Speaker 1: Richard approached the area where this object had landed and
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  Speaker 1: saw deep imprints in the soil.
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  Speaker 2: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: James McDonald heard about the case and was able to investigate.
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  Speaker 1: He photographed and examined the landing traces and and determined
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  Speaker 1: that these two landing pads were 42 inches apart and 13.4
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  Speaker 1: inches wide and were made in hard, packed soil. So
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  Speaker 1: whatever this object was, it was quite heavy. He was
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  Speaker 1: very much impressed by this case, so he contacted Air
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  Speaker 1: Force officials at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base and told them
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  Speaker 1: about this incident. Blue Book Air Force personnel came in
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  Speaker 1: and conducted an investigation. And later, Air Force Colonel Raymond
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  Speaker 1: Sleeper wrote a 60-page report on the case, finally labeling
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  Speaker 1: it a hoax. This shocked Dr. McDonald, who absolutely disagreed
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  Speaker 1: and believed that the boy had seen a genuine UFO.
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  Speaker 1: Jim and Cora Lorenzen also investigated the case and agreed
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  Speaker 1: with Dr. James McDonald. So this just goes to show
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  Speaker 1: that how Project Blue Book was not a true investigative body.
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  Speaker 1: And Dr. James McDonald became very vocal in this field
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  Speaker 1: at this point. He criticized Project Blue Book, and he
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  Speaker 1: also criticized Dr. J. Allen Hynek for not being more
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  Speaker 1: assertive and vocal about UFO cases. He was highly critical
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  Speaker 1: of the U.S. government's handling of this subject, and critical
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  Speaker 1: of other mainstream scientists' refusal to take this subject seriously.
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  Speaker 1: And so many cases would have gone unrecorded if not
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  Speaker 1: for James McDonald. He really brought a lot of science
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  Speaker 1: and credibility to this subject that was sorely lacking. He
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  Speaker 1: was really the only, or one of very few, mainstream
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  Speaker 1: scientists who was openly investigating UFO reports at this time.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, his impact was so influential that researcher
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  Speaker 1: Ann Druffle wrote a book about James McDonald's investigations and
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  Speaker 1: his life. The book is called Firestorm, and it shows
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  Speaker 1: what a crucial and integral role James McDonald played in
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  Speaker 1: the UFO field. Unfortunately, he died on June 13, 1971.
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  Speaker 1: But again, Dr. James McDonald's impact on this field is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely phenomenal, and that's why I gave him spot number
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  Speaker 1: seven on this list. So that's number seven, and as
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  Speaker 1: you can see, he did have a really big impact
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  Speaker 1: on this field. Probably even more influential is what I
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  Speaker 1: chose for number six, which is the UFO research of
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  Speaker 1: Jim and Coral Lorenzen. They were the founders of APRO,
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  Speaker 1: the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization, which was the first citizen
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  Speaker 1: UFO group. It's quite a story. Definitely deserves a spot
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  Speaker 1: on this list, which is why I gave it number six.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Lorenzen was born in 1922, and Cora Lorenzen was
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  Speaker 1: born three years later in 1925. And Cora Lorenzen saw
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  Speaker 1: her first UFO at age nine in Wisconsin. It was
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  Speaker 1: quite a famous, well-publicized event. And this is what sparked
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  Speaker 1: her interest in UFOs. But it wasn't until years later,
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  Speaker 1: in fact on June 10, 1947, when Coral Lorenzen had
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  Speaker 1: another major UFO sighting. It was 11 p.m. She stepped
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  Speaker 1: out on her porch when she saw a glow forming
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  Speaker 1: to the south. It increased in brightness and became a
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  Speaker 1: ball of light which zipped upwards at high speed until disappearing.
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  Speaker 1: And she had seen balloons and missile launches and had
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  Speaker 1: never seen anything like this. And she says, and I quote,
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  Speaker 1: So this sighting really intrigued her, and this was the
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  Speaker 1: event that inspired her to form the group APRO, the
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  Speaker 1: Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization. And this is the first citizen
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  Speaker 1: UFO study group, the first group of its kind of
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  Speaker 1: any influence. And they formed it in 1952, and it
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  Speaker 1: quickly became very popular. They had thousands of members. They
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  Speaker 1: had investigators from all across the U.S. and the world.
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  Speaker 1: They started issuing a monthly newsletter and just had an
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: enormous impact on this field. They really were the ones
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: who popularized the subject of UFOs. They put out a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: series of very well-received books. And in fact, they were
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the first to recognize the phenomena of missing time. They
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: were among the first to recognize humanoid reports. So they
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: were true pioneers in this field. And it turns out
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: our own government was very, very interested in what was
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: going on with APRO. And just one year after APRO
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: had been formed, the Lorenzans discovered that they were being
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: spied on by the U.S. government. One summer day in 1953, Lorenzans,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Coral was at her home when two men drove up, stopped,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and knocked on the door, claiming to be paint contractors
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and wanting to paint the house. Coral informed these two
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: men that they were actually renters, and the painters then
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: tried to engage Coral in casual conversation and get her
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: to talk about APRO, which she thought was strange. They
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: then returned to their car and drove off, and she
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: noticed they didn't stop at anyone else's house, which she
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: thought was strange. If they were truly painters, why did
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: they not stop at other people's homes? So she told
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: her husband Jim, and later they shared the story with
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: other people in APRO and made a shocking discovery. As
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: it turned out, the treasurer of APRO and the secretary
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: of APRO both reported that they were visited by apparently
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the same two mysterious gentlemen, and in both cases, these
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: gentlemen seemed more interested in talking about APRO than about
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: obtaining a contract to do painting. So that was weird.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And after that, they found out that one of their
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: UFO field investigators was actually a CIA agent. So this
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: really shook them up. And they started looking into this.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And Jim Lorenzen actually discovered that the government was, in fact,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: very interested in their research. As Jim Lorenzen writes, An
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: associate of Ms. Lorenzen, whose husband worked in the OSI,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: the Office of Special Investigations, told her that the local
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: office had a sizable dossier on APRO and the Lorenzens.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: The government, while claiming that UFOs weren't real, was actually
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: very interested in what APRO was doing. APRO said, remained
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: very active in this field for more than 35 years,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: though around 1969, the membership of APRO began to decline
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: because there was a new group, the Mutual UFO Network.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: But they absolutely changed the face of UFO research. They
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: provided the model, really, for all other UFO groups, and
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: APRO remained active until their death. Jim Lorenzen died in 1986,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and Coral died two years later. But their influence on
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: this field was absolutely phenomenal. And now we get to
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the top five. This was not an easy choice, but
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: for number five, I chose the UFO Encounters Over Arizona Mines.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: There are more than a dozen of these types of
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: cases in which UFOs hover over various mines. Arizona has
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: more of these types of encounters than any other state
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I could find. It's had a very profound influence on
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the field. It provides some very interesting insights, I think,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: into the ET agenda. And that's why I gave it
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: slot number five on this list. Arizona, as it turns out,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: is the leading producer of copper in the United States.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And there are more than a dozen cases of UFOs
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: hovering over mines. This is more than any other state.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: It's clear that this is an agenda. These cases are
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: really uniquely Arizonan. And so many cases involving not only sightings,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: but landings, and humanoids. So this is a really interesting
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: aspect of Arizona UFO encounters. So let's just get into
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: some of these amazing cases. One occurred on March 6, 1980,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: in Warren, Arizona, when witnesses saw a disc hovering over
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the mine tailings in this mine at Warren, Arizona. This
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: disc turned on its edge, flew to the south, and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: was gone. The entire sighting lasted eight minutes, and it
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: was clear to the witnesses that this object was interested
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: in the mines. Another very interesting case occurred at the
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Green Valley Copper Mine. This was on August.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: 20th 1988 a married couple were driving near their home
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: which is right by the mine this is an abandoned
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: mine and they saw this glowing red and yellow cylinder
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: hovering above the mine tailings And the moment they saw it,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: this object began to move back and forth, getting closer
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: and then farther away, appearing and disappearing, when suddenly it
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: zoomed towards them and was only 50 feet away.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: So they got a very good view of it and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: could see that it was thin and tall, like a tower,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: they said, and was glowing with a neon-type light. Both
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: witnesses felt it was almost alive. It impressed them so
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: much that they reported it to MUFON. So many cases.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Here's one that occurred on December 28, 2001 at a
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: gold mine near Tucson. There's a gentleman whose name is Barry,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and I'll just quote Barry directly. As Barry says, I
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: am a regular guy. I am a four-year veteran of
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the Army. I have an associate's degree in structural engineering
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and an advanced degree in heavy equipment operation. So he
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: was working at this a site next to this gold
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: mine in Tucson, working on the night shift using a
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: track hoe to feed an incinerator. He had a coworker
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: with him who was a retired special forces major. And
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: as they're working, suddenly this immense craft, which they described
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: as about a mile long, covered with weird lights, appeared
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: over this gold mine nearby. and this really impressed barry
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and as barry says and i quote my esteemed colleague
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: got a deathly white sheen to his face and would
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: not come out of his personal jeep he was scared
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and he was babbling like a child me i turned
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the track hoe to face it the ufo and kept
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: flicking my daylighters in the hope that they could come
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and see who was behind those lights i felt at
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: ease no panic you see I felt as though these
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: were my friends, like we had met before. This object
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: began to disappear and reappear, but as Barry says, it was, quote,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: never too far from this gold mine it was hovering over. Finally,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: it moved off and was gone. The very next night,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: two military attack Cobra helicopters hovered.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Over the site.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And when they remained for over an hour, Barry turned
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: on the floodlights. At that point, the helicopters circled the
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: site and headed directly towards that gold mine, Barry says.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: And apparently they were interested in this sighting that had
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: occurred the day before. Two weeks later, Barry's co-worker, the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: special forces major, quit and made it very clear to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Barry that he never wanted to talk about what happened.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Barry was very impressed and reported this setting to New
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Fork just a short time later. And here's another case.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: June 14, 1953. This occurred at the Open Pit Copper
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Mine in Silver Bell, Arizona. Around sundown, a group of
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: rodeo cowboys observed a huge globe-shaped object hovering over this
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Open Pit Mine. They first thought it was a balloon.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: but decided that no, it wasn't because it was hovering
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: in place. It was aluminum in appearance and quite large,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: about 100 feet wide. Finally, it began to move. It
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: moved over copper buttes and hovered there, then streaked away
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: very quickly, turning a deep blue-green. Then it slowed down
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and stopped over nearby Elroy and at this point resumed
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: its metallic appearance. Some of the witnesses got out their
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: binoculars and observed it, and suddenly this object winked out.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: But again, all of them were impressed that this object
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: was very interested in the open-pit copper mine at Silver Bell.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Another case occurred at Page, Arizona, at the Zantelli Western
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Mining Company. This occurred on the evening of June 3, 1964.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: And one of the witnesses was the foreman of the mine,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a gentleman by the name of Edward Coyle, who said
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: he saw a reddish, glowing, egg-shaped object about 500 to 1,000
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: feet over the mine. He watched it for just a
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: few moments when it started to move off to the northwest.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: He notified the owners of the mine, Pat and June Patterson,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And it turned out later that night, there was another witness.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Frank Howard, the night watchman of the mine, saw the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: same or another similar object moving off to the south
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: of the mine. So there's another case of these UFOs
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: investigating these mines. And here's another interesting series of events
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: in which UFOs visited the same area on at least
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: three separate occasions over a period of decades. This is
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: near the mines in Pima, Arizona. The first case occurred
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: just after midnight on July 22, 1971, when an anonymous
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: witness saw a flat disc with a teardrop-shaped tail and
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: a bluish glowing light around its exterior. He estimated it
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: was moving at about 45 mph over the waste dumps
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: of the mine in Pima. This is 30 miles south
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: of Tucson. As he watched, this craft rocked back and forth,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: was clearly under intelligent control. He watched it dart at
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: right angles and finally zip away. And he admits he
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: actually saw this UFO on another occasion a few days earlier.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: And he was absolutely convinced it was coming to investigate
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: this mine. Another case occurred today. About nine years later,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: in November of 1980, the witness was George Parks, who
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: worked the night shift at the BHP copper mines in
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: San Manuel. And driving home from work one evening, he
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: had an amazing, very close-up UFO sighting. And I'll just
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: quote George directly, as he says, Coming around the bend
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: at Oracle Junction, I saw a metallic craft hovering not
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: far from the road, and I saw seven windows. Behind
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: every window stood a figure, and an instant later it
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: flew off. So it turns out George Parks was in
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the military for more than 20 years, and he says
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: he never saw anything like that in all his time
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: in the military. This sighting inspired him to join MUFON,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and he became a field investigator in And before long,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: he became the Pima County Section Director for MUFON and
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: later the MUFON Arizona State Director. So this really changed
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: his life. And as he says, and I quote, I'm
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: still looking for answers. And it was some 37 years
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: later when there was yet another sighting over this same area.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: This next sighting occurred on August 29, 2017. And it's
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: a very interesting sighting because the witness was in a
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: jet flying from San Diego, California to Atlanta, Georgia and
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: was flying over Arizona at about 35,000 feet. And he's
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: looking down through the window and he could see the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: open pit copper mine in Pima, Arizona. And as he says,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and I quote, I noticed a disc at low altitude
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: near the mine. It was a saucer-shaped disc. It stood
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: out in the terrain, just hovering. So many cases, I'm
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: telling you. The UFOs are absolutely interested in these mines.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: There are two cases which occurred at the Lavender Pit
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: copper mine. The first one occurred quite some time ago
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: on June 27, 1947. This is just about one week
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: before the very famous Roswell UFO crash. The main witness
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: is John Petsch. He's an electrician employed at the Phelps
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Dodge copper mine in Bisbee, Arizona. He and two other
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: workers said they saw a silver, mirror-like disk. And it
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: was silent, wobbling, and just moved slowly overhead. Meanwhile, a
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: mile and a half away, three other mine employees, including
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: John Rylance, Mr. L.W. Maxwell, and Milton Luna, saw this
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: same object moving lower and lower until it actually landed
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: on this little hill at the mine. The gang boss
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: for the mine crew, his name is Vernon C. McMinn,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: said that other people at the mine had also observed
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the object and described the same thing these other witnesses
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: had seen. And there were more witnesses to this event.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: There was a gentleman by the name of Major George B. Wilcox.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: He was a U.S. Army officer, and he says he
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: observed eight or nine light-colored disc-shaped craft moving at low
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: elevation over the Bisbee area at the same time of
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: this mine sighting. He said the objects were evenly spaced
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: in single file and moved with a dipping, rocking motion.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: And it was many years later, in the 1980s, when
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: this same mine was visited again. The anonymous witness was
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: a former rocket scientist who worked as a telemetry collector
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and analyst for the NSA. At this time, he was
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: at a gas station next to the Lavender Pit copper
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: mine in Bisbee when this metallic oblate spheroid object about
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: 100 feet in diameter hovered 250 feet overhead. He said
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: it was silent except for a low humming noise. He
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: turned to the gas station owner and said, do you
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: see that? And the gas station owner replied, I sure do.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: He said it was so low he had the impulse
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: to throw a rock at it, but decided that probably
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't a good idea. Both witnesses felt they were being
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: observed by the UFO occupants, and they weren't the only witnesses.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Cars were driving by. They would slow down, look at it,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: and then speed off. As the witness says, nobody stopped,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: although they could be seen leaning down and forward briefly
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to get a better look. So they watched this for
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: several moments, at which point the object moved directly over
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the mine itself, then accelerated to the west toward the
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Queen Mine at Bisbee. At this point, jet fighters appeared,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: obviously chasing this object. They were only a few hundred
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: feet high, and as the witness says, Our government knows
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: about these things. Who's kidding who here? Probably the most
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: amazing series of events like this occurred at the Marenzi
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: copper smelting plants. One amazing case occurred on October 23, 1980,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: when five men at the Marenzi plant observed a large,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: dull black boomerang-shaped object approaching the smokestacks of the Morenci
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: copper smelting plant. This object hovered over the smokestacks and
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: actually began sending down a brilliant beam of light into
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: each smokestack. And then one of them dropped a small
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: fireball or a probe into one of the smokestacks. One
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: of the men, his name was Joe Nevarez, made a
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: mental wish asking for this object to return so he
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: could get better look at it and it did it
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: pulled a quick u-turn and hovered much closer so they
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: all got a better look at it and off it
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: moved off into the distance so this incident got a
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: lot of publicity it was investigated by the International Center
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: for UFO research a small UFO group located in Scottsdale
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: and they said that throughout the 1980s a huge boomerang
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: shaped object described as nearly a half mile wide, would
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: appear repeatedly over Marinci. Marinci is a little mining town.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: And on a few occasions, this object was witnessed by
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: literally hundreds of people. For example, more than a hundred
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: students at the Marinci High School observed this object and
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: described it as being several football fields in size. And
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: there's another case involving a humanoid at the Marinci copper mine.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: This occurred on August 11, 2017, not too long ago.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: And I will just quote a friend of the witness.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: As this anonymous gentleman says, and I quote, At work
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: in a copper mine in Morenci, Arizona, a friend of
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: mine saw this bright light through the window. He went
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: outside and took a picture. A few days later, while
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: showing the picture to a friend, it was enlarged and
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: you could make out a small human-like figure on the
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: left side of the glowing object. The fence in the
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: picture is about six feet high. And according to the witness,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: behind this fence, there is a slope which drops down
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to around 100 feet. So it's a difficult area to cross.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: so apparently they did not notice this humanoid figure and
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: you can make of it what you will but it's
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: definitely a very interesting report and yet another encounter over
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: these copper mines in Arizona and now we move to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: number 4 for number 4 I chose the UFO hotspot
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: of Sedona There are many hot spots all across the
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: United States, and Sedona is definitely one of the most
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: active areas in the United States, if not on this
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: entire planet. The number of encounters coming out of here
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: is phenomenal. So that's why I gave it the number
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: four slot on this list. I'm not going to be
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: able to tell you all the encounters that have happened there.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: There's far too many, but I would like to give
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: you a little bit of a rundown of some of
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: the more interesting sightings, landings, some abduction cases, some photographic cases.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just incredible what's going on at Sedona.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: So that's why I gave it the number four spot
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: on this list. Sedona is very easily the most active
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: area in all of Arizona. And there have been literally
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: hundreds of cases of not only sightings, but landings, face-to-face encounters, abductions.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, you name it. It's happened in Sedona. It
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: would be impossible to cover all the cases that have
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: gone on there. So I would like to cover just
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: a small selection of some of the sightings, landings, and
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: abductions that have taken place there. And lots of photographs, too.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: In 1986, there was a huge wave of sightings. And
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: some of these were really interesting accounts. For example... On
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: May 11, 1986, a minister and private pilot by the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: name of Robert Henderson was flying with his wife in
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a Cessna, and they were over Verde Valley in Sedona
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: when they saw a bright flash of light ahead of them,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: and it quickly approached their plane on what he thought
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: was a collision course, and he was just getting prepared
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: to take evasive action when this object, which he said
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: was a half-sphere object, with the flat side down, passed
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: at very high speeds to the left of his plane
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: and darted off. Another very interesting case that occurred during
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: this wave involved a woman who lived in Sedona, and
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: she was preparing dinner one evening when suddenly there was
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: a huge bright light which illuminated the interior of her
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: house and all the area outside of it. She ran
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: outside and saw this huge disc-shaped object, larger than her house,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: moving only a few hundred feet overhead. It moved slowly
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: up a nearby canyon and then disappeared. Another really interesting
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: case involves a gentleman by the name of Stan, who
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: said during and throughout 1986, he saw this red and
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: white object hovering over his home in the Loy Butte area,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: and usually it was some distance off. but one evening
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: it flew directly toward him and stopped very low overhead
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: and looking up he could see that the red part
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: of the UFO was actually a spherical light attached underneath
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it and at this point the red light detached swooped
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: down and circled several times over his home as though
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: probing it and then this light darted back upwards attached
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: to the larger white object and both promptly flew off
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and away to the west. Again in 1986, a father
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: and son were hiking on Airport Mesa in Sedona when
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: they saw a large silver-shaped object hovering between the thunderclouds overhead.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: They watched it for 10 minutes. It was perfectly stationary
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and then became lost in the clouds. So many cases.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Another really interesting case occurred to a a Cottonwood resident
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: who was driving over the Mingus Mountains in Sedona when
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: she saw a group of glowing orange spheres of light
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: moving in procession. And then seconds later, she saw three
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: military helicopters chasing these objects. It was a short sighting,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: but once again betrays our government's interest in these UFOs.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Another case. during this 1986 wave occurred on December 19
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: when a family in Sedona was driving near Doe Mountain
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and they saw what they first thought was a helicopter
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: but it turned out it wasn't. It was a brilliant
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: sphere of light emitting a rainbow array of prismatic colors
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and as they watched this thing rocketed straight upwards until
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: it was a tiny point of light way high up
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: there and disappeared into the clouds. Another 1986 case involved
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: a couple and a friend who were driving at night
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: near the Mongolian Rim when their headlights failed. And at
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: that moment, they saw a glowing, triangular-shaped UFO hovering 500
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: feet above their car, and it remained in place for
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: five minutes before moving to the west. Now here's a
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: very interesting case which was investigated by Tom Dongo. He
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: is an Arizona resident and has actually written a series
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: of books about UFO encounters in the Sedona area. And
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: this witness was a major, he was a major for U.S. Airlines.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: And in 1986, he was driving a on Highway 89A
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: from Sedona to Prescott, and as he passed the Mingus Mountains,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: he saw strange flashes of light. And as Tom Dongo writes,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: he left his car to investigate the area, and in
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: the side canyon, he saw a landed, disc-shaped craft sitting
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: on the ground and three humanoid beings walking around it.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: The three humanoids were aware of him immediately, and one
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: of them raised an arm hi, and a gesture of greeting.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: The pilot became rather unhinged at that point and made
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: a dash for his car. So he ran into his
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: car and raced down the highway trying to get away,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and the next thing he knows, this disc comes swooping
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: down and hovers directly in front of his vehicle as
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: though trying to stop him, but after a few minutes,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: it darted quickly away. He drives to his home in
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Prescott and calls a friend who is a well-known politician.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: After telling his story, the politician asked the pilot if
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: he wanted to report his encounter to the Air Force.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: The pilot agreed and soon found himself on board a
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: special Air Force jet heading directly to Wright-Patterson Air Force
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Base in Ohio. Upon arrival, he was placed inside a
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: room for a half an hour until finally an Air
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Force officer arrived and told him that no questions would
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: be asked of him, and without any other delay, the
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: pilot was flown back to Prescott in another Air Force jet.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: So as you can see, this just shows how deeply
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: interested our military was in this subject. So many other cases,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: and some involve photographs, many. For example, in the fall
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: of 1988, four tourists were hiking on Bell Rock when
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: they saw three disc-shaped objects hovering in formation overhead. They
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: allegedly took photos of these objects, which quickly darted west
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: to the Apache Mountains. One year later, spring of 1989,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: two visitors were in a hotel in Sedona and saw
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: a UFO that hovering over Schnebley Hill. This object stopped,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: ejected a red sphere which danced around the larger object
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: and then reattached itself to the original object and darted away.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: In 1989, same year, a married couple saw this odd
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: egg-shaped cloud hovering over the town of Sedona when suddenly
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: three large green spheres dropped from the cloud and each
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: of these spheres moved off in three separate directions. One
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Sedona researcher, Dr. Patricia Rochelle Deagle, interviewed a woman by
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: the name of Doriel who was driving home along the
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: back roads of Sedona around 1990 when she says a
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: disc-shaped object flew only a few yards in front of
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: her right above the road. It turns out her husband
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: was driving behind her in a separate car, and she
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: slowed down, hoping her husband would catch up. But when
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: she slowed down, so did the UFO. She slowed down
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: even further, so did this object, and she approached her
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: home in Oak Creek. Finally, her husband appears behind her,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: and this object takes off straight up. She told her
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: husband what had happened. He said that he had also
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: seen the object and thought at first it was a
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: shooting star until he saw this thing move straight up
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and disappear. But what's interesting about this case is according
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: to Dr. Deagle, this is not unusual in that she
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: has investigated more than 36 similar cases involving people who
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: have encountered UFOs along the back roads of Sedona. And
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: she says the descriptions of the encounter are very similar
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: to Doriel's, in which these objects come swooping down and
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: follow these cars right over the highway. So yeah, many
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: people have photographed these objects. Another photographic case occurred on
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: August 14, 2003, when a man and his wife were
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: driving through Sedona, taking pictures of the landscape. They saw
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: nothing unusual at the time. But upon downloading their images
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: into their computer, they saw what appeared to be a
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: small bubble-type craft. And it was just a few days
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: later when they were talking to construction workers at their home.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: And these construction workers saw the photo and freaked out
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: because it turned out that a few days earlier, apparently
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: at the same time, they had had a flat tire
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: on the same road and observed the same object that
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: the couple had photographed. So as you can see, here's
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: the photo of this object. And again, cases involving landing
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: and humanoids. Sometime in the late 1980s, a woman by
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the name of Susan Bedell invited her niece Laura to
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: stay at her home in Sedona. Laura was sleeping on
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the couch when she heard banging noises in the kitchen
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: and saw lights and was freaking out when suddenly a
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Glowing light appeared six feet in front of her. It
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: expanded lengthwise and took the form of a small humanoid creature.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: And according to the witness, this object had a disproportionately
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: large head, gray skin, large slanted almond eyes, and a
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: body that seemed too frail to hold it up. So
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: a typical gray. Laura stared at this being for just
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: a few moments. It stared back at her and then
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: slowly vanished. Another case, and this one was a landing.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: One evening, the date is not given in this case,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: a retired couple was watching TV in their Sedona home,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and looking out their window, they saw a blue-white light
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: fall to the ground near their property. They lived in
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: a pretty remote area, and they thought it was a
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: plane that had crashed. So they ran to the site,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: and instead of finding a crash site, they saw a
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: landed UFO. The object was quite large, disc-shaped, and around
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: it were several small figures with large heads gathering samples
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: from the surrounding area. Bongo investigated this case as he writes,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: and I quote, The woman uttered some sort of cry,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: a sound that attracted the attention of the little men.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Realizing they had been seen, the couple turned and ran
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: as fast as their legs would carry them. As they
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: struggled over the crest of a low hill, they were
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: hit in the back and knocked... down by something that
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: caused searing pain the couple then lost consciousness when the
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: couple came to was now midday and they were three
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: miles from where they had been the night before to
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: their further consternation they discovered had fresh scars and marks
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: on their body another alarming case occurred on May 7
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: 1993 when a group of about 10 people were hiking
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: In the Schneble Hill area of Sedona, it was around
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: dusk when they saw two helicopters hovering next to a
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: rock formation. They stopped to watch, as did a small
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: crowd of people, when suddenly the rock face appeared to
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: disappear and become a cave-like opening. At that instant, several
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: lighted objects shot out of the cave, flew erratically, and
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: were gone. this cave opening, then closed up. The helicopters
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: hovered for a few more minutes and then departed. The
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: woman reported her case to New Fork, and as she writes,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: and I quote, I still don't know exactly what we
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: all saw, but it was definitely something we had never
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: before imagined or could deny. So perhaps there's a base there.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: There are many rumors of a base in the Superstition Mountains.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, not just sightings and landings in many cases
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: of humanoids and abductions. Here's another very interesting case involving
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: a human This occurred to a lady whose home overlooked
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Bell Rock. And it was a clear, beautiful day, July 12, 2009,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: and the witness was in her dining room working at
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: a computer room when movement from outside caught her eye
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: and she looked and got a real shock. As she says,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I got up and went out to the patio and
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: realized it was a humanoid figure without a power pack
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: of any sort. It flew from the far left of
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Lee Mountain. She wasn't the only witness. She called another
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: person out who was in the house and they both
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: watched this flying humanoid as it flew in a horizontal
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: path without any sways or dips, they said. They're absolutely
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: sure this was a humanoid, and they kept this experience
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: to themselves because it was so bizarre, but finally one
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: of them reported this case to MUFON. Another case involving
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: an abduction occurred in 1976 to a gentleman by the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: name of Frank Ramsey who was visiting a ranch near
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Loy Butte in Sedona, and he was taking pictures of
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: the sunset when he looked up and saw a UFO,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: which he described as a bright white sphere about 30
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: to 40 feet off the ground. So he quickly went
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: to get his camera. At this point, the object blinked
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: out and reappeared some distance away. And then it returned
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: and began blinking away and disappearing. It moved back and forth. Finally,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: this was freaking Frank Ramsey out and he made a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: run back towards the ranch and was almost there when
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: suddenly he saw this object again. And actually what he
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: saw was a figure standing on the hillside waving a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: light at him. And he first thought it was someone
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: at the ranch, one of his friends. And he turned
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: his flashlight and moved towards the figure. And at this
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: point he saw that his friends were actually driving up
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: up the road to the ranch and so he turns
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: back to this figure which was now about a hundred
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: feet away and he could see that this figure was
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: standing next to a bright white sphere as he watched
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: a door opened in this sphere he could see inside
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: and this figure itself also appeared to glow and realizing
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: he was seeing a landed UFO and its occupant he
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: turned to run away but became paralyzed Next thing he knows,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: he had missing time, the object and the figure are gone,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: and Frank Ramsey found himself standing, still with his camera,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: in a completely different location. In fact, he was quite
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: far from where he had been, more than a mile
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: and a half away. And it took him almost an
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: hour to make his way back. And meanwhile, while walking back,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: he started to remember what happened. As he says, and
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I quote, I have a memory of being inside that sphere.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I remember looking out a porthole-type window and I remember
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: seeing stars outside of it. He also remembered what this
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: being looked like and he described it as short with
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: very large dark eyes. Another abduction occurred in May of
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: 1981 when a lady by the name of Nancy was
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: in her home in Sedona. She felt a powerful vibration
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: ran outside and saw this huge object hovering above her house.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: It was larger than an aircraft carrier, a dull metallic color,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: and a huge glowing dome on top. And it was
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: one year later that she was camping with her daughter
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: and granddaughter in Fay Canyon in Sedona. They saw a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: glowing disc hovering, and later that night they were in
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: their tent when they were visited by a small entity
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: which grabbed Nancy's arm, and took her and the others
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: from the tent. She doesn't remember what happened next, only
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: that the creature was speaking inside her head, telling her
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: that they were rearranging her molecular structure for the purpose
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: of facilitating communication and travel. And here's one final case
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: which took place in Sedona involving a possible UFO crash.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: A couple were in Sedona... when the wife noticed a
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: very bright star-like light in the northwest sky, but it
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: was too bright to be a star, and suddenly this
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: beam of light struck this object from the east. And
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: as they watched, this object flared up and exploded and
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: began to float down. And two hours later, they had
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: friends in West Sedona who called them to say that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: there was a fire burning west of Highway 89A in
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: an area known as Secret Canyon. The next day, they
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: went to the local coffee house and heard people talking
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: about this fire. And one couple said that an hour
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: before this fire was reported, they saw what was apparently
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: this same object, a small flaming object, fall into Secret Canyon.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: And they believed this was the cause of the fire.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: And this is when other witnesses began to talk and
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: rumors were swirling around town. because this fire was in
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: a pretty remote area, and the fire department decided they
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: were not going to fight it, but let it burn out,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: and it burned for the next 10 days. The whole
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: canyon was closed off, and the firefighters only fought this
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: fire when it started to come close to resorts in
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Oak Creek Canyon. But Secret Canyon, according to these witnesses,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: was closed for three months, during which other residents in
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: the area said they saw military trucks driving in and
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: out of the area. And the witness also heard reports
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: of hikers, including two police officers who were exploring the
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: area but were turned back by military men in black
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: uniforms and M16 rifles. So was this a UFO crash retrieval?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Hard to say. It wasn't officially investigated. But it just
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: fits in with the... huge amount of activity that's going
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: on in Sedona. Sedona is definitely Arizona's biggest UFO hotspot
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: and perhaps one of the biggest hotspots in the United
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: States or even the world. There are more than three
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: different organizations, companies that offer UFO tours and a huge
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: number of photographic cases as I mentioned. This is a
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: very active area and has had a huge influence on
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: our understanding of UFOs. And that's why I gave it
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: case slot number four on this list. And now we
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: get to the top three. And if you know anything
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: about UFOs, you could probably predict what the top three
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: are going to be. But for space number three, I
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: chose UFO crash at Paradise Valley. also known as the
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Kingman UFO crash. There are only a handful of really
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: credible UFO crash retrieval accounts, and this one that happened
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: in Paradise Valley is definitely one of them, and absolutely
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Arizona's most famous UFO crash, so that's why I gave
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: it number three on this list, and that's really a
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: fascinating case, as we shall see. Frank Scully's explosive book,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Behind the Flying Saucers, was not only the first UFO
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: book published, but it was the first to talk about
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: crashed UFOs and the first to mention the Paradise Valley
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: crash in Arizona. According to Scully's sources, they told him
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: that they were actually in the Phoenix area when this
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: crash occurred, and as Paradise Valley was just north of Phoenix,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: they arrived at the site shortly after it occurred, And
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: on the scene, they found a smallish craft, which they
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: said was about 36 feet in diameter, and there were
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: two deceased extraterrestrials. As Scully writes, and I quote, one
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: of the little men was half out of the escape
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: door or hatch, as the doctor called it. The little
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: man was dead. The other little fellow, there being only
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: a crew of two on the ship, was sitting in
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: his seat at the control board. He was also dead.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: So that was the first leak in this case. And
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: the next leak came from researcher Richard Hall way back
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: in 1964. And Richard Hall spoke with a gentleman who
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: was soon to be a commander in Vietnam, so a
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: good witness. And this gentleman told Richard Hall that back
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: in 1953, a UFO crashed in Arizona. And according to him,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: there were four bodies recovered. and the craft was described
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: as about 30 feet in diameter and undamaged. And as
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Richard Hall says, I could not imagine a less likely hoaxer.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: The third big break in the case came from highly
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: respected researcher Raymond Fowler, best known for his research into
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Betty Andreasen, and he spoke with a first-hand witness, a historian,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: This witness initially used the pseudonym Fritz Werner and signed
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: an affidavit. attesting to the truth of his testimony. We
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: now know that this man's true name was Arthur G. Stensel,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: who was an engineer manager at the Air Material Command
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. Arthur Stancil worked
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: directly with a gentleman by the name of Dr. Eric
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Henry Wang, who we know was the head of the
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Department of Special Studies at Wright-Patterson. And one day, Dr.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Wang approached Arthur Stancil and said that a UFO had
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: crashed nearby in Arizona. As it turns out, Arthur was
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: in Arizona at the time, so... Arthur Stansel was ordered
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: to go to this UFO crash site with a group
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: of about 40 other scientists to assist in the recovery
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: of this object. Arthur Stansel was told by Dr. Wang
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: that this was, in fact, a UFO, and it was
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Arthur's job to calculate the velocity and trajectory of the
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: disk based on its structure, how deeply it had burrowed
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: into the ground, and the whole blast pattern. He was
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: taken to the site on a bus with blacked-out windows
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: and was told to concentrate only on his assigned duties
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: and do not look around. Upon arrival, Arthur Stansel says
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: he saw a 30-foot oval object constructed of an unbrushed
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: metal which resembled brushed aluminum. He said the disc was
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: undamaged and had penetrated only 20 inches into the sand.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: He said he saw a hatch about three and a
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: half feet high, no apparent landing gear. He made his
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: measurements and studied the area and concluded that the craft
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: had struck the ground at about 1,200 miles per hour.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: He also concluded that the craft was not human-made. As
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: he says, and I quote, the object was not built
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: by anything, obviously, that we know about on Earth. It
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: was more like a teardrop-shaped cigar. like a streamlined cigar.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: I managed to glance inside at one point and saw
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: the dead body of a four-foot human-like creature in a
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: silver metallic suit. The skin on its face was dark brown.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Stansel says that all the other scientists were escorted one
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: by one to perform their duties and then were returned
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: to the bus and afterwards an Air Force colonel made
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: them sign an official secrets act making them all swear
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: under oath never to reveal what they had seen. Arthur
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Stancil did speak with another scientist who said he was
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: able to look inside the object itself and said he
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: saw two small swivel seats and a strange-looking instrument panel.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: That was basically it. The next big break in the
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: case came from researcher Leonard Stringfield, known for his crash
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: retrieval investigations. And this witness says that he was taken
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: in April or May of 1953 to a desert area
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: to examine the crash of a flying saucer. So the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: timeline fits, and so do the details, because this witness
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: described the object as 30 feet in diameter. It had
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: no apparent damage. He was not allowed to enter the ship,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: but he said he did see a hatchway about 4
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: feet tall and 2 feet wide, and it was his
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: job to analyze the metal. He was at the site
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: for two days and after his tests concluded that the
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: object was definitely not constructed on Earth. Years later, in 1977,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Stringfield was giving a lecture about this crash when someone
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: in the audience approached him, a National Guard employee who
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: said that he was there back in 1953. Actually, he
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: was stationed at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio when
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: a group of crates arrived from a UFO crash that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: had come from Arizona. So presumably this was the Paradise
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Valley Kingman crash. And the crates, he learned, contained three
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: humanoid bodies, four feet tall, large heads, brownish skin, and
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: each was packed in dry ice to preserve it. One
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: of the bodies, he was told, was female, and he
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: learned that some of the other crates contained debris, which
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: apparently had Sanskrit-like symbols etched into them. The witness refused
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: to make a written statement. He did ask his superiors
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: if he could leave a written statement to be opened
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: upon his death, but his superiors emphatically denied the request.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: But he still spoke. He was another whistleblower who confirms
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: this crash. Here's another very interesting tidbit of information that
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: confirms this crash. It comes from a lady by the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: name of Judy Wolcott, whose husband revealed that he participated
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: in this incident. He was on duty at the air
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: control tower at Kingman when he and other personnel were
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: tracked this object on radar. They watched as it quickly
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: lost altitude, disappeared from their scopes, and moments later there
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: was a huge flash of light in the distance outside
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: the city. So he and a group of other men
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: jumped into their jeeps and drove to where this object
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: had impacted the ground. And they were approaching this area
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: when they saw this large object off in the distance
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: partially embedded in the sandy soil. He couldn't see any
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: bodies at this distance, but he could tell that the
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: object did not appear to be damaged, and they were
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: about to approach it more closely when military officials arrived
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: and ordered them off the site. He was taken back
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: to the base and told that nothing had happened. They
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: had seen nothing, and they were ordered not to speak
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: about it. But there was a lot of rumors that
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: he heard, and that he did hear that there were
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: other witnesses who had seen alien bodies. So he kept
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: this secret, but 10 years after the incident, while serving
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: in Vietnam, he wrote a letter to his wife, Judy,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: and detailed this incident. And it was one year later
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: he was killed in action in Vietnam. Another possible confirmation
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: of this incident comes from Lyndon Moulton Howe, who said
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: that she met with the infamous Richard Doty of the AFOSI.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: This was on April 9, 1983 at Kirtland Air Force Base.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: And she saw a document which actually referenced that there
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: had been a UFO crash in Kingman, Arizona at this time.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Another whistleblower is Bill Uhaus. who says that this disk
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: was not a crash so much as it was a landing.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: As he says, this E.T. craft was a controlled craft
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: that the aliens wanted to present to our government. It
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: landed about 15 miles from what used to be an
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: army base, which is now a defunct army base. According
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: to him, the first soldiers to enter the craft became
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: nauseous and disoriented, and when they exited the craft, they
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: had missing time. They could not remember even going inside
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: the craft. According to U-House, this craft was actually transported
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: to Area 51. He said it made loud humming noises
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: the whole time, which really concerned the military. He says
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: the military didn't know what to do. They weren't sure
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: if it was going to explode or what, so they
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: left it sitting out in the open on the tarmac
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: for nine months. I don't know. I just provide this
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: testimony for what it's worth. Another controversial and perhaps questionable
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: testimony comes from Len Kasten, who says that this craft
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: did occur, but actually contained live aliens who survived it,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: and they ended up working closely with the U.S. military.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: And he says that this Paradise Valley UFO became the
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: model to reverse engineer other UFOs and that the ETs
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: allegedly assisted in helping the military scientists to understand and
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: use the craft. I don't know. This is controversial testimony,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: and I present it for what it's worth. One final
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: witness is Robert Carr, who was a very vocal early
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: whistleblower talking about UFO crash retrievals when really no one
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: else was. He was an expert in nonverbal communication. was
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: apparently one of the scientists in the know when it
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: came to crashed saucers. And he was very tight-lipped, usually
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: refused to give interviews, but did grant an interview to
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: researcher Gray Barker. And he revealed facts about the Paradise
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Valley UFO. As Carr says, the other wreck was found
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: that summer in the desert in Arizona by visual observation.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: This one was burned and had been out there in
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: the desert for too long. There were organic materials left,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: but the predators in the heat of the desert had
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: pretty well taken care of the occupants. But they scooped
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: it up and took it along. So as you can see,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: there's quite a bit of evidence for this case. which
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: is why I gave it spot number three. And now
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: we move to case number two, and this was actually
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: a really easy choice. For number two, I chose the
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: UFO abduction of Travis Walton. This is one of the
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: most famous and well-known and credible UFO abduction cases on record.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: And it's quite well-known, so I'm not going to go
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: into too much detail about the parts that have been
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: covered by many other researchers. But I do think I
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: have some interesting and unique stories to tell you, which
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: you may not have heard before. So let's just get started.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: On November 5, 1975, a group of seven young men,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: all woodcutters, were working in the Apache Sickreeves National Forest
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: in the Mongolian Rim area, not far from Snowflake. They
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: had been thinning trees all day and were returning home.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: And it was around 7.15 when they came upon this
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: glow through the trees. And as they approached, they were
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: shocked to see a cleanly structured craft with glowing panels
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: of light. And Travis Walton, who had the door seat
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: in the front, jumped out and ran under this object.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: He said it was making a high-pitched sound. And the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: other people in the truck were freaking out and calling
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: for him to come back. And so Travis Walton was
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: about to return. And at this point, he's standing up,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: and next thing he knows, he felt a powerful jolt
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: and fell unconscious. And back in the truck, all the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: other witnesses watched as this blazing beam of light shot
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: out from the bottom of the craft, struck Travis on
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: the chest, and sent him flying backwards to the ground.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: So this completely freaked them out. They were hysterical and
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: panicking and very afraid. And they screamed at Mike Rogers,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: who was the crew chief and driving the truck, to
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: get away. Mike wanted to scoop Travis up first, but
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: the men were panicking. They were all afraid, so they
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: drove off and got out of view of this object
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: and pulled over. And they were discussing what had happened
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: and what to do. According to Mike Rogers, he looked
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: up and saw this object, apparently this object, quickly dart away.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: He shouted out to the other witnesses, but no one
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: else saw it. At this point, they returned to the site.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Travis was, of course, missing. They searched the area, called
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: for his name. They could not find him. This was
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: absolutely freaking them out, and they returned to go to
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: the police. Meanwhile, back in the town of Snowflake, residents
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: apparently were reporting some unusual electromagnetic disturbances. According to MUFON
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: field investigator Willard D. Nelson, he interviewed a witness who
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: says that at the time of Travis' encounter, her TV failed.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: As she says, and I quote, I remember it because
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: it made me mad. I was trying to watch the
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: 6 o'clock news and the picture went out for about
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: 20 minutes right after 6.15. We thought the power had
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: gone off, but we checked that, and a lady in
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: Heber told me that she lost the picture too, but
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: they had a different power company, so it wasn't a
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: power outage. And later, when the Walton story broke in
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: the news, both witnesses realized that their TV disturbances had
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: occurred on the same night, very close to the same time.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: So meanwhile, back at the abduction scene, Mike Rogers and
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: the others could not find Travis, and they drove directly
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: to the police. They told their stories to Deputies Ellison
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: and Flake and to Sheriff Gillespie and Under Sheriff Copeland.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: And the police insisted on returning to the site. Some
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: of the men were too afraid to go, but the
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: police insisted. So Allen, Dallas, Kenneth Peterson, and Mike Rogers returned.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: while Dwayne Smith, Steve Pierce, and John Goulet stayed behind.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Back at the site, they searched for Walton, could not
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: find any trace of him. So this case immediately came
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: to the attention of UFO researchers, and William Spalding of
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Ground Saucer Watch investigated the area, and according to him,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: magnetic readings at the site were several times higher than normal. Otherwise,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: he could not find any other evidence. The police interviewed
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: the men who were clearly sincere and very emotionally upset.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: They wondered if it was a hoax, but they didn't
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: think so because the men were crying and very upset.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: They asked the witnesses to take lie detector tests. They
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: all agreed, and each of them easily passed, except for
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: one of them who was too emotionally upset. And according
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: to the gentleman who conducted the polygraph tests, Cy Gilson,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: they were all telling the truth. As he says, and
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: I quote, I think they did see something they believed
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: was a UFO. I gotta say, they passed the test.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: So the media, of course, heard about this case and
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: the town of Snowflake was besieged by reporters, UFO organizations,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: UFO hunters. It was complete mayhem. And while the search
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: for Walton continued, they could not find any sign of him.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: They were sure that the men were probably telling the
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: truth because of how sincere and emotional they were. Everyone
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: who interviewed them was very much impressed. As Sheriff Chuck
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Ellison says, and I quote, one of the men was weeping.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: If they were lying, they were damn good actors. So
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: while the investigation is going on and the men are
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: beginning to be suspected of committing murder, Travis Walton, last
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: thing he remembered was being struck by this electrical beam.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: He didn't actually see the beam. He just remembers feeling
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: this jolt and passing out. and he woke up lying
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: on his back and saw lights above him. He was
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: in quite a bit of pain, disoriented, and struggling for consciousness.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: And as he looked up, he saw figures around him
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: fussing with his clothes. And he remembered seeing this UFO,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: and he thought, oh, I must have gotten hurt, and
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: now I'm in a hospital. And he kept trying to
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: wake up and focus, and finally his vision cleared and
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: he got a terrible shock. The people he thought were
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: doctors in a hospital were not. They were alien-looking figures.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: There were three of them, five feet tall, with large
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: oversized bald heads and luminous brown eyes the size of quarters,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: he said. Each wore a featureless jumpsuit. He completely panicked,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: jumped up, and pushed one of the figures away. He
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: said it had a very marshmallow-like texture, very soft. He
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: looked around and saw this little metal bench with these
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: weird instruments on it. He grabbed what looked like a
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: clear glass-like tube and began swinging at the figures, each
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: of whom quickly exited the room. And they went to
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: the left, he saw, so he quickly exited the room
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: and turned in the other direction to the right and
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: walked down this curving metal gray corridor and came upon
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: another small room with a little chair with weird controls
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: in the center. And he walked up to it, and
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: to his shock, the walls around the room became transparent.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: There were little controls and screens on the armrests of
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: this chair, so he fiddled with them for a second,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: and the stars began moving. That freaked him out. So
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: he began searching the room for a doorway, when suddenly
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: a figure appeared at the doorway, a male, human-looking figure.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: He described it as tall, muscular, good-looking, with golden hazel
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: eyes and brown hair, and wearing a tight-fitting blue suit
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: and a transparent helmet. And Waltons first thought that this
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: was a normal human being, and he quickly asked questions.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: This man completely ignored Travis and instead grabbed him by
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: the arm, led him from the room down the corridor
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: into a really small elevator-like room. A door opened, and
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: they walked out, and Travis was shocked to find himself
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: walking out of this craft, which had taken him, into
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: a hangar, which there were at least two or three
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: other similar craft. And he's like, wow, I'm inside of
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: a mothership. And this figure led Walton across this hangar
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: to another small room where there were two men and
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: a woman, all who had the same general appearance. And
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: they laid him out on a table, put this mask-like
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: device over his face, and he passed out. Next thing
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: he knows, he's waking up alongside a highway, and this
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: craft is above him and darting away. He recognized the area.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: He was more than 20 miles from where he had
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: been originally taken. He ran down the highway to where
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: he knew there was a group of three phone booths
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: and called his family. So, meanwhile, on the same exact
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: night of Travis' reappearance, a lady was driving through this
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: area when she saw something amazing. And I'll just quote
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: this witness directly. She says, I was traveling back from
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas with two friends around midnight, 12 miles from Winslow,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: heading east. A truck driver ahead was stopped on the highway,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: and there was this bluish glow everywhere in the desert.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: At that time, I stopped and a huge blue fireball
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: was descending across the highway about one mile ahead of
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: my car. According to this witness, this object moved downward
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: in a very slow, controlled manner and went behind a
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: desert mesa. Everything became dark, though there was no evidence
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: of any crash or explosion. And she's like, wow, is
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: that a UFO? She left the area, drove on to Albuquerque,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: only to learn a week later... that Travis Walton had
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: reappeared on the very same night of their sighting in
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: the same apparent location. And as she says, and I quote,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: did I see the ship that dropped him off? So
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: there's possible confirmation there. Meanwhile, Travis's disappearance for five days
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: had sent shockwaves through the community of Snowflake and beyond.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: And people were wondering if he would ever return Of course,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: the woodcutters were being accused of murder, which they denied.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: And then Travis reappeared, and this caused an explosion, like
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: an atom bomb, of press attention. At first, the Walton
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: family told nobody of Travis's return. Travis was extremely traumatized.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: He could not believe he had been missing for five days.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: All he remembered was about 15 minutes. So they rushed
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: him off to the doctor in Tucson to examine him.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: And according to the doctor, Travis was in good health,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: though he had lost 10 pounds. They then called the police.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: The police conducted an investigation, gave Travis a lie detector test,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: which he agreed to, and he passed. He was examined
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: by a psychiatrist by the name of Gene Rosenbaum. This
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: was one day later. And according to Gene Rosenbaum, and
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: I quote, this young man is not lying. There is
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: no collusion involved, no attempt to hoax. There is no
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: evidence of drugs in this issue. He really believes these things.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: So at this point, two UFO organizations, APRO and the
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: Ground Saucer Watch, both wanted to investigate this. Travis Walton
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: chose APRO, and he was interviewed by Dr. James Harder
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: and Jim Lorenzen, who became absolutely convinced of the authenticity
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: of Walton's case. This case became very well known. Hundreds
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: of articles appeared in newspapers all over the world, some skeptical,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: others supportive. Some were accurate, but many of them were
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: almost completely fabricated. His phone ran off the hook. It
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: was so bad, he actually got rid of his phone.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: He had multiple offers for interviews, movie authors. He started
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: receiving threats, all kinds of weird accusations of hoaxes. I mean,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: the case was just going wild. The National Enquirer heard
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: about their case, and a report was submitted to them,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: and they did, in fact, win an award for the
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: best case of the year. They each got a check,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: and this brought in more accusations of a hoax. So
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: lots of controversy was still surrounding this case. Within a
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: year of it, a journalist by the name of Bill
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Berry wrote a book about this encounter called The Ultimate Encounter.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: Travis was still getting requests for interviews, and seeing how
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: badly his case was being misrepresented and watching other people
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: profit from it, he decided he would write a book.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: This was called The Walton Incident, and it later was
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: rewritten into a new book called Fire in the Sky,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: which was also made into a really good movie. In fact,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: the movie was very accurate except for the on-board segment,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: which was largely fictionalized. At any rate, this case remained
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: a classic. No one has ever been able to prove
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: it was a hoax. Travis Walton said it completely transformed
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: his life, and it wasn't always good news. As he says,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: it will always be there. It changed everything. All in all,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: I've lost badly from this thing. people have accused him
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: of a hoax. Phil Klass tried very hard to debunk
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: his case, but no one has been able to provide
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: any solid evidence that this was a hoax. And in fact,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: several of the people, the witnesses, were offered substantial sums
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: of money to say that it was a hoax, and
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: they did not take these offers. Walton was hypnotized to
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: see if he could recall the missing five days. He
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: could not. And that is where the case remains. Walton
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: does not know why he was taken. He hasn't had
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: any encounters since. As he says, so far as I know,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: I was just in the wrong place at the wrong
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: time and too curious for my own good. Recently, there's
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: been more controversy about this case when there was a
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: dispute between Mike Rogers and Travis Walton over money, um,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: involving their story. Mike Rogers, some people said, detracted his
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: statement and said that this was a hoax. Mike Rogers
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: said that, no, that's not true. He still stands by
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: this case. And in fact, there was a recent award-winning documentary,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: which is titled Travis, by producer-director Jennifer W. Stein. It's
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: won multiple awards, as I mentioned, and all the witnesses...
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: are still standing by this case. They gave very compelling interviews.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: And this case still remains one of the most famous
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: and influential abductions in history, which is why I gave
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: it the number two spot on this list. And now
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: we get to number one. And number one should be
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: easy to guess. For number one, I chose the Phoenix Lights.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: This could very well be the most widely viewed UFO
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: encounter of modern times, up since the modern age of UFOs,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: and is easily one of the most famous UFO sightings
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: in all of human history. It's quite an amazing story.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: There have been many books and documentaries that present this case,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: but I just want to give you a quick rundown
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: of what happened. some interesting and lesser-known eyewitness testimony reports.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: It's just an amazing, amazing event, which is why I
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: gave it the number one spot on this list. March 13,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: 1997 began normally, like any other day in Phoenix, with
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: no hint that one of the largest viewed UFO events
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: in modern history was about to occur. The first indication
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: of anything strange was when the National UFO Reporting Center,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: New Fork, began receiving a flurry of calls all across
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: Nevada and Arizona. First call came in at 8.16 from
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: a police officer in Pauldin. This is 60 miles north
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: of Phoenix. He said he saw a cluster of five
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: red lights heading south. Peter Davenport, the head of New Fork,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: took the call. Two minutes later, a witness from Prescott
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: phoned in his sighting, and immediately after that, calls started
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: coming in one after another. Calls came from all across Arizona,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: from Wickenburg, from Tempe, from Scottsdale, from other areas, from
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Chino Valley, Dewey, Cordes Junction, Cave Creek, And by the
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: time this object was moving over Phoenix, the phones at
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: the UFO reporting center were ringing off the hook. And
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: thousands of people at this point were witnessing this incredible display.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Traffic was stopping on the street. Ball games stopped in mid-play.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: People were running out of stores and homes to stare
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: at this incredible spectacle. And pretty much all the witnesses
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: agreed that this was a very large object. Some felt
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: it was a few miles in length. Others estimated about
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: a half mile. Pretty much all of them agreed it
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: was very low in the sky, a few thousand feet
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: at most. Almost all of them said it was moving
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: very slowly, though a few said it did dart around.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: and almost nobody heard any sound. A few did report
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: hearing a low hum. So this object apparently moved directly
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: over Luke Air Force Base, and witnesses who live next
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: to Air Force Base said that they saw several jet
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: fighters being scrambled from the base and being vectored towards
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: this object. It was so large they looked like tiny
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: little gnats, they said. And according to insiders at Luke
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: Air Force Base, the switchboards were lighting up with callers
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: inquiring about this object or objects. And at the same time,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: police officers or police stations and radio stations across Phoenix
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: were also flooded with calls and the whole city was
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: becoming completely electrified. I'd like to give you just some
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: direct quotes from various witnesses who saw this. One was
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: a cement truck driver by the name of Bill Grenier
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: who was hauling a load of cement along Interstate 17
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: when he saw these objects going towards Phoenix at a
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: pretty low rate. And he actually followed them for two hours.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: And as he approached Phoenix, he saw F-16 fighter jets
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: taking off from Luke Air Force Base. And as he says,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: and I quote, it was crazy. I know those pilots
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: saw it. I wish the government would just admit it.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: It's like having 50,000 people in a stadium watch a
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: football game and then having someone tell us we weren't there.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: I will never be the same again. Before this, if
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: anybody told me they'd seen a UFO, I would have said, yeah,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: and I believe in the tooth fairy. So at this point,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: the witnesses were numbering in the several thousands. So it's
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: going to be impossible to list them all. Uh, The
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: first witnesses started seeing this around 8 p.m., and an
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: anonymous pilot said he saw these lights approaching Squaw Peak,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: moving off to the southeast. At 8.15, a retired general
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: by the name of Kelly and his wife were in Glendale,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: and they said they saw a V-shaped object with seven lights,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: and they watched it pass over the highway, and they
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: said it made no sound. Ten minutes later, at 8.25,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: a psychiatrist and his wife and their child were driving
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: along Interstate 10, and they observed this formation of lights
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: about 300 yards across pass right over their car at
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: an altitude they estimated about 1,500 feet. There was no noise,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: but each of the witnesses, interestingly, said that they got
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: a telepathic message telling them not to worry about what
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: they were seeing. Five minutes later, Mike Fortson and his
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: wife in Chandler, Arizona, watch this object pass right in
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: front of the full moon. It was in view for
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: about two minutes. He estimates that it was at about 1,200
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: feet of altitude, moving about 35 miles per hour, and
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: he thinks it was about a mile in size. He
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: says it had a dark black surface which almost looked translucent.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: As he says... During the whole sighting, we never moved
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: our feet. There was no question in our minds that
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: what we saw was not of this earth. People say, Mike,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe you saw a B-2 bomber. My response was,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: we could land all 40 of our B-2 bombers on
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: the wing of this craft. Another witness was Booth Gerboth,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: who said that he saw these lights around 8.30pm and
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: was convinced that these five amber orbs were in fact
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: connected to a triangular-shaped object, and he saw it one
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: hour later. So soon it was becoming clear that there
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: was at least more than one object, possibly several, and
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: that this was a display that would go on over
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: a period of two hours. One Phoenix resident by the
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: name of Mr. Berry told reporters, It was pretty incredible
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: what I saw. I didn't know what it was. I
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: just saw lights in the sky in the shape of
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: a big V, and I ran in and got my binoculars.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: It did not look like an aircraft. It was moving
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: pretty slow.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: It was big.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: Another witness was 11-year-old Boy Scout Tim McDonald, who watched
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: this object for three minutes and told reporters, It looked
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: like a stealth bomber. It was in a triangle, and
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: it had three lights. It was there for two or
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: three minutes. When it disappeared, I thought it was a UFO.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: Another group of witnesses was Don and Grace of Phoenix.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: They said this object was definitely solid and V-shaped with
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: seven lights and constructed of what they thought were gray panels.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: And to their amazement, as they watched, one of these lights...
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: detached from the structure itself, flew to the right, and
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: then returned and reattached itself to this object. Another witness,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: Seth Adams, says, and I quote, it was one of
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: the biggest things I've ever seen that moved like that.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just enormous. I don't know if
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: it was as big as an aircraft carrier. It might
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: have been because I've never seen an aircraft carrier fly.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Another witness was Stacy Rhodes. She and her mother saw
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: this huge triangular-shaped craft, they said, as it flew over
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: the freeway. They were certain it was metallic, and they
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: estimated it was about two miles wide. As Stacy says,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: the object we saw, if we opened up a newspaper,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: you could not block out the object that we saw.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: It was gunmetal black. It wasn't shiny. It wasn't invisible.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: It was more of a dull, bluish-black color. Her daughter
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: Emily saw it, and as Emily says, we both just
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: stayed there and looked at it for a couple of minutes,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: and it was completely silent. Around 9.30 p.m., a couple
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: in Carefree, Arizona, watched this craft as it lit up
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: and moved overhead. And as the witness says, and I quote,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: my feelings at the time were only of excitement and
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: not trepidation. The ship was not acting in a threatening manner.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: If anything, it seemed to have an agenda that it
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: wished to execute as efficiently as possible. But its size,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: its spectacular shape, seemed to represent a powerful presence. It
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: was hovering near the nuclear power plant. Another witness was
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: Tim Lay, a 54-year-old management consultant. He had just gotten
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: home and was exiting his car when he saw this thing.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: He ran inside and got his wife, and they both
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: stood outside and watched this object move directly overhead. And
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: as he says, and I quote, It was astonishing and
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: a little frightening. It was so big and so strange.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: You couldn't actually see the object. All you could see
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: was the outline, as though something was blotting out the stars.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: The lights, he said, were not normal. As he says,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: they weren't bulbs. They looked like gas. There was a
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: distortion on the surface. Also, the light didn't spill out
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: or shine. I've never seen a light like that. This
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: was a detail that many other witnesses described. Another witness
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: was Erin Watson. As she says, and I quote, I
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: remember looking. It was coming over the mountain, and it
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: was almost as wide as one of the humps, and
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: it was very low. It was just gliding, and then
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: it stopped. and then the sides retracted a little, and
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: it was gone.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: Shoo!
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Her husband also observed it, and he says, there was
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: no noise the whole time. Another witness was Damien Turnage.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: He watched the object pass overhead, and he says, it
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: was actually five lights that were a V, one in
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: front and two on each side. It was a perfect triangle.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Two more witnesses were Max and Shala Saracen, They were
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: driving along Deer Valley Road when these lights appeared. They
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: pulled over to watch, and as Max says, and I quote,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: it was very spooky, this gigantic ship blocking out the
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: stars and silently creeping across the sky. I don't know
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: of any aircraft with silent engines. Another witness was Dr.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Bradley Evans, a clinical psychiatrist. He was with his wife, Chris,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: driving along Interstate 10 towards Tempe, Arizona. They saw these
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: lights and watched them for 20 minutes as they passed
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: overhead at an altitude he estimates of only 1,000 feet.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: Another witness was Trigg Johnston. He's a retired commercial airline pilot.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: He and his 22-year-old son were outside their home in Scottsdale,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: and they were actually outside looking at Comet Hale-Bopp, as
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: were many of the witnesses. and instead he could hardly
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: believe his eyes when this huge object approached. And as
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: he says, it was the size of 25 airliners moving
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: at about 100 knots, at maybe 5,000 feet. And it
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: didn't make a sound. I've flown 747s across oceans. and
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: not seen anything like what I saw that night. I
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: don't expect anybody to take my word for it. This
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: was something you had to see for yourself to believe.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: He's not the only pilot who saw it. As it
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: turns out, celebrity and actor Kurt Russell was... coming into
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Phoenix at that time, and he saw it too. He
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: couldn't believe his eyes. He actually reported it and then
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: forgot about it for some years until he heard about
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: the Phoenix Lights and realized that he was a witness.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: So a lot of really good witnesses. A few people
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: were actually able to videotape these lights. Among them were
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Chuck and Carla Radin. who watched the lights pass over
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: their home and pulled out their video camera. And according
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: to them, this video clearly shows unusual lights. As Chuck
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: Radin says, the video doesn't do it justice. Another witness
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: was Dana Valentine. She's a laser printer technician, and she
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: observed the lights with her father, who was an engineer
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: from their Phoenix home. And they said this object was
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: maybe about 500 feet above them. As she says, we
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: could see the outline of a mass behind the lights,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: but you couldn't actually see the mass. It was more
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: like a gray distortion of the night sky, kind of wavy.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: Around 10 p.m., UFO researchers Tom King and Bill Hamilton
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: were in Gila Bend investigating another case involving a family
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: who had reported seeing lights three days earlier. And they
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: called and said the UFOs were back. So Tom King
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: and Bill Hamilton drove over there and they actually saw
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: what appears to be the Phoenix Lights and they captured
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: videotape of it. Bill Hamilton counted six orbs of very
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: bright light traveling right in front of the Estrella Mountains.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: And all of the witnesses were absolutely certain that these
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: objects were not flares. So Luke Air Force Base was
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: definitely aware of this, and they began receiving all kinds
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: of calls from the witnesses. We know this because many
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: of the witnesses who called Luke were told that the
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: Air Force does not handle UFO reports, and they were
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: referred to the National UFO Reporting Center, New Fork. And
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: here's where it gets interesting, because the next day following
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: this major encounter, There was, of course, a lot of
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: media stories on it, and Luke Air Force Base was
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: being asked all kinds of questions. So a Luke Air
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Force Base public information officer released an official statement saying
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: that they knew nothing about the sightings. They had no
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: radar reports. They had no airplanes in the sky that night.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: Commercial airports also reported no unusual radar readings. And they
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: said they had received no calls. Well, Peter Davenport heard
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: about this, and he revealed that many of the callers
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: he had received that night had been referred to New
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Fork by Luke Air Force Base, which was in direct
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: contradiction to what Luke Air Force Base was saying. So
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: Luke Air Force Base was lying from the beginning. We
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: know they were aware of it. We know they were
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: scrambling around. Air Force jets, because there are numerous witnesses
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: who saw this. UFO researcher Tom King called Luca Air
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: Force Base after the event and asked them about this.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: And he was told that no jets had been launched
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: after 7 p.m. Again, in direct contradiction to the statements
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: of numerous witnesses. Strange Universe, the UFO program, did a
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: segment on this. And the producer of Strange Universe, his
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: name is Artie Shamamian, He took the initiative to call
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: Luke Air Force Base directly and was told by a
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: colonel that what the witnesses probably saw was a rogue
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: pilot flying with a light rig designed to fool people.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: It's a ludicrous debunking explanation. So at first, Luke Air
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: Force Base released this official statement saying there were no
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: jets scrambled, nothing unusual occurred. But later they did admit
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: that they did have jets in the sky that night,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: but that the jet lights could not account for the
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: alleged sighting. They also denied dropping any flares or having
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: any knowledge of any flares. So there's another contradictory statement.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: They're changing their story and still not telling the truth.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: It was about two months after the incident, two full months,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: that the Air National Guard said that they had sent
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: jets from Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, south of Phoenix,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: to conduct training exercises involving flares. They said the jets
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: dropped the flares over the Barry Goldwater Gunnery Test Range
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: about 50 miles southwest of Phoenix. And a spokesman for
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: the Air National Guard, Lieutenant Colonel David Tanaka, told reporters,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: those flares that were seen could have been our flares.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: So again, they were trying to debunk this whole incident.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. This explanation fails to account for the evidence
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: for several reasons. What people saw did not resemble flares. Secondly,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: the reports continued before and after the time they were
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: over the nearby test range. Third, the lights were not
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: seen over the test range, but over Phoenix itself and
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: outlying areas. And Phoenix is hardly a location to drop
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: flares for a training exercise. So months after the incident,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: officials released another statement. They were receiving a barrage of calls.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: They revealed that they had, in fact, received a barrage
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: of calls from people about the Phoenix Lights and Lieutenant
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: Colonel Mike Hauser told the USA Today newspaper and I
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: quote they're calling us liars I take great exception to
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: that I've answered every question we have nothing to hide
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: but the fact is we don't investigate UFOs so in
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: my opinion that's a complete lie they are hiding everything
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: they know about these Phoenix Lights. Because they scrambled jets,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: they received a bunch of calls, they absolutely knew something
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: very unusual was going on. In the Arizona Republic newspaper,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Hauser was quoted as saying, We just know
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: it was not one of our planes. Everybody's telling me
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: that we have UFOs stashed all over the Air Force.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not taking issue with what people saw. Lots of
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: things can make lights. Dr. Lynn Kite was actually a
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: witness to the Phoenix Lights. She saw them activity well
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: before the Phoenix Lights occurred. And on that night also
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: saw them. She also videotaped. She ended up writing a
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: book about this case. And she spoke with a public
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: information officer at Luke Air Force Base who admitted that
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: the sighting did in fact take place, but that they
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. He told her, and
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: I quote, We don't know anything. That's the bottom line.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: There was something there, but what it was, that's the question.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: No one knows. Until someone finds out what they were,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: God only knows. It definitely wasn't a Luke F-16. So Dr.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: Kitai also spoke with a lieutenant colonel at Davis-Monthan who
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: told her that their unit had been sending off flares
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: for the entire week before this incident. And as Lynn
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Kitai says, this meant that the flare explanation doesn't fit
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: because if the Phoenix lights were flares, the calls should
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: have been coming in every day, not just on March 13th.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: So UFO researchers were all over this. Researcher John Greenwald said,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: submitted a FOIA request, Freedom of Information Act, and requested
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: Luke Air Force Base to release any documents relating to
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: this incident. And Luke Air Force Base promptly replied that
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: they had no response regarding the Phoenix Lights and that
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: it wasn't them. And the story was just snowballing. But
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: nobody was investigating it at all. nobody within government. In fact,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: really the only government official at all to investigate this
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: incident was city council member Frances Barwood, and she fell
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: into it by accident. She was on her way to
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: a city council meeting on May 6, and she was
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: stopped on the steps by a television crew who asked
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: to speak with her about the Phoenix Lights, and they
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: told her that they had been turned away by every
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: level of government and that nobody would talk to them
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: or investigate this, And Frances Barwood said that she didn't
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: know anything about these so-called lights, but she would make
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: an inquiry. And she was surprised to hear this and
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: asked the city council manager, Frank Fairbanks, whether there was
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: any investigation into this. And apparently there wasn't. And so
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: she tried to unite the city council to ask Luke
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: Air Force Base for answers but the council refused and
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: she continued to press the issue and this is when
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: the ridicule began but she didn't give up because immediately
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: after she made a statement on this she received a
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: flood of calls from witnesses looking for answers and as
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: Frances Barwood says and I quote there were 37 calls
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: the first day After that, it climbed into the hundreds.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: I got calls from doctors, lawyers, celebrities. A Little League
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: coach called to say both teams and their families had
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: seen this. Most wanted their names kept out of it,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: but they wanted answers. Heck, if I'd seen it, I'd
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: want answers too. One call that really impressed Frances Barwood
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: came from a man who was throwing a Hale-Bopp viewing
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: party at his home, and he told her that he
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: and all 20 of his guests had observed the objects.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: So this really freaked her out and she found herself
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: at the center of media attention. She was both ridiculed
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: for interest in the Phoenix Lights and was conversely sought
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: after for interviews. She realized she had a very sticky
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: situation on her hands. She called the mayor's offices and
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: the Mayor had no statement. She called Governor Fife Symington.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: He did not cooperate. He had no information. She called
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: the office of Senator John McCain, and he also said
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: he knew nothing about it. She told reporters, and I quote,
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: It's like a hot potato. No one wants to touch this.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Do we have a bunch of wimps who are afraid
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: to look into this? She began to speculate that the
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: Air Force was actually covering this up. Or, as she says,
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: was it that they knew what it was and they
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: didn't want to say? In another interview, she said, It
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: was about this time that some very peculiar things regarding
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: the lights and the government's reports concerning them became obvious,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: that I was cast as a total flake. The reports
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: that bothered me the most and probably solidified my resolve
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of this were the contradictory
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: reports offered by the Phoenix Police Department. According to Francis Barwood,
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: a police spokesperson had revealed in a television interview that
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: the police station had been overwhelmed with calls on the
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: night of the event. However, a few days later, an
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: official memo from this same police department said that they
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: received only five calls. As Francis Barwood says... that inconsistency
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: itself was enough to make me believe that something was amiss.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: In January of 1998, she held a press conference in
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: which she said, and I quote, the issue is not
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: whether or not they were flying saucers. The issue is
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: why the government has refused to tell the American public
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: what exactly these lights were. What is just as frustrating,
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: if not more so, is the fact that the information
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: we do get either keeps changing or contradicts what we
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: were told previously. So despite all this attention, Frances Barwood
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: was eventually voted out of the office of the city council.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: And as it turned out, as she says, and I quote,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: the government never interviewed even one witness. All I wanted
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: to do was investigate this and never said anything about extraterrestrials.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: How could they possibly not know about these craft flying
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: low over major population centers? That's inconceivable, but it's also frightening.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: And Frances Barwood, she said that she actually talked to
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: many high-level military officials who told her, and I quote,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: we were afraid to say publicly what they saw because
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: they were told it would be the end of their career.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: So as a result of all this attention, Frances Barwood
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: decided that she would run for the Arizona Secretary of
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: State and promised to look into the Phoenix lights. As
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: she says, this is a public safety issue of state
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: and national significance, which should not, in good conscience, be
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: ignored by a responsible candidate. We need to get back
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: to what's really important, like our constitutional rights and our
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: state rights. We have to have someone who's willing to
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: stick her neck out to protect our freedoms. Unfortunately, Frances
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: Barwood was ridiculed and called the UFO candidate. All she
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: wanted to do was get to the bottom of what
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: was happening. When she was a city council person, she
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: said she did receive a call from a gentleman who
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: said he had filmed it and that the footage was outstanding.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: He said it came very low over his house and
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: he caught really good unmistakable footage and he wanted to
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: turn it over to her and she said that she
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: would send someone from her office to pick it up
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: however before that could happen she spoke again with this
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: witness who thanked her for sending someone over to pick
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: up the footage and she said what are you talking
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: about I didn't send anybody over and the gentleman said
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: that well two gentlemen dressed in suits and said that
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: they were from your office and retrieved the footage and
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: took it away. And she told the gentleman, I don't
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: have any men who work at my office. I only
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: have three women. So apparently these are secret government agents
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: who took this footage, which has never been returned. Frances
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: Barwood wanted to interview this gentleman, but he became ill,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: was rushed to the hospital, and apparently passed away. Or
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: she's not sure because, uh, He never returned to his home.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: The neighbors do not know what happened to him, and
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: she was not able to find any other information. So, yeah,
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: she ran for office but did not get elected. Meanwhile,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: the office of Governor Fife Symington calls were coming in
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: nonstop with people and witnesses asking for answers. And at
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: the end of August, more than five months after the incident,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: Governor Fife Symington held a press conference during which he
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: promised the media that he would assign a special investigator
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: to look into the incident and investigate what people had seen.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: But it was only a few days later that Governor
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: Symington called another press conference saying that he had found
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: the culprit. And reporters... were absolutely stunned when a person
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: wearing an alien costume walked into the room. Governor Fife
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: Symington said, this is who is responsible for the UFO reports.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: He was making it a complete joke. And boy, were
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: people angry, writes researcher Bill Burns. And I quote, For
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: those people who believed they'd been witness to a real
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: UFO event, and for many others who claimed some sort
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: of contact with alien beings, either through abduction or previous sightings,
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: Governor Symington's news conference was an insult. The news conference,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: if it had been an attempt to throw cold water
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: on the rumors of a UFO invasion, actually served the
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: opposite purpose. Observers were now more convinced than ever that
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: there was some kind of official cover-up going on. Witnesses
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: were put off by the Air Force's denials, the apparent
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: inability of local governments to come up with an explanation,
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: and now the deliberate attempt to make fun of the event.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: What was going on? Meanwhile, at Senator McCain's office, there
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: was a lot of pressure to investigate the Phoenix Lights,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: and after being contacted by Francis Barwood's office, Senator McCain said,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: agreed to contact the Air Force to request an investigation
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: of the incidents, but the Air Force declined, saying again
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: that they do not investigate UFO reports. And Senator McCain,
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: like Francis Barwood, found himself stymied, and in a television
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: interview he said, I don't know any good answers to
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: it except to say, so far, we have found no
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: evidence of black helicopters, or alien invasion, or anything of
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: that nature, but there has been an inability to explain
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: reports that some have made about the presence of lights.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: So few other UFO events in history have rocked government
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: like the Phoenix Lights. And there are some reports that
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: even the White House was aware of the events. According
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: to reporters Steve Wilson of the Arizona Republic and researcher
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: Jim Dilatar, on the night of the Phoenix Lights, the
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: government went on DEFCON 3 alert. And he says that
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: President Clinton actually disappeared from public view for a period
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: of hours. And another weird thing, on that same night,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: a satellite that was supposed to detect incoming missiles actually malfunctioned.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: And to cap it off, the magazine Scientific American printed
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: a story which stated that strong bursts of gamma radiation
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: were detected on March 13, the night of the Phoenix Lights.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: So while the political leaders in Phoenix fumbled to deal
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: with this event, most of the citizens and researchers who
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: looked into this case came away absolutely convinced. One of
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: the best researchers on this case is Dr. Lynn Kitai
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: and her book, The Phoenix Lights, and researcher Bill Hamilton's book,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: The Phoenix Lights Mystery, are probably the most comprehensive reports
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: of this incredible event. This event has, of course, been
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: portrayed in many UFO programs. Probably the best treatment was
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: in the Jonathan Fox documentary, I Know What I Saw.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: There was another award-winning documentary called The Phoenix Lights, which
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: did an excellent job covering this case. Peter Davenport of
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: New Fork was, of course, very impressed by the He
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: says he's never received as many calls for a single
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: event as that one. And as he says, and I quote,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: the incident over Arizona was the most dramatic I've seen.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: What we have here is the real thing. They are here.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: This case is not closed by any means. In my judgment,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: the events that took place over Arizona remain the most
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: dramatic UFO sighting report that I am aware of. Researcher
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: Bill Hamilton, who observed the lights, interviewed witnesses, and wrote
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: a book on the case, says, Many researchers believe that
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: the Phoenix Lights was not an accidental sighting, but was
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: actually showing off to witnesses. One of them is Stephen Greer,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: who writes, this certainly suggests that the objects indeed wanted
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: to be seen. One gentleman by the name of Ed Dames,
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: who is well known for being a remote viewer, basically
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: a government spy, caused an uproar when he said the
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: Phoenix Lights were actually lasers powered by humans and the
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: whole event was a hoax. Most researchers do not agree
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: with this. And nor do they agree with the flare theory,
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: of course. But researcher David Rapp, who is a laser
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: specialist for the aerospace industry, absolutely disagreed with Ed Dames
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: and wrote a scathing article for the Mufon Journal in
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: which he explained all the reasons why this laser theory
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: is untenable for multiple reasons. And again, there were videotapes
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: and photographs taken. Some of these were apparently flares. Bruce
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: McApee did study some of these videotapes and said that, yeah,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: some of these were, in fact, flares. He also believes
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: that many witnesses believe that Air Force officials were aware
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: of the Phoenix Lights and dropped the flares on purpose
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: to confuse the issue and provide a scapegoat. but other
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: films appear to show the real thing. Photographic analyst Jim
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: Dilateso received multiple amateur videotapes taken on that night, and
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: he was able to determine that there were at least
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: four separate flights over the city lasting for a period
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: of about two hours. And he says these videotapes show
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: that the lights were uniform, they did not vary in
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: intensity or brightness, and he is unable to match them
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: with any known aircraft. In January of 1999, Peter Gersten
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: of the UFO group Citizens Against UFO Secrecy filed a
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: suit against the DOD, the Department of Defense, claiming that
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: the government failed to respond adequately to his FOIA request
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: asking for documents related to the Phoenix Lights. A 30-minute
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: hearing was held. and Gersten held up the forms he
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: had received from the Department of Defense, which stated, documents found.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: But he never got the documents, and now the Department
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: of Defense reversed its position completely, changed their story, and
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: returned a form to Peter Gersten saying, documents not found. Then,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: in March of 2000, Judge Stephen McNamee ruled in favor
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: of the Department of Defense's And in his decision, he
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: stated that this case is not one over the existence
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: or non-existence of UFOs, but whether the government has conducted
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: a reasonable search regarding information on specific aerial modes of transportation.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: Long story short, he sided in favor with the defense,
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: the DOD, and no documents were released. And this is
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: when the real shocker came. It was years after the
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: incident when Governor Fife Symington, who had since retired and
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: was now a pastry chef, revealed that he not only
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: believed the Phoenix Lights were real, he was a personal eyewitness.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: And he released a long statement, as he says, and
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: I quote, in 1997, During my second term as governor
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: of Arizona, I saw something that defied logic and challenged
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: my reality. I witnessed a massive delta-shaped craft silently navigate
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: over Squaw Peak, a mountain range in Phoenix, Arizona. It
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: was truly breathtaking. I was absolutely stunned because I was
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: turning to the west looking for the distant Phoenix lights,
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  Speaker 1: and to my astonishment, this apparition appeared. This dramatically large,
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  Speaker 1: very distinctive leading edge appeared with some enormous lights, was
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  Speaker 1: traveling through the Arizona sky. As a pilot and former
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  Speaker 1: Air Force officer, I can definitively say that this craft
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: did not resemble any man-made object I'd ever seen, and
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  Speaker 1: it was certainly not high-altitude flares, because flares don't fly
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  Speaker 1: in formation. This incident was witnessed by hundreds, if not thousands,
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  Speaker 1: of people in Arizona, and my office was besieged. with
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: phone calls from very concerned Arizonians. The growing hysteria intensified
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: when the story broke nationally. I decided to lighten the
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: mood of the state by calling a press conference where
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: my chief of staff arrived in an alien costume. We
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: managed to lessen the sense of panic, but at the
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: same time upset many of my constituents. I would now
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  Speaker 1: like to set the record straight. I never meant to
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  Speaker 1: ridicule anyone. My office did make inquiries as to the
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  Speaker 1: origins of the craft, but to this day they remain unanswered,
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  Speaker 1: and eventually the Air Force claimed responsibility saying that they
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: dropped flares. This is indicative of the attitude from official channels.
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  Speaker 1: We get explanations that fly in the face of facts.
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  Speaker 1: Explanations like weather balloons, swamp gas, and military flares. I
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  Speaker 1: was never happy with the Air Force's silly explanation. There
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  Speaker 1: might very well have been military flares in the sky
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  Speaker 1: that evening, but what I and hundreds of others saw
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that. I now know that
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  Speaker 1: I am not alone. There are many high-ranking military, aviation,
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: and government officials who share my concerns. While on active duty,
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: they have either witnessed a UFO incident or have conducted
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: an official investigation into UFO cases relevant to aviation safety
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: and national security. By speaking out with me, these people
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: are putting their reputations on the line. They have fought
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: in wars, guarded top-secret weapons arsenals, and protected our nation's skies.
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  Speaker 1: We want the government to stop putting out stories that
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: perpetuate the myth that all UFOs can be explained away
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: in down-to-earth conventional terms. Investigations need to be reopened. Documents
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: need to be unsealed. And the idea of an open
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: dialogue can no longer be shunned. Incidents like these are
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: not going away. About a year ago, Chicago's O'Hare International
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: Airport experienced a UFO event that made national and international headlines.
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  Speaker 1: What I saw in the Arizona sky goes beyond conventional explanations.
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  Speaker 1: When it comes to events of this nature that are
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: still completely unsolved, we deserve more openness in government, especially
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: our own. I could not agree more. And kudos to
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: Fife Symington for finally coming clean. So that's the Phoenix Lights.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: This is perhaps the most famous and widely viewed single
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: UFO event since the modern age. of UFOs began in 1947,
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: and that's why I think it definitely deserves the number
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  Speaker 1: one spot. So there you go. That is the top
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  Speaker 1: 20 countdown of best cases. And again, it was really
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: hard to come up with this list. There were some
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: cases I just really wanted to include, but there wasn't room.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's, of course, cases involving repeated visits at
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: the Yuma drive-in. Really would have liked to talk about those.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: or perhaps the incredible events that are going on at
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: the Stardust Ranch in Rainbow Valley. There's a whole book
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: about that case. UFO sightings at Marana Air Force Base,
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: possible existence of an underground base in the Superstition Mountains.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there were a lot of cases that just
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: didn't make the cut. So it was, again, yeah, really
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: hard to include all of these cases on a top
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  Speaker 1: 20 list. I did cover all these cases and more
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  Speaker 1: in my book, UFOs Over Arizona, A True History of
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: UFO Encounters, of Extraterrestrial Encounters in the Grand Canyon State,
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  Speaker 1: which goes into quite a bit more detail on these
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  Speaker 1: top 20 cases and, of course, hundreds of others. Arizona,
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, is a major producer of UFO reports.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: And it has really shaped our understanding of the UFO phenomena.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, with the Phoenix Lights being the most famous
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: case perhaps in history. The Travis Walton case is one
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: of the most famous abduction events of all times. The
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: Paradise Valley crash is absolutely one of the best events.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: verified UFO crash retrieval cases. So as you can see,
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: Arizona has played a powerful role in our understanding of
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: the UFO phenomenon. That's why I wanted to do this
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: episode presenting the top 20 cases. I hope you've enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: I really appreciate you watching. Thank you very much. And
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  Speaker 1: that's it for now. So until next time, keep asking questions,
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  Speaker 1: keep searching for the truth. And most importantly, keep having fun.