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Emerald FlowShow #114: So Good, It's Bad · The Emerald FlowShow

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to episode 114 of the Emerald Flowshow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Gerard Baku-Paul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And first thing I need to do, Paul Bal that you've returned is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that you did while you were away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought the conversation you had with Alan Forrell on his pro West paradise podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've Peter P. Torch was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you talked about the scourge of heels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know that that definitely was a ton of fun to record, I think we kind of went like I think we went like in a bunch of different directions, but I think it's necessary because like it seems like it's straight for a topic But I don't think it actually really is like I think it actually goes like into a bunch of like there's a bunch of different reasons for why things are the way they are right now
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, while they also do look very similar, there are slight differences between the different promotions as well and we also kind of going into kind of the origins of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of like the like here's table as well, right, we're like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like talking about like, like, all the pen moments and everything and the 80s and all of that and kind of how like it's that kind of one of the influences as well as kind of also like there's a big like, like, lucha component as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you just kind of look at like all of the different bookers and what their influences are, like they're like big like 80s, Joe she's at 90s, like lucha fans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like that kind of explains why a lot of that kind of stuff is now present.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in like current day wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that was that was a shitload of fun to record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously more clarification that havoc are not heels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that was literally the start of the entire fake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I come on for this, I have to talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go on so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have one more hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because I was on Omakase.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, very recently, recorded three days ago, actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you can listen to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Going to be going over some of the stuff that we're actually going to go over here as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was kind of dipping into like a bit more like joy and everything like if you if you really want to listen to me and John Barry Murray gold for like I would understand that you wanted it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, we had we had parts about our water
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also actually, yeah, you also want to hear me, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to give that away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not going to say which match it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you want to listen to that, I will be talking about what I consider to be the worst match I have ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's quite the, that's quite the solid point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, from there, we will go to Noah Russell Odyssey 2 from October 25th, and feels for some reason if I'm like, it's only the 29th, it feels longer than this show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it's literally like, it was like on Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, well, because I've been watching all these little ol' japan of kairosho's every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're in a 453 fans, which honestly for us, Noah's show is in bad, but they decided to do a very stupid angle above us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I'm so angry about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So angry about that itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, nighter really needs, like I said that in my classes, well, nighter needs to shut the fuck off, like it's like, why are you doing this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You do 600 people more than last year, like, like, to sell that as an in-story line, like, like failure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's like, like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: to have achievements like celebrate your actual achievements don't make up like fake goals that you can't fucking reach and then get angry when you don't reach them when you actually are like putting up like some pretty impressive numbers again like being 600 people up a year or a year is fucking great like celebrate that fact and not be like oh we didn't draw what new Japan dream well nobody fucking expects you to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is, so it's so fucking stupid like it's like no there's nobody out there It's like clamoring for like, oh, I really want Noah to draw like the same thing is like like like No, nobody expects that I don't think like maybe like the most illusion of the new of Noah fans that could possibly exist What expect that but like I don't know like I think 99% of the people have watched Noah like no like obviously You're not gonna draw the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like new Japan would be nice if you did but like you just that's just not what you are
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, it's trying too hard to be too many different things and it's all of us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you watch the dark batch?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did watch the dark match actually, it was fun just kind of all action and everything right like it's Reflexory and a Mickey right there like kind of like have like a few going there as well Also Cotoga made a comment on like after the match right because he's the g-ricks champion Yes about like how that probably makes like great angry that like the champion can't even make the main card of an hour Oh, I was gonna say this is like
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[SPEAKER_00]: A bigger burial of the G-Rex Championship than one, even Alinman was a new Japan with the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes!
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it really is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to be fair, the promotion has also like fallen down where it's since then, but still like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what is the limit announcement or did I already miss it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, wait, what's that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let me, let me see if I can find it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, pretty sure I put it in the, in the puro channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think, oh, did it already get eaten by slack?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it might have already gotten eaten.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I, it's in the great channel in the discord.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, and I said, October 31st.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was a suit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you guys son.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like, what else could it be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's like, and look, I want them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want them to kind of become afraid of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want them to kind of just be everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also he'll stay with great, but then like, show up in big Japan and all Japan and zero.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't even necessarily think he needs to stay with great like I was more thinking like if he wants to like I don't know like pop up and to like drag and get as well Like I wouldn't want him to become like a guy that is actually signed to drag and get Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I would want him to be like a guy that it's like like more like toy Well like yeah, he he comes there regularly and everything and he can still be involved in feuds and all of that But like otherwise he's also like just gonna be like basically almost every fucking promotion at once to book him
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I mean I'll just brought us out with what at fairly serious injuries, isn't it like some stintosis?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that also works, we'll see, then you can see them, so we'll see, for some reason not shocked me if he just writing up a new Japan I may propossibly, but like my thing failing on that is basic is like they gave him a really extended like try out essentially like a couple years ago And they didn't sign him after that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but she was still being a helicopter parent of that plan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, okay, and that's fair, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: say, and now it's going to be like, oh, yeah, she must go on, so no, we can actually bring you a night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you built the court has been broke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has been cut in everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll go to the first match for the GSC, junior heavyweight tag team titles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yo, hey, in June, Massachusetts, Oh God, defeated Alonto, Dekio to Shiva.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1320, with the ambitions from the Massachusetts, Oh God, Oh, to Shiva to make their first defense of the title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was really good and I kind of thought it would and I was looking concerned about if it would be but no it delivered because these guys are all great even despite the you know I just have like automatically like triggered by team 2,000 x matches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was very well-extracted, but this was...
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is fun with Ali in most... Yeah, not... Yeah, it was mostly clean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this was a great open.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of going back to that, like... You know, you know, the kind of thing like the promotions are used to do, like especially like New Japan during like its peak, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a big show, you put the junior tag title on first, so that people can like, that people are hyped up for the rest of the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they saw something of consequence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was also just like high action and everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And instead of just starting off the show with like, I don't know, like, like the next match, for example, which is just like an absolutely nothing match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the crowds just kind of like, eh, instead, you know, you get a crowd that like sees like a really cool fucking tag match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're all like fucking hype to see, like, what else will happen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, guess who is this telling this badge?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I mean, but I mean, once again, Ode Schema was a standout.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am, of course, a Yale-Hale Apologist, but NASA, OK, and I would also, I was really good, but Ode Schema's one of the best in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he really, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to say, like, can you, like, he's at least top 50 in the world easily, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm, like, I would have to, like, make that actualist, but I'm pretty sure, like, he'd be, like, he would probably be still a bit more towards the,
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[SPEAKER_01]: bottom of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe actually a bit higher than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like I think especially once he like fully emerge as an actually just gets to like carry mattress to like proper like long like title mattress and everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's definitely gonna be like a guy that everybody all of a sudden would be like, oh, this guy's great, but it's like no, he's been great since he started essentially.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we had a forward match in the Alpha-Hulfed Tatus Gate, uh, if you need to answer your end of the Udokoyanagi bushian where you say, and Kazuki Fujita and Black men's arrayed for 17, with a package pile driver, uh, from Wolf on Koyanagi, and this is just getting everybody on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, where's the everybody's time?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's literally just twice as many people in the match as time for the match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's, like, did everybody even tag in, I don't think so, but it just physically isn't enough time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so we go to the final Maybach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Masa Kittamine and Takashi Sugira defeated Kenta and Maybach, Tantaguchi in 1048 with a diving centon from Kittamine on Tantaguchi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is no mercy returns for one night only.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, the crowd liked it and you know, was a spitting sendoff for a notorious character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of an interesting juxtaposition of something that was, I think on the whole Maybach was a net negative for the entire promotion, not just Tannigushi, given the challenges it faced during the peak Maybach era.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's sort of also interesting to put it on this show, which also shows
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no, like the May back time a good show, I mean, it's a nice send off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's very what this was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it wasn't even supposed to be a good match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just there for like May back to run for like all of his signature stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like for the fans to have a good time and it achieved that goal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the final time, a good shoot match will be on the, yeah, super, very first shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what's like the great, he gets a retire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The giveaway could have retired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, hey, why not?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at least he doesn't get the, like, they didn't get two shows built around them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that would have been weird if we had gotten, like, a may back ton of good G, like, retirement show, and then also to show a ton of good G retirement show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that would have sold as much as the, uh, as to Buddha show, so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and no, you're probably right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So next up, the J.C.200 title, should you call Joe, defeating, hi, 131 seconds or 91 seconds via countout and condo, one of the titles we give a second champion and the failed second offense and hi, it sounds like he's towards ACL if I'm not mistaken.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he thought he's out for like the tournament and everything like he's gonna be gone for a while And this is the second time he has iterative self in a title match remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it's so that's how Ninja Mac.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Ninja Mac one the one the junior title
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like, it's not like he was ever like fall off like explosiveness, so I don't think we'll be able to go through that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we'll be able to go through that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don't think we'll be able to go through that, I don
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, no, obviously, like, I think Conno can, like, if that was even the intention, that's not the problem though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And next up, special tag batch, Fangs of Rebellion, Kato Kibi and Yoshiki in a word, if you're Keto and Kuga in 25-15 with the Skywalker Albo from Kiyomiya on Kuga.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Paul, this is the best no match all year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, this is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went four and three quarter stars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just to be everyone was amazing here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that Inamura versus Koga stuff was incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I compared this to like a holy demon army versus Missawa and Junakiyama match with Kuga being Akiyama, the young guy with the proof, kind of the veteran, and then, you know, Kumiya and Inamura
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[SPEAKER_00]: because he dares poke up to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't even know where to begin, but you know what my first take about this match once it was over?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This match was so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It needed the rest of the company look even worse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, because it's like, well, this is what you could be doing, actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, like this is, this is kind of what this roster's actually capable of, if you kind of just let them kind of like, like basically just do their own thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't even have to do that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this was literally just Kuga going,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are supposed to be at the top of the promotion but I think you're kind of lazy so I'm just gonna like light a fire under you and a work like I think in a mirror especially has to speed like completely revitalized by this like feud yeah it looks like speed looks like such a fucking badass like in this match and that's yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of also decided to show up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of all of the decided to show up, which again, kind of showed like, no, and like, kind of give me a can still go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that like, yeah, just like that match with us, I was just bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is definitely no best match with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing better, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's been, no, like, I think it's very easily the best match of the area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... he wanted from maybe one from a number uh... and that was in me oh okay yeah he wanted in me okay so i mean i would go either his words in more or this is the back no back to the years of the time or actually like maybe cannabis in a more as well yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's also up there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that, to me, this is, this is it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you after a certain point like what you did 20 minutes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you actually think Kogo was still going to eat the fall?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kiana, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't even think it wasn't gonna eat the fall, but I was not like building a wall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, maybe they're building tall because it's gonna be a shock ending.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which would have been amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that would have been like, in that case, I probably could go like, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then takes a circuit of the energy drink afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, speaking of what this company is, for the JC natural title, Luis Montet, I'd definitively achieve our food in 2012, 22 with Vuelta Finale, and then Montet is the 21st champion in Marifus, he fails on his fifth defense, and this is a preview of the main event sort of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, this was, this was, I would say, the main event, the main event was way better than this, like this was just bad, like it was nothing, I don't think it ain't, I don't think it's a thing, like it's happening at the timing about this, yes, yes, okay, I do, I think I know where you're talking about, but yes, in terms of like, yeah, Martin's just not that interesting as a single word.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to be fair, I think people have identified now that he actually got stuck on the ropes and that's why the spot looked at weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, it's still locked bad and the rest of the match was also bad, so I don't feel like, maybe again, if that spot had actually gone off correctly,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it wouldn't have saved a match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put it that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it feel a bit more positive about it But that like because the that spot got fucked up so badly I think there is just nothing redeeming about this match really like it's just bad
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's not a great start and sort of a bit of a wet fart to end our Fuji's reign, which is, yeah, sort of like, you know, a revitalization of him and everything like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, like I don't even mind like him losing on a big show like this and everything, but it's just really couldn't have found anyone better than Luis Monte.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, and of course they did, they had to unmaskin before the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the other thing, why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that whole connection also doesn't make any fucking sense now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like the tea stem being like in L.T.J., which he very clearly isn't because he wasn't in the role call after the main event.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like the only connection that exists there is that Valdea Mante was like in CMLL at the same time as like Bushy and
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they didn't really like interact at much for each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they were just in the same promotion together like what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 15 years ago?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like who gives it shit?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, somebody in the booking office loves very clearly thought that's worth the super smart of the hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So next up is the GHE tag team title three of our batch, Manavus Soya, and you can you know, defeat a Shane Hasten, Mike Enicles, and Carl Anderson in Doc Gallows with the passion clutch from Edo on to Hase, which is a huge win for Edo, actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they make their third defense, I mean, that's not some people really negative on this match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was fine, but it's like, you didn't have to go all this time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you put it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can also have that made it so much worse like I think if you make like an individual one with like combination of either or of any of those teams that would have vastly preferred that to this.
21:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
21:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is haste and you could tell what haste doesn't care.
21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
21:47
[SPEAKER_01]: very clear yeah and Mikey Nichols did not make any sort of impact that's now you don't need to bring up people waiting to see if you would but he didn't didn't fix it you know so we'll see what happens right yeah I mean I would be surprised if he takes around like it goes to coming out no no I meant I meant
22:13
[SPEAKER_01]: because it's also they came out in like the like TMDK gear, like which obviously makes sense, right?
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it is like TMDK's return to Noah, but like again, like Shane Hayfe technically is in a different factory, didn't Noah.
22:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I guess I mean, I'm like, the good brothers, you're gonna come back?
22:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
22:31
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think they said, I think they tease being back.
22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think they said, I think I'll end as and said something along the lines of like, this isn't going to be the last time.
22:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're going to have them for these titles.
22:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm newsy, probably.
22:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could see that.
22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, we'd definitely say that for sure.
22:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then to the semi-main event for the Jc Junior heavyweight title, Kai-Footje-Border defeated Dragonbane at 1540 with a Death Hanger.
22:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I mean, okay, this was actually not bad.
23:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it did turn into the cliche of Team 2.00s towards the end, and this is definitely Kai-Footje-Mores best performance as champion.
23:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's fair to say.
23:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's very fair to say.
23:13
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, yeah, I just don't get what we're going with just like super long Kai food tomorrow, like title rain, or whatever.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
23:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so far, their matches just haven't been, like, their matches with each other just haven't been good.
23:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't know why, like, a third one, which then probably will be like, like, probably like Alejandro pouring up his mask against the title of something.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, maybe that one will be good, but, like, so far, I don't think they've shown ever that they have, like, amazing chemistry.
24:04
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it's kind of where I was thinking about it, isn't it?
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Usually the younger brother looking to succeed the older brother who's usually often portrayed as the asshole.
24:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically.
24:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's completely reversed here.
24:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's completely reversed in this case.
24:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the App-Start younger brother who's like outdoing their like older brother.
24:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, yeah, Fujimonde drops his title so you can stay in team 2000, actually think or is it going to be like a reconciliation?
24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see that happening.
24:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I'm kind of curious what will happen with like with Team 2,000 X in general.
24:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going forward because yeah, I don't, I don't know, we'll see what actually happens with them.
24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think we're definitely like, I mean, we have to see at this point it has to be some sort of major movement within the faction at some point because it's just so incredibly stale right now and just something needs to change, like in like a major way.
24:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
25:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and which also brings us to our main event, the GCHC have your championship.
25:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see a dad or the Ferozawa in 2547 with the Destino to make his first defense.
25:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, you were saying that the made event was better than an actual title.
25:15
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true, but that's not only because a dad or, I mean, sorry, Osawa was willing to like try to break his neck.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, no, absolutely, that's the most good, like it's still, it's actually, okay, you know, I've actually got a comparison for you.
25:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, which match this one remind of me of, it reminded me of the go-shir-zaki KG Muto GHC title match, the match for me and the title.
25:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was kind of like a similar thing where it was sloppy as hell, but it had that kind of like very like dangerous feel to it at the same time that made it work, that made the sloppiness work.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think this match was asked or does that match to be honest?
25:58
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I think that's what saved the match essentially.
26:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if that wasn't,
26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: If there weren't multiple cases in times in this match where Fort Osawa had just died, I don't think I would be like praising this match anyway, because there wasn't much else there.
26:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll praise that, but are the whole I think the goods back just couldn't.
26:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, make everyone look bad, and of course, you know, would you be shocked to learn that Bushy came out to even the odds and interviewed?
26:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
26:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he thought of the entirety of team 2,000 x by himself.
26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
26:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I hope this data range is not last packed, December 31.
26:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I just can't see how it can like like I don't think Nighto is even one to do it.
26:40
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the other thing But like I just don't see Nighto being like I am and I want to like do like fucking 25 minutes Main events like every month that sounds that seems like something I want to do with my body right now Well, like no, I think he's gonna like have that run.
26:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna run and then it's gonna run.
26:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's chorus to set my 31 He like wants his back to do Japan or what do you think I have?
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably if they'll have him, but like if if they'll have him I think he goes back there because like I mean He's a legend and everything and like I think now that's how it's been some time for them to like establish new guys and everything So that hopefully would mean they wouldn't then also try to like go back to the night Or well one more time and he can take more like a you know like midcard kind of like midcard like veteran kind of role We're like
27:30
[SPEAKER_01]: maybe he does still get like one or two more like title shots and everything but another wise he's just kind of like but I kind of like in the role that you know the likes of like Eugenicata and everything have been in for years now.
27:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So Kenoke about to challenge for the November 9th Corridor Hall show and I'm I will little curious about that because I think Kenoke gets something more out of
27:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I don't know.
28:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what kind of like effort level if I go to get from my toe.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's going to be a solder current, though.
28:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I feel like at least that, I hope that will help his like effort level is basically going to be like, well, the crowd's going to be hard for it.
28:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I still have no real sense of who's taking this title off of now.
28:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it has to be Kaito or, you know, more or really, like there are no options.
28:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm reading towards it anymore.
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now.
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually would also rather see an MRI to be honest.
28:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going like gun to my head.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be Kaito, but like I really would rather see an MRI and that's part.
28:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So some other things out of the show, Kenta and Tetsuya and Organity be challenging for the J.C. title set.
28:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And Lucas the sock is coming back on December 31st at Yokohama Buntai.
28:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yay.
28:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you think of all of those exciting things that he will do when he's back?
28:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why haven't Scott's really going to kick it up?
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They need somebody to take those pins and those six contacts.
29:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have this junior tournament that we didn't talk about in the last episode, but I'll just go quickly over with the participants.
29:11
[SPEAKER_00]: We got him.
29:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Fujimura, Bushi, Haroya Namiiki, who want a really great match over Koina to get an tournament, Alachandra, Kid Likeos 2, Yoki Sato from Michino Kupro, Daki Otashima, Jusoka, Shurji Kondo, Yohe, Tautisuke, Haroki, Sidney Akki, making his Noah debut, Kid Likeos
29:38
[SPEAKER_01]: it to have it's a black one sorry oh black runs away and then dragon bane um i don't know i mean it's not horrible why not i'll just start excited for it i don't understand i mean i think that's potential for it to be good right like it depends how deep like some of those like team 2,000 x guys goes i think that's kind of going to like massively influenced like i think Kai is going out wrong one i think Kai is like gonna get eliminated by bushy we are like some sort
30:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that makes too much sense, and it's on that show versus, you know, yeah, also like he would be facing Alejandro and Ron too.
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise.
30:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because Alejandro is losing to Nomeki, like that's not happening.
30:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And Alejandro is going to be bushy.
30:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Alejandro, I think again, Alejandro is probably like, again, to me it's like, either Alejandro or like, Dike or Ashima going to win the tournament.
30:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't think anybody else is like, you can't see what I should win, absolutely.
30:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, again, Dragon Bay and technique for Dragon Bay and just had a title shot, so it's like, that makes you a sense for him to win.
30:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, that's Noah.
30:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't do the way to say, but I've been beating on this, still and I talked about this.
30:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just in terms of like, this company, and other people are being sang.
30:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And this company gets so little out of so much resources and talent, and it's just, I don't know.
31:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Other than that, one tag title, sorry, not tag title, but tag matches.
31:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Midling or not good.
31:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would say the junior did junior attack, tie the match with good old.
31:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
31:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I felt like after the show, it was less of the sum of its parts.
31:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it was like a decision of undercover, but I just thought like, yeah, I did not.
31:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
31:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know.
31:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't the hell that like the main events just aren't good, right?
31:26
[SPEAKER_01]: That the main events are not good right now, right?
31:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we just have to like, tattoo a night array and that like the attack.
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it is just a low ceiling on those like main events right now.
31:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's in that spot.
31:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we move on to Al Jepan and we have a lot of Al Jepan to talk about part of how much of the Hokkaido shows you've been watching.
31:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really had much time to watch.
31:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we won't get to those scenes.
31:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You haven't missed anything, huh?
31:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I really bigger anything like that.
31:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I missed a change of the most prestigious title.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: we'll get to that.
32:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So we start off with raising in our Memorial Series 2026 on October 22nd at Corridor Hall in front of 1454 fans.
32:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Super no big-assie Full House, although it's probably good to have got them 100 more and they're really want to get adequate about it.
32:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So we start off with the Dakke Suzuki Defitting Show to Confusion 517 with the double wrist lock.
32:23
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Hedaki, sort of just eating a guy out who also happens to be the Dakke's little partner these days.
32:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:31
[SPEAKER_00]: That was funny.
32:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Still teaching them a lesson that you must surpass the master.
32:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we had Musashi Sekiyoshioka, rising hiatus, hiatus, and yes, he asked to talk to Yano if you're getting Dan Tamara, Sego to talk to you about it.
32:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Oklahoma, and Uya, Aoki in 1330, with the herkin run up from hiatus on Tamara.
32:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was a great junior tag sprint build up match for their upcoming
32:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that was a lot of fun.
32:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, you kind of just got all of the good guys, essentially.
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I mean, basically, at the entire division in one match, like, it's still a fairly small division, but, yeah, no, there was a, there was a ton of fun.
33:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I'm looking forward to higher to versus time.
33:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Or I think that's going to be honestly, I think, to precious actually more like rising higher to to show up than it is on Dan.
33:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Dan really has been showing up this year.
33:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think like, higher to has to kind of like, we assert that he is actually supposed to be like the top guy in the division.
33:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, uh, askies out.
33:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So you got a really like, I feel like I don't had his thought.
33:29
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a time when last time that, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
33:39
[SPEAKER_00]: But Dan is like viving so hard right now.
33:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He does so good right now.
33:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now that's a guy for sure that is like actually I would make the upper half of my top 50 right now Yeah, absolutely and then Guy's case second motor and can go machine mode defeated go she was ackey and so while it's 1735 with the mooto on him for Machimo on so Waba and by god, this is the back of the night
34:06
[SPEAKER_00]: for me and it's funny because on the know show the exception of Kenna that tag that great tag rashes about the young guys this is the dad show that they can still go yes and it was like hard hitting what you wanted to be and
34:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I learned it so much that I was sick about okay, we just married it so well, Ms.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Arm.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, before Masha will put the moodle on it.
34:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And after she was occupied, after going taking a couple of falls, now it's time to swim and it take a fall and they swim.
34:40
[SPEAKER_00]: We're looking forward to the match and her keep encouraging each other.
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And these guys got either winner make it to the finals of the real world tagly.
34:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's actually drawn actually brought up a good point, like this might have been a preview for the final.
34:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they are in the iron opposite blocks.
34:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would not be surprised if basically right like like Dysuke and Kengo get like the win here and then in the like basically issue ago and so when I get the win back and the finals of the willful tactic.
35:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we've got Zion Odyssey, Sotaro Shino, and the debuted Cal Bloom, which defeated Jude Sato, Ray Sato, Mr. Sato and the rookie doing, sing your Sato in 1940 with the White 80 BC from Bloom on June.
35:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Cal Bloom is a very large man.
35:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He's so big.
35:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And uh, I think it's fair to say after this, watching this one performance and watching him on the, uh, a title shows.
35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: He is now the second best worker in avic.
35:45
[SPEAKER_00]: She is definitely better than Odyssey and Zion.
35:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I mean, like Odyssey, I'm not gonna be impressed if there is better than Odyssey, that was kind of like my minimum level essentially.
35:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But okay, you think it's better than Odyssey than Zion actually.
36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was also impressed with him in this match, but it's like, okay, that's like a one match sample size.
36:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to go too crazy over that dead there.
36:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like another big for no connection.
36:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He just knows how to play his role in type thing.
36:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And he moves better than Odyssey and he has more offense and Zion.
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Really think about it.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, no, I mean, I'm all for it because like I was looking at it, I was like, okay, this is like the perfect all Japan foreign guy just Yeah, true out of his skills just massive fucking human being and if he can then also kind of work that style that is for quiet then like perfect.
36:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I think he's going to be like a big deal then if he wants to stick around.
36:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah For sure, I don't want to all the hype is rustling at going.
36:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying he stands out
36:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
37:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I still thought this was also very good, you know, DQ finished the side and everything like that.
37:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But the point was that their building towards cocoon versus, and probably on December 31st, it has not been officially announced, but I'm sure that's where it's headed.
37:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought this was a perfectly good build-up tag for that.
37:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I actually really like this much.
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I know, DQ, finishen all of that.
37:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And we began to talk about it with Alan, right?
37:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's not that Aljapan is no heals.
37:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that they import their heals.
37:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I think also that Gadadoku Rose just much more effective as heals in like Aljapan and they are in their actual home promotion.
37:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it also helps the database.
37:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I say Gadotokuro, but really, it's just, it's Kikuta, Kato and Ishiin.
38:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the other, the other scum is like there, all the pants, like, you can stay and over and like, try and get, like, we want the free guys that we actually like.
38:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, like, because all the pants never, like, see, like, heels treating, like, this was actually over.
38:17
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, like people were actually fucking outraged at like how dare like how dare these like outside as well like come in and like mess with our boys and yeah, well, this was super overall and also again, the act the referee didn't look like an idiot because he immediately disqualified them and they put their hands on him.
38:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
38:37
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
38:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And as I also didn't look like an idiot because he immediately laid out Kikuta after the DQ.
38:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes Did not look like a T2,000x tile in your turn.
38:47
[SPEAKER_01]: No, really like imagine like how much shorter Like mattress and Noah would be if like the referee what actually informs this what's like Oh, you lay your hands on me once while you're like this man is over immediately.
39:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, for sure
39:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, it's probably just about over time.
39:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I, no one's been it.
39:06
[SPEAKER_00]: No one for Balgipans, but he knows for any drag and get shows coming up.
39:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Have it because I have not seen that.
39:10
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm assuming that we're going to get an announcement though.
39:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably maybe something during the real world tag we get this will be the match and December 31st, right?
39:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but like, Anzeva Skikuta.
39:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:23
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that has already been announced.
39:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Has it?
39:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, because I thought I looked, oh, is it on the, it was, last time I checked, it was not.
39:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is.
39:31
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right, you're right.
39:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It was not.
39:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that's weird.
39:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It, because it got put up, because we are in Ayoyaki, Versiyara, Ayoyaki, spoiler alert, and then Genki Hinawa's, uh, give you a put up immediately or, we're put up immediately.
39:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Um,
39:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So that takes us to the main event, can't tell me how hard if it ain't writing behind in 23, 56 from the Shaddam German Suplex Hold.
39:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't sure what to think of this at first going into it, but they actually got me, because I thought Honda worked a little harder towards the end, trying to make something a little different there.
40:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Not radically different than your usual, can't tell match, but it actually did better than I thought it was in the end.
40:10
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of all?
40:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of came away from this being like I don't think I kind of have to just eat grown and admit that like I don't think Honda has it yeah it was fine like it was not a bad match but I think it's really hard to have a bad triple cron match with Kendromia Hara and she know has had like
40:29
[SPEAKER_01]: like multiple chances over like the last couple of weeks to like really like step up and get to that next level and I just don't think he has like right like his match of counter and the roll road like with again fine you could make the argument that they were like trying to like save some stuff for this much but I don't think
40:47
[SPEAKER_01]: They really did that much more in this match.
40:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, the main event with like, you might aoyagi, like the Royal Road Final, right?
40:55
[SPEAKER_01]: That that was good, but it was massively overshadowed by like, and I wasn't human on the same card.
41:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And this again, this one as well, but it's just like,
41:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, it was fine, but as he said, like, this wasn't your favorite match on the card.
41:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this wasn't my favorite match on the show either.
41:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And if, like, if you're like a young guy coming up that is supposed to, like, ascend to, like, that next level.
41:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we can walk away from that show and neither of us would even seriously think about considering his match, the best match on the show.
41:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't the bad match, but it just isn't enough to be at that top level.
41:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think he just has it.
41:35
[SPEAKER_00]: right and so that's sort of the problem because I think book moving forward he seems to be lost in the booking too.
41:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah right there's no no direction for him after this batch because no well we'll talk about what he's doing to the real world lately.
41:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, well, let's just talk about the real world technically down before we jump into the Hokkaido tour, because, well, you know.
42:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So, we have the teams in block, June, Saturn, Ray, Saturn, Zion, and Odyssey, Sue Wavanko, Shiozaki, catch up to be a hire and heal-o-gala, which's got a huge pop, and that was announced.
42:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
42:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And as we just said, Reiki Hada, and Masa Yukiko, no.
42:17
[SPEAKER_00]: That's such a weird STM.
42:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And Musashi and Sekiyo Shiyoka, Renayave and Talos, is it Block B, sorry, yeah.
42:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Renayave and Talos, last year's one, here's the 10s of Klami, Wuma, Hedeki Suzuki and Timothy Thatcher returning, which was quicker than I thought, but makes sense.
42:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Cal Blue Richardaro Shito, which is all the fans answered to Enzo and Cass.
42:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
42:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
42:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Dizuke Sekamoto and Ken Go Machimo, and Dan Tamron, Seigo Tachibana, and it's going to be one A versus two B versus two A versus sorry, you know, first I screwed that up.
42:59
[SPEAKER_00]: The winner of block or the top point skitter in block A was will face the second place in block B and vice versa in the semifinals and then the finals on the last court can show on December 6.
43:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So technically, yes, it could be a rematch from the show of the dads or it could be something else.
43:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the one downside of that would be is that like, I don't know, do you mind, like, do you must really have a chance of winning?
43:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're already announced for like, big, like, matches for the summer, but then again, they've done that before, like, when us of the real world, it'll actually get fuck all to do on the, they're gonna, they're gonna check the challenge of the tag titles probably haven't on January 2nd or 3rd because you
43:55
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is, the January second and third shows are beginning to feel more like an afterthought since they moved to the December 31st big show model.
44:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
44:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's 20, 20.
44:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Four.
44:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
44:08
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason they're able to fill those shows now, because there's so many foreigners there.
44:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
44:13
[SPEAKER_00]: The double corkens.
44:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it would be fair I didn't even go to them this year.
44:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I did not go to either of the New Year's ones.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the cards just weren't good.
44:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they were just like I was looking at it and I was like, I ought to fucking see that.
44:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like I'm not gonna go and like watch like the fucking Odyssey main event in Hurricane.
44:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're not, eh?
44:36
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and like I think another one was actually overlapping with, like I think about like overlapping with other shows as well, like I remember when we were...
44:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the one on the third, the one that had like, well again, you had fucking Yes, I've took a Yano in the main event of that one.
44:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, of course guys return and like yeah, but that one overlet with my record and I was like, you know what, I'd rather watch like Mario Iwatani than like watch fucking like Yes, I took a Yano so it is super high.
45:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So with the
45:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so let's fast forward all the way back to the, uh, the final, uh, block shows, so the final Ablox shows on November 29th, that you made a sky building still a hall, and so that show has the side of us versus Ken to and Hio, O'Gawa, Zion and Otis versus Suama and Go, and Honda and Kono versus Mousashi and Sekiyo Shinoca, which definitely is not going to be a
45:35
[SPEAKER_00]: and deciding match.
45:36
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's probably more like either they're both already out or it's like the doing is not taking out the heavy weights here.
45:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm assuming that it's got to be the side, it was in Swam and Go, going forward, right?
45:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe is on an Odyssey?
45:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, but yeah, I feel like safe.
45:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the Cytoes.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, if I'm gonna go, yeah.
46:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the last B-block show on December 1st is when I'm out in Dallas versus the double humans, so that's definitely going to be who gets to go through and who doesn't.
46:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you also got Hadekki and that traverses Kalvunish Tarushino, which to go either way, I think.
46:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And you've got Second Motor and Mashi movers is Dan and Sego, which is definitely going to be.
46:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that actually makes me less fearless, like the final is going to be Dyskiverses, a Dysk and Kangiverses.
46:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So, while I'm going to go, because this just also screams like basically the dunes are upsetting to everybody's here,
46:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because I mean okay, because otherwise basically like that would mean like Ren Ayabe and Talos are already out of the running Right like it's somebody has to over you.
46:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I mean look it would not shock me if cow Bloomished how she didn't make it this size.
46:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean because they're challenging for the tactile already right like I isn't that on don't I have yet that's on this tour, right?
47:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I think it's going to get respect in the booking.
47:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing, yeah.
47:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
47:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And the last piece of news we should go over is Gecki Hennawas, because they're viewing December 31st against Gecki, and that's another big, you know, super rookie that they want out of this.
47:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, let me ask good size as well.
47:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
47:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's not quite as tall as the other guys, but he's like, got like,
47:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's the thing in like before Japan, right?
47:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's it's a small roster So if you have any kind of talent like you're gonna get chances on this roster.
47:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure Oh, and I made a note that I forgot to mention on the run sheet.
47:41
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're a ok in this real world tag league like think about it And it ok is a tag team
47:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, that would have been fun.
47:49
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been great.
47:49
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we get mother Yukikono for like, and here's the thing also I thought that maybe Kuma and Aoki were gonna be busy having a couple times before that things were announced, right?
48:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Or, you know, I mean, it kind of is here because Russell Vaughan, or whatever.
48:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, then you could have also done that with Kuma.
48:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You could have also had like, Honda and Kuma team.
48:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that actually would have been kind of a cool team just like, you know, the two like horses essentially team.
48:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that would actually have been kind of fun.
48:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
48:20
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, we got that instead.
48:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.
48:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the only like big negative.
48:26
[SPEAKER_00]: All the other teams I expected it's probably good for the match quality that those junior teams are in there to accent it, right?
48:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but other than, um, Zion and Odyssey, there's no, well, there's no real stinkers.
48:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Kono, I guess.
48:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
48:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, he's a serviceable, like he's not like, like he can stand around and be part of a
48:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
48:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So let us take, so you're in the watching me as a character tour?
48:58
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not that time, unfortunately.
49:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
49:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's fine, because I'm not going to go through this particularly closely, but you know, there were some stuff that I enjoyed on that kind of tour and stuff that was just kind of there.
49:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So, first of all, they're first to cut our shell and had okay, general wholesale, central distribution all from 250 cents on October 26th.
49:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like talking about the fact that they had WMS versus Hedetti and UAO key.
49:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, UAO key pinned AO key with the full, and that was a lot of fun.
49:29
[SPEAKER_00]: That was great.
49:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that sounds like a great match.
49:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that again makes it even weird that AO key isn't booked for the real world to act like.
49:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then Zion, Odyssey, and Cal Bloom, different June set of race set of Brennan, in 1458 with the 180PC from Bloom on Ray, better than you would think.
49:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to over-hype that, but...
49:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's also kind of how you make a guy, right?
49:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Like his first match, as he pins like a former triple crown champion.
49:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he... Champion as well.
49:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
49:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was that show.
50:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, and then I, the, uh, Toma, come, come, come, I city, General J. Dave, Nazium, uh, Ray said over to Seckier Shioca, defeated Seckier Shioca with the Nisha, the N show at 856.
50:14
[SPEAKER_00]: That was fun.
50:17
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like, say he took some crazy bumps.
50:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Seki running all over the place trying to hack away and raise knees and everything like that.
50:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a fun little match for what that was.
50:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Also this junior heavyweight title skirmish of humanansai, Ruzing Hacto, and Ryukihonda, defeating Dan Tamera.
50:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Say go talk to you about on UAA, okay?
50:36
[SPEAKER_00]: When Anzai Pentea, okay, with the Gimlin 1433, another really good match, um, and then they did a bit of the show was it for the six-man tag team titles.
50:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Go Shiozaki, you're my Aoyagi, and Yasutaki, I don't want to put it in deck and Suzuki, not so you can code on Shota Kufuji in 1915, with a German super-x-hold from Yano on Kufuji, uh, to win the titles, and the champions fall on their first defense and they said the new champions, which I kind of did not expect.
51:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, yeah, after they finally gave a title to go food, they didn't just immediately have it end.
51:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was good, actually.
51:11
[SPEAKER_00]: It was better than the other title match I thought on this tour.
51:15
[SPEAKER_00]: That has happened so far.
51:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get to that the second.
51:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But they really celebrated hard, but they won those titles.
51:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give them that.
51:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And that takes us to the show on the 29th that Yatsuba Arena, which was today's show.
51:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And on this show, the side of brother's versus right key, Hada, Dua, Aoki, Great Pineda,oki with the In Show, which is the head drop.
51:39
[SPEAKER_00]: This was a lot of fun.
51:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And watching this was like, this is why it's a shame.
51:45
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not that that's let the team, yeah, fair.
51:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?
51:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is probably better than anything any match like Kono's gonna have.
51:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I would assume just based on the molecular way you talk about it, it's like, yeah, I don't think.
51:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't think we're gonna have that kind of reaction to a Kono match.
52:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it was a good solid match.
52:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a lot.
52:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It was fun and Elki's been great, right?
52:07
[SPEAKER_00]: He's working hard for a job or at least a regular looking type thing.
52:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not working that many other places of a little great and a little big Japan still, but it's really all Japan a lot right now.
52:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't there be a hard hero go versus go and guess Takiyano not bad and then rising hydro and red I have a different damn tamarind sake of touchy bond in 1505 with the death roulette for my other anti-touchy bond and not bad.
52:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, maybe that was the all Asia tag titles.
52:34
[SPEAKER_00]: We're such in Sikyoshi Yoshio could have been in Hadekis, Turkey, and Cheroke of Fuji in 1620.
52:40
[SPEAKER_00]: with your show keep pinning, co-fruiting the crash driver, and it was fine, like, I don't know, three and a quarter three and a half, but I just didn't knock by socks off in the way that I just kind of maybe thinking it might.
52:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a little disappointing from that perspective, I don't know, right?
52:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like just based on Don't Paper, when I would have assumed that this would have been a great match, and I wasn't bad.
53:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It just didn't wasn't as great as I thought it could have been.
53:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean that that sucks.
53:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like did anybody else challenge for the titles?
53:10
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because we're gonna have to be fed.
53:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And like the last five minutes in this match was just like a singles match between Kofurji and Yoshio Krain.
53:19
[SPEAKER_00]: That feeling like this completely disappeared.
53:21
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a single game of shit.
53:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So you couldn't receive what you used to.
53:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, yeah, oh, it was a fat, yeah, make me have to finish something.
53:32
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the only real disappointment on this tour, but I mean, it's a, these shows are solid, easy watching, right?
53:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And then going off, they, they have a break tomorrow, and then it's the 31st.
53:43
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got, can't tell me a hard versus short of confusion.
53:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, uh, the set, it, and it takes you title skirmishes, the set of the Zion and Cal blue.
53:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I would just like to note that there was a, um, what was it?
53:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Felix was a Odyssey versus the Asantaca Yano singles match I watched and it was just horrible.
54:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't know, um, just like, uh, what's up the match?
54:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just watching it and I'm like, man, Odyssey is, well, I mean, not that it was good.
54:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, Cowboy just totally spoke some was what I was thinking about while I was watching.
54:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, to be fair, I mean, I didn't expect, like, I mean, to be fair, once I saw the side of him was like, okay, maybe there's something here, and I think it really feels like there is something there.
54:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just, you know, like, he's...
54:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know how to explain it, but oh, I forgot to put a show on here, it was on the 28th that wind hill Koshiro super submarine now, that was the match with the
54:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, oh, uh, this was about cow bloom in Chotaris, she had a few Yuma Ayoyaki Musashi.
55:00
[SPEAKER_00]: That was good.
55:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Fun.
55:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Tamar and Rikuhonda versus a defeated rising hat on June 7th, 1549 with a power bomb from Tamar and Hayato.
55:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
55:09
[SPEAKER_00]: That was also very good.
55:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh.
55:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Very strange way to vet if can't tell me a hara Suzuki and Shota Kufuji versus Ray Sato, Yuma and Zai and Zai on in the hara can Zai and with an enjoyment.
55:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was, there's nothing to write home about that.
55:23
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, towards been perfectly solid, other than the A, all these tag title match which is fine, but you don't have to go out of your way to watch it, right?
55:31
[SPEAKER_00]: So still, I mean, after all this, I still have very good vibes about all Japan.
55:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, fair enough.
55:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think that Hurricane, like, also, like, I mean, as much as I was like a bit down on the triple cron match there, like it was still like, like it was very noticeable as well, like that, how hard that the crowds are just for that promotion right now.
55:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it just didn't sayingly hard.
55:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, completely.
55:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and the momentum is still there.
55:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like and everything.
55:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you could talk about like the Honda match being a little cold, but I don't, you know, now what do you think about it's it's it's it's it sucks a bit, but like because it was a guy that has been around for a while and really faulty could step up, but like it's not like, you know, but just a couple of months before we head out.
56:19
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, what we're going to talk about
56:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You mean the ski from from like a dragon?
56:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but how do you feel about this December 31st strategy?
56:34
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not having a triple crown match in a title like they had the last couple of years, including when not achieving you but for the title.
56:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it makes sense in a so far as like, okay, let's say if Ken to actually wins and beats the record, right?
56:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the thing, like the next title defense would be the one where he beats the record.
56:56
[SPEAKER_01]: A you don't want that to be in like Sapporo, like you do want that to be in the biggest possible building in Tokyo.
57:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I get from like a business perspective, I think it makes perfect sense to hold off on like a triple crown match, until you're yogi show.
57:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because that basically means we're not gonna see another triple crown match for two months.
57:19
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's quite a long time to go in between the fences.
57:21
[SPEAKER_00]: But, well, you know, Japan these days, yes it is.
57:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it makes sense business.
57:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it makes perfect sense to like not want to have like this match like in in Hokkaido.
57:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it just makes perfect sense to hold that off until, yeah, no years.
57:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want, I was going to say, do you think can't just drop in this talent January then?
57:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you might have the chance to win really, yeah, because that's the question okay, who else does Ken to drop it to, right, and I go, and I, that's with, and I would basically, like it feels too soon because he just had a title shot, yeah.
58:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that would feel too quick of a turnaround for that.
58:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like Anzo is winning the champion carnival and then he's beating whoever is triple crown champion.
58:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess go, yeah, that's one I could see.
58:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's about the only other person.
58:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, or do you have canto run up the defense record to like 15 or something?
58:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
58:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, do other like, you can probably run up that.
58:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
58:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Because by the time you get to, so like, think about it.
58:29
[SPEAKER_00]: So the, they'll probably have a defense like, late January, they'll be a defense in February and maybe March.
58:35
[SPEAKER_00]: So theoretically, you could get to 13 defenses before the champion carnival or 12.
58:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
58:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't again, I don't either.
58:43
[SPEAKER_01]: That's also the question is, do you want Ken to just have all of the triple crown like records basically?
58:51
[SPEAKER_01]: He's already like consecutively, he's already the longest, like you already beat Miss Awa.
58:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, um, but he's one reign away from like equally like Swamas record.
59:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
59:03
[SPEAKER_01]: and then if he also on top of that also holds the like right then I think it's probably likely that can't do will win this title again.
59:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I don't think this will be his last one.
59:13
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
59:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So he said least going to be equalizing Suama on that but I don't think that if he also holds to deflect then he holds all of the records for the triple crown.
59:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, remember how like when he after he lost to Eugene to God, uh, he felt like he didn't have it for a long time.
59:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the problem.
59:30
[SPEAKER_00]: What's going to happen is again, once he loses this title.
59:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, and I don't expect, like again, he's 37 now.
59:36
[SPEAKER_01]: He absolutely still has like, like if you haven't winning when he turns 40, I think that's actually great.
59:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be amazing booking.
59:45
[SPEAKER_00]: for sure.
59:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I just like my point is like yeah, run it up.
59:50
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is if you run it up to 12, it takes just that much harder for someone else to come along and beat that record later.
59:57
[SPEAKER_00]: You just want to like set the record just one above.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, that's the thing like it don't like because otherwise it's like because then again You get into like a thing where like now and I has to hold this title for like for a kid fucking ever if you want to have I have like the chance of like getting close to like beating that record essentially If you don't want to run that record up like by like an insane amount now and again That's why I think you my has a chance like I think there's a chance for Ken to it doesn't get to record He just again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He just he doesn't get to break it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He just gets to like be there at the same level
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I don't know, I feel like that you, you put so much into it of him having, well, what was a point, two, twice?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the point of having him have two 10 defense triple crown reins?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Except one way actually beats it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Me, that loads to make a lot of sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to deny it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're also saying on the previous show of the year, you're going to want to have
1:00:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I can think of a very famous example.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can think of a very famous example of Kent or not winning on that show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yes, I did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we could have said it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to try and it seems like...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also was part of the people going, when the actual finish up and any fucking tap those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Ken does win and then time I just want go and get his little gold watch triple crown reign Yeah, I mean again he is shown that like he can definitely still go so I would definitely want to see it again but I also feel like that's about the old label that makes any sense to win that title from Ken to if you might isn't the one to beat him Yes, I mean I'm sure to think here so how would you do the champion cardinal finals and if
1:01:48
[SPEAKER_01]: If go with the champion, well, then you do kent vs. Anzai.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't the champion accountable finals?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:01:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because the thing with you, like if you must champion, then, uh, like, like, that's a thing.
1:02:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I wouldn't do you, my versus at, like, you, my, I wouldn't do the you, my mirror in the champion carnival final.
1:02:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Anzai still has beaten Ayoyagi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could drag that out longer, too, which is why.
1:02:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it went down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or Ayoyagi went.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the other thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, if I argue, it's championing, like until the champion carnival, then yeah, either you have to have Anza beat him or you have to have the champion carnival when a like come up short yet again.
1:02:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And like how long can you basically keep going?
1:02:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Like how long can a tournament like retain its prestige if the winner of the tournament never wins the title?
1:02:39
[SPEAKER_01]: right because who is the last like i'm actually trying to think who is the last champion carnival winner that actually then won the title in their like the title match that they got from winning the tournament i don't know
1:02:52
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing, like it's because it's been so long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even remember, really.
1:02:55
[SPEAKER_00]: God, okay.
1:02:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So, 16, second order, one in loss to Kento.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 2017, God, I should go over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over, over
1:03:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, by the way, I think it's 2017, actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Shuji Ishikawa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, that's nearly 10 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's time to do it again.
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like how long they managed to pull that out, but it is time to just have the Champion Cardinal winner winters winters winters winters, because I think we didn't even really notice until recently that it hasn't happened for a while.
1:03:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And uh, it's also known that Celicanto has never done, because you won the Champion Cardinal adds the TripleGuard Champion.
1:03:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, that too.
1:03:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other type of weather, the triple crown, are the chip, it kind of really lost the enzyme.
1:03:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think that's a good little thing for anxiety too.
1:04:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's probably the best bet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, I think maybe you just get counter to 12 defenses then and you go with that, I don't know.
1:04:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's, you can't wait too long and I think code is there's a little run.
1:04:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, like that's the thing we've got like it really like realistically You have like what two free years essentially at this point.
1:04:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe less yeah, yeah, and John Music and say but also ways still good to like it's not just way still wrestling, but also way still kind of like go with all I think that And it's pushing things up right like you could have go get his wind back over Hiddachi
1:04:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:04:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, I want to go versus Honda match.
1:04:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that could actually be good.
1:04:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that actually could be good.
1:04:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they would j- I think they would j- I think they would jello are better than Honda and mehar.
1:04:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:04:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:04:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, literally every title defense of his would be like a triple crown like pairing that hasn't happened before unless he faces like like except canto.
1:05:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's some freshness in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to win last year over.
1:05:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you can even have, um, and so I helped.
1:05:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you could quite literally, like, you could quite literally do, uh, like, go see Ozaki with Sivama, and that would be a fresh match, both.
1:05:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you could, actually, that would be great, actually, about rock.
1:05:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think it just makes sense to like go with go enters because again, you know not going to be able to do it again, like you have to kind of you have to do it now because yeah, it's not going to happen otherwise yeah well that's our fantasy booking for this.
1:05:48
[SPEAKER_00]: and final thoughts, oh no, what are you doing?
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And all Japan continues, it's March Forward, I guess.
1:05:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I would.
1:05:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll be back after I think to November 9th, no a show.
1:06:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
1:06:05
[SPEAKER_00]: He'll kind of show, we'll be cool, we'll be over.
1:06:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll have to get to see what Kenna will can pull out a neto, which I like, have a perverse interest in season.
1:06:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I, again, it's just going to be like the Naka dreamer, like KG Motomatch.
1:06:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it just kick a guy underground for like 15 minutes essentially.
1:06:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably what it's going to be.
1:06:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be not getting his ass kicked and then like got he's got a land like the running destino and then then then went to three.
1:06:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that's our prediction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see you next time to find out the fact that that's what happens and enjoy all the wrestling out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.