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Ep. 3 | Casting Lines, Dodging Lions: Tyler Gordon's Wild-Blooded Guide to the Good Life · Go Wildly Podcast

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The most important thing is a good batch of biscuit juice.
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Like I'm eye to eye with this cat and it's full speed coming
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like right at me. And I can feel the bear's breath
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coming out of his, you know, out of his mouth and through the,
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the fabric of the tent. I like to work for that animal
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and not just walk up, find it 400 yards away and blast it with
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a rifle. I watch the documentaries on the
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slaughter houses and everything. And I'm like, Oh my gosh.
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Like, personally, I just don't want anything to do with that.
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So the first one of any species, you're supposed to take a bite
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out of the heart that meets the trophy.
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When the fishing's good, the fishing's good, you know, I
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mean, you can't catch them from your couch.
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You got to be out there. Leave the work to us when you
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come, you know, when you come out on the river, come fishing
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with you. Look at all these.
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Sticks, so many sticks. Living sticks.
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Sticks. Welcome to the Go Wildly
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podcast, where the trail or river is our studio and the
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outdoors is where the story all unfolds.
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I'm Heather and I'm Emily, and at the heart of it all is 1 big
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question we ask our guests. What is that one pivotal outdoor
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story that changed the course of your life?
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From transformative hikes to river epiphanies and everything
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in between, stories like these remind us how nature shapes who
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we are. So thanks for being here.
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Stick around and together we're go wildly.
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Thanks guys. We love you.
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Today we're diving in with Tyler Gordon, third generation Rogue
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River fishing guide, Army vet, and the kind of guy who plans
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every trip down to the last snap.
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Raised with a rod in hand and a deep reverence for the wild,
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Tyler blends grit, heart, and the precision into everyday
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guiding life. We talk military training,
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fishing legacy, close calls with bears and mountain lions, and
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why harvesting your own meat it's different.
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To watch the full fishing adventure, head over to our
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YouTube channel to watch the companion film to this episode.
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New Pod every Friday. Enjoy.
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Emily, what are we doing today? OK people, we are.
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Hold on your horse. Good morning.
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Go Wilders. I'm trying to figure out what
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our fans are going to be called. So fans, if you're as you're
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listening, think about what you want your fan base to be known
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as. So we are here this morning at
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Schroeder Park, Josephine County Park, campground, boat ramp.
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There's a dog park playground and we are going fishing today
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with Tyler, Tyler Gordon of Gordon's Generational Guide
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Service. He's taking us out on his
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beautiful drift boat. It's bougie.
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It's bougie. There's theaters, there's a
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dolphin. There's a door so that folks in
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wheelchairs and other handicaps can access the boat.
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We're going to go out and go fishing and hopefully catch some
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fish. Yeah, and we're out here.
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Here's Tyler. He's miked up.
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He's getting us ready to go. We're.
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Going to go on an epic fish hunt with go wildly.
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We're going to catch fish, we just don't know how many or how
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big. Right, but we know where to.
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Be continued. He knows where we're going to
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catch the fish. Yes, and it is a great day here
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in Southern Oregon. This is like we're supposed to
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get a little rain tomorrow. So we really lucked out today.
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We're just. Supposed to be sunny.
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It's like 40° right now, but it's going to warm up to about
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70°. It's 7:37 AM.
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We've been hanging out for about an hour shooting the shit and.
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Getting to know each other. Getting prepped for the day,
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Tyler was telling us that these river trips, these fishing trips
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really start the day before getting all the gear put
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together, all the lines tied and lures tied.
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Clearly I need to learn more fishing.
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Lingo this will be great for you, Emily, because you're so
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like rafting centered when this is a very like we're on the
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river. It's very similar but like a
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whole another layer to the river that you haven't really done.
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Yeah, that I get to observe a lot, but I don't participate in
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at any rate of frequency. And it's something that I've
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been really interested in getting into, especially as a
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boat captain, as an oars person, an oarsman.
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Well, I'm an I'm a woman, so gender neutralizing it as an
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Orson Orson Ors person and learning, learning where the
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fish hang out, learning how to find those seams and stay in
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there. And it's.
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Going to be a fun one. We're going to do a little
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interview with Tyler today and getting his story and background
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and just all that fun. Cool.
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Shit too, how he's how and why he's been doing this his whole
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life. Local local Southern Oregonian.
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Oh my God. We're here for fun.
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I tried to keep us right below that pine tree, but you did
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great. All right, wild girls, let's get
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ready. We'll do a quick practice run
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with our fishing and casting set up, but you guys will catch on
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pretty quick. As you can see, I'm running the
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motor upriver and I'm going to make the turn over to river
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right, which is on Heather's side.
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But Emily, you'll be the first to cast because you'll be the
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upriver Fisher. OK.
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We'll cast from left to right or do a back cast.
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Emily's bait will land to get down to the bottom.
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And then almost immediately I'll call your for your cast,
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Heather. And like I said, just a practice
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run. If something goes wrong, we'll
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just kind of repeat the process here at Schroeder.
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But just, you know, salmon roll right back there.
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So we got we got some fish in the zone.
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Cool. Go ahead and grab your rods and
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we'll get them unbuckled and kind of at the start point like
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I was explaining on the ramp, you'll drop your bait over the
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water and probably give it a few reels until the weight comes
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within about 6 inches of the rod tip.
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Let's give it close the Bale real quick, Emily, and let's
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let's do some reeling until you get the weight.
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See the weight up at the top? Yeah, right about there.
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And now you can adjust the the string so it's you're able to
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grab it with your finger. Perfect.
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You good, Heather? I can't see your reel, but you
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got it pinched. And yeah, basically when we come
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up, it'll be more particular, like when I'm coming up fast
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water and in the riffles because the swing and the cast and
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everything's going to happen, you know, like more
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systematically. This is nice calm water.
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So it's a good, good spot to practice.
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But this will be the theme of drift fishing like this.
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I'll come up, motor up, I'll run the motor.
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I'm thinking the fish are going to be river right.
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And down below us a couple 100 feet.
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So I'll get the boat into position 1st and then I'll call
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out casting orders at least for the first hour.
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You guys will get get get the hang of it.
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All right, Emily, we're ready for your cast 1st.
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And from the seated position to start left, go swing your whole
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rod left and we're going to do a pitch like out and right.
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If clock direction's good, it's like 2:00.
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So be like in front of the boat and slightly up river.
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Perfect and close the Bale good. And now give it a couple of
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reels so that we're tight on the line and it'll start bouncing on
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bottom. Heather, once you see basically
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all throughout the day, once you see her line out and in the
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water, you just, like I said, pick a spot, you know, 1520 feet
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to the left of her line and make your, your, your cast.
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But not yet. To land?
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No, you're ready to go. So out over here.
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Yeah, about 2:00. And as long as you like that,
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see how you missed her line. But you've got about 5-6 feet of
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separation. Oh, real, real, real.
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You got to fish on. Keep real, Keep real.
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Keep real. Keep real.
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Keep it tight. There you go.
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Keep it tight. First cast fish on.
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Nice and easy right here. It's a little baby.
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You have a. Rat tip up to me.
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Hi. Fishy.
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Look at you. You're lucky today.
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I want it. I'm going right?
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Behind the We release those little ones quick because the
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water temperature is kind of high.
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And I don't want to, you know, you know what I mean?
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I don't want to. I don't want to tear them up.
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Yeah, we want to keep those fish happy and healthy.
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First cast, first fish though mighty.
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So we'll just go back out. Let's just repeat the process
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here. We'll do a left to right cast.
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So both of you just swing your rods to the left, follow each
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other like this way the left hook your line, open your bail.
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Where am I casting out here? No.
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Take both of the rods right now. Go to the left and then she's
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up. Emily's up river right now.
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So she's going to go like 2:00. You give her a cast, that's OK.
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It's more like 3. So we'll just, you know, we'll
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try to practice a couple times getting out in front.
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Now you go ahead, Heather, and aim for 2:00.
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Perfect. I went ocean fishing one time
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and I said my goal was to catch the first fish and the biggest
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fish and I was the only one who caught a fish.
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Oh, cool, cool. Don't.
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Reel. Don't reel on your reels.
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We want to, we want everything to be like free drifting,
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remember? Like coming down looking as
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natural as possible. I can feel the bottom.
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Yeah, and that should you know the vibration in your right
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hands right now, it should be like butter knife on glass, Ting
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to Ting to Ting to Ting. And a fish is going to be the
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same, but faster and harder and softer is the best way I can
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explain it. Like a.
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Handshake faster, harder, softer.
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Faster, harder, softer. That's the theme of my this is
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sex. That's a harder topic though.
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Oh. Yep, got Fisher.
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No, little one. Oh, I lost the.
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Oh, I love it. I love it.
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I'm going to become a fisherwoman.
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I think I'm going to be like Dad.
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Yeah, you might not be going out.
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I'm going to get your boat ready and go take it out on my own.
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Gunger Fishing. Go ahead Heather, when you're
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ready right out 2:00 you guys will know throughout the day too
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like if you look at Heathers line because the Suns helping us
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you see where the clear line meets the yellow now now the
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yellow is going underwater for the most part.
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You want to bury that yellow a couple feet under the surface
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because the average water depth that we're going to cover today
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is between 10:00 and 12:00. So I set that clear, that clear
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bumper for that, you know, for. So it's a visual indicator of
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whether or not you're close enough to bottom.
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There'll be some deep holes and I'll let you guys know when, but
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I'll be like, hey, let out some extra line because I'm trying to
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get down 18, you know 1820 feet I.
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Don't really know. Fishing could be so fun.
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I mean, I've fished in my life, so like, but I'm just a
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different mindset these days, you know?
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Yeah, yeah. It's such a kind of passive but
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active pastime with reward or potential potential reward.
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I mean, the reward is you get to be outside and hang out with a
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friend or hang out by yourself and listen to the sounds of
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nature and. Heather, how are you with
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restroom urgency? Can I motor up one time on this
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or do you want to go down? But that's that's the Applegate
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right there. I'm doing good, I farted and
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we're good. It's rolling.
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Farted cleared out some room you'll.
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Be able to see that nest better too if I motor up to the top.
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Of it yeah, let's do that yeah don't mind me in my poop yeah so
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like yeah. That's part of what we're here
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for. The poop jokes.
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That's not ladylike, not ladylike.
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We're not ladies. We're women.
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There she is, the majestic bald eagle.
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There's a bald eagle. Tree up here.
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Oh. She looks so cute.
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I really don't want hand, so we're going to resume.
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Beast of the Pacific Northwest, a symbol of freedom and majesty.
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Bald eagle head in that tree. Ali, eat this Lucocephalus in
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that Cottonwood. Tree.
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They mate while free falling. Wouldn't that be fun?
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Oh man, do I got to bite? I don't even know.
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Can't tell the difference between a fish bite and the
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bottom of the. I shot him in the net.
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I can hold him in the net for you.
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Heather's got another fish on. Yeah, keep reeling.
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Try to get him on the left side of.
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The boat, that little fishy. OK, stop reeling right there.
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Go round, tip up and down. Down there we go.
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All right. Oh, hello.
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Cool. Thanks, little fish.
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There you can get some video of him.
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He's happy and healthy right there.
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Now, Trout has always been in the Rogue.
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Yeah, they're they're they're a native fish.
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Let me see your bait real quick, Heather.
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I'll fix that. And when they're of size,
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they'll because the rogue is connected to saltwater, OK, They
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will travel to the ocean and come back as steelhead.
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Oh, wow. So another reason.
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Like become steelhead. Yeah, yeah, they're the exact
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same. Same species, different
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identity. They're like trans fish.
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No, they're they're just. It's just a.
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It's a. Classification once they go to
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once they go to saltwater and feed in saltwater they're they
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they're now called to steal it. OK because you can imagine if
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you were a rainbow trout and you were stuck in lot like Lost
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Creek Lake where there's a dam you can't get to the ocean in
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there. Those will those will remain
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trout OK forever. They'll never be able to make it
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to saltwater, but because the the rogue is connected to to
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salt water, they'll go and feed in the ocean and then come back.
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Steelhead. Makes wow cool you want.
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Me to Oh yeah, bring that in. I'm sorry.
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We'll get you guys a recast up here coming up.
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Such a beautiful day. Really nice weather.
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There's another Osprey up on the 12:00.
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Up in the church. Well, Tyler, you want to give us
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your spiel on just like? Who you are, where you grew up.
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Yeah, give us the you know, your performance.
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Yeah, talking about yourself. Yeah, First name's Tyler.
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My business is fishing with Gordo or Gordon's Generational
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Guide Service. Been a guide since 2020.
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Been on the river since I before I can even remember pictures of
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me coming down at two and three years old and catching fish with
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my dad, my grandpa, my uncle. We've been out in the outdoors
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doing something all my life. It's it's almost natural fishing
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and hunting enjoy it every day and love being out here with the
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go wildly sisters fishing sisters yeah fishing's kind of
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slow today though it's kind of late in the run we're.
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Having a great we're. Finding some and we're ripping
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some lip, we're fishing, letting them go.
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And we're catching and. We're catching.
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Oh, I'm just getting off. Well, tell us what you're like,
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what you fish like, What's your guiding?
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Salmon and steelhead for the most part, but every trip is
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tailored. So if I meet a client coming
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from out of state or out of town, I need to know exactly
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what kind of trip they're looking for, because they might
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not, you know, they might want to do half fishing, half
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photography. They might want to go for a
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trophy steelhead and nothing else.
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They might want salmon or nothing else.
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They might want a combo trip in the fall.
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On the Rogue. Summer steelhead and fall salmon
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overlap, so there's opportunities to catch both in
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the same trip, which is a lot of fun.
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And yeah, I mean, I've taken families up to the nearby lakes
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and we've done lake fishing, you know, for bluegill and small
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mouth kids. Enjoy that.
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The adult fishing community, they prefer floating the river
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like we are today, looking for salmon and steelhead and being
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on the road. But yeah, yeah, the the trip
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packages are limitless. I love that.
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I love that customized of it, it's really cool.
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And so you've been fishing and being in the outdoors since you
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were a kid, but being a professional fishing guide is
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more new to you. What were you doing before It's?
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Not that it's new to me. My family and cousins and
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friends or mentors and stuff have been professional guides,
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Outfitters for, you know, going all the way back.
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My grandfather haunted the W Colorado, Oregon, Northern
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California, Washington, Idaho, Montana.
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So that was all of my bringing up was at least, you know,
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working, working another around the outdoor community or or
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guide service of some kind. So me personally, yes, I started
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when I got out of the Army in 2020 and started my own, my own
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guiding business. And did you go into the army
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right out of high school? I did, even during high school.
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I was 17 and three days old, which is the absolute youngest
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that you can join with parental consent.
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That's cool. How was your experience in the
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military I. Loved it.
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Yeah. The military, you know, for lack
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of better words, I mean it. It overlaps with being good in
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the outdoors, too. You know, we sleep outside, we
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sleep on the ground. We travel from state to state or
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country to country. And, you know, we have to adapt
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to the environment and. And I spent plenty of time in
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the army fishing and hunting as well.
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You know, we would. I would accrue up to 30 days of
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paid time off per year, and I'd usually always save that for,
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for fall archery in September, but also, you know, weeks, weeks
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here and there for fishing. That's great.
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Yeah. I, I was dating an Army man for
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a few months last year, and that was the essence that I picked up
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too. Was that like he already had an
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outdoor lifestyle as a kid? And then joining the Army just
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really enhanced that, being trained in different
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environments and learning how to adapt and from camouflage to
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food to enduring the elements, and it really seemed to expand
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and enhance his outdoor lifestyle and support it very
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well. Yeah, no problems like that.
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More than any other like military branch, the army's got
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more. Even though maybe the Navy is
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super water oriented. The army is all terrain.
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Every environment across the globe have to know how to exist
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and and adapt with it. Yeah, an extensive, you know,
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training in, in GPS and satellite communications and how
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how we were in the garments. There were more hunting.
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We have two way radios and then operation orders.
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I was a senior enlisted member in the military, so I was, I
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mean, running an operations order and issuing basic, you
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know, troop leading procedures, right?
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Or if I, and I use that in my civilian guiding business as
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well so I can task manage, I know what I need to get done
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ahead of time. The day before this weather
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applies to this. And, and that's all, you know,
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operational training like the Army would do.
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If I was going to run a mission, I wouldn't just wake up one day
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and go conduct that mission. It would start 30 days or more
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before the day of action to do Intel analysis, supply requests.
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What do we need? You know, how are our fishing
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reels running? Do we need to order a new one?
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Do we need new fishing line? And plan ABCD prepare for any
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incidentals. Yeah.
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And in civilian terms, that's what like an operation order is.
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It's the overall outline of everything that's going to be,
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you know, you know, whatever the objective is, you have an
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objective and then you'll have subsets of orders and and a
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process. You know, it's the process.
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Great Blue Heron. Yeah.
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Very transferable skills, yeah, easy to easy to go from military
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to civilian life with all of that training and.
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Then specifically to, you know, because obviously the Army
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doesn't provide any training for like what bait to use on what
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day or you know, what fishing technique you want to use versus
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lake, river, ocean, whatever. All of that came from my family.
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That was from my grandpa spent all of my childhood, all the
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summers, any waking minute was on the water with him in his
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boat and he would teach us all, you know, the types of fishing.
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We could troll, we can back troll, we could back balance, we
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can drift fish like we are today.
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All of the processes of fishing all came from my family and
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still have a lot of that in journals and in different things
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that I can look back on even though my grandpa's passed away
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now. Did you always know that you
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would be in the guiding like you would eventually do a guiding
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service and you knew that you were going to just follow those?
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It was, it was a part of my process or my plan of action
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getting out of the Army for at least, you know, a, a decade
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before I started, you know, and had help along the way, building
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it, setting it up. And like we talked about this
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morning, you know, do a little bit of, you know, set up for the
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business side and, and having support for that.
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But that was always the plan because I was, I knew that I was
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going to retire from the military.
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I was 37 years old. I already got 20 years done.
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I started at 17. So I was still young, had my
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Army pension. So it's not like I, I don't need
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to be out here to make $1,000,000.
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I like to take people fishing and have fun.
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And the pressure's off, you know, because it's not my, it's
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not my, my, my main source of income.
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But with that, like being 37 years old and what do I want to
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do? Do I want to go work, you know,
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for the government? No, I just did that for 20
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years. I want to change a pace, you
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know what I mean? Not not to say that my, you
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know, working for the government's bad or anything's
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great, have a great benefit options and stuff like that, but
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I needed to do something and I wanted to work for myself.
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So why not take something that I've already seen and analyzed
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and SWOTL analysis and put all that together and Gordon's
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generational blossom from there? How was so it was relatively a
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new venture for you, I mean 2020, so five years, how was it
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the span of five years? Have you really like how's
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business like business has? Doubled every year.
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Amazing. So we just expanded, we just got
22:49
a new, new jet boat to offer salmon trips now on the coastal
22:54
section and all. And I'll run the jet boat here
22:56
on the Middle Rd. in the fall as well.
22:58
But yeah, every year is at, you know, at least doubled.
23:00
I look at the math maybe a little bit better than doubled
23:03
or a little bit under under doubling.
23:05
But the second boat will basically open the calendar to
23:08
fish an additional four months where I was like in the
23:10
beginning, 6 to 8 months at a time.
23:14
And at the same time, my kids are at home and they're small.
23:17
So at any given moment where I just want to, hey, shut off the
23:20
fish fishing calendar and I want to stay home and cook with my
23:22
kids and just have family time. You know, I have the freedom to
23:25
do that. I can, I can turn it on and turn
23:27
it off. I also don't want fishing like,
23:29
you know, some, some people that I know in the industry, it
23:31
becomes so repetitive and so much like a job that they lose
23:36
the passion for the fishing, They lose the passion for being,
23:39
you know, outdoors. And that's something that I
23:41
don't want to lose. I would I would rather lose the
23:43
money than lose the, you know, the passion and the and the love
23:48
for the. For the sport, and if you're not
23:50
doing it for money, that infers that there's, yeah, the room for
23:55
the love, yeah, to take over. Yeah, putting an adult salmon or
23:59
steelhead into the hands of somebody else, you know, and
24:01
like I said this morning, we fish as a team.
24:03
You can see the operation. I'm running the whores and
24:05
trying to keep the boat right. You guys are doing all the
24:07
actual catching, you know. But we're A-Team and that, you
24:10
know, that and putting that fit, you know, a nice trophy fish
24:14
into somebody's hands that that's so much superior than the
24:18
money, you know what I mean? The money has to be there
24:19
because this sport is not cheap. Nothing that goes into it as far
24:22
as, you know, insurance, licensing, you know, blah, blah,
24:25
blah. Like, you know, just.
24:26
Even one of these boats like how much does a custom Pavati drift
24:31
boat? Yeah, they're, they're not,
24:33
they're not cheap. They're in the 30 like mid
24:35
$30,000 range fully, fully rigged like mine is.
24:38
Everything's a package price though, you know, so you, you I
24:40
had extra, I had, I wanted to be ahead of the game, so I did
24:43
extra seats, extra parts and pieces.
24:46
That way if I have an oar go down or if I lose an oar lock or
24:49
something like that, I have backups in the garage.
24:51
And that really, you know, that drove the cost up to be
24:55
prepared. But I'm on, this is my office
24:57
too. So I don't want to, you know,
24:59
shortchange myself and have something that's either
25:01
uncomfortable or undesirable too you.
25:04
Know you've got to make it. Cushy, yeah, needs to be Cushion
25:06
needs to be fun. So I'm I'm glad, I'm glad to
25:08
remember this option. Yeah, yeah.
25:11
That's amazing. And what it tell us a bit about
25:15
like what your clientele looks like?
25:18
Man, it's, I mean, it's, it's left and right of everything.
25:22
I've taken all kinds of different age groups.
25:24
My oldest who I'll tell that story, which which is kind of
25:26
cool. And he caught his first
25:27
steelhead right here. Matter of fact that here at
25:29
Finley Ben, but he was 91 years old and he was travelling alone
25:35
by himself and he reached out to me probably four or five months
25:39
in advance of our trip via e-mail.
25:41
And I didn't know that he was coming from Florida.
25:43
I learned all that when he when he got here.
25:44
But yeah, he travelled alone as a 90 year old man to come
25:47
fishing with Gordo on the Rogue in the fall.
25:50
And it was like a bucket list thing for him.
25:52
And we had an absolutely great day.
25:53
It was a little bit of sunshine. It was a little bit of rain, you
25:55
know, and it was, it was my wife and I helping him up and down
25:59
the ramp, you know, because he was very unstable on his feet.
26:01
You know, he's a, he's a, he's a weak old guy and got them up and
26:05
down in into the boat. OK.
26:07
And that, that was a very memorable trip.
26:09
So, and then the youngest, I've taken kids as as as young as
26:12
three or four years old, I think since I've been a professional.
26:14
And also, you know, got them, got them to catch fish age wise,
26:18
3 to 90. And then like you guys having
26:21
women Fisher, you know, fishers on the boat like that.
26:23
That's a there's a lot, there's a big community in that.
26:26
And I would say it's probably 5050.
26:27
You know, I get guys that want to come fish.
26:29
I get, you know, couples that want to come fish.
26:32
And then there's the whole, you know, there's the other repeat
26:36
customers that just want to go fishing three times a year and
26:39
they just call me and they want, hey, I want this date, this date
26:41
and this date. And some of those guys, they,
26:43
you know, they know how to fish. They used to have boats.
26:45
They just for whatever reason, they don't want to keep up with
26:48
their insurance and registration and towing the boat around and
26:50
throw it in the water and taking it out and cleaning it out.
26:53
If they're only using it three times a year.
26:55
Yep, Yeah. They'd rather, they'd rather
26:56
just come down, you know, come down with a guide and have a
26:59
have a day. Let me, let me do all the work.
27:01
You know, that's like one of my motto.
27:02
You everybody works hard. Leave the work to us.
27:06
When you come, you know, when you come out on the river, come
27:07
fishing with me. Love that.
27:10
It's been amazing. Yeah.
27:11
It's been such a good day. Very relaxed.
27:13
You got good energy. So it's like, easy to be around
27:16
you too, which is I think that's half the battle, too.
27:19
You got to love people and you got to be a, you know, servant
27:23
of some sort to be around people all the time.
27:25
And when we all come together on the boat, we all like, you know,
27:28
fishing on some level. So we'll all fish together and
27:31
have a day and have a good conversation.
27:32
And that's what makes the the trip valuable, you know,
27:35
valuable. And I've been fishing and
27:37
hunting with a lot of different guides.
27:38
I've seen all different, you know, attitudes.
27:43
I've seen all kinds of different skill level, skill sets.
27:47
And I took the good that I wanted and I put it in my pocket
27:50
and I left the bad with, you know, howdy with whatever I
27:55
thought was bad and. Before you became a pro, yeah.
27:58
Yeah, this is a good spot here. Yeah, we'll be fishing in just a
28:01
second. I'll back up the boat and we'll
28:03
come down this this far side. I didn't see if they had.
28:06
Yeah, they got fishing rods. I'll try to stay out of their
28:07
way. Do you have a favorite section
28:10
of of the Rogue River to fish on?
28:14
No favor it's just it just depends on what time of year it
28:16
is. I follow the fish, not the like
28:20
I you. Know, then, what's your favorite
28:22
time of year to fish? My favorite time of year would
28:24
be winter steelhead like now, but we're we're coming up up on
28:29
the end of it. Winter steelhead is probably my
28:31
#1 and then fall fishing combos are a lot of fun locally, you
28:36
know, because we we catch both species, catch salmon and
28:38
steelhead. Even some of the salmon are on
28:41
light tackle like this. So it's tricky, tricky to get
28:43
them to the net because they might be might be as big as 30
28:46
lbs and you're trying to. Have you ever accidentally
28:50
caught us a sturgeon? No, no, don't, Don't do sturgeon
28:54
trips. Don't even target them.
28:55
If we had one bite, the salmon steelhead gear wouldn't last
29:00
more than a few seconds. Yeah, my dad, when we went my
29:03
first time down the lower Rd. we're I was in a drift boat, but
29:06
we went out, we had set up camp and then we went out just right
29:10
by our camp set up out on the drift boat because you can, you
29:13
know, blah, blah. And no motor, obviously.
29:16
But it was like a nice little area.
29:18
My dad caught a sturgeon and I like Dunley cold it in.
29:21
Oh yeah. And it was like 72 inches.
29:24
Oh, my gosh. And it was like he was like, I
29:27
didn't think my my line was going to make it.
29:30
And it did. Yeah.
29:32
I'm just curious because of that story for me.
29:35
Dang, got one of those but. I've seen them roll, but I've
29:39
never, never seen one get caught.
29:41
Prehistoric. Y Yeah, they're Cray Cray.
29:44
They are. They're ancient.
29:45
The Rogue is also closed to sturgeon fishing, so you'd be
29:47
illegal if you were attempting to target them.
29:50
Columbia. The Columbia River would be the
29:54
would be the place to. I think that might be one of my
29:58
daddy's like all time favorite moments.
30:00
Probably you. Could imagine.
30:02
We got a big old picture, like a picture of him with his
30:05
sturgeon. That's really cool.
30:07
So since you catch a lot of fish, do you you take them home?
30:11
Do you eat a lot of fish? I don't I don't even like salmon
30:14
or steelhead. I'll smoke I'll smoke it for
30:16
some family members, but I retain very few fish.
30:19
Me personally. I you know, let's say this
30:22
winter steelhead run, I might catch 20 or 30 adult steelhead
30:25
just me fishing. I call it fishing left-handed to
30:28
catch them, you know, just having fun.
30:31
I'll release almost all of them. I'll probably keep 11 per run.
30:35
Because you don't like the way they taste.
30:37
I don't know. It's not about the taste.
30:39
I just don't prefer salmon or steelhead.
30:41
I like white whitefish, but my kids and wife, they like salmon,
30:45
so I'll keep salmon and steelhead for them.
30:48
But we, we, you know, we always have plenty too.
30:52
My kids catch them and if I leave it up to them if they want
30:54
to tag it and. Cool.
30:56
Do they come out with you a lot? Yeah, yeah.
30:58
I mean. Well, when you can when you have
31:00
the. 1020 thirty days a year, probably my kids are fishing
31:03
with me. That's amazing.
31:05
Or brother, mom, dad, you know some, some family members on the
31:08
boat, you know, throughout the year and if they want to retain
31:11
fish, they can. I, I, I am more of a high
31:14
protein elk meat person. Cool, low fat, high protein.
31:19
That's my table fare of choice. But I'll do rockfish.
31:23
I'll go out with a guide in the ocean and we'll go rockfish,
31:26
halibut and. You do need trade work.
31:28
Like you're like, hey, come up and I'll take you for a trip.
31:31
You take me for a trip. No, because they need, they need
31:34
to get paid, you know, like they, they have families to feed
31:36
and that's their business. So I, I'm happy to pay, you
31:39
know, it's, they're, they're giving me a good and that's the
31:41
fish that I like to eat. And I'll even buy seven seats on
31:44
a boat. You know, if it's a big charter
31:45
boat, I'll bring friends and family and I'll buy all 7 seats.
31:49
And I just tell them like, you know, hey, I get the, you know,
31:52
the the bounty comes to my face. No, but I should that's.
31:57
Very generous of you and also a fair trade.
31:59
Yeah, I'm bringing you. So I get, I get the meat.
32:03
Yeah, and that's like my daughter loves ceviche.
32:05
So we get rockfish. We make rockfish ceviche all
32:08
summer long. The fishing for me or guiding
32:10
gets slow in in June. You know, I like I told you
32:13
guys, I go fly fishing for fun. I'm going to do a trip with my
32:16
uncle this year and Northern California and the high Sierras
32:19
and probably spend like 20 or 30 days just catch and release only
32:22
but fly fishing lakes and streams up there do.
32:27
We got to fish on. No, just a little bite, but I'll
32:29
run the motor up and we'll come down Matson or whatever.
32:32
But you guys, you know, obviously we'll keep keep
32:33
rolling, keep your podcast going if you want.
32:35
Yeah, we could, definitely. I don't want to float straight
32:37
down to Griffin, yeah. We could just keep it going and
32:40
because I want to throw the line and we'll keep.
32:43
Yeah, maybe we'll get I'll get you guys hooked up on a fish
32:46
while the the podcast is running.
32:49
Heck yeah. Hopefully.
32:52
Fingers crossed. Yeah, we'll take.
32:55
Her it's a good time to tune in to our YouTube channel so you
32:59
can actually see the action go down and it's going to be live
33:03
80 because if you're just listening, you're not getting
33:11
the full spec of what's happening.
33:15
It's amazing, It's amazing, it's amazing.
33:19
Tyler, I'm super impressed with your hold on.
33:22
I think he got off. I'm impressed with your eye to
33:28
know when it's, you know, when there's a bite, when there's a
33:34
snag happening. Yeah, just like you're on it.
33:37
Over time you see hundreds of them, thousands even.
33:39
You know what they they start to know what they look like.
33:41
Do you do actively or contribute financially to any like River
33:48
cleanup collection of fishing waste left behind?
33:54
So the times that I take like me and my brother, people want, you
34:01
know, free trips or whatever we contribute to that, like the
34:04
road river clean up day, we participate in that if we can or
34:07
if I'm not booked, but left and right of that day, we'll do our
34:10
own. You know, we'll stop and pick up
34:12
a tire, We'll pick up a few things and and beautify, help
34:15
beautify the area, especially down in the Grants Pass, the
34:19
Merlin area, just because we're on here so many days of the
34:21
year. And then?
34:24
We contribute money to the hatchery program so it creates
34:26
more fish for us to catch down the road, so we donate money on
34:30
that basis. And then I donate probably about
34:33
5 trips a year to different nonprofits or different schools
34:36
that want to raise money for raffles and stuff.
34:38
I set aside 55 gift certificates for that for charity.
34:42
That's really awesome. And then the Veteran Fishing
34:44
Fund, we have other veterans that, you know, are stationed
34:48
around the world that obviously they can't support my business
34:51
or come fishing. So they contribute to that fund
34:54
and we get to run, you know, I get to run 5 or 6 trips a year
34:56
for a veteran that is either disabled or in another way
35:01
couldn't pay for the trip himself, you know, Then the
35:04
money's already allocated. Mostly funded by other veterans.
35:08
That are donating yeah mostly and then and just and just
35:11
family and friends that that are you know our family business has
35:16
that want to support us in some way and.
35:18
Is that your own program or are you like a designated guide
35:22
through a greater veteran fishing program?
35:25
No, those are my own programs. There are like groups that I'm
35:29
involved with on, you know, social media that I follow that
35:33
do similar things. You know, they're guiding
35:34
Outfitters and they take veterans, you know, hunting.
35:38
And you could send it when ready from right to left.
35:41
Yeah. Does that answer your question?
35:42
For the most part, it's, it's internal, you know, the, the
35:46
charity work and river cleanups and everything.
35:48
We just do our we just do ourselves.
35:50
Fish on, on and off. Yeah, I don't know.
35:55
I think he was playing with it. How much does a trip like this
36:00
run? It's 250 per person right now
36:03
for winter steelhead rates and you can add passengers to the
36:09
back and I only charge a hundred a seat to add back seats.
36:13
OK. So it's 250 per person for two
36:15
people. Yeah, two person minimum. 100
36:17
for additional up to 4. Up to 4.
36:19
Can I cast? Yeah, yeah, just to the left of
36:21
her line. And it's what's the like length
36:27
of experience? What time do people arrive and
36:29
what time do they? It depends.
36:31
It depends on the time of the year, but winter steelhead we're
36:33
usually meeting at like 5:30 or 6, a little after six, depending
36:36
on sunrise. It also depends a little bit on
36:40
other people's logistics. If I have tourists that are
36:42
coming over from, you know, from Medford to Grants Pass or Grants
36:45
Pass up to Medford or Shady Cove, I, I give them a little
36:49
bit more lead time, you know, on the meet up.
36:51
And when are the fish biting? Are they that's fish coming out
36:57
of the water. Keep going, keep it tight.
37:00
Bring yours in, Heather, just so we mitigate tangles.
37:02
Get. That camera ready.
37:07
All right, nice and slow right there.
37:08
We'll work them over easy. That's good.
37:10
Go Rod tip up. We belly hooked them.
37:15
Oh, I'm sorry, guy. I don't mean to get you in your
37:25
belly. We'll have a good life.
37:30
You didn't feel it? Could just see.
37:34
Blood. No, he'll survive.
37:35
He wasn't. He wasn't bleeding.
37:37
It was right in the fin. Oh good.
37:39
So yeah, general, generally we're meeting in the morning,
37:41
but I also run AM and PM trips for people that that want to do
37:44
1/2 day. So I can run two half days in
37:47
the same day or I can run just a single half day.
37:50
And the meet up times for those would would vary.
37:52
When are the fish biting? How far do we all have to travel
37:55
that that morning? What's the What's the tide doing
37:59
if I'm fishing low? And you'll fish seven days a
38:03
week if you're booked. Oh my long my longest runs like
38:06
I think 31 days straight. Damn.
38:10
Wow, You gotta. When the fishing's good, the
38:13
fishing's good. You know what I mean?
38:14
You can't catch them from your couch.
38:15
You got to be out there. Seriously, what do you do if
38:18
you're not fishing or hunting? Geez, I've been working on my
38:21
property a lot, you know, because I I bought 3 acres and I
38:25
grew grass from seed and I got plans for a garden on and off.
38:32
I think another little bite there.
38:36
What was I saying? Yeah, so.
38:38
Got planned work. Around the house right now has
38:40
been a lot, but time with my kids too.
38:42
We do. We do a lot of other outdoor
38:48
activities that aren't fishing. Like what?
38:51
Shooting, of course. Coming from the army, I got to
38:54
teach my kids how to shoot. Just target practice.
38:57
Yeah, yeah, with the kids, I just, you know, shooting
39:00
targets. Yep, he's on.
39:05
My daughter's got a little BB gun.
39:06
She'll she'll try to find the right there.
39:09
Heather, hold them, hold them in the keep them in the water a
39:11
little bit. There we go, nice.
39:19
We had a ground squirrels that were stealing our chicken food
39:22
because we got chickens, so my daughter was shooting those.
39:27
But they're not a little hatchery.
39:31
They are not a big game hunting or anything yet my small kids
39:35
aren't. You said they're 8 and 10.
39:40
Yeah. Well, should we ask the big
39:42
major question? I can ask it.
39:47
Take us away. Tyler, what is the story of your
39:52
most pivotal outdoor moment, the one that shaped you and made you
39:57
who you are? Maybe it was a little bit of
39:59
fear. Maybe it was a little bit of
40:01
just an aha moment. Can 1 Core outdoor moment come
40:05
to mind for you? Tell us that story.
40:09
I don't, man, that's so hard. There's so many and like I said,
40:13
it's like I started hunting and fishing from the phallic age,
40:17
you know, before memories were even created.
40:23
I guess like in the in the in the realm of hunting, you know,
40:29
the the the first bull elk that I got with a bow and arrow that
40:33
that sticks, that really sticks, you know, and it, it was a lot
40:36
of miles hiked a lot of, you know, almost got em moments.
40:42
It snuck in. I was really close to an elk,
40:44
but I didn't get a shot or a shot to miss.
40:45
Yep, that's a good fish. Keep it.
40:46
Tight. Oh, oh, keep it tight.
40:50
Is it swimming or is it bottom? I thought I saw it swimming, but
40:53
kind of looking like bottom right now.
40:56
Is it shaking at all? Let me feel it.
40:58
I think it might have bottom. Yeah, bottom.
41:02
Shucks, the one, the one. Or it's a stick.
41:09
There's still something on my hook, but it's free.
41:11
It's not a fish though, it's a stick.
41:15
Get the net. Watch out, Beaver might be
41:19
coming for it. You're breaking up my home.
41:26
That's a squirrely stick. And the cameras rolling for this
41:29
trophy. Check out this trophy is this.
41:37
You gotta like a guy holds fish. That's gonna that's gonna taste
41:40
good. Nice catch and release.
41:51
OK, your first bull elk. How old were you?
41:55
The first bull I was like later because I was in the Army.
41:57
I think I was 25/24/20. Five, the the first elk that you
42:03
shot with your bow and arrow. Yeah.
42:06
In first, yeah, yeah, I had got another deer and elk and, you
42:09
know, bucks around Oregon and stuff and I was in Montana.
42:12
I was going to say, where was it?
42:14
Hunting with my uncle in Montana.
42:16
Bring it in, Heather. I'm going to.
42:17
I'm going to run up before we hit fast water.
42:22
How far did you did you guys hike in?
42:24
How what? What did that look like?
42:26
So. Up early in that.
42:28
Day. Yeah, up early and we cut the
42:30
distance. Picture for us.
42:32
What's that? Yeah.
42:33
Sure. At all.
42:34
Camera battery died because apparently it wasn't built for
42:38
this raw, rugged chaos of fishing with Tyler Gordon.
42:42
Here's your reminder that Gordon's generational guide
42:45
service is the real deal. We're talking custom adventures,
42:49
wild game vibes, and the kind of fish whispering that makes
42:53
salmon sweat. Tyler's been doing this since he
42:56
could walk, and honestly, if Bigfoot could book a guide, it'd
43:00
be Tyler. Book the trip, catch the fish,
43:03
and maybe, just maybe, get chased by a bear.
43:07
Not really, though 10 out of 10 would recommend.
43:09
All right, batteries are back in, lines are tight.
43:12
Let's get back to it. All right, take us back to 25
43:16
years old. It was story time on the elk.
43:19
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see.
43:21
All the detail, all the imagery, we want to feel it.
43:26
So it starts, it starts in camp and it starts with a wake up of
43:30
two or three hours before sunrise, which can be for 4:30
43:34
depending on how fast you can get ready.
43:37
We cut the distance on the area that we want to hand in by quad.
43:40
So we jump on 4 Wheelers, jump on our 4 Wheelers and we cut
43:44
some of the distance off, stash the bikes when we're, you know,
43:49
off, you know, off trail. And then we start hiking in by
43:53
headlamp, you know, and walking, I don't know, covering.
43:58
There's so many different, you know, like setup points that we
44:00
have. We might one day it might be a
44:01
shorter hike than the other, depending on where we're going
44:04
to set up to hunt. But that morning, if I remember
44:07
correctly, I had about a 30 or 45 minute hike into 3045 minute
44:13
walk to my hunting site and what I didn't know.
44:19
Did you guys scout it out before you went in my?
44:22
Family's been hunting there for 30 years, probably 30 or 40
44:26
years. So you guys had it mapped?
44:27
Well scouted, well established areas and semi permanent Hut
44:34
locations. Sometimes the elk are in a
44:36
different spot, so you have to, you know, make plan A Plan B,
44:38
plan C depending on how you're patterning the, you know, the
44:42
Elks movement. But what I didn't know walking
44:45
in with the headlamp is I didn't know that my uncle had harvested
44:49
an elk a day or two prior and there was a predator on his
44:54
carcass from the elk, you know, rib cage and and guts and waste
44:58
is on the ground. So Long story short, I walked in
45:01
on a on a bear that was on the on the carcass and of course I'm
45:08
walking with a headlamp and it's pitch black and I hear this what
45:11
sounds like Velcro, like heavy duty Velcro unbuckling, but
45:16
that's the same sound as like tendons being torn off bone by a
45:19
bear. What'd you do you?
45:23
Can you can make a long story long, you don't have to show.
45:26
But that was the, you know, there's a, that's the unique
45:29
part of the walk in. And then once you're on the
45:32
ground and you're, you know, you're trying to locate elk with
45:34
different calls and you try to get a response from from a male
45:39
elk via via bugle. What did you do in that moment,
45:42
though, when you saw, when you like heard that, did you just
45:45
kind of turn the other direction and go the other way?
45:47
No, I held my ground. I just turned the headlamp off
45:50
and just remained super, super quiet.
45:52
And then it kind of sounded like the and and and I couldn't see
45:55
for sure, but I'm I'm almost positive that the bear was
45:58
starting to drag the animal away from me, so it didn't really
46:01
want a confrontation with what I was.
46:04
Didn't know you were there, you think?
46:05
Oh, absolutely. Definitely smelled them.
46:08
Absolutely heard me come in, smelled me definitely there, but
46:13
didn't want a conversation. So I mean didn't want, didn't
46:17
want. Either yeah, didn't want to talk
46:18
to you or see you. No.
46:20
So I just kind of drug off and I kept going, but I had to, you
46:22
know, I just wagon wheeled around it and gave it, gave it
46:25
some space. How long were you posted up
46:29
before you, you know, got into your your elk, the one that you
46:35
caught? Did you post up in a spot or did
46:36
you? Didn't take very long and I
46:38
could hear the elk coming. You know, I had wind in my favor
46:41
so I could hear the elk coming. They make quite a bit of noise
46:44
when they're ripping grass with their teeth.
46:46
And if you listen real, you know, and they're feeding in the
46:48
morning or the area that I was in, I was basically set up in
46:51
between where they get water and where they bed in the in the
46:54
afternoon when it gets warm. And that's the trying to cut
46:56
them off in that area. Were you bugling?
46:58
I was in the early part of the morning and not bugling.
47:01
I was cow calling, making cow calls, and then listening.
47:04
Listening for bugles, though, because the bugles will give me
47:07
an indication of whether the elk are coming from, you know, the
47:10
Northeast and the Northwest. But generally speaking, we know
47:13
which which, which direction they're going to be traveling
47:15
that morning. Do you use a device to make that
47:18
call or just your own hands and mouth?
47:20
No, there's a so there's diaphragm calls that fit inside
47:22
your mouth and inside my mouth. And that looks like what most
47:25
people are familiar with those style of Turkey calls.
47:28
It's called a diaphragm. And it's like a, I don't know.
47:32
It's, it looks like a little mouthpiece and you can imitate
47:35
or make the percussion of the animal sound with your own
47:38
lungs. And then there are some
47:40
electronic devices, but mostly for predators.
47:42
And we don't, we don't use any of that, any of that for elk.
47:44
And you can't but, and then the other ones are like a handheld
47:48
read. They're called a read call.
47:50
So then you're you're are you standing still or are you like
47:54
in a blind or what's where are you at when you see the elk that
47:58
you're going to? When the elk come in close,
48:00
definitely yeah. Holding still, holding as still
48:02
as can be and trying to not silhouette yourself and
48:08
silhouetting to an elk or to animals eyes.
48:10
Basically just letting them see your entire outline as a human,
48:14
you know from arms and legs and head, if you have any kind of
48:20
structure that you could put in between yourself and the elk,
48:22
even if it's just a few branches that breaks up that outline and
48:25
they have a hard time seeing you.
48:26
Of course we're in. We're in camo as well, but camo
48:30
only goes so far. The most important thing to not
48:32
be identified by an ammo is don't give them your silhouette.
48:35
And are you alone or you're with family members at this time?
48:38
There's other hunters in the area, but I'm definitely on my
48:42
own like as far as like the the walk in and getting to whatever
48:45
destination point that I want to set up and and call from or
48:49
observed from. Oh my gosh, What were you
48:51
feeling in the moment when it was like?
48:53
How so? How many yards away did you?
48:56
Oh, that, that bow shot on the, that, that that first bull was
49:01
like, I think it was like 24 yard, 24 yard shot.
49:06
Wow, nice. Pretty close close.
49:08
The closest I've ever made with a bow on an on a bow elk is 4
49:11
yards so really close. And what goes through your mind
49:15
as you're preparing to take that shot?
49:19
Gosh, I hope that I get all this protein for my freezer because I
49:23
have a family to feed that needs protein to grow.
49:27
The meat is the value. I'm not a trophy hunter, never
49:29
have been. Nobody in my family is.
49:31
We don't hunt for horns. That's why I'm saying like
49:33
killed lots of cow, you know, cow elk and, and small deer,
49:36
small bowl, spiked bowls, but no branch bowls until I was a
49:39
little bit older. Because I'm just going to take
49:42
the opportunity to get the meat, the meat, the meat's the trophy.
49:46
Even all my social media pictures, you'll very rarely see
49:49
me or any of my family members holding.
49:52
We have trophies, you know, we, we, we've got big antler racks
49:55
and stuff like that. But I always take a picture with
49:58
me and all the ice chests full of meat, you know, and elk and
50:01
elk can provide over 300 lbs of, of steak and burger.
50:05
Bring them in, guys. I'll motor up real quick and
50:07
just pitch the boat over by that Creek.
50:12
So, yeah, that's what goes through.
50:14
That's what goes through and, and and you know, like, you
50:16
know, not being confident in your shot, right?
50:20
It's one thing to take a bow and arrow out and hit bull's eyes
50:23
into a target, but as soon as the it's a, it's something that
50:26
can move. It's something with a heartbeat,
50:29
you know, the the process changes a little bit and you
50:32
know you're going to have to take that animal's life.
50:34
But I need to be disciplined and enough to make sure that I
50:36
practice all year. My shot is going to be perfect.
50:39
It's going to be lethal immediately.
50:41
The animal is not going to suffer.
50:43
It's going to go down and that you know, that would that would
50:46
then, you know, then it's excitement about harvesting the
50:49
meat. But I'm always confident my shot
50:51
because I I shoot my bow year round.
50:53
There isn't, there aren't very many even days that go by that
50:56
I'll practice, you know, shooting, shooting my bow and
51:00
arrow. Yeah.
51:01
That's cool. My dad's a bow hunter.
51:08
I never got it. My dad, I wish, I wish he would
51:10
teach me more, but he's just kind of a I've showed like, hey,
51:17
teach me, hey. It just kind of never comes to
51:20
fruition, you know? Wonder what?
51:24
Yeah, there's a disconnect there.
51:27
I have no idea. Maybe he'll maybe he'll teach
51:30
cruise and you can learn via cruise.
51:32
Even there, there's a disconnect there.
51:34
He's kind of a yeah, he's kind of not really one of those.
51:37
I just saw a little fish jump. So what did that like moment of
51:40
getting your first bull? Like what?
51:43
It did this. I'm sure that signified a kind
51:46
of a. It was just memorable.
51:48
Like, you know, like just that corn memory.
51:50
Yeah. It was just memorable.
51:51
I had, I had haunted, you know, every year of my life from like
51:56
8 or 9 years old on. So it's not, it wasn't, it
51:58
wasn't pivotal. It wasn't pivotal.
52:00
No, not even not even like that. It was just special because it
52:04
was, you know, hunting with my family and, and in a branch
52:09
bowl, you know, like a big one. So size.
52:13
The size was exciting. Do you have any kind of like
52:17
post kill cerem? Something ceremonial that you do
52:22
to honor the animal's life and. So the first one of any species,
52:27
you're supposed to take a bite out of the heart.
52:29
Right, that's what Sam does. You know, like animal to animal
52:32
and that's like spiritual whatever.
52:34
And that started in Native American heritage.
52:35
So my family have told stories and done that and I did that.
52:40
Otherwise from yeah, go yeah, go to the right of my line.
52:43
Perfect. Yeah, So did you do that?
52:45
Did you take a bite of the heart?
52:46
The first, the first animal of the first elk that I did, but
52:50
not that bull, not that particular bird.
52:51
I was already past that, you know, if that makes sense.
52:53
I've already had haunted and and taken animals.
52:57
Do you like to eat the heart? We do.
52:59
We always do. We eat everything that's edible.
53:01
Awesome. And it's usually.
53:03
And. Yeah, we have.
53:06
I I've been either trying to save the hive, but rarely is it
53:13
rarely do we have the ability to keep the entire hide off of the
53:16
elk because we're so remote that we have to quarter what's called
53:20
quartering the elk, which is, you know, taking out high end
53:23
quarters separate from half the rib on each side.
53:26
So when that happens at the quartering of the animal, you
53:28
have to split the hide into four different pieces.
53:31
But if we ever do or in a place where we can get whole hides or
53:34
either save them for somebody that wants them.
53:36
But I've I've done tanning and experimented with it.
53:38
It's just not a. It's.
53:41
A whole nother thing. Yeah, you got to be totally set
53:43
up to do it and and and put the time into it because it'll take
53:47
a lot of a lot of hours to get it, you know, either into
53:50
leather or into a a clean, serviceable hide.
53:54
All right, bring those in, guys. We're pretty shallow right here.
53:57
We'll have a quick, we'll have a little bit of a boat ride and
54:00
then we'll throw them back out down here with the river bends.
54:03
So first of the species gets a heart bite and any other one.
54:09
We still, we still retain the heart and it's like a fried
54:12
heart recipe in camp. Oh cool.
54:15
And my favorite was moose Heart. So you must really like, have
54:19
you watched all the Steven Rinella?
54:21
I have, yeah. Yeah, we I watch him quite a
54:24
bit. I don't know what that is.
54:25
Pretty cool. He's a pretty cool dude.
54:29
He just, he does wild game and then he cooks it there in camp
54:33
or maybe has like a specialist come in and cook and camp with
54:35
him or whatever. It's pretty neat show actually,
54:38
not going to lie, it's well done.
54:39
Yeah, really neat. And, you know, it's all these
54:43
like, you know, he'll do more like native recipes for this
54:46
like particular area. He's super knowledgeable and I
54:50
would, I, I, he's totally like a conservationists of that like
54:55
area wherever he's doing and he interviews people, not really
54:58
interviews, but like it's the locals that are, you know,
55:02
natives maybe or just people that are.
55:04
It's a really cool show. You should watch it.
55:06
Yeah, send me a reminder. And he comes out with cookbooks
55:08
too, so I buy those. Every year he's got a new
55:10
cookbook with new recipes. Hunting was never part of my
55:15
life even. Even fishing was always catch
55:19
and release and just very recreational.
55:22
I didn't even eat meat really until like October of last year
55:29
so. That's the biggest value to me
55:31
and if meat eater or non meat eater, I got non meat eaters in
55:35
my family. It doesn't bother me one bit.
55:37
I'm gonna be a meteor. It's just the way I'm gonna be.
55:40
But I prefer to get my own as much as I can for a couple of
55:44
reasons. One, I, I know that the chain of
55:46
custody on that meat and the meat quality is going to be a
55:49
higher grade because there's a, you know, me and the person that
55:52
butchered it or processes it are the only human interactions or
55:56
any outside element that went into the handling of that meat.
56:00
So I watched the documentaries on the slaughterhouses and
56:02
everything and I'm like, Oh my gosh.
56:04
Like, I don't even want, I don't want, you know, like me
56:06
personally, I just don't want anything to do with that
56:09
commercialization of the the the food that I put in my body.
56:12
I expect good things out of my body.
56:13
I like to put good things into it.
56:15
Totally. You could read any book that you
56:16
want. The highest protein pound per
56:18
pound meat on earth is elk. You can't.
56:21
Bison comes close, deer comes close, but elk is at the top of
56:24
the list for the the the quality of meat that you could put in
56:28
so. And when it's killed,
56:30
instantaneously, it's out there just basking in the glory of its
56:35
life. And then it's over.
56:37
Yeah, there's that cortisol. Yeah.
56:39
There's no cortisol release. There's No Fear, trauma,
56:42
disorientation, pain flowing through their meat.
56:45
Yeah, it's just. And it's.
56:46
Hard it's hard to shoot them, you know what I mean?
56:49
If I had to like, do you like shooting animals?
56:52
Like not really, no. But you know, but at the same
56:54
time, I got to eat and I like to get my food from that source,
56:58
you know, and I like to be the one that does it.
56:59
I don't. Yeah, my dad's always called it
57:01
like harvesting. Yeah, I'm gonna go hunting, but
57:03
I'm harvesting. Yeah.
57:04
He hates it when like, crews will be like, we're gonna go
57:07
kill an animal, you know, and like my 9 year old.
57:10
Yeah. He's not quite there yet.
57:11
Yeah. He's a boy figuring it out.
57:13
Yeah. Yeah.
57:14
He dislikes, like, guns and he's like, wait, wait, wait, we're
57:17
harvesting, you know, we're gonna eat this meat.
57:19
We're gonna do that. You know, it's pretty cool.
57:21
And I know Sam does that too. Sam's really his dad.
57:23
Yeah. Is really he's.
57:24
In touch with the earth and everything.
57:26
Yeah, when? You started hunting pretty
57:30
young. Had you killed?
57:32
Had you harvested an animal prior to your army?
57:36
Endless. Oh.
57:36
Yeah, yeah, yeah. As teenagers and stuff growing
57:38
around, growing up around here in Grass Pass, we were black
57:40
tail hunting and Turkey hunting, and my first trip to Montana was
57:43
way before the Army. I just wasn't successful.
57:45
I had opportunities, you know, pulling back my bow and arrow
57:49
and being set up. But if one thing's wrong, then I
57:53
won't shoot the arrow. You know what I mean?
57:55
If I see any probability of like a branch being in the way that
57:57
could deflect my arrow and potentially wound the animal so
58:00
I can't recover it, then I just won't take the shot.
58:02
Wait till I have a perfect, perfect, perfect shot.
58:04
So that's why the first branch bull was, was special because
58:08
everything lined up all of a sudden, you know what I mean?
58:10
I had had big elk animals and deer, whatever around me at full
58:14
draw ready to shoot, but just decided to pass.
58:17
You know what I mean? Because I'm going to make sure
58:18
that everything I want everything to go good.
58:20
I don't want I don't want to wing an arrow and hit it in its
58:23
hind quarter, have it run 17 miles and then, you know, pass
58:27
away. Try to try to not have that be
58:30
the situation. Try to make and that's why I
58:31
have to practice all the time. I'm going to make a heart lung
58:34
lethal shot animals not going to go far.
58:36
It's not going to suffer and it would be, you know, on the
58:39
ground before it even knows what hit him, like you said.
58:42
You know, there's do you do any rifle hunting?
58:44
I have grown up, but I don't anymore.
58:46
It took, I don't know, it just took the, the sportsman out of
58:50
it. The hunting with the bow and
58:51
arrow is more primal and it matches with the skill levels
58:54
that I, that I have. You know what I mean?
58:56
I, I, I can hike in, I can camouflage myself, I can, I can
59:01
make it more challenging. Basically to me, I, and if I had
59:05
to, you know, go on a hunt with a rifle, I got no problem with
59:07
it. I got no problem with rifle
59:09
hunters. I just did that, you know, aged
59:10
1011121314 about the time I was like 1516 or my first archery
59:15
trip trip to he was at Bald Eagle right there.
59:17
Oh buddy, look at that bald eagle swoop.
59:27
Did he catch 1? Yep.
59:29
Success. Oh, and that great blue Heron in
59:33
the trees. Yeah, he might have robbed it
59:35
from. He might have robbed it from
59:36
him, maybe. Oh my God, that was amazing.
59:38
I didn't get my actual phone up quick enough.
59:41
Maybe he'll come back. But I did get footage on here.
59:45
Awesome. I think I couldn't.
59:49
But yeah, I prefer archery hunting for that fact because
59:51
it's more challenging. I like to work for that animal
59:54
and not just walk up, find it 400 yards away and blast it with
59:59
a rifle. Mm Hmm.
1:00:01
If I had to, I would, but I don't have to, you know, I have
1:00:04
the means. I could, I could go buy, you
1:00:06
know, whole locker beef if I wanted to, You know what I mean?
1:00:11
If I wanted to get good meat in the freezer.
1:00:12
So I just prefer artery hunting. It's a lot harder.
1:00:15
It's a lot more challenging. And as far as like grander
1:00:19
environmental impact, there's no sound when you shoot that arrow
1:00:23
versus shooting a rifle and that reverberates through the woods
1:00:27
and. Alerts other hunters, other
1:00:29
animals that something's going on.
1:00:31
But it's it's totally legal, ethical everything to to rifle
1:00:34
hunt. I just choose not to.
1:00:36
Now I'm entirely assuming that you killed people in the army.
1:00:41
How does like emotionally? How does that experience of
1:00:49
lethal shooting compare contrast to animal lethal shooting?
1:00:55
Completely different because the emotional attachment is, is, you
1:00:59
know, black and white, you know what I mean?
1:01:01
I'm out there going elk hunting to sustain my body.
1:01:04
Like put nutrients in. Defending yourself is a whole
1:01:07
nother realm, you know what I mean?
1:01:08
And that's the only instance that I've ever been in the Army
1:01:10
where I had to make a, you know, decision or train for or prepare
1:01:13
for was in the instance that if you attack me, I'll attack you
1:01:17
back. Only you know what I mean.
1:01:18
Like. The most kind of self
1:01:20
preservation, but one is sustenance versus.
1:01:24
Survivability. Yeah.
1:01:25
And there's one thing like, you know, you're when I'm hunting an
1:01:29
elk, the the elk, potentially, it could kill me if it, you
1:01:32
know, got me down with his horns.
1:01:33
But for the most part, it's not after me that Elk's not after
1:01:37
me. Yeah, the Taliban.
1:01:38
It's not going to eat. It's not going to eat you.
1:01:39
Yeah, it's not. Yeah, predator hunting then, you
1:01:42
know, because I do bear hunts and stuff like that.
1:01:44
But that's more population control.
1:01:46
That's backed by biologists and scientists saying, hey, there's
1:01:50
way too many black bears, you know, in southwest Oregon.
1:01:54
They're decimating the deer and elk population.
1:01:56
They because they'll just RIP apart the, you know, the the
1:02:00
babies, the offspring. So that is because a predator
1:02:04
can can RIP us up, you know, So that's increases the thrill.
1:02:10
But at the same time, I'm not as motivated because I don't prefer
1:02:13
that game meat. If I was starving, I would eat a
1:02:17
bear. But if I had to pick between a
1:02:19
bear and elk, I'm going elk hunting all the time, you know?
1:02:23
Got to love that bear pepperoni. I got breakfast sausage done on
1:02:26
my last one, all of it, The whole bear went to Taylor
1:02:29
Sausage out in Cave Junction and I said, hey, breakfast sausage,
1:02:32
the whole thing, and it all came out pretty good, but it was
1:02:34
expensive, you know what I mean? Like it ended up being the same
1:02:37
prices if we went and bought, you know, commercial pork
1:02:41
breakfast sausage. So it was no cost savings where
1:02:46
elk becomes. A pretty.
1:02:46
Good cost. Savings.
1:02:47
Yeah, yeah. To process an elk, I think
1:02:49
they're, you know, between $1.30 and $1.80 a pound cut and
1:02:54
wrapped everything from bringing the animal in quarter to in my
1:02:58
freezer. So if you're, if you're under
1:03:00
$2.00 a pound on quality meat, then you're, you're doing pretty
1:03:04
good. You know, like we went to Costco
1:03:06
and we got pound per pound the same out of beef by steaks and
1:03:09
cuts. You're, you're 567 dollars a
1:03:12
pound. But then there's that is cost,
1:03:15
you know, like I got to, I drive all the way to Montana.
1:03:18
They're non resident tags. You know, it's, it's, it's being
1:03:21
thousands of dollars to go over there.
1:03:22
So like you said, you know you grew up fishing as a recreation.
1:03:26
That's part. Of it, yeah, that's part of it,
1:03:28
you know. Have you ever been afraid in the
1:03:31
woods? I mean, not like, not like
1:03:36
afraid, but I've definitely like had the hair standing up on the
1:03:38
back of my neck kind of situation like a Mountain Lion
1:03:41
come in full speed, 40 miles an hour, and then I have this like
1:03:46
sixth sense to look over my shoulder and then there there's
1:03:50
a Mountain Lion, you know, coming, coming right at me.
1:03:54
Like chasing you? Yeah, So what?
1:03:59
Where were you right? There really that was here in
1:04:02
southwest Oregon, that was in the in the Siski Range.
1:04:09
Dang, what did you do? Did you shoot it?
1:04:11
No. Or.
1:04:14
Yeah, how do you self? Defense.
1:04:16
It wasn't that threatening. They're, they're all animals,
1:04:20
right? They, they're just coming to
1:04:21
check me out, more or less. They might be, they might be
1:04:24
doing me harm, but there's a what?
1:04:28
Were you doing I? Don't have any.
1:04:29
I don't have any fear of that kind of stuff anymore.
1:04:31
Like I got over that, that at a very young age, you know me,
1:04:33
like being spooked out of sleeping in the woods or bears,
1:04:36
you know, I've had, I've had bears standing right on top of
1:04:39
me. I'm in my tent, but the bear is
1:04:41
on top of the tent on top of me trying to sniff through the tent
1:04:46
and smell what I am. And I can feel the bears breath
1:04:51
coming out of his, you know, out of his mouth and through the the
1:04:55
fabric of the tent. Yikes, can feel some.
1:05:00
But it's really not because the bears, The bears.
1:05:02
Just curious. Yeah, that Mountain Lion
1:05:04
charging situation, as I look back on it, you know, it's like
1:05:08
maybe the Mountain Lion saw potential prey like below, you
1:05:15
know, like below me, like where I was looking at the same Meadow
1:05:18
I was looking at. That could have been the
1:05:19
situation. And then once I turned and we
1:05:21
locked eyes, you know, the the cat did kind of change its like
1:05:24
path a little bit. But in the moment, you know,
1:05:28
really felt like the cat was just, you know, coming right at
1:05:30
me. Were you out hunting?
1:05:32
And it was, yeah, I was, yeah, I was deer hunting basically, and
1:05:35
looking like, you know, had a Meadow out in front of me, left
1:05:39
to right, maybe 120° left and right visibility that I could
1:05:44
see this whole big Meadow. And I got timber and wood line
1:05:47
all behind me, sparse though, and, and old growth.
1:05:50
So you could see, I could see quite a ways behind me and it
1:05:53
started to rain and I was just looking over the Meadow, like I
1:05:56
said, waiting for a deer maybe to potentially walk by.
1:05:58
And I get the 6th sense or this like feeling like something's,
1:06:01
you know, if you have you ever had that feeling like
1:06:03
something's looking at me, something's, something's off.
1:06:06
And as soon as I turn, I turn my head like this, like I'm eye to
1:06:10
eye with this cat and it's full speed coming like right at me.
1:06:13
So it's closing the distance. So we're talking like within a
1:06:15
second it goes from 20 yards away to like 4.
1:06:18
Holy. Shit.
1:06:19
And as soon as he's like, you know, 4, as soon as he's like 4
1:06:24
yards away, it almost seemed like the cat changed its path.
1:06:28
Like, I can see his paws, like, you know, pushing one way.
1:06:30
So it kind of missed me off the left side by like 8 to 10 yards.
1:06:34
And he just kept hauling butt through all the way through the
1:06:36
Meadow. Wow.
1:06:38
In the direction that my truck was parked too.
1:06:40
So I had to. I had.
1:06:41
To go that way. Lots of times or a handful of
1:06:46
times I've been between black bear and Cubs.
1:06:51
That could be like a little little nerve wracking because
1:06:54
the sow that's a female bear, they'll get defensive of their
1:06:57
young of course, and they put their fear of humans, it
1:07:01
basically goes out the window and they will attack.
1:07:04
And then back to when you harvest an elk and you're miles
1:07:10
and miles into some remote. Oh, sorry, I'm listening.
1:07:13
But Heather, hold your cast. See all this big bedrock out
1:07:16
there? Just wait until you see a big
1:07:17
green patch coming. Up out of here.
1:07:19
Tangle. Tangle too.
1:07:19
Oh. OK, here, let me just point it
1:07:21
to me, but go ahead, Emily. I'm what's and you're out there
1:07:25
alone. You're miles and miles away from
1:07:28
anything and anyone. How do you get that elk?
1:07:32
Oh, we quarter them. And if you're by yourself, you
1:07:35
are quartering and carrying four trips.
1:07:39
So you're going back and forth four times for each quarter.
1:07:43
You're hiking out with one quarter miles and miles.
1:07:47
Drop it to. The quarter vehicle or camp,
1:07:49
whatever is the closest and then going back again for the for the
1:07:53
other loads. And that could all happen in one
1:07:56
day? Or is that like a multi day?
1:07:58
Definitely have has to happen within hours because the the
1:08:01
meat will sour and spoil. Or get taken by another
1:08:06
predator. Yeah, or get taken by another
1:08:07
predator is a possibility. So how far from your quad would
1:08:14
you feel comfortable going to know that you could get back in
1:08:19
the time frame to keep the meat fresh?
1:08:23
It would just have to. Depend on.
1:08:24
There like radius from quad for. It would depend on terrain, you
1:08:29
know, but there's no like one distance.
1:08:32
If you, you guys have been outside in the woods, it's a big
1:08:36
difference walking 4 miles downhill versus 4 miles uphill.
1:08:38
So, and I try and I try to logistically place the the quad
1:08:41
or the vehicle or camp or whatever with, with the down on
1:08:47
the downhill side, you know, so I'm carrying all my meat
1:08:49
downhill and then I could hall butt, you know, come up for the
1:08:52
next, the next load. So there's no set anything, but
1:08:57
I would just make sure that I could get and and temperature
1:08:59
would matter too. Like if you if you shoot an elk
1:09:02
or have meat of any animal, you know, down on the ground, you
1:09:07
want to go as quickly as possible.
1:09:09
But if it's November and it's snowing, that meat will last
1:09:12
days, you know, like at that temperature, not a it's not a
1:09:16
big rush. I'm just talking about
1:09:17
specifically that first elk. It was September.
1:09:21
So we, you know, we wanted to. Hurry, that makes sense.
1:09:24
But to further answer your question, Emily, like, you know,
1:09:27
every, everything would be taken into consideration, you know,
1:09:30
and if I had a long ways to go and the four trips were going to
1:09:34
be long and tiring, I would prepare to meet like in a cache
1:09:38
in the shade, you know, in the coolest part, like, you know,
1:09:42
and if you guys don't know, different terrain features in
1:09:47
the woods will offer different temperatures at different times.
1:09:50
So draws, you know, are usually pockets of cold air as the warm
1:09:55
air releases out of a valley and comes up in elevation.
1:09:58
So you find what's called a draw, which is like the opposite
1:10:02
of a spur. Spurs are like this.
1:10:03
And the draws like this. There's usually water in draws
1:10:06
or seasonal, you know, so cooler temperatures always are in the
1:10:11
draw. So if I kill an animal and I'm
1:10:13
near a draw, I'm going to, I'm going to bail down in that draw,
1:10:16
get, you know, everything tied up and in the shade,
1:10:20
anticipating where the sun's going to be so that it all
1:10:22
remains in the shade. And as soon as long as you have
1:10:24
the hide off of the meat, the meat will get, you know, kind of
1:10:28
like a a callus on it and it'll it'll protect the internal, you
1:10:32
know, parts of the muscle fibers and everything.
1:10:35
And it's not going to go rotten very fast if you leave it in for
1:10:39
a long time on the bone or if you don't bone it out, that
1:10:42
could also, you know, lead to spoilage faster if it's on the
1:10:45
bone. So if I had to hustle in a
1:10:46
situation, I could also do that too because bone is heavy.
1:10:49
All the bones of an elk might be 80 lbs.
1:10:52
So if I could take the time in that draw in the shade before I
1:10:55
even start hiking to get all the meat off of the bone and
1:10:58
packaged correctly in game bags, then I could probably get a
1:11:01
whole elk out in two trips, you know, or maybe three or two.
1:11:04
It's less trips, maybe a further distance, but I'm only going to
1:11:08
have to go back and forth so much.
1:11:10
So I would have to make all of that plan either on the flyer
1:11:14
the night before to know what region I'm in, what you know
1:11:17
what, what what's the environment like Environment
1:11:20
would play a huge. You.
1:11:21
Are a plan you have to plan, yeah.
1:11:24
Would you say that you plan lots of like most of your life?
1:11:27
Everything in my life, everything is a plan.
1:11:29
Yeah, are you a list maker? 10 year, five year yeah list
1:11:32
checklist and I do a lot of it like audio notes now cuz it's
1:11:37
just faster talk to text, you know like I was telling you
1:11:40
about AI organization. I don't use that like in stuff,
1:11:42
but like I build my own house, same thing.
1:11:44
It's like I gotta, here's phase one, phase two, phase three, I
1:11:48
gotta be XML over, you know, budget Cuz you're, you know,
1:11:51
they say when you build a house, you're always gonna go over
1:11:53
budget. But I try to allocate the the
1:11:57
time and resources and money via my list to stay on track the
1:12:01
best I could. Is your wife also a planner or?
1:12:04
No, she's a leaf in the wind. The plan She's a leaf in the
1:12:08
wind A. Leaf in the wind, yeah.
1:12:11
You got a Ying and Yang to make it.
1:12:12
She's really probably she does all that stuff at work.
1:12:17
Probably it's evident you pretty much have to as a nurse, but she
1:12:20
doesn't at home. We don't know.
1:12:24
We don't know what's for dinner. Who knows?
1:12:26
Dad cooking her, mom cooking, moms cooking like leaf in the
1:12:29
wind. But.
1:12:31
I am like that but my my husband has forced me to not be like
1:12:35
that. He's like, he brought your shit
1:12:37
together. Yeah, but like you said, it's
1:12:38
the Ying and the Yang. As long as somebody's got a
1:12:41
plan, then everything's gonna be OK.
1:12:42
Yeah, as long as the person who doesn't have the plan follows
1:12:46
the plan, yeah, then everything will be OK.
1:12:48
Yeah. Otherwise, what the fuck are we
1:12:50
having a plan for if you're not gonna follow it?
1:12:53
And she's probably more particular about planning and
1:12:55
things that I just don't think about, you know what I mean?
1:12:57
Like she doesn't, she doesn't hunt animals.
1:13:00
She'll she likes to cook it and she likes to eat it and she has
1:13:03
no problem with the, you know, the the process of hunting at
1:13:08
all, But she's just she's not going to be thinking about, you
1:13:12
know, do I have my skinning knife this morning before I.
1:13:16
Before I head out for. The day before I head out for
1:13:18
the day. She's not planning like that.
1:13:20
She's not taking her skinning knife to the to her nursing
1:13:24
patients. No, that's good.
1:13:27
Are you the car Packer? When you guys go on a trip, do
1:13:29
you pack the car? Yeah.
1:13:32
Sean's the Packer. Yeah, do the Tetris.
1:13:35
Yeah, packing or that. And that's all Army stuff, you
1:13:37
know what I mean? Like I used to live out of my
1:13:39
backpack in the Army. You'd go, you know, months at a
1:13:42
time, living in a tent and carrying everything that I need
1:13:45
in a rucksack. So rolling my underwear and
1:13:49
rolling socks as a space saver, tucking it into my shoes to cram
1:13:53
them down. You guys do the same thing when
1:13:54
you hike. And how to balance.
1:13:55
You want to balance your pack weight wise, Yeah.
1:14:00
And that's all fun stuff to me. Totally.
1:14:04
It's more fun now that I'm that you know, I'm doing it for me
1:14:07
and not for the Army. Yeah.
1:14:09
Yeah, totally. Your own enjoyment.
1:14:11
Because we used to just have to wake up at 4:00 in the morning
1:14:13
and start walking all day. We'd be walking to no end.
1:14:18
We don't know. We're not, we don't have
1:14:19
anything to do. We're just going to go walk and
1:14:21
walk and walk and walk. I didn't mind the the rough
1:14:24
marching of the hiking that I like that.
1:14:26
I didn't like running. Be like, oh, we're going to do a
1:14:28
five mile run on Friday. I'm.
1:14:30
Like damn, I'm like, I don't. Want to run 5 miles?
1:14:35
Unless something's chasing you. Yeah, unless I have to.
1:14:37
Yeah, and. Then when you're when you're
1:14:39
home and you've harvested an animal, do you like self butcher
1:14:44
or do you take it to a professional butcher?
1:14:47
How do how does the meat get processed?
1:14:50
I could do it either way. I'm set up to do it myself and I
1:14:53
could, but I, I just prefer to have somebody else do it as, as
1:14:57
you know, that's what they do for a living.
1:15:00
They do it all the time. So I, I, I want it done a
1:15:03
particular way or a particular, you know, way.
1:15:05
And they're so much faster because they're set up like a
1:15:07
commercial. You know, the guy that I use in
1:15:08
Grants Pass or the one that we use in Montana, they can have it
1:15:13
done in two or three days where it might take me, you know, four
1:15:16
or five. And then it's sanitizing tables
1:15:18
and it's sanitizing meat grinders and all of the
1:15:20
different attachments and stuff. And while I'm set up to do it,
1:15:24
my tools are very basic. You know, they have everything
1:15:27
that they need and they can get it done and you got to pay them
1:15:29
to do that. But it still ends up being a
1:15:31
higher value to me than it is going to the grocery store and
1:15:34
paying, you know, for T bones and and different cuts.
1:15:37
I'd rather just have the, you know, the butcher do it and take
1:15:39
care of it. Yeah.
1:15:40
And is there a specific butcher or is it like the Fred Meyer
1:15:44
butcher? No, you can't take so they they
1:15:47
have to be authorized to take wild game meats different
1:15:49
permitting of some of some sort. So you couldn't take an animal
1:15:52
to just to any butcher. It would have to be somebody
1:15:54
that is licensed to do wild game.
1:15:56
And you have to keep wild and domestic games separated, like
1:15:59
in their, you know, freezers and shops and everything.
1:16:01
They keep it all separate. But there is someone locally
1:16:05
does it. Yeah, Pete Tibbets, Pete Custom
1:16:07
Meats. He's on Helms Road in Grants
1:16:10
Pass. I've taken, I took, I got an elk
1:16:13
in in January of this year and I took that out to him.
1:16:17
I think I took a bear. Yeah, I took a bear a while back
1:16:19
and then he's done some beef for me and and he does a good job.
1:16:23
Nice. He does a good job every time.
1:16:25
Never any mix ups or mistakes or or nothing.
1:16:28
Are you Pete's Custom Meats? Yeah, Pete.
1:16:30
'S great name. His his daughters are probably
1:16:33
like your guys's age. What's his last name?
1:16:35
Tibbets. Stephanie Tibbets.
1:16:38
Yep. Stephanie's one of them.
1:16:39
I know an Isabella but she's in South end of the valley.
1:16:43
Yeah, I only know Stephanie is one of them because on their, on
1:16:46
their, their price menu, you know, for like I, I like to get
1:16:51
pepperoni sticks made out of wild game.
1:16:53
So it's like pepperoni jerky basically.
1:16:57
And one of his recipes is called the Stephanie Special.
1:16:59
He named it after his daughter because she likes spicy.
1:17:02
So it's got habanero, jalapeno and cheddar cheese into the
1:17:05
pepper stick. Cool.
1:17:09
Yeah, I don't know really know how I know her.
1:17:11
Maybe Facebook, you know, I don't know.
1:17:13
Small town, shit small town. Yeah, small town, totally.
1:17:17
Do you, do you have any mounts in your house?
1:17:21
Do you have any? Yeah, any taxidermy I don't do
1:17:24
so they're just skull above. Yeah, European or or just sawed
1:17:29
off from the antler. I think it's I'm just call me
1:17:34
cheap or whatever. Like even if I have the the
1:17:37
means to do like a $3000 shoulder mount with, you know,
1:17:41
hide on, I probably wouldn't spend the money.
1:17:43
Yeah, I'd buy something else. That's the one thing.
1:17:46
You can't eat horns, Yeah. Right.
1:17:48
That's the one thing that I'm like, what when my dad passes?
1:17:51
Like what am I gonna do with all of his taxidermy?
1:17:54
Yeah. There's like Elk Lodge in
1:17:56
different places. They'll take it, they'll put it
1:17:57
on display and you know. Tyler, you still have your
1:18:00
parents alive. My mom, yeah, and, and her,
1:18:04
she's remarried, so my stepdad's still around, but.
1:18:07
Has your dad been gone for a while?
1:18:08
Like 10, I think 8 or 10 years. OK.
1:18:10
Yeah. See, it's 2025.
1:18:13
I think he was 2015. Yes, it's been right at 10
1:18:17
years. Were you close with him?
1:18:18
Yeah, yeah. Was it sudden or was it?
1:18:21
Yeah, sudden heart attack. Oh, I'm so sorry.
1:18:25
That's awful. Are there moments, times when
1:18:28
you're out here doing things that you would have done with
1:18:30
him, where you feel? Oh yeah, his presence.
1:18:32
Yeah, yeah. And my grandfather too, because
1:18:35
I fished and haunted with him a lot.
1:18:37
Do you have any kind of like ceremonial or practice that you
1:18:44
do to acknowledge them or call them in or woo woo, I think you
1:18:52
jumped off, damn it. On and off.
1:18:56
No, not, not really. You know, I just kind of, like
1:19:00
you said, like you could feel their presence.
1:19:02
You know, they're there and it's almost like my, my grandpa's
1:19:06
with me in a lot of different moments out, out, out in the
1:19:08
woods. And it was, it was a different
1:19:10
bullet elk, but it was another one where it was the last day I
1:19:13
had to get, I had to get back to Oregon in Montana.
1:19:17
And I was in a tree stand. We were, I was tree stand
1:19:19
hunting and it was like the last minute, right?
1:19:24
I was like looking at the clock and it's like, OK, well, I'm
1:19:26
going to, I'm going to keep hunting for 5-10 more minutes.
1:19:30
And then out of nowhere this big bull elk, you know, appears and
1:19:34
it come walking down the trail and I think it's coming right
1:19:36
for me. And then it doesn't, it just
1:19:38
moves over to the side. And I was like, oh come on
1:19:41
grandpa, just send me an elk, you know?
1:19:43
And I turn around to start unbuckling the tree, because of
1:19:46
course you have to unbuckle all the tree stand equipment and
1:19:49
lower it down and climb down. You know, like spikes that are
1:19:54
in the tree that you use as a ladder when like.
1:19:59
Then out of nowhere the he sent me another bull, but it was
1:20:02
smaller, you know. And you were able to get that
1:20:04
one. Yeah, yeah, I shot it.
1:20:05
I killed it. Nice, thanks.
1:20:08
Grandpa. Yeah, I sent me another one.
1:20:11
Not as big, but just as delicious.
1:20:14
Maybe he knew that the bigger one would have been more
1:20:17
challenging to carry out, or you didn't have the time.
1:20:20
For a shot on it or something. Yeah, Oh.
1:20:23
This day is just heavenly. Yeah, it's kind of what I
1:20:25
needed. Just a day on a boat.
1:20:28
Just a day on the boat for real. I'm excited for when we start
1:20:31
our more rafting trips and stuff.
1:20:35
Nothing like a day on the boat. It's just so relaxing.
1:20:39
Yeah, it's just a different vibe.
1:20:42
Howdy when you? Bite.
1:20:46
Yeah, in the boat. Just us.
1:20:52
What did he say? Got anything in the boat?
1:20:55
Beautiful. Do you have any advice, Tyler,
1:20:58
for somebody just getting into fishing, hunting, outdoor food
1:21:05
harvesting? Yeah, I would say hire a guide.
1:21:10
It's, it's a, it's like almost unmountable or, you know,
1:21:17
realizing in the beginning how much information that you could
1:21:19
get from a local guide going out and spending the day more often
1:21:24
than not, if the guide is a good person and stuff, they, they end
1:21:28
up being, you know, friends all throughout the future.
1:21:30
So you have follow up questions. I've guided young, you know, you
1:21:34
know, 2020 year old guys, you know some of them.
1:21:37
I enlisted into the Army and we still maintain a relationship
1:21:41
and I take them fishing and hunting and, you know, they,
1:21:45
they booked me in the past and they'll have follow up questions
1:21:48
like six months later, a year later.
1:21:50
Hey, Tyler, what's the best piece of equipment or you know
1:21:53
what, what, what caliber of, you know, rifle shell should I use
1:21:58
on my bear hunt, stuff like that.
1:22:02
But if you were just somebody that was like brand new, right
1:22:05
out-of-the-box looking to get outdoor hunting and fishing
1:22:09
skills, Yeah, definitely going with a guide will at least get
1:22:14
you the 1st it gives you, gives them a foundation, you know what
1:22:19
I mean? It would be nearly impossible
1:22:21
for somebody, I think, to just wake up one day and decide that
1:22:26
they were going to, you know, be a hunter, you know, a hunter or
1:22:29
fisherman. Just going to go out and learn
1:22:31
this sport today. Very different from baseball or
1:22:35
basketball or. It wouldn't be impossible.
1:22:37
It'd be very challenging, though.
1:22:39
And the challenge would come with a lot of, like, wasted
1:22:42
money, time and resource. Does that make sense?
1:22:45
You know, somebody could go and spend, you know, ungodly amounts
1:22:51
of money, but they're just not even hunting in the right spot
1:22:55
or not fishing in the right spot, you know?
1:22:56
Yeah. And there are those, you know,
1:22:57
this kind of be like, you got a $3000 rod, you got a $10,000
1:23:03
boat, you got everything. But you're not, you're not in
1:23:05
the zone. You're not.
1:23:07
You're not with the fish right now.
1:23:08
Yeah, getting lots of casting practice, but yeah, no catching
1:23:12
practice. Right bring them in guys.
1:23:14
We'll motor up, let's do another, let's do one more pass
1:23:16
and we'll. Call it I have an interesting
1:23:23
story once we get up here. Have a funny story about this
1:23:26
spot right here real quick. So about right here, we were up
1:23:30
here hanging out this little sandy spot right here.
1:23:34
And I don't know, it's just a nice summer day or whatever and
1:23:38
I hear a bunch of dogs barking. So there's like property up
1:23:41
here, you know, people's property and a bunch of dogs
1:23:43
barking and we can kind of hear them running this way, from up
1:23:48
there, this way. And a freaking deer, the dog
1:23:52
chased the deer off the Cliff and just fucking plummeted to
1:23:56
its death. And it was almost kind of like
1:23:58
spooky. And we were like, what the fuck,
1:24:01
That's crazy. And it was.
1:24:03
But we like. Go ahead, Emily, leave us off
1:24:06
when you're ready. Left, right.
1:24:08
Yeah. It was very.
1:24:09
A little bit of extra line is kind of deep right through here.
1:24:14
It was very crazy to watch. Yeah, because it just like pour.
1:24:19
Just shake it a little bit. There it goes.
1:24:21
Poor dear, poor dear. Yeah, but survival fittest.
1:24:26
No, obviously for your your work and your recreation, you have
1:24:30
very specific gear that you're using that are essential for you
1:24:36
to do your job and and do your hunting.
1:24:39
What's a piece of gear that you always have with you, no matter
1:24:43
what you're doing, no matter the weather setting, you're like
1:24:48
that piece of gear. I don't think there is just one
1:24:56
because I mean I then I would take hunting and both hunting
1:25:00
and fishing or just fishing. Something you don't leave home
1:25:03
without? Yeah.
1:25:05
Probably my, you know, for safety related navigation would
1:25:10
be my, my Garmin, you know, because it's 2A radio, it's GPS
1:25:20
and I could, you know, put out a distress signal and that's
1:25:24
called Garmin in reach. So I can communicate with the
1:25:28
subscription no matter where I am in the world back home, you
1:25:33
know, or anywhere. So that but, but at the same
1:25:36
time, it's like I don't really take that phishing one piece of
1:25:42
equipment a knife, you know, that's, that's probably the the
1:25:46
one. Yeah.
1:25:47
A good sharp knife would go anywhere that I was going.
1:25:50
Do you have a brand an outdoor? Recreation.
1:25:54
No because I mean for fishing. I like the Bubba filet knives
1:25:58
but I would never use that hunting it's a it's the wrong
1:26:00
style. Filet knife is for fish.
1:26:03
And then I like the outdoor edge interchangeable blade knives for
1:26:07
skinning an animal. And then an everyday pocket
1:26:10
knife. You can't go wrong with like
1:26:12
Benchmade pocket knife's a pocket knife to me.
1:26:16
There's so many good ones, you know, but quality steel pocket
1:26:20
knife to have in your pocket is good.
1:26:22
And then yeah, different knife for different purposes.
1:26:25
But I do like the have you guys seen those interchangeable blade
1:26:27
knives? So they're like, they're like a
1:26:31
razor cartridge just like, you know, shaving your legs or
1:26:34
shaving my face. You can throw away the the old
1:26:36
one and put on a new one. But it's a it's in a pocket
1:26:40
knife or foldable collapsible knife style.
1:26:42
So once you're razor blade and it's razor sharp, obviously, you
1:26:45
know, there's no sharpening stone involved with that.
1:26:49
Once the one blade is dull, it's a throw away.
1:26:53
Put the new. Put the new the new blade on.
1:26:58
That's really cool. Yeah, very cool.
1:27:00
Wow. And never, you know, never
1:27:04
having to worry about having a dull knife.
1:27:06
You'll just you'll always have a replacement or a handful of
1:27:08
replacement blades. And you're sharp, razor sharp.
1:27:12
Yeah. But yeah, equipment wise is
1:27:13
difficult because, man, I mean, the equipment would change.
1:27:17
Even even going from steelhead fishing to salmon fishing at
1:27:20
all, the equipment changes. It's not the same rod, it's not
1:27:23
the same reel. It's not the same bait, not the
1:27:25
same hook, not the same weight. But you always have a knife.
1:27:29
Always have a knife. How many fishing rods you think
1:27:32
you got you own? Total fishing rods.
1:27:36
Oh, she's, I don't know, at least 60, probably 80.
1:27:41
Yeah, a lot of fishing rods cuz, you know, a family rods, a
1:27:44
family rod, a skin casting cast level 1, just just so many.
1:27:48
But I categorize all my equipment.
1:27:50
You know, this is probably important for your podcast where
1:27:51
listeners might like to hear this, but there's always, you
1:27:57
know, there's tools that you need for the pursuit.
1:28:00
That would be rods, reels, hooks, everything.
1:28:02
And then there's equipment that you need for the catch, right?
1:28:07
Or bagging an elk or shooting an elk.
1:28:08
You know, you have to have an arrow, you have to have a broad
1:28:10
head, and then you have to have a a block of equipment for the
1:28:14
after the kill. So now you need to process the
1:28:17
animal correctly. If it's a fish, you know, fish
1:28:19
and deer, no different. But you know, making sure that
1:28:22
you have a sanitary environment when you're filling fish.
1:28:24
You don't want to ever fill a fish in the in the in The Dirty
1:28:27
water or have a dirty table. So that's kind of how I
1:28:30
categorize my hunting trips or my fishing trips is 1.
1:28:34
Do I have everything that I need to get there?
1:28:36
That would be like boat, boat fuel.
1:28:39
You know, you gotta have the transportation and stuff and
1:28:43
then the medium part, the activity for the day rods,
1:28:48
reels, lines, leaders, hooks. You know, we haven't caught a
1:28:52
fish yet, but we, we ain't going to catch 1 without a hook and a
1:28:54
reel and a rod, you know, so that's the that's the activity
1:28:57
piece of the equipment. And then do you have everything
1:28:59
you need to close out the day, cut the fish, cut the animal bag
1:29:03
it properly. All right, really man guys,
1:29:05
let's do one more pass down this bank.
1:29:07
I really haven't came down this this bank tight and I want to
1:29:10
give that at least one try. Heck.
1:29:12
Yeah. As long as you guys aren't
1:29:14
burning up. We're good, we're happy.
1:29:16
It's getting warm, but it's not too bad.
1:29:17
Oh, it's great. And Emily, the most important
1:29:20
thing is a good batch of biscuit juice.
1:29:24
What is? This.
1:29:25
Don't leave home without it. That's like scent so you can.
1:29:28
That stuff catches fish. OK.
1:29:30
It's just a scent, yeah. Do you make it yourself?
1:29:34
Yeah, homemade recipe. What is it?
1:29:37
Is it a secret recipe? Secret recipe, yeah.
1:29:39
Can't tell us or you have to kill us.
1:29:40
Yeah, and that's what I call what, like your baits that you
1:29:45
have on those are biscuits. OK.
1:29:47
So I like to feed biscuits to fish and then they get a little
1:29:51
thirsty so you got to get them a little juice.
1:29:55
You know, they get a little dry mouth.
1:30:00
Oh, you're a. Seed and other equipment, you
1:30:03
know, like what what things that are taken for granted is making
1:30:07
sure like things like the boat motor, you know, are are tuned
1:30:11
and maintained correctly oil changes on time, you know, and
1:30:15
the, the more boats you add to the your fleet or the more 4
1:30:17
Wheelers you have in hunt camp that that can't go without
1:30:25
without extreme detail because if my motor breaks down, I'm
1:30:29
done. Go ahead Emily, lead us off from
1:30:32
right to left. Try to favor that soft water
1:30:34
from left to right. I'm sorry misguided you a little
1:30:38
bit. Well, I misguided myself there
1:30:41
too. Yeah, give it a little shake
1:30:43
again. There we go.
1:30:44
Well, Tyler, how do you want to be remembered when you leave
1:30:47
this earth? What are you hoping for people
1:30:49
to say about you and remember about you?
1:30:52
I, I wouldn't even care the slightest as long as my kids
1:30:57
have, you know, golden memories of spending time with me and the
1:31:01
things that we've done, That's all I care about is them.
1:31:07
Amazing. Think you're doing a good job on
1:31:10
that so far. Oh yeah, awesome.
1:31:12
Yeah. You know, like it's I'm so
1:31:14
blessed and fortunate to to be able to, you know, work hard
1:31:18
when I want to work hard and then just take time off for the
1:31:21
kids and stay home. You'll see me do that.
1:31:24
If you guys are following my social media, all of a sudden
1:31:26
you'll see me doing a whole bunch of nail, you know,
1:31:30
painting my daughter's nails and barbecuing at home and doing
1:31:33
that stuff. And then and then you won't see
1:31:35
much for like 40 days. And you can assume that I'm on
1:31:37
the river when you don't see much for like 30 or 40 days or
1:31:40
you just or you, you only see like, you know, a bunch of fish
1:31:46
pictures. That's when you're working,
1:31:48
yeah. That's when I'm working.
1:31:49
Yeah. Do you think that either of your
1:31:51
kids will take up guiding work when?
1:31:55
Yeah, I think they all will on some level like me, maybe not
1:31:58
their immediate career choice or their first line of, you know,
1:32:03
line of duty, but they'll they'll definitely have the keys
1:32:07
to the business when they're ready to have it.
1:32:09
And they already know so much, You know, they already helped
1:32:11
me. They already helped me with so
1:32:14
many pieces of it from from the business perspective, right?
1:32:18
They helped me make the pizzas, they helped me fuel the boat,
1:32:20
they helped me clean the boat. They helped me tie the all the
1:32:23
hooks and leaders that we have are all prepared by them and me
1:32:27
together. The baits that we're using, my
1:32:31
daughter made last December around Christmas time and she
1:32:33
nicknamed them all and. What's your eldest do?
1:32:37
He's he's going to be going back to school, but he's not in
1:32:41
school right now. He just came down from Eugene
1:32:43
and he's going to start nursing school for the RCC to SOU
1:32:47
program probably, but. Taking after mom that.
1:32:51
Yeah, he's going to, he wants to do medical.
1:32:53
He's he's he's has some experience with that, but you
1:32:55
know, it's minimal. Like he's got like first aid and
1:32:58
takes care of. He was taken care of or helping
1:33:01
with Alzheimer's patients, you know, and fishing and hunting,
1:33:07
hopefully. Yeah, keep it, Keep it
1:33:12
generational in this Gordon's Guide service.
1:33:15
Keep it going. But yeah, that's the 3GS.
1:33:17
Like, you know me, the three kids, GGG.
1:33:20
That's kind of like I love how Dash like name their name.
1:33:23
Like the name, Dash is after Ashley.
1:33:26
Yeah. Ashley's Kids.
1:33:28
Yeah, yeah. I think that's really cool.
1:33:30
Brace for landing brace. Ships Ahoy Natee.
1:33:39
Land Ho. Land ho, I have to stay out of
1:33:42
the sun. So all these everything gloved
1:33:44
up and everything. Yeah, I was gonna say getting.
1:33:46
Pretty bad, but. You cover in those lips so you
1:33:49
don't get that sunburn on the lips.
1:33:51
The no, my nose gets it real bad because it's like the one area
1:33:54
you see me wearing the mask, you know, And that's so because I've
1:33:57
had days where my ears just get fried, you know, or it'll be
1:34:00
like 1 little spot that I miss with the sunblock.
1:34:02
But I was telling Emily this morning there's I'm on the I'm
1:34:05
on the water and in the sun so many days that it doesn't even
1:34:08
there's no amount of sunblock that would they would do it, you
1:34:10
know what I mean? I would still get burned and you
1:34:12
know. Well, thank you, Tyler, for your
1:34:16
time and your expertise. And you had a great day.
1:34:19
Out with you guys. Where can people find you
1:34:21
online? Yeah.
1:34:22
Website, Facebook, Instagram, URQR code on the box.
1:34:26
Gordon's Guide Service Gordon's Generational guide service.com.
1:34:30
No Rogue River guide.com. Rogueriverguide.com.
1:34:34
Banked that name, yeah. Bought it a long time ago and
1:34:37
owned it. Brilliant.
1:34:39
Like I said, has worked on this a long time.
1:34:41
I didn't want to have to redo. I didn't want to have to redo
1:34:43
things like a website, you know, or Google metrics and all that.
1:34:47
It's all established long before, you know, guiding for
1:34:50
five years. But you build all that.
1:34:51
You have to build all that stuff on early, early on.
1:34:53
Yeah, and what's your Instagram handle?
1:34:56
It's everything social media is hashtag fishing with Gordo,
1:34:59
fishing like a redneck, you know, fishing, fishing with
1:35:01
Gordo. No G the GS in the Gordo, not in
1:35:05
the fishing. Yeah, but it's got the hyphen,
1:35:07
so it's grammatically correct. Yeah.
1:35:12
I had a great day out with you, a good day on the river.
1:35:14
We knew fishing was going to be kind of slow, but I'm glad we
1:35:16
got to reel in some some fish and fight.
1:35:18
You guys got to fight some fish and we had some bites.
1:35:20
So it was a good day. You guys should look at maybe
1:35:23
you come down to Gold Beach and see that section of the rope
1:35:25
down there and one of these days was set.
1:35:27
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