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Mega Edition: The Chad Daybell Trial (Part 13-14) (10/21/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to get right back to the
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell trial, and we're going to see what went
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  Speaker 1: down on day number 13. To do that, once again,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to use eastidahonews.com, and the author is Nate Eaton.
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  Speaker 1: And hopefully, Nate had a nice little vacation. My man
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  Speaker 1: certainly earned it. 8.32 a.m. Fremont County Prosecutor Attorney Lindsey Blake,
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  Speaker 1: Madison County Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood, Special Prosecutor Ingrid Beatty
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  Speaker 1: and Fremont County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Rocky Wixom are at
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution table. John Pryor and Chad Daybell are at
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  Speaker 1: the defense table. On Friday, Blake said that this morning's
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  Speaker 1: witness would be lengthy. They have not said who will
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  Speaker 1: be taking the stand. 8.37 a.m. Judge Boyce is on
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  Speaker 1: the bench. 8.42 a.m. Jurors are in their seats. The
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  Speaker 1: next witness is Nick Balance. He's an FBI special agent.
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  Speaker 1: This witness will not be shown on video, but audio
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  Speaker 1: of his testimony will be streamed. 8.45 a.m. Other camera
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  Speaker 1: angles inside the courtroom will be shown, but the witness
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  Speaker 1: will not appear on the live stream. 8.48 a.m. Balance
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  Speaker 1: has been a special agent since June of 2016. He
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  Speaker 1: works in Washington, D.C. He worked as a U.S. deputy
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  Speaker 1: marshal for nine years before joining the FBI. He is
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  Speaker 1: currently a member of the Cellular Analyst Survey Team, CAST,
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  Speaker 1: and CAST is a group of 70 to 80 special
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  Speaker 1: agents and task force operators who specialize in using cell
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  Speaker 1: phone records to determine the general location of a phone
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  Speaker 1: that might be of interest in an investigation. 8.51 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Rob Wood is questioning Balance. He asks about the training
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  Speaker 1: involved to become a member of CAST. 8.54 a.m. Wood
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  Speaker 1: asks Balance to explain what a cell tower does. And
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  Speaker 1: Balance says a cell tower is constantly emitting radio frequency
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  Speaker 1: in a given area. He explains that cell phone towers
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  Speaker 1: connect with each other to enable calls to be made.
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  Speaker 1: The range of a cell phone tower depends on the area.
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  Speaker 1: Higher populated areas have more cell phone towers. And this
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  Speaker 1: is all pretty basic stuff. When you follow along with
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  Speaker 1: these kinds of cases, this is what they talk about, right?
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  Speaker 1: The digital footprint. And that's why somebody like Brian Koberger
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  Speaker 1: is going to end up in a whole lot of trouble.
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  Speaker 1: because there's a lot of there there. And when you
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  Speaker 1: look at Chad Daybell's information, and the information for those
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  Speaker 1: involved in this conspiracy, it doesn't paint a pretty picture
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  Speaker 1: of what they were up to either. 8.56 a.m. Balance
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  Speaker 1: says towers are divided into three different sectors. He compares
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  Speaker 1: it to cutting a pie into three different pieces. A
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  Speaker 1: cell phone is constantly scanning the environment to look for
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  Speaker 1: the strongest tower and sector. 8.58 a.m. The phone makes
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  Speaker 1: the decision of which tower and sector to connect to,
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  Speaker 1: but the phone will choose the strongest tower it can find,
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  Speaker 1: Balance says. Cell companies keep records of their users' phone activities,
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  Speaker 1: and you'll see a bunch of digital warrants get pulled
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  Speaker 1: so that they can rebuild a whole timeline using whatever
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  Speaker 1: your cell phone activity was. And we've seen it time
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  Speaker 1: and time again, and we'll continue to see it. And
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  Speaker 1: with as far as technology has come, you have to
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  Speaker 1: be one... moronic mofo to think you're going to get
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  Speaker 1: away with anything if you're using your own cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: And even if you're using burners, if you don't know
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  Speaker 1: what you're doing, you're going to leave a trail. And
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  Speaker 1: if you ever get caught, they're going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to rebuild that whole entire timeline like they did with
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell. 9 a.m. Most cell providers capture the majority
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  Speaker 1: of user data, but Verizon does not capture the location
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  Speaker 1: detail of text messages. Cell companies also keep lists of
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  Speaker 1: all of their towers. 9.02 a.m. Balance says in populated
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  Speaker 1: cities like Boise, cell phone companies providing overlapping coverage from
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  Speaker 1: tower to tower so calls don't drop. He compares it
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  Speaker 1: to sprinklers on grass. If some spots don't get watered,
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  Speaker 1: they will die, whereas sometimes sprinkler water overlaps to make
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  Speaker 1: sure the grass is watered. 9.04 a.m. Balance was contacted
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  Speaker 1: by law enforcement in June 2020 after the bodies of
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  Speaker 1: JJ and Tylee were found. Balance gathered up equipment, and
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  Speaker 1: did a drive test to measure cell towers in the
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  Speaker 1: Rexburg and St. Anthony area. 9.06 a.m. He used specialized
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  Speaker 1: pieces of equipment that had sensors, antennas, scanners, a computer,
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  Speaker 1: and software to get raw measurements that map out cell
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  Speaker 1: phone towers. The equipment is called GAR, Gladiator Autonomous Receiver. 9.09 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Wood asked Balance about Google location services. He says Google
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  Speaker 1: provides a service where users can opt in to have
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  Speaker 1: their locations recorded. These are tracked using Wi-Fi and cellular signals,
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  Speaker 1: 9-11 a.m. Balance says you can pinpoint the exact location
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  Speaker 1: of a phone with Google location services, but you can
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  Speaker 1: find the general location. Balance says he looks for devices, phones,
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  Speaker 1: not a specific person. The phone could be in the
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  Speaker 1: pocket of a person, but he's locating devices. 9.13 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, Balance examined numerous call detail records from
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  Speaker 1: multiple phones, as well as Google location history. He says
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  Speaker 1: the records were voluminous. He has prepared a report with
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  Speaker 1: his findings and would move to have the report submitted.
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  Speaker 1: And again, remember, just keep in mind that all of
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  Speaker 1: these exhibits are going to be the foundation that ends
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  Speaker 1: up building the house that convicts Chad Daybell. It is
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  Speaker 1: all of this stuff that they're talking about, all these exhibits,
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  Speaker 1: all of this forensic work that they did, all of
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  Speaker 1: this is going to lead the jury, at least in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, to a conviction. Because there is just a
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  Speaker 1: ton of evidence here. And we're not just talking about
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  Speaker 1: one little bit of evidence, we're talking about a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of evidence that is very damaging and devastating to
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell. 9.16am. Pryor doesn't object to the exhibit, but
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  Speaker 1: asks for a sidebar. The attorneys leave the courtroom with Boyce. 9.21 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Attorneys are back and the exhibit is being displayed. One
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  Speaker 1: of the slides shows the locations of cell phone towers
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  Speaker 1: in the Rexburg area. There is also a slide showing
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  Speaker 1: what cell phone towers look like and how they are
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  Speaker 1: split up into sectors. And all of that, as well,
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  Speaker 1: is to help the jury understand what they're looking at.
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  Speaker 1: And then, of course, Chad Daybell will have his own
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  Speaker 1: experts get up there and try and throw some cold
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  Speaker 1: water on what the state's trying to say. And when
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  Speaker 1: we talk about the battle of experts, that's what I mean. 9.28 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: A slide shows the phone number's balance investigated in the case.
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  Speaker 1: There are seven phone numbers on the screen. We now
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  Speaker 1: see a slide showing geographical area where he did the
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  Speaker 1: drive test. 9.30 a.m. A list of locations of interest
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  Speaker 1: appears on the screen. It includes Burn Pit and Chad's yard,
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  Speaker 1: Tylee and JJ's body location, Chad's residence, Lori's residence, Alex's residence,
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  Speaker 1: the Salem LDS Church, Holiday Inn Express in Springville, Evergreen
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  Speaker 1: Cemetery in Springville, Wireless Revolution in Rexburg, Walmart in Rexburg, BYU,
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  Speaker 1: Idaho Library, Sportsman's Warehouse in Idaho Falls, and Marriott Residence
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  Speaker 1: Inn in Kansas. 9.32 a.m. The next slide shows Google
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  Speaker 1: location history between midnight, 5 a.m. on September 9th, 2019,
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  Speaker 1: From the HomerJMaximus at gmail.com account. Alex's account. Tylee was
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  Speaker 1: last photographed alive the day before. Imagine that stupid ass name.
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  Speaker 1: Homer J Maximus. How about Homer J Stupid Ass. Or
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  Speaker 1: Homer J Child Killer. I mean that would be more fitting.
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  Speaker 1: Considering what this disgusting animal did. 9.35 a.m. Alex Cox
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  Speaker 1: device was at Lori's apartment at 2.42 a.m. on September 9th.
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  Speaker 1: And at 4.37 a.m., his device was at Alex's apartment. 9.38 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next slide shows activity on Chad Daybell's phone between 7.20 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: and 8.04 a.m. on September 9th. There were multiple text
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  Speaker 1: messages with Lori and a call at 8.03 a.m. 9.39 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Wood asks how often Chad and Lori communicated with each other.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty regularly, Balance responds. 9.40 a.m. A call was made
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  Speaker 1: from Chad to Alex that morning at 8.11 a.m. The
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  Speaker 1: call was 180 seconds. 9.41 a.m. At 8.58 a.m. that morning,
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  Speaker 1: a text was sent from Chad to Lori. There were
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  Speaker 1: also texts at 8.15 a.m. and 8.39 a.m. 9.44 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next slide shows Google location history with Alex's device
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  Speaker 1: between 8.49 a.m. to 9.15 a.m. He is in the
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  Speaker 1: area of his apartment at 8.49 a.m. and by 9.15 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: he's just south of Chad's house. 9.45 a.m. We see
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  Speaker 1: another slide showing Alex's device on Chad's property between 9.21 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: and 10.57 a.m. That morning, multiple spots were picked up
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  Speaker 1: on the property, including areas close to where Tylee was found.
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  Speaker 1: Balance went to the Daybell property and he noted that
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  Speaker 1: there is a gate that allows access. 9.48 a.m. Morning recess,
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  Speaker 1: be back in 30 minutes. 10.20 a.m. The morning break
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  Speaker 1: is over and Boyce is on the bench. Jurors are
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  Speaker 1: being brought in. Balance remains on the witness stand. 10.22 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next slide shows Chad's phone was being used between 10.30 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: and 12.20 p.m. on September 9th. There were multiple text
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  Speaker 1: messages and one call with Lori Vallow, The activity was
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  Speaker 1: during the same time frame that Alex's device was on
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  Speaker 1: the property. 1024 AM Alex Cox's device was at Chad's
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  Speaker 1: property at 11.42 a.m. The device was then traveling southbound
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  Speaker 1: away from the property around 11.46 to 11.47 a.m. And
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  Speaker 1: they're building that conspiracy, right? What were you doing talking
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  Speaker 1: to him? What were all of you talking about? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to tell us? That's cool. We'll just
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  Speaker 1: yank all of your digital records and we'll rebuild everything
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  Speaker 1: that you did. And that's exactly what we see here.
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  Speaker 1: And we saw this same exact strategy being used by
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution against Lori Vallow, and it worked well. And
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  Speaker 1: I have no doubt that it's going to continue to
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  Speaker 1: work well here. And we're going to see Chad Daybell's
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  Speaker 1: ass get convicted. There are very few cases where I
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  Speaker 1: look at all of the facts and say to myself, man,
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  Speaker 1: I don't see any way out for this guy or gal.
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  Speaker 1: And when you look at Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow,
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  Speaker 1: there is no doubt in my mind that they're guilty.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that the prosecution is doing a very
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  Speaker 1: good job of showing that. 1025 a.m. At 1145 a.m.,
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  Speaker 1: Chad's device called Lori. An outgoing call was also made
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  Speaker 1: from Alex to Lori around this time. 1028 a.m. The
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  Speaker 1: new slide shows Chad's device received a text from Lori
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  Speaker 1: and her device on September 9th between 1232 and 1234 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: At 12.39 p.m., a text message was received on Chad's
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  Speaker 1: device from Lori's device. Sure sounds like a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: people who were in cahoots. 10.31 a.m. The next few
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  Speaker 1: slides show the cell phone towers that were utilized by
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  Speaker 1: devices belonging to Chad, Lori, and Alex on September 9th. 10.34 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The exhibit now moves to September 23rd, the day after
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  Speaker 1: JJ was last seen alive. The slide shows multiple outbound
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  Speaker 1: text messages and one inbound text message between Chad's device
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  Speaker 1: and Lori's device were made between 3.59 a.m. and 8.35 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chad sent Lori a text at 3.59 a.m. 10.36 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: At 9.25 a.m. on September 23rd, Chad's device called Alex's device.
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  Speaker 1: The call was 38 seconds. 10.38 a.m. On the same
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  Speaker 1: day between 9.27 a.m. and 9.57 a.m., three cell phone
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  Speaker 1: towers near the Daybell residence picked up activity on the devices.
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  Speaker 1: A tower near Lori's Rexburg house was also utilized for
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  Speaker 1: her device. 10.39 a.m. The next slide shows Alex's device
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  Speaker 1: traveled north from his home in Rexburg towards Chad's home
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  Speaker 1: the morning of September 23rd. His device was in and
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  Speaker 1: around Chad's property between 9.55 a.m. and 10.12 a.m. The
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  Speaker 1: device was tracked near the area where JJ's body was found. 10.40 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next slide shows activity on Chad's phone the morning
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  Speaker 1: of September 23rd. Between 9.30 a.m. and 10.27 a.m., there
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  Speaker 1: were multiple calls and texts between his devices and Lori's device. 10.42 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: On September 23rd, between 10.13 and 10.17 a.m., Chad's device
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  Speaker 1: texted Lori. It also called Alex's device. 10.44 a.m. Wood
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  Speaker 1: asked Balance if he looked at other times where the
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  Speaker 1: Homer J. Maxx account showed up in and around Chad's property.
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  Speaker 1: There are some times. August 7th, August 24th, September 6th,
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  Speaker 1: September 25th, and October 15th. 10.46 a.m. Wood tells Balance
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  Speaker 1: he wants to review a few of the slides again
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  Speaker 1: with focus on the timeline. 10.49 a.m. Several of the
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  Speaker 1: jurors are taking notes during the presentation. Others look at
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  Speaker 1: the screens in front of them. Chad Daybell doesn't show
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  Speaker 1: much emotion, looks at the computer screen in front of him,
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  Speaker 1: and will glance up at the projector screen in the courtroom. 10.50 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Wood has no further questions. Pryor will now cross-examine. 10.52 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Balance the significance of including October 9th in
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  Speaker 1: his report. Balance says that that's the day that Tammy
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  Speaker 1: Daybell reported an assault attempt on that day. 10.55 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor shows a slide displaying Alex's device. On October 9th,
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  Speaker 1: between 5.16 p.m. and 11.53 p.m., Wood asked for a
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  Speaker 1: brief sidebar. Attorneys and the judge leave the room. 11 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Attorneys are back and Pryor continues questioning. He asks about
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  Speaker 1: the other visits Alex's device recorded in or around Chad's property. 11.01 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asked Balance to explain the difference between a tower
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  Speaker 1: and a cell site. Balance says the cell site includes
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  Speaker 1: the tower and the sector. The tower is just the
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  Speaker 1: tower itself. 11.03 a.m. Pryor asks Balance when he did
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  Speaker 1: the drive test. Balance says it was done the week
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  Speaker 1: of June 16, 2020, and was over multiple days. Balance
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  Speaker 1: says drive tests are done to show where a phone
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  Speaker 1: could be, not exactly where it is. 11.05 a.m. Pryor
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  Speaker 1: asks about Gladiator Forensics. It's a company used by the FBI.
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  Speaker 1: They will only sell their equipment to law enforcement, according
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  Speaker 1: to Balance. Pryor says only the government has access to
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  Speaker 1: the gladiator tools, not the public at large. Balance says
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  Speaker 1: that is correct. 11.07 a.m. Pryor brings up the slide
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  Speaker 1: showing Chad's property with a focus on the irrigation pond
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  Speaker 1: where the Homer J. Maximus device was recorded. Pryor asks
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  Speaker 1: Balance to point out the fire pit. 11.12 a.m. Pryor
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  Speaker 1: shows another slide from the Homer J. Maximus account between
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  Speaker 1: midnight and 5 a.m. on September 9th, 2019. Alex was
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  Speaker 1: inside or very close to Lori's apartment that morning. Prior
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  Speaker 1: asks why Balance didn't put any cell phone data with
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  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb and David Warwick. Balance says he was not
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  Speaker 1: asked to examine their phone records. 11.14 a.m. Prior asks
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  Speaker 1: Balance who provided him the phone data. Balance doesn't recall specifically,
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  Speaker 1: but says data was sent to him numerous times from
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  Speaker 1: numerous law enforcement agencies. 11.16. Prior asks Balance if we
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  Speaker 1: know the content of all the text messages. Balance says
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  Speaker 1: that we do not. He confirms that there was a
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  Speaker 1: significant amount of communication between Chad and Lori. Pryor asks
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  Speaker 1: Balance if he's aware Chad and Lori were having an affair.
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  Speaker 1: Balance is aware. 1118 a.m. Pryor has no further questions.
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  Speaker 1: Wood has some brief redirect. 1119 a.m. Wood asks Balance
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  Speaker 1: to describe why he uses 100 meters as a margin
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  Speaker 1: of error. Balance says his research can be more precise
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  Speaker 1: using 100 meters or less. 11.21 a.m. Balance looked at
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  Speaker 1: the cell tower list of the providers from September 2019
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  Speaker 1: and June 2020. There were no major changes between the
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  Speaker 1: time frame. Wood asked about the GAR system. Balance says
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  Speaker 1: it's made up of components and anyone can purchase the
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  Speaker 1: primary components. They are civilian companies that do drive testing,
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  Speaker 1: Balance says, not just the government. Balance says a civilian
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  Speaker 1: could take his raw data file and compare it with
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  Speaker 1: their own testing. 11.24 a.m. Wood asks if geolocation settings
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  Speaker 1: can be altered on cell phone device. Balance says a
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  Speaker 1: user can make changes about what is stored on a device.
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  Speaker 1: Users can opt out of certain services. 11.25 a.m. Balance
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  Speaker 1: has been involved in multiple criminal investigations. Wood asks if
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  Speaker 1: it's common for people engaged in criminal activity to opt
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  Speaker 1: out of geolocation services on their devices. Balance says he
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  Speaker 1: has seen that numerous times. Wood has no further questions
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  Speaker 1: but intends to bring balance back. 11.26 a.m. Pryor wants
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  Speaker 1: to recross, but Boyce says no. Wood did not get
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  Speaker 1: outside the scope. He tells Pryor he can ask his
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  Speaker 1: questions when the agent is recalled. The witness is dismissed. 11.27 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecution asks for a brief sidebar. White noise is played
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  Speaker 1: in the courtroom. 11.29 a.m. Judge Boyce calls for a
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  Speaker 1: lunch break. And like usual, that's where we're going to
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  Speaker 1: break as well. And in the next episode, we'll pick
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  Speaker 1: up where we left off. All of the information that
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  Speaker 1: goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're diving right back into day number 13
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  Speaker 1: of the Chad Daybell trial. And we're going to pick
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  Speaker 1: up with the afternoon session. However, the afternoon session was
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  Speaker 1: very short. Usually courts in session till about 3.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Day 13 ended at about 1.30 p.m. And not only that,
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  Speaker 1: but there's not going to be any court today, Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: April 30th, because the witness won't be here until Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: So that gives everybody a day to catch their breath
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  Speaker 1: up in Idaho when it comes to Chad Daybell. But
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  Speaker 1: I have to tell you, there hasn't been anything so
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  Speaker 1: far that I've seen that would make me think that
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell is going to get off here. Or that
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  Speaker 1: he's going to find a way to pin this all
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  Speaker 1: on Lori Vallow. It's just not likely. It's not going
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  Speaker 1: to happen. At least not in my opinion. And I
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen anything so far that helps Chad Daybell as
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  Speaker 1: far as testimony. And all of the evidence that we've
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  Speaker 1: seen from the Lori Vallow trial and this one all
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  Speaker 1: point me at least in the direction of Chad Daybell.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And not just as some kind of passenger along for
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the ride. but somebody involved in the planning stages, all
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the way through the heinous act being carried out. And
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I think that the evidence has shown us that time
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and time again. This isn't a situation like we have, say,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: down in Delphi, where there's a lot of real questions.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Whereas here, I think things are just perfunctory at this point.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: But even the scummiest, most smartest, disgusting pieces of garbage
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: amongst us deserve a fair trial. And that's exactly what
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell's getting as we speak. So with all of
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: that in mind, let's dive into this article from East
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Idaho News, and let's get caught up on what happened
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: during the afternoon session. Headline. Cousins testify about Tammy Daybell's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: relationship and encounters with Chad Daybell at the funeral. This
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: article was authored by Nate Eaton. 12.45 p.m. We're back
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Voices on the bench and the jurors
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: will be brought in. 12.47 p.m. Prosecutors call Hannah Parker
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to the stand as her next witness. She prefers to
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: go by Hannah Munoz. She lives near Springville, Utah. 12.48 p.m.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Hannah is a freelance photographer and Tammy is her mom's cousin.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Hannah was with her mom on October 19th when she
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: heard Tammy passed away. I was very saddened by the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: news and very confused, Hannah says. Yeah, that's because she
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: wasn't sick. All this talk about Tammy Daybell having all
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: these ailments and all these maladies. Yeah, right. She wasn't sick.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, unless you're talking about the usual aches and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: pains that somebody her age gets. You're not going to
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: be going to one of those high intensity clogging classes
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: or one of those other workout classes and keep up
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: with everybody else. If you're sick, you're going to be
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: falling behind, right? You're going to be lacking. You're not
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: going to have the energy. You're going to be fatigued,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: whatever it might be. And according to everything we've heard,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell was none of that. 12.51 p.m. Hannah attended
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Tammy's funeral and viewing. She went through the viewing line
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: twice with different people. Chad was first in the viewing line.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Tammy and Chad's children were also in the viewing line.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Hannah and her dad had a conversation with Chad. She
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: says Chad said Tammy had been sick that day and
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that she had been vomiting and coughing, and around 10 p.m.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: she threw up again. Chad said Tammy then went to bed,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: but Chad stayed in his office working, and around 1 a.m.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: he went upstairs and found Tammy on the floor, and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: she had rolled out of the bed. Chad said he
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: found her cold, And as Hannah testifies, Chad smiles. I
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: don't know what you're smiling about, you stew nod. You're
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: not going to have much to smile about soon, I'll
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: tell you that much. Unless, of course, smiling about bologna
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: sandwiches and the rest of your life behind bars is
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: something you're into. Because that is what your fate holds
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: for you, pal. A whole bunch of sitting behind bars.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And hopefully, when all is said and done, you get
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the death penalty. But if not, well, it's bologna sandwiches
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and concrete walls. 12.55. Hannah says Chad appeared calmer than
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: she would have expected. He would only get emotional when
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Hannah's dad got emotional and then would stop when her
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: dad stopped crying. It stood out to me because I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: would have expected someone who just lost their partner to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: be a little more distraught. And yeah, you would think, right?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: You lose your wife, your lover, somebody you've been with
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: for all these years, you have kids with. I would
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: be inconsolable. Never mind talking about going to Hawaii to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: have a little walk on the beach with a skafooza.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: But that's what Chad Daybell was up to. That's where
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: his mind went. Because guess what? That was the motivation, right?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: That was the endgame. Let's get rid of these kids.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Let's get rid of Tammy. And let's make sure that
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: we can be together. Oh, don't forget, we gotta get
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: rid of Charles Vallow, too. We can't have Ned Schneider
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: running around, can we? And this is the absurdity that
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: these people were pitching within their little group. And they
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: could say whatever they want, but all of those people,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: from Mr. Warwick to Melanie Gibb to the rest of them,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: they were all sucking it up. 12.55 p.m. Around two
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: hours later, Hannah went through the funeral line with her mother.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: She says Chad told them what happened. Tammy had been
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: coughing violently, and he was worried about her. Between 9
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: and 10 p.m., she came down to his office and
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: said she was going to bed. Chad said he was
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: worried about her and went to bed with her but
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: around midnight. Tammy rolled out of bed. Hannah was confused
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: because the stories were inconsistent. Well, that's what happens when
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: you're telling a bunch of bullshit lies. It's going to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: be inconsistent, right? But the best liars know you sprinkle
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit of truth in with that and it
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: makes the lie go a lot further. 12.57 p.m. Hannah
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: didn't ask any questions to Chad but felt confused and uncomfortable.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: That night, Hannah spoke to her mom about the inconsistencies
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and then later mentioned it to Samantha Gwilliam, Tammy's sister.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Rocky Wixom has no further questions. For Hannah, Pryor will
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: now cross-examine. 12.58 p.m. Pryor asks if Hannah ever gave
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a report to law enforcement. She said she did in
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: August of 2020. She has met with investigators twice. 1 p.m.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Hannah if she's aware the home is one story.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Hannah says she has never been to the house. Wixom
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: has one follow-up question. Wixom asks Hannah if she or
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: her dad asked Chad any questions about the layout of
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the home. Hannah says no. There is no doubt in
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: her mind that Chad talks about going downstairs. 1.03 p.m.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: The next witness is Patricia Lader. She is Tammy's first cousin.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Wixom asks if they had a strong relationship when they
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: were younger, and Patricia starts to cry. She says they
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: are seven months apart, and they were like sisters. They
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: grew up together. 1.05 p.m. Patricia would spend weeks during
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the summer with Tammy and they wrote letters back and forth.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Tammy and Patricia were best friends and drove to school
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: together every day. Tammy encouraged Patricia to join the school
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: band and take classes with her. 1.07 p.m. Patricia taught
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: school and so did Tammy. Tammy would leave little notes
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: for her in the classroom. I still have one, Patricia
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: says through tears. And there's been a lot of focus
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: on the kids, and rightly so. But we can't forget
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: that Tammy was murdered, or at least allegedly murdered. And,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of course, Charles Vallow, too. So we're talking about four
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: people who were murdered by Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: according to the state. So we're talking about some straight-up
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: serial killers here, right? But I think that Tammy Daybell's
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: death sometimes gets lost in the sauce a bit, considering
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: we have children who were murdered. 109 p.m. Wixom asks
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: how often Patricia spoke with Tammy after the Daybells moved
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to Idaho. At first, they spoke every few weeks, and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: then it went down to a month. 1.10 p.m. Wixom
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: asks about October 19, 2019, the day Tammy died. Patricia
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: says her mom called her and was crying hysterically. She
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: told Patricia that Tammy passed. It didn't register, who she
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: said because it didn't make sense that my cousin Tammy
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: had passed. Patricia says it didn't make sense. 1.11 p.m.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Patricia says it was confusing because Tammy was so young
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and healthy. She went to the viewing on the Monday
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: following the death and the viewing before the funeral the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: next day. On Monday, Patricia went alone to the viewing.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: When she walked in, she said she was really upset.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: She and Hannah went through the viewing line. 1.13 p.m.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Patricia says when she was going through the line, she
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: noticed Chad talking with people. When someone would cry, he
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: would cry. but he was mostly just visiting. I felt
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: like he should have been more sad, Patricia says. And look,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I get that. As a family member of someone who
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: was allegedly murdered, you're going to look back and you're
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: going to have a whole lot of hindsight. But we
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: can't really judge somebody on how they were acting in
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the aftermath of the death of their wife, right? Everybody
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: is different. So for me, I prefer to focus on
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the bullshit he was up to, you know, like running
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: away with Lori Vallow and murdering kids. 1.14 p.m. Patricia
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and Hannah, her daughter, went to talk with Chad. Patricia
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: said she was sorry for his loss and they hugged.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: She asked him what happened. He said that Tammy wasn't
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: feeling well and she was coughing a lot. He asked
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: if she was okay and she threw up. She said
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: she was going to bed and he asked her if
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: she was okay and she said yes. She was feeling
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: better after she threw up and then she went to bed.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Patricia recalls Chad telling her. Chad told Patricia, Tammy loved
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you so much. 1.15 p.m. Chad told Patricia that Tammy
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: went to bed around 10 p.m. and he stayed up working.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: He went to bed later and he woke up the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: next morning to the sound of Tammy rolling, falling off
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the bed. He told Patricia that Tammy was half on,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: half off the bed. 1.16 p.m. Patricia went to the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: funeral the next day. There was a couple of things
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: he said that I thought weren't very nice, she says,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: referring to Chad. The first thing he said was she
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't easy to live with. She was lazy and she
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: had depression, which she did, but to say it out
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: in front of the whole congregation was embarrassing for her. Well, yeah,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: why are you going to talk trash about your wife
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: who just died? Just keep all of that stuff stowed
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and keep it moving, stupid. 1.17 p.m. Patricia says after
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Emma told the story about Tammy wanting more pets, Patricia
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: looked at Chad and he looked a little concerned but
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: then laughed. Garth told a story about Tammy playing video games,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and she would be the lookout for when Chad got home.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Chad looked concerned for a split second, but then started
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: to laugh, Patricia says. 1.19 p.m. Patricia says she felt
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Tammy had to hide what she was doing so she
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: wouldn't get in trouble with Chad. When Patricia and Tammy
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: both lived in Springville from 1995 to 2015, Patricia would
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: visit Tammy at least once a month. 1.21 p.m. Patricia
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: would stop by for a quick visit but would end
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: up staying for hours. They'd chat about their kids and life.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Chad would eventually get home and sit down to chat
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: with him, but she was always getting a feeling that
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: she needed to go home when Chad showed up. 121
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: PM Wixom has no further questions. Pryor will now cross-examine.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: He asked Patricia if it would surprise her to learn
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: that in the last year of Tammy's life, phone records
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: show there was no communication between Patricia and Tammy. Patricia
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: says that's not correct. They would message on Facebook and text.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Patricia says Tammy would call her. So what Pryor's saying is, look,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you haven't even been friends with her basically for the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: last year of her life, so how do you know
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: what was going on with her? 1.23 p.m. Pryor asks
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: if Patricia recalls any discussion at the viewing about Tammy
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: or Chad going upstairs or downstairs in the house. Patricia
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't recall. Pryor has no further questions. The state may
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: recall Patricia later. She is dismissed for now. 1.25 p.m.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: As Patricia left the witness stand, she looked over at Chad.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: He was focused on his laptop and did not look
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: up at her. 1.27 p.m. Defense and prosecution, having a
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: sidebar with Boyce, wanted to point out that while the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Daybell home may not technically be two stories, there are
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: stairs up to a second-story loft above the garage. 1.30 p.m.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Blake says their next witness will not be here until Wednesday.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: She requests that court dismiss for the day and reconvene
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Boyce says it's complicated and complex to schedule
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: for a trial of this length. He says they will
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: break early for the day. Alright, so there it is,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: day number 13 at the Chad Daybell trial. And like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I said in the opening, nothing has changed in my
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: opinion for Chad Daybell. Dude still looks as guilty as
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the day is long, and I think the evidence is
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: proving that. Now we still have a little bit ways
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to go, and things can always pop up, but if
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: things keep on the course that they're on now... It's
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a wrap for Chad Daybell, and we'll be here the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: whole entire time covering it every step of the way.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're getting
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: right back to the Chad Daybell trial as we recap
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: what went down on day number 14 of testimony. And
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: to help guide us, once again, we'll be using eastidahonews.com.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: And the author of this article is Nate Eaton. 828 AM.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Back at the courthouse for day 14 of Chad Daybell's trial.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: We are waiting to get into the courtroom. Matt Daybell,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Chad's brother, is here, chatting with Larry and Kay Woodcock.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: He is not here to support his brother and will
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: be sitting with Woodcocks. Matt has not seen Chad since
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Tammy's memorial service. Sounds like someone with good sense to me.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you would support Chad Daybell, considering
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the evidence that's been presented. I mean, if we were
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: talking about something that was in dispute, right? Something where
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you could look at what went down and say, you
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: know what? I don't know if Chad Daybell was involved
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: in all of this. But I don't think anyone who's
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: looking at this reasonably can come to that conclusion. 8.32 a.m.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: We are now in the courtroom. When Matt walked in,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Chad said to John Pryor, that's my brother. Matt is
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: seated between Kay Woodcock and Vicky Hoban, Tammy Daybell's aunt. 8.33 a.m.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Madison County Prosecutor Rob Wood, Fremont County Prosecutor Lindsay Blake,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Fremont County Deputy Prosecutor Rocky Wixom, and Special Prosecutor Ingrid
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Beatty are at the state's table. Chad Daybell is wearing
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a checkered dress shirt with a dark tie. Around 30
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: to 40 people are in the courtroom gallery. 8.41 a.m.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: All attorneys have left the courtroom and are back meeting
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: with Judge Stephen Boyce in his chambers. 8.44 a.m. Boyce
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: is on the bench. Jurors are being brought in. 8.46 a.m.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Lindsay Blake will question the first witness, Dr. Eric Christensen. 8.47 a.m.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Christensen was the chief medical examiner for the state of
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Utah before retiring. 8.51 a.m. Christensen says he has undergone
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: training in autopsies and forensic autopsies. Blake asks who determines
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: cause and manner of death in Utah. Christensen says 80%
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: of death certificates in Utah are assigned by physicians. The
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: other 20% fall under jurisdiction of medical examiners. 8.53 a.m.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: There is not a lot of national uniformity to death
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: investigation systems, Christensen said. Historically, most states have had elected
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: county coroners. Over time, things have changed. In Utah, it
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: is entirely a medical examiner system and there are no coroners. 8.54 a.m.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: As a medical examiner, you need a medical degree and
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: go through specialty training. They perform autopsies. Coroners do not
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: perform autopsies but can request them from the medical examiners.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: The medical examiner will then determine if one needs to
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: be done. A 56 a.m. Christensen has performed around 7,200
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: to 7,300 autopsies over the course of his career. He
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: performed the autopsy on Tammy Daybell. Christensen's office was contacted
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: in November of 2019 by someone in Fremont County. An
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: order was then received by the court to exhume Tammy's body. 8.57 a.m.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Christensen was present when Tammy's body was exhumed and transported
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to the medical examiner's office. Someone from his office always
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: attends when bodies are exhumed so that they can observe
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the condition of the grave. 9 a.m. Blake asked if
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: there were any concerns about Tammy's exhumation that would affect
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the autopsy. Christensen says no. He goes on to explain
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: that a forensic autopsy is different from a regular hospital-type autopsy.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: In a forensic autopsy, they are looking for evidence and
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: focus on what is present on the outside of the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: body before delving into the internal parts. 902 AM Christensen
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: reviewed information from the coroner's office and sheriff's office before
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Tammy's body was exhumed. Blake asks if exhumations are common.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Christensen says no. The first exhumation case he was involved
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: in was in 1998. 9.05 a.m. Christensen says he conducted
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the autopsy with Dr. Lily Marsden, who was a trainee
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: at the time. Christensen says they discussed their findings as
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: they did the autopsy and after it was over. 9.06 a.m.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Blake asks how an autopsy is conducted. It begins with
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: a detailed external examination. The body is photographed and documented
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: in its original condition. They look for any damage to clothing,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the body, etc. Clothes are then removed and photographed separately.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: The body is then photographed, unclothed, before being cleaned. Pictures
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: are taken again. Fibers and hairs found on the body
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: are collected. So it's a whole process, right? They go
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: through the whole entire thing, and they're checking the whole
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: body for any signs of trauma, any signs of, you know, injury,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: or anything else that might lead them to believe that
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: this was not a natural death. 9.08 a.m. The body
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: is then opened up, and everything is examined. the brain,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: internal organs, the rectum, the spine, the neck, etc. X-rays
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: are also performed in many cases to evaluate the presence
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: or absence of skeletal trauma. 9-10 a.m. Christensen says it's
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: hard to tell the age of many blunt injuries or bruises.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: The colors don't tell you the age of the bruise
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: until you start seeing yellow, green, or brown. It's harder
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to tell the age of a red, blue, or purple bruise.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: 9-11 a.m. Blake asks the cause of death. Christensen says asphyxia.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Matter of death, homicide. To the medical examiner, homicide means
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: another person was involved in the victim's death. Asphyxia means
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the person was unable to get enough oxygen. 9.13 a.m.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Asphyxia can result from anything that blocks the airway. Smothering, choking, drowning, chemicals,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: carbon monoxide, cyanide. And they don't know, right, how this
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: all went down. Was Tammy given something? How did she
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: end up getting sick like this and just dying? We
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: know it wasn't natural causes. So what was the root
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: cause of her being ill? Was she being poisoned over
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: a period of time? Or maybe she was given something
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that acted quickly. But either way, something went down, at
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: least according to the official narrative. 9.14 a.m. Christensen says
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: he saw no external injuries or traumatic event that could
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: have been the cause of Tammy's death. Tammy's heart, lungs, liver,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: kidneys were normal. There were no pathological explanations for her death.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: There was some bruising on her arms and one bruise
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: on her chest. 9.16am. Blake asks what a negative autopsy is.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: He says it means there are no findings that explain
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the death. Basically, a person with normal anatomy has died.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Not exactly what I would call a common occurrence, right?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: People who aren't ill don't just drop dead. There has
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to be a root cause for why you drop dead,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: for why you're sick. And according to everything we know
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: about Tammy, there was no issue. And I think that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: fact is slammed home by the autopsy results and the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: fact that all of her organs were in good shape.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: And there was no issues with anything going on with
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: her internally. So there has to be an explanation for
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: why she died. And that explanation is Chad Daybell killed her.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: At least according to the prosecutors. 9.19 a.m. Blake asks
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: what a seizure is. Christensen says they are abnormal electrical
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: charges in the brain that result in abnormal external behavior.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: He has conducted autopsies on people who have had seizures.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Usually there is trauma to the person's tongue and evidence
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: of incontinence. 9.20 a.m. Christensen says there was no signs
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: of seizure activity during Tammy's autopsy. Christensen reviewed her medical records.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: No mention of seizures. Christensen said it would be very
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: uncommon for someone of Tammy's age to start developing seizures. Yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: unless you have some kind of issue, right? You're not
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: just going to wake up one day and have seizures.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: There's an underlying cause. So if there's no underlying cause here, Well,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: we have to assume that Chad Daybell is pitching us
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: more BS, or maybe she was having seizures because you
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: were poisoning her over a long period of time. How
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: about that, Chad Daybell? The world's biggest do-nod. 9.21 a.m.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Christensen found nothing in Tammy's health history that would support
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: her having seizures. Blake asks about heart arrhythmia. He says
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: there was nothing in Tammy's heart that showed irregularities, and
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: normally heart arrhythmia would not exhibit itself in someone who
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: is 49. 9.25 a.m. Blake asks about intoxicants. Christensen says
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: tissue testing samples was done to look for intoxicants. The
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: liver provides the best specimen. Samples were taken on Tammy's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: liver and sent to the lab to see if there
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: were pesticides, heavy metals, drugs, biologic toxins, etc. Nothing was found.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: So who the hell knows what's going on here and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: who knows what was introduced to Tammy's life to make
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: her sick. But the fact is, something made her sick,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't natural causes. 9.28 a.m. Christensen says extensive
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: toxicology testing was done on Tammy's body because of the
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding her death. The fact that Tammy had been
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: embalmed didn't inhibit the ability to do the toxicology test,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: which is crazy to think about. They had a whole
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: ass body embalmed already, buried, and they're able to exhume
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: that body and still... do an autopsy on it, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: get information from that body. It's truly amazing how far
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: technology has come. 9.30 a.m. Fluoxetine was found in Tammy's system,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: but at a non-toxic level. There was also selenium at
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: a non-toxic level. 9.31 a.m. Blake asked to publish an exhibit.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Boyce asked for a sidebar. 9.34 a.m. It appears they
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: are going to show graphic images to the jury. The
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: people sitting on the right side of the courtroom... are
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: being asked to move. The jurors have monitors in front
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: of them, and some people on the right side may
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: be able to get a glimpse at the images. 9.36am.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Chad has repeatedly looked over at his brother Matt during
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the past few minutes. Boyce is back on the bench.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Apparently there are problems with the jurors' monitors. We are
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: taking a morning break to get them fixed. Alright, so
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: like usual, this is where we're going to break as well,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and in the next episode we'll pick up with the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: rest of the morning testimony of day number 14 at
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: the Chad Daybell trial. All the information that goes with
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: up everyone and welcome back to the program. In this episode,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: we're diving right back into the Chad Daybell trial and
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: we're going to pick up where we left off on
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: day number 14. 10.01 a.m. We are in the courtroom.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Boyce is on the bench. Matt Daybell is back in
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: the courtroom, sitting in a different spot with a clearer
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: view of his big brother about 10 feet in front
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: of him. 10.05 a.m. A photo is displayed showing foam
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: coming out of Tammy's mouth. We cannot see the photograph,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: but the jurors can. So can Chad, prosecutors, and the judge.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: So all the folks who need to see the picture
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: can see it. As far as the public goes, probably
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: a good idea, right? We don't need to see all
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: of that. 10.06 a.m. The foam's a sign of pulmonary edema,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: according to Christensen. 10.07 a.m. Christensen says if he had
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: responded to the scene, he would have done an autopsy.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Tammy was young, and there was no medical explanation as
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: to why she died. Yeah, that would seem like the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: logical step, right? Somebody dies young, no medical reasoning behind it. Yeah,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: let's get an autopsy done and see what's wrong here.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Let's make sure that the kids aren't in jeopardy of
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: inheriting something that's congenial. But no, let's just bury Tammy
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and forget about it and act like the whole thing
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: didn't happen. I don't have time for an autopsy. I
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: have to go to the beach. I have to meet Scafusa.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: It's basically what Chad Daybell said. 10.08am. Tammy's lungs were
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: a little on the heavy side, according to Christensen. There
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: was some fluid in them. Nothing else was abnormal. 10.09am.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Pulmonary edema itself is not a cause of death. Lots
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: of things can result in pulmonary edema, including asphyxiation. 10.10 a.m.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Blake asks for Christensen to be handed a diagram of
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Tammy's body. She asks him to mark where the bruises
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: were on the body. The exhibit is now taken to
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Pryor for him to see those markings. Chad leans over
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: to look at the diagram. And on that diagram, you
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: see that there are markings on Tammy's right arm, front
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and back, one bruise on her left arm, and a
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: bruise above her left breast. 10.16 a.m. There were no
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: bruises on the lower part of Tammy's body or her head.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: 1018 a.m. Photos were taken during the autopsy to document
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: the injuries. Blake moves to admit the series of pictures.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: 1020 a.m. Blake says the photos are graphic. We will
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: not see them in the courtroom or on the live stream.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: The jurors will see them on their monitors. 1021 a.m.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Christensen describes the first photo, the bruise on Tammy's left chest.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: The next image is a close-up of the bruise That
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: shows the hemorrhage in the tissue. The next picture shows
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: tissue that was removed. They looked at the tissue under
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: a microscope that showed the hemorrhage. And that's what they'll
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: do a lot of times forensically. They'll take a sample
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: from the tissue, the skin, and then they'll run their
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: tests on that sample and hope it leads them to
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: a clue as to how the person died. 10.24 a.m.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: The next image shows the bruise on the left bicep.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: There was a hemorrhage in the bruise. The following photo
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: shows two bruises on the back of Tammy's right upper arm.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: The next image is three bruises on the right bicep
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: and two on the right forearm. 10.25 a.m. Many jurors
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: looking closely at their screens as more photos of the
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: injuries are shown. Christensen explains what dark coloration means on
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the bruises. So this is where the battle of the
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: experts is taking place, right? And this is what these
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: trials always come down to. You have an expert that
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: gets up there. and explains what this, this, this, and
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: this means to the jury. And then the defense, if
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: they can, they're going to have their own expert get
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: up there and pitch a different narrative. And then when
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: all is said and done, the jury will make their
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: decision on all of the evidence that's been presented. 10.27 a.m.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Chad and Pryor are looking closely at the images on
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the screen in front of them. 10.29 a.m. Blake displays
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: more images of the bruises for the jurors. Christensen describes
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: the different aspects of each photo. 10.29 a.m. Blake asks
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: when the bruises would have occurred. He says they all
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: showed evidence of hemorrhage in the tissue without any inflammation,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: so they would have occurred sometime from minutes to hours
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: prior to Tammy's death. 10.31 a.m. Christensen says the bruises
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: should be consistent with someone being restrained. Blake asks if
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Christensen noticed any signs of lividity. He says yes. Lividity
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: is pooling of the blood to the part closest to
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the ground. 10.33 a.m. All of the lividity was on
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Tammy's back, Christensen says. Blake asks about rigor mortis, stiffening
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: of the joints and muscles a few hours after death.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: The body becomes solid and very difficult to move. Once
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: it's fully developed, around 12 hours, it will stay that
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: way until the body starts to decompose. 10.36 a.m. Rigor
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: mortis can help determine time of death, but it's imprecise,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Christensen says. As a forensic pathologist, he generally does not
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: determine a time of death. Christensen recalls Tammy was reported
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: dead before 6 a.m. She was described as being cold
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and stiff. Based on that description, it would indicate to
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Christensen that rigor mortis would have set in. 10.41 a.m.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Blake asks Christensen if it's likely Tammy died of a seizure.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: He says no. Likely she died of arrhythmia? No. Intoxicant? No.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Christensen reaffirms cause of death was asphyxia. Blake has no
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: further questions. Pryor will now cross-examine. 10.43 a.m. Pryor asks
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: about the initial cause of death for Tammy Daybell. It
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: was pulmonary edema. Christensen says pulmonary edema was present, but
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: not the cause of death. 10.44 a.m. Christensen says the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: reason Tammy was exhumed was to determine the cause of death.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Pryor pushes him for the exact reason that was given
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: in the court hearing. Christensen doesn't recall the exact reason. 10.47 a.m.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if there was a discussion about Charles Vallow
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: or Brandon Boudreau at the exhumation hearing. Christensen doesn't recall. 10.48 a.m.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks about the order that was obtained to exhume
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Tammy's body. Blake has objected over 10 times to Pryor's
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: questioning over the past few minutes as questions being asked
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: and answered. Boyce has sustained most of the objections. 10.50 a.m.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Christensen if he can determine the cause of
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: bruises on someone's body. Christensen says he cannot. but he
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: can offer opinions on how they might have been inflicted
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: upon the person. 10.51 a.m. Pryor asked Christensen if he
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: spoke to any of the immediate family members about the bruises.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: He did not. Christensen says he did not talk to
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: any family members about what she used to treat the bruises.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: He says there were ointments and other creams photographed at
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the house that Tammy used to treat bruises. 10.52 a.m.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Pryor tries to ask repeatedly why Tammy Daybell was dug
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: out of the ground. Blake objects each time, saying the
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: question has been asked and answered. Boyce grants the objections. 10.54 a.m.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Pryor shows the bruise diagram on the screen. He asks
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Christensen how many bruises were on Tammy's right arm. Eight.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Four on the front, four on the back. On the
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: left arm, there is one bruise. On the chest, there
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: is one bruise. 10.56 a.m. Pryor asks if Christensen is
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: suggesting someone stop Tammy from breathing. He says yes. Pryor
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: asks if someone was holding her arms down, how did
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: bruises get on the front of her arm and on
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: the back of her right arm? Christensen says you can
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: have bruises from a grab. 10.57 a.m. Pryor asks if
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Christensen is firm on the idea that the death is
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: from asphyxiation. He says yes. 10.58 a.m. Pryor asked Christensen
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: to list the five options for manner of death, natural, accident, suicide, homicide,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: or undetermined. Pryor asked Christensen about undetermined. He says it's
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: used when you don't have enough information to decide between
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: two different manners of death. 11 a.m. Pryor says in
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: this situation, if there was insufficient evidence to determine a
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: cause of death, it would be listed as undetermined. Christensen
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: says yes. It doesn't necessarily mean there isn't foul play involved. No,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: it just means at that point, they're not really sure
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: what went down. And later on, when they continue their investigation,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: if they exhume the body or they go over, you know,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: autopsy results, things might change. You can only tell so
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: much as a medical examiner before you get inside of
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: a body, right? 11 a.m. Pryor says in this situation,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: if there was insufficient evidence to determine a cause of death,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: It could be listed as undetermined. Christensen says yes. It
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean there isn't foul play involved. 11.01 a.m.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Pryor says there are situations where people pass away and
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: there is no way to determine how they died. Christensen
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: says that's correct. He reviewed Tammy's medical records from Rexburg
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: in Utah. There were not a lot of records. Now look,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: if Tammy would have just passed away and there was
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: none of these other circumstances surrounding what went down, then
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: maybe you could get away with it But you have
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a whole ass plot here, buddy. Two kids have been killed.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow's been killed. There's a whole thing going on.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: And guess what? You're smack dab in the middle of
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: that conspiracy. 11.03 a.m. Prior asks about Tammy taking fluoxetine,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: a form of Prozac. Prior asks if fluoxetine is mixed
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: with the wrong medicine, if there could be significant consequences.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Christensen says there could be. 11.04 a.m. Prior asks if
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: the heavy lungs could have had an impact on the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: cause of death. Christensen says yes. Pryor asks if that
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: was taken into account before determining asphyxia. Christensen says absolutely.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: And again, trying to cause a little bit of reasonable
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: doubt here. Trying to give the jury something else to
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: gnaw on. Is it going to work? No. But that's
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: what Pryor is attempting to do here. 11.06 a.m. Pryor
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: asks about seizures. He asks Christensen if he can exclude
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the fact that Tammy didn't have a seizure. He says
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: he can't 100% rule it out. but it's very unlikely. 11.07 a.m.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Pryor says arrhythmia could happen to anyone at any time.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Christensen says that's very unlikely. He says based on Tammy's heart,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: it's very unlikely she suffered from arrhythmia. 11.09 a.m. Pryor
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: is asking if anemia goes undiagnosed for five years and
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Tammy isn't getting treatment and there is insufficient oxygen to
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: reach her heavy lungs, could we get the same results?
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Christensen says he doesn't think so. Tammy was active and exercising.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: And that's the rub, right? If she's out here doing
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: all these clog classes and the rest of it, I
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: have a hard time believing that she's going to just
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: drop dead. There would have been some issues. Shortness of breath,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: you know, coughing up some phlegm, whatever it might be.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: People don't just drop dead like this. 1110 AM. Pryor
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: has no further questions. Blake will now redirect. She asks
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: about the exhumation order. Christensen says he was not the
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: one who requested it. Blake asks if any of Chad's
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: kids ever reached out to the medical examiner's office. He
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: says not to his knowledge. None of them ever passed
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: along information to the office either. Seems to me that
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: the Hills Have Eyes, aka the Daybell children, are way
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: more concerned about protecting their dad than they are about
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: finding out what happened to their mom. And if they
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: were looking for an entrance into the scumbag Olympics, that's
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: a surefire way to get there. How are you going
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: to sit here and defend your pops when there's all
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: this evidence against them? Now, it's one thing to just
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: sit it out and be silent. It's a whole ass
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: other thing to show up and support your dad in
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: the middle of all of this. Yo, my dad's my
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: best friend. But if there was this much evidence about
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: my dad killing my mom and this other stuff, forget it.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Zero chance I'm showing up in court to support him.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Zero chance I'm not passing off information if I have
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: it to the authorities. 11, 12 a.m. Christensen doesn't know
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: if the kids ever agreed to speak to law enforcement.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Had the kids made statements about Tammy's health, Christensen would
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: have wanted to review them. 11.14 a.m. Blake asks Christensen
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: to explain what anemia is. It's a problem of not
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: having enough healthy red blood cells and can happen for
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. 11.16 a.m. Blake asks if anemia
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: is treatable. Christensen says yes most times. Tammy started having
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: anemia five years before her death. Pryor objects and asks
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: to approach. Boyce overrules the objection and denies a request
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: to approach. Blake asks if there were any signs in
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: medical records that Tammy had blood pressure, seizure problems. Christensen
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: says they did not. He did not find any indication
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: that Tammy had negative interactions with her drugs and herbal remedies. 11.20 a.m.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if it was possible someone restrained Tammy while
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: someone else suffocated her. Christian says it's possible. Blake asks
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Christensen if it's likely Tammy died of a seizure. He
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: says no. So that whole entire exchange there is very interesting.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Because I've always had questions about what happened to Tammy
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: and if it was just Chad Daybell who was involved.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Because if I was investigating this, I'd have a lot
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: of questions for Garth as well. Now to be clear,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying Garth was involved in killing his mom.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: But when you're investigating something like this, every stone has
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: to be unturned. Even when the questions are uncomfortable. So
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing that the investigators probably looked into that too,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: but his whole entire reaction, his demeanor, everything about him,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: just rings alarm bells for me. 11.21 a.m. Blake is
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: done questioning and Pryor asks for a sidebar. Boyce grants
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: the request and attorneys huddle in the corner of the
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: courtroom while white noise is being played. 11.22 a.m. Boyce
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: will allow Pryor a brief recross. Pryor asks about the
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: medical records, one from 2017 and one from 2019. There
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: were also records from 2015 and 2016 that Christensen also reviewed.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: He says he also looked at records from 2014. Pryor
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: asks about Tammy going into the doctor for a wrist injury.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Testimony is over for Christensen. He remains under subpoena. 11.25 a.m.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Next witness is Alice Gilbert, Chad Daybell's neighbor. 11.27 a.m.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Blake is questioning Gilbert. Gilbert says when they moved into
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood, they got to know Tammy and Chad through
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: their Latter-day Saint ward and community. 11.28 a.m. Gilbert moved
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: into the neighborhood in March of 2017. She got to
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: know Tammy as they served in the LDS Relief Society
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: presidency together. They met once a week and on Sundays. 11.30 a.m.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Gilbert says Tammy was great to work with. She was
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: organized and computer savvy. Tammy had a lot of empathy
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: for the women in the ward, and she had good wit. 11.31 a.m.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Gilbert observed Chad coming to the church and setting up chairs.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: In 2019, she noticed Chad and Tammy's relationship was distant.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Tammy did mention to Gilbert that sometimes the finances were
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: strained in her marriage. Gilbert never observed Tammy slowing down.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: She never complained about health issues. Pretty interesting that the
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: only people that are claiming that Tammy had all these
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: health issues are Chad Daybell and his family, huh? Everybody
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: who saw her out, everybody who's a neutral witness, they
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: have a different opinion. Tammy seems to be in pretty
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: good health. 11.33 AM. Gilbert recalls getting a phone call
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: from Emma Daybell on October 19th. Emma was sobbing. Chad
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: took the phone and told Gilbert that Tammy had died.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Chad asked Gilbert not to tell anyone for an hour
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: that Tammy had died. Gilbert said she needed to tell
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the bishop. Chad told her not to tell the bishop.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: She called the bishop because he was leaving for work.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Gilbert was surprised Tammy had died. They had just spoken
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday. 11.35 a.m. Gilbert and her husband went over
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: to the Daybell's home around 8.30 a.m. Chad answered the
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: door and hugged them. All the kids and their spouses,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: except Mark, were sitting in the living room. They were stunned.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: They could hardly speak and they were crying. 11.36 a.m.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: When Gilbert asked Chad what happened, he said Tammy vomited
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: at midnight and he thinks she passed away at 2 a.m.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Her legs were hanging over the bed and she had
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: fallen out of bed. Chad also said he thought she
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: died of an embolism. Chad didn't seem devastated, Gilbert says.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: She says Tammy left a church activity that previous Wednesday
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: at 8 p.m. to go to a clogging class. Gilbert
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: says Tammy wasn't coughing that night. When Gilbert arrived, they
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: asked if the kids had breakfast. They had not. Gilbert
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: and her husband stood up to go get the kids
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: some food. Chad told her that the funeral would be Tuesday.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Gilbert was shocked it was so soon. She asked if
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Chad had planned that, and he said no. 11.40 a.m.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Gilbert knew the preparations and time needed for a funeral
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: and was surprised it was so soon. She was also
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: surprised because the funeral was going to be in Utah.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: This was Saturday, and the funeral was scheduled for Tuesday.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Gilbert felt like the funeral had been planned. 11.41 a.m.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if Gilbert went to the funeral. She responds, yes,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I needed to see her, and breaks down crying. Gilbert
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: says Tammy looked nice in the casket. Gilbert never spoke
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: to Chad about why he held Tammy's funeral in Springville. 11.41 a.m.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Gilbert says before the funeral she noticed Chad standing by
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: the casket. He didn't seem mournful. Gilbert said Tammy looked
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: good and Chad said yes she does. Gilbert recalls Chad
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: and all the kids speaking at the funeral. Gilbert was
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: impressed with the children's talks. 11.42 a.m. Gilbert was surprised
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Chad spoke because most spouses are too devastated to talk.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Gilbert says Chad's speech was like a church talk. Other
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: talks at funerals or loving tributes, she says Chad's wasn't.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: After the memorial in Idaho the next day, Gilbert took
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: a meal over to Chad's house. The kids started to eat,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: and Chad told Gilbert he was moving to a condo
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: in Rexburg. He said his friend had a place for
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: him to stay. 11.44 a.m. Tammy is pronounced dead on Saturday.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: And by the following Wednesday, Chad had plans to move
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: out of the house. Chad told his kids to go
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: through Tammy's items, and Gilbert was surprised things were moving
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: so fast. Well, when you have a plan, and then
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: you put that plan into motion, this is the end result.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing, and he knew that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: he had to have Tammy out of the way to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: do all this other stuff. So you don't need to be,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: you know, some kind of great investigator to figure out
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: what happened here. 11.45 a.m. The following Friday, Gilbert went
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: and saw Emma. She was sobbing, had lost a lot
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: of weight, and meals were organized to help her and
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Garth out. Gilbert says both kids were struggling. Chad had
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: moved out by Friday. Gilbert believes he moved after the memorial, 11.47 a.m.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Garth was living in Chad's house at the time, and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Emma was staying in the home kitty corner. Gilbert called
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Chad on October 26th to see if she and her
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: husband could come visit with him. He told them no,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: he would come to their house that evening. Gilbert never
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: saw where Chad was living in Rexburg. Chad went over
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: that night. Gilbert had made cookies. Chad said he found
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: the woman he was going to marry. Gilbert and her
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: husband were absolutely stunned when he said that. Chad said
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: he had met the lady at a conference in St.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: George in 2018. Chad didn't want to tell them who
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: she was at first, but then told them her name
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: was Lori Vallow. Gilbert had not heard the name but
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: then remembered that Lori had done a podcast with Melanie Gibb. 11.50 a.m.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Chad told the Gilberts that Lori was in town. The
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: following Tuesday, the Gilberts went to the temple. They were
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: waiting for a meeting to begin and Chad was there
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: with Lori. Melanie Boudreau was also there. Later that week,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori went over to the Gilbert's house. 11.52 a.m.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori sat on the couch and Gilbert says
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: it was awkward. They were very affectionate with each other.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: more than she had seen Chad with Tammy. They were
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: giggling and laughing, and Gilbert says she and her husband
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: were embarrassed. Chad had never acted that way with Tammy. 11.52 a.m.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Lori said her husband had died of a heart attack
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: in December. Gilbert asked Lori if she had children. Chad
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: said she recently had a daughter who had passed away.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Lori told Gilbert she had children but didn't give a
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: definite answer as to the amount of kids. Oh, had
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: a daughter who passed away, huh? Makes sense considering, well,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: you guys killed her. 11.53 a.m. That October was very cold,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: and there was a hard frost in the Rexburg area.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori told the Gilberts they were going to
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: get married, but they didn't know where or when. They
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: also planned on taking Chad's kids to Disneyland at Thanksgiving.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Chad said he was going to Hawaii to write a book. 11.55 a.m.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Gilbert says Chad and Lori never mentioned taking Lori's kids
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: to Disneyland. Gilbert assumed Lori was an empty nester and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the daughter who died was older. Blake says now may
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: be a good time for lunch. Be back at 1pm. Alright,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: so like usual, that's where we're going to wrap up
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: and in the next episode we'll pick up with the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: afternoon session. All the information that goes with this episode
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: can be found in the description box. What's up everyone
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. In this episode we're
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: picking right back up where we left off with the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell trial. And to do that, once again, we're
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: using EastIdahoNews.com, and the author of this article is Nate Eaton.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: 103 p.m. Back in the courtroom, Blake continues to question Gilbert.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: 105 p.m. When Gilbert learned in November that JJ and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Tylee were missing, she called Chad and asked if the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: kids belonged to Lori. Chad said yes, and that it
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: was a custody issue, but would eventually all be resolved.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: 106 p.m. Gilbert learned Chad and Lori got married in Hawaii.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: After their marriage, Chad visited and the Gilberts showed them
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: wedding photos. He was quite excited to show us the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: wedding pictures, Gilbert says. 107 p.m. Gilbert was surprised they
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: got married so soon. Gilbert recalls Chad visiting the home
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: again after Lori was arrested in Hawaii. Chad had moved
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: back to Idaho. He asked us if we would put
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: our house up for her bond, Gilbert says. He also
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: asked if he could live with the Gilberts. 108 p.m.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Gilbert was okay if Chad spent the night, but not
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: live with him. When he came in, he was quite upset,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: and he said he had to get her out of jail.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: He cried and said it was killing her to be
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: in jail, and could we put our house up for bond?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: We asked him if he had family that could help him,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: and he said no. 109 p.m. The Gilberts said they
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: would think about it. The next day, Chad texted and
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: said he was going to come over with the Bonds woman.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: The Gilberts said no. They would not help him post Bond.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Gilbert confronted Chad about him saying that Lori had a
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: daughter who passed away, but then saying later it was
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: a custody battle. So yeah, dude got caught in his
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: own lies by his own friends. If your own friends
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: are suspicious of what you're up to, do you really
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: think the investigators aren't onto your bullshit? 1.11 p.m. When
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Chad asked Gilbert about the bond, she was a little miffed.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I asked him, where are the children? Where's Tylee? She's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: a teenager. Doesn't she want a life? Doesn't she want
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: a job, a life, and a boyfriend? He said she
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: didn't like people and she didn't like me, Gilbert says.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Gilbert noted Chad used the past tense, didn't. 1.12 p.m.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: The previous February, Chad went over to the Gilberts and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: mentioned that he had a vision that Tammy was going
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: to pass away before her 50th birthday. He didn't know
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: how or when. Chad told the Gilberts that Tammy liked
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: to play games on the computer and that her grandmother
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: had come to Chad. The grandmother told Chad to tell
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Tammy that he was not happy that Tammy was wasting
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: her time on the computer. 1.13 p.m. Blake has no
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: further questions for Gilbert. Pryor will now cross-examine. 1.14 p.m.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Pryor asked Gilbert how often she saw Tammy. They had
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: their meetings on Wednesday mornings for one to two hours
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: and then on Sundays. Four people were present at the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Wednesday meetings. 1.15 p.m. Prior asked Gilbert where the daybells
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: sat in the building. She says toward the middle of
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: the chapel, but after Emma had a baby, they moved
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: toward the back. Prior asked about Chad parking his truck
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: at the Salem church every morning. Gilbert has no idea. 1.16 p.m.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Prior asked about the meal Gilbert and the presidency took
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: over to the house. Gilbert says she involved the bishop
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: and went over to the house with food. 1.17 p.m.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Pryor asked about Melanie Gibb. He asked Gilbert how she
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: knows her. Gilbert says she came upon Gibb's podcast and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: that's where she heard about Lori. Pryor asked Gilbert if
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: she has been to Chad's house and if it's a
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: one-story house. Gilbert says there's an addition to the house.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: You walk through a breezeway and upstairs. 1.19 p.m. Pryor
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: asked Gilbert if she's aware of the utilities on the
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: addition of the house. Blake continually objects that Pryor is
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: testifying and Boyce sustains the objections. Gilbert doesn't know specifics
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: of the living conditions in the home. 1.22 p.m. Pryor
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: asks Gilbert if Chad was trying to hide his whereabouts.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Gilbert says he didn't with them. Pryor is questioning Gilbert
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: about the children, and she chokes up. She says she
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: couldn't get a straight answer out of Chad about the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: missing kids. Well, I wonder why. If you murdered some kids,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: probably not something you want to talk about, huh? 1.23 p.m.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Pryor has no further questions. Blake is back up for
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: a redirect. Blake asks Gilbert if she knew where Chad
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: went every morning. Gilbert doesn't know, but sometimes saw that
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: his vehicle was gone. She once asked Chad about this,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: and he said he could go to the college, Brigham
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Young University, Idaho. Blake asks about the stairs. Pryor objects.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Boyce overrules it. Gilbert says all of the residents is
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: not one story. 1.25 p.m. Gilbert recalls about Chad telling
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: her that Lori had a daughter who had recently passed away.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: As she testifies, Chad rolls his eyes and nods his head.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Blake asks Gilbert if she's aware the remains of Lori's
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: children were found on Chad's property. Gilbert says yes. Blake
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: has no further questions. Gilbert is released from her subpoena.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Bros over here rolling his eyes, huh? An absolute clown.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: If you ever wondered what a clown looked like without
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: its makeup, well, here it is. Chad Daybell is one
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: of the biggest clowns going. 1.27 p.m. Next witness is
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Todd Gilbert, Alice's husband. 1.28 p.m. Gilbert says he heard
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: of Chad Daybell in 2015, that he was an author.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Gilbert reads most of Chad's books before they ever met
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: in person. Todd and Alice moved to Salem in March 2017.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: That's when he met Chad and Tammy in person. I mean, really?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: You're reading Chad Daybell's books? There's nothing else out there
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: that catches your attention? No other great works of literature
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: out there that you want to dive into? If you're
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: looking for an end-of-the-world book, there's a few I can suggest.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: How about Swan Song by Robert McCammon? Or how about
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: The Passage by Justin Cronin? Or how about The Stand
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: by Stephen King? We can go on and on and on.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: but instead you're going to read books by Chad Daybell?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Tell me you're a jagoff without telling me you're a jagoff. 1.30 p.m.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Gilbert saw Chad about once a week, usually at church.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Gilbert would sometimes go over and help Chad with plumbing.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Gilbert says Chad sometimes spoke about his religious beliefs, and
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: they didn't ring true with him. 1.31 p.m. Gilbert understood
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: all of Chad's books to be fictional, based on his
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: near-death experiences. Gilbert says Chad spoke to him. about events
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: he had seen in his visions and things that would
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: happen in the future. The things Chad told him did
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: not always align with the standard LDS doctrine, Gilbert says.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: If Bro was such a great seer, if he was
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: such a great prophet, how come he didn't prophesize any
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: of this? 1.33pm Blake asked Gilbert about Chad visiting his
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: home in February of 2019. Gilbert and his wife were
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: removing tile in the bedroom. Chad sent a text saying
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: he wanted to come over. As he was leaving, he
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: told Gilbert that Tammy's life mission was going to come
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: to an end before her 50th birthday. Gilbert didn't know
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: how old Tammy was, but figured she was around 48.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: This dude's out here talking about Tammy dying, and then
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: it just happens. Okay, I guess we have no questions
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: for you, Chad. Just go on with your life. Oh,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go marry Lori Vallow, and her two kids
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: end up missing and dead? Buried on your property? Nah,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: no questions for you, pal. Enjoy yourself on that beach walk. 1.34 p.m.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: On October 19th, 2019, around 7 a.m., the Gilberts received
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: a call from Emma. She was upset, and Chad took
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: the phone. Gilbert learned from the phone call that Tammy
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: had died, and the Gilberts went over around 8.15 a.m.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: to the Daybell house. Chad didn't seem like he was
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: real sad, like I would expect somebody to be after
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: their spouse had passed on. He seemed businesslike to me.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of strange. 1.36 p.m. Gilbert
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: told Chad it looks like it happened, meaning the prophecy
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: from February that Tammy would die. Chad turned away from
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: the kids and told Gilbert he had not told the
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: kids about the vision. Gilbert asked Chad if he had
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: any idea what happened to Tammy. Chad said Tammy got
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: up around midnight, had a big coughing spell, threw up,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: and went back to bed. Chad figured Tammy died around
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: 2 a.m. from an embolism and around 5.30 a.m. the
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: weight of her body rolled out of the bed onto
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: the floor. 1.38 p.m. Gilbert said they had recently seen
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Tammy shopping at Walmart. She looked fine. They saw her
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: at church at least once a week and saw her
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: in the yard. She always looked fine. 1.39 p.m. The
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: day the Gilberts visited the Daybells, they left and got
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: breakfast for everyone at McDonald's. They returned to the house
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: and Garth told them to leave the food on the table.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: The day after the funeral, the Gilberts took dinner to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: the Daybells around 6. Chad told Gilbert he needed to
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: move out and had a friend on Pioneer Road in
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Rexburg he was planning to move in with. Gilbert figured
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: it was a man. 1.42 p.m. Gilbert attended Tammy's funeral.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: He says things move fast to have a funeral for
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: your spouse when they died on Saturday and services were
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Gilbert says before the funeral started, Chad was
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: standing by the casket. Gilbert spoke with him and looked
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: at Tammy in the casket. We felt like we needed
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: closure with Tammy. He seemed like he was in a
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: hurry to get it over with. Yeah, he wanted to
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: get on with his life. Him and the old skafooza
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: had to get to Hawaii. They couldn't have something like
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Tammy's funeral get in the way. 1.44 p.m. Gilbert and
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: his wife called Chad a few days after the funeral
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: and said they wanted to bring him a pizza. Chad
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: said he would instead come to their house. He arrived
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: at 6 p.m. Chad told the Gilberts he had a girlfriend.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: We about fell on the floor, he says. Chad seemed
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: hesitant to tell them, but he said her name was
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow. Gilbert heard that name before on the podcast.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: They had never met in person. 1.46 p.m. Chad told
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: the Gilberts that Tammy's mission was over in this life
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: and that Lori was to fulfill her mission with Chad now.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Chad said Lori and her friends were going to be
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: in the area and asked the Gilberts if they would
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: like to meet her. The Gilberts work in the temple,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: and they met Lori and Chad at the temple. 1.47 p.m.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Two or three days later, Chad and Lori went to
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: see the Gilberts. They were real happy, excited with each other.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: We invited them to sit on the couch. They ended
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: up sitting real close to each other and holding hands.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: I seen Chad rubbing her leg. I thought that was
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: kind of odd. You're carrying on like a teenager in love.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Tammy had only been dead a week and a half.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Gilbert had never seen Chad act like this before. And
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: that's another common reoccurrence, right? The way Chad was acting
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: with Lori, never the way he acted with Tammy. 1.49 p.m.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Chad told the Gilberts he and Lori were going to
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: move to Hawaii. Gilbert asked if Lori had ever been
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: married before. Lori says her husband had died of a
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: heart attack in December 2018. Gilbert asked Lori if she
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: had any children. She said she had several. Chad popped
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: up and said she had a daughter who had just died. Yeah,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: that you killed. You, Lori, and beaver-ass face, Alex Cox.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: You three scumbags, if there is a hell, there is
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: a place reserved in it for all of you to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: roast like a rotisserie chicken forever. 1.50 p.m. Chad and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Lori returned to the Gilberts after they got married. They
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: wanted to show them all their wedding photos, which were
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: quite a few. They talked about a family trip that
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Chad's kids to Disneyland and Knott's Berry Farm around Thanksgiving.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: They never mentioned taking Lori's kids on the trip. Well,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: because they were dead. Can't take dead kids to the park,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: can you? No weekend at Bernie's with dead kids. Not
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: going to go over so well. For me, the evidence
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: is just clear. Chad Daybell, Lori Vallow, Alex Cox. They
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: were all involved in this conspiracy to kill these kids.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: All this evidence and Chad Daybell basically admitting it by
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: saying Lori just had a daughter who died. This dude's
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: real lucky that I'm not on the jury. 1.51 p.m.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Blake asks who was in the wedding photos. Just Chad
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: and Lori. Nobody else. 1.52 p.m. Gilbert says when they
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: would see Chad, he would tell them that Tammy had
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: appeared to him in spirit at least twice and she
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: was doing fine. She understood the plan and was going
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: to move on in the spirit world. Chad's mission was
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: to be married to Lori and his children were fine
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: with it. Bro gaslit everybody. Yo, I'm the prophet. She
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: came to talk to me in my dreams, and everything's good,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: don't worry. Doesn't matter that I killed her. Tammy's doing
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: great in the afterworld. In fact, her spirit has ascended.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: And never mind coming up with this hogwash. Imagine believing it.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: What sort of weak-minded, bean-brained, stupid son of a bitch
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: are you to believe this kind of nonsense? 1.53 p.m.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: After Lori was brought back to Rexburg and booked in jail,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: Chad visited the Gilberts. When he walked in the door,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: he said, Christ has sent me here to ask you
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: guys if you'd be willing to put your home up
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: for bond to get Lori out of jail. 1.55 p.m.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Gilbert did not give up his home for bond. Gilbert
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: recalls Chad saying that Tylee didn't really like him, Chad.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if there are stairs in the Daybell home.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Gilbert says there are some in the back part of
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: the home. Pryor will now cross-examine. 1.56 p.m. Pryor begins
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: asking about the attached building on Daybell's house. Gilbert says
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: there is a mechanical room, a storage room, and a
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: room up above the area. Pryor asked who used the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: attached building. Gilbert says the whole family used it and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: there was a bed upstairs. 1.57 p.m. Pryor asks about
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb and if she's involved in any organization attached
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: to the LDS faith. Gilbert says not that he's aware of.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks about preparing a people. Gilbert says, to his knowledge,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: she really isn't involved with it. Chad introduced the Gilberts
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: to Melanie Gibb at the Preparing the People conference in Caldwell,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Idaho in 2019. Preparing the people. More like grifting from
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: the people. More like lying to the people. And more
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: like misleading the people. 2 p.m. The Gilberts attended three
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Preparing a People conferences. Pryor asks what AVOW is. It's
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: a preparation website, Gilbert says. Gilbert says Chad was an
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: active member of the LDS church through the time that
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: they knew each other. 2.01 p.m. Pryor asks about Gilbert
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: meeting Lori and Chad at the temple. Gilbert says you
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: have to be an active member and have her recommend
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: to get into the temple. Melanie Boudreau, Lori's niece, and
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: another lady also went with Lori and Chad to the temple. 2.02 p.m.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: Gilbert says Chad is a soft-spoken person. Pryor suggests he's
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: shy and reserved. 2.03 p.m. Pryor asks about the coughing
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: spell Tammy experienced. He asks Gilbert if Chad mentioned that
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: Tammy had eaten to make her throw up. Chad did not.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Pryor has nothing further. Blake will now redirect. 2.05 p.m.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if some of the things Chad discussed with
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Gilbert were beyond the standard LDS teachings. Gilbert says yes.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if someone disclosed they were having an affair,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: would they qualify for a temple recommend? Gilbert says no. 2.06 p.m.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Gilbert is released from his subpoena. He leaves the witness stand.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: We will take afternoon recess and be back at 2.30 p.m. 2.30 p.m.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Back in the courtroom, Chad and John are smiling, laughing
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: with each other. Boyce is on the bench and the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: jurors are in their seats. 2.35 p.m. Next witness is
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Janice Olson. She lives in St. Anthony and teaches first grade.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: This will be her 30th year teaching. She has always
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: taught at Central Elementary the same school where Tammy taught. 2.37 p.m.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Janice saw Tammy multiple times a day. They had lunch
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: together three to four times a week. Rocky Wixom is
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: questioning Janice. Janice says Tammy was a friend and a
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: good colleague. Tammy was very organized on top of things
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: and went the extra mile to get books into the
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: hands of kids. 2.38pm. Tammy attended Janice's high-fit Zumba class
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: twice a week. Each class was an hour. Janice says
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Tammy never struggled in class and wouldn't quit early. 2.40pm.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Janice says she got a call about Tammy's death and
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: was shocked. She had just seen Tammy the day before
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: at school, and Tammy had been at exercise class. Tammy
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: never mentioned anything about not feeling well. She didn't have
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: any ill symptoms. 2.42 p.m. Wixom has no further questions.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Pryor will now cross-examine. He asked Janice about the day
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: before Tammy died. He asked Janice if Tammy was preparing
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: for a book fair. Janice doesn't recall. Pryor has nothing further.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Wixom asked Janice to explain where her classroom is. It's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: right by the front door. 2.44 p.m. Janice says she
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: saw Tammy walking around school all day, every day. She'd
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: come and gather books before the students went to the library.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Tammy would gather books on certain subjects and bring them
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: to the classrooms, and Wixom has nothing further. 2.45 p.m.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Next witness is Taylor Ballard, an insurance broker from Rexburg. 2.47 p.m.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Ballard works at Ballard Insurance Group. She has worked in
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: the industry for 14 years. She met Chad Daybell on
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: October 31, 2019. Chad visited her office to inquire about
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: an individual health policy for him and his children. Chad
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: was losing coverage from his deceased wife's policy through her
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: employer plan. 2.49 p.m. Chad wanted health insurance for himself, Seth, Leah,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: and Mark. They discussed his income, demographic information, and options
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: for insurance. Chad said without his wife's income, His self-employment
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: as a book publisher would operate at a loss. Ballard
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: learned from Health and Welfare that Chad was making $ 30, 000
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: a year. Ballard asked for a copy of Chad's tax
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: return to verify his income. 2.52 p.m. Ballard texted Chad
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: on November 5, 2019, asking for his 2018 tax return.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Chad responded that he was out of the town all week,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: but he would be able to stop by the following week.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: On November 21, Chad came back into Ballard's office. Based
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: on Chad's tax return, it was proven that his business
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: did operate out of profit, so he was eligible for
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: different insurance, and they discussed his options for January 2020. 2.53 p.m.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Chad asked if he were to get married, how hard
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: would it be to add a new wife? Chad had
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: already married at this time, but told Ballard, I'll be
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: honest with you, I'll probably be married by the end
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: of the year. Chad never mentioned the names JJ or Tylee. 2.55 p.m.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: On December 11th, Chad picked up his health insurance plan
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: and paid for it. He did not bring up JJ, Tylee,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: or Lori. Around this time, Ballard received five letters addressed
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: to Chad, but they had been sent to Ballard's address.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: She said that was very weird. It never happens. 2.57 p.m.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Ballard was in health and welfare on December 23rd and
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: learned Chad had remarried someone who had two children that
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: were missing. Ballard was confused and wondered if they were
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: the children she had helped insure. Ballard said this information
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: made her question his deceased wife. 2.58 p.m. Ballard's office
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: handled Tammy's health, life, and disability insurance before she passed away.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: Ballard looked at her life insurance amount and learned it
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: had been paid out. During her open enrollment in August
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: or September, she had upped it to the max. 3 p.m.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: On March 11, 2020, Chad went to Ballard's office to
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: ask about getting health insurance for his wife. He told
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Ballard his wife Lori Daybell... and wrote on a sticky note,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Lori Ryan Daybell. Chad told Ballard that they were married
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: on November 5th, 2019. He had stated to me that
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: she was incarcerated. I told him she wouldn't necessarily get
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: insurance right now, but he was worried about something happening
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: to her. Ballard told Chad she would have to be
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: covered by the state if she was incarcerated. 3.01 p.m.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Chad said Lori would be getting out of jail the
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: following week. Ballard was going through information. When she got
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: the income information, Chad said they confiscated my computer, so
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: he wasn't able to pay himself yet. Ballard said they,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: and Chad said the FBI took his computer. Chad wanted
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: to make sure he, his wife, and son Mark would
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: be covered. Ballard asked about adding dependents. Chad never mentioned
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: JJ or Tylee. 3.03 p.m. Ballard was concerned they had
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: a fraudulent life insurance payout. I was worried Tammy's death
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: may not have been an accident. and the life insurance
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: money was paid out when it shouldn't have been. 3.04 p.m.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Ballard had a conversation on March 16th. Chad reached out
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: because he had received some information from Health and Welfare
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: that Lori's identity could not be verified. Chad provided his
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: marriage certificate and Lori's driver's license to verify her identity.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: The issue was resolved. The last time Ballard spoke to
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Chad was on March 26th. 3.07 p.m. Ballard had done
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: the presentation for open enrollment at Tammy School District, and
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: she gave Tammy the life insurance election form. Wixom asked
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: if she ever noticed what Chad was wearing when she
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: came in. Ballard noticed Chad was wearing a ring when
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: he came into her office. The ring was turquoise. Oh, malachite,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: is it? 3.09 p.m. On March 11th, Chad was thinner
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: and tanner. He had on a black ring. Ballard assumed
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: that this was his new wedding ring, and the turquoise
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: ring must have been Tammy's. Wixom has no further questions.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Pryor will now cross-examine. 3.10 p.m. Pryor references an interview
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Ballard did with Detective Mattingly. Ballard says the entire family
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: was losing health insurance coverage because of Tammy's death. 3.12 p.m.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks when the enrollment period was in the Sugar
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Salem School District. The forms were due back September 15th.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: Ballard gave the presentation at the school on August 23rd.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Ballard says Tammy elected for $ 80, 000 of insurance. Pryor asks
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: if it would be unusual to get the maximum amount
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: of insurance. Ballard agrees. 3.14 p.m. Ballard says Lori Vallow's
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: children never came up in conversation. Pryor is done. Wixom
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: has no redirect. 3.15 p.m. Rob Wood says the next
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: witness will be longer than 14 minutes. Boyce says given
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: the time, we will dismiss for the day. All right, folks,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: there it is. Day number 14 of Chad Daybell's trial.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: And things are continuing to go in the same direction
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: I figured they'd go in. And I think that when
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: we get to our destination... We're going to see a
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: conviction here, and I think the only question is, is
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: he going to get the death penalty, or is he
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: going to end up spending the rest of his disgusting,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: pathetic life behind bars? All of the information that goes
• 1:27:25
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