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Speaker 1: Pedo Kremlin Live on Skying's Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. Has the anti Australia fight back began begun?
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Speaker 2: It certainly looks like that n Adelaide Council last night
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Speaker 2: overturning its ban on Australia Day ceremonies.
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Speaker 3: On janu twenty six.
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Speaker 2: I'll have a word with one of those counselors about
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Speaker 2: just how much comput community support was behind this change.
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Speaker 3: Let's hope it's a first of many.
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Speaker 2: Labour's getting desperate with rumors today they're going to try
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Speaker 2: and ram their misinformation legislation through the Parliament as quickly
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Speaker 2: as possible, with stakeholders told they'll barely get a week
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Speaker 2: to comment on the bills. In terms of free speech,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't get more serious than the changes proposed.
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Speaker 3: So where do the Liberals stand?
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Speaker 2: Overseas tensions rise in Lebanon as the governurges Australians to
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Speaker 2: get out immediately, but at the same time reports that
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Speaker 2: some dual citizens are still traveling to the region. So
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Speaker 2: should taxpayers beyond the hook to bring them home? Where
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Speaker 2: these warnings have been coming for many months, and hopes
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Speaker 2: today of a rate relief was dashed the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 2: yet again, leaving rates on hold, but with federal and
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Speaker 2: state debt mounting, the prospect of a rate cut looks
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Speaker 2: even less likely in the near future.
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Speaker 4: The high interest rate pain that's been felt by Australian
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Speaker 4: households and businesses continues on. It continues on, and that
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Speaker 4: pain is made all the worse by the virtue of
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Speaker 4: the fact that we're seeing interest rates coming down in
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Speaker 4: countries across the world, but not here.
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Speaker 2: But first, the exploding walkie talkies and pages that have
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Speaker 2: done so much damage to the Hesblad terror group in
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Speaker 2: Lebanon should be a timely reminder of the national security
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Speaker 2: downside of technology. Remember, Hesbala only distributed these much less
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Speaker 2: sophisticated devices to their offers because of fear that Israel
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Speaker 2: could penetrate their mobile phone network using smartphones to suck
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Speaker 2: information and feed false information then back into the device.
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Speaker 2: So Hezbula stopped using high tech smartphones and moved to
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Speaker 2: these old school pages. And somehow, it seems Israel managed
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Speaker 2: to insert itself into the relevant supply chain to turn
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Speaker 2: these pages into bombs. Now not for a minute. Should
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Speaker 2: we assume this is only something that our friends can
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Speaker 2: do to our enemies.
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Speaker 3: The United States is.
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Speaker 2: Reportedly on the verge of banning the use of Chinese
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Speaker 2: and Russian sourced software for autonomous vehicles because of fears
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Speaker 2: this could be used to create weaponized cars on American roads.
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Speaker 2: Reutter's reports that this comes after President Biden earlier expressed
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Speaker 2: concerns over the potential for networked Chinese made vehicles to
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Speaker 2: collect sensive information about drivers and US infrastructure. China's policies
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Speaker 2: could flood our markets with its vehicles, posing risks to
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Speaker 2: our national security. The President said, I'm not going to
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Speaker 2: let that happen on my watch. But it doesn't stop there.
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Speaker 2: What about all those Chinese made renewable power systems that
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Speaker 2: Australians have rushed to install to counter climate change and
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Speaker 2: take advantage of government subsidies. The Australian newspaper reports today
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Speaker 2: that the boss of an Australian technology company is warning
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Speaker 2: that safeguards to stop batteries exploding could be bypassed by
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Speaker 2: unfriendly state actors. What Brian craigcare calls the quote hidden
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Speaker 2: threat to national security is in the software. About two
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand home batteries that have been installed
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Speaker 2: across Australia, over two hundred thousand of which are forming
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Speaker 2: potentially non from potentially non friendly sources. The key thing
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Speaker 2: to focus on, he says, is battery software, because that's
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Speaker 2: what protects the lithium ion battery from overcharging. If, says
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Speaker 2: this expert, you are a bad actor from a bad country,
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Speaker 2: you could turn off the overcharged facility on two hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand batteries, which is when quote, he says, all hell
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Speaker 2: breaks loose. Now, considering that a home battery contains some
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Speaker 2: seven thousand times more energy than a pager, he says, quote,
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Speaker 2: the catastrophic potential if such a device is compromised is immense.
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Speaker 2: There are all sorts of good reasons for reducing our
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Speaker 2: manufacturing exposure to China, but that's just another very good one.
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Speaker 2: Adding Chinese ownership of almost all of Australia's milk processing outfits,
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Speaker 2: energy assets, water assets, ports like Darwin where our military
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Speaker 2: are based, road infrastructure, and more. Not just devices but
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Speaker 2: big networks, computer programs and more, you can understand how
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Speaker 2: easy it might be to turn things off or cause
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Speaker 2: chaos to debilitate a country. As we can see with
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Speaker 2: these page attacks in Lebanon. This is not the staff
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Speaker 2: of science fiction anymore, and it's why a government to
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Speaker 2: sleep at the wheel on national security, as I would
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Speaker 2: argue the Albanesi government most surely is is such a worry.
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Speaker 2: In the Federal Court in Melbourne, just after the lunch
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Speaker 2: break today, John Perzzuto, the Liberal Opposition leader, took the
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Speaker 2: stand and the defamation trial brought against him by his
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Speaker 2: former colleague Upper House MP Moirademi. After a few perfunctory
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Speaker 2: comments from his barrister in Matt Collins, Deeming's council Sucrasantho
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Speaker 2: began her crossed denamination of his evidence. First up under
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Speaker 2: the microscope was the dossier that Persuto and his office
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Speaker 2: put together and passed out to make the case that
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Speaker 2: Deeming should be expelled. Not materials so much about her
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Speaker 2: per se, but things that others had said and done
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Speaker 2: for which, for some unfathomable reason, Perzuto wanted to hold
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Speaker 2: her personally responsible, something that at every level is against
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Speaker 2: the very grain of what the Liberal Party stands for
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Speaker 2: freedom of speech and freedom of association. There was then
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Speaker 2: a long discussion and about that secret recording of the
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Speaker 2: meeting between Perzuto, his leadership group and Deeming the Sunday
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Speaker 2: after the Women's rally in March last year. When did
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Speaker 2: he find out about the recording? He was asked, did
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Speaker 2: he really not see David Southwick take the meeting at
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Speaker 2: the time? Why tell his lawyers about the existence of
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Speaker 2: his tape until a couple of weeks ago. In all
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Speaker 2: of this, Chrisanthu was forensic, and she reminded the court
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Speaker 2: more than once that Berzudo in the stand isn't just
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Speaker 2: a politician, but also a lawyer himself. What Chrisanthu argued successfully,
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Speaker 2: in my view, is that Pazuto only admitted to the
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Speaker 2: existence of this secret recording due to his worry that
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Speaker 2: Deeming had one of her own and that it would turn.
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Speaker 3: Up in the trial. Hence he fessed up about this tape.
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Speaker 3: Now on and on it went on.
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Speaker 2: You get the gist of what was discussed, detailed questions
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Speaker 2: from Deeming's barrister, carefully pulling apart every word from the
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Speaker 2: Liberal leader. Earlier in the day, Perzuto's lawyer would back
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Speaker 2: over the media history of Kelly J. Keen, again trying
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Speaker 2: to draw a consequential link between Dean and Deeming and Keen,
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Speaker 2: and somehow Deeming should be responsible for everything done and
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Speaker 2: said in Keene's past. Now, not fair, not legal, but
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Speaker 2: that's where it went. Then there was a long discussion
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Speaker 2: in the courtroom about the constitution of the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 2: the famous we believe statement from Menzies that I've quoted
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Speaker 2: here before that says we believe in the most basic
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Speaker 2: freedoms of parliamentary democracy, the freedom of thought, worship, speech
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Speaker 2: and association. And then there was some debate from Pursuto
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Speaker 2: that somehow his values as leader shaped the party rather
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Speaker 2: than just the.
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party's ethos.
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Speaker 2: At this point Krizanthu reminded him he'd only won the
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Speaker 2: leadership by one vote, and at the election before the
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Speaker 2: last all he had in fact lost his seat. He
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Speaker 2: later won it back in twenty twenty two, just over
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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty votes more than once. Steaming's barrister
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Speaker 2: accused John Persuto of making political speeches for his own
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Speaker 2: interests rather than answering her questions. Now, he disagreed, but
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Speaker 2: the point was made. She even asked him, are you
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Speaker 2: lying to me, mister Perzuto. Again, he disagreed. Interestingly, we
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Speaker 2: saw a series of text messages between Perzuto and former
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Speaker 2: Liberal leader twice loser Matthew Guy. On the very night
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Speaker 2: of the rally, A guy tells Perzuto he has an
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Speaker 2: I quote, You've got a solution in your back pocket,
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Speaker 2: just letting you know that if you want an expulsion
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Speaker 2: motion moved on Deeming and no one else will do it.
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Speaker 3: I will.
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Speaker 2: Guy wrote, Now, this is the night of the rally,
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Speaker 2: the Saturday night, and it amplifies I believe all the
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Speaker 2: way along there was never any chance Deeming would get
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Speaker 2: a fair God. Even before that meeting on Sunday, the
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Speaker 2: very night before, people like Matthew Guy were.
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Speaker 3: Urging for her expulsion.
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Speaker 2: That's why it didn't matter what she said in that
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Speaker 2: Sunday meeting. It didn't matter what statement she could have
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Speaker 2: put out to satisfy Perzzuto's panic.
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Speaker 3: Deemi then was done and dusted, and she was until now.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's head to Cavin Out for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Olivia Caaysley.
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Speaker 5: Good Evening, Anthony Alberzi is calling on Australian citizens in
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Speaker 5: Lebanon to leave as soon as possible.
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Speaker 6: Government these warnings for a reason.
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Speaker 5: The Prime Minister exasperated by those still traveling to Beirut
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Speaker 5: despite the situation Deteriorating further.
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Speaker 7: Is not a common sense thing to do.
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Speaker 8: As tension increases, there's no guarant the government will be
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Speaker 8: able to evacuate them, especially if Beirut's international airport is targeted.
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Speaker 9: Fisiblla transfer's weapons and personnel through that airport, and I'm
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Speaker 9: sure it's on the list of targets that may be
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Speaker 9: struck in the future.
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Speaker 8: But for now citizens are being urged to leave of
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Speaker 8: their own accord.
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Speaker 7: It's Hasibler driving this conflict on and unfortunately the Lebanese
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Speaker 7: people are passengers on that ride.
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Speaker 3: Escalation is in no one's interests.
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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, the Reserve Bank has kept the cash rate on hold,
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Speaker 5: in news that will disappoint mortgage holders. The RBA on
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Speaker 5: Tuesday kept the cash rate at four point three five percent,
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Speaker 5: marking ten months since the last rate move and nearly
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Speaker 5: four years since the last rate cut.
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Speaker 10: What we are doing is what we think is best
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Speaker 10: to maintain this narrow path of bringing inflation back down
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Speaker 10: because it's still too high. It's not really forecast to
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Speaker 10: come back sustainably into the band until twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 5: It comes as the major parties strengthen their cost of
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Speaker 5: living peace to voters.
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Speaker 4: We have been making welcome and encouraging progress in the
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Speaker 4: fight against inflation. It's still higher than we'd like, but
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Speaker 4: it is definitely trending downwards. The government needs to focus
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Speaker 4: on doing the real job, which is to bring core
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Speaker 4: inflation down so that interest rates can come down so
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Speaker 4: Australians standards of living can be restored.
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Speaker 10: Demand is still a little bit above supply that that
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Speaker 10: gap is still remaining there and that's what that inflation
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Speaker 10: pressure is reflective.
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Speaker 9: Of, all right.
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Speaker 2: As we know, yesterday the A Triple C took an
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Speaker 2: extraordinary step of launching legal action against Australia's major grocery chains.
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Speaker 2: In a move unrelated to the ongoing supermarkets inquiry, The.
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Speaker 11: A Triple C has taken proceedings against each of Woolworth's
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Speaker 11: and Coals. The A Triple C alleges that the price
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Speaker 11: discounts as promoted wor misleading.
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Speaker 6: These are serious allegations. If this is found to be true,
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Speaker 6: it's completely unacceptable.
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Speaker 11: Very I mean, it doesn't give you much confidence if
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Speaker 11: that's what they're doing.
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Speaker 10: Unfortunately, we're in a situation now where discounts frequently aren't discounts.
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Speaker 3: I think you need to be honest with the consumer.
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Speaker 2: Farmers and primary producers have welcomed this legal action in
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Speaker 2: the hope it will also force reform.
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Speaker 3: In their favor.
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Speaker 2: For more on this and the other headlines, I'm joined
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Speaker 2: down by Skuy and he his political editor Andrew Clannell
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Speaker 2: Well Andrew, this action relates specifically to supermarket discount promotions
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Speaker 2: and ultimately it was the government or a parliamentary inquiry
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Speaker 2: that exposed these alleged misleading prices. It was consumers themselves.
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Speaker 2: So what does that say do you think about the
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Speaker 2: lackluster oversight by government?
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Speaker 1: Well, they just flag a lot of things, I guess,
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Speaker 1: and they're a bit slow in coming to the decision
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Speaker 1: on them, and so they look reactive as they did
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Speaker 1: when the Prime Minister piggybacked off that saying, look, we're
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Speaker 1: finally his the legislation, the exposure draft, we're finally doing
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Speaker 1: this mandatory code of conduct. But I think there's more
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Speaker 1: concern to be honest, Peter, with this rates decision today
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Speaker 1: and something the Reserve Bank says, and they say headline
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Speaker 1: inflation is expected to fall further temporarily as a result
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Speaker 1: of federal and state cost of living relief. However, our
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Speaker 1: current forecast don't see inflation returning sustainably to target until
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. In other words, we're about to get
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Speaker 1: an inflation figure tomorrow, a monthly figure the government wants
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Speaker 1: to celebrate because it might even be in the high twos,
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Speaker 1: and the Reserve Bank a day before is calling them
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Speaker 1: out and saying that's only because of your electricity bill
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Speaker 1: relief and some of the state relief measures. So when
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Speaker 1: we're still keeping rates where they are, so, I think,
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Speaker 1: out of all the things that have happened in the
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Speaker 1: past couple of days, the coals and will these things
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Speaker 1: a bit of a distraction.
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Speaker 2: Really.
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Speaker 1: If they don't get any rate cuts, they're in massive
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Speaker 1: trouble in terms of the election if they don't get
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Speaker 1: it beforehand. And the longer this drags out the Reserve
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Speaker 1: Bank made clear it's going to drag out today, the
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Speaker 1: more trouble the government is in. Frankly, no one is
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Speaker 1: going to care less about what they're doing about coals
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Speaker 1: and wool worse until we get a rate cut, and
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Speaker 1: that's the problem for the government. They're stuck in the
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Speaker 1: mud at the moment.
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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you, but you could see how
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Speaker 2: quickly they grabbed it yesterday. I mean the PM was
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Speaker 2: like a drowning man grabbing a rope, you know, getting
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Speaker 2: out there with his draft Code of Conductor, desperately trying
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Speaker 2: to look like he's got something to do with his
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Speaker 2: decision by the ageable c.
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Speaker 3: But this is really old legislation.
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Speaker 2: So you don't think he's going to get any political
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Speaker 2: cutos here.
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Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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Speaker 12: No.
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Speaker 1: I think people are just basically saying everything is up. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you're tackling three dollars fifty to three dollars oreos. It's
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Speaker 1: getting too late for somers. You know, everything's already risen,
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Speaker 1: and even if inflation is arrested, it's never going to
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Speaker 1: be as nearly as cheap as it was, even though
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Speaker 1: it wasn't cheap. And I think this is the biggest
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Speaker 1: dilemma for the government. And you see the cost of
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Speaker 1: living relief. They've done tax cuts, they reform them at
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Speaker 1: the lower end. They've got electricity bill relief, and they're
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Speaker 1: primary votes at thirty one. It's going down, so massive problems.
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Speaker 1: And then if you think if they wait till May,
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Speaker 1: which it looks like they'll have to, because that's when
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Speaker 1: they've got to give themselves the biggest chance for one
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Speaker 1: or two rate cuts which could potentially save them into
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Speaker 1: a minority government situation. Then you have to produce a budget.
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Speaker 1: And how's that budget going to look. You're going to
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Speaker 1: have revenues down because the eye and oil price will
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Speaker 1: be down, and you're going to have people reporting again
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Speaker 1: that you're spending too much. And if you spend again
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Speaker 1: to try and win the election, that will be the narrative. Oh, look,
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Speaker 1: they're mismanaging the economy. Maybe that won't create a rate cut.
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Speaker 1: They've got a real bind with this situation. The wa election.
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Speaker 1: When they say a budget will be what the Reserve
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Speaker 1: Bank's going to do and when the election has to
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Speaker 1: be And wow, it's going to be a fascinating first
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Speaker 1: couple of months of the year, that's for sure. But
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Speaker 1: at the moment, it's another grim day. It's another grim
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Speaker 1: day for the government. Just when tomorrow I was thinking
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Speaker 1: they might have a bit of good news, the Reserve
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Speaker 1: Bank has basically rained on their parade, absolutely rained on
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Speaker 1: their parade. Later because they're saying, even if you get
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Speaker 1: a good inflation figure tomorrow, it's a fake one.
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Speaker 2: As I discussed last night with Costamarus, I'm sure you're
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Speaker 2: looking at this in the same way as well. You
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Speaker 2: can see how much trouble they're in, but they don't
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Speaker 2: seem to be arresting the slide. They don't seem to
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Speaker 2: be doing or try trying to do anything differently. It's
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Speaker 2: like that they're looking for a different result from the
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Speaker 2: same modus operundi. I don't get a sense that they're
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Speaker 2: taking this this urgently, that they're resetting in any way.
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Speaker 2: It was the same old, same old shuffle of heads
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Speaker 2: when they had the reshuffle. Yes, they took Andrew jobs
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Speaker 2: out of immigration, but they've still kept him on. And
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Speaker 2: I think they've gone into difficulty with immigration because.
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Speaker 3: Those numbers are still very high.
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Speaker 2: As you know, in a population sense, I mean that's
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Speaker 2: also damaging for them because they're not coming down.
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Speaker 3: And these are the things. This is the.
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Speaker 2: Housing prices, rates, population really hard to turn that ship
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Speaker 2: around in a matter of months.
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Speaker 1: It is, And so we had Jim Charmers on Sunday
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Speaker 1: Agenda admit that they're not going to meet their net
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Speaker 1: migration target. I think that was kind of from the
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Speaker 1: figures last week. We knew that was coming. But he's saying, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: it's because not enough people were leaving. We have arrested
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Speaker 1: those coming in. But how does that wash? I mean,
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Speaker 1: it does feel like there's a lot going on in
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Speaker 1: terms of they are working hard. There is a lot
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Speaker 1: of activity. There is a lot of announcements. This is
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Speaker 1: what they criticize Scott Morrison for. By the way, you've
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Speaker 1: got to feed the beast, which is the twenty four
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Speaker 1: to seven news cycle, which is us. But if you
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Speaker 1: have one hundred announcements and none of them cut through,
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Speaker 1: what good is it? You know? At some point or other,
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Speaker 1: I keep coming on every week and I sound like
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Speaker 1: a broken record. The PM's going to have to take
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Speaker 1: a risk or outline a vision that's different to where
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Speaker 1: we're at at the moment, because right now he's not
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Speaker 1: having any impact at all, and he's just trying to
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Speaker 1: arrest a slide. That's all they've got at the moment.
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Speaker 1: He's just having their feet on the brakes.
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Speaker 2: I think he's also lost a lot of good will
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Speaker 2: with his colleagues or trust in his political machinations, ability
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Speaker 2: because he said to them for months and months and
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Speaker 2: months over the voy, trust me in the corcuse I
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Speaker 2: got it all under controller. I've got a handle on this.
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Speaker 2: It's going to turn around. And of course it never did.
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Speaker 2: He lost his mojo. They wasted a year. So I
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Speaker 2: think they're looking at him thinking, I don't know that
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Speaker 2: this captain knows how to steer the ship. It feels
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Speaker 2: a bit like the Titanic. Some of them tell me
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Speaker 2: those in marginal seats just quickly two things I'm interested in.
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Speaker 2: He's back in the west. That tells me that they're
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Speaker 2: trying to sandbag the seats that they've got over there,
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Speaker 2: and understandably why. But this push on the misinformation, this
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Speaker 2: information legislation, accusations. Today they're going to try and ram
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Speaker 2: the bills through the parliament, but there's only a week
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Speaker 2: a week only for consultation.
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Speaker 3: Give us your take on both.
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Speaker 1: Of those, well, wa, I'd say the way things are
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Speaker 1: going there and probably lose Tangny that's only they had
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Speaker 1: two eight two point nine percent. I think the final
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Speaker 1: registribution occurred today. Bullwinkle, which is nominally in their corner.
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Speaker 1: Probably lose that, and then it's what else on top.
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Speaker 1: They've got pretty comfortable mars elsewhere. But again they're hanging
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Speaker 1: out for a rate cut determines everything. And again the
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Speaker 1: I gave them no hope at all on that today.
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Speaker 1: Misinformation I just can't see it passing the parliament. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you see a lot less difficult reforms don't get there.
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Speaker 1: What they're trying to do here is take on big tech,
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Speaker 1: that in itself is pretty popular. Michelle Roland. The communicationous
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Speaker 1: Minister's argument is the opposition bags this, but their own
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Speaker 1: policy on their website says they want a misinformation Bill,
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Speaker 1: but it just appears like her definitions too broad. Really,
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Speaker 1: it's dangerous. You can say as a government, oh we
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Speaker 1: won't do it for this and that, but then future
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Speaker 1: governments can you know, the Minister has power there, ACTNA
21:47
Speaker 1: has power there. It could be abused basically, So if
21:51
Speaker 1: there is a role for this, it just needs to
21:54
Speaker 1: be less broad of a definition, more specific definitions. And
21:58
Speaker 1: so I think that's why I that just won't get
22:01
Speaker 1: over the line. And so week's consultation, Sure, that just
22:05
Speaker 1: makes me think they're not serious about it getting up.
22:08
Speaker 1: They just want to at least appear as if they tried.
22:13
Speaker 2: And I stick to try and wake the coalition with
22:14
Speaker 2: I suspect Andrew, thank you. Let's go down to the
22:17
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank meeting today. The decision made, of course, you've
22:20
Speaker 2: heard that they're to keep rates on hold four point
22:23
Speaker 2: three five percent. That's dashing hopes for rate belief for
22:26
Speaker 2: those that are stressed with their mortgages. I'm joined out
22:28
Speaker 2: by Judobank economic advisor Warren Hogan for some clarity or
22:32
Speaker 2: a bit more analysis of what was said today. Give
22:36
Speaker 2: us your takeaway, Warren on this decision.
22:40
Speaker 13: Yeah, good evening, Peter. Look, they're sticking to the line
22:43
Speaker 13: which I think is highly appropriate, and that is that
22:47
Speaker 13: it's no done deal that we have got this inflation
22:50
Speaker 13: problem under control. The US has and that was evidenced
22:54
Speaker 13: by their big fifty basis point rate cut last week,
22:57
Speaker 13: but they've kept it on hold. The statement is exactly
23:00
Speaker 13: the same as last time six weeks ago, and the
23:05
Speaker 13: press conference the governor is telling us that, look, the
23:08
Speaker 13: plan is that we're doing something very different to everyone
23:11
Speaker 13: else and what we've done in the past, and we're
23:13
Speaker 13: not taking rates up as much, hoping that we can
23:16
Speaker 13: still get rid of this inflation. But of course even
23:20
Speaker 13: if it works, we're not going to be in a
23:22
Speaker 13: position to cut rates for a while because we never
23:25
Speaker 13: took them up as much. But the other issue is
23:28
Speaker 13: that it may not be working, that we may not
23:31
Speaker 13: be able to actually get rid of the inflation without
23:33
Speaker 13: having to take rates up to a level that other
23:37
Speaker 13: countries have, which is probably in our case somewhere around
23:39
Speaker 13: five percent or a little bit higher. And that's the
23:41
Speaker 13: issue they're grappling with, and that is why they cannot
23:44
Speaker 13: rule out further rate hikes.
23:47
Speaker 2: Wow, we're already at a twelve year high, Warren. It's
23:51
Speaker 2: already costing Australians about five and a half billion dollars
23:55
Speaker 2: extra every month in interest alone.
23:58
Speaker 3: That's a huge concern. If it's got to go up.
24:02
Speaker 13: Look it is, and of course if it does, it's
24:05
Speaker 13: going to cause the economy to slow even further.
24:08
Speaker 3: People go to the wall, literally go to the wall,
24:12
Speaker 3: for sure, and there already people are doing that.
24:14
Speaker 13: I mean, essentially, the strategy we've taken in this country,
24:17
Speaker 13: not just with monetary policy but with fiscal as well,
24:20
Speaker 13: is that we're going to try and sort of drag
24:22
Speaker 13: this out. Whereas the historical approach and what we're seeing
24:24
Speaker 13: overseas is get the rates up, get them to a
24:27
Speaker 13: restrictive level, turn the economy over, and as soon as
24:30
Speaker 13: you're confident the inflation's out, your cut and you support
24:33
Speaker 13: the economy. We're trying something very different, and what we've
24:37
Speaker 13: learnt in the last three months or so is that
24:39
Speaker 13: it may not be working and we may indeed need
24:42
Speaker 13: to get rates up a little bit further. Another thing
24:44
Speaker 13: that sort of bear in mind here is rates aren't
24:46
Speaker 13: going back to where they were. I mean, the rate
24:48
Speaker 13: cuts won't be that substantial, maybe a percentage point. We're
24:51
Speaker 13: in a new world of higher interest rates, so people
24:54
Speaker 13: sort of have to get used to interest rates at
24:56
Speaker 13: this level from here on.
24:57
Speaker 2: In government, though, is trying to be Houdini. I mean,
25:03
Speaker 2: they're borrowing like drunken sailors. We know they're borrowing about
25:06
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars billion dollars this financial year. There's
25:09
Speaker 2: plenty of public spending going on. They're not pulling back
25:12
Speaker 2: from any of that. We know with some of the
25:15
Speaker 2: rebates the handouts that came out in the budget, they
25:17
Speaker 2: have their own inflationary spike.
25:20
Speaker 3: We've got real issues with.
25:22
Speaker 2: The debt that's been held at state government level that's
25:26
Speaker 2: been mentioned by the governor more than once.
25:28
Speaker 3: She's got one lever.
25:31
Speaker 2: Government has got dozens and dozens and dozens of levers.
25:35
Speaker 2: And I think part of the problem is, you know,
25:37
Speaker 2: you've got the Treasurer and the Prime Minister from day
25:40
Speaker 2: one ramping up immigration just to try and keep us
25:43
Speaker 2: out of a genuine recession. But in per capita terms,
25:48
Speaker 2: we're there already or well and truly there already.
25:51
Speaker 13: Yeah, And this is that point is is a long
25:54
Speaker 13: drawn out, slow decline in our living standards any better
25:57
Speaker 13: than a short sharp adjustment your point. The role of
26:01
Speaker 13: government in this is significant, and the RBA has had
26:05
Speaker 13: to shine some light on this because they can't walk
26:08
Speaker 13: away from it. Public sector demand spending, States and federal
26:15
Speaker 13: is going to increase by four percent in real terms
26:18
Speaker 13: this year. The economy can only really grow at about
26:21
Speaker 13: one percent because we're operating at our capacity. So that
26:24
Speaker 13: quarter of our economy, that twenty five percent of our economy,
26:27
Speaker 13: is increasing by four that's that excess demand, that's that
26:31
Speaker 13: inflation pressure. You can see it in the labor market.
26:34
Speaker 13: We've created over three hundred thousand jobs this year. Is booming.
26:38
Speaker 13: It is not weak. We're creating forty thousand jobs a month.
26:42
Speaker 13: That's that demand in the economy. It's an extraordinarily complex
26:46
Speaker 13: situation and it's only going to get harder for the
26:48
Speaker 13: RBA because the broader conversation in this country is about
26:53
Speaker 13: where they're going to cut rates, and of course there's
26:55
Speaker 13: a huge political motivation here as well. So it's a
26:59
Speaker 13: very very difficult situation with the RBA. But they're holding
27:02
Speaker 13: the line, which is great because that's what's in the
27:04
Speaker 13: best interests of this country over the longer term.
27:09
Speaker 2: And of course the political pressure with an election learning
27:11
Speaker 2: is going to come pretty hard on them. Let's hope
27:13
Speaker 2: they would standing in the nation's interest, Warren Hogan, thank
27:15
Speaker 2: you or at After the break pressure mounds of the
27:18
Speaker 2: University of Sydney Vice Chancellor Mark scot to stand down
27:22
Speaker 2: following that woeful handling of the anti Israel encampments and
27:27
Speaker 2: his admissions that the university has failed Jewish staff and students,
27:31
Speaker 2: plus a potential US ban on Chinese manufactured evs ostensibly
27:36
Speaker 2: over security.
27:38
Speaker 3: More on that after the break.
27:44
Speaker 2: Walk about still to come. The welcome move by One
27:47
Speaker 2: Council to restore Australia Day ceremonies on the actual day,
27:51
Speaker 2: January twenty six. It's all due to people power. So
27:55
Speaker 2: does this be in the fight backs underway? The first
28:00
Speaker 2: returned to that damaging Senate hearing in which the University
28:03
Speaker 2: of Sydney's Vice Chancellor Mark Scott finally admitted to falls
28:07
Speaker 2: in the way he and the university had handled those
28:10
Speaker 2: anti Israel encampments.
28:13
Speaker 6: And the testimonials are heartbreaking and unacceptable and for that
28:18
Speaker 6: I am sorry. Students have felt unsafe or unwelcome. If
28:23
Speaker 6: that has been their lived experience, if that is their testimony,
28:26
Speaker 6: then we have failed them. Yes, well, no, that's exactly right, Cinema,
28:31
Speaker 6: and that's why it's happened.
28:32
Speaker 2: Yes, now, despite the fact that those encampments lasted for
28:37
Speaker 2: two months and that admission, Scott is refusing to step
28:41
Speaker 2: down even today when it's been revealed that he was
28:44
Speaker 2: allegedly dismissive, arrogant and condescending towards Jewish leaders when they
28:50
Speaker 2: raised their concerns about the ongo hostilities on campus.
28:54
Speaker 3: Joined me now to discuss this and more. Sky News
28:57
Speaker 3: contributed Chris Yealman.
28:58
Speaker 2: Chris, I know that the UNI has disputed this characterization
29:03
Speaker 2: of the meeting that Scott had with Jewish leaders. But
29:05
Speaker 2: what's clear is that he didn't act decisively enough or
29:08
Speaker 2: quickly enough to stamp out what was going on. That
29:11
Speaker 2: these protests clearly intimidated Jewish staff and students. I mean,
29:16
Speaker 2: is his position untenable?
29:19
Speaker 14: Well, Peter a full disclosure up front. Mark Scott is
29:22
Speaker 14: a friend of mine. I've known him for nearly twenty years.
29:24
Speaker 14: The kind of behavior that's described about him is not
29:27
Speaker 14: the way I understand the man to be. I've always
29:30
Speaker 14: found him to be someone who listened attentively to people
29:33
Speaker 14: who had problems. That's not to say, though, that he
29:36
Speaker 14: hasn't himself admitted that there have been issues at Sydney
29:39
Speaker 14: University and he's found himself warning. So whether or not
29:41
Speaker 14: he should step down I'll leave to his own conscience
29:44
Speaker 14: on that. Underline it and say that around the world
29:47
Speaker 14: we have seen that universities haven't been up to the
29:50
Speaker 14: mark on this. They've clearly been conflicted about the problems
29:53
Speaker 14: that they have on their own campuses. But there are
29:55
Speaker 14: many people in their own faculties are very pro Palestine,
29:58
Speaker 14: and some of them who are pro Now what we
30:01
Speaker 14: have seen has been completely unacceptable. Those students, clearly Jewish
30:05
Speaker 14: students have clearly felt under threat and they haven't been
30:08
Speaker 14: properly protected on the campus environment. Now that is an
30:12
Speaker 14: indictment of universities, not just Sydney University, but the A
30:15
Speaker 14: and you and other universities around Australia and around the world.
30:19
Speaker 14: People have a right to be able to protest, but
30:21
Speaker 14: people also have a right to feel safe, and particularly
30:24
Speaker 14: on a campus.
30:27
Speaker 3: Around the world.
30:28
Speaker 2: Those university heads, though, have gone. We've seen three of
30:31
Speaker 2: the big Ivy League university heads go, Chris, and we
30:34
Speaker 2: know how much money directly and indirectly university is, particularly
30:38
Speaker 2: the group of eight get from tax payers. I mean,
30:43
Speaker 2: let's play it in his favor. Let's say he wasn't
30:46
Speaker 2: as described. Nonetheless, it went on for a couple of months.
30:49
Speaker 2: Nonetheless he's been forced to apologize. I mean, we demand
30:52
Speaker 2: that ministers fall on their sword and take responsibility. I
30:55
Speaker 2: think that's also something we've got to put on our universities.
30:59
Speaker 14: Out and I think that they're all fair questions to ask.
31:02
Speaker 14: All I do is make the point that the man
31:04
Speaker 14: is a friend of mine, so I'm not going to
31:06
Speaker 14: be someone who's going to be calling for his dismissal.
31:08
Speaker 14: But this is now a matter for the board which
31:12
Speaker 14: oversees that university and for Mark Scott's own conscience, and
31:15
Speaker 14: no doubt he's been thinking long and hard about it,
31:17
Speaker 14: and I think, as you've pointed out, that testimony before
31:19
Speaker 14: the Senate does show that he has considered his own
31:23
Speaker 14: actions on this and has has found himself wanting at times.
31:28
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to the news this morning that the
31:30
Speaker 2: United States is considering a band I'm Chinese made smart
31:34
Speaker 2: car software and hardware.
31:36
Speaker 3: This is for their domestic market.
31:38
Speaker 2: It would hit the ev manufacturer B Y and D,
31:41
Speaker 2: but also some one hundred and forty other Chinese brands
31:45
Speaker 2: about to hit the market. Our government says it's watching
31:48
Speaker 2: the situation very closely given the national security implications. Well,
31:54
Speaker 2: I know this gives you an alignment of two things.
31:55
Speaker 2: You are deeply engaged on the issue of China and
32:00
Speaker 2: security and technology. We've seen concerns about drones, We've seeing
32:04
Speaker 2: real concerns about Chinese made security cameras.
32:07
Speaker 3: What do you think of this move?
32:10
Speaker 14: Well, I think I can start this one by saying
32:12
Speaker 14: the Chinese Communist Party is clearly not a friend of mine,
32:15
Speaker 14: and I act with great caution about which about everything
32:19
Speaker 14: that that party does. And look, you know, the thing
32:22
Speaker 14: is that the China will be what China is. It's
32:24
Speaker 14: a communist state. Everything in the state is bent towards
32:28
Speaker 14: the service.
32:28
Speaker 3: Of the party.
32:29
Speaker 14: The only thing the party is really concerned about is
32:31
Speaker 14: its own survival, and particularly above all of that, the
32:34
Speaker 14: one man who runs the party, Shi jing Ping. So
32:37
Speaker 14: would China use any of its technologies to spy on
32:41
Speaker 14: the West, Well, of course it would on the United States,
32:43
Speaker 14: of course on Australia. Of course it's constantly using those
32:47
Speaker 14: means to pick up as much information as it can.
32:49
Speaker 14: I might add, by the way, that when we have
32:51
Speaker 14: the opportunity to do that, we do the same thing.
32:55
Speaker 14: I think one of the things about Huawei we saw
32:57
Speaker 14: in the past was when the security agencies were asking
32:59
Speaker 14: themselves the question, what would we do if we had
33:02
Speaker 14: the same access to networks? They knew precisely the answer
33:05
Speaker 14: to that question. So, yes, there is reason to be
33:08
Speaker 14: concerned about all of those things, and all of those
33:10
Speaker 14: things will be bent towards the service of the state
33:13
Speaker 14: if the state sees are use in that.
33:17
Speaker 3: Let's take the situation of the cars.
33:20
Speaker 2: If you wanted to invade a country and you know
33:23
Speaker 2: that most of the vehicles in that country have got
33:25
Speaker 2: Chinese made software. You turn it off so no one
33:28
Speaker 2: can get their transportation to move around. The cars don't work,
33:32
Speaker 2: the military vehicles don't work. Everything is shut down. You've
33:35
Speaker 2: got Chinese software. Let's say in our water supply, you
33:40
Speaker 2: send out false readings to say the water supply is
33:43
Speaker 2: contaminated even if it's not, and then you paralyze a
33:46
Speaker 2: city that has no drinking water. You could do the
33:49
Speaker 2: same thing on your energy. You could do the same
33:51
Speaker 2: thing on the tolls on highways. You could close off roads.
33:54
Speaker 2: I mean the way in which technology is so embedded
33:57
Speaker 2: in our life, Chris, and the fact that's so much
34:00
Speaker 2: if it's coming out of China, this is a real concern.
34:03
Speaker 2: I just don't know that we're waking up enough to
34:07
Speaker 2: it and taking steps to have non Chinese alternatives in
34:11
Speaker 2: our manufacturing supply chain.
34:14
Speaker 14: Here's the problem, Peter. We've simply cease to make things.
34:17
Speaker 14: We outsourced everything to China. It became the manufacturer of
34:20
Speaker 14: the world that's now developed skill sets that we no
34:23
Speaker 14: longer have. And look at things like cameras. We know
34:26
Speaker 14: the high vision cameras that are used in security nine
34:28
Speaker 14: hundred of them were found in the Defense Department. You
34:30
Speaker 14: don't think that they might have been put to some use.
34:32
Speaker 14: There's an interesting thing, too, is that the Obamas have
34:35
Speaker 14: become film producers, you might note, and one of the
34:37
Speaker 14: films that they brought out last year had an array
34:40
Speaker 14: of teslas that had gone out of control, that were
34:42
Speaker 14: simply slamming one into the other. Now do you think
34:45
Speaker 14: that the Barack Obama doesn't know a little bit about
34:47
Speaker 14: the way that the world might work and that that
34:49
Speaker 14: scene out of that show might be one that he
34:52
Speaker 14: has contemplated. So all of the things that you say
34:54
Speaker 14: are true. We are utterly and completely compromised, and I
34:57
Speaker 14: don't know how we wash this out of the system.
34:59
Speaker 3: Now.
34:59
Speaker 14: I think that's the real issue. And even if we
35:01
Speaker 14: wanted to, we couldn't make the things that we need
35:04
Speaker 14: because we've essentially de industrialized.
35:09
Speaker 2: You're right to point out that obamalink because the water
35:12
Speaker 2: supply one I quitted before, came out of a book
35:16
Speaker 2: of fiction books by a fiction book that I read,
35:18
Speaker 2: but co authored by Bill Clinton, and I thought there
35:21
Speaker 2: was a ring and truth in that one as well. Hey,
35:23
Speaker 2: breaking news this afternoon, Labor has approved three new coal
35:27
Speaker 2: mines in the Hunter Valley. Clearly this is welcome, but
35:32
Speaker 2: after the blaming gold mine decision, what do you make
35:35
Speaker 2: of it?
35:37
Speaker 14: Well, the government has to recognize the fact that we
35:39
Speaker 14: get one hundred and twenty seven billion dollars a year
35:42
Speaker 14: of export income that comes by way of coal. By
35:45
Speaker 14: the way I checked, this is a black coal. This
35:46
Speaker 14: is export coal obviously out of New South Wales. At
35:50
Speaker 14: the moment those people who are watching this program, forty
35:53
Speaker 14: five percent of the energy on the East Coast of Australia,
35:55
Speaker 14: that's for the entire East Coast of Australia stretching down
35:58
Speaker 14: to Hobart and through to southeast is coming by way
36:01
Speaker 14: of black coal from New South Wales. So it's still
36:04
Speaker 14: an essential part of our energy mix. It's an essential
36:07
Speaker 14: part of the world's energy mix, and us exporting two
36:10
Speaker 14: countries like China, believe it or not, helps to cut
36:13
Speaker 14: the carbon emissions of those countries because otherwise they get
36:16
Speaker 14: it from dirty sources. So it's good that the government
36:19
Speaker 14: has recognized the central role that coal plays in our
36:22
Speaker 14: electricity system and in our export income. I think that
36:27
Speaker 14: a lot more realism is needed as we go through
36:30
Speaker 14: this energy transition in the difficulty that we all have
36:33
Speaker 14: from moving from those reliable sources of power to a
36:37
Speaker 14: part time grid, and the fact that coal will be
36:40
Speaker 14: in the system for a long time, and that natural
36:42
Speaker 14: gas will have to be in the system because it
36:44
Speaker 14: will be the backbone of the system that we're building,
36:47
Speaker 14: because it will be the only reliable source of power.
36:53
Speaker 2: Christian with a pleasure as always all right after the
36:56
Speaker 2: break when intending the time and a lift's agenda until
37:00
Speaker 2: actually restoring Australi Day ceremonies to January twenty six after
37:04
Speaker 2: much public pressure, will talk to one of the councilors
37:07
Speaker 2: after the break, plus a bit later on the polling
37:10
Speaker 2: data that's got the Harris campaign on notice in a
37:13
Speaker 2: number of key swing states. Welcome back still to come.
37:21
Speaker 2: The warning for Australians in Lebanon to get out, But
37:24
Speaker 2: it begs a question why have people still been traveling
37:27
Speaker 2: there over the last few months and do taxpayers now
37:30
Speaker 2: have any responsibility to bring them home? But first a
37:34
Speaker 2: win in the fight against a left's push to erode
37:36
Speaker 2: the significance of Australia Day. Not to mention common sense
37:40
Speaker 2: at One South Australian Council last night, the councilors for
37:44
Speaker 2: the City of Uley, a small councilor in Adelaide's southern
37:48
Speaker 2: inner city area, vote at eight to four to restore
37:51
Speaker 2: its ceremonies and Australia Day awards back to January twenty six,
37:56
Speaker 2: after last year voting to change the date. The reversal
38:00
Speaker 2: comes after a community survey revealed that some sixty percent
38:03
Speaker 2: of residents wanted the ceremonies back on January twenty six.
38:08
Speaker 2: Will you want to be now to discuss this change,
38:10
Speaker 2: Only counselor Jack Gaffee, Jack, thank you for your time.
38:15
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to hear that this move's been made in
38:18
Speaker 2: your counsel, that you've listened to the will of residence.
38:20
Speaker 2: But it almost seems absurd that you first had the vote,
38:25
Speaker 2: then you had the consultation, and now it's all been reversed.
38:29
Speaker 2: I know you were opposed to it from the outset,
38:31
Speaker 2: but what's happened here.
38:34
Speaker 12: Look, this is a win for common sense. Only council
38:36
Speaker 12: has done what Noah, the council in Australia has done.
38:39
Speaker 12: We actually spent time and asked for residence what they
38:42
Speaker 12: thought about Australia Day. It's called governance, Peter, perhaps it
38:46
Speaker 12: might be popular. Maybe you should be asking other councils
38:48
Speaker 12: why they can't be bothered consulting their residence.
38:54
Speaker 3: Oh, you're not wrong.
38:54
Speaker 2: I think what you've done is fantastic, and I think
38:57
Speaker 2: people who pay their rates are probably we delighted. Their
39:00
Speaker 2: views are actually canvas that you're not taking their views
39:03
Speaker 2: for granted. But why was there the push to change
39:06
Speaker 2: the date without talking to the residents.
39:08
Speaker 3: First look, there.
39:11
Speaker 12: Was a decision on counsel that we should act and
39:14
Speaker 12: we should lead, and so a decision was made by
39:19
Speaker 12: different counselors that we should do this without consultation. The
39:22
Speaker 12: only problem was that after we'd made that decision, there
39:24
Speaker 12: was a huge number of emails. I had a number
39:27
Speaker 12: of them from residents who felt like they hadn't been
39:29
Speaker 12: heard about the is Raeli Day celebrations. Ordinary people who
39:32
Speaker 12: go to work, look after their families, and they just
39:35
Speaker 12: expect counselors to do right by them. This was the
39:37
Speaker 12: first they actually knew about it, and let me tell you,
39:40
Speaker 12: they're pretty upset.
39:43
Speaker 2: So that says to everyone watching this program tonight that
39:47
Speaker 2: there is genuinely power in people.
39:53
Speaker 12: It does, and for counsels who are as forward thinking
39:57
Speaker 12: as only that if they actually get out and have
40:00
Speaker 12: their say, then we will listen to them. And this
40:03
Speaker 12: isn't going to be the last time that only goes
40:05
Speaker 12: out and actually ask the community what they think on
40:07
Speaker 12: different issues. We're a forward progressing type of council and
40:11
Speaker 12: we actually are actively out there trying to do another
40:14
Speaker 12: one of these surveys later on about tree canopy issues.
40:20
Speaker 2: Well, I love to hear that because one of the
40:22
Speaker 2: things that people say, and they say this is not
40:24
Speaker 2: just about local councils, they say it about government right
40:26
Speaker 2: across the board, is we vote for you, We look
40:31
Speaker 2: at your platform, we expect those things you promise to
40:33
Speaker 2: be delivered, but then you don't talk to us for
40:35
Speaker 2: another three or four years until you want our vote again.
40:38
Speaker 2: I heard you on the tree canopy, But I mean,
40:40
Speaker 2: are you going to be a very active, engaging council?
40:44
Speaker 3: You know?
40:44
Speaker 2: Are you a counsel that deals with the ropes, roads
40:49
Speaker 2: and rubbish the stuff that people care about at a
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Speaker 2: local council level.
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Speaker 3: Is that what your name's about?
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Speaker 12: Look, we deal with that, and we also deal with controversial,
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Speaker 12: controversial issues like actually putting a fence around and a
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Speaker 12: sporting over which unfortunately has divided the community again where
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Speaker 12: again we've been out and we've consulted on that and
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Speaker 12: listen to them about that. Unfortunately, that decision hasn't gone
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Speaker 12: the way in which some of the people want that.
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Speaker 2: To Jake, what would you say to other counselors who
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Speaker 2: perhaps a bit scared to ask the community what they.
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Speaker 12: Think thing, It's important that you realize that you're elected
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Speaker 12: to help people and that we actually ask supposed to
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Speaker 12: listen to people about what they think on a number
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Speaker 12: of issues. We obviously can't govern by asking every single
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Speaker 12: issue as we go, but certainly some of the big ones,
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Speaker 12: it really is important to get people to have their
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Speaker 12: say and to actually come out and tell us what
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Speaker 12: they think. And I think it's important because one of
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Speaker 12: the questions that we had last night was well, how
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Speaker 12: much does this survey actually count because we've only heard
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Speaker 12: from two percent of the people, But perhaps those are
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Speaker 12: the people that really want to be heard. If more
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Speaker 12: people get out and answer some of these surveys, perhaps
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Speaker 12: we'll get more interesting and more intelligent answers.
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Speaker 3: Fair point, Jack, Thank you, Jack, EFFI there good on.
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Speaker 2: Amy was always against it, but talking to the community, Jess,
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Speaker 2: it makes the difference people power. After the break, the
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Speaker 2: worrying signs of the harriffs campaign in a number of
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Speaker 2: swing states, plus escalating situation in Lebanon, Australian still traveling there.
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Speaker 3: As I said, despite months of warnings.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel now to discuss a number
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Speaker 2: of big international stories. Skynese contributed Kosher Gada, past Chair
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Speaker 2: of the Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael Danby
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Speaker 2: The Australian Today, Michaels revealed that one of Melbourne's leading
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Speaker 2: pro Palestine activists, a man who once referred to harmas
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Speaker 2: as freedom fighters, is the director of a steel fabrication
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Speaker 2: company which operates in Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland.
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Speaker 2: Ahi bel Azari founded the protest campaign in November last year.
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Speaker 2: It has also been involved in major protests, including the
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Speaker 2: one recently in Melbourne at the Land Force ex Expo.
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Speaker 2: The military Expo demonstrations that he made headlines with these
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Speaker 2: comments back in February, celebrating martyrdom in the name of Palestine.
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Speaker 3: It's a great every single Marta died.
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Speaker 15: They go to their houses with the suite and this
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Speaker 15: child to his mother said you are very lucky. I
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Speaker 15: wish my mom in your place. How are you going
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Speaker 15: to defeat us when we wish our mothers has the
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Speaker 15: martyr in there in her house.
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Speaker 2: Michael Who's company Best Fan Proprietary Limit, has been involved
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Speaker 2: in a number of government and private sector projects. Now,
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Speaker 2: surely there should be consequences for comments like that.
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Speaker 7: Sadly, Peter, there will be no consequences for people who
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Speaker 7: adulate this suicide cult, who say that mothers should welcome
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Speaker 7: their children being sacrificed and martyrd so cooled. I mean,
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Speaker 7: this guy just is such a hypocrite. You benefits from
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Speaker 7: the open capital ass system that we enjoy here in Australia,
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Speaker 7: yet condemns it by being involved in this proha must
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Speaker 7: pro hes bluck culture. You'll never hear criticism of him
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Speaker 7: on the ABC or the Guardian. You should because he
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Speaker 7: is anymical to the values that they actually profess. But
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Speaker 7: I doubt if you'll lose contracts, certainly not under this
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Speaker 7: socialist left government.
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Speaker 2: Well, if the governor had and in ticket, they'd remove
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Speaker 2: him from their clear list of preferred tenders.
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Speaker 3: It should not be allowed to get a NODDS tender.
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Speaker 2: Application up and that I'm sure is something even the
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Speaker 2: public servants would be forced to do a given the
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Speaker 2: code of conduct with procurement. But we'll see what happens there.
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Speaker 2: I might follow it up myself tomorrow. What about Lebanon
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Speaker 2: if we could go there now on Kosher? A lot
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Speaker 2: of Australians live there. There's this huge numbers of dual nationals.
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Speaker 2: They've been urged for many months now to leave the
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Speaker 2: region get on a commer flights as the Prime minister,
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Speaker 2: fifteen thousand of them there. But what I found astonishing
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Speaker 2: was to hear comments made by our leaders today that
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Speaker 2: there are still Australians traveling there now. Surely, if the
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Speaker 2: worst happens and things escalate even further, do you think
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Speaker 2: the tax payers should be the cost to bring them home?
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Speaker 9: You know, it's a tough situation because there seems to
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Speaker 9: always be a lag time between facts on the ground
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Speaker 9: and these advisory warnings that are issued by governments and
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Speaker 9: when it sinks in for people and when they decide
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Speaker 9: to heed those warnings. On principle, I think it could
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Speaker 9: very well be argued that the tax payer dollars shouldn't
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Speaker 9: be given to extract these people or help them vacage
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Speaker 9: when they've had enough for the warning. I think the
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Speaker 9: issue is that in the era that we live in,
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Speaker 9: where so much tax payer money is sloshing around and
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Speaker 9: being wasted on so many things, I think the government
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Speaker 9: maybe could lose the moral high ground if they were
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Speaker 9: to take such a stance, if the worst were to
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Speaker 9: happen and there were austral incitives trapped there, and that's
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Speaker 9: sort of the conundrum. I think that they will find
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Speaker 9: themselves in because I think you will see some portion
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Speaker 9: of people, some remnants there. I don't think every single
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Speaker 9: one is going to leave, and these situations that could
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Speaker 9: turn on a dime, and then it could lead to
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Speaker 9: a pretty tricky situation for those Australians left behind.
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Speaker 3: Michael, I want to get to the US.
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Speaker 2: But the IDF has published photographs of what it says
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Speaker 2: were Hesbilla missiles. This is in Lebanon, hidden in civilian homes.
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Speaker 2: This is what we saw obviously many many times over
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Speaker 2: in Gaza. We've got some images there for people and
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Speaker 2: real concerns tonight. This could turn it into an all
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Speaker 2: out war, aren't there.
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Speaker 7: Let's be clear, Peter, the Israelis Jerusalem's given up on
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Speaker 7: the blatherings of the Biden blink And administration. They're going
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Speaker 7: for escalation dominance. You've seen that since the headsets and
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Speaker 7: the pages all blew up in the hands of the
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Speaker 7: five thousand Hesbilar terrorists who applied to get them. So
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Speaker 7: they're going. They've got like X rays as just you've
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Speaker 7: shown of these buildings, and they go and they're going
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Speaker 7: to blow them up. I hope there are lots of
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Speaker 7: Lebanese civilians who fled and who don't get involved, but
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Speaker 7: they're in the houses and in the garages next door
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Speaker 7: a Israel as curn't live under thread of these huge
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Speaker 7: ballistic missiles that have been imported from Iran forever? How
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Speaker 7: long does the Biden blink And administration or elbow Wong
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Speaker 7: think they're going to have to live like that?
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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the States. We'll go there now.
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Speaker 2: The New York Times Siana College poll's got Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: ahead of Kamala Harris in the battleground states of Arizona,
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Speaker 2: Georgia and North Carolina.
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Speaker 3: There's another pole. There's about a pole every hour.
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Speaker 2: At the moment, CBS has got Kamala Harris slightly ahead
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Speaker 2: of Donald Trump at a national level and in the
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Speaker 2: swing states amongst likely voters.
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Speaker 3: But it's close.
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Speaker 2: James Carvell famously said it'll all come down to one issue,
47:54
Speaker 2: and that's the economy.
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Speaker 3: Stupid Koshure. I think that's still where we're at it is.
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Speaker 9: This election is so razor razor tight. It's been described
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Speaker 9: Vita as a knife fight in a phone booth, and
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Speaker 9: I think it's going to remain that way up until
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Speaker 9: November fifty during some big swan October surprise event that
48:13
Speaker 9: may still happen. I think you know what this comes
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Speaker 9: down to.
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Speaker 3: You could look at the polls.
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Speaker 9: There are other indicators too, like registrations which actually are
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Speaker 9: surging for Republicans, which would speak well for bode well
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Speaker 9: for Trump. Things like how many mail and ballot requests
48:26
Speaker 9: have been showing up. That's down from twenty twenty and
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Speaker 9: Democrats typically do well in that regard, so that's another
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Speaker 9: thing that vodes well for the Republicans. But then on
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Speaker 9: the other side, in Okama does seem to have some
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Speaker 9: momentum and the polls are tightening, so it's anybody's guests.
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Speaker 9: The fundamentals do favor Trump, the economy, of the border,
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Speaker 9: of the crime, but Notwithstanding all of that, this selection
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Speaker 9: is going to be one or lost on probably forty
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Speaker 9: to fifty thousand votes.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump said it a rally in Pennsylvania today, Michael that, hey,
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Speaker 2: if elected, will end the Ukraine War.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of that?
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Speaker 7: Well, the casualties are terrible. The Russians lost fifteen hundred
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Speaker 7: soldiers yesterday and one hundred and fifty armored vehicles. I
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Speaker 7: mean the casualties. It's like World War One over there. Now,
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Speaker 7: that's a worthy aim to end the war. But the
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Speaker 7: Russians invaded a sovereign country. Can you, as an American president,
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Speaker 7: impose a peace treaty where you give away parts of
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Speaker 7: another country? Is it going to be like Czechoslovakia in
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Speaker 7: nineteen thirty eight? The Ukrainians are very gritty people, and
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Speaker 7: I'd be interested to see what happens between now in
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Speaker 7: January and after.
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Speaker 2: January, get through a cold Ukrainian winter, will see what happens. Then,
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Speaker 2: thank you both for your time tonight. Catch up with
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Speaker 2: you both next week.
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Speaker 7: Thanks.
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Speaker 3: All right, that's it for me too now. Andrew Bolt's
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Speaker 3: up next