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"Honeycomb hideout" · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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This is a Bramble Jam podcast this week on Yo Gavel Gavel. If your
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ex boyfriend doesn't pay his rent, but your name's on the least school flots
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the bill, Judge Joe Brown's gonna put his flip somewhere. And if you
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get engaged and he start buying stuff for the wedding and he leaves you,
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does he have to pay for it? Judge Karen tells us real people,
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hell cases sake justice. This is Yo Gavil, get go Cavil, go
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gave go gabble go go go gabble, go, go go go. What's
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your name gets Gavel? What's your name? Devil? Gavel? What time?
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Hi? Everybody? We'll go on Yo gabble Gavel. Um. Are
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we in the studio with the lights on and rrobes on? Yes? Is
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it being recorded for video? No? No. We had a bit of
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a had a bit of a pick up pick up with the program fo yes
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fo um, But you know what can you do? We're here? We
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made it. When you're here your family. Um, last night was freaking
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wild. The deckies got out of hand. I can't believe we're here.
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This it felt, you know, I felt like I had to pace myself
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yesterday with all of my vodkatana that the pestivities, you know, when it
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got wild to me was it is like I felt like we kept on the
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rail for the first three hours, an hour four. It just got out
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of hand. It it We probably should have cut the feed, but we've
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got awards to do. We don't want to shortenybody. We get well.
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The problem was is the in in the first hour when like we said,
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rig you can get a type five, that's right that and he did a
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Type five like fifty uh and it was five. We had to keep our
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fingers on the beat button. But it happens to the best of us.
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Hey, we it is yogavel gavel. We are watching a couple of different
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judges today. I'm gonna tell Dan about my case. He hasn't seen it,
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and he's gonna try to figure out what happened. And and Dan's gonna
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do the exact same thing, true story, flip it over and turn it
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over and switch. Um. I have judged Karen, which I don't know.
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I don't think I've done a Karen. I think you did a Karen
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early on. I think I believe so. I think that was a Perez,
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Christina Perez, we'll see. Okay, I don't know. So.
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In fact, um, i've never watched her. I really enjoyed it.
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I had a lot of fun, and you did a job Brown Texas Justice.
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Deep baby, man, he has a ball. I tell you,
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it's so good. It's so good. Who wants to go first today?
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I don't know. Let's flip a coin. Ready, here we go,
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heads tales Tales. It was tales Tales. I did it. Okay,
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we don't judge, Karen. I want to introduce you to Alexis Banks,
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please, the whole Banks, the Banks family, Bellet, et cetera.
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Yeah, yeah, um. She is suing Wayne Garland for three thousand,
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eight hundred and seventy dollars and fifty seven cents money she says she lost due
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to a broken engagement. All right, okay, So Alexis says that she
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was engaged to Wayne, she was planning the wedding. She was already kind
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of down the road in the wedding, and Wayne called it off, stood
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her up. Unbelievable. Here's what happened. They met while Wayne was in
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prison. Okay, okay, so, um, I want to take you
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into this beautiful romantic scene. I've got the vibes already. So Alexis goes
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to visit her uncle who's in prison. Yeah, walking by Wayne Caesar Stunner
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and Wayne is like, give me some of that, and Alexis says,
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who can blame him? And um, she did say that, so,
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uh, he probably hasn't seen a woman in a watch. Yeah. So
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Wayne slides her note somehow I don't know, just prison, I don't slides
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her a note and she begins writing with him. Writing turns to phone calls.
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Phone calls turns to her going to visit him every Saturday for a year.
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Are we talking conjugals? No, conjugals will get to that. Okay,
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every Saturday for a year. Um, and um it's it's hot,
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it's heavy. They're having a lot of fun, you know, they're talking
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as much fun as you can have, uh, talking to somebody in prison.
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Um. Karen says, I cannot believe you are spending this much time
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on a guy in prison. Wayne. How many times have you been to
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prison? And he says, this is my third or fourth time, depending
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on what how big? I don't know. So she is going every Saturday
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for a year to visit a third time Felon's right, he's been convicted of
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three felons. There are all the three strikes you become a felon situation.
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They are all drug related. Okay, okay, so you know, Karen
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says a three time felon. So I'm going to disagree with Karen. Okay.
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So six months after meeting, he gets on his knees and his nice
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orange jumpsuit and has a paper ring for her that a friend made him in
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prison and says, I'll get you the real thing when I'm out now.
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Um. Wayne says that he thought Alexis was the best thing to come his
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way, that he was really going to turn his life around, and right
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before getting out of prison, he writes the warden a letter and says,
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would you um do a commitment ceremony for me and Alexis? What? And
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uh? What is that? So it is a a non is not legally
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binding ceremony of two people saying they're committing their lives together. So it's similar
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to a wedding, but different because it does not matter. It's a dedication.
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It's a dedication, yes, which I you know, let's be honest,
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wouldn't the world be better or at least there'd be less money loss if
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we just said, let's just all do commitment ceremonies. Yeah, that's one
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way to look at it. So, um, so they do the commitment
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ceremony to prove their love to each other. Judge karns very confused by this.
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She's like, you're married, and she's like, no, it doesn't
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it didn't matter. It's Wayne says, he wanted to do this to prove
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my love for her. But um, one did not give them conjugal visits,
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so that never happened. Okay. Judge Kren says, thanked the Lord,
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okay, and um but it what it did give him for some reason
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reason like something about showing that you're committed to something made him get more food
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at dinner. So good, okay for him, good job. But that's
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a life hack for those of you out there that are considering getting in the
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prison game. Um do a commitment ceremony because you'll get more food considering getting
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in the prison game. That's exactly right, right, that's exactly right.
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Um. So he uh, he gets out of prison, he moves in
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with her, Okay, immediately right at prison. Judge Karen says, why
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would you do that? Alexis? She heard much from Alexis, and Alexis
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is like, why, here's the thing. Alexis talks a lot in this.
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She interrupts a lot, but she doesn't doesn't say much if that makes
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Alexis says I loved him, and she says, um, you you you
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didn't. You don't know him And she says, I went every Saturday for
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a year. And Karen says, that's not real life. You are getting
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to know a guy with no responsibilities, who doesn't have to pay for anything.
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He doesn't have to do anything. All of his meals are supplied for
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him. He doesn't even get to pick how much food he gets to eat.
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You know, he gets a little bit more than exactly right. But
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you didn't actually get to know him well. She says, I felt like
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I knew him, so uh moving, moving it goes and she says,
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I'm sorry. Wayne says I went from prison to another jail in her house.
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Um, I get in and she immediately has rules for me, such
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as I can't call my baby mama. Uh with her phone in the house.
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Um can He says, Hey, we should try to get a bigger
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place so that my son could come. Um. She says, no,
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no, not doing that. Um. And Alexis speaks up and says,
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um, that's because it's not your baby. Oh snap and us. No,
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it doesn't get to the paternity test, but there is some of that.
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Uh. He also says that Alexis talks a lot for him, which
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she does. She speaks of and she's like so uh. Karen's like I
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can see that. Um. So Wayne is like he is my son um
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and she says, uh, no he's not because that baby looks like the
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bailiff. The bailiff is white, and Wayne says, uh, well,
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he could do worse. He's a handsome bailiff Wayne. So there's that kid's
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white. It's not his kids. So the baby mama comes and she is
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light skins, so she has there's there's some sort of mix there. She's
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not white, um, but she's definitely on the lighter side o. Um.
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So Uh brings her out and she says, listen, we never did
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a paternity test. We were together for four years. Um, I have
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never been with anyone aside from Wayne. Wayne signed the birth certificate. The
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baby is hiss um. Karen says, is there a picture of the baby,
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and they're like, no, we didn't bring a picture of the baby.
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Alexis says, you know, I don't have a picture of that ugly
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little thing. That child not attractive. Wow, I don't know. Alexis
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does, though, have receipts for all of the things that she spent money
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on, such as the dress and different stuff like that, um totaling three
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thousand, eight hundred and seventy dollars and fifty seven cents, which is the
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amount of money that she is suing Wayne four UM. Wayne says, I
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left her because not only wouldn't would she not let my son come visit the
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apartment or come stay the night. She didn't even want him at the wedding,
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doesn't want the kid as a part of the wedding. And Alexis says,
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it's because it's not your kid. Wow. They can't get past that,
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can't get past that. So he leaves her with you know, three
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thousand, eight hundred and seventy dollars and fifty seven since worth of wedding debts,
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and it's time for Karen. So this is interesting because we've had a
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wedding case where I learned that a wedding ring is one of the few things
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that you can actually get reimbursed for if the wedding ring is not returned,
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and it's legal that that money is actually still yours if they do not follow
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through the wedding. It's a gift that's been given in contract, and if
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you don't go through the wedding, you get the money back or the ring
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back. Yet this is different. None of these this stuff is a ring,
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and so this is on her. Unfortunately, now it sounds like she's
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a terrible person that won't let his kid come to the wedding or be around.
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Regardless of his kid or not, he's raised the kid or at least
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been around, signed the birth certificate, trying to be a good father.
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She's getting nothing. That's my based upon my reading of the law. Brand
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she's getting nothing back to you. Karen says, Alexis, when you go
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home tonight, I don't want you to turn on the TV. I don't
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want you to open up your laptop. I don't want you to look at
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your phone. I want you to evaluate your life because what you had with
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Wayne was not love. Oh boy, were you lonely? Probably? Was
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it lust? Absolutely? Do you have low self? Self? Esteem that
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you would end up falling in love with somebody who's a three time felon,
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got him with with no job, probably very difficult to get a job.
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Yep, sure do. I don't protect people from foolishness. No money for
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you ruling in favor of the defendant, No, she does. Just got
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very nice to Wayne kind of. She's like, I don't know why you
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would ever be in love with Wayne A. Wayne's just sitting there like,
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okay, oh, you know. You know what though, I in the
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small amount of time that I saw Wayne with his baby mama, I'm shipping
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them. They seem like a very nice couple, and I really liked Wayne.
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Wayne, Wayne well spoken, seems like a good guy who you know,
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has obviously made poor decisions in his lot um. He was caught with
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a lot of marijuana with the attempt. He was charged with possession with the
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attempt um. So obviously poor decisions for Wayne um and life someonely gonna get
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harder for him. It's gonna be difficult, you know, with with his
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record to get a job, and that's unfortunately the system right now. Um,
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But I like him. I would take a chance on Wayne, take
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a chance. I would I would take a chance on Wayne, and Wayne
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is very happy that he gets to be more hands on with his kid,
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which was the big reason why the wedding ended up falling apart because with Alexis
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wouldn't allow that. So really, Wayne, you're dodged a ball. There
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s good to your kid. Keep fighting, do the right things. Yeah,
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if you want to email us, we'll get you a job. That's
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right, We got a job here for again. Uh kind of kind of
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also like a prison here. Yeah. Uh, it'll be fun, fun
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prison fun. It's fun, fun prison. It's fun prison. Hey,
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let's take a quick break. Yeah, welcome back. We got Judge Joe
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Brown on the line. Judge you there, all right, we'll be right
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back here on yoga. We'll go all oh boy, we're back. Judge
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Joe Brown not f and around. Uh he is he is serious. Sarah,
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Sarah, snake in his boot. There's a snake in my boot.
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Uh. Let me introduce you to the plaintiff. Uh, Tijuana Baxter,
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Tijuana Baxter is her name, Tijuana, Tijuana, Tijuana. Yeah, there's
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a there's a t I w u an a situation interesting okay, um,
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and she is suing her ex boyfriend for two thousand, six hundred and ninety
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two dollars. His name is Mark Graham, and Mark Graham has big energy.
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U he Uh, he is not a huge guy, but everything he
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does is intense. He's staring, he's drinking water, he's talking, he's
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got things to say. He's he's got big energy. Everything is pointed and
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is direct, and he's he's he's here. So it's Tijuana and Juanna Mark.
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And Mark's not afraid of a fight. He's got big energy. I
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don't know if I've told you that yet or not. Uh, he's got
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some interesting six hundred nine two dollars for rents not paid, cannot pay up,
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so they this is Tijuana talk. And she says they've been friends for
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nine years. They dated for two to three years. It didn't it didn't
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work out, but we remain friends. I'm always amazed at how little people
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know about time, Like a year is a long time, or like I
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don't know a prison sentence is it three or is it four? I don't
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feel like it's something two to three years something like that. Now. Uh.
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He had bad credit, go figure, big energy, bad credit,
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and so he wanted an apartment of his own and this woman who was not
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dating him and not living with him, signed the lease for him as the
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tenants. He sublet from her and he got an apartment from her and it
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went great. He paid all twelve months, no problems, no issues,
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got himself a girlfriend, they moved into another place. All in all done.
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That was the end of that story. Now, unfortunately for Mark and
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really for Tijuana, he broke up with his girlfriend a couple of years later,
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so we have evidence that he is capable of paying for this twelve months,
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no problem, right, we got that evidence. You know, Tijuana
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got got the lease for him, he paid it, he did his thing.
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So he then he went and lived with his girlfriend. Well, he
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broke up with his girlfriend. So what happens when he breaks up with his
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girlfriend? What does he do? He immediately calls his girl Tijuana. He
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says, I broke up with my girlfriend. Can I stay with you for
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a couple of months? And she says yes, and she asked him for
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no rent. They definitely got it something going on. Something, Yeah,
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No, she asked him for no rent, no utilities, no nothing.
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She's staying and he's staying like with her on her couch on her couch.
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Yeah, uh, he said, I stayed on She said, he stayed
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on my couch for two months. A month and a half in he found
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a place he wanted to stay. I co signed for him again for his
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own place to stay, as he would sublet for me. I co signed.
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My name was on the lease. His name was not m for an
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apartment. Because he had proven himself trustworthy, he got that apartment. He
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moved in so Ja really quick. So you know, she's obviously has a
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past with him. There's a full a year of payments. Yeah. Yeah,
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what was his job situation? We don't know. We still don't know
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what he does, but we know that, like she felt good enough obviously.
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She said that he had proven himself capable. He had paid all the
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rent, it had never been an issue, and he had a job at
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the time. Yes, and so he was he was gonna be able to
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pay it again. So Judge Joe pops in and says, um, did
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you stay at the apartment with him? And she says no, And immediately
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Martin pops in big energy and he goes, yes, she did your honor.
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She was there all the time, pretty much like a honeycomb hideout.
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Now he said. He says, honeycomb hideout, and I don't. I've
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never heard of. I love it and I love that and Joe Brown lets
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it go, but we'll come, we'll circle back. I probably I love
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it first time he let it go. Uh and and he she said,
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he said, he did, she did. She was there all the time.
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It was pretty much like a honeycomb hideout. And uh the uh Tijuana
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says, no, I had a house of my own, I had a
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mortgage. I was not involved with him. I did not stay there a
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single night. It never ever had. Wow, this is a straight up,
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she said. The defendant pops back up and goes, now, you're
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on it was a hot situation, honeycomb hideout, hot situation. I love
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Mark Man. Judge Joe says, it can be a hot situation all you
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want. That doesn't mean she was living there. What did you call it
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again? A honeycomb? What honeycomb hot out? You're on it, That's
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what I call it. And then he goes, yeah, Judge, and
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then he says this just like this. He says it just like this.
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He looks in the camera. What I think is the camera, but it's
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Judge Joey goes, Yeah, Judge, honeycomb hote out, hot situation,
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hot, emphasizes hot um, and Judge Joe goes, once again, it
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could have been a hot situation and a honeycomb hote out or whatever you called
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it. But she, by her admission, has a mortgage and it's so
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that was not her place of rest. She says, though that they never
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hooked up. Well they did for two to three years, and no honeycombe,
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no hot honeycomb hide out, none of that going on. And she
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has he has a copy Judge Joe Brown has a copy of the Least that
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has her name but has him as the sublet of her. And he says,
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she was not staying there. She was your landlady. That's who she
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was. She was your landlady, regardless of how hot the situation was.
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She was your landlady. And he says, but also the lease holder,
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you're on it, and he said, basically, he just says, um,
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okay, you left your lease early. You decided to leave that honeycomb
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hide out. Why did he leave? Uh? I don't know if it
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was a girlfriend or he found a bigger place. We'll get to it in
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a second. Yeah, um, and he said. He basically just keeps
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telling him to shut up because I'll get to you in a second. I'll
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let you explain your story. Just shut up, jud Joe Brown just keep
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saying, just to stop talking. Stop talking. We're still with the plaintiff.
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So he goes back to Tijuana. Tijuana says he told me in August,
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right after he moved in, uh, he moved out. He wanted
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to move out. He found a bigger place. He wanted to move out.
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I said, hey, are you going to take care of the rent
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and make sure you can actually get out of this lease? He said,
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yes, I'll take care of it. So I called the rental company.
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He did not take care of it. They said the rent hadn't been paid
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for August, and then, to break the least, the rental company and
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he required August rent, and then required two months rent, and then required
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pro rated fees based upon the whole year. So all of that total to
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twenty one hundred and sixty nine dollars, which she takes her credit very seriously.
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She said, I take my credit very seriously, your honor. I
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was upset. He told me he'd pay it, and then he said he
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didn't have the money and he wouldn't pay it. I paid it to keep
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my credit in standing. But this is on him. So Judge Joe goes
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back to Mark and says, all right, it's now your turn. Tell
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me your side of the story. And he says, first off, I
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was never sleeping on the couch at her place. I'm not a couch sleeper.
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That's how he just right out of the gate. That was the thing,
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that was the most important thing. I was never on that couch.
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You know where I was. I was. I'm not a couch sleeper.
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That's not how I do things. Second of all, your honor. She's
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a close friend. She's very dear to me. I've always been a responsible
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individual. The reason I couldn't get the apartment for myself is because I'm a
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convicted felon. Judge Joe go has always been responsible. We do that bit,
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okay, Now, he says, three weeks into this lease, I
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found a three bedroom house I wanted to get. I could afford it.
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I figured we could end the lease and you want it. She procrastinated a
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little bit. She didn't call and ask about that stuff. She procrastinated a
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little bit, and Judge Joe Brown says, so you think this is all
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her fault and he said, yeah, you're honor, I think it is.
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I think it's her fault. Uh. And and he said, I
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told her she asked for five eighty five right up front. You know,
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in this economy, we ebb and flow, sometimes we got money, sometimes
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we've done. I didn't have the five eighty five, but I told her
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the worst case scenario is we go to court. Worst case scenario. And
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he said, the worst case scenario is to go to court like and he
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said, like with the rental company. And he said, yes, he
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goes, but your name's not on the least. She would go to court
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with the rental company. And he says, but I would be there with
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her for support. Yeah, worst case scenario gets pretty bad. Judge Shoe
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said, looks at two one is did he say this? She said,
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uh, yes, Uh, he totally said this to me. I was
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like, I'm on the least like it wouldn't affect you at all. And
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he kept saying I'd be there for support, and I didn't know what that
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meant. So Judge Joe then says, he looks at Mark and he goes,
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do you know what a pigeon drop is? Go and uh Mark says,
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yes, your honor, I've seen it on my windshield. And he
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says, no, no, no, no, A pigeon drop is a
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con and he basically explains it's a con where the con artists is currently being
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conned, but he doesn't know he's being conned. And I didn't quite understand
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it. But basically, the con artist who thinks he's pulling the con is
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actually being conned. And the defendant goes, what's that have to do with
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this case, your honor? And he says, because I'm using every skill
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I've got not to bust out laughing at you right now. You think you're
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pulling one over on everybody. But I'm up here trying to use zen and
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every skill at my disposal to keep from busting out laughing at you and your
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trifling self. That's what he says. The audience collaps. Judge Jo then
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says, in cases of felonies, the character of the witness can be impeached
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if there's a record of misbehavior, and the defendant goes, your honor,
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that was five years ago. I've changed. What happened to change? I
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thought change was allowed and he says five years my foot, I've got fifteen
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pages of records. Two and a half years ago there was a conversion of
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property. Defendi goes, that wasn't me. You got your facts wrong,
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wasn't me. I didn't do that. He goes, well, i've got
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forgery. I've got forgery again, and he said, half of that's not
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me. And then he saw he said, I've got vehicular homicide. So
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you killed somebody forgery of an instrument whatever that means. When are you going
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to stop procrastinating and get on with your business of being an adult? And
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then he's ready to rule he killed someone, Yes, vehicular homicide. Oh
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my yeah. Well I don't think I think she is gonna get all the
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money here. Listen, it's always risky to do what she did. It's
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always a risk, right to get to to sign for somebody else to do
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a sub lease and then to pay out a pocket for their mistake. It's
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always a risk, I would say. In in in most uh you know
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eat scenarios, it still falls to the to him and so he should have
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paid it, and so it seems like a pretty easy one. But it
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also doesn't hurt that he's the worst. Oh yeah, and so I think
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she's gonna get all the money. So Judge Joe Brown, you would be
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wrong on a technicality. Judge Joe Brown doesn't just give her all the money.
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He gives her interest as well. He's he paid this money a couple
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of years ago. You should be getting the interest on that money if it
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was in your pocket. And so he gives her not the total. He
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gives her one hundred and some extra dollars in interest for two thousand, eight
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hundred and seventy three dollars. That's what Judge Joe Brown does. He makes
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it sting. He pulled, he pulled out the guy's record. Yeah,
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yeah, he was not messing around. That's great, man. And we
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gabbled hard hot out Honeycomb hide out. I love that man. Um join
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the Honeycomb hide Out of Bramwell Jam plus if you don't mind, come hang
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out with us. It's hot hot hot um and uh dan, do we
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have an announcement about Cavil? Do we? I think? So? Yeah?
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What is it? This is the last gabble you're gonna get for free?
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Is that? It got so sad? Yeah, this is the last
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one you get for free? Wow. So all of those who wait every
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Jam Plus now that's right. That's right, dect Hammark plus. You gotta
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go get it. Dicta Halmars moving in five days a week, yes week.
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Let's try announced it yet last night and UH in order to help pave
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the way for that, UH is a once a month occurrence for our paid
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subscribers to bramble Jam Plus. That's exactly right. We've had a fun time
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gabbling with all of you though. That's right, and we'll maybe we'll do
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it again in the future. I think we might. Okay, okay,
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um, until the next time, Until next time, all right yo.
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