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#696 - Pac Div Talks New Project, Blog Era, Kendrick Lamar, Mac Miller, The Cool Kids & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Bootleg Cab Podcast, man. We got a special guest in here, man.
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  Speaker 1: These guys are LA rap legends. I put them on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when we think about the blog era, this
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  Speaker 1: rap shit, you guys are definitely the architects, some of
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  Speaker 1: the architects of what we know to be that era
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  Speaker 1: of music. Pac Div in the field.
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  Speaker 3: What's up with it, man? Thanks for calling us legends, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so crazy because I just, like, there's like
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  Speaker 1: a few, like, my favorite, I always feel like Cool
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  Speaker 1: Kids and you guys were like damn near like beginning
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  Speaker 1: but like right before the blog era was like a
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  Speaker 1: thing thing but then you guys you got like once
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  Speaker 1: it started to kind of take off you guys are
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  Speaker 1: already like super established but i feel like y'all don't
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  Speaker 1: get like enough love i told the same thing to
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  Speaker 1: chuck and and uh mike i was like yo man
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  Speaker 1: when we think about just the impact you guys had
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  Speaker 1: on just sonics and just coming out of la too
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  Speaker 1: just bringing something different to the table thank you You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think, like, you guys were, like, kind of pre-Kendrick.
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  Speaker 1: You guys were definitely pre-Kendrick in terms of just, like,
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  Speaker 1: before Kendrick got the Drake cosign and all that shit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: He was there, but he was K-Dot.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right.
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  Speaker 4: He was K-Dot.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But I just, like, think, like, for a minute, like,
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  Speaker 1: obviously there was game, but I was just, like, the L.A.
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  Speaker 3: Shit. It was, like, packed in.
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  Speaker 1: It was the hottest shit out of L.A., man. So
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  Speaker 1: it's been dope.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to Blue Collar, because.
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  Speaker 5: That's our cousin was in a group called Blue Collar
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  Speaker 5: with this guy, Reese.
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  Speaker 3: One and Basic. That's their solo names.
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  Speaker 5: But they had this thing called the 99 Cent Special
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  Speaker 5: that they used to have at the Little Temple. Was
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  Speaker 5: it the Little Temple or Virgil in Santa Monica? And
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  Speaker 5: it used to cost like a dollar to get in.
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  Speaker 5: And they were the first people to give us a
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  Speaker 5: stage to rock on. And this was like late 05.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: And right around this same time, we were doing studio
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  Speaker 5: sessions with Blue and Exile and Miguel.
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  Speaker 1: Blue's in that combo too. Miguel too. Shout out to Miguel, man.
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  Speaker 1: But Blue, man, shit, he's another one of them guys that, like, damn.
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  Speaker 1: Especially with the underground shit, like, he's got a class.
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  Speaker 1: You know, not a lot of people say they got
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  Speaker 1: a classic. He got a classic.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he does.
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  Speaker 6: And we was there when he was making Below the
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  Speaker 6: Heavens for the most part. We was out there kicking
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  Speaker 6: it with him every day, making stuff and kicking it.
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  Speaker 1: How, like, because kind of like before you guys, there
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  Speaker 1: was a dope, like... influx of dope hip-hop groups out
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  Speaker 1: of L.A. that were kind of on the underground side,
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  Speaker 1: like Dilated, Jurassic 5. How influenced by those guys were you,
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  Speaker 1: and how hip to that kind of scene were you guys?
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  Speaker 7: We used to listen to all the radio stations on
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  Speaker 7: Wake Up Show, and what was the Friday Night Flavors?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Part 106. We was always tapped in with Cron Don,
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  Speaker 7: Self Scientific. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Was a lot of like the- Strong Arm Steady.
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  Speaker 7: Strong Arm Steady.
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  Speaker 3: Defari.
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  Speaker 1: Defari.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Rue.
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  Speaker 7: RazzCast. Huge RazzCast fan since the 90s, for real.
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  Speaker 4: Planet Asia. Planet Asia.
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  Speaker 1: Him and Roscoe had the Cali Asian shit going on.
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  Speaker 7: Shout out Fresno.
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  Speaker 4: Shout out.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. So we was all tapped in, all the West
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  Speaker 7: Coast underground.
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  Speaker 1: When did y'all feel like- Sonically, you guys had your
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  Speaker 1: own sound. When did you feel like you kind of
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  Speaker 1: hit that groove where you were like, oh, this is fresh,
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  Speaker 1: and this feels like us, if that makes sense?
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  Speaker 5: Silver Freshness, the blend tape, 2006. But we were working
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  Speaker 5: on that blend tape late 05 all the way to
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  Speaker 5: the summer of 06, and we finally looked at each
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  Speaker 5: other and was like, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think we got it.
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  Speaker 1: We got with our producer, Swift D, who lived up.
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  Speaker 5: In Lancaster, and we would just go to his house,
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  Speaker 5: or he would come by our house, and we'd just
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  Speaker 5: be hanging out, playing video games, music playing, and stuff
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  Speaker 5: like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think, along with him honing his sound.
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  Speaker 5: our rhymes just seemed to like us just being around
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  Speaker 5: each other and competing rap styles.
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  Speaker 3: Like it was just healthy competition. I think we found it.
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  Speaker 3: It was like our song making hitting a different level
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  Speaker 3: in 06.
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  Speaker 4: 06.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Cause on top of that too, like he said, we
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  Speaker 6: was kicking it. We had blue over here when he
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  Speaker 6: was doing below the heavens. Then we was messing with
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  Speaker 6: Mark Sparks about North Carolina and corrupt was over there. And, uh,
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  Speaker 6: All type of cats. We was over just getting tutelage
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  Speaker 6: up under Corrupt. He was helping us figure out stage
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  Speaker 6: presence and.
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  Speaker 3: How to do shows. Shout out to Speedy. Speedy, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Gotti Gotti, Speedy. Roscoe, Corrupt Brother, the whole YA.
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  Speaker 1: Roscoe's verse on I Call Shots is up there.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 6: We was around all that, so we had a good
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  Speaker 6: dose of the gangster.
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  Speaker 4: And the hip hop. We was in the middle of
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  Speaker 4: all that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you guys ever kind of think
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  Speaker 1: back to that era of, because I feel like whatever
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  Speaker 1: you want to call the blog era, and obviously some
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  Speaker 1: people debate when it started, I think it kind of
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  Speaker 1: probably ended in 2014, 15. I would say Chance was
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  Speaker 1: probably the last superstar to come out of the blog era.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Him and Joey, I would say.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I remember, yep.
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  Speaker 1: Because, man, music back then was so... It was interesting
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  Speaker 1: because now we have the algorithm... And everything's just readily available.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know how much of, like, what makes
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  Speaker 1: a Spotify playlist runs through curators' hands or what runs through.
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  Speaker 1: But back then, there were curators who ran these websites.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And I always say, like, as much as it was
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  Speaker 1: some gatekeeping shit, everyone had good taste.
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  Speaker 3: Like, Shake and.
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  Speaker 1: Mech from Two Dope Boys, I knew if they posted
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  Speaker 1: some shit.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: They had good taste. You know what I'm saying? For
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  Speaker 1: y'all coming out of that era and being very active
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of that, the peak of that shit,
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  Speaker 1: what was it like for people who don't understand that
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  Speaker 1: era of music and how different the industry was?
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  Speaker 7: Man, that's a good question. When we first came upon
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  Speaker 7: some of the blogs like Nah Right, 2 Dope Boys,
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  Speaker 7: just like you said, we were discovering music on there
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  Speaker 7: from artists that we probably never would have heard of.
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  Speaker 7: And we were like, wow, this is good. But then we, like,
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  Speaker 7: saw ourselves, like, how do we fit into this? And
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  Speaker 7: it was like, we didn't even really have a connection
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  Speaker 7: to any of these blogs, but we believed in our
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  Speaker 7: music enough to say, hey, you know what? We fit.
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  Speaker 1: We belong.
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  Speaker 7: And when we started dropping it, I don't know how
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  Speaker 7: the groundswell happened, but they picked right up on it,
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  Speaker 7: and they found us. And it was just, like, synchronicity there.
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  Speaker 7: So it all played a hand. Like, it was so
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  Speaker 7: many dope blogs that at that time was, like, sprouting
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  Speaker 7: up and and i don't know i i think it
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  Speaker 7: was divine because we did we really didn't plan it
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  Speaker 7: we didn't have a connection with any of the guys
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  Speaker 7: really they just found our music and you know that.
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  Speaker 1: Was it talk about your guys's early relationship with kendrick
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  Speaker 1: because obviously kendrick uh you guys have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: collaborations with kendrick um he was somebody who's who's you
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  Speaker 1: know had a presence on on y'all's projects what what
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  Speaker 1: because i feel like kendrick If you knew him back then, like,
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  Speaker 1: I remember I first interviewed him in, like, 2011. He
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  Speaker 1: freestyled on my show in Vegas in 2012. And it was, like,
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  Speaker 1: he was just the most... I mean, and he is
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  Speaker 1: an introvert, right? But, like, I feel like he had, like,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a mind that you were like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: if this guy could just figure it out. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was clear. Like, he was meant.
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  Speaker 5: Like, song presence is, like, a huge thing that he
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  Speaker 5: has in, um.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like when he.
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  Speaker 5: our first meeting him was when we, when he opened
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  Speaker 5: for us at the Roxy, right?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That was our first meeting him. We was just hearing
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  Speaker 5: his name. We was hearing about, it was section eight.
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  Speaker 7: Well, we, we had a relationship with J-Rock.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: J-Rock was super cool.
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  Speaker 1: He was the guy who started all the Top Dog shit.
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  Speaker 7: He was, yeah, he was, we would see him frequently. Even,
• 8:52
  Speaker 7: even schoolboy, we see, we would see them more frequently.
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  Speaker 7: But when we first met Dot, it was at the Roxy,
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  Speaker 7: came into our green room and introduced himself. We were like,
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  Speaker 7: we know that y'all need it, bro. We, we fuck
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  Speaker 7: with your music. And it was, it was just mutual.
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  Speaker 7: And then, um, got his email or number or something,
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  Speaker 7: and I remember sending him the Sing About Me beat
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  Speaker 7: when we were on tour with Mac Miller. And when
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  Speaker 7: I emailed him that, he hit me back, like, two
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  Speaker 7: hours later already writing to it, and he was like, oh,
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  Speaker 7: this is crazy, you know? And I wasn't thinking enough
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  Speaker 7: at the time that it would become, like.
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  Speaker 1: What it is.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's just like that album just took off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: But he's super humble, super cool, and, like, at that time, like,
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  Speaker 7: I'd say from 2012 to 2015, I don't know, before
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  Speaker 7: he maybe changed his numbers or whatever, he would be
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  Speaker 7: like the first person to text back if I ever
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  Speaker 7: hit him and needed anything. Oh, man, I got you, man.
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  Speaker 3: My love.
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  Speaker 7: Not only are you one of the illest producers, man,
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  Speaker 7: you guys are one of the best rappers. And we
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  Speaker 7: was just like, yo, man, mutual, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: It was love.
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  Speaker 5: Me and my wife ran into him and Whitney at like,
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  Speaker 5: it was early in the morning. We was on our trip.
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  Speaker 5: at the Jefferson Stairs.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was early in the morning.
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  Speaker 5: We used to try to get there early. And then
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  Speaker 5: Alana was like, that looks like Kendrick. I was like,
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  Speaker 5: that might be Kendrick. So we walking down the stairs.
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  Speaker 5: And then, like, we catch up to them because they
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  Speaker 5: walking kind of slow.
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  Speaker 3: We was walking. It was like, and I looked at him.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I knew that was you. He was like,
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  Speaker 3: I knew that was you. And then we shook up.
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  Speaker 3: And that was my first time getting this number.
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  Speaker 5: And then I think shortly after that, we went to
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  Speaker 5: that Samsung event that he did for Good Kid, Mad City.
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  Speaker 3: It was like the release. It was cool, man.
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  Speaker 4: And all the South by shit and all the promo runs. Yeah,
• 10:36
  Speaker 4: all the promo runs.
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  Speaker 3: He had it backstage at the Beats thing.
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  Speaker 1: Did Cross Trainers drop before or after Good Kid, Mad City?
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  Speaker 3: After.
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  Speaker 7: It was around that same time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 10:46
  Speaker 7: It was around the same time. And that was funny
• 10:49
  Speaker 7: how that happened because we had that joint and just
• 10:52
  Speaker 7: sent it over and he sent it back and We
• 10:56
  Speaker 7: never got the stems, so we just mixed it in
• 10:59
  Speaker 7: with the tube trackers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you never got stems?
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  Speaker 7: I never got stems to that.
• 11:02
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, I mean, yeah, especially at that time,
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  Speaker 4: To figure it out. It's more raw that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 7: It felt real. It felt authentic.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: Did you have, obviously, producing, obviously, the first half of
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: that record on good command city, did that result in like,
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: cause I feel like every once in a while you'll
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: see like, does that result in you getting a lot
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: more placements outside of packed in outside of your, your,
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  Speaker 1: your circle?
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  Speaker 7: It definitely helped for sure. Um, it was a thing where,
• 12:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, a lot of people still don't really even
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  Speaker 7: know for real. They'd be like, wow, you made that beat.
• 13:01
  Speaker 7: I'm like, yeah, no, I did for sure. Um, but
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  Speaker 7: I was able to get some placements even with Anderson
• 13:06
  Speaker 7: pack a couple of years after that. Um, A lot
• 13:10
  Speaker 7: of people will hit me and be like, yo, can
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  Speaker 7: we get a beat to sing about me? It's like, bro,
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  Speaker 7: that was that beat. I got other beats. They sound different.
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  Speaker 7: Every beat's not going to sound like sing about me.
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  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying? But people just love that song,
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  Speaker 7: and it impacted them so much. And I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. It's definitely one of those ones that like, oh, yeah. People,
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  Speaker 1: if they love that song, they love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's my favorite Kendrick song.
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  Speaker 7: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. That and Black of the Berry, those two.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Black of the Berry.
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  Speaker 7: His catalog is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, that's like a blog song, Black of
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  Speaker 1: the Berry.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So many of Kendrick's joints are like, joints?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah no like cartoons and cereal yeah that shit is
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: like really b-side bro there's like but but the b-sides
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  Speaker 5: are the best songs those are the ones that make
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  Speaker 5: your fan base.
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  Speaker 1: Dude i think back to like the kanye run when
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  Speaker 1: he was doing the first friday shit and i'm like
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: dog why can't we just get all those songs oh
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  Speaker 1: yeah on like the dsps together some of them ended
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  Speaker 1: up on my beautiful dark twist of fantasy there's so
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  Speaker 1: much shit that like It's just on YouTube.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Well, going back to the blog era, that was kind
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  Speaker 7: of the thing. Back in the day, people would release tapes.
• 14:19
  Speaker 7: They weren't. there wasn't really a Spotify and all that.
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  Speaker 3: And there was no clearance shit. It was no clearance shit.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, bro, it's a Z-share.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 14:27
  Speaker 7: So we're working on all that back catalog DSP shit
• 14:30
  Speaker 7: right now, too. Like, we got songs that aren't on,
• 14:33
  Speaker 7: you know, any of the platforms.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: Speaking of that, we fighting with Universal about something.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Don't forget the Swishers, not on DSPs.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 14:40
  Speaker 7: It finally is. Don't mention it. Is it?
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: It just went out.
• 14:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's finally out there.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, just went out. So Apple and Spotify? Yeah. I
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: don't know if it's on Apple.
• 14:47
  Speaker 7: It's on Apple.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: It's on Apple too, yeah. Oh yeah, I have it.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: For you guys, in terms of just getting the old
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: shit up, is it a fight with Universal or is
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: it a fight with we got to go back and
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: clear the shit?
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: Both.
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: But I think more so the clearance. Even for the tape,
• 15:02
  Speaker 7: we have a tape called Mania where there's original songs
• 15:06
  Speaker 7: baked into the tape, but there's also songs we're rapping
• 15:08
  Speaker 7: over like Lorde's on the Underground and shit. So it's like,
• 15:12
  Speaker 7: what do we do? We could just do some straight
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: hip hop shit and just put it up and be like, hey,
• 15:17
  Speaker 7: You never get flagged. Yeah, if it gets flagged, it
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: gets flagged. That's kind of like the approach we kind
• 15:21
  Speaker 7: of want to take. I mean, that's hip-hop. That's hip-hop,
• 15:24
  Speaker 7: you know? But we don't want to cheat our fans
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: and not have music available for them to hear. Because
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: that piff, I don't even know if they're even a
• 15:33
  Speaker 7: thing anymore.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: I don't even know. They're not up no more.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: No, but is it gone? Is the backlog gone? Oh,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: the archive? Yeah, the archive. That's what's important. I don't
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: give a fuck. They put new shit out there.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:46
  Speaker 7: And the Hip Hop DX is not there anymore. A
• 15:48
  Speaker 7: lot of the legacy blogs.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: They just deleted all the articles on BET. Oh, yeah.
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: I just seen that, too.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: BET.
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: Like, dude, we're losing recipes, man.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: And what's crazy is if you think about what's wild
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: about that is how AI is getting integrated in everyone's lives.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: They depend so much on using AI for research. And
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: if none of the source articles are there anymore.
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: They can just make up shit.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: It's off.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Shit's missing.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Damn. Robot's lying to you.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: Damn.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Robot?
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Man, I'd be... I'll be asking Chad Shibuti. I'll be like,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I know that ain't right.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: Trust me, Cav, it is.
• 16:24
  Speaker 7: It's turning into Skynet Terminator right now.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Yo, it's turning into... It's crazy. I feel like, not
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: to go on a weird tangent, I just feel like
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: we've been getting conditioned for the world we're in now
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: for our whole life. Just through Hollywood.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: They was doing that with us.
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: They got a contract with the CIA.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's why it's like when all the new
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: alien shit drops, no one's tripping.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Here we go. This is what I wanted. There's new
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: alien footage.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: There's no shot no more.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I've been watching alien movies my whole life.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Of course they're here. Exactly. Hell yeah. They're a monster.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: They don't give a fuck.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: They're $ 20 eggs. They like, shit, I'm getting there.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I love Jamie Foxx, but do you really think that's him?
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't know the old Jamie Foxx,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: so I couldn't speak to the new Jamie Foxx. But
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: he was off the map for a sec.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: He was, man.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: It was weird.
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: And the tattoo disappeared. It was like a humble.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, didn't he have the Mike Tyson tat?
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he had a tat on his back.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Which was a super interesting decision to be a superstar
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: and get that tattoo.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Um, if you guys, cause I think like, uh, the
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: blog area in general is like one thing, but who
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: would you guys put in terms of the West coast
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: blog era, like Mount Rushmore? If you guys obviously exclude yourselves.
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: Dom is there.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Nipsey. Um, yeah.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Nip was one of the ones. Kendrick.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Schoolboy. Uh, you and I. Human arms crazy. Who else? Overdose.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Overdose. I mean, shit, Odd Future. The early Odd Future shit.
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: Odd Future, yeah.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Even though they had the fuck 2 Dope Boys campaign going.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: They was beefing with 2 Dope Boys.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: It was Earl and Shaq. Earl versus Shaq. It was
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: the funniest. It was Earl versus JPEG.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Do you remember when they also beefed with like... There
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: was the Lupe vs. 2 Dope Boys beef, too.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I remember.
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: 2 Dope Boys had beef with Cass.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Bro, I was living in Vegas at the time. Yeah,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: we was making it in Shake right there.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I remember Shake was like, bro, Lupe's fucking... I guess
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: they met backstage. I think it might have been the
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Lasers tour.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: And, like, Shake was like, yo, he thinks I leaked
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: his album.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Like, he believes I leaked Lasers. Yeah, he believed it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, dog. Yeah, no, I think those are all...
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like what's crazy, too, about, like,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Outfuture is, like, Sometimes we forget, like, it's like ASAP Rocky.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I be forgetting how long Rocky's been a thing.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Like, Tyler's been, like, a real, real thing since, like,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: late 2011, 10?
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 10, 11.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: I remember going to their first show at the airliner
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: just because I saw.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: The, um, take my picture, baby. Take my picture. I
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: saw that video. You sent it to me. I was like,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: this is kind of hard.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: And then we went to the show. And seeing him,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: they were kids, basically. Like, little Taco, he was, like, little.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: And I think all of them were there.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I know we've been to Casey, though. We've been to, like,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Casey was around.
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: Casey Veggies, he's another person.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Casey's a West Coast blogger. Casey had a crazy run, man.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I remember him and Rocky Fresh, that joint project.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that was hard. They was going back and forth.
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: I give Wiz Khalifa honorary West Coast, just.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Because- I mean, he's been here, though. I mean- A lot.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: I think we were at his We did a show
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: at his very first show in Cali, or it was us, Problem,
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: and him in Ventura or somewhere. We did some shit.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: Shout out to Earl Johnson.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's when the Say Yeah song came out.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: The Say Yeah. He was on Warner.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Wiz, man. What is something, because you
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: guys were, I guess you could say, wrapped up in
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: label stuff, trying to get out Grown Kid Syndrome. What
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: happens to that music, and why?
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: That's funny. Somebody asked me on Twitter the other day.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Where is that music? What happens when you get to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: a point where you can't get around?
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: The first Church League, don't mention it, and Mania. Grown
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Kid Syndrome was sprinkled in all of them.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: So the songs that were supposed to make Grown Kid Syndrome,
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: and there were some songs that I would never see
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: the light of day.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Right. But a lot of it was sprinkled in those
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: three projects.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: And the div. And the div too. So people basically
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: got Grown Kids Central.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Just threw it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: It's broken up. I was just wondering.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Because I know sometimes major labels will be like, well,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: if you record it in our budget, we got to.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that. You can't take it with you. Exactly. Exactly.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: We just let enough time go by. I was hoping they'd.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Listen to me. I'm saying that that had to be like, because...
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Even getting signed back then. What year did you guys
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: sign with Universal?
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: 08.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, wait. So even getting signed in 08 is different
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: than getting signed in 2011. Oh, my God.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Big time.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: That's a whole new musical sound scale.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Spotify streaming was there. It was official in 2011.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Was it? I don't think it was yet.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, it was 2012. That's when... No, I'm saying.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: But the blog era exists. So now motherfuckers are getting
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: signed off of free projects.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, oh, in 2008... You guys performed... Was
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: it for Sylvia Roan?
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. You remember that? Mm-hmm. We, uh... We was.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: It was crazy because, um... The first dude to call
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: us was Ludacris and Shaka Zulu.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Remember? So DTP called? DTP. DTP called us. We had a...
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: We had dinner with them and Mr. Chow. Yeah, yeah. And, um...
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Jermaine Dupri.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Jermaine Dupri called us right after that. And then Sylvia, um...
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: Her assistant, um... This guy named Justin. He, um.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: He was just breaking the doors down, trying to get
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: her to bring us in.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Bring them in, bring them in. So we met with Sylvia.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: She said she wanted to sign us off the first interaction.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: And then Jimmy Iovine caught wind because his son went
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: to Arizona.
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but shout out to Terry and Earl, too. They
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: was really foundational in getting us in those rooms. And
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: they were the ones who plugged us with our videos
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: on MTV Jams.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, fire. Along with Merce.
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: I want to say shout out Merce because he actually...
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: silently funded uh yeah one of our videos and we
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: had no clue till later i was like man i
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: was like real foundational so he was mercy's right before
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: the blog era but we want to give a major
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: shout out to bruh because he was like super foundational
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: and a lot of shit on top of just.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Being and he turned that into like a major label
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: release like when he put out the merch for.
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: President yeah yeah yeah he did i forget.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Was that on warner i remember who but he got
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: one out like he got a My favorite. After coming
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: from Def Jux.
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: My favorite.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Him and Night Wonder.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: Him and Night Wonder tape.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: That's perfect. The two projects that him and Night did forever.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Untouched. Yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Was it 316?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Yes. Verse 316.
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: The black and white cover.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: That was insane.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Shit's classics. Shout out to Night, man.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: He's one of our big homies for sure. Him and
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Young Guru. Shout out to Young Guru and Night Wonder.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: They are big homies for sure.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: How do you guys... Because I feel like you guys
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: kind of always are associated with Cool Kids. Because you
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: guys were... At the time, there's not a lot of
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: groups out. At the time, you guys were like the groups,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you know? Talk about y'all's... And they were in L.A., obviously.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Over the years, how would you describe how you guys'
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: relationship has been? And I feel like you guys don't
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: get enough flowers collectively between the two of y'all.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Well, naturally....
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: It's just a cool thing. Even before the music, we
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: just fucked with them, too. We met their parents and
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: all that type of shit. Once you meet people's parents
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: and you spend legit time with them, you spend a night,
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: y'all do real shit together, it becomes a different type
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: of respect, for sure. Let alone the music was dope
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: and the shows we did, we did the tours and shit.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: Like everywhere across the country we've been together.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: We then got faded and got lost in houses and
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: shit together.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: In Arizona?
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like all type of shit.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Hey, that's why we went.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Was that when you guys were on.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: We did the 2K tour.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: We had a tour bus.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: This was our first time on the tour bus. Wait,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: was that.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I might have been at that tour.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: You might have been.
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: You talking about the tour with Q-Tip?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Q-Tip. Oh, yeah, I was there.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: By the way, that Q-Tip album is so underrated.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. There's people giving them those flowers today.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was at that show.
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. Did you go to the one in
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Vegas with Prince? No, no, no, no.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I lived in Phoenix.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: No, but yeah, I was at the Q-Tip show.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a great show.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you guys do the Cool Kids Tour too
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: or no?
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was the 2K tour was the first tour
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: we went on. Then we went on tour with Q-Tip.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: It wasn't the same tour?
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: It wasn't the same tour.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I just remember buying like, I want to say I
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: bought like a, was it a Famous Stars and Straps
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Cool Kids Collab Tea at the merch booth? It was
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: random as fuck.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I went to both of those. I went
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to both of those shows. If it was two separate things,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I went to both. Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: You got lost at a house in Arizona? Too poppin'.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Was it like a house party?
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like, you.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: Know, then the college chicks started coming up.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, because right there, I mean, you guys were performing
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: at 10 p.m. at ASU right there.
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: And then our homie was going to school at Arizona
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: State there, so he was like, yo, we got this
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: little after party thing. We get there. It was a
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: bunch of women, and we was just like not prepared.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: We're just going to go where they take us.
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: And we end up going back to this place. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: don't know.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: It was an apartment complex. I don't know where it was.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: That's funny. The apartment complex should have been a red flag.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Wait, wait, where were we at?
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: An apartment complex.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: It was like, Arizona State is a place where you
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: get like jello shots.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yes, 100%.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Shotgun beers and all that.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: And herpes. Exactly.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: They get your herpes and jello shots.
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: That sounds crazy.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Nigga wake up with pink eye. Exactly. Nah, because this
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: shit wasn't like this.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: So Rich, he had to find us.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: So I don't know how he found us. That time
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Rich found a like in New York.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: It was the wildest thing ever, man.
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: You know, we were in our early 20s at the time.
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: So everything, we're traveling the world, or the country, rapping.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: We were feeling like baby rap stars. So we're in
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: different parts. And this is when Hennessy was just like
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: water to us.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think everyone had a Hennessy era.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like even if you aren't a Hennessy person,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: you might've had a Henny like summer.
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: I almost put it on the writer for the show
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: Saturday just off GP. But I was like, I started thinking,
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: I was like.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: We can't handle it. Like we used to.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So, so the new project, uh, by the time this
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: is out, it'll be out, but talk about, uh, cause
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: it's your first album in how long?
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: Eight years.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Eight years.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: And, yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: That's a minute.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah. And for us to still, like, still have
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: it is just, like, a testament to just, like, our
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: ability musically, sonically. Like, we really take this music serious.
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: We've been rapping since we were, like, five, four years old. And,
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying? It's just like second nature.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Actively, how long was music for this album being worked on?
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Man, we have a song in there that's from... When
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: did we do... 2017.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: 2017.
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: We have a song in there. And it's timeless because
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: nobody will know the song because it's just... We don't
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: make music where it's like a dated thing.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So it just feels.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: So it feels right.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Why do you feel like the timing is right to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, let's stop fucking around. Let's put this
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: music out.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I think it's like... It's divine. Like you said earlier because....
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: It is the 20th anniversary since the blend, uh, silver freshness,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: the blend tape and naming it still seal volume one
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: is just an old to the, the 20 year, you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: gap between our first mixtape and now. And, um, I
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: felt like it was just time.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Like we were, you know what I mean? Like we
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: were making good songs.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: Like we, I remember like, wow, I go to his
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: spot to record a lot. And, and I think it
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: was like when we did all gas, uh, was the
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: moment I was like, oh yeah, we have a tape.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: We have an album. And it wasn't even all the
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: way done, but it was just like, oh yeah, we
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: got it. Because the way it just felt coming out,
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: it was just, yeah. So I think it was a
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: natural thing, a natural progression.
• 28:39
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• 30:31
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to the podcast. You know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I think about this festival that's coming, well, this show
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: on Saturday, the Control at the Elite Festival, which is
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: like an homage to like an era of music. Like,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: cool kids just dropped. I know you guys did the L.A.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: show with them. I feel like, you know, I think
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: like y'all's era is finally kind of getting like some appreciation.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: In the same way, like, bro, it's kind of weird. Like,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: there's like teenage kids that are, like, my son is,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a child, and he loves MF Doom, and.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: I don't understand that, bro.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I got to understand what's going on. I'm like, bro,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: you like MF Doom?
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Somebody was telling me, he told me a couple things,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: and we was having a conversation, me and Jitta. He said,
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: he was like, man, the kids who were the SoundCloud era,
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: remember when they popped out all the Lil Uzi's, the
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: Cardi's and stuff?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: If you're not one of them, you copied one of them.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: And now you're burnt out. You're burnt out. You got
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: the face tattoos. You probably OD'd a few times.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: So, so life and your music is stale because of that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: So he said, but the blog era, they didn't do that.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: None of us did that. None of us got, you
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: know what I mean? None of us, we was all
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: like really, it was real music.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: And, um, And everybody was hella cool for sure.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Like, for the most part.
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying?
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Like, we hung out.
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: There was no egos.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Like, Freddie Gibbs. Like, how much we used to kick
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: it with Freddie Gibbs.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Gibbs. He's my favorite gay rapper. I'm sorry.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: He posted me on his story. He posted yesterday on
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: his story that I like to suck dick.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Freddie.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: You guys have a great relationship. Yeah.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: We've all seen his asshole on Twitter. Shout out to Freddie.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I love that guy.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: But another thing he said was like, yeah, people complaining
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: about there's no number ones in hip hop.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: You know, the Billboard number one.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's a problem.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: That's a great thing.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: That's how it was low-key. If you think back then,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: it was like Drake was just starting. Drake is a
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: blogger artist.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, for sure, to the max.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So it's like you really had Lil Wayne back then.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: If you're thinking like, oh, wait, was Carter III, like Jay-Z?
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: I feel like Lil Wayne and Kanye were the cutoff
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: between the old guard and the blogger.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: And Soulja Boy was one of them. He was part
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: of the old guard, too.
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: Shout-outs to your son for having wonderful taste in liking Doom.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Like yeah no but just it's weird because like my
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: son is a kid and he'd be like yo dad
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you like mf doom and i'm.
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: Like how does he know about that.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah like how the fuck did you find out like
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: i just interviewed czar face uh esoteric and 7l that's
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: dope and we were talking like tom hardy there no
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: frankie pulitzer didn't pull up but uh i was just
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: telling him i was like dude like it's something about
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the imagery of MF Doom that has like resonated with
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the kids.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And I think that they have like their own version
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of that going in their own world with the Tsar
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: face thing where it's like, it's the music is incredible,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: but it's all the most like underground, like the branding.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Like Mad Villain is like one of the greatest albums ever,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: but it's like also like, If you know, you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: niche album to love.
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: But that's how we felt, though, when we saw Lu-Pack.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Lu-Pack. Child to Matter, Killer Army, Wu-Tang.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: Larger than the artist.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: It was like the aesthetic of it.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: The artwork was like hand-drawn type stuff.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: It's like comic book shit.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: The same way kids are like comic book shit, like
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: old comic book shit.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: And hopefully people look at us that way. That's what
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: we want to be like.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Other tours that you guys were on that I attended
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: was the Blue Slide Tour.
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, shout out Mac Miller.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Mac. That was... Shit, man. I don't
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: even know what year that was.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: 2011.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that night he came on my show and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: we got fucked up because the radio station in Vegas
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I worked at was connected to a daiquiri bar. The
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: owner of the radio station also owned a daiquiri bar
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: across the street from Mandalay Bay. Oh my God. So
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: if you watch on YouTube... It's like me and Mac
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Miller with these giant, just ignorant Vegas drinks.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Big ass handle on it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I love those.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And that night, you guys did House of Blues in Vegas.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: And that was the first time I ever saw him
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: play guitar.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. That was amazing, man.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I forget what song he covered.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: He did Sweet Home Alabama, one of them shows. He
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: was playing it behind his head. I was like, oh,
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: this is why.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And it's crazy, too, because Blue Slide Park is my
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: least favorite Mac Miller project. But it's just crazy to
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: think at that moment, he was the hottest thing smoking.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Blue Slide Park, I forget the numbers it did. it
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: did good for an indie album as an independent album
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: it did like it was like number one at the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: time it was like set a record it was like
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: in the mix for like the most indie first week
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: hip hop album.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Ever he had beef with Donald Trump over that.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Album was Donald Trump on Blue Side Park yeah.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: I think it was it might have been or.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: What was the Frick Park Market Frick Park Market that
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: was the single but nonetheless you guys are around Mack
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you guys were able to collaborate with him um also
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: a guy who whose music has aged very gracefully and
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: who has just kind of moved past his life with
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: this cult following where all of the kids are like
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: shit when mac was lit they was like six and
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: now like mac miller has become and he was always
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: this super musical guy and And, you know, the one
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: thing I loved about Mac is, like, when he dropped kids, like,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: you knew, like, oh, this fool's a hip-hop head. He
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: was doing, like, Static Selecta and, like, fucking bigging up
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Big L and shit.
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: Or Finesse.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: But what was, from your guys' perspective, what was it
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: like working with Mac, being with Mac, and what was
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: that tour like?
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: I mean, even before the tour, the crazy part was
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: when our first show was in Pittsburgh.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I think I got the story. I think I got
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the sticker.
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, I see it right there.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: It was probably like maybe a year and a half
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: before that.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: That's the sticker right there.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: He was like 17.
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: And he snuck backstage of one of our Pittsburgh shows
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: and introduced himself to my brother D.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Young, Allstate.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: And then he made his way backstage into the green
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: rooms like this.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Yo.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: I love y'all shit, blah, blah, blah. Nobody even knew
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: who Mack was like that. Just people in Pittsburgh.
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: Right, right, right, right, right.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: He snuck into the green room and introduced himself. Smoked
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: with us everything. He's like, oh, you guys got weed
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: back here?
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: He was like, amazing.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: We were just.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Blowing in the green room.
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: And then he showed us the video he had over
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: the Lord Finesse video. And it only had like 17,000
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: plays at the time. And he only had like maybe
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: 20,000 Twitter followers. And so like, we was like right
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: at the beginning.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: But he was like a huge fan and he was like,
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: just show love yeah show.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Love I feel like too with him man like if
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: you knew him you knew he was just like the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: nicest fucking he was cool as hell bro he was
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: so no matter what he was going through because obviously
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: he had his battles with you know whatever he had
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: his battles with but he was always you've never seen
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: it yeah he was just cool as fuck man yeah
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and one of the best performers he turned into one
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: of the best performers yeah because I saw him do
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: that tour where he was headlining with it was him
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Chance opened oh wow Action opened. Joey?
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Was it in stadiums?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: No, no. It was like in Phoenix City Celebrity Theater,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: but he had the band going.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, this motherfucker.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He was an alien, bro. Definitely an alien.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Definitely so musically inclined.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: I was just watching him do a cover of a
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Stevie Wonder song, playing it and singing it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I was like, God damn, where'd they find this? He
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: was just killing it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Old soul, another old soul for sure.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Any crazy stories from the tour? Any thing that sticks
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: out touring.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: With Matt Miller?
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: We was in a spot with a plate of wings
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: that was probably as big as this table.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in Tampa. He was like, we didn't know he
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: was going to be there. Did we know? Or he
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: told us to meet him there.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we weren't sure.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: He was like, we were just, okay, we were going
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: to be there. But we put some shrooms. in the joint.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Wait, you guys were smoking trumes?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Trumes.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: We was just like, we were bored. You know, you're
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: on tour, you're like, after the show, you're just like, man,
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: what are we going to do?
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: A little bit.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: It wasn't crazy.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: No, but still, I know you can eat that.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: But it was like the greatest high ever.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: It was like, you felt like, we all felt.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Like the confidence levels were just through the roof.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: It was to where you could still gauge the shit.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: It wasn't just like a whole bunch. It was finely
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: chopped up and mixed with the treats. So that shit
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: was like, we.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Went, we went, we saw him.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: It was like a, we had to look behind the
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: plate of wings. It was like a mountain of wings.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: So Max was sitting there with a mountain of wings.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: You guys are shroomed the fuck out.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Probably another handle, a gallon of Hennessy with the big
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: ass wings. Oh, you guys cross-faded, yeah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Cross-faded. That was a great experience, man.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: We had Thanksgiving and shit together on that tour, too.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: I think Anwar and Casey both went with us.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Where do you have Thanksgiving at on the tour? Is
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: it at a hotel?
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: It was at a hotel, yeah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Was we in Detroit?
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Damn, you remember.
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: Because I made the Kendrick beat that night.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: So you made the Kendrick beat on tour with Mac
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Miller in South Carolina on Thanksgiving.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Yep. Crazy.
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: I'll never forget it. because Nolan was with us. And
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: one of my locks, my locks were small at the time,
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: but one of them was standing up like an antenna.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: And he caught.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: A picture of that. Yeah. But yeah, I remember that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: You was getting the download.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was download mail.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: That's fucking diabolical. That's awesome. Shout out to Mac. Shout
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: out to Quentin and the whole team.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Crew man that was the tour also we found out
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: about Rocky A $.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: AP Rocky that was.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: The soundtrack of the whole like driving through America was
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: listening to live love that's the first one the first long.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Live A $ AP I.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Always confuse the album and the tape cause the names
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: are similar me too I think it was long.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Live A $ AP.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: You think the tape though the tape yeah the tape
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: was crazy and then one train on the album was. Yeah, yeah.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: One Train's such a good snapshot of, like.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: The blog era. The blog era. It's like... Everything goes
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: back to the blog era.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: No, but I think that song, if I ever tell anybody,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: they'll be like, yo, man, just go listen to One Train.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Danny Brown's on there.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Kendrick's on there.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Bronson's on there.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Yellow Wolf's on there.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: What was the joint with Schoolboy?
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Was, uh.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Hands on the Wheel?
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, no, no. The other one, no, no. Brand
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: New Guy. Brand New Guy. That shit, man. That was
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: the song of that tour.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Shout out Schoolboy.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: What a time.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: Man, shout out Mike Lace, because he was bumping that
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: shit with his two, the homie Mike Lace from Grand Hustle.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: So are you guys, because I feel like there's some
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: energy behind Pac Div again, are you guys going to
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: continue to work on, like obviously this album's going to
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: come out.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's a volume two.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, the volume one might
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: be a, you know. Yeah, there's another one coming.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, volume two is already. In the can,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: pretty much.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: But we work it on the tape with the cool
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: kids as well. We got a super group called Starting Five.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I like that.
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: So we're going to drop a couple volumes and then
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: get to work on that.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Do the vinyl thing?
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely do vinyl. And we're just like in our
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: second prime again. You know what I'm saying? It's like
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: the unks are up.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: You feel me?
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: The unks are up.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Unks are up.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I think you guys described it the right way. It's
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: like there's a certain level of... how good the music
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: has aged from that era for the most part here's
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: some stuff.
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: You're like yeah for sure what album i just listened
• 42:28
  Speaker 8: to that i did not think aged the greatest that
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: i love i love the cool by lupe fiasco but
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: i listened to.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: It recently is one that cool half of it didn't
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: age as well as i remembered yeah but half of
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: it's still like i mean the cool is my favorite
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: lupe album Oh.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I like it over food and liquor.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: Well, and also.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it over food and liquor.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Tetsuo and Youth is good. I mean, he's got some
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: later shit, like the Samurai shit is crazy. Lupe's an alien.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Atlantic.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Fuck. Fucking....
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: These labels, bruh.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: These fucking labels. Dude, I think back to some of
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the casualties of record labels back then. Pill.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, shout out to... That's the homie.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Pill. P-I-L-L. Don't mention it.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: P-I-L-L.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: XV?
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: XV was crazy. He had that Zero Heroes project.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Charles Hamilton. Charles fucking Hamilton.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Charles Hamilton was one of my favorites, but I'm not
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: going to lie, it got really hard for me to
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: keep up with Charles Hamilton when he got into the J.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Taylor beef. When he got beat up by a girl.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: It just got to the point where he had so
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: much music out where I was like, fuck. A lot
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: of it wasn't good. But that tape he had with
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Green Lantern was crazy. With the supersonic on the front.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: That dude was talented. He was low-key my people's champ.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: He was kind of like, at that time, I'm like,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: you know I'm fucking Charles Hamilton. Then it got to
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the point where I'm like, damn, this motherfucker's over here
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: saying J. Dilla gave him these beats after J. Dilla died.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: He was beating Royce.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: And I was just like, oh.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: But he's a legend man he had he.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Had a run yeah he did i'm.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Trying to think who else from that time just like
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: damn like what it was close it was there it
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: was so many guys dude asher roth for real.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: Is like yeah he's coming i was dming him he
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: said he'll be there but i think about like the tapes.
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: He put out because i think a lot of tapes
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: i think.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: The only album he actually dropped was the Maybe I'm tripping.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I might be ignorant.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: The college up?
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Sleeping the bread out. But then he had like Paps
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and Jazz.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Paps and Jazz.
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: He did one with Green Lantern.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: All the mixtapes. Yeah, he had a lot of tapes.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's another one of them dudes who was
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: like right at the beginning. I think he's on the first...
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Was he on the first freshman cover? Second.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Second one. It was a weird time.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: I would just say it was a weird time because
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: there was no other option but sign with a label then.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: It was just like because in the.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: Indie grind wasn't, like, nobody was funding themselves out there.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Like, Wiz Damner was a casualty to the major label
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: shit because they put out that Say Yeah record and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: then they dropped him and then he just was like, bet.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Here's Star Power.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Nipsey too.
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: Nipsey Jop. Nipsey too. Yeah, Nipsey. J-Rock.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Nah, it's crazy because, like, back then it was like,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: you really had to have the intestinal furniture to try
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: to get, to be so sure of yourself that even if,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like that's what Nipsey and those guys did.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Even if you got dropped or you got shelved, motherfuckers
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: still figured it out.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he came back around.
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: Because he was fucking with Johnny Shipe. Shout out to
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: Johnny Shipe. Yeah, that was popping in too.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: There was a bruh's name from Tampa who was hard.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I forget his name, bro. He used to work with
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: the Justice League.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Fuck.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: He was a blog. He had one album or one
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: tape I fucked with. Big Crit too.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Shout out Crit.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Crit was that fucking guy.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Tampa.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: There was a one, bro, I didn't know he was
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: from Tampa until I moved to Tampa. And they're like,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: you know this guy? I was like, yeah, that dude's
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: from the blog era. Fuck, what was his name? I forget.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: But it was such a great, great time, man. So
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: the Control Alt Delete show is going to be dope
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: because it's y'all, cool kids, Big Sean, Dom, you and
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I's on it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Overdose.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Overdose, Miguel.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Casey. Casey. Shout out Biggaveli, Max Vee.
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: Is he still doing it?
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: I think he might have dropped out.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: They took him off? Yeah, he might have dropped out. Ah, shit.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: That checks out. He probably had too much Hennessy.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Every interview he does, he looks like he is having
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: the time of his life.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: And he scaled it back a little bit. He used
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: to be more wild than that.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, when he first got out, I was like, ooh,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: he's in rare form. By the way, as he should be,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: just got out to a whole lot of, him and
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: French been on a run.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: Nah, I used to blast.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Man, B. Young used to have all of the Max
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: B tapes. We was burning CDs and shit.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Him and Stack Bundles, man. Stack Bundles. Stack was crazy.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: All right, so the album is out, still sealed, volume one.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Still sealed, volume two. Not too far away?
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: Not too far away. We don't got too much info
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: on it yet, but just know it's another volume.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: How far in are you guys into the Starting Five
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: project with the Cool Kids?
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: About four or five.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like it shouldn't even be super long either.
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: We can knock that out in a week. Yeah, we
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: can knock that out in a week. Definitely going to
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: do at least 10.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: There it is, man. I appreciate y'all pulling up. Go
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: support the project. It's out now. I'm assuming you guys
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: got tour shit coming.
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Pac Div, thanks for finally pulling up.
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: Appreciate you, man.
• 47:46
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• 47:46
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• 48:05
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• 48:08
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