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Gary Bloom | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #47 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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  podcast. Today's guest is a man by the
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  name of Gary Bloom. He's a science fiction, author,
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  and mobile games, developer, welcome to the show.
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  Gary, how you doing? Thank you.
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  I'm doing all right, man, I'm doing.
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  All right, let's go. I'm glad to have you here.
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  I'm obviously very excited to talk about science fiction in
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  general because I'm a massive nerd.
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  So, you know, he already saw in the background while we were
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  speaking before hands that you've got.
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  Like a Superman posted their. Yeah yeah I've got that's a
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  Superman. Push termite in loves got me
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  that's printed on wood and it's surrounded by that soup from a
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  number one from the 80s and that's Superman Man of Steel.
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  Number one from the 90s. Is that like the like the
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  original? Yeah let me see.
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  If I can give you a close-up. Not the original from back like
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  the first one. But here I'll give you a quick
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  tour of the office. Wow, I'm a steel from the 90s,
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  and there is my Mi 80s number one, right?
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  And then there's the Funko collection with one of my
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  buddies. Maybe this, you can see
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  Nightwing comic books that are actually printed on the back.
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  There's the Lego stash and then there's my Nightwing cut out.
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  That I got as a birthday gift off of etsy.
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  So awesome. Yeah, I'm uh, I'm a pretty nerdy
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  guy in quite proud of it. I hid that money here that you
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  would nerdy before it was cool to be nut.
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  Now, everyone's a nut. That's what, you know.
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  It's funny. You say that my best friend and
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  I talked about the fact that it's like like we were nerds and
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  Geeks before beginning, the theory came out before it was
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  like cool to be you know like we would go worry nine years old, I
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  don't know what our parents were thinking, we were nine years old
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  and we would we would ride our bikes are like 45 miles across
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  town to downtown. To go to this place to Comic
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  fault and get our comic book. And yeah, I mean, we played Star
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  Wars, the role-playing game, the first generation of it.
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  And you know, we were huge Star Wars nuts.
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  He had literally every original Star Wars toy except for, I
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  think two figures in one vehicle and and then he had a massive
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  like just vehicle fight with them a couple years ago.
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  So I'm just like, just obliterated half of his
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  collection for the fun of it. Yeah, it's funny.
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  Like I was the same growing up. I was a complete nerd but like,
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  I don't know. No.
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  I always kind of saw it as a strange thing because with like
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  most comic books and just science fiction in general, like
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  if you're a boy I mean it doesn't have to necessarily be a
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  boy thing. You know I was whatever right
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  but like generally speaking if you're growing up and you're
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  reading like Superman or you're watching the Star Wars movies or
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  whatever, like it's badass, like how is a kid could you not enjoy
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  that? Even if you're a guy that's
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  like, I don't know into sports or Thing like it's two people
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  destroying each other. Yeah.
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  Cool about that. That's right, right.
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  You know, I have I've people who don't get it sometimes because I
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  mean I am a huge, huge basketball nerd.
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  Cool. Yeah.
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  I'm like I'm an NBA fan. I'm a college fan and I love all
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  not just watching it, but all the background aspects to it.
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  And yet, you know, like I'm a lacrosse season ticket owner and
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  I can, I can quote lines from Star Wars movies.
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  And I've seen science fiction movies that other people go.
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  What's that who I've never heard of that.
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  And that's, I mean, listen my six-year-old.
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  She, I just finally let her see for the first time local station
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  or I know you're in the UK US station TNT.
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  I guess is doing a Marathon today.
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  So she caught the last 10 15 minutes of Clone Wars and we
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  started watching Revenge of the Sith and she's going, this is
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  really cool and she's asking me questions and it's funny because
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  you know, I've Against for so long.
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  She's only known that there were three movies and yet we've got
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  lightning that entire all those Legos.
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  In that case over there that I just showed you those are all
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  Star Wars Legos and she and I put them together and she's like
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  she has her own little Yoda impression should go Yoda.
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  Yes. And that's just like she loves
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  Yoda. She knows if somebody asks her,
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  what's Daddy's? Because she loves Disney.
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  Princesses. What's Daddy's favorite Disney?
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  Princess Princess Leia? You know, But he was sitting
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  here. Like she's asking me these
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  different questions about Revenge of the Sith and I'm
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  explaining I'm like, yeah, like maybe maybe I can't believe in
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  you see these words out loud but maybe this is kind of cool, you
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  know, it's like I've had my bias against the prequels for years
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  and now it's like here's the Next Generation.
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  I mean, she knows that when Daddy finishes with with the
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  podcast interview, we're going to the comic book shop because
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  it's Saturday and we go to the comic book shop on Saturdays and
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  it's just, you know, I mean that's, you know, the guy, the
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  guy at the shop loves her. And it's like he pulls stuff for
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  her if he sees stuff that he thinks will be cool.
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  He's like here, you know, this one.
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  I'm going to give this to you for half price.
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  Let me know if she likes it. And yeah, it's just it's,
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  there's just something about that nerdiness that it's like,
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  it's so ingrained in US. Hmm.
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  That it just makes me happy. And yet, like I said, Saturday's
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  are meant for the comic book shop and then Sunday, she has
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  her lacrosse lesson and I want her to understand like it is
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  okay to be well-rounded like we are my family.
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  It's music and science fiction and sports and all three work
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  well together. You know, I mean, my wife is my
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  wife's a chef and she used to make cake pops and she actually
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  made me little Thai fighters. One year, like Thai fighters on
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  a stick. For, for me, the fourth just
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  because she's like, hey, you know, I didn't want to get to
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  think I left you out. It's Star Wars day here, and it
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  was really cool. It's like little Thai, fighters
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  and death stars like this is awesome.
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  Best wife ever? Seriously, when Pacific Rim came
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  out, we were on vacation, I was taking her on vacation for her.
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  Birthday was, you know, before my daughter was born and I took
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  her out. We did like this big.
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  You know, we did a barbecue vacation in Charlotte, North
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  Carolina, and Pacific Rim came out.
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  So, she took me, she's like surprise.
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  And then she goes, she goes, do you trust me?
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  It's like, yeah, I trust you. I she goes, I plugged a, an
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  address into the GPS. I want you to let me drive and
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  she took me to a comic book shop.
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  Like we just, you know, I mean, we've been to you, we've been to
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  local comic-con's and she actually wants to do New York
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  Comic Con, hopefully in the next year or two, because we think
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  the small fries old enough. You know, I've taken her to some
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  local ones and stuff like that. Yeah, so yeah, absolutely best
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  wife ever. And she's just, she's embraced
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  the hell out of all this. So I am.
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  I'm so lucky. I mean, she doesn't care about
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  the fact that like, I walk around, and I got my Megatron
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  t-shirt, you know, for those who get it.
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  So it's Mega, but he's doing the A cool if you want.
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  I'll send you the link to where I got it.
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  Yeah. Well, why not?
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  Why not? No.
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  I am V man. I would love to meet a girl like
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  that or just you know in general I've been single a long time but
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  like to meet someone that would be into like all of those
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  things. Like I see this online.
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  I see girls online that. I like that.
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  But like you never meet people like that in real life.
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  Like I don't know, I don't mean like most girls, I me, it's like
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  they're just not into that stuff, you know.
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  Yeah, you know what I mean? It's I definitely, I'm
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  definitely lucky. You know, but it's just it's
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  kind of cool because it's become the dynamic, in our, in our
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  family. It's like, you know, between and
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  and we're hoping that my daughter one day gets into.
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  I mean, she's six. So she's she's still, you know,
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  chicken nuggets, ham roll, ups, and french fries.
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  But you know, we're hoping that one day.
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  She Embraces food the way we do and there's four pillars in the
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  house, you know? But really it's I mean
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  everything is, you know, we watch football on.
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  Days in the running joke is always been because my wife is
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  more hardcore than I am. She's my daughter has learned
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  about football growing up sitting next to me.
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  She's learned about cursing sitting next to her mother is
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  like that. Daddy.
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  Why is Mommy angry at the Giants?
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  It's a long story kid. Oh yeah.
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  That's that's really those like heartwarming to hear.
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  It's cool that. Yeah, I mean I think that's I
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  think you hit the nail on the head.
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  Those good to be all around. And they did and just sort of
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  think. So I think that's a put the
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  problem that many parents have is they, you know, don't always,
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  they want to keep their kids away from certain things but
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  it's like if you're introducing them to what you're into, it's
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  like it's like me. Like I was born in the early 90s
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  but all the music, I remember listening to like it was all my
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  mom's record collection, you know, just all sorts of stuff.
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  But I remember what I would deem as like my childhood was like,
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  70's 80's 90's music, mostly Jerr 960 like stuff, like the
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  smear. So like yeah, we division or
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  something like that and it's like technically that was before
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  my time but it's like what I remember listening to Growing
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  Up. Yeah.
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  And you always have a Nostalgia for that regardless of whether
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  or not that becomes what you're into.
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  You always remember what your parents introduced you to this
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  good. Well, so that's, she's lucky
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  because I mean my, so my father's guitarist, I'm a
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  guitarist. My brother's a drummer, my dad
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  raised us all. Jean on The Who and Eric
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  Clapton, and the stones and, you know, and we did he let us pick
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  up our other stuff later and so my wife is even more
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  well-rounded than I am. So it's funny because my my
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  daughter will pick up, you know, and my wife's very into 80
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  stuff, you know, she's a nice kid amenities kid, but it's like
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  my daughter, there's dance music.
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  Now that she loves you know, she loves The Descendants movies, I
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  have watched it and I'll be honest, that's part of What I
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  try to embrace is I have seen the Disney three descendants
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  movies. Probably at least a hundred
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  times each and I can quote stuff from, and I know who the
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  character, I like, I've learned who they are, so she can talk to
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  me about that because I don't want it to be, just me pushing
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  on the her and there's music from that that she just loves
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  and those are, you know, those are her songs but then you know
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  like my wife is introduced her to 80s and 90s hip-hop and rap
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  and then, you know, but I used to sing her Beatles songs when
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  she was a baby and like she'll I'll pick up the guitar and she
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  will sing eight days a week with me.
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  And No. And she like there's a couple
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  Tom Petty's song, she likes and ZZ Top songs that she likes.
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  And you know. And like she she she can pick
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  out George Michael. She knows George Michaels voice.
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  Yeah, and she's six. So you know that's we very much
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  believe in that, it's that, you know we want to we want to
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  introduce you to the stuff that we love.
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  But we also want you to find the stuff that you love as well
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  because the more that you know and the more that you embrace,
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  the more you know she's that kid that meet somebody on.
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  The playground and that's her new best friend, and she won't
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  see them on the playground for five months when we go back and
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  it's also, hey, it's Audrey, you know.
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  And it's she, you know, and she wants to and I love that that
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  we're, you know, and my parents were very much like that you
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  know, that it's hears music that we like here shows that we like
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  your things that we like, but find your own thing, you know,
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  my my parents are very, very big mystery readers and but they
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  never cared what I read as long as I was reading as long as I,
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  Developed an enjoyment for reading.
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  So, I mean I was in and when my dad saw that I got into science
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  fiction. I mean he's the one who bought
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  me my copy of, what's it? Oh God, I just drew a blank
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  Heinlein stranger from another world.
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  Right. The one would greatest sci-fi
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  books of all time and he bought me.
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  He saw I was getting into comic books and he actually got me
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  this book. He went to his parents house and
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  got this this hardcover book that he grew up with.
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  With that had like the original Human Torch and the original
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  Green Lantern and origin of Shazam.
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  And Jay Garrick the original Flash and he's like, yeah, you
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  should, you should know this stuff too.
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  And it's just, it's some of the coolest stuff ever.
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  And that's why I like, I love that, she discovers things she
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  finds things, but then, it allows me to show her stuff of,
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  oh, this is what, you know, I have a, I've got a combiner on
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  my, my little stand over there. That's who Computron and such.
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  What is this? I want to play with this.
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  And so, you know, I'm getting your a transformer for Hanukkah
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  and I'm getting my nephew a transformer for Hanukkah.
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  But she also wanted to see and I showed her the original show a
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  little bit. This is really cool.
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  Can we watch more of this? And she like, we saw My Little
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  Pony, the movie, which is this whole Patton, Oswald the
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  comedian Patton Oswalt actually does a little bit of a routine
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  on just the mythology of it? He talks about how it's like
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  he's got his Star Wars and he knows.
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  Mythology and he can't get into another mythology except that he
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  starts talking about him like oh my god.
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  I've actually learned all of this stuff to you know and so
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  it's fun but you know that's why it's like the fact that she's
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  reading now and starting to learn this stuff and she's got
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  like a book called. I am a princess, it's about
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  Princess Leia and you know, whoa.
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  He's yeah, like she had no idea the Disney was doing stuff like
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  that, you know what I mean? Like, it's so the the license a
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  lot of stuff to Little Golden Books and, you know, and so
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  she's got the entire Original and prequel trilogy is as a
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  Little Golden Books. And then she's got someone off
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  books and it's, I mean. And what's funny to me is that
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  she's very creative. Now, she likes to write, she
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  tries to write her own stories. She tried to do her own artwork
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  for a father who had his own comic book company for a year
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  and a half. That's kind of pleasing and you
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  know, but I love it because she hears this stuff and we read her
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  this stuff. You know what I mean?
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  Like to me growing up reading Michael a stackpole Bowl.
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  And then when heir to the Empire came out and I mean, I am a huge
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  Timothy Zahn. Not and you know like all these
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  different folks, I read Hyperion growing up and anybody who
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  hasn't read, it's not as famous. But if you haven't read
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  Hyperion, there's this for bookstand Simmons.
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  Oh my God, you have to read it. I grew up reading dragonlance
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  and you know, you know, weisen Hickman and the Seven Gates
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  cycle and it's like all of this stuff.
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  Just entertainment for me. It just contributed to the
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  things that I end up creating because it made me think, oh,
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  you know, they did this but they never really explored that
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  concept or what if this happened instead?
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  And now I hear my daughter doing like the well Daddy, what if
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  this instead I'm like, oh yeah, let's go down.
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  Let's let's talk about that. Like let's spend the next 10
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  minutes talking about that, that's really cool.
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  So it's kind of nice to see the Next Generation doing is
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  speaking of the Next Generation. Obviously, you mentioned within
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  that that, you know, You've you grew up on the original Star
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  Wars movies. So did I I mean, I suppose
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  technically prequel trilogy was like my trilogy but like you
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  know every kid you grow up on the original trilogy that area.
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  I was like somewhere between seven or eight I think when when
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  Phantom Menace came out. Was that 90-95?
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  No there and that. So I was born in 93, Phantom
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  Menace, came out in. 2009. I think it's 1999.
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  Okay. Yeah.
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  Just it's not I remember watching because this is his, my
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  memories. You mean 19th and 99?
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  You got it. I remember my dad when I was six
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  or seven like I saw the trilogy, the original trilogy, when I was
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  like six or something and I loved it and there's a couple of
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  I've never actually spoken about this ever.
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  I might as well just say this. Yes.
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  It has some memories of when I was a kid Star Wars, right?
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  So my dad bought me like this massive Millennium Falcon.
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  It was huge. It was probably the best gift I
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  ever got as a kid growing up. I just hours of entertainment.
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  Just yeah, all I had all of the I think I still might have some
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  of those original figures now because there was the one the
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  re-releases came out in the 90s. I think they went crazy with the
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  merchandise and that's when they had all the original stuff.
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  Sure, being pumped and Kind of makes sense because then Phantom
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  Menace came out. So then you've got all this new
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  stuff, blah blah. But I'd seen them before hand
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  and I remember as well, there was because I grew up in London.
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  So there was a, there was, okay. So this is place in London
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  called Barbican, which has like, I guess like art galleries and
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  stuff like that. Like, my mom took me to a lot of
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  art galleries when I was a kid, and that's cool.
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  You know, love that stuff. And but one time they did a
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  Adulation exhibition like a one-time limited only thing of
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  Star Wars and season. It was incredible.
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  Basically, as I understand, it was all of the original costumes
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  used in the original trilogy in, like, all these glass boxes and
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  stuff and all the props and everything.
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  And I remember seeing Boba Fett, I remember that very clearly and
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  I will never forget this the room where they put Darth Vader,
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  they deliberately made it dark. They put in In his like his own
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  chamber. Yeah and they lit it with like
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  red lighting and stuff and they put they pumped in the sound of
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  the it's amazing. So I walked in and I'm just
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  staring at like this, like 8-foot figure.
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  And I was just genuinely scared, I knew it wasn't real buzzer.
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  Wow, they really did a good job of making.
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  You feel like the terror that you would feel if you were
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  standing there and dominators, the ya know, really was.
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  And I think from the Nation of that.
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  And playing with the figures and the movies themselves, or I
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  became a fan off of that. So then obviously, when the new
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  Trilogy came out, I was ready for it.
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  I think, as I became a teenager, I started to critique them a
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  little bit because I remember attack of the Clones coming out.
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  I was about 10 or 11. Okay ish but was when Revenge of
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  the Sith came out that we all started sitting there going
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  like, hmm what do we think of this?
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  How does it compare? And like, - I saw it in the
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  cinema. I thought it was epic.
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  I still think it's epic. Yeah, it's flawed.
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  But of the prequel trilogy I think it's arguably the best.
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  I think it very much kind of salvaged the like, saved it in
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  many ways. But yeah, I think that the
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  prequels get a lot of hate. But and this kind of leads me to
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  the question. I wanted to ask, you sure, it's
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  not just about the sequels, it's War.
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  Do you kind of think about modern Star Wars now?
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  Because obviously you grew up with the original trilogy?
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  Yeah. You saw the prequels you sort of
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  said there that you know, you want as fond of them.
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  Yep. But like there seems to be a lot
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  of people angry with with the sequel's right now and I've
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  spoken to with other guests on the cost about this.
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  You know, I've mentioned things at the Mandalorian and my
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  thoughts on that and Rebels Clone Wars as you mentioned
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  before. Yep.
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  So like, what do you think in general of how Knee is kind of
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  handling Star Wars right now. So I'd say first of all, I don't
• 19:37
  have, I don't really have tons of issues with the way that the
• 19:43
  Disney's handling Star Wars. My my viewing of the Mandalorian
• 19:48
  has been a little bit slower because my wife decided that she
• 19:52
  wanted to watch it Kulik. Whe When, when season one came
• 19:56
  out just like, we should watch this like yes, we should.
• 20:01
  So, you know, And, you know, I mean, like, here we are.
• 20:05
  I'm, I'm working a full-time job and I've got a Kickstarter for,
• 20:10
  for this game and, and I write the Sci-Fi series and my wife
• 20:13
  starting her own business. And so, you know, we're it's not
• 20:17
  sort of a, we're on a regular schedule of the yet, so we're
• 20:20
  few episodes behind, but we still maintain.
• 20:22
  Its one of the best things out there.
• 20:25
  I mean, we're huge Jon Favreau fans.
• 20:27
  I think people don't realize as much as The Marvel hero movies
• 20:33
  are just a given. Now I don't think people realize
• 20:36
  just how much they owe to Jon Favreau.
• 20:39
  Mm starting all of this like everybody says oh well you know
• 20:43
  it's RVD is who's like yes yes he was a central figure here but
• 20:49
  50 is that guy who did the first movie and and I think it's just
• 20:53
  like that that high level of quality that Iron Man was when
• 20:57
  it first came out it's just kind of left forward and the way that
• 21:01
  he thinks about Things and respecting the humor of you know
• 21:06
  the thing that I think it was very big in the original
• 21:09
  trilogy. That was a lacking a little in
• 21:11
  the prequels that I felt came back in the new Trilogy was the
• 21:16
  humor right? That it's, it can't.
• 21:19
  All be all serious all the time. It's one as a DC fan.
• 21:23
  I am, I am heartbroken by this decision for so many You have
• 21:31
  the movies to be, you know, everything's Batman.
• 21:35
  Now, even if it's a different thing, everything's Batman.
• 21:38
  So, like when and I mean, I say this believing that Wonder Woman
• 21:42
  should have won awards. It was one of the most amazingly
• 21:45
  written and beautifully done movies.
• 21:48
  But like, when Aquaman came out and had humor in it and when
• 21:54
  she's a came out humor, and if you look at, you know, the the
• 21:57
  trailers from 1984, when one of them trying to 1984, it clearly
• 22:01
  has More humor in it and and I believe that that's something
• 22:06
  that like it can't be all dark all the time, you know.
• 22:09
  Yeah, just the like the comedic in exchanges with with the
• 22:14
  droids are I think are absolutely key so I felt like
• 22:19
  there was more of that in the new ones that there wasn't that,
• 22:21
  you know, So she's gonna see, I will let her watch Attack of the
• 22:25
  Clones from beginning and I'm gonna let her watch Revenge of
• 22:28
  the Sith. There's a, there's an older that
• 22:30
  a, that my best friend found out about years ago.
• 22:33
  Before the Big Bang Theory ever brought up.
• 22:35
  Where, what you basically do is, what do you watch?
• 22:38
  You watch, you watch the original Star Wars.
• 22:41
  Sorry. A New Hope which I never heard
• 22:43
  it called A New Hope until the 90s.
• 22:46
  So it's Star Wars. So you watch Star Wars and
• 22:48
  Empire, then you watch Attack of the Clones.
• 22:51
  And Which call it and Revenge of the Sith as a flashback, and
• 22:59
  then you finish up with Return of the Jedi.
• 23:01
  So you just watch the five and you skip.
• 23:04
  I mean is if you can do them all in a row, right?
• 23:06
  Which I did. But so you skip Phantom Menace
• 23:09
  because I found that. So Jar Jar Binks to me is one of
• 23:14
  the one of the the worst Parts. I know that a lot of people say
• 23:17
  that and but Darth jar jar. Yes touch our.
• 23:21
  And I've seen me Conspiracy theory that jar jar is actually
• 23:25
  a Sith a such a very convenient to, you know, it's very it's
• 23:29
  very well written. It is very but I felt that he
• 23:34
  was so forced in the type of humor.
• 23:37
  He was trying to do. I felt that actually felt he was
• 23:40
  borderline racist in certain areas.
• 23:43
  Oh yeah. Look, if you think about it and
• 23:45
  it's just and it like and and the way that they wrote that
• 23:49
  poor little kid who we've taken to referring to as little or
• 23:52
  Orphan Annie that, like, he just it was, he was so whiny and he
• 23:59
  was I just, it would do you think it away though?
• 24:02
  But that's kind of done on purpose because it sort of
• 24:06
  challenge this, a little less you remember in, in the original
• 24:09
  Star Wars like how whiny Luke was in the beginning.
• 24:12
  Yeah, he was a little whiny baby.
• 24:14
  It was like, I gotta get some power converters.
• 24:22
  See, this is definitely his that.
• 24:24
  And here's the thing I'm gonna say this and and and I realize
• 24:28
  someone who's hoping to get people to fund his Kickstarter.
• 24:32
  This is a very dangerous statement for enemy to make but
• 24:35
  I'm gonna make it anyway because I believe this and and again
• 24:38
  because I'm old and apparently old people like gen xers are
• 24:42
  supposed to be complaining about things because that's what we
• 24:44
  do. I guess now, so the original
• 24:49
  Star Wars Trilogy has holes. Yes, plot holes, it has it has
• 24:55
  it has mistakes within the edling and stuff like that and
• 24:59
  then when they went back and they redid it you know the whole
• 25:01
  Han shot first movement. I mean that's my like one of my
• 25:05
  good buddies has been been just like championing that forever.
• 25:08
  I read the entire old, you know you the all the books and and
• 25:15
  there was almost invariably a Han shot first joke in every
• 25:19
  single book that was written. So so, you know, it but There
• 25:23
  are holes, there definitely are holes and and I don't apologize
• 25:28
  about that. I just, I just try to enjoy it
• 25:31
  for what it is. And I felt like, with the
• 25:34
  trilogy, with the first one, it felt to forced a lot of the
• 25:39
  stuff that was going on, was just too forced.
• 25:41
  It's like, you're trying to pack too much stuff in there, and
• 25:44
  then I felt that it became less of a problem in two and three.
• 25:47
  And it got to the point where in Revenge of the Sith, you know,
• 25:50
  we've talked about the fact that And again, I'm a little older
• 25:53
  than you. So when we saw it in the
• 25:54
  theater, I mean, I think bows, I probably like 20 21, 22 years
• 25:57
  old. And so we talked about when he
• 26:00
  goes and spoiler alert for anybody out there who hasn't
• 26:03
  seen Revenge of the Sith. But when he goes and he
• 26:06
  Slaughters the sandpeople, my best friend sitting next to me,
• 26:09
  he goes, yes. I've been waiting for him to do
• 26:11
  something like that. Like, it was so much of it was
• 26:15
  about him being sad and he kept waiting for the conversion from
• 26:18
  sad to angry. And and so that was something
• 26:22
  that Is very, very interesting and and so I don't I don't hate
• 26:27
  the prequels as much as I enjoyed that.
• 26:30
  Here's another risky one I enjoyed the three new movies I
• 26:34
  really did. I thought where they're where
• 26:36
  they're a couple of crazy things?
• 26:38
  Look I there's no one he's going to be okay with the milk scene.
• 26:41
  They're just not just, you know, it does.
• 26:44
  I think that's going back for one second.
• 26:46
  My only real complaint with like, yeah, you know, first to
• 26:50
  they, some stuff could have been done with that, right?
• 26:52
  But I feel like the bigger issue is like because I feel that they
• 26:57
  did they really did a good job with the turn of Anakin right.
• 27:01
  But I feel like that bit where it goes from you know he's a
• 27:05
  conflicted Jedi to child murdering Sith Lord.
• 27:09
  I felt like it's that was too much of a leap if you're not.
• 27:13
  I mean like I felt like that like which I know that they've
• 27:15
  kind of done with clone wars and stuff like that they filled in
• 27:18
  the gaps but I feel like they should have just done another
• 27:20
  movie had it as like I know that.
• 27:22
  Unprecedented. But like how I know you can't
• 27:24
  have a quartet. It's got to be a Trilogy.
• 27:26
  Yeah, I know but they should have done that because I feel
• 27:29
  like I remember watching the attack of the Clones and
• 27:31
  thinking like I would have liked to have seen like more of the
• 27:34
  actual battles. Like gives you that interesting
• 27:39
  slope as opposed to the flipped the switch.
• 27:42
  And I agree with you. That was that was one of the
• 27:44
  things that our our biggest issue with him.
• 27:48
  I get I get the angsty teenager thing.
• 27:51
  Yeah. No, again, like, when these
• 27:53
  things came out, I wasn't that far removed from my teenage
• 27:56
  years as it was so like, I could, I understood the whole
• 28:03
  angsty teenager thing. I just like, I thought about
• 28:07
  other movies, where you have that teenager who goes from
• 28:12
  angsty to sliding down the slope of doing some bad stuff and then
• 28:16
  some heinous stuff, right? And he makes that leap a little
• 28:20
  bit too quickly, duh. Like I kept waiting for him,
• 28:24
  like if you had seen him lash out at little things here and
• 28:27
  there, not the yd lash out, but the lash out and the like
• 28:31
  Anakin, you can't do that. And that's that's what I thought
• 28:34
  that I really, really enjoyed Clone Wars.
• 28:39
  Anybody know what's interesting is, I saw the movie in the
• 28:41
  theater, I took some little if it took like my little cousin or
• 28:43
  something, I saw the movie in the theater was like, oh I don't
• 28:46
  know about this, like this is this kind of and then the show
• 28:49
  was so much better than movie. So, if you've seen the movie,
• 28:51
  you didn't want to show watch The show.
• 28:53
  It feels a lot of gaps. I am not.
• 28:56
  I know, I already know that Ahsoka tannin is coming into a
• 29:01
  Mandalorian. We haven't gotten to that
• 29:03
  episode. Yet, my wife goes, so goes,
• 29:05
  like, just watch. Like, this is gonna be really,
• 29:08
  really cool. And I'm apologizing ahead of
• 29:10
  time. I'm gonna geek out because you
• 29:11
  didn't watch the Clone Wars. But but yeah, like, I, that was,
• 29:16
  that was some the stuff like, the leaps that were made are,
• 29:20
  are a bit frustrating to me, and I do feel like in the new
• 29:24
  Trilogy they connected things a little bit more smoothly, you
• 29:29
  know. I do I do wonder if because I
• 29:32
  thought the first and third movie were pretty well done.
• 29:37
  And I mean it's JJ you know, like I expect good things from
• 29:40
  JJ, the stuff in the middle was a little bit weird because like
• 29:45
  you know my biggest issue and we've talked about, you know, my
• 29:48
  my friends I have talked about this and this goes back to like
• 29:51
  something that happened. To my character in the
• 29:53
  role-playing game years ago. And it's like he just the whole
• 29:57
  jumping to light speed through. Another ship is just like if
• 30:01
  that were, if that were a thing, then you don't need the whole
• 30:03
  trench scene with the Death Star.
• 30:05
  You just jump to hyperspace through the Death Star and it's
• 30:08
  got like it's a non-issue and that stuff, what happened all
• 30:11
  the time. So that seemed a bit odd, the
• 30:14
  slow speeds chasing a bit odd. Like there were a lot of
• 30:17
  elements of that film that seemed out of place, but You
• 30:23
  know, again, I I don't think it was a terrible movie.
• 30:27
  I did not love Carrie Fisher's, Mary Poppins.
• 30:30
  Seen, you know, where she's out. And then she will come on, she's
• 30:35
  in the blue dress, she strikes the pose, and she's flying and,
• 30:40
  and that would admit, that was weird.
• 30:42
  I kinda was odd that I started at the same time of it because
• 30:46
  that's like the first time we see, like, ever use the force
• 30:48
  and it's exactly. But like, really Yeah.
• 30:53
  It was very, very strange but then I like, I read stuff and I
• 30:57
  can try not to read too much stuff on my because people are
• 31:00
  you can't just make up Force Powers.
• 31:01
  Dude, did you read the old easy? You cuz like they made up new
• 31:04
  Force Powers all the time and I think I just crumpled life's
• 31:08
  just complain all the time. Yeah - well that's why I joked
• 31:11
  about my generation, you know, like a lot of a lot of gen xers
• 31:14
  just want to like it's like it's the lamentation of of it's not
• 31:20
  mine anymore and you're trying to do it for Yells.
• 31:23
  And, like, the Remake systems, like that of all these different
• 31:26
  things that are coming out. I feel like a lot of it is
• 31:28
  driven by my generation. And you know, by my buddy said
• 31:33
  something really, really interesting.
• 31:36
  You know, after the last of the, the new Trilogy came out he said
• 31:39
  he's like, look, you know what? I think that we need to come to
• 31:41
  terms with the fact that Star Wars isn't being made for us
• 31:45
  anymore. We're not the Target
• 31:46
  demographic. They want to, they want to make
• 31:49
  us happy. But, you know, like It's really
• 31:53
  being aimed at today's teenagers and 20 and 30-somethings you
• 31:57
  know like hey guys where he said.
• 31:59
  He's like like we're basically like we're in our 40s now.
• 32:01
  You know I just I just turned 43 what like a week ago or so.
• 32:05
  I got some grits thank you and and it's like it's not really
• 32:11
  it's not directly at me anymore. And and I'm okay with that
• 32:15
  because I enjoy, you know, there was something that that I
• 32:19
  remember before JJ's first one came out, there are a lot of
• 32:22
  People who are complaining of you better not diverge Too Much
• 32:26
  from the original movies. You got to make it a lot like
• 32:28
  the original movies, you better not knock move away from the
• 32:30
  original movies and then it comes out everybody's going.
• 32:32
  Oh, you just ripping off the original movie.
• 32:34
  Some like, you just spent six months complaining, that it
• 32:38
  wasn't going to be like the original movies.
• 32:40
  Yeah. And then when it came out, kind
• 32:42
  of like like a no Maj to the original movies.
• 32:45
  Yeah. You got angry.
• 32:46
  And it's the same movie. It's literally just Star Wars
• 32:49
  2.0. Like yeah.
• 32:50
  And it's, you know what, here's the A funny thing.
• 32:53
  I really like the original Star Wars movie is when people would.
• 32:56
  How could you like that? It's exactly like the first one
• 32:58
  is like, did you not like the first one?
• 33:00
  Well, I love the first ones. Like, how do you not like this
• 33:03
  one? Yeah, I agree.
• 33:05
  Like I think everyone says, oh Sheikh was a bad.
• 33:07
  I think there are Parts within it.
• 33:09
  That can be argued and debated this the same as the prequels
• 33:12
  and it's like that first one. I mean, I don't know.
• 33:16
  Like I remember afterwards thinking.
• 33:18
  Yeah, I'm excited for this. This looks like it's going in
• 33:21
  the right direction. I Like we've lost Jedi, they
• 33:23
  kind of lost that momentum, but it was more because of things
• 33:29
  like, you know, was it snoke was killed in that one, wasn't he
• 33:33
  still? Yeah, snoke was was what was the
• 33:34
  second one? Yep.
• 33:35
  Yeah. I felt like that was a bigger
• 33:37
  mistake because everyone complains about all this
• 33:39
  character Arc and that character Arc and it's like I didn't
• 33:42
  understand the return to Palpatine.
• 33:45
  That was kind of cool. But as like I kind of figured
• 33:48
  based on what you were saying before about, if you're
• 33:50
  introducing this to a new generation, In you want to have
• 33:53
  like Easter eggs for the old generation, But ultimately
• 33:55
  establish something new. Why are not getting like more
• 33:58
  about Finn? And you know, I mean it was
• 34:01
  like, hey what has the force? But That's all folks, you know,
• 34:07
  it was a very, very I found that unusual that, you know, like I
• 34:11
  loved I loved the fact that there was a lot of the just the
• 34:16
  cameos like the the lentil Cameo was called and I was happy that
• 34:21
  he was in it to the Three, he was, but they didn't force him
• 34:24
  down your throat, right? I think that Carrie Fisher there
• 34:29
  was enough but not too much. I felt that Mark Hamill and I
• 34:34
  mean, I'm, I'm a Mark Hamill not.
• 34:37
  I've been cool. Actually posted some, some old
• 34:40
  interviews of his on Twitter recently cuz they're just cool
• 34:43
  and he does create her support impression and you know, but I I
• 34:48
  was happy to see him the amount that I saw him.
• 34:50
  Yeah, you know, and I I didn't want it to be inundated with all
• 34:54
  the old folks, and like, seeing three seconds of wedge.
• 34:59
  Antilles was awesome, right? Hey, that's wedge.
• 35:01
  And then we're back to doing something else, right?
• 35:03
  So like it's just, it's the little things that that I think
• 35:08
  are good and it's, I didn't, you know what?
• 35:11
  I wanted. More of the Knights of Ren.
• 35:13
  Yeah, you know, that's a pretty good question.
• 35:16
  Yeah. Like what, why did we not learn
• 35:18
  more about that? That was like, it was like, hey,
• 35:20
  he's part of this order and that's it.
• 35:23
  Yeah, and it was they thought it was really interesting to me.
• 35:26
  I'm kind of hoping, no know if you read any of the Star Wars
• 35:27
  comics. I'm sort of hoping they'll do a
• 35:30
  Knights of Ren if not a series and at least a miniseries, isn't
• 35:33
  it? Yeah.
• 35:33
  Um, you know, or cartoon show or something because it lends
• 35:37
  itself now. What's interesting to me though
• 35:39
  very much so is the fact that they're saying this is the end
• 35:43
  of the Skywalker, like epic. Oh, yeah.
• 35:47
  And that's, that's it. I mean, supposedly, like Daisy
• 35:50
  Ridley and John boyega have already said I'd like we're
• 35:53
  good. We're done.
• 35:54
  Like we, you know, we're ready to move on to other things.
• 35:57
  Okay, fine. Have at it, you know?
• 35:59
  But I also remember when JK Rowling said, well, that's it.
• 36:03
  I'm done with Harry Potter. We're done with that.
• 36:05
  And am I my buddy going? Yeah, till you know, you can't
• 36:09
  get a brainstorm on something else and you need some more
• 36:10
  money and then you'll go back and, oh, look, she went back.
• 36:13
  So you know, I don't think this is the last that we're seeing of
• 36:17
  the stuff from that. I feel like Knights of Ren could
• 36:20
  be an interesting movie Stand. By itself.
• 36:23
  Yeah. And a great thing I had read
• 36:26
  God, I came in thinking how many years ago now was about the
• 36:31
  juxtaposition of the Star Wars series?
• 36:34
  Because, you know, now with Disney, it's a series versus the
• 36:38
  Marvel series. They talked about the fact that
• 36:42
  the Standalone movies from Marvel before you'd have your
• 36:45
  Avengers team ups, they always move the story forward.
• 36:49
  And the problem with what Star Wars was Doing is you had Rogue
• 36:54
  one? A Star Wars tail.
• 36:55
  It's in the past. Solo a Star Wars tail.
• 36:58
  It's in the past. And I don't remember if, if
• 37:02
  Obi-Wan's going to be a movie or a series or not because it was
• 37:06
  considered case if you be serious, okay?
• 37:08
  So, but again, it's like it's more in the past and and I'm
• 37:12
  fine with doing that, but it's like if you had, if you did your
• 37:18
  your Force awakens And then in between you did something like,
• 37:26
  hey, we're going to do a movie on the Knights of Ren and, you
• 37:30
  know, maybe we're going to do it movie on phasma, right?
• 37:35
  And, and something interesting around like the Stormtrooper
• 37:39
  Academy and all that stuff, and then you go and you have your
• 37:41
  second movie. And then you do something else
• 37:44
  in between like, seeing re trying to do her training or,
• 37:50
  you know, like you could have done, I No, this is I don't
• 37:52
  understand why she's a hater character but I know she's had a
• 37:55
  character. You could have done something
• 37:56
  with rose Tico. You could have done something
• 37:58
  with cognac again, I don't get that.
• 38:00
  This is where I disagree. I think that you make, you know,
• 38:03
  with your criticisms of the sea, cause it's like fair and
• 38:06
  balanced than logical whereas, most hatred that I see online,
• 38:11
  like, I don't agree with Eva is like just targeting people like
• 38:13
  all this character sucks so much, like, I don't get that
• 38:17
  like the only character who is ever sucked.
• 38:19
  So much. Is Jar Jar, Binks?
• 38:22
  Like every other character has interesting aspects.
• 38:25
  I mean, listen, I will say that for whatever reason, I've never
• 38:29
  been a Laura Dern fan. I'm just not a fan of the
• 38:32
  actress in a lot of things that she's been in.
• 38:36
  I anticipate your hate letters, I'm sorry, but I didn't have too
• 38:41
  much of an issue with the character.
• 38:42
  I thought the character was interesting and and so I don't
• 38:46
  feel there are moments of, you know, of every character where
• 38:51
  it's like, The, the, the Mary Poppins moment for for Leia.
• 38:56
  I'm never going to be able to imagine that as anything else.
• 38:59
  Well, that's, that's just that's how I just can't.
• 39:01
  I can't see it any other way. But again, like you even said
• 39:04
  Luke being kind of whiny in the beginning of the first movie and
• 39:10
  like, there are moments for characters, but there are no
• 39:12
  characters. I truly hate Ben solo was whiny
• 39:16
  as all hell for a while. Yeah.
• 39:19
  And it's just, it's just a family of Whiny people.
• 39:22
  Yes, which is why do when G people?
• 39:26
  The other thing is, like, the Mary Sue comment that I hear all
• 39:29
  the time where I just first of all, I never fully understand
• 39:34
  the whole concept of Mary Sue. I don't know exactly where the
• 39:39
  insult comes from and all that stuff.
• 39:40
  But you know, just this idea that Ray can do too many things.
• 39:44
  She's too perfect on that stuff. Um, we as a society and and I'm
• 39:50
  basically saying, you know, like her, Earth we're all Superman
• 39:53
  fans who's a bigger Mary Sue. You know, by that definition and
• 39:57
  Superman, you know, and that though.
• 40:00
  Okay, at least with Superman you've got like a backstory, a
• 40:05
  fully designed backstory and it's like, yeah, he's got this
• 40:11
  unlimited power but you know, it's a tale of a man, you know,
• 40:15
  trying to be a good human being really, you know, its core And
• 40:22
  then also obviously, you know, adjusting to his, to his Legacy
• 40:31
  Legacy, like, okay, heritage heritage, right away, will
• 40:34
  challenge you right back. How is re not the story of
• 40:37
  someone just trying to figure out who she is, her parents
• 40:40
  abandoned her. She doesn't know why, she
• 40:42
  doesn't know who she is. And, and yes, there are a lot of
• 40:46
  happenstance for how these people wind up, where they wind
• 40:49
  up, but that happened to Luke. Luke the thing, the thing, the
• 40:54
  issue I think most people seem to have right because I agree,
• 40:57
  right? But Okay, if you take, Luke has
• 41:02
  an example, where Luke, as we know it wasn't a fully-fledged
• 41:06
  Jedi by the time he was battling Darth Vader.
• 41:10
  Like Obi-Wan confirm that Yoda confirm that he was, you know,
• 41:14
  strong, very strong with the force, but not ready, right?
• 41:17
  And it was just a message of well, you know, you just have to
• 41:20
  go for it and life even if you're not ready, right?
• 41:22
  Yep. Anakin was a fully-fledged.
• 41:25
  Jedi master, very powerful. He's the chosen one.
• 41:28
  There's that right with Ray. As we now know it's because of
• 41:33
  Palpatine, guess it flows through the veins, something
• 41:37
  like that, you know? But the trouble with that is
• 41:42
  like she goes from has no idea absolutely no idea whatsoever to
• 41:49
  she's a fully-fledged like, you know, the most powerful Jedi of
• 41:53
  all time. That's what they're trying to
• 41:54
  say. And I think that's more.
• 41:56
  What kind of annoys people is like, you know, that's why you
• 41:59
  need that standard. On remove be in the middle to
• 42:02
  advance the story. Absolutely.
• 42:04
  Yeah, that's what it is. That's where they.
• 42:06
  That's why I think that they dropped the ball that I do.
• 42:10
  Not think these were bad movies. No me neither.
• 42:13
  Um, and and something that I think a lot of people will
• 42:17
  realize is that there's there will be generational arguments
• 42:21
  because everybody is going to see different different movies
• 42:25
  through the lens of their childhood, mmm-hmm.
• 42:28
  So, and I think that that, you know, and again it's my buddy
• 42:33
  says it's not me directly for people of my generation anymore.
• 42:36
  Those in their 40s and 50s, you know, it's kind of Gomez, you
• 42:39
  know, and I do not buy into the whole concept of you're not a
• 42:44
  real fan. If not know if you like
• 42:46
  something you're a fan, like there's not, you know, you know,
• 42:50
  you know, as good as I used to tell my brother.
• 42:52
  I was like, okay, I get you're rooting for this team, it
• 42:55
  doesn't matter that you can't, you know, you can't name anybody
• 42:58
  on the roster. That's your team, fine.
• 43:01
  You know, it's just this mentality of, everyone's got the
• 43:07
  lens of what's beloved to them and they'll The Overlook that
• 43:11
  goes with people, right? You know, I mean I'm I'm certain
• 43:15
  that my wife overlooks certain aspects of my personality that
• 43:19
  other women who I dated had no interest in overlooking because
• 43:23
  she truly loves me, you know, and and the same goes for really
• 43:28
  anything and you can Baby. I mean, that's so that's the
• 43:32
  beautiful part, I think of Science Fiction.
• 43:36
  You know, you can debate and you can borrow from and you can see,
• 43:39
  look, I mean, I'm a big doing the fan.
• 43:41
  Anybody who's right? Antares ascended has probably
• 43:43
  quickly figured out. Oh, yeah.
• 43:45
  This guy likes doing, and, you know, there are people on the
• 43:49
  Dune boards that I like, who complain all the time about how
• 43:53
  badly George Lucas ripped off. Dune for Star Wars.
• 43:57
  And, you know, there's there's all that there's always going to
• 44:00
  be The arguments, there's always gonna be the debates, you know,
• 44:03
  I think it's just a matter of when you get to the anger
• 44:05
  levels, when you get like the fact that Kelly Marie Tran
• 44:10
  dropped off of social media because of death threats and
• 44:13
  like anger to this. Let it's like I just, it's there
• 44:18
  has to be like, you have to let it go to some point and you have
• 44:21
  to be willing to say, okay, I didn't like that.
• 44:24
  I've never understood that watch well about about about humans.
• 44:28
  How Whenever you don't like a character you you think it's
• 44:34
  real and Janet unlike you attack the actor.
• 44:38
  Like yeah. The stupidity is that it's not
• 44:41
  real. It's fiction and like more to
• 44:43
  the point that person has not decided to do that.
• 44:47
  They just given a script and told to play.
• 44:49
  Yeah, I mean it's not that for cute if you look at some of the
• 44:52
  old interviews and articles and stuff like that and and maybe
• 44:56
  this is a mind blower for some of your fans who are watching
• 45:00
  here. But Alec Guinness.
• 45:02
  Yeah, hated hated Star Wars hated.
• 45:06
  He thought it was stupid. He thought the script was
• 45:09
  ridiculously, thought the dialogue was ridiculous, he
• 45:12
  thought his costume was ridiculous.
• 45:14
  The stupid concept of the laser sword, you know, and all that.
• 45:17
  Like he hated it, he thought it was the stupidest thing ever.
• 45:21
  But it was a paycheck and this is like one of the most
• 45:23
  decorated actors ever. You know, most people only know
• 45:27
  him from Star Wars and he was a really big deal.
• 45:31
  But but it's just that, right? It's, it's we start to Forget,
• 45:36
  You Know, Liam Neeson had made a comment that he would never be
• 45:40
  caught dead in. You know, going to a Star Wars
• 45:43
  convention, or something to that effect and that like he was not
• 45:46
  a Star Wars fan, he doesn't want to interact with ants.
• 45:49
  Meanwhile, Ewan McGregor when they saw, when he saw that, they
• 45:54
  did the re-release of Jedi where Anakin was now the force ghosts
• 45:59
  at the end of Jedi was East with hidden Christensen and Ewan
• 46:03
  McGregor. So you don't edit me out.
• 46:05
  I love Star Wars. I want to be Obi-Wan forever,
• 46:08
  don't edit me out and it's like, it's remarkable that people
• 46:12
  don't realize, like there is like, you've got a divorce the,
• 46:16
  the actors from the characters. And you have to remember that,
• 46:21
  this is just someone. That's why fanfiction exists.
• 46:25
  If you didn't like that, go write your own alternate ending.
• 46:28
  Go do your own interesting thing.
• 46:30
  And and enjoy it and and like, have fun with it instead of
• 46:34
  being angry about it. Because I mean, we talked my
• 46:36
  daughter all the time, if she's playing a game on her iPad, you
• 46:39
  know, or she's watching a show that that's not.
• 46:41
  It's like, dude if it's if it's upsetting, you then start like,
• 46:45
  it's entertaining and supposed to make you happy, if it's not
• 46:48
  making you, happy, go do something else.
• 46:50
  Go, watch something else, go read something else.
• 46:52
  And, and that's like, that's something where, and I've been
• 46:56
  very, very lucky, right? I have I've got a couple of
• 46:59
  like, real hardcore fans. This event are he's ascended.
• 47:02
  Who I've got one guy, who is been tweeting and retweeting, my
• 47:06
  Kickstarter more often than I have.
• 47:08
  I mean, I'm really lucky he even went so far as he, so he's an
• 47:14
  aspiring writer, as well. I let him write a like, a little
• 47:18
  special three-part Series in the, in the universe that I sent
• 47:21
  out all, you know, it's all the readers.
• 47:23
  And one of the kickstarter rewards is an e-book, and he
• 47:27
  asked me, it's like, can you know, can I Can that be included
• 47:31
  in it? You know like because I'm
• 47:34
  scared. Yeah, I would include it.
• 47:35
  I will give you the writing creditors.
• 47:36
  Like I'll even let you write your own like forward to it
• 47:39
  before. It comes in if you want.
• 47:40
  I'll put it at the end of the book and because it's going to
• 47:43
  be a collection of probably two years worth of material and
• 47:48
  because you, like, the series is on patreon right now.
• 47:50
  But I'm gonna do a collection of two years worth of material, and
• 47:53
  I was like, absolutely, like this is cool that I've got
• 47:56
  people who read it, who will? I like look there - parts of it.
• 48:00
  Be human being who wrote this and I'm running it based on
• 48:03
  ideas that I had in a lot of it comes out of, hey, I'm a Star
• 48:07
  Wars fan. I'm a BattleTech fan, I'm a dune
• 48:10
  fan, you know, and all these other things that I've read,
• 48:13
  There are elements that come in, where it's like, oh, I didn't
• 48:16
  like how they did that here. So I'm kind of writing it
• 48:19
  differently. You know what?
• 48:20
  Somebody's going to read that and they're going to go oh well,
• 48:23
  you know, when this thing they did that instead and that was so
• 48:26
  much better where I thought, oh, I didn't like that particular
• 48:28
  thing and that's why I'm doing it differently.
• 48:30
  Yeah, and it's and it's fine. Like it's okay to have these
• 48:34
  differing opinions. As long as you don't go
• 48:37
  ballistic on people. It's like it's just art.
• 48:40
  Its art and art is subjective. Yes.
• 48:43
  Oh and supposed to be enjoyable? Yes, I couldn't agree more.
• 48:49
  I'm on the right podcast or man. Oh my God.
• 48:52
  Oh my God. Yeah, no.
• 48:53
  I I feel that way, about many things, I mean, I'm into all
• 48:56
  sorts, you know, music, art, science, fiction, you name it,
• 49:00
  like sometimes. I get comments like hate
• 49:01
  comments on my music. I'll look at like what the
• 49:04
  person is saying and a lot of the time it'll be like a comment
• 49:08
  that's not even worth kind of yeah really taken seriously
• 49:12
  purely because it's like well this is subjective, you know?
• 49:15
  I mean it's like it's one thing. If something is poorly done
• 49:19
  versus if it's just not to your liking, you know what I mean?
• 49:22
  Like if it's not to your liking, that doesn't mean that it's bad.
• 49:25
  I mean, that's the thing. There's a lot of people that
• 49:28
  love The Last Jedi and think is an excellent movie.
• 49:30
  She and I don't think that they're wrong, you know, I had
• 49:34
  kind of have like mixed feelings about the sequels.
• 49:37
  You know what I mean? Like, I watched them, I enjoyed
• 49:39
  them. And I kind of on a basic level,
• 49:41
  I kind of look at it. Like, if you enjoy something,
• 49:45
  then it was good on a very basic level.
• 49:47
  Did I mean? But then you compare things in
• 49:50
  detail if you want. And like you said, you can make
• 49:52
  your own re-imaginings and stuff.
• 49:55
  So it look, you know, I mean, I so I remember walking into the
• 50:00
  first one and I mean, again going back to greatest wife
• 50:04
  ever, right? She got tickets every everything
• 50:07
  that came out. The only one we didn't see that
• 50:08
  there's was solo, which I finally saw a Netflix last year
• 50:14
  and did not care for. Oh, really?
• 50:17
  And I, and I don't know why, I'm not really sure why I didn't
• 50:19
  like it. I probably have to give it
• 50:21
  another watch it just it just didn't sit right with me but,
• 50:25
  you know, somebody but my wife got us tickets to all three of
• 50:28
  those. The the, the sequel, Trilogy and
• 50:32
  in Rogue one. And I remember her asking me,
• 50:35
  like, what are you thinking, going into this every single
• 50:36
  time. Like, I'm not, I'm just, I just,
• 50:39
  I just hope it's a Well Done movie, like, I hope it's fun and
• 50:43
  going into the, with that mentality.
• 50:45
  You know, again, are there things in every single aspect of
• 50:48
  it that I don't particularly enjoy.
• 50:51
  Yeah, absolutely. And then there's stuff that I've
• 50:53
  talked about where it's like, I didn't like it at first and
• 50:54
  like, oh, you know what? That's kind of cool.
• 50:56
  Like, you know, you look at the fact that People people talk
• 50:59
  about the like like then soul in that first one walking through
• 51:04
  the woods and it's like they make it a point to show you how
• 51:09
  powerful Chuy's bowcaster is. And this dude took shots and
• 51:15
  shook him off and he's just like himself in the side just to try
• 51:19
  and keep himself going and still like, you know, powerful like
• 51:24
  that. And I think that then plays into
• 51:27
  like the natural Chiral power of 0.
• 51:30
  How is re able to stand up and handle this?
• 51:32
  Oh, well, this dude did just get shot by this Wookie bowcaster so
• 51:37
  it's like amazing on both sides. Like okay, cool.
• 51:39
  You know what I can I can dig that like I can get behind it,
• 51:44
  you know, and but there are other things where it's like at,
• 51:47
  did you know? I didn't love this part, but I
• 51:49
  liked it. And I had fun.
• 51:50
  I enjoyed the movies and, you know, I went into it with that
• 51:55
  mentality of, I don't want to have a set of Case it's because
• 51:59
  really, you know, I went in when Phantom Menace came out you know
• 52:02
  the idea of first Star Wars in my like to be in the theaters.
• 52:05
  Not so much of my lifetime because what was Jedi I think
• 52:08
  was was 1981, right? So that was a live.
• 52:10
  I was for my parents were not taking me to see that but to be
• 52:15
  able to see it in theaters, was I was so overblown with
• 52:18
  excitement that I was let down and and I do think that, you
• 52:24
  know, as I'm going to go through and hey you know, Disney plus
• 52:27
  we're watching everything. Else 100 times during
• 52:30
  quarantine. So you know, maybe we go and we
• 52:32
  do a marathon and maybe we watch the prequels finally with her,
• 52:34
  and maybe I won't have as much of an issue with episode one
• 52:39
  that that'll be, that'll be a tough one to change for me, but
• 52:42
  but two and three have grown on me over the years.
• 52:44
  And you know, I'm to the point where I actually kind of like
• 52:48
  attack of the Clones. I like Revenge of the Sith
• 52:51
  because I've watched it so many times that there are elements of
• 52:53
  it that I like and, you know, watching you with her today and,
• 52:56
  and explaining all the stuff and just realizing like You don't
• 52:59
  want it. This isn't that bad, like I
• 53:00
  don't have an issue with it so much anymore and it's just I
• 53:04
  think that expectations can make a difference.
• 53:07
  I mean, listen, we went, we saw, we saw the Rolling Stones was
• 53:12
  two years ago, so when it make had his heart attack and they're
• 53:16
  back out on the road, like, six months later, and someone forgot
• 53:20
  to tell Mickey had a heart attack and, you know, I had seen
• 53:24
  them, it was funny because we saw them in the new giant
• 53:26
  Stadium. My wife had never seen them and
• 53:28
  I I had seen them probably about 10 years prior in the old Giants
• 53:30
  stadium. And and I went in thinking,
• 53:33
  okay, Mick Jagger just had a heart attack.
• 53:35
  He's guys are, you know, probably worn down and let's see
• 53:39
  how this goes. I'm not going expectations.
• 53:41
  I'm just going to be happy that they play.
• 53:42
  The songs that I like, and I came out like going, oh my God,
• 53:45
  they were better than when I saw them 10 years ago, and it was
• 53:49
  just, I, you know, that's just been a thing for me over the
• 53:53
  years that maybe came with age, but I've sort of gone in and Try
• 53:59
  not to have high expectations going in anything.
• 54:02
  Because if you set the bar too high, then it's impossible for
• 54:07
  other people to meet. What's in your head.
• 54:09
  Like you ever have somebody get mad at you because you did
• 54:11
  something in a dream that they had and you didn't even know it.
• 54:15
  Yeah, it's like it's one of those things.
• 54:19
  It's like I can't control or I can't control what your
• 54:22
  expectations are of me. So I try to control it.
• 54:27
  My expectations are so that I go in and, and it's not so bad, you
• 54:31
  know? And then I find enjoying myself
• 54:34
  and, you know, again, back to its entertainment, enjoy
• 54:37
  yourself, why not? So I know maybe I'm
• 54:42
  oversimplifying life, but but not super complicated.
• 54:46
  I think you got it down, man. Absolutely, I couldn't agree
• 54:48
  more. Right.
• 54:51
  Should we talk about you now is that I was not expecting to talk
• 54:57
  about? That was for nearly an hour.
• 55:00
  I love that I could talk about it all day.
• 55:02
  Oh, yeah, but we do need to talk about you right now, a few times
• 55:08
  there you mentioned your Kickstarter sir and this
• 55:11
  Kickstarter is to fund a mobile game based on alien Gladiators
• 55:16
  and I think I'm pronouncing this correctly from the antar has
• 55:19
  ascended universe. Is that right?
• 55:22
  I'm okay with Ontario, somebody asked me the days, it is.
• 55:24
  It Antares around Terry's. I was like, I say in Terry's,
• 55:27
  you can say and Ari's I don't like, I don't care.
• 55:31
  So yes, it's based on Terry's ascended and the idea is so I'm
• 55:36
  going to give a spoiler alert for anybody who decides to to
• 55:39
  join the patreon and wants to read the series or who gets the
• 55:42
  e-book as part of the backing. So everybody's so this race.
• 55:46
  They're called homines homy n. Some of the back story that
• 55:50
  you'll see in there as you read it is that the Mythic Travelers
• 55:55
  had arrived in there. And there was a The, there's a
• 56:01
  thing that I call Karthik arva, and it's based on like a shared
• 56:06
  psychic mind space, right? And, and so, in the middle of
• 56:11
  their ponds, they have these purple things called violets.
• 56:13
  And when they press those together and there's a lot,
• 56:16
  least three of them together. They launched into the shared
• 56:18
  mine space. So what what the idea is that
• 56:23
  back before there were hummons V where their own thing and they
• 56:27
  ended up from you. Actual survival.
• 56:29
  They merged with whatever The Travelers were.
• 56:34
  Just don't tell anyone but they're humans.
• 56:36
  Remind you of the dude from Doctor Who for some reason.
• 56:40
  So I'm going to say this again, very risky.
• 56:43
  I haven't actually watched Doctor Who.
• 56:45
  That's a that's a thing that my buddies have been on me for a
• 56:49
  while and it gotta watch it, man.
• 56:51
  There's oh, no. I know, I know and everybody's
• 56:53
  got that. Everybody's got their own doctor
• 56:55
  that they're very, very part. Yeah, there's so much Tent in so
• 56:59
  little time that the the you know, bunch of my friends don't
• 57:03
  have kids so makes it easy for them to watch what they need.
• 57:07
  But but yeah so so you know so this idea that, you know, homens
• 57:12
  by Nature are aggressive. And so there's this thing that
• 57:16
  gets referred to a number of times of the war of Lords and
• 57:21
  they're all these houses. There's there's major and minor
• 57:24
  houses that they all came out of the war Lords.
• 57:27
  And there's this prophecy that it's really driving the the
• 57:30
  first couple years of the series that that comes out of that.
• 57:35
  And so part of the decision was that the archon was at the
• 57:42
  initial a camera. If I made the first of the
• 57:43
  second arc on who, you know, from how sentries who runs the
• 57:47
  Empire created this Arena fighting thing, it had been
• 57:52
  called torian games for a while. I sort of decided to retire that
• 57:55
  name. I suspend you the In games
• 57:59
  during during the war that's been happening now and Now
• 58:03
  spoiler alert something that's going to be happening in the
• 58:05
  coming months is that the one of the princes, who is a gladiator
• 58:10
  himself, is restarting it and it's going under the name and
• 58:13
  Terriers Arena, so it sort of tying into.
• 58:16
  And so, it's basically the official sport of the Antares
• 58:19
  Empire because you've got these violent people and how do you,
• 58:24
  how do you take them? And give them an outlet.
• 58:27
  So that Society It can be peaceful.
• 58:29
  And so this is this official sport.
• 58:31
  And the idea is that like they have, they are what are called
• 58:36
  Warden suits, and a wouldn't suit protects you completely.
• 58:39
  But it's wired on the inside. So you get hit, it's not going
• 58:43
  to break your arm but your arm is going to feel as if it were
• 58:46
  broken so you're getting the pain Sensations and it's slowing
• 58:49
  you down and so the battle will end.
• 58:52
  Once you've basically been, you know, bludgeon to the point
• 58:55
  where you would in theory be dead but then They release you
• 58:59
  from your Warden suit. Hold you get up and you walk
• 59:02
  away. Right?
• 59:04
  And the main weapon is the pulse baton.
• 59:06
  Which basically looks like almost like a baseball bat,
• 59:09
  right? And all of this stuff, crazy
• 59:14
  enough, Harkens back to something.
• 59:15
  I came up with in college and and just kind of pulled it off
• 59:18
  the shelf and refabricated it in the last few years.
• 59:22
  And so that's the mentality for this game and I had sort of I
• 59:27
  used to do. Do like tournaments and I would
• 59:30
  just list the results in the play-by-play and, and put those
• 59:34
  out there as part of the stuff for the patron and this would
• 59:38
  make just a cool game. A couple of questions here.
• 59:41
  Sure heading. What is the name of the game?
• 59:46
  The game is Antares Arena and there is surgery now, okay?
• 59:51
  And then I mean, I think you've laid it out there but I just
• 59:55
  want to confirm this. So the books The the science
• 1:00:00
  fiction books are all part of that Antares ascended universe
• 1:00:04
  that you use. So there's that one more.
• 1:00:07
  Yes. What is that on patreon?
• 1:00:09
  If anybody's familiar Patron, I just do there are monthly issues
• 1:00:13
  right and somewhere in the towards the end of the first
• 1:00:17
  year, I actually separate it out because house Antares is, you
• 1:00:22
  know, they run the, they run the Empire and then Of the ancient
• 1:00:29
  enemy was house. Very choa.
• 1:00:32
  And so a lot of this is based around.
• 1:00:35
  I'm not really giving this a giving much up because it
• 1:00:37
  happens in the first issue. In the first issue is free so
• 1:00:40
  the nephew of the archon. Who his mother is of house
• 1:00:48
  virchow. And the grandfather tried to
• 1:00:50
  broker, Peace by having them the marry in.
• 1:00:53
  And there is this prophecy that says that, you know how severe
• 1:00:55
  Cho will rise again. So even though he's actually in
• 1:00:59
  Antares, he Embraces has spiritual and he assassinates
• 1:01:04
  his own father Brother. The Ark on his aunt wife of the
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  archon and his brother who he referred to as an Antares lap
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  dog. Where his brother would shoot
• 1:01:15
  back again. But we are Antares and so it's
• 1:01:19
  kind of that's that's a lot of the underlying.
• 1:01:21
  So there are two different storylines going right now of
• 1:01:26
  Antares and Virtua on a monthly basis in patreon and then this
• 1:01:31
  game is basically growing out of the science fiction series.
• 1:01:35
  And so hopefully if this goes well I will come up with other
• 1:01:37
  games coming out of the universe.
• 1:01:40
  Okay. Yeah I figured that was the
• 1:01:41
  case. I just wanted to like fully
• 1:01:43
  understand that because to me, it should seem like the book
• 1:01:45
  Books. I like I guess like the main
• 1:01:49
  sort of Attraction. So to speak and then the game
• 1:01:51
  not that the game isn't, but the game is like one aspect of this
• 1:01:55
  wider Universe. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:01:57
  Oh, yeah. Moving it Forward.
• 1:02:01
  What's your target for the kickstarter?
• 1:02:07
  Like, how much, how, how far are you off from achieving your goal
• 1:02:09
  for it? Oh, pretty far off.
• 1:02:11
  Right now, you know, and I realize, I sort of a.m.
• 1:02:15
  Launch during during holiday time and and be.
• 1:02:21
  I know that, you know, most kickstarter's tend to get really
• 1:02:25
  the bulk of their funding in the last week of the other program,
• 1:02:27
  right? So, so what I needed, what I
• 1:02:31
  basically have a company who connected with that.
• 1:02:36
  I learned that a friend of mine, had started a few years back and
• 1:02:39
  so, she gave me a quote, and I basically took that figured out
• 1:02:42
  what kickstarter's fees get get subtracted by.
• 1:02:46
  So I had to go up a little bit and right now I think I'm I
• 1:02:49
  think the number is 78 thousand USD that I need to hit.
• 1:02:54
  Well, I think crossed over the, the 2K, Mark the other day.
• 1:02:59
  So so yeah. So I'm I'm hopeful that that you
• 1:03:02
  know we see some folks actually come and go.
• 1:03:04
  Oh yeah you know what, I want to back this.
• 1:03:06
  I want to make this happen. Like the game looks like it's
• 1:03:08
  going to be fun and stuff like that.
• 1:03:10
  I got to say like You know, it sounds like a lot but it's like
• 1:03:15
  I've seen a lot of kickstarter's over the years and, you know, is
• 1:03:18
  it is just simply about getting the numbers really.
• 1:03:21
  And what I mean by that is like if everyone chips in like, two
• 1:03:23
  dollars, three dollars, whatever then it you get it like quicker
• 1:03:26
  than quicker than you really are.
• 1:03:28
  And this I feel like this is a fantastic idea.
• 1:03:32
  Like it's sounds very original. I can hit.
• 1:03:34
  I can sort of see that there are certain things that you know, it
• 1:03:38
  reminds me of but that's good because I think everything is
• 1:03:42
  Anything, you know, nothing is truly original.
• 1:03:44
  Everything is based at that's just how it works.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah, I know, you know that, but I don't think everyone else in
• 1:03:51
  the world. Seems to know I understand that.
• 1:03:53
  And then there's usually people that truly unique ideas are hard
• 1:03:57
  to come by. Yeah, there's always something
• 1:03:58
  to be like that's a ripoff of this thing and yeah a lot of
• 1:04:01
  times they're wrong because everything is nice and
• 1:04:03
  everything. But yeah, well with this
• 1:04:06
  Kickstarter and this game and Ataris Antares, Ended and you
• 1:04:13
  can call it on tires. That's cool man.
• 1:04:14
  It's okay. Aunt re I'm Terry, it sounds
• 1:04:17
  better with your accent is mine. You know?
• 1:04:19
  I'm I'm from New York, you're from London.
• 1:04:21
  Who's got the cooler accent. Let's be realistic here.
• 1:04:24
  I love thing that both quite charming and in some ways you
• 1:04:26
  know. But there with with with these
• 1:04:30
  with these this game in this this series that you can tell a
• 1:04:33
  lot of work has gone into this and moving it forward to your
• 1:04:39
  patreon. I noticed this even more when I
• 1:04:42
  To the different levels and staff like you've got that this
• 1:04:44
  kind of tier system going on, where there's like a smaller
• 1:04:49
  monthly fee for one level and then a slightly higher fee for
• 1:04:54
  like more exclusive content, more premium, Etc.
• 1:04:59
  So with with this patreon, what else do people get?
• 1:05:08
  Like what can people can people expect when they sign up for
• 1:05:11
  this pager? I'm sure so.
• 1:05:14
  I mean that's the way number one.
• 1:05:15
  That's how you're going to get the the ongoing to story story
• 1:05:19
  lines, right? But then, you know, I did I did
• 1:05:22
  a little bit of a diverging last month.
• 1:05:26
  It was either October and November.
• 1:05:28
  I've been getting, you know, some some requests to kind of
• 1:05:34
  focus on a single character for a little bit, right?
• 1:05:36
  Because, you know, because everything is like almost
• 1:05:39
  Harkens back to what I was talking about with the the
• 1:05:41
  movies in between, right? Um because everything really
• 1:05:44
  focuses a lot on, you know. So on the one side you've got
• 1:05:50
  ogun and Terry's, he's the archon.
• 1:05:51
  If you've seen the image in my Twitter, he's the guy sitting in
• 1:05:54
  the throne kind of like this, right?
• 1:05:58
  And and then on the very outside, it kind of focuses a
• 1:06:01
  lot on to ponder chawla and and his mother Okawa right.
• 1:06:06
  And then you know, there are other characters that sort of go
• 1:06:08
  around and there was a bit that focused a little more on I'm
• 1:06:12
  Portis. Who is the the heir to the
• 1:06:15
  throne? So I had gotten a little bit of,
• 1:06:19
  you know, people say, can you do more importance to do something
• 1:06:21
  important? So I actually did a three-part
• 1:06:24
  miniseries. Like I, you know, I kind of
• 1:06:26
  diverged from the normal story lines for a bit and a three-part
• 1:06:29
  miniseries on Portis, which is not something that like you're
• 1:06:34
  not going to get that stuff. It's not like I'm going to throw
• 1:06:36
  that stuff out there as for anything.
• 1:06:38
  I've done some like little one off short stories and things in
• 1:06:41
  the universe. That you know that I'll throw
• 1:06:43
  out there for free. But yeah, that's something
• 1:06:45
  that's, that's part of it. I think that I'm going to do,
• 1:06:47
  you know, there's an interesting storyline about, I'm cutting a
• 1:06:53
  little bit of a head for folks who haven't read it, but, you
• 1:06:56
  know, you've got. So there are three children and
• 1:07:00
  the oldest one is tears up and she was the original heir to the
• 1:07:03
  throne, and she decided to go down the road of the priesthood
• 1:07:07
  and part of the priesthood is They actually are required in
• 1:07:14
  one of their rights that they drink, this kind of potion that
• 1:07:17
  sterilizes them. And she decided that she wanted
• 1:07:23
  a number one, go down the road of the priesthood.
• 1:07:24
  That's really sure what she wanted.
• 1:07:26
  She didn't want to be part of the the Royal hierarchy and the
• 1:07:30
  way that she was able to get her father off her back is using a
• 1:07:35
  very non feminist technique but that she knew would very much
• 1:07:39
  you know irritate him said I can't give you an explanation.
• 1:07:42
  Are if I like there, can't be an air for me.
• 1:07:45
  So if I take the throne, then there will be chaos in there
• 1:07:48
  will be War again. After I die, is that what you
• 1:07:50
  want? And so she knows that's not how
• 1:07:54
  her father thinks she knows. That's not how she thinks, but
• 1:07:57
  she basically put it that way because she knows that if she
• 1:07:59
  says it in front of the council, the council will argue him down.
• 1:08:02
  And so it's sort of like a she's she's very intelligent and she's
• 1:08:07
  very powerful and she's empathic.
• 1:08:10
  But she also Is abhorrent of war.
• 1:08:13
  And so she very recently took over the planet.
• 1:08:17
  She kicked off the military, she she required an end to to all
• 1:08:22
  Arena fighting and she has basically made her Planet, one
• 1:08:27
  of peace and one of religion, only and it's all about the gods
• 1:08:31
  here. And so I'm probably going to do
• 1:08:34
  another Trilogy digging deeper into her eye for a while, had
• 1:08:39
  been doing some stories of the Gods, right?
• 1:08:42
  I'm a baked, get back into doing some of those again, as well,
• 1:08:46
  because I like to throw fun things out there.
• 1:08:48
  I want to give, you know, look, we're all stuck in the house and
• 1:08:53
  it's going to get colder again and we may be all stuck in the
• 1:08:55
  house a lot more coming soon. So I want to give people stuff
• 1:08:59
  to read, you know, I want to give I'll give people content,
• 1:09:02
  you know, stuff to you. And you know, I I just I think
• 1:09:06
  it's important to be able to put more out there and especially
• 1:09:09
  for the people who are who are going to be contributing A
• 1:09:12
  buting to me and supporting me, I want to give them more than
• 1:09:15
  they were barking for. That's I think it's just fair,
• 1:09:18
  one of the main goals and aspirations, you have feel game
• 1:09:21
  and your books in general. I mean aspiration.
• 1:09:28
  I want people to read the books, I want them to enjoy the story
• 1:09:31
  lines, I want him to talk about it.
• 1:09:32
  I want them to invite their friends to do it.
• 1:09:36
  You know, I don't have any delusions of being In an icon,
• 1:09:44
  you know, Timothy Zahn, Michael a stackpole, you know, those are
• 1:09:49
  people who I Revere, you know, so many more right?
• 1:09:55
  And you know, and I don't expect to be George, you know, I feel
• 1:10:01
  want to be George. What's that?
• 1:10:02
  We all know big George? Yeah, you kind of, you know, of
• 1:10:10
  being Jeff Bezos or anything like that.
• 1:10:12
  Either, you know, I would love, I would love the game too.
• 1:10:17
  I would love to kick started to, you know, to be successful.
• 1:10:20
  I would love the game to be played by a loyal group of
• 1:10:22
  people, you know, I mean if it's not, if I don't have millions of
• 1:10:27
  people playing it around the world but you know, there's like
• 1:10:30
  50 to 100,000 her. Like, yeah, I love playing this
• 1:10:32
  game and he'll if it makes just enough money to pay for my
• 1:10:36
  daughter to go to college. You know, I mean, I happen to
• 1:10:39
  love my job so I'm not in any hurry to go.
• 1:10:42
  Go leave that but you know this what do you what do you do for
• 1:10:45
  work? So I am a I'm a Solutions.
• 1:10:49
  Architect focusing on selling support services for a very
• 1:10:57
  major SAS company there. I think that I'm not wearing
• 1:10:59
  anything around. Yeah, I don't want to.
• 1:11:01
  I don't want anybody to think that they endorse me anything
• 1:11:03
  like that. But yeah, I'm in those who don't
• 1:11:05
  know, that means software as a service.
• 1:11:07
  Oh, sorry. Yes.
• 1:11:08
  Software as a service. Yeah.
• 1:11:10
  And so, yeah, I mean, I Art in my career as a programmer.
• 1:11:13
  That's why the the prototype for the game.
• 1:11:16
  You know is a is a non mobile optimized web game that, you
• 1:11:20
  know, I've spent, I spent time over the quarantine teaching
• 1:11:24
  myself PHP and teaching myself my sequel because I started off
• 1:11:28
  as an asp and SQL Server guy many years ago potentially.
• 1:11:32
  Well, some of your viewers were still in elementary school and
• 1:11:36
  because I'm old you know, and now I've moved, you know, I'd
• 1:11:41
  move to the services. Sales.
• 1:11:42
  And so yes I mean I actually love my job but you know this is
• 1:11:47
  my passion and so writing and you know it's like if if I were
• 1:11:52
  to go into retirement one day where what I'm focused on is I'm
• 1:11:56
  still writing you know I'm writing a Terry's ascended and I
• 1:11:59
  revisit my Olympus Union stuff and I you know, and I have two
• 1:12:04
  or three games that I've helped to, you know, to, to Foster and
• 1:12:08
  that's just what I do. I mean, you know, maybe my My
• 1:12:12
  grandfather's worked. He was Professor until the use
• 1:12:16
  probably 83 or 84 when he finally had to had to call it
• 1:12:20
  quits. And you know, I just I look at
• 1:12:24
  that, you know? He said he I was like, why are
• 1:12:25
  you still working? Because I'm having fun.
• 1:12:27
  Hmm. And so that's to me it's like if
• 1:12:30
  I were writing and I were working on games into my 80s
• 1:12:33
  that's cool. I'm cool with that you know so
• 1:12:36
  it's just it's fun and that's that's really my aspiration for
• 1:12:40
  this. That's awesome.
• 1:12:42
  Not exactly the same aspiration. I have here just to do to enjoy
• 1:12:46
  what I do for a living and love it.
• 1:12:47
  That should be everyone's goal really shouldn't and let's talk
• 1:12:52
  a little bit more about the game though because I want to explore
• 1:12:55
  this. So again for for those listening
• 1:12:58
  and watching the game is called and tart and Terry's Arena and I
• 1:13:05
  guess I just wanted to like I understand, you know, you're
• 1:13:07
  still pushing that a game is still in development.
• 1:13:11
  And It's you know obviously dependent on the cake stock
• 1:13:15
  everything, but let's assume it all things go.
• 1:13:18
  Well, first of all is the game. Will it be like a freemium model
• 1:13:26
  or get a model? Yep.
• 1:13:27
  So so here, let me, let me give you kind of a little n, right?
• 1:13:31
  The idea is you come in, and you'll have a gladiator template
• 1:13:36
  that you can choose off of your initial for gladiators, you have
• 1:13:41
  different skills, And they are, they are all based off of
• 1:13:48
  traditional paper and Ice role-playing because that stuff
• 1:13:51
  that I've written before. And so when I coded a lot of
• 1:13:54
  the, the sequences, even though it's like you might have a
• 1:13:57
  strength of 3.2 in my mind, that's three days plus 2, you
• 1:14:02
  know? And so that's sort of how I've
• 1:14:04
  coded the mentality in the background, right?
• 1:14:07
  You go in and you can buy weapons, you can buy armor you
• 1:14:12
  Challenge. You go into the Arenas and you
• 1:14:14
  will, you will fight, you'll have winnings.
• 1:14:18
  Even if you lose, you're still going to get some money.
• 1:14:20
  The currency is called colville's.
• 1:14:22
  And then you train yourself up. And then, you know, you kind of
• 1:14:26
  lather, rinse, repeat, right going beyond that.
• 1:14:30
  The idea is that in all of that's free to play, right?
• 1:14:35
  You know, I'm going to be putting in something that, you
• 1:14:37
  know, a lot of games have like you have only so many.
• 1:14:43
  Time's the challenge while you power your stamina back up and
• 1:14:47
  stuff like that. So that'll be time-based.
• 1:14:49
  And and you know, I'm gonna be introducing concept gems and
• 1:14:53
  gems will allow you to if you want to go fight again before
• 1:14:56
  you're completely powered back up.
• 1:14:58
  If you want to buy more advanced Weaponry, things of that nature.
• 1:15:02
  Gems will be something that you can either buy or watch a video
• 1:15:06
  to like to earn. And there will be videos to earn
• 1:15:10
  stuff. You will be able to buy buy more
• 1:15:11
  gems. And use them to buy more of the
• 1:15:13
  currency, like the coals and stuff like that.
• 1:15:15
  I'm trying to keep it simple, right?
• 1:15:16
  Like, I don't want it to be a billion different things that
• 1:15:18
  people would spend money on because I want it to be more
• 1:15:21
  about the fun in the gameplay. And then the eventual idea is
• 1:15:26
  that you're going to be able to buy additional Gladiators so
• 1:15:29
  that you can have a, you know, just kind of a cast of
• 1:15:33
  characters that you're playing, which, you know, you can level
• 1:15:36
  up your different Gladiators, I'm going to set it up so that
• 1:15:40
  you can buy weapons and then stick A storage locker and then
• 1:15:43
  go buy another weapon for yourself.
• 1:15:45
  Instead of selling back your old weapon, you throw it in the
• 1:15:46
  storage locker and your, you know, one of your lesser
• 1:15:49
  Gladiators can now use that. So you don't have to go buy it
• 1:15:51
  again and eventually going to be introducing, you know, instead
• 1:15:55
  of having just one on one, you'll have three on three kind
• 1:15:58
  of battles and stuff like that and and ever-evolving, right?
• 1:16:03
  I mean there are there are games that I play that.
• 1:16:06
  There's a little bit of inspiration.
• 1:16:07
  That's come from you know if anybody's played Dragon City if
• 1:16:09
  anybody's played Archer. Oh You know, those are games
• 1:16:12
  that I sort of had looked at and said, you know what, I like
• 1:16:15
  these aspects of the game and so I'm going to try and incorporate
• 1:16:19
  them in. We're incorporating in fighter
• 1:16:22
  Prestige, you know, different levels of of Arenas are going to
• 1:16:28
  have different levels of Fighters.
• 1:16:29
  So are you fighting somebody who's are on your level?
• 1:16:32
  Who's below you who's stronger than you, it's going to affect
• 1:16:35
  your prestige. It's going to like their
• 1:16:37
  prestige levels will be different.
• 1:16:39
  It's going to affect your Rewards.
• 1:16:42
  You know, there's going to be an audience happiness Factor so
• 1:16:46
  like that's oh yeah yeah that's you know there's like I want to
• 1:16:49
  do a sliding scale where it's like look you know what the
• 1:16:52
  reality is that if it's a squash match, then no one wants to see
• 1:16:57
  that. You know, I mean I remember I
• 1:16:59
  chance of wrestling fan as well. I so I haven't watched an in a
• 1:17:04
  few years. Okay, let's um but yeah I mean
• 1:17:07
  my my friends and I in college so I went to the University at
• 1:17:11
  Albany Yeah. And I'm, like, making it if I
• 1:17:14
  use any of that stuff for my passwords.
• 1:17:15
  It would be so easy to hack me at this point.
• 1:17:18
  So, yeah, so it's a to University at Albany and my
• 1:17:22
  friends and I we would go to a raw or Smackdown.
• 1:17:26
  Taping every single year we went to, there was a pay-per-view
• 1:17:30
  that came, so we went to that. And yeah, so so in the, you
• 1:17:35
  know, in the late 90s, and the early 2000s, I was I was pretty
• 1:17:38
  much a, so that's the thing. It's like, I think about Bill
• 1:17:42
  Goldberg back in the day WCW and his matches were so often squash
• 1:17:46
  matches and like all right. That was kind of cool.
• 1:17:49
  I guess. Yeah.
• 1:17:51
  Go bill but like not as impressive as the long matches.
• 1:17:54
  I think it really depends doesn't it like if ya like I
• 1:17:57
  could by the way I'm a massive wrestling fan.
• 1:17:59
  I could talk all day about this but it will bring about to the
• 1:18:02
  game. So I get I get what you're
• 1:18:04
  saying. I think is that there's a big
• 1:18:05
  difference between obviously, you know, if you're watching
• 1:18:08
  something, you know outside Outside in an arena.
• 1:18:14
  You know, you're working on the Rena and stuff and you're
• 1:18:16
  watching it live. You kind of maybe feel cheated.
• 1:18:19
  Whereas if you're watching it you know, on TV, maybe it's a
• 1:18:22
  bit different. I don't know.
• 1:18:24
  I suppose you can make an argument for both.
• 1:18:25
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:18:26
  And but in the context of a game, you have seen this in
• 1:18:29
  certain games. I've seen this in WWE games.
• 1:18:32
  I've seen them do that. I've think I've seen it in
• 1:18:36
  something else, I can't remember.
• 1:18:38
  But yeah, it is it make it makes sense.
• 1:18:43
  And I suppose, it depends how you want to play a game.
• 1:18:46
  Do you want to get it for it quickly?
• 1:18:48
  Or do you want to kind of, like, have fun Jin?
• 1:18:50
  And I mean, like, for instance, you see, there's different types
• 1:18:52
  of Fighters. So I imagine they'll be like
• 1:18:54
  Fighters that are more like, you know, assassins ones that are
• 1:18:57
  more, a Brute Force, you know, Speedy people, you've got the
• 1:19:00
  Savage like, like, you know, I just wanna, I'm gonna swing it,
• 1:19:04
  your head every single time. And, you know, I've actually put
• 1:19:08
  in stuff where it's like, if you just sit there and you're going,
• 1:19:11
  headshot headshot. Shot headshot.
• 1:19:12
  Hey, you're swinging out like this, you're up and I've made it
• 1:19:15
  so that the computer is going to recognize, oh, you're doing
• 1:19:17
  multiple head swings in a row. I'm going to hit you in the body
• 1:19:20
  now because you're leaving yourself wide open and now
• 1:19:22
  you're going to hit even harder and that's yeah, you're taking a
• 1:19:25
  risk and you know what? I've got different stuff like
• 1:19:28
  that. Like it's if I if you get hit in
• 1:19:31
  the head but it's not hard enough to do damage.
• 1:19:32
  You're going to be dizzy, you know, you get hit in the arm and
• 1:19:35
  it's on us to jump into your arms gonna be numb, which means
• 1:19:38
  it's going to be harder to land the strike, right?
• 1:19:41
  And Anyway, I try to make it so that there's it has to be.
• 1:19:47
  I like the Casual aspect of it. So there has to be casual aspect
• 1:19:50
  to it but there also has to be some like it's not you're not
• 1:19:54
  just going tap tap tap tap next tap tap tap tap that you know
• 1:19:58
  like there's something to it where you've got to think
• 1:20:01
  there's got to be some strategy to it.
• 1:20:04
  It's trick isn't it not knowing which which type of game to do
• 1:20:07
  because you know, classic beat em ups.
• 1:20:09
  You know, they do they do well but So so too.
• 1:20:12
  But this is the thing like fans, these days are so picky.
• 1:20:15
  Some people say oh I hate classic ones, I want something
• 1:20:18
  that's more, you know, you know, there's more strategy to it and
• 1:20:22
  yeah, flex and other people will say, like, oh, there's not
• 1:20:24
  enough fighting. It's to strategic like, what?
• 1:20:27
  Other way that's where the top end of my aspirations.
• 1:20:30
  Like, you know, a couple of hundred thousand people playing
• 1:20:33
  it. I'm good.
• 1:20:34
  You know, I don't, I don't, I don't need Millions.
• 1:20:36
  I want, I want to have people who are actually going to enjoy
• 1:20:39
  it and who are gonna give feedback of?
• 1:20:41
  Hey, I Take this part and, you know, but I would love, I would
• 1:20:44
  love to see something like that. You know, I did going through
• 1:20:47
  with this web version of the game as I was kind of building
• 1:20:49
  up the Prototype. I had a bunch of alpha testers
• 1:20:52
  and you know, kind of who I would ask and I would survey.
• 1:20:55
  Do you like this part? Do you as I built the
• 1:20:57
  functionality along? You know, is this stuff?
• 1:20:58
  That's cool. Do you do you want this?
• 1:21:00
  Do you care about this? Should I did and I got really
• 1:21:03
  interesting feedback. So that's the beauty of the
• 1:21:06
  internet and I think a lot of folks forget that it's, you
• 1:21:09
  know, If you don't like the way this is, it can be changed.
• 1:21:14
  Its just code. You know?
• 1:21:16
  It's not Stone, it's not books. There was a challenge.
• 1:21:20
  I remember a number of years ago, some of my buddies, a
• 1:21:24
  wicked one of the like Wikipedia editors.
• 1:21:26
  Remember him telling me like they they actually isn't that so
• 1:21:29
  job I thought it was just people messing around them, you know?
• 1:21:31
  He that's right. Like it's a it's like you know I
• 1:21:34
  mean it's hobbyist but like you have to they're pretty pretty
• 1:21:38
  forceful on making sure that You are above board and like, they
• 1:21:44
  physics. Like a volunteer style thing.
• 1:21:46
  It's your thing, but they like they police the Articles and
• 1:21:48
  they make sure that you're not, you know, like people aren't
• 1:21:52
  messing with stuff on purpose. But I remember, he told me a few
• 1:21:55
  years back that they did like this, this comparison between
• 1:22:02
  maybe was Encyclopedia Britannica and Wikipedia to see
• 1:22:05
  who's more accurate. And so they found out like and
• 1:22:08
  and Wikipedia was what was it? He said, Said there's something
• 1:22:11
  only like three percent in accuracy or something that you
• 1:22:14
  know. And and it was about the same
• 1:22:17
  for Encyclopedia, Britannica print version and so Wikipedia
• 1:22:21
  turn around and and like a week later said, okay, we fixed all
• 1:22:25
  the issues can you check us again and it's like we can fix
• 1:22:29
  this, we can change this. If this is wrong, we can change
• 1:22:31
  this. That blows that kind of blows my
• 1:22:33
  mind because I don't think I've ever spoken to anyone about
• 1:22:36
  this. So I've got loads of questions
• 1:22:37
  right now, like, for example and that leveler.
• 1:22:40
  So I do All the hits Foods. I understand is that but, like,
• 1:22:43
  through York for your friend, how were they able to so
• 1:22:48
  quickly? Like edit, you know, I give
• 1:22:49
  someone like passes away, someone very notable like, I
• 1:22:53
  seriously, like with there's memes made about this the fact
• 1:22:56
  that, you know, it's changed within the hour if that, I
• 1:22:59
  guess. So.
• 1:23:00
  And they change like every 60. If it's a long article and I
• 1:23:03
  don't know who's just passed away recently Chadwick Boseman,
• 1:23:08
  okay. Chad with bows, right?
• 1:23:09
  So they'll change like every, Single instance of like he is to
• 1:23:15
  he was like throughout the entire article and there's a
• 1:23:18
  long articles in many. I think that they have people
• 1:23:21
  who are assigned a different areas.
• 1:23:24
  And I mean I've done I I've written a couple Wikipedia
• 1:23:28
  articles in the past it's been years but over in some Wikipedia
• 1:23:31
  articles probably 10, 11 years ago.
• 1:23:34
  Okay. And the interface is pretty
• 1:23:35
  straightforward and it's I don't think it's that difficult to do.
• 1:23:39
  It's more about Making sure that you're being factual, you know,
• 1:23:42
  right? And so, yeah.
• 1:23:45
  So it's, I mean, it's people don't realize how impressive
• 1:23:48
  that is, but that's the big thing, right?
• 1:23:49
  It's it's the internet and that it's double edged, right?
• 1:23:54
  It's there is that danger? Because you can change anything
• 1:23:57
  right, but when it comes to this perspective of of a website or a
• 1:24:01
  game, you know, I mean if there's functionality that
• 1:24:06
  you're finding that is just no good.
• 1:24:08
  And there's a cogent reason behind, why?
• 1:24:10
  Why it should be changed, it can be changed, you know?
• 1:24:13
  I mean, as I was developing stuff, there were certain things
• 1:24:17
  we really want to change that because that's quarter.
• 1:24:19
  Wait, okay. You know that's going to take me
• 1:24:21
  a long time to rebuild and so I went I rebuilt it and you know
• 1:24:25
  and then other stuff where it's hey, could I just have this?
• 1:24:28
  I could probably make that happen.
• 1:24:29
  Yeah, and just exactly what I did in my Powers.
• 1:24:33
  Yeah. So there is here, what the issue
• 1:24:36
  was? I remember being asked about
• 1:24:38
  something like, how come you can't do this.
• 1:24:39
  It's like, I don't know, man. What's it?
• 1:24:41
  What's it like being a Wikipedia?
• 1:24:43
  God power you wield. I wish I was a Wikipedia guy.
• 1:24:50
  No, just just, just a low-level nerd.
• 1:24:53
  I mean, I will say, I will say one scruffy-looking Nerf herder.
• 1:24:56
  What's that? I love that.
• 1:25:00
  I get that straight away, but they'll be people watching.
• 1:25:02
  Like, what day? What does he mean by that?
• 1:25:05
  You just gotta be in that. But anyway, do ya know?
• 1:25:09
  Wikipedia, I will say this. It's changed a lot over the
• 1:25:12
  years because I remember messing around when I was, you know, in
• 1:25:16
  my late high school years on Wikipedia entries and you could
• 1:25:19
  get away with quite a lot and it would take like upwards of an
• 1:25:21
  hour or two before it be fixed. But now it's like, as you said,
• 1:25:27
  like really strict and it's almost near impossible to edit
• 1:25:31
  articles. If you're not like I suppose,
• 1:25:33
  one of the official agreed. Yeah, I mean there, I think that
• 1:25:37
  they they take their And I don't know if I want to say the word
• 1:25:42
  responsibility but I can't think of a better word for it because
• 1:25:44
  I think they realize how much of the world relies on them and
• 1:25:50
  they take that as a serious responsibility to look.
• 1:25:53
  You know what we need to do, as much as we can and share,
• 1:25:57
  there's not going to be misinformation because people
• 1:26:00
  are coming to us for it, and they've become a true and
• 1:26:04
  trusted and respected resource. See, this is where you say this,
• 1:26:09
  though, because I remember when I was at You need not long ago,
• 1:26:12
  University and the court Rick Wikipedia in your bibliography,
• 1:26:17
  right? And the thing is, there's okay.
• 1:26:19
  There's different ways you can look at this because one thing I
• 1:26:22
  did use Wikipedia for was actually the sources because,
• 1:26:25
  you know, drop to the bottom of an article.
• 1:26:27
  Yep. You can't, you know, Source.
• 1:26:29
  Wikipedia, you can use the Articles at the bottom.
• 1:26:31
  Sure, yeah, sources. So if you find a page, that's
• 1:26:35
  got lots and lots of sources. Chances are the information
• 1:26:38
  you're reading is much more reputable because it comes
• 1:26:41
  Official Source. Yeah.
• 1:26:42
  Oh yeah. That's why they do that too.
• 1:26:44
  Yeah, absolutely. But like they re still this
• 1:26:47
  massive stigma and in despite of all the efforts of the Wikipedia
• 1:26:50
  editors and everyone trying to make the website better and more
• 1:26:53
  reliable. I don't know that you can really
• 1:26:56
  get away rid of that Wikipedia stigma of, you know, like you
• 1:26:59
  can't really trust this. And so, you know what I mean yet
• 1:27:04
  yet I think I think the word yet is important there because and
• 1:27:09
  this can tie into we single element of what we've talked
• 1:27:12
  about today, right? So you use your born, what?
• 1:27:16
  Like 92 93, 93? Okay, believe that's right.
• 1:27:21
  Around the same time that that that my cousin was born and she
• 1:27:27
  does not really no world without the internet.
• 1:27:30
  She doesn't know world. Without yeah.
• 1:27:34
  She I mean for the most part she doesn't she doesn't really know
• 1:27:36
  world without the internet. I mean I guess he's for me.
• 1:27:39
  I did get the incident to that. Before.
• 1:27:41
  So I was, I think I was like 11 at the time.
• 1:27:44
  So I remember like having a Nokia 3310 and like, dial-up and
• 1:27:49
  life. But even that do I mean, you
• 1:27:50
  were even when it was dial up, it was still into the like,
• 1:27:53
  you're dialing into the Internet.
• 1:27:54
  It's not. I just remember like internet
• 1:27:57
  being like a novelty thing that a because we were poor grown-ups
• 1:28:01
  alike. No sir, not something.
• 1:28:02
  We had like the computer that was in my parents house was just
• 1:28:09
  I mean it was the black And green.
• 1:28:11
  Oh sure. Of course my mom did her entire
• 1:28:14
  dissertation. That's I mean, listen like I
• 1:28:16
  didn't really get a chance to get into, I mean, so I started,
• 1:28:19
  I started University yet, 1995, right?
• 1:28:23
  And was August 95. And so having this, this access
• 1:28:29
  to be able to go to go to the stuff was really cool, right?
• 1:28:31
  But it was more like a kind of like what you see sometimes in
• 1:28:36
  those like you know, crime shows some tea and some Goes to the
• 1:28:41
  library. Now they're going through like
• 1:28:43
  old newspaper. Exactly is a computer.
• 1:28:45
  That's what it used to be like, but but think about so you turn
• 1:28:49
  10 in 2000. No, I would have been 770.
• 1:28:56
  Sorry you tried 72,000. Okay.
• 1:28:58
  Yeah. So so even even more so, right.
• 1:29:00
  So so, you know, the internet has always for the most part.
• 1:29:06
  Been a part of your formative years and I like it was okay.
• 1:29:10
  So yes and no like when I was growing up as a kid and I don't
• 1:29:15
  know if this is because I was a poor kid or if it was just life
• 1:29:20
  for us but I don't Remember everyone having like regular
• 1:29:23
  access to the internet and the computer at home?
• 1:29:26
  Okay, still like early. High School. 11, 12 I think I
• 1:29:31
  was about 11 or 12 before we actually had a working computer
• 1:29:35
  with internet and stuff but I get it's probably different for
• 1:29:38
  every family. Yeah, it's possible.
• 1:29:39
  I mean listen I mean we definitely grew up poor and
• 1:29:42
  there are things that people talk about from these again,
• 1:29:43
  remember this? No.
• 1:29:45
  But, you know, it may be for me, you know, the interesting is
• 1:29:49
  that there's a lot of Technology that's been in my family but of
• 1:29:53
  people working in technology and being in New York and stuff like
• 1:29:55
  that. And it was just but it's like,
• 1:29:58
  you know, she she never had a cassette recorder, you know, she
• 1:30:02
  say she had a CD player and then an iPod actually, that's a good
• 1:30:06
  point, you know, because I remember his sets in my mom's
• 1:30:10
  house. Yep.
• 1:30:11
  I never used one. I used the Walkman to CD player,
• 1:30:14
  that was the best thing I use the thing.
• 1:30:17
  And so swipe, but I look at your generation that has really A lot
• 1:30:21
  of time. Like you said, you got
• 1:30:23
  University and Wikipedia was a thing.
• 1:30:24
  It wasn't a thing yet. When I when I was, you know,
• 1:30:26
  when I got there. So and I mean I remember coming
• 1:30:30
  out of college and I worked for an e-commerce company, I used to
• 1:30:33
  do stuff and it was a lot of submissions into to search
• 1:30:40
  engines when it was Yahoo and like hosts and hotbot mattered
• 1:30:45
  and excite mattered. And at the end of the week, if I
• 1:30:49
  had left over time, I would submit stuff too.
• 1:30:51
  Canada.com, which was the backdoor entrance to this tiny
• 1:30:54
  little thing that nobody cared about called Google, you know,
• 1:30:58
  and then you know and like all of a sudden things change,
• 1:31:01
  right? The idea that people are using
• 1:31:04
  Apple Computers like would make no sense to 20 years ago, me.
• 1:31:10
  So so you like you think about that stuff, right?
• 1:31:12
  And then I think about so my daughter will never know a
• 1:31:16
  universe without streaming music, streaming television and
• 1:31:21
  Is, you know, so I think that you talk about the the, to tie
• 1:31:25
  this all the way back. I apologize.
• 1:31:29
  My writings on his rambling readers and followers and so, to
• 1:31:35
  title back its, I think the Wikipedia stigma will also go
• 1:31:40
  the way of the e-book stigma that once a generation comes
• 1:31:45
  into play. It's All About who's in charge,
• 1:31:47
  right? The reason that that you that
• 1:31:51
  You were not allowed to use Wikipedia as a trusted Source in
• 1:31:54
  university is because of the fact that the people who are in
• 1:31:59
  charge said, so when your generation is, is the
• 1:32:03
  professors. And when my daughter is at
• 1:32:06
  University, then odds are Wikipedia, will suddenly become
• 1:32:11
  more accepted, you know, the the E, Burke the the concept of
• 1:32:16
  e-books initially, you know, we're falling flat originally,
• 1:32:21
  But my generation who often times gets referred to as the
• 1:32:27
  Oregon Trail generation because we grew up with computers,
• 1:32:33
  introducing into and becoming a bigger and bigger part of our
• 1:32:36
  world, you know? And like when you look at, when
• 1:32:39
  the candles came out, when the phones came out went in and came
• 1:32:41
  out for us for my generation, embracing ebooks has become a
• 1:32:46
  big thing and it's like to be able to turn around your parents
• 1:32:50
  and go look. You can increase the font size
• 1:32:52
  under my father probably reads, more ebooks than I do now.
• 1:32:55
  Yeah. And you know that it's I think
• 1:32:59
  it's the embracing of the technology.
• 1:33:01
  It's the playing the games. Listen.
• 1:33:02
  I mean, like I said, If This Were If This Were 20 years ago,
• 1:33:06
  Antares ascended would be probably like a email newsletter
• 1:33:12
  that I set up and Antares Arena. I would be doing as a tabletop
• 1:33:17
  role-playing game, you know, which I still think you should
• 1:33:20
  do by the way. Way.
• 1:33:21
  Oh, it's today definitely do that.
• 1:33:24
  If it takes only tempting, do it, do it.
• 1:33:27
  Yes. It's very, very tempting here.
• 1:33:29
  Hang out. I feel like to go, Danielle, I'm
• 1:33:31
  gonna need your help turning that into.
• 1:33:33
  I have a friend who used to, she owned a board game and
• 1:33:38
  role-playing Pub, and she is our dungeon master, holy remote,
• 1:33:45
  Dungeons & Dragons. She's one of the coolest humans
• 1:33:47
  on the face of the Earth and if I were ever to going to Turned
• 1:33:51
  into a tabletop game to like a true D&D style role playing
• 1:33:55
  game. She's the person who I need to
• 1:33:57
  leverage so and then I'll have to I'll let you know I'll slack
• 1:34:01
  you later and I'll let you know that I called you out in this.
• 1:34:05
  I see that kind of draws me on to something because one of the
• 1:34:09
  questions I had for you was kind of what your opinion of Science
• 1:34:14
  Fiction today is because as you were talking, they kind of
• 1:34:17
  reminded me of stranger things and how you know they're like
• 1:34:20
  playing. A Dungeons and Dragons and
• 1:34:22
  obviously the series itself is set in the 80s as the backdrop
• 1:34:26
  and everything. But like you know it as we said
• 1:34:30
  at the beginning of this episode you know, there's a lot of it
• 1:34:34
  was that nerdy guy. Don't want to put in that, it
• 1:34:36
  feels like such a negative word. It shouldn't be.
• 1:34:39
  It's, you know what I mean? Like, to me nerdy is it, is it
• 1:34:41
  like good thing. But anyway, there's a lot of
• 1:34:44
  that stuff prevalent in society now, especially in popular
• 1:34:47
  culture and I just kind of wanted to know, like, what's
• 1:34:50
  your opinion? You know, it's like we're
• 1:34:53
  science. Fiction is now and where do you
• 1:34:55
  think it's headed in the future? Where is it now?
• 1:34:58
  Um, there's a lot of content and I think the different streaming
• 1:35:03
  services, the the ability to self publish on Kindle patreon.
• 1:35:11
  There's so much ability to turn out stuff and like, there's some
• 1:35:16
  real crap out there. There's, there's some stuff that
• 1:35:20
  I've wandered by It's like I'll just take a flyer and I'll try
• 1:35:22
  and start watching something on Netflix.
• 1:35:24
  I'm like, no never mind, but there is such good stuff to the
• 1:35:31
  point where, like there are things that are on the Syfy
• 1:35:34
  network that have gotten retired that I'm like, why did you
• 1:35:38
  cancel that? I'm, you know, I'm part of a
• 1:35:42
  group who we're a little more silence these days because it's
• 1:35:46
  too far away from from from being able to be a reality to
• 1:35:50
  come back but You know, the show dark matter.
• 1:35:53
  I was stumping hard for season 4 to come back.
• 1:35:57
  You know, we talked about how we want our Firefly moment, you
• 1:36:01
  know, like give us our movie to wrap things up, you know, the
• 1:36:05
  I've heard that they may be redoing a re reimagined
• 1:36:10
  Battlestar Galactica, you know? The if you I luckily stumbled
• 1:36:16
  into John scalzi and this this great series that I've started
• 1:36:20
  reading that, That I'm plowing through and my wife.
• 1:36:23
  And I are both reading, Ready Player, 2 and eyes, are we doing
• 1:36:27
  right movie? Oh, dude, it's so, so the book,
• 1:36:31
  interestingly, the book for Ready Player 2, the sequel,
• 1:36:34
  which came out of my birthday. So thank you, Ernest, Cline.
• 1:36:37
  I know you did that on purpose. So, you know, it's, it was a
• 1:36:44
  little dark and start a little slowly and then holy crap.
• 1:36:47
  We are on the roller coaster, you know?
• 1:36:49
  And it's like there. There's I mean, Timothy Zahn,
• 1:36:52
  still put stuff out, and there's more thrawn stuff and, you know,
• 1:36:57
  like you go Pete, like I said, patreon gives some really,
• 1:37:00
  really cool things that some some well-respected authors can
• 1:37:04
  go and do their own thing. So, like, I support Michael a
• 1:37:06
  stackpole because he's a God and yet people don't seem to
• 1:37:11
  realize, you know, who he is. And and that's a shame to me,
• 1:37:14
  you know, and like with what comic books are doing it.
• 1:37:18
  I just, I think it's so great that there.
• 1:37:21
  So much available in to me it's you don't have to love
• 1:37:25
  everything you don't no one can say you're not a science fiction
• 1:37:28
  fan because you don't follow or you don't like your your it's
• 1:37:33
  just I I get annoyed by that. Right.
• 1:37:37
  And I think it's tremendous because every kind of sub-genre
• 1:37:43
  that you want to get into you like Space Opera there's
• 1:37:46
  something for you. If you like hard science
• 1:37:48
  fiction, military sites like there's Always something for
• 1:37:52
  you. Anybody who has watched altered
• 1:37:54
  carbon, it's like holy cow, you know, you get you get your
• 1:37:56
  twists and you get your weird stuff and you get your, you get
• 1:38:00
  your military. So I think science fiction today
• 1:38:03
  is it's excellent because of the fact that there is so much,
• 1:38:08
  there's a lot of really good stuff.
• 1:38:09
  There are a lot of people who you've never heard of who are
• 1:38:12
  building cult followings. I might be one of them for all I
• 1:38:15
  know, you know, and and there's the ability to debate, you know,
• 1:38:20
  edits Long as they don't get angry as long as you don't get
• 1:38:24
  violent, you know? But like there's good debates on
• 1:38:26
  Twitter. There's good debates on
• 1:38:27
  Facebook. There's good debates on on
• 1:38:30
  podcasts. And I think that that's, you
• 1:38:33
  know, I think that that's a really special thing that's
• 1:38:36
  happening now. And I hope it continues for a
• 1:38:38
  long time, couldn't agree more women, as we draw things to a
• 1:38:43
  close for today. Do you have any upcoming
• 1:38:45
  projects aside from the ones that we've discussed, or maybe
• 1:38:49
  some final thoughts that you'd like to share with us?
• 1:38:51
  Sure. So um, you know, I'm hoping to
• 1:38:53
  do some really, really fun stuff with Antares ascended.
• 1:38:57
  You know, if the game is funded, everybody go out there and do
• 1:39:00
  that. But you know if the game is
• 1:39:02
  funded then I think I'm going to do some really cool stuff with
• 1:39:05
  that and I hope to you know have it go well enough that the game
• 1:39:09
  itself could fund the construction of a second game
• 1:39:13
  because I have some other ideas in the universe, you know?
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  And I I may get back into like some comic style here is again
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  in the future. You know, I really dig that and
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  you know, we'll see, I just honestly, I'm drawing just so
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  much inspiration from watching the things through new eyes with
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  my daughter and answering her questions that, you know,
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  interesting new ideas, just germinate so quickly and it's,
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  you know, I mean, I can't I'm working with a guy named Thomas
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  Salerno, who I, you know, have started referring to his doctor
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  Salerno who's getting into some really great.
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  Great really interesting. You know, stuff that people
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  hadn't thought of and it's like oh man, you know, the fact that
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  he's allowed me to contribute anything to his stuff that, you
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  know, hopefully, he and I will collaborate at some point and
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  it's just, you know, I just want to keep on turning out fun stuff
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  that people will hopefully enjoy.
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  And I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to talk about
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  this stuff and so much else. Today it's been a lot of fun.
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  It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for agreeing
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  to be on the show for talking. With me for an hour about Star
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  Wars, I don't know. Absolutely.
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  But know all things, all things considered to everyone,
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  listening to everyone, watching the Christian we've podcast,
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  make sure that you go out and support this Kickstarter because
• 1:40:35
  I think Gary's done a really good job with this game of this
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  series. It's clearly very well thought
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  through and very structured like I didn't know what I knew
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  looking at it, that it was clearly, you know, some an
• 1:40:49
  original idea and You know, a lot of work has gone into it,
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  but I just didn't realize that quite how much until you laid it
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  out. And it's I am very surprised it
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  hasn't gained more traction already.
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  So I think it really just is a case of exposure at this point.
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  So each anyone listening, please go out their support support
• 1:41:09
  Gary with with this Kickstarter, let's try and get him to his
• 1:41:14
  goal and get him one on the way. It's making this a reality, but
• 1:41:18
  you can straight away support. Check out Gary stuff via
• 1:41:23
  patreon. At least the novel's sections.
• 1:41:25
  That's something that is ongoing regardless.
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  So that's definitely. Yeah and yeah just a big thank
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  you all around for being on the show.
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  My friend. Thank you.
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  Thank you sir. I really enjoyed it.
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  I hope you and everybody watching and listening have a
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  wonderful weekend and and I wonder behalf of holiday season
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  for whatever anybody celebrating.
• 1:41:46
  And to everyone watching or listening to the Christian Reef
• 1:41:49
  podcast, as always, let me know who you would like to see on the
• 1:41:53
  show. Next, let me know what topics
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  you would like to hear. And I don't know, we're
• 1:41:58
  approaching number 50. I think this is number 47.
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  So if you have anything in particular that you'd like to
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  see for that, very special 50th episode, let us know me and
• 1:42:10
  Dutch a working on it. We have some ideas but I'm not
• 1:42:12
  psychic. I don't know what you want.
• 1:42:14
  Let me know. Thank you very much for watching
• 1:42:18
  listening to the Christian we've podcast.
• 1:42:20
  And until next time peace out one love will see you in the
• 1:42:23
  next one.