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S1E38 - BONUS_ Not Forgotten_ A Christmas Update on the Ian Rogers Case(M4A_128K) · Luke's English Podcast

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Speaker 1: crime Podcast. I'm Melisa and I'm Michael, and this is
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Speaker 1: our special Christmas bonus edition. Marry Christmas, Michael.
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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas to you and for everyone who's listening.
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Speaker 1: It's been a really nice Christmas for me. This is
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Speaker 1: my first one where I run the air conditioner.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet you that's a bit different for you,
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Speaker 3: but running the air conditioner almost every year for me
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Speaker 3: is pretty typical.
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Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it very much. We have a lot to
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Speaker 1: talk about today.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this bonus edition is really just going to be
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Speaker 3: about Ian Rodgers.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but before we talk about Ian and the truck,
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Speaker 1: we do want to let everyone know that we have
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Speaker 1: We'll be putting a lot of our images from today's episode,
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Speaker 2: All right, so let's talk about the truck. Now.
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Speaker 3: Everyone knows that we found the truck that's been in
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Speaker 3: the news. We've talked about it on the podcast already.
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Speaker 3: But one of the things that's interesting is there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of detail and a lot of I don't know, misdirection.
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Speaker 3: Are just things misunderstood about how the truck was found,
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Speaker 3: where it was found, circumstances around the truck that we
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Speaker 3: would just want to make a little bit more clear
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Speaker 3: for the listeners. The way I think this makes the
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Speaker 3: most sense to talk about is to start with the
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Speaker 3: initial piece of information that we have, and that's the ping,
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Speaker 3: the phone ping. And we know that you know, everyone
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Speaker 3: who's watched, you know, early listened to the story, they've
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Speaker 3: seen the video likely that Britain put out with depths
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Speaker 3: of history, so we know basically where he was and
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Speaker 3: that he was going off the ping, and we have
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Speaker 3: those coordinates and that has already been shared. And what
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Speaker 3: was interesting about where that's located at is you start
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Speaker 3: thinking about the circumference of where that where the accuracy
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Speaker 3: would really be. What we've learned here is PING accuracy
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Speaker 3: when it comes to, you know, triangling the phone percentage.
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Speaker 2: A phone position.
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Speaker 3: Really depends a lot whether or not you're in an urban,
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Speaker 3: suburban or rural area. And the statistics around the rural area,
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Speaker 3: it's between one and six miles is where you would
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Speaker 3: want to search if you only had one point of reference,
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Speaker 3: and as far as we know, that's all we had.
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Speaker 3: What's interesting about where the truck was found is it's
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Speaker 3: exactly one point eight three miles away from where that
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Speaker 3: NULM PING.
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Speaker 2: Is located at.
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Speaker 3: So it really makes me question how thoroughly things were
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Speaker 3: investigated or reviewed. And in reality, we were told they
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Speaker 3: were drones center, we were told there was even possibly
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Speaker 3: a helicopters went up, and with the truck being one
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Speaker 3: point eight three miles away, it's really difficult to believe
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Speaker 3: that actually occurred. And if it did occur, how thorough.
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Speaker 2: Was that search?
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Speaker 1: And to clarify, I believe you're talking about a search
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Speaker 1: that would have happened when the ping information was received
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Speaker 1: by law enforcement.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when we talked about it before, we
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Speaker 3: kind of talked about, you know, why Britain was in
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Speaker 3: that area, what type of information he was following, And
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Speaker 3: it was the cell phone information that was received. I
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Speaker 3: think it was three months after his initial disappearance, and
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Speaker 3: that's what That's all we really had to go on
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Speaker 3: at the time.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and we do know that there was a delay
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Speaker 1: in getting that cell phone information. It should have actually
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Speaker 1: gotten into the hands of law enforcement much quicker. There
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Speaker 1: was some sort of issue, as we had discussed before
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Speaker 1: with the filing of the paperwork. So we're talking about
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Speaker 1: a delay and even getting this information. But now in
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Speaker 1: November they have this ping information and they should have
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Speaker 1: done a more comprehensive search.
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Speaker 3: Okay, now let's talk about why we think that there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of imagery we've been able to get our
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Speaker 3: hands on. It's available on the public internet. We're going
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Speaker 3: to provide links to that on our Facebook page, and
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Speaker 3: you'll be able to see very clearly Ian's truck. You'll
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Speaker 3: be able to see so well that you can even
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Speaker 3: tell the ladders are in the back of the truck.
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Speaker 3: That's how clear this image is, and based on what's
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Speaker 3: being built around it, you can tell that this image
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Speaker 3: was likely taken. We can't date it precisely, but it
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Speaker 3: was likely taken somewhere between the end of August and
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Speaker 3: the end of September. That's kind of the range that
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Speaker 3: we're seeing it based on a couple of piece of information,
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Speaker 3: one of which includes there's a certificate that we found.
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Speaker 1: Yes, there is a property being built out there, and
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Speaker 1: we learned that. I didn't know this, but when you
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Speaker 1: build a house, you have to follow all kinds of paperwork,
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Speaker 1: and one of them is called a certificate of commencement. Correct,
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Speaker 1: And we do know that the certificate of commencement was
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Speaker 1: issued in July of twenty twenty four to start a
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Speaker 1: build on a property that you can see in the
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Speaker 1: image of the truck. So we can tell.
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Speaker 3: What's not in the image of the truck, but it's nearby.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, you're right, it's not in the image on this website.
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Speaker 1: Once you find the truck, it's not really you can
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Speaker 1: take a screenshot. But also once you find the truck,
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Speaker 1: you can move around and see.
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Speaker 3: Different places, right, Yeah, and this will be clear on
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Speaker 3: the images that we provide on the Facebook page again.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and you can scroll then to try to find
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Speaker 1: a just if you're in that if you're from that area,
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Speaker 1: you can actually sort of see landmarkers and things that
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Speaker 1: look familiar to you. And that's where we can find plank.
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Speaker 1: But we also see this property where there is a
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Speaker 1: small like a trailer kind of thing, and this new
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Speaker 1: house that's going up, and so that's how we know
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Speaker 1: that this image was taken. Likely the truck has been
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Speaker 1: there since he disappeared or within three or four.
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Speaker 3: Weeks, correct. And there's some measurements here that become kind
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Speaker 3: of important, like law enforcement told us that this was
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Speaker 3: way off the beaten path, and I don't know if
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Speaker 3: I'm willing to use that as a definition, because when
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Speaker 3: you start doing measurements on this mapping this gis software,
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Speaker 3: what you're gonna find is the distance between like old
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Speaker 3: plank road and where the truck was found as the
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Speaker 3: crow flies, is point two to three miles, and if
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Speaker 3: you're walking, it's about I don't know, a point seven miles.
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Speaker 3: I'd go through to measure it precisely, but it's pretty
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Speaker 3: close to point seven miles. And if you look at
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Speaker 3: the ping and this is when it begets particularly interesting.
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Speaker 3: Just like I said before, it's one point eight three
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Speaker 3: miles and if you start talking about that aerial photography
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Speaker 3: and where they should have been searching, it's well within
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Speaker 3: the six mile range if it was really being searched.
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Speaker 3: And what's really also interesting about the image is it's
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Speaker 3: really clear in you know, I know we're looking at
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Speaker 3: it right now from a perspective of oh, we're looking
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Speaker 3: at from the air. We know what the interest taken.
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Speaker 3: But this thing sits out, sticks out like a sore thumb.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is not difficult to find. It's very simple,
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Speaker 3: it's very clear, and it's just really also very unfortunate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not in a covered area like off of
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Speaker 1: a road or a path like you it's very there
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be tree coverage at any time of the year,
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Speaker 1: because if we did think about that, you know, what
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Speaker 1: did tree coverage look like August versus February versus November,
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Speaker 1: different times of the year. But there is there wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be any tree coverage over where the truck has been
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Speaker 1: located for quite some time. So it's not like a
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Speaker 1: satellite would have gone by taken a picture, and it
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Speaker 1: would have been shrouded. It's going to be visible no
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Speaker 1: matter what time of year a picture is taken.
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Speaker 3: Something else that was notable about the image is since
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Speaker 3: you can clearly see the truck, you can also see
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Speaker 3: the orientation of the truck on the trail. And this trail,
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Speaker 3: this two rut road, I think we need probably call
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Speaker 3: it that because it's definitely you can tell vehicles go
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Speaker 3: up and down, even though interestingly enough, all the signage
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Speaker 3: in the area marks it as not open for any
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Speaker 3: kind of motorized vehicles. So anyway back to the point,
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Speaker 3: you can see the orientation the truck, and because of
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Speaker 3: that we can tell most likely where he came in from,
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Speaker 3: you know, the forest roads, and where he entered private property,
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Speaker 3: and where he was likely trying to get. Now we're
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Speaker 3: not sure why I chose that, especially once it started
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Speaker 3: to get soft, other than the fact that it's so narrow,
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Speaker 3: you can tell from the imagery that it most likely
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Speaker 3: would have been really difficult to turn around.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does look really lush in the satellite picture
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Speaker 1: and on that website that we've been using. And to me,
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Speaker 1: this is something that is new again for me, Like
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Speaker 1: when I think Florida. Like people who aren't from Florida,
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Speaker 1: I don't think about lush forest. That is definitely what
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Speaker 1: it looks like.
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Speaker 2: But there are.
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Speaker 1: Established roads and two wet roads. You're right, let's call
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Speaker 1: it the same. And it's easily to just backtrack, go
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Speaker 1: backwards from where we know the truck was, and you
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Speaker 1: can back it right out into more of those wider,
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Speaker 1: sort of light gravelly kind of roads and then right
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Speaker 1: on down into Old Plank State Forest.
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Speaker 3: Well, we'll be cole. You know, the people from Florida
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Speaker 3: are going to know that you're not finding gravelly roads
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Speaker 3: in that area.
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Speaker 1: Are they shells?
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Speaker 3: They're more likely going to be sandy roads or clay roads.
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Speaker 2: So let's be clear on that.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. So what we believe happened is the
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Speaker 1: truck traveled downtram, turned onto old Plank, and then turned
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Speaker 1: left onto Plank Grade, which is into Old Plank State Forest,
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Speaker 1: and then likely turned left past a sign that says
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Speaker 1: no motorized vehicles, made another left onto private property, continued
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Speaker 1: around kind of heading back towards it's old plank, but
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Speaker 1: then got stuck in the process of all that.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so now let's get into like Where did this
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Speaker 3: image come from? We already talked about it come from
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Speaker 3: the public Internet. And one of the ways we were
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Speaker 3: able to try to figure out where we should start
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Speaker 3: looking is when we watched the news report. Since we're
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Speaker 3: familiar with the area, we could tell precisely where the
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Speaker 3: original search that law enforcement is making on this day
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Speaker 3: was happening. So once we were able to figure out
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Speaker 3: that they're not going to get on ATVs, you know,
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Speaker 3: six ten miles away from this thing, they're going to
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Speaker 3: get it close to possible. So with those two reference points,
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Speaker 3: we were able to kind of triangulate where we should
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Speaker 3: be looking, and that's when we were able to find
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Speaker 3: this energy m hm.
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Speaker 1: And you're right, it wasn't very challenging. It was a
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Speaker 1: pretty easily to find spot, like right off of old
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Speaker 1: Plank where they were launching the searches. So that piece
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Speaker 1: of information, also, I think, in conjunction with where the
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Speaker 1: cell phone ping happened, really approximated where we started to
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Speaker 1: use Google Earth and other satellite imagery websites to locate
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Speaker 1: the precise location of the truck.
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Speaker 3: All right, now, let's talk about the actual terrain in
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Speaker 3: the area. We had an associate go out and kind
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Speaker 3: of check out the area and kind of get give
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Speaker 3: us an idea of what it looked like on the ground.
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Speaker 3: And one of the things that they indicated was how
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Speaker 3: dense the vegetation was around most of these areas. And
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Speaker 3: so the conclusion we drew from that was the fact
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Speaker 3: that assuming Ian was in the truck, we have to
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Speaker 3: make that assumption and the truck got stuck in that area,
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Speaker 3: it's unlikely that he would have gotten out and then
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Speaker 3: went off road at this point or off trail, because
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Speaker 3: it was so dense and came mind, we're talking about August,
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Speaker 3: so it'd be even denser than the time this person
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Speaker 3: was out there, as well as more riddled with snakes
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Speaker 3: and all kinds of other things. I wouldn't have wanted
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Speaker 3: to get into this really, really heavy stuff if I
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Speaker 3: had an option of other trails and other opportunities. And
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Speaker 3: what's interesting about that is he had lots of opportunities
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Speaker 3: that he could have gone directly forward and it would
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Speaker 3: have led him to old Plank Road. He could have
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Speaker 3: gone directly back, would have just backtracked from the place
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Speaker 3: he had already been and was notably less covered in
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Speaker 3: vegetation and easy to get out of even though it
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Speaker 3: would have been a longer walk. So there's a lot
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Speaker 3: of questions on is this an area that you could
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Speaker 3: become easily lost, and we're just not convinced that that's
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Speaker 3: the case. It doesn't seem like you could get lost
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Speaker 3: here when you factor those types of details in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we also understand that the walk from Old Plank
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Speaker 1: Road to the truck location is less than a mile,
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Speaker 1: and that's following the two ret road, which you can
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Speaker 1: see on the Google maps. So you're going a little
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Speaker 1: bit around this sort of circle landmark area, but it's
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Speaker 1: not far. So I can see that if someone got stuck,
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Speaker 1: they would just go forward.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: I have a really good sense of direction, and so
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Speaker 1: I could probably speculate if I were standing at the
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Speaker 1: spot and I had gotten stuck in this truck, I
12:55
Speaker 1: know I'm almost out, so I'm just going to go
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Speaker 1: ahead and go forward again. It's also, you know, summer, right,
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Speaker 1: we don't necessarily know exactly what time this is. There's
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Speaker 1: a possibility the sun was starting to go down, which
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Speaker 1: is also an indicator of directionality, so someone is probably
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Speaker 1: likely to walk out forward. And we also understand that
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Speaker 1: you don't have to walk too far to then hear
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Speaker 1: the traffic on the road.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's and let's keep in mind too, let's make
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Speaker 3: the assumption that he was walking along these roads. And
13:22
Speaker 3: let's even make another assumption that you know, he was
13:25
Speaker 3: let's say under the influencer, you know, some kind of
13:27
Speaker 3: detail like that, because we still haven't really talked about
13:29
Speaker 3: why he was in this area. And let's say that
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Speaker 3: he died, Let's say he died getting out, maybe odeed
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Speaker 3: or anything like that, he would have been found on
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Speaker 3: this two rough road. There'd be some kind of indication
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Speaker 3: of that, and that's just not the case.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, or leave a phone or keys or something. We
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Speaker 1: do know that there have been two days of searching
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Speaker 1: and to our knowledge, nothing was found. No phone, no keys,
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Speaker 1: no clothes, no sunglasses, we know he had sunglasses, no hat, nothing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have the indication at this point.
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Speaker 3: And let's they're holding back, which is possible that absolutely
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Speaker 3: zero evidence was found in the area of the truck
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Speaker 3: once it was located by law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Correct, So nothing in the truck indicating foul play, which
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Speaker 1: I read on one of the news reports, and nothing
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Speaker 1: around the truck or end, nothing on the roads forward
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Speaker 1: from the truck, or behind the truck or in this
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Speaker 1: one thousand feet search radius that would happen. We have
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Speaker 1: not heard of anything that has been collected as evidentiary.
14:27
Speaker 1: We've collected a lot of information about the location of
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Speaker 1: this truck. So the question is, how does this help
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Speaker 1: us to support Teresa and her search to find out
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Speaker 1: what happened to Ian.
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Speaker 3: Well, I would say now that we have this information,
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Speaker 3: this additional information, there's a lot of speculation that we've
14:42
Speaker 3: talked about in the past being lost in the woods
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Speaker 3: and maybe dying the woods, getting you know, just not
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Speaker 3: being able to find its way out. Looking at the maps,
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Speaker 3: understanding of the truck is, understanding the terrain, There's just
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Speaker 3: no way.
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Speaker 2: Feasibly that he would have been lost in the woods.
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Speaker 3: And if anything, this actually supports a little bit law
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Speaker 3: enforcement not continuing the search on you know, longer than
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Speaker 3: they did this time, because I think it's pretty clear
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Speaker 3: that he's not there when you consider there all these factors,
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Speaker 3: and I think that's part of their decision making. Now,
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Speaker 3: what's also part of the decision making was they chose
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Speaker 3: not to search this area to start with. And I
15:14
Speaker 3: would say that's I don't know embarrassing. I think it's
15:16
Speaker 3: pretty embarrassing when you consider all facts.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can conclusively say that that cell phone ping
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Speaker 1: information was received at the latest the end of November,
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Speaker 1: and we can conclusively say that that truck has been here,
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Speaker 1: been in that spot since September likely August twenty sixth,
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Speaker 1: and how close the actual truck is to that ping
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Speaker 1: and not finding that truck in November when they got
15:43
Speaker 1: that geolocation information is a travesty.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's so I know, people in the community
15:49
Speaker 3: are pretty upset that how this case has been handled,
15:51
Speaker 3: and I think they have the right to be upset.
15:53
Speaker 3: One of the concerns that I always have and we
15:56
Speaker 3: when we tell these stories, and that we keep seeing
15:59
Speaker 3: over and over is various people being marginalized. And I
16:04
Speaker 3: personally think, based on just the poor performance of law
16:07
Speaker 3: enforcement here that Ian Rodgers was marginalized. And you know,
16:11
Speaker 3: I think even if, again we said in the past
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Speaker 3: in other episodes, where even if people have made mistakes,
16:16
Speaker 3: even if they you know, have done things in their
16:19
Speaker 3: past that aren't necessarily things that we consider great or
16:22
Speaker 3: good at all, even things that have been harmful to themselves,
16:26
Speaker 3: it doesn't change the fact that this is person that
16:29
Speaker 3: has a family, has family, has friends, have associates that
16:33
Speaker 3: care about him and miss.
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Speaker 2: Him, and what they They won't know what happened.
16:36
Speaker 3: They won't know where he is, what happened, if he's
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Speaker 3: still alive, if he's if he's if he's not alive anymore.
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Speaker 3: They they have the right to know where their friend is.
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Speaker 1: And last to remember that there wasn't a time frame
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Speaker 1: between when people sort of thought maybe Ian was gone
16:52
Speaker 1: and when he was officially called in by Teresa as missing.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes in cases like this, several days go by or
17:00
Speaker 1: even weeks before someone will call in and say they're
17:03
Speaker 1: missing their loved one. That's not what happened here. It
17:06
Speaker 1: was the day, like the day that he didn't show
17:08
Speaker 1: up to work, that his boss went to Teresa's house
17:11
Speaker 1: and she put this in motion. So this is no
17:14
Speaker 1: fault of the family, because I have seen stories like
17:16
Speaker 1: this where people will point fingers at the family because
17:18
Speaker 1: while they didn't call it in soon enough or whatever,
17:21
Speaker 1: that's not what's happening here. This family did everything that
17:24
Speaker 1: they could in the immediacy of Ian not being at
17:27
Speaker 1: work that day and not coming home that night, and
17:30
Speaker 1: they were not supported in our opinion, in the way
17:34
Speaker 1: they should be by law enforcement. Let's talk about a
17:36
Speaker 1: call to action. So in the past we've talked about
17:39
Speaker 1: a call to action to the community, what do we
17:40
Speaker 1: need from the community, and a call to action to
17:42
Speaker 1: law enforcement. I'm just going to straight out say the
17:45
Speaker 1: community is doing a great job, fantastic job. Yes. I
17:49
Speaker 1: follow all of the WCTV posts about Ian's disappearance, all
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Speaker 1: of the WTXL posts, and all other news agency and
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Speaker 1: let me tell you what's happening down here in Walcala County.
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Speaker 1: People are questioning and commenting on what law enforcement has
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Speaker 1: been doing all over these pages. You know, they'll be
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Speaker 1: a post about Ian's truck being found, and people will say,
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Speaker 1: what do you mean so many months later? What is
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Speaker 1: going on? Why is this taking so long? Or hey, also,
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Speaker 1: can we please solve Jody Kilgore's homicide. So people here
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Speaker 1: in Wacola County are taking note and starting to and
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Speaker 1: may have always been on board, and I'm just recognizing
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Speaker 1: it more. Something else that kind of funny happened is
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Speaker 1: there was a Facebook post. I think it was supposed
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Speaker 1: to be sort of you know, in just sort of
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Speaker 1: ENLiGHT and it was an article about the shoe bandit
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Speaker 1: and you know who's the shoe bandit and who's taken
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Speaker 1: all these shoes? And there were several people who are like,
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Speaker 1: are we kidding? Like this is what the Wacolla County
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Speaker 1: Shri's office is doing. They're trying to find the shoe bandit.
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Speaker 1: Why don't they find what happened to Ian? Why don't
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Speaker 1: they figure out who killed Joe Kilgore? Turns out it's
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Speaker 1: a dog, right, So I get it, Like they thought
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Speaker 1: it was kind of funny, But people here they don't
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Speaker 1: think it's funny anymore.
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Speaker 2: They're not laughing, No, they are not.
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Speaker 1: So I just want to personally thank people in the
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Speaker 1: community and the neighboring communities who are on board with
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Speaker 1: us and calling out law enforcement and just asking for
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Speaker 1: them to just do a little better, Please do a
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Speaker 1: little better. Also, I have a concern with the amount
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Speaker 1: of communication that is coming to Ian's family. In particular,
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Speaker 1: it does feel like his mom, Teresa, is not necessarily
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Speaker 1: getting information in the way that we would like it to.
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Speaker 1: It seems like it's coming secondhand to her going through
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Speaker 1: someone else who frankly isn't even blood related to Ian.
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Speaker 1: Teresa is his next of kin, and we would just
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Speaker 1: like to know why she isn't the first to know
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Speaker 1: when these things are happening, and she's getting information from
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Speaker 1: someone else. So I would just like to specific fully
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Speaker 1: call out the well called Karen Sheriff's office and say,
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Speaker 1: can you please reach out to Teresa first? She is
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