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#7 Live from DynamicsMinds! 🖖🏼✨ · Unresolved Dependencies

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SPEAKER_01: I I think I'm okay.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm a bit dizzy.
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SPEAKER_01: Dominic's minds.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey.
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SPEAKER_01: See?
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SPEAKER_01: See?
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SPEAKER_01: And right.
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SPEAKER_01: We need to console when we're dressing in future, I think.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, apparently we have the same board up now because we're very slaves, we're slaves to corp always, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: What do you do?
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to new episodes of uh Unresolved Dependencies.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's what we're saying.
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SPEAKER_00: We're still here.
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SPEAKER_00: We're still alive.
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SPEAKER_00: We're still doing this of the last episode.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so your eardrums were your eardrums weren't burst yester yesterday evening then.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no, not yet.
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SPEAKER_00: Not yet.
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SPEAKER_00: Not yet.
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SPEAKER_00: Working on that very toughly, very hard.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I fight the band last night, the Stroz.
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SPEAKER_01: So interesting band with some interesting songs.
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SPEAKER_00: Um maybe, maybe first of all, for everyone who is like not watching on YouTube, you can maybe tell them where we are.
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SPEAKER_01: We are currently in Potoros in Slovenia at the very wonderful Dynamics Minds 2026.
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SPEAKER_01: Great conference.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, great conference.
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SPEAKER_00: And you're referring to last night's party because today is actually the second day of the conference, and we were so uh glad that we um could uh book sometime here in the media room for all the craters with like a lot of light, and it's not uh the case that it's outside 30 degrees, and I'm already um half ice cream high, half human at this point.
1:45
SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, we we could got the chance to um record a new episode for a podcast.
1:51
SPEAKER_01: But this is the amazing thing for the event about me.
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SPEAKER_01: Like the attention to detail is like crazy, like mirror, mirror mirror.
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SPEAKER_01: We just love you.
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SPEAKER_01: We love you so much.
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SPEAKER_01: Doc Mac, it's just everyone, all the Doc Center team, all the organizations, the attention to detail is just spot on.
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SPEAKER_01: This is this is why we keep coming back.
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SPEAKER_01: So we love you.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: And the parties, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: The parties are good, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So that band was interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: It was interesting, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: So so yesterday was first party.
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SPEAKER_00: Yesterday was the first day of Dynamics Minds.
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SPEAKER_00: I had a fucking set of free sessions.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I had two, so and and then I just had one, uh, my last one, just a few moments ago.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh, yeah, but first day, there's a party.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's start with the party.
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SPEAKER_00: It was good.
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SPEAKER_00: Important things first.
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SPEAKER_00: It was good.
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SPEAKER_00: It was an interesting band.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe you can elaborate a little bit about the band.
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SPEAKER_01: They called the Straws, the Straws.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, I'll put the link in the in the notes as well.
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SPEAKER_01: They they do a lot of like drummings like boom, boom, boom, boom, blah, blah, blah and weird songs about Berlin.
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SPEAKER_01: So, as a German, I'm sure you appreciate that.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I'm not sure.
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SPEAKER_00: So, did it was it was full instrumental, or did there was no singer, right?
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SPEAKER_01: There was sort of there were a few little instruments, but it was mainly just like blau drum stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I thought it was kind of cool.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh I I'll repeat the comments of one community member who will remain nameless to protect the innocent.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh his exact comments or their exact his okay, I've spoiled it already.
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SPEAKER_01: His exact comments at the end of this word.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'll start again.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, just tell his name.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll let the I just let this in.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't cut it a spot.
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SPEAKER_00: No, it's it's way too hard.
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SPEAKER_01: Make sure you could make sure you could.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'll give you the exact words of one community member who came to me afterwards about the band.
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SPEAKER_01: Their exact words were uh what do I have to be taking to consider this to be music?
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SPEAKER_00: So well it it was loud.
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SPEAKER_00: My my ears are still singing basically.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know how it's called in in in uh English English, but they're still singing.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I I already went to the gym today in the morning.
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SPEAKER_00: It's still like was there like my head was still vibrating.
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SPEAKER_00: So I am we're looking forward for the band tonight because there's award awards tonight as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Awards, yes, you might get lucky, who knows?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
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SPEAKER_00: For what should I get an award?
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SPEAKER_00: For uh consuming most beer tokens at the event or something?
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SPEAKER_00: For not with me for three days?
4:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean that's pretty that's a pretty big achievement.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so award will be not enough for that.
4:12
SPEAKER_00: But how was your session today?
4:14
SPEAKER_00: Because I missed it.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: Of course, you always miss my sessions.
4:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh you even miss the sessions if you're the co-speaker.
4:19
SPEAKER_01: Um so there's there must be I attended your session yesterday, and I was involved in your session that we were delivered yesterday.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you were involved in the session that we delivered yesterday.
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SPEAKER_01: I made I made a very important contribution.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's let's have that right.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, you you did the acting.
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SPEAKER_00: I did the acting.
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SPEAKER_00: I've been the colour always.
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unknown: Yeah.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, session today went very well, I think.
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SPEAKER_00: So yesterday I was a bit, to be honest, um, BTS content.
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SPEAKER_00: I was a bit um not frustrated, but a bit like questioning a little bit my session yesterday.
4:53
SPEAKER_00: Um so maybe to roll this out.
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SPEAKER_00: I had two perturbation sessions, which is very close to my heart, as you may know.
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SPEAKER_00: And um yesterday's was a beginner session, so I wanted to introduce people, um, make a um comparison with planner and perturbations, but I kind of didn't feel it uh during this presentation somehow because I was like I was more personally more involved into the two AI-based session I did before.
5:23
SPEAKER_00: So before we did our session together on like how I work on the power platform with AI versus how we did it many, many years in the past, and then I had another session with Nathan Sweeney from KPMG, where we talked about uh the differences in foundry and Copile Studio, which I think was a very good session, and for the first time we did it, so I still get like people coming up to me and say, hey, that was a great session.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's that's nice, and they had fun.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is like the most important thing for me that you learn something in my sessions, and as well, you have fun, you just have a good time for 45 minutes.
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SPEAKER_00: And I didn't have the feeling about that after my yesterday's last sessions, and now I I did the second project session today, and it was feeling way more better than so.
6:10
SPEAKER_00: I that good feeling was back.
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SPEAKER_00: I I don't know what was the issue yesterday, maybe it was just too much because I had like 9 a.m., 10am, and then 12.15 or something, as always for like 45 minutes, plus some questions, plus changing the room, running around, making sure demo is not broken, which was, but doesn't matter.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and all of that stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: So I I think maybe it was just too much back to back.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think pushing yourself too hard, you just yourself at these coming.
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SPEAKER_01: That was this is my mistake.
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SPEAKER_01: I've got a session today and a session tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_01: But uh anyway, speaking of things that you know only one person is is interested in, uh, we need to do Joe's travels, don't we?
6:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, let's go.
6:49
SPEAKER_01: We do, we do.
6:50
SPEAKER_01: So um we didn't have any answers since we published the podcast yesterday.
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SPEAKER_01: So fortunately, no shout-outs this time.
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SPEAKER_01: Um recording.
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SPEAKER_01: But remember, hello at unresolveddependencies.com.
7:00
SPEAKER_01: We would love to hear from you, or give you a nice little cheeky shout-out.
7:02
SPEAKER_01: There are still some vague promises or some gifts at some point, but uh yeah, we'll figure that out.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: You need to work on that down.
7:07
SPEAKER_01: But the answer was Ljubljana, City of Dragons.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that.
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SPEAKER_01: It's quite interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, I didn't know that as well.
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SPEAKER_00: And and a very nice airport, actually.
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SPEAKER_00: So the airport is like somewhere in the nature.
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SPEAKER_00: There is like a nice forest around it, nice little nature um view, including mountains.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very impressive.
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SPEAKER_00: It's such a beautiful country.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I really, really love Slovenia.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's fantastic.
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely is.
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SPEAKER_00: I I'd definitely plan to do some vacation here soon, and it would never come to this point where I say, Oh, yeah, I want to do vacation in Slovenia if it was not for Dynamics Minds to come here.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is it.
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SPEAKER_01: This is what these events give you, these great holiday destinations.
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SPEAKER_01: So Ljubljana was the answer.
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SPEAKER_01: So we've got a new clue for this week.
7:46
SPEAKER_01: So answers on a postcard or via email, probably that's better.
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SPEAKER_01: Hello at UnresolveDependencies.com.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna be in a place that's colloquially known as the City of Rain, surrounded by seven mountains, and is also famous for a wooden waterfront that's over 300 years old.
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SPEAKER_01: Where am I going to be next?
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SPEAKER_01: City of Rain must be close to Manchester, I think.
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SPEAKER_01: You it's closer to Manchester than where we are now, for sure, yeah.
8:13
SPEAKER_01: Well, you've got about server clues.
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SPEAKER_01: So hello at unresolved dependencies.com.
8:18
SPEAKER_01: We would love to hear from you.
8:20
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, see if you can guess where I'm gonna be next.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, I think again, I'm adamant that everyone is interested in this.
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SPEAKER_01: Certainly, I think Ulika's interested in this, I think, from what I heard on on the PowerPlatforms podcast.
8:34
SPEAKER_00: It's about the food.
8:35
SPEAKER_00: I was I I had something else in my sign.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so did you want to say what that was?
8:40
SPEAKER_00: No, okay.
8:40
SPEAKER_00: I guess the stays uh for uh for right now between Ulrika and us.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: What's the best thing you've eaten at the conference?
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SPEAKER_00: Let's go with that.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, the best thing I've eaten at the conference so far.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I just had burger because the um downstairs the restaurant uh was super full and loud, so we decided to go to the terrace and um go for burger, which was super delicious.
9:01
SPEAKER_00: So, first of all, that was good.
9:03
SPEAKER_00: Um the best thing I had, I think.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm pretty sure, um, was um they were pizza slices yesterday.
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SPEAKER_00: I think we're pizza though, did they?
9:14
SPEAKER_00: It was called something else.
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SPEAKER_00: It was called something else.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was pizza leo or pizza roa.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was pizza slices.
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SPEAKER_00: So without any kind of um uh like there was no like ham on that or something like that, or um anything else you would put in pizza, um, it was like margarita pizza, and they basically put um olive oil on top of that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that was incredible delicious.
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SPEAKER_00: And I had one with uh chili olive oil, and it's all like made in this area, and it's it was the same olive oil um you could buy at the store in the old town.
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SPEAKER_01: Ah, it's just good good olive oil country around here.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so and I also had the truffles oil with the with the little pizza, and this was my highlight.
10:00
SPEAKER_00: So the the chili oil was um incredible hot, and I'm not not not a spicy eater.
10:08
SPEAKER_00: I I would not survive in India with like regular food.
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SPEAKER_00: I I just always need to please noise spices, and then they laugh, and then I say netika.
10:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
10:19
SPEAKER_00: Natika.
10:20
SPEAKER_00: And see there you go.
10:23
SPEAKER_00: There's so many skills in this room.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and um yeah, but the tr uh triffle oil is is really outstanding.
10:31
SPEAKER_00: I'm glad I um I bought one.
10:33
SPEAKER_01: Uh aren't I supposed to be taking that back for you or something?
10:38
SPEAKER_01: He did this last year.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: He he check a bag and he just says, right, here you go, Joe.
10:41
SPEAKER_01: You take my shit and look after it for two weeks.
10:44
SPEAKER_01: I mean, this time I didn't check my bag on the flight here and we've still got my bag.
10:48
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
10:49
SPEAKER_01: We were waiting a long time and yeah, there was some I think you were just hungry.
10:53
SPEAKER_01: No.
10:54
SPEAKER_01: You need to be fed at regular intervals.
10:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe.
10:56
SPEAKER_00: I I just just didn't want to check my bag because I didn't want to wait, uh because I wanted to go as fast as possible to Port de Roche.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: Um but, anyways, we had to wait like an hour for your bag.
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SPEAKER_00: So but I will check my bag on a flight back, so you don't you don't need to take my lovely olive oil.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I bought two bottles.
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SPEAKER_00: Nice.
11:16
SPEAKER_00: I just don't remember what the second one is, to be honest.
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SPEAKER_00: It is very good olive oil here.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: It's incredible.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
11:23
SPEAKER_01: So tell everyone about the keynote yesterday.
11:25
SPEAKER_01: How on a scale of one to ten, one being completely straight lace, ten being out of this world, wacky, whatever you rate it.
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SPEAKER_00: So literally, it was out of this world.
11:35
SPEAKER_00: Out of this world, so it was literally out of this world.
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SPEAKER_00: The production value is so incredible high.
11:41
SPEAKER_00: So keynotes at Dynamics Minds are not keynotes, they're they are like a movie, it's like a full, full production team, I think.
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SPEAKER_00: There are like at least like 500 people involved, it must be because like there is it's like you're sitting in a theater or something, and say I like most the uh opera singer.
12:00
SPEAKER_00: She was amazing, and I was sitting front row.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't I I couldn't see half of the slides, which is it's quite sort of fifth element, it was how it's described to me.
12:09
SPEAKER_01: Well, like that, you know, that scene with that alien opera.
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SPEAKER_00: A little bit, yeah.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so so this I I couldn't see everything from the screens, but it was not not that not an issue because most of the Microsoft content was kind of AI really AI generated videos, and I really really didn't like them.
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SPEAKER_00: So with the voiceover as well and things.
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SPEAKER_00: No, it was like just loud music and they were talking over it, and like no, it's I don't want to go into detail about this because I really didn't like it, and maybe there was a good intention behind that, but it it looked like quite sloppy to be honest.
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SPEAKER_00: So I but this should not drag down any kind of the experience of the whole keynote itself, because everything around that was was pretty amazing, and the the idea was great, the whole space stream we do have with Star Trek and um all of the different if you see it on YouTube of the different um UFOs.
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SPEAKER_00: What is it called in UFO UFO an identified line object?
13:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh in German it's just just UFO.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: Ufo there's not like a like a there's no like a 60 let 60 word name.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean there's ramshift.
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SPEAKER_00: Of course, of course it is.
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SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, so so that that that's all great.
13:22
SPEAKER_00: That was fantastic.
13:23
SPEAKER_00: Also, Donna's part, I think um, we mentioned her last time already, um, was was pretty good.
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SPEAKER_01: So we we should always Donna's keynotes are always like really great in terms of she makes it engaging, she makes it brings it down to like the level that okay, yeah, yeah, I get I get that I get what you're saying about this, so I'm gonna talk to you about it in that sort of way, and she always gives good homework as well.
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SPEAKER_00: So yes, and uh yeah, she gave us some homework for learning, so we're sorry, I need to learn a lot now.
13:52
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for that.
13:52
SPEAKER_00: I'm not busy at all, so I have time for that.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, your key message was like that we should humanize us well with all of these agents and uh focus on the impossible.
14:02
SPEAKER_00: And I think this is a great, great approach.
14:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I like that as well.
14:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but overall, keynote always an experience at Damix Minds.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so I from the first time I was here, um, it was truly something special.
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SPEAKER_00: You can't really compare it to every keynote other keynotes.
14:17
SPEAKER_00: So really great, great job again.
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SPEAKER_00: Um shootout to Mira and the whole team and as well the committee for making us speak here, yeah.
14:26
SPEAKER_00: Forcing us here.
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SPEAKER_01: So another another one and a half days to go.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: I've got a session this afternoon on App Insights.
14:32
SPEAKER_01: You're all done now, though.
14:33
SPEAKER_00: I'm done now.
14:34
SPEAKER_00: I have speed mentoring later on.
14:35
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
14:36
SPEAKER_01: So you can get you can get speed mentored by this guy.
14:38
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, I you could be you could be this.
14:41
SPEAKER_00: You could be better.
14:41
SPEAKER_00: That that's that's a nice thing.
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SPEAKER_00: You could be better than me, so which is not hard.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: So you you just get her.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: So you just just just apply it.
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SPEAKER_00: Just show just I I will tell you everything.
14:53
SPEAKER_00: I I have no filter on that.
14:55
SPEAKER_00: So I will tell you every secret I have.
14:58
SPEAKER_01: That's they that's they that's very dangerous.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: That's very dangerous, yeah.
15:02
SPEAKER_00: Almost every project operation secret.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: No, I can't.
15:07
SPEAKER_00: There are some under NDA, which I'm not gonna do.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: Ah, okay.
15:10
SPEAKER_00: Because there are big I thought about this in today's session actually to talk about like something that's pretty pretty unknown, but I'm not really allowed to talk about it.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and NDAs are usually legally enforced and have severe consequences.
15:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you may not you may not be aware of this.
15:24
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm I'm literally always thinking that everything is under NDA, so I just look I look it up before my session to see okay, is there an official source for that?
15:32
SPEAKER_00: And then I will talk about it.
15:33
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's it's it's it's it's a fun line we have to cross sometimes.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: It's like um okay, having to sort of say, okay, don't do that.
15:44
SPEAKER_01: Can't say why, but don't do that.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's it.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it ends up being how how are your sessions?
15:50
SPEAKER_00: Do you have one more?
15:51
SPEAKER_01: Well I've got one this afternoon.
15:52
SPEAKER_00: I I think the the first session you did on Monday morning.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: This was great, right?
15:56
SPEAKER_00: And how because you were there and you closed it.
15:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so so that was all good.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: We had the second session yesterday on fabric and dataverse, so yeah, had some good questions and engagement there.
16:04
SPEAKER_01: We've got one this afternoon on App Insights, which I need to just go and do some always some last minute prep for.
16:09
SPEAKER_01: And then tomorrow I've got the session with Daniel Laskowitz on MTP and three ways it can change your life.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: Oh nice.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: That three ways to change my life.
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unknown: Okay.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: Change your life, yeah.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: We we we we set the bar really high.
16:24
SPEAKER_01: Whether we're gonna hit that bar is another question.
16:26
SPEAKER_01: But the the interesting thing is that the uh gives a good opportunity to talk about some of the skills and also some of the configuration.
16:33
SPEAKER_01: There are a few little uh gotchas with MCP configuration in Dataverse in terms of like allow clientless, have to enable some features.
16:41
SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, hopefully we'll be able to share some of the things.
16:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, usual.
16:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's always there's always some, I'm assuming, magical SQL Server store procedure script that runs behind the scenes that magically fixes things.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: So definitely.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, I can directly attach to that because um, for people listening and attending the conference and attending our session on Monday, um, there was an issue during our demo or to my part of the demo where the um sorry just for the demo, um I wanted or I I tried uh with GitHub Copilot and our custom-made skill.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: We I think we talked about skills before, but so if you're um regular listener, you know what skills are.
17:24
SPEAKER_00: And if not, you can go back and listen to the episode, and you definitely need to look into that.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: Um and this skill was like defined that okay, you need to plan out um an application and a solution on power apps.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, you need to um create different tables, views, forms, stuff like that.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: Put everything into a solution, and then create a code app on top of that for a nice interface.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: So everything automated, um, runs free, um, all good.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh runs as well fine during my prep and so on, but during the the session itself, it failed absolutely.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: And um, I figured it out now why it was the case.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: So the issue was um that dataverse mcp by default, so the skill forces dataverse mcp and pack CLI and nothing else.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: Because in theory, um it could have worked as well by not using dataverse mcp.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: In this case, it would have created the um solution XML and the customization XML files locally on my machine, um, sub it up to solution and import it through the PAXCLI.
18:28
SPEAKER_00: So it would be enough to work around if you don't use a skill, for example.
18:32
SPEAKER_01: Which is this myself with the data for skills, it will go off and either write some Python code or if it can't do it directly, right?
18:39
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I I know how the form XML definition kind of looks.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna create that locally, I'm gonna bundle it up and import it.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: And it it's good in a way because it goes for that iteration, oh, this failed.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: Oh, let me try this instead.
18:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, this failed.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: That's the agentic thing I like about GitHub Copilot a lot because it it will figure out a way in in terms of okay, what can I all this product can I do?
19:00
SPEAKER_00: It in some cases it even goes via Azure and then kind of forces forces itself therein.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: So as long as you know what you're doing, it it's it's pretty good that um it will find a way of work around.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: If you like the workaround or not, that's on your side.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: You need to decide.
19:15
SPEAKER_00: You're the human in the loop, you are the guy who um order women to kind of figure this out.
19:21
SPEAKER_00: But in my case, in the scale I defined, do not use any Python, only use MCP, the Dataverse MCP and PAXLive for everything.
19:30
SPEAKER_00: So because I wanted to force it to use Dataverse MCP because it's much more efficient and it's faster, you only have a certain amount of time in a demo.
19:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, the issue was that the solution it has created was not the preferred solution.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: And if it's not the preferred solution, the dataverse mcp takes the prefix of the default publisher of the environment.
19:53
SPEAKER_00: The skill defines a new publisher, creates a new publisher for the new solution, which absolutely makes sense.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: So you have publisher A for the solution, and you have the default publisher for your for your environment.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: So what happens now is the dataverse mcp picks up the um default publisher, um, looks at the solution, says there's another publisher, and then combines both of them.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: So you have this little um CR48CD publisher underscore, and then I had done it's mines, which is which is short than DM, and then DM and then score, and then the table name.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: And then it complains about it about that within my validation because my validation says this is how the table's given name should look like, and it does not have two publishers for sure.
20:38
SPEAKER_01: So hasn't it always been a long-standing thing in Dataverse that okay, you can't if you've got an unmanaged solution with a certain publisher, you can't go in and add components.
20:46
SPEAKER_01: I mean it's an unmanaged solution, so yeah.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: I've I just seem to record there was some issue there.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: Okay, if you go in and try and do another publisher on top, like a go, like it's new, you wouldn't wouldn't be new underscore, new underscore is the table name, then you go in and try and do a field in that new underscore table in that solution with another publisher, that's where you get errors.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: I could have sworn I've seen that before.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: Maybe I don't know.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: It's been a while, it's been a long time.
21:07
SPEAKER_00: Not the issue I have, because the issue then is that it it does not so my validation check fails.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: I have a validation check in my in my skill to make sure that everything works well.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: So I definitely should do this as well.
21:19
SPEAKER_00: That you have some um evolts basically to review what happens.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: And so that fails, and then it goes into leap that it fails over and over again, and then at some point it just quits and just um says, Okay, I can't do this, I'm very sorry.
21:34
SPEAKER_00: And um now I I figure out, thanks to Daniel Oscillates as well, that um if I set my solution to preferred solution, it just runs for smoothly.
21:45
SPEAKER_00: So it just works totally fine.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, I already published the scale as we speak on uh my private GitHub.
21:53
SPEAKER_00: I will double check that everything is fine again the next days and then set it to public, and as well put the link.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Link in the description of this um podcast.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: We're just the gift that keeps on giving, you know?
22:05
SPEAKER_00: We're just a gift to the community.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: Exactly, yeah.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: That's why we convert um peer tokens into peer tokens.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: So I want to talk about exams.
22:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
22:14
SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
22:15
SPEAKER_01: Some new interesting exams.
22:16
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of change happening at the moment around the Microsoft exam sort of landscape.
22:19
SPEAKER_01: You may have seen some of the newer A B exams coming out now.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: A lot of retirement, some of the older exams, like the MB and PL exams, are kind of going away.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: PL400, I think, is probably going to be the only remaining one at this point.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
22:30
SPEAKER_01: Which is going to be kind of interesting.
22:31
SPEAKER_01: So let's see.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: But there's a few ones out in beta at the moment, which I'm in the process of kind of sitting myself.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: Worth checking out, perhaps.
22:38
SPEAKER_01: AI200, which is uh Azure AI Cloud Developer Associate.
22:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you've also got AB210 accelerating sales pipeline with AI in Dynamics 365.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: I sat that one on Friday, I think it was.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: And then SC730 Cybersecurity Business Professional.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh, so there's a lot of new kind of AI-focused exams.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: Um, when you sit the exam, you can't talk about the contents.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: It's all under NDA, so can't really go into specifics around it, but it's definitely a I think I need to go back and for sure look at some of the more newer co-pilot stuff and the more lower-level detail stuff because what I thought was there last year, particularly for things like the sales module, has evolved quite considerably in terms of sales researcher agent, yeah, yeah, sales close agent, the different scenarios where you use it and stuff like that.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: So it's not going to be a case that you can just sort of I've got a feeling I might fail it, but let's just say.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: But I I don't think you can walk into these exams and just hope that okay, because you've been working the sales module for 20 years or whatever.
23:38
SPEAKER_01: 20 years must be 20 years.
23:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, maybe.
23:41
SPEAKER_01: Um 15, maybe 15, yeah.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 15 yeah, 15, 20, yeah, who knows?
23:45
SPEAKER_01: Um my max is never my strong suit.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: So, but you can't just walk in and assume you actually need to go and prepare.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: You can't YOLO this stuff, basically.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: You have a strong suit.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: I I seem to somehow pass these exams.
23:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's still a miracle to me.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: It's either I'm either very lucky or there's maybe some grain of genius kind of that's unlocked under pressure situations.
24:09
SPEAKER_01: I mean, because with the exams, you sat there.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: If you ever sat a Microsoft exam at home, you've got the camera on, you've got some anonymous person from Pearson who's watching you during the exam, you've got to show them your room and everything like that.
24:23
SPEAKER_01: So it could be a fun, it must be fun working for them.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: The stuff that they may see when they're doing that you just see you just see like the most randomest thing on somebody's table, like uh Yeah.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: It's such such a weird experience.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: So for me, it's very uncomfortable.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: I then you need just well to clean up everything around you that's and they're using AI now to detect things.
24:41
SPEAKER_01: Really?
24:41
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, because I had to I usually have a monitor on my screen.
24:44
SPEAKER_01: I usually uh we'll just unplug it, switch it off.
24:47
SPEAKER_01: But now when you take the photos and you scan it, it goes, Oh, you've got a monitor there.
24:50
SPEAKER_01: Can't let you proceed.
24:51
SPEAKER_01: So you have to take the monitor off the desk.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so that's crazy.
24:56
SPEAKER_01: Exams are fun.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: Um but you have a whole room just to take your exam.
25:00
SPEAKER_01: Exactly, yeah.
25:00
SPEAKER_01: So I'm sitting one more of the B2 exams.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: I think it's the I think it's one of the dynamics ones, I think, next week.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: So see how we go.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: But I I think I'll pass.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, because you were talking about the Sales Researcher Agent, um, which is previously known as Project of Here.
25:19
SPEAKER_00: Also got some new new new features.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: So I cannot elaborate more, but um there's space.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: There's more to come there.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, they're actively working on that, and I think it's um especially for insights from like a manager perspective, super helpful.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, gives you a lot of details on like so what is currently the hot stuff inside your environment.
25:41
SPEAKER_01: Hot stuff, baby.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: Looking for some hot stuff.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: No, okay, yeah.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: This guy's no fun, honestly.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm German.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: I already told you Germans like to party.
25:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: When did you go to bed last night?
25:58
SPEAKER_01: I went to bed after the band because I had to be up today.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: I was doing training this morning, so that's fun.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: So before four o'clock in the morning.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: But a pro a pro tip, um Heineken Zero here, they've got this year, so they've got 0% beer.
26:13
SPEAKER_01: No, you choke them for it.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
26:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but what I gave.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: And I think and I think the guy got sick of seeing me because I came up once, he gave me one, he took my token, came back, said no token, gave me a second one, came back a third time, he's just like four of them.
26:30
SPEAKER_00: This is like the just like Oh, to be honest, this is like the the um the girl at the um beer bar last year, but like at some point I was just like, Hey, here it's me again, I need four beers, and she was like, Yeah, so and it happened yesterday as well because like yesterday, um when the band uh closed, I was okay um with some some friends and and colleagues there.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: So I was asking um the fellowship around me, do you want something?
26:59
SPEAKER_00: I go back, I get one more beer, and then I go back to my bed because I have a session on the next day.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: I still need to make up my mind.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: I was still struggling with the experience I had in the earlier proliferation session, and I as well wanted to go to the gym this morning, um, which I actually did.
27:14
SPEAKER_00: So um your car is safe back in the oh yeah, make sure you give me those keys because I'm not gonna be able to get back to the airport without yeah, the keys.
27:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's let's see what works.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll discuss this off the offline.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um yeah, sorry, I did the gym.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: I just want to say that, but then I will ask me.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: Well done, well done.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: You did the gym.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: Well done.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: Thanks, thanks.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: You went with Mel, didn't you?
27:36
SPEAKER_00: Huh?
27:36
SPEAKER_00: You went with Mel, didn't you?
27:37
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, I get it.
27:39
SPEAKER_00: Yes, new gymbour, yeah.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: Someone to rely on, I can trust on.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, sorry, what I want you to say.
27:45
SPEAKER_00: I I was just asking her on, say, some people want a beer, so I yeah, just get four.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: I can handle four.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: So I go back.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: Hey, I had uh I would like to have four beers, and she was like looking at me, you're sure.
27:57
SPEAKER_00: I was like, yeah, and then yeah, let's see how this um continues to fight.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: Did you look drunk at all?
28:02
SPEAKER_01: Was she maybe not worried that you'd had enough?
28:04
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm German.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: German people can still get drunk.
28:08
SPEAKER_01: You can't you can you can't, you know, biology is not resistant to not not say the beers are very small.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: So you say for everyone, so I I I'm usually not drinking a lot, um, and I'm not like drinking regularly or something, so I don't have any alcoholic problem, I say.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: I drink like I don't know, three times a year or so.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: Um so they're like, if you're watching the YouTube, they're like this.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: So it's uh small cup of beer.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: Kliny beer, yeah, it's a small cup.
28:34
SPEAKER_00: I think it's like 0.0, yeah, baby cook, like yeah, yeah, it's it's really small.
28:38
SPEAKER_00: So sorry, four beers is like really not much um for one person over the whole evening.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: And no, but I just got him back, and then I will see how this will escalate tonight.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this guy's gonna this guy's gonna party for sure.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: So let's see.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I need just to have three beers to be social.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: That's the main issue.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: So we'll socially awkward.
29:02
SPEAKER_00: I'm just a nerd at this point, so you are socially awkward.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is if if you think we're awkward watching with Nathan, honestly.
29:09
SPEAKER_01: That was just like I think I'm starting to realise maybe it's a problem with him rather than me, which is quite satisfying.
29:14
SPEAKER_01: So weren't you entertained?
29:17
SPEAKER_01: I was entertained, it was a very good session, actually.
29:20
SPEAKER_01: You see, that's all part of it.
29:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:23
SPEAKER_01: Although I think you did spend a bit too much time talking about Copilot Studio.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
29:30
SPEAKER_01: You don't like Copilot Studio, so it's just because I want to see the Foundry stuff because that's what I'm interested in at the moment.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: So there is a full session on Foundry with Nathan right after this recording, so we happily can go there together, because I will be there.
29:41
SPEAKER_01: I've got calls and I've got I craft my session.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: I think Cold is gonna strangle me.
29:46
SPEAKER_01: So if I'm not alive next time we do this podcast recording, then you know the reason why.
29:50
SPEAKER_00: You see, he always dismisses my invitations.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: So let's see how unresolved this will continue.
29:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I think that's a good that's a good time to to end it.
30:01
SPEAKER_01: You know, just just you know, just the episode, guys.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: The episode, not oh yeah, the episode, yeah.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're doing this shit every until the end of time now.
30:11
SPEAKER_01: This is your remember, this is your idea, so yeah, because yeah, like the sessions we do together is also my ideas.
30:19
SPEAKER_01: I came up the workshop.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: Well I we're doing a workshop later this year.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: How are you done?
30:23
SPEAKER_01: I did I did all the work for it in terms of preparing it, and we need to start thinking about that, actually.
30:28
SPEAKER_00: You already prepared a workshop.
30:30
SPEAKER_01: We need to start preparing it.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: So if you thought about preparing the workshop, I prefer the title in the abstract, didn't I?
30:37
SPEAKER_00: No.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: It's uh is it a project operation from zero to hero?
30:41
SPEAKER_01: No, it's the um agentic.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, okay.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: This is what uh what you have done.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I have done something, see.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, even you can see it.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: You get like one star on your table, I have 500,000, you have no freight.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: Alright, cool.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: Then thank you so much for listening.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: Thank you again for Damx Minds um for having us here at the media room.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for making this possible.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, Mira, for everything.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: It's incredible.
31:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, and as well, thank you, and shootout to Nathan for having the session together.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, really nice guy.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: Go check him out if you not have not yet.
31:20
SPEAKER_00: Really knowledgeable guy.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: And shootout to Joseph, who is sitting this for for the last 45 minutes.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:27
SPEAKER_00: Or 30.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: I have lost.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: We've lost track of time.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: It's all right.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go back to the event, have some fun, have some more um nice sessions in front of us, more learning, more connecting with people, more socializing.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can make that.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: See you then in two weeks when we are back home, hopefully.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: So I will be home, I think.
31:50
SPEAKER_00: Don't worry.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: I'll also be home actually.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, cool.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, see you next time.
31:54
SPEAKER_00: Did we have like one session session where you were home?
31:58
SPEAKER_00: At least one.
31:59
SPEAKER_00: At least two episodes.
32:00
SPEAKER_00: One, okay, not bad.
32:02
SPEAKER_00: See how we remember speaking.