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Texas A&M Student Steps Out Barefoot for Uber Eats Order, VANISHES: Where is Caleb Harris? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace twenty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: How can just twenty minutes change your whole life?
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  Speaker 1: How does a boy step outside.
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  Speaker 2: Barefoot to get his Uber eights and he's never seen again?
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  Speaker 1: I need to see Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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  Speaker 2: and on Serious xem one eleven.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to Rachel Banea.
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  Speaker 3: When Caleb Harris's roommates begin their day, they open the
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  Speaker 3: front door to find the Uber eats food Caleb heet ordered.
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  Speaker 3: Still at the door, the roommates started looking for Harris.
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  Speaker 3: At eleven am, the roommates file a missing person report
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  Speaker 3: with police and notify Texas and them Corpus Christi campus
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  Speaker 3: security as well that Harris is missing. At three pm,
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  Speaker 3: parents Randy and Becky Harris are told their son is missing.
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  Speaker 3: Randy Harris headed straight for Corpus Christy And.
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  Speaker 2: What does Randy Harris Keelb's dad have to say about this?
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  Speaker 1: Listen, this is not normal.
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  Speaker 4: This is not This is a different situation where you know,
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  Speaker 4: Caleb disappeared, vanished, just so many things that just don't
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  Speaker 4: add up, especially at three in the morning, you know,
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  Speaker 4: but he was planning a lot of stuff. It wasn't
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  Speaker 4: like he wasn't going anywhere. I mean, he was planning stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what is odd about the whole case.
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  Speaker 2: This young A and M student is gone, seemingly vanished
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  Speaker 2: into thin air, and.
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  Speaker 1: We all know something is off.
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  Speaker 2: When you order Instacart or Uber or door Dash, your
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  Speaker 2: food doesn't sit on your front porch all night long
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  Speaker 2: for your roommates to find it the next morning. There
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  Speaker 2: is a critical twenty minutes, critical twenty minutes that this
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  Speaker 2: boy scrubbed in Sunshine disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we know? Right now? Where is Caleb?
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  Speaker 2: Right off the bat, I want to go straight out
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  Speaker 2: to Kellub's dad, but first I want to give you
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  Speaker 2: a tip line three six one eight eight six two
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  Speaker 2: eight four zero. There is a reward repeat three six
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  Speaker 2: one eight eight six two eight four zero. And now
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  Speaker 2: to Kill's father, Randy Harris joining us. Mister Harris, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us. I can't even imagine what
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  Speaker 2: you are going through you and your wife. My son
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  Speaker 2: went missing inside a Giant Baby's or US warehouse store
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  Speaker 2: when he was about three, and just those moments until
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  Speaker 2: I find found him I'll never forget it the rest
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  Speaker 2: of my life.
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  Speaker 1: And you have been living with this.
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  Speaker 2: Since Caleb seemingly disappeared on a foggy night. I want
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  Speaker 2: to start at the beginning with you. When did you
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  Speaker 2: find out something was wrong?
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  Speaker 5: Well, we texted back.
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  Speaker 6: And forth quite a bit, and so you know, the
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  Speaker 6: next morning, typical Monday morning, maybe he slept in late
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  Speaker 6: whatever and getting ready for school round ten thirty and so,
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  Speaker 6: no big deal. And then we got a call from
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  Speaker 6: the roommates. They called my wife and she immediately called me.
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  Speaker 6: I was working south of town, and so I got
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  Speaker 6: down here as quick as I can, and that kind
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  Speaker 6: of started everything off with meeting with the police again.
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  Speaker 6: They were there within five minutes of me arriving, and
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  Speaker 6: you know, took the report again for the end, immediately
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  Speaker 6: raised it to a missing.
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  Speaker 2: Person's How could he just vanish? What do we know?
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  Speaker 2: Tell me some more about Caleb. He's a student at
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  Speaker 2: A and M.
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  Speaker 1: What is he study? Where does he live? What year
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  Speaker 1: is he in school?
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  Speaker 6: Two and a half years into school, he's studying environmental science. Definitely,
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  Speaker 6: just absolutely loves the outdoors, loves fishing, loves hunting. Really
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  Speaker 6: got into duck hunting the last couple of years, and
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  Speaker 6: he just loves all the clothes, wants to be sponsored.
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  Speaker 6: He's gonna get his kayak guide license to be able
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  Speaker 6: to help people that buy kayaks that really don't know
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  Speaker 6: how to outfit them and what to put on them
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  Speaker 6: and what to do.
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  Speaker 5: And so you know he's going to do that.
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  Speaker 6: Getting ready to go to work in Colorado this summer,
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  Speaker 6: just a lot of stuff. He had texted me that evening.
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  Speaker 6: You know, some fishing lures he's going to use the
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  Speaker 6: next day. He's very methodical about species of fish he's
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  Speaker 6: going to go fish for. He doesn't just throw a
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  Speaker 6: shrimp on a hook. Very very calculated of what he's
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  Speaker 6: going to do. And that's that was. That was the
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  Speaker 6: night before and he was ready to go over the
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  Speaker 6: next day and the.
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  Speaker 2: Van to Doctor Jeff Kalashevski joining US forensic psychologists, author.
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  Speaker 1: Of Dark Sides.
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  Speaker 2: You can find him on YouTube at doctor Jeff Kalashewski.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff, thank you for being with us. You know,
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  Speaker 2: when someone just seemingly walks away into the fog, we
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  Speaker 2: wonder why that's not what happened here.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't just walk away. Think about it. Doctor Jeff.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody doesn't order their DoorDash or their uber eats and
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  Speaker 2: just decide, Hey, I'm gonna walk out into nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: That didn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: He was excited about fishing the next morning, about his
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  Speaker 2: plans to move to Colorado for a job over the summer.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no sign ever of depression, of any kind
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  Speaker 2: of emotional.
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  Speaker 1: Problem, great grades, just living the life. Doctor.
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  Speaker 2: This guy did not disappear on his own. I would
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  Speaker 2: stake everything.
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  Speaker 7: On it, writ in cases like this. A lot of times,
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  Speaker 7: right people wonder about suicide. But it's the idea that
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  Speaker 7: you rule a lot of these things out if there
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  Speaker 7: aren't mental health issues, if they're in a history of
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  Speaker 7: significant impulsive behavior, then you wonder about accidents. Those happened too.
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  Speaker 7: I've lived in college towns where it seems like the
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  Speaker 7: same accidents happened at the same place around these towns,
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  Speaker 7: for example, kids flying in the river, So that.
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  Speaker 8: Is a potential option.
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  Speaker 7: And then what it would leave after that was the
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  Speaker 7: possibility of some type of abduction or kidnapping.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Dotter Jeff Kalshewski, can I just stop you right there?
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  Speaker 2: He did not go out on his little stupe at
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  Speaker 2: his apartment where he shared his off campus apartment with
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  Speaker 2: his roommates. He didn't step out there to get his
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  Speaker 2: Abra eights and fall on the river.
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  Speaker 1: That did not happen. Okay, I want you to rethink
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  Speaker 1: that now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm certainly no MD, much less a psychologist, but I
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  Speaker 2: know that much when I go out the door to
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  Speaker 2: pick up uber EIDs, I'm not going to fall in
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  Speaker 2: a river.
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  Speaker 1: An accident, an accident, you gotta rule it out. Yeah, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I can rule out suicide, and I can really that
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  Speaker 1: falling in a river. It's out. Okay, do talk about
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  Speaker 1: falling in a river again, you know, hold on.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's timeline right Joining me is Mandy Noel,
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  Speaker 2: investigative reporter news for San Antonio.
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  Speaker 1: Mandy, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: What's your understanding of the timeline. That's what I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to be focusing on right now, because that's how you
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  Speaker 2: start a missing person or foul play investigation with your timeline.
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  Speaker 2: Did you hear me in the open state, I've got
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  Speaker 2: a critical twenty minutes.
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  Speaker 1: I think that I think that Randy Harris.
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  Speaker 2: Who is Caleb's dad, knows the twenty minutes I'm talking
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  Speaker 2: about I'm sure you do too, but I want to
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  Speaker 2: get all of the facts I can leading me up
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  Speaker 2: to those twenty minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Hit me.
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  Speaker 9: You are exactly right, and that is a critical twenty minutes.
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  Speaker 9: And there's so many questions because of police owned's words
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  Speaker 9: vanished without a trace.
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  Speaker 10: It's a strange disappearance.
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  Speaker 9: So one am and it's before that twenty minutes Caleb
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  Speaker 9: is on a ring doorbell camera, some surveillance camera with
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  Speaker 9: his roommate, a friend, and their new dog.
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  Speaker 10: Two am.
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  Speaker 9: The roommate goes to sleep on the couch. Caleb, like
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  Speaker 9: mister Harris mentioned, preparing his fishing reels. The next day,
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  Speaker 9: it's the last time his roommates staw Caleb two forty
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  Speaker 9: four and this is where that critical time starts.
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  Speaker 10: Caleb sends a snapchat walk in the new dog two
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  Speaker 10: point fifty eight.
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  Speaker 9: His phone turns off or it dies, pings at his
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  Speaker 9: apartment complex three po twenty.
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  Speaker 10: That uber eats that he ordered. It's seen as a surveillance.
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  Speaker 9: Camera, but the footage, the information with the footage is
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  Speaker 9: kind of wonk either, saying it could be a one
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  Speaker 9: hour kind of time swing. As you mentioned, the foots
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  Speaker 9: found on the door step the next morning. But the
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  Speaker 9: other thing to point out here, he wasn't plenty to
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  Speaker 9: go anywhere. He walked outside without his keys, without his wallet,
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  Speaker 9: and he.
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  Speaker 10: Walked outside without shoes on. So that time, you're right,
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  Speaker 10: it's critical because it's just.
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  Speaker 9: This small window where he was communicating with friends and
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  Speaker 9: family and then nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to Dave matt Crime Online.
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  Speaker 11: Harris and his roommates spend the evening outside in the
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  Speaker 11: parking lot with their new dog. It's a little after
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  Speaker 11: one am when he heads back inside. He sends a
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  Speaker 11: snapchat to his sister at two forty four, and at
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  Speaker 11: two forty five, Caleb Harris orders food through Uber Eats.
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  Speaker 11: When the Uber Eats driver arrives at three twenty am,
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  Speaker 11: Caleb Harris is not in front of his apartment to
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  Speaker 11: accept the delivery, so the food is left at the doorstep.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, back to Randy Harris, this is Caleb's father. He
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  Speaker 2: is begging for your help, join us help in the
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  Speaker 2: search for his boy. Again in the tip line three
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  Speaker 2: six one eight eight six two eight four zero. Mister
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  Speaker 2: Harris kind of just run through that timeline again with you.
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  Speaker 2: So he's outside. They've got a new puppy. It's one am.
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  Speaker 2: The puppy wants to go outside. They're outside with the
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  Speaker 2: puppy to t T in the parking lot at that.
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  Speaker 1: Month, they're out there.
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  Speaker 2: At two forty four, he sends his sister a snapchat.
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  Speaker 2: I guess with the dog, and there's no question. It's
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  Speaker 2: two forty four.
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  Speaker 1: They're time.
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  Speaker 2: Snapchats are time, and I might add they time out
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  Speaker 2: once you open them. But I've got one more minute.
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  Speaker 2: And everybody may scoff, but minutes matter, minutes matter, even
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  Speaker 2: one minute. At two forty five, he orders food through
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  Speaker 2: uber Eats.
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  Speaker 1: Is that correct, mister Harris.
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  Speaker 6: I really don't have the exact timeline on exactly when
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  Speaker 6: he ordered Uber Eats. We do know that the Uber
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  Speaker 6: eats was picked up from the convenience store to lunchables,
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  Speaker 6: Irritable and Apple Piet typical typical for Kali.
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  Speaker 5: We believe it.
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  Speaker 6: Was delivered around that three to twenty mark because or yeah,
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  Speaker 6: three twenty marks, because he was picked up at the
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  Speaker 6: groceries at the store, you know, like two seventeen.
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  Speaker 5: Or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what did he get? Two launchibles?
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  Speaker 5: Two lunchibles, apple Pie and red Bull?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's normal.
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  Speaker 6: He would go to school, be done by noon one o'clock,
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  Speaker 6: get to the back of the apartment, either a friend
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  Speaker 6: or a roommate, and grab their kayaks and they'd have
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  Speaker 6: that was their lunch for the afternoon, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: they'd be.
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  Speaker 5: Out till before dark.
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me now, Assistant Chief
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  Speaker 2: Todd Green with the Corpus Christy Police. Assistant Chief Green,
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  Speaker 2: can I confirm with you the Uber Eats time?
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  Speaker 1: And I know what minute may not matter.
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  Speaker 2: To a lot of people, but if I saw, for instance,
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  Speaker 2: just hypothesizing another car come into the apartment complex at
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  Speaker 2: two forty five, that time would matter. To forty six,
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  Speaker 2: that time would matter. Can you confirm with me the
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  Speaker 2: two forty five auber Eats order.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, that's correct, and it arrived. We confirmed that it
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  Speaker 12: was delivered at three twenty in the morning. We identified
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  Speaker 12: the driver, a young lady. We interviewed her and she
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  Speaker 12: did not report it seeing anything suspicious at the time,
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  Speaker 12: and there's nothing to make us think that she had
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  Speaker 12: anything to.
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  Speaker 8: Do with his disappearance. She did not see Caleb.
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  Speaker 1: You just gave me a lot of information. I know
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  Speaker 1: it was a short statement, but that's a lot number one.
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  Speaker 2: The moment you said a female driver, I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you right now the driver's not responsible. Statistically a female,
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  Speaker 2: it's much less likely to perform any violent act, period
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  Speaker 2: not happening. Okay, so she's there at three point twenty
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  Speaker 2: and she doesn't even see Caleb.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, that is correct.
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  Speaker 12: She did report seeing one other vehicle leaving the parking lot.
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  Speaker 8: We believe we.
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  Speaker 12: Have identified the driver of that vehicle and also have
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  Speaker 12: eliminated that individual as a suspect.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, right there, Assistant Chief Green hold On, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want you to publicize the name because then you know,
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  Speaker 2: thousands of angry people would be coming down on that
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  Speaker 2: person as if they were the kidnapper. But can you
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  Speaker 2: just tell me a little bit, like why were they
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  Speaker 2: leaving the apartment complex at three o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: Who did they live there? Were they visiting? Were they
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  Speaker 2: leaving for an early morning shift? Why were they leaving?
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  Speaker 12: He was an individual who lives actually lives in San
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  Speaker 12: Antonio and had come down for the weekend to visit
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  Speaker 12: his girlfriend at those apartments. And we're not one hundred
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  Speaker 12: percent sureline match is very very closely, so we believe
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  Speaker 12: that's the vehicle that she saw. That individual told us
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  Speaker 12: the same thing that he had left the apartments about
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  Speaker 12: three thirty in.
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  Speaker 1: The morning and he didn't see anything.
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  Speaker 8: No, he did not.
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  Speaker 12: He saw a vehicle coming into the apartment complex, which
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  Speaker 12: we believe is the u Uber Eats delivery person.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, this just keeps getting more and more odd. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that story makes perfect sense to me. And if he's
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  Speaker 2: leaving his girlfriend's apartment after visiting the weekend, he's got
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  Speaker 2: to leave at three thirty in the morning to get
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  Speaker 2: back to San Antonio one time for a job. It's
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  Speaker 2: highly unlikely a guy is going to leave his girlfriend
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  Speaker 2: asleep in bed taking off for a job and suddenly decides, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: there's a guy. I think I'll kidnapp him. That didn't happen. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he's out. Let's pick back up where we are. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 13: We know his phone pinked at three a little after three,
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  Speaker 13: but we're not sure exactly where he was or if
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  Speaker 13: he had contacted anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Is with that pink phone actually quit working at two
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  Speaker 4: fifty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me follow up on that. We all are
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  Speaker 2: familiar by now with the Brian Coburger Investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Can I tell you what launches a.
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  Speaker 2: Timeline the fact that one of the young ladies inside
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  Speaker 2: that home on King Road ordered. I believe it was
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  Speaker 2: a door dash, so we know she's alive and well
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  Speaker 2: I think she got the door dash at that time.
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  Speaker 1: It's like looking at your watch.
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  Speaker 2: All of this is digitized by time, location, all of
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  Speaker 2: that you can count on it, and here we're getting
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  Speaker 2: the same thing, just like this ping.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm want to circle back to Randy Harris.
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  Speaker 2: This is Caleb's dad, And for everybody on the panel,
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  Speaker 2: let me remind you we're not having high ta at
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  Speaker 2: Winster Castle with Charles and Camilla. If you have an idea,
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  Speaker 2: spit it out. Now is the time, mister Harris. I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk about what you just said about the ping.
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  Speaker 1: Gosh, so we're getting a ping at three a m.
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  Speaker 1: But you're not sure, as you.
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  Speaker 2: And your wife are saying, where he was at the
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  Speaker 2: time of the ping. The phone quit working at two
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  Speaker 2: ff eight?
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  Speaker 1: Did he turn it off? Did it run out of jews?
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  Speaker 1: What happened?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, we really don't know that for sure. His phone,
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  Speaker 6: you know, because he's out all the time. The phone
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  Speaker 6: does go dead pretty quickly because he's just using it
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  Speaker 6: all the time.
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  Speaker 5: The ping was at three oh three.
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  Speaker 6: It was a snapchat picture I believe to one of
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  Speaker 6: his friends, and it was on the bridge, But again
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  Speaker 6: the timeline doesn't quite add up. They were able to
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  Speaker 6: get from what I understand through at and T an
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  Speaker 6: additional ping around three twelve down the street. So again
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  Speaker 6: the phone was off or turned off, but there was
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  Speaker 6: some other activity in and IP ping or VPN ping.
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  Speaker 5: I really don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's make sense of what we're hearing right now,
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  Speaker 2: and remember Killum's dad has.
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  Speaker 1: Been sifting through all the facts.
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  Speaker 2: He's throwing out some jargon not everybody's used to. But
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  Speaker 2: luckily for us, Todd Shipley is joining US digital cyber
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  Speaker 2: crime expert, former detective sergeant and author of Listen to This,
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  Speaker 2: Investigating Internet Crimes and Introduction to Solving Crimes in Cyberspace,
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  Speaker 2: and you can find him a dark intail dot info.
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  Speaker 1: Tadd Shipley, we need you now more.
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  Speaker 2: Than ever because I've been investigating Caleb's disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: I understood what Randy here has just said, but a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of people may not explain what he's saying because I'm
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  Speaker 2: not quite sure. I understand how he is ordering Uber
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  Speaker 2: and that's at two forty five and then his phone
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  Speaker 2: is pinging down the street at three twelve. Did the
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  Speaker 2: phone have to move? Oh, Randy? Has the phone been recovered?
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  Speaker 5: No, it has not. We've done a tremendous amount of
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  Speaker 5: searches right off the bat and the police.
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  Speaker 6: We're there with cadets and with search and rescue and
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  Speaker 6: lots of search and rescue people from San Antonio. And
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  Speaker 6: that was one of the biggest focuses is you know,
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  Speaker 6: obviously finding Caleb, of trying to find that phone. Even
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  Speaker 6: yesterday we had the Search and rescis U team out
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  Speaker 6: of San Antonio literally in sewer dreams with cameras and
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: ladders looking for the phone just to try again.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: I can I jump in.
• 19:13
  Speaker 12: Yes, that information that we had originally came in on
• 19:18
  Speaker 12: an emergency request through AT and T because because it
• 19:22
  Speaker 12: was potentially endangered missing person. That data that we're getting
• 19:30
  Speaker 12: right now, we're sharing that with uh two of our
• 19:34
  Speaker 12: federal partners, the US Marshall Service and the FBI, as
• 19:38
  Speaker 12: well as our local team, our local UHUR, our organized
• 19:43
  Speaker 12: crime unit, which has the resources to go through all
• 19:46
  Speaker 12: this digital data and the quote. The bottom line is,
• 19:53
  Speaker 12: at this point, we don't believe that that is an
• 19:56
  Speaker 12: accurate ping. We are working on the theory that he
• 20:00
  Speaker 12: never left his phone last was located right there on
• 20:08
  Speaker 12: the street, right in front of the apartments, right near
• 20:11
  Speaker 12: the bridge over the drainage ditch where he sent that
• 20:17
  Speaker 12: snapchat photo at about three oh three in the morning.
• 20:20
  Speaker 12: So right now we're working off that we don't believe
• 20:25
  Speaker 12: that he ever traveled over to road Field, which is
• 20:28
  Speaker 12: about a mile away, a.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Little over a mile.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me decide what you just said.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: You think the three twelve paying down the street is erroneous.
• 20:37
  Speaker 12: That's our working theory right now that that data, it
• 20:42
  Speaker 12: was preliminary data. It came in very quickly. It appeared
• 20:48
  Speaker 12: to show him over there in that area. But at
• 20:50
  Speaker 12: this point we don't have a high level of confidence
• 20:53
  Speaker 12: that that's accurate.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, So can you tell me this. Do you think
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: it's wrong or you just don't know?
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: At this point, we feel like it's not accurate.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Wrong, Okay, that's really important.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you for telling me that before I go down
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: a rabbit hole with a cyber expert.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Is that you Todd Shipley jumping in.
• 21:12
  Speaker 14: Yeah, go, it doesn't mean it doesn't mean it's wrong.
• 21:15
  Speaker 14: It just means that the phone found when it was
• 21:18
  Speaker 14: looking for cell towers, a cell tower to talk to,
• 21:22
  Speaker 14: and so it could have been a mile away. The
• 21:24
  Speaker 14: Chief is right. They're looking through a whole bunch of
• 21:27
  Speaker 14: other data that we don't have yet, which would have
• 21:29
  Speaker 14: been the things that you know, we would all start
• 21:31
  Speaker 14: to look at, which is the cell tower data, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 14: trying to figure out where things were. But you know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 14: trying to gelocate somebody with just one ping is not
• 21:40
  Speaker 14: you know, necessarily possible or accurate. And the Chief is correct.
• 21:43
  Speaker 14: So they're looking at the larger set of data that
• 21:45
  Speaker 14: they've got from the cell towers, trying to figure out
• 21:47
  Speaker 14: what other cell phones were there, who else could have
• 21:50
  Speaker 14: been there pinging those towers the same time. So there's
• 21:53
  Speaker 14: a lot of data that they're trying to walk through
• 21:55
  Speaker 14: and understand because those cell towers collect a tremendous amount
• 21:59
  Speaker 14: of data.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, one thing you just said, Todd Shipley that I
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: just want to follow up on, when you said the
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: cell phone was trying to find a tower quote to
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: talk to.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: In other words, the cell phone is trying to find.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: A tower to get a connection, and it could be
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: thirty feet away, it could be a mile away. So
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: it's pinging all around, pinging, and that's the cell phone
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: trying to get a cell from one of the towers.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I hear somebody jumping in, go ahead, please do it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: Was me, misterious.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: I want to I want to really explain something to
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: the police has done a phenomenal job in this case.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, these guys are amazing and not questioning anything
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: that they've done at all. You know, we're we're outside
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: the bubble and we're looking at all different kinds of things.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: And you know, those were areas where you know, we
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: went with blood Bloodhounds, we went with the police, and
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: you know, so we're you know, interpolating and just suspecting along.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: With everybody else.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: So and we certainly understand those cell tower images could
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: be even a mile from that location.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: It was just kind of a hot spot. And so
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: I really want.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: To stress you know how happy we are with what
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: the police and the other authorities are doing, because.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: They really are, uh, they're they're just killing.
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: It out there.
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: They're they're they're doing a good job. And I want
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: to make sure that that we're backing them on.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Percent absolutely, because you know what, mister Harris, Usually when
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: a cop makes a headline, it's because they did something wrong, right.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Nobody ever says, like, do you call your cable company
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and go, you know what, I watched the end of
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: a mini series last night and you did a great job,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: you know, making my TV. No, you call and go
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the cables out fix it. So nobody ever comments on
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: how awesome LA law enforcement is.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And I really.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you saying that because it's so rare that we
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: get to hear that. Okay, so everything we know about
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: part of the timeline is now upended, and that's a
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: good thing because that helps me refine the timeline. I
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: got a question the snapchat that Caleb sent to his sister,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I assume with the new dog. Where was he when
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: he sent the snapchat? Can you see in the background
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: where he was?
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: Yes, it appears he was walking through the parking lot
• 24:28
  Speaker 12: of the apartment complex. It's actually a short snapchat video
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: and appears he's in the complex at two forty four
• 24:37
  Speaker 12: when he's walking the dog, but then at three oh
• 24:40
  Speaker 12: three he's actually just outside the apartment complex on the
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: main street that runs right by the complex and there's
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: a small bridge that goes over a drainage ditch.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, I want to be clear about the bridge because
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, oh, did he fall
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: in some de water.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: That's not what that bridge is, is it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: Well, it's a drainage ditch.
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: When we have eavy rings, it certainly could be a
• 25:08
  Speaker 12: drowning potential.
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: But at the time of his disappearance.
• 25:12
  Speaker 12: There was only less in that area, was less than
• 25:16
  Speaker 12: a foot of water in it, and we searched it
• 25:18
  Speaker 12: thoroughly with our dive team. Texas Search and Rescue brought
• 25:23
  Speaker 12: in their canines. We swept it again with the canines.
• 25:27
  Speaker 12: It was swept again with the bloodhounds from the Department
• 25:33
  Speaker 12: of Corrections brought their canines in. So it's been thoroughly
• 25:38
  Speaker 12: searched and no sign of kleb Or or the cell phone.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Randy Harris, I feel very strongly Hey did not go
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: to that bridge and fall into the one foot of water.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: That's not what happened.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: So the snapchat to a sister, and for those of
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: you that don't know about snapchat, it's not like your
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: texting message.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: It's a picture, it's a snap and.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to, I guess, in the moment, in real time,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: send a picture of what you're doing that expresses what
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: you're doing.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: At that moment.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: And it's the big way of communication right now amongst preteens,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: teens and students. So again, where was he, Randy when
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: he sent the snap to his sister?
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: From what I.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: Understand right there at with the sister, it looks like
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: he was just in the parking lot with taking a dog.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: For a while.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, and that was just before three a m.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, take a listen now to more of what
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: we know regarding the timeline.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Here's Jackie Howard.
• 26:45
  Speaker 15: The timeline for Caleb Harris is traceable up until two
• 26:48
  Speaker 15: fifty eight am. Caleb Harris is on security cameras, ring
• 26:52
  Speaker 15: doorbell cameras around his apartment, and is on his phone
• 26:56
  Speaker 15: which is pinging at his apartment. According to the investigators,
• 26:59
  Speaker 15: at two fifty eight Harris is at his apartment when
• 27:03
  Speaker 15: his cell phone battery dies or is turned off. The
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: Uber Eats driver arrives at three twenty am, and Caleb
• 27:10
  Speaker 15: Harris is not there to get the food. Two fifty
• 27:12
  Speaker 15: eight am to three twenty am a twenty two minute
• 27:16
  Speaker 15: window of opportunity and then the foggy early morning hours
• 27:20
  Speaker 15: of Monday, March fourth, twenty one year old Caleb Harris vanished.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Todd Shipley, joining US digital cybercrime expert at Dark Inteil
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: dot info. Todd, I mean, when I look at my
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: life three sixty, it tells me my son's phone is
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: at ten percent or my daughter's phone is turned off.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: So we can't tell if his phone died or whether
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: it was cut off.
• 27:45
  Speaker 14: Well, I don't know who else was connected with CALEBM,
• 27:47
  Speaker 14: whether the family had something like three sixty, which is
• 27:50
  Speaker 14: a great app for families, But at this point in time,
• 27:53
  Speaker 14: they know what they know, which is the phone when dead,
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: because AT and T has those records in the phone
• 27:58
  Speaker 14: stop pen, so it's going to be they've got a
• 28:01
  Speaker 14: limited amount. We don't have like we normally have in
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: these cases, a consistent pattern of phone contacting the towers
• 28:09
  Speaker 14: and letting them know where they're at. In this case,
• 28:11
  Speaker 14: it stops. So we have to work back from that
• 28:14
  Speaker 14: time and try to figure out what was going on
• 28:16
  Speaker 14: the phone before that to see if there's anything that's
• 28:18
  Speaker 14: of relevance to the case and who he contacted, who
• 28:21
  Speaker 14: the messaging was to you know, there's a lot of
• 28:24
  Speaker 14: things that the phone will tell us that AT and
• 28:25
  Speaker 14: T may have already given law enforcement, but they're looking
• 28:28
  Speaker 14: for all those things, trying to identify any source of
• 28:32
  Speaker 14: what happened.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: So Assistant Chief Todd Green with us Corpus Christy Police again,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Chief.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Now the water is getting money for me and I
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: know that you and Randy Harris and Mandy Nowel can
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: clear it up.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Was he near that bridge that night?
• 28:53
  Speaker 12: Yes, we certainly believe that based on the snapchat photo
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: he sent to one of his high school friends at
• 29:00
  Speaker 12: three oh three in the morning.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: So we have another entry into the timeline. He sends
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: a snapchap to a friend at three o three am
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and he's at the bridge.
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: Correct, It's we're very confident that he was there at
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: the bridge in front of the apartment complex.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: So when we're talking about the bridge, it's kind of
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: really only a bridge to fall off on one side
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: that didn't happen. That's where he is out walking the dog.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Where is the dog, Randy Harris At that point.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: The dog was back in the apartment, So let.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Me under he must have gone out to get the food. Okay,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: so he's alive and well sending a snapchat right there
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: at three three am. The Uber East driver arrives at
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: three twenty am, so we're now down to a seventeen
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: minute period.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Randy Harris.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: The bridge that we're seeing, is it adjacent or part
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: of the parking lot?
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: No, it's just literally right at the corner of the complex.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: And I was going to add when the phone went
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: dead at two fifty eight, it went dead across the
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: board snapchat. My I have fine friends, and I also
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: have find you know, the fine utilities, you know, so
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: I can look at both of those and see in
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: both of the timelines were identical at two fifty eight,
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: and then everybody else's sad that also located him at
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: two fifty eight right kind of right there at the
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: corner of the complex or on the bridge right there.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, I've got a question for you.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: If his phone goes dead at two fifty eight, how
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: does he send a snap at three oh three?
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: That that is a that's for the forensics to figure
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: that out.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: We can't.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: That's a timeline thing that we we it's an anomaly
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: because Snapchat, from what I understand, is immediate and you
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: know we've got we've got a few minutes there. So again,
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: is that a cell phone a cell tower issue? Is
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: it a AT and T issue? Is a delay with snapchat?
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: We really don't know it. We feel like he may
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: have done that before the funnel went dead, but we
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: can't confirm.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, you mean like suddenly I get a message that
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: somebody sent yesterday.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think it would be like that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: No, Okay, Todd Shipley, what could it be? Because the
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: reason I'm interested is because he's on this bridge. He's
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: at this bridge.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Is that the last known.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Communication with him at that location, not standing out in
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: front of his apartment? So can you explain why he
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: may have seen it at two fifty eight and then
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: it arrived at three oh three?
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: Sure?
• 31:39
  Speaker 14: I mean there could have been a lot of reasons
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: technology wise that that it could have occurred. Snapchat is
• 31:43
  Speaker 14: a great little tool, but it still uses a centralized
• 31:46
  Speaker 14: server system where it's got to go to one place
• 31:48
  Speaker 14: and be sent back to whoever the sender is sending
• 31:52
  Speaker 14: it to. So it could have been AT and T.
• 31:55
  Speaker 14: He could have been in a dead spot that it
• 31:56
  Speaker 14: didn't get picked up right away and it took a
• 31:59
  Speaker 14: minute to send. I mean, as technologically, there's a lot
• 32:01
  Speaker 14: of reasons why it could have been to laid Sin.
• 32:03
  Speaker 14: Even if the phone had died, you know, minutes before,
• 32:06
  Speaker 14: he could have sent it and it just didn't show
• 32:09
  Speaker 14: up till till later point in time.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's that's not unusual.
• 32:12
  Speaker 14: All right, Well, let's see that doesn't totally explain it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 14: But I mean the point is it could have happened,
• 32:18
  Speaker 14: or he could have sent it at that time. We
• 32:20
  Speaker 14: just don't have enough facts and evidence right now to
• 32:23
  Speaker 14: know without having the phone. You know, we don't know
• 32:25
  Speaker 14: for sure.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Well too, Assistant Chief Todd Green, do we know if
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the snapchat was sent at that time? At three three?
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Did the phone die or get turned off?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: At two fifty eight?
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Do you have any idea where the phone was turned
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: whether it was turned off or it just went dead.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: If it went dead, why didn't he go in and
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: plug it up? I mean, what do you think?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Chief?
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: Well, we're still looking at that and we're puzzled by
• 32:50
  Speaker 12: the timeline as well as mister Schnyder said, and we've
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: were considering the options that he mentioned that he may
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: have sent the snapchat before the phone went silent. We
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: try not say, Dad, we don't know if the device
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: was turned off purposely or if it just ran out
• 33:08
  Speaker 12: of power. I don't think we'll be able to determine
• 33:11
  Speaker 12: that until we actually are able to look at the
• 33:14
  Speaker 12: device itself.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: The mystery is deepening as parents of a missing Texas
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: A and M student Caleb Harris, reveal he seemingly vanishes
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: after going out to pick up.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: His Uber Eats order.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: We are following every piece of digital evidence that we can,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: but what do we know regarding anything his roommate may
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: have said to Caleb's dad, Randy Harris.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: What does the roommate.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: Say their hearts are broken? I mean truly, these are
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: kids that have grown up with Caleb since first grade,
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: fourth grade, live in the same apartment complex, live across
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: the street, and live with him. One of the roommates
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: is graduating with the nursing degree, will be moving out,
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: and they've already signed a lease with actually the boy
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: in the video there, the third boy in the red
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: or maroon shirt, he'll be joining them this this fall
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: as as an additional roommate, which again is another another
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: friend from New Bronfels. The friend group out of the
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: New Bronfels area is really tight, about seven or eight
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: kids down there from the school that they graduated with,
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: and one of his roommates he's been with since fourth
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: grade football.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: You know, all these kids are very, very tight because
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: we went to a small Christian school there in New Bromfils.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: So they're graduating classes, you know, forty kids, so it
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: was a very you know a lot of these kids
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: are like brothers and sisters.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: The apartment, I understand Chief Todd Green was carefully searched.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I assume his vehicle was searched. Was it still part
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: their Chief Green?
• 35:14
  Speaker 12: Yes, that was one of the things we did early
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: on in the search, try to determine if Willingly left
• 35:21
  Speaker 12: the complex, why would he do that on such a
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: foggy evening on foot and it didn't make sense to us.
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: We checked the vehicle just to make sure that it
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: was operational, that it had fuel. It did so that
• 35:35
  Speaker 12: certainly added to the question of why would he be
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: going anywhere on foot at that time of night in
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: those conditions. As we mentioned, it was extremely foggy that night,
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: which has also complicated the investigation. Surveillance video that we
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: have recovered is not the quality that we would normally expect,
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: but the fogs certainly made it much more difficult to
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: see things.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And I assume that all of us social media has
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: been combed.
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: We are in the process of doing that. Yes, it's
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: time consuming. We've issued over just our team here. Our
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: team has issued sixteen search warrants for electronic search warrants
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: for data. The US Marshals, who's working right alongside with
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: side of us, have issued seven search warrants. The FBI
• 36:34
  Speaker 12: has helped us out by accessing financial data, so we're
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: looking at it from every possible angle. And one of
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: the things that's probably a little unique in this situation
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: is that when the data comes in, we're not analyzing
• 36:51
  Speaker 12: it just by ourselves here within our department. We're immediately
• 36:55
  Speaker 12: sharing it with the Marshalls, the FBI. We're constantly meeting
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: with the Texas Rangers. We're sharing data with them. So
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: when the data comes in, everybody is looking at it,
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: analyzing it, and providing us with any kind of leads.
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: That they believe we should follow up on.
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: We have a really good team, a forensic cyber team here,
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: but we're also reaching out and using our federal partners,
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: federal and state.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Partner, Randy Harris, was Kaleb, to your knowledge, in a
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: relationship with anyone.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: No, his focus was you know, on a school, hunting, fishing,
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: playing video games with this roommate's pretty much a homebody
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: and very consistent. He's had a couple of girlfriends, but
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: nothing out of the ordinary for college student.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to piece it all together. Guys, listen
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: to this.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: What we do now is continue you keeping Caleb in
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: the light, I mean keeping him.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: You know, he's out there.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: We feel like he's out there and we're going to
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: get him back.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: We just got to find him. I'm curious, what is
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: your theory, Randy.
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: That's a that's a hard one to answer because you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: there because we don't have a true North in this case,
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: and we don't know really what has happened, and there's
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: no the evidence and everything that they're gathering. You know,
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: I strongly feel like the authorities are finding true North
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: for us. We really don't know, you know, with his
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: his keys are there, his wallet's there, his truck's there,
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: you know, his shoes are there. The only thing missing
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: is a cell phone, He was barefooted and he vanished,
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: so we really don't know whether he came upon something
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: that he didn't shouldn't have seen, or he's the kind
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: of kid that would go out and help somebody change
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: a tire. So, you know, we just don't know.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand. Yes, please do so.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: One thing that I thought about this, if we're working
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: on the theory that this is an abduction, a couple
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: of things that I'm sure law enforcement is looking into.
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: The first thing is there are random abductions of people
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: that happens, but a lot of times when an adult
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: is abducted, they're abducted by someone who's had contact with
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: them or knows them. I've seen and been involved in
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: cases like that, So I'm sure that law enforcement is
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: coming through this young man's text to see who he
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: was talking to. Obviously through the social media, but are
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: there people that he had contact with that other.
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: People didn't know about.
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: I mean, all these theories I think are probably under
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: investigation and also giving this kind of a national voice,
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: are there people who aren't in that local area who
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: had contact with him through social media or texting or
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: emails or things like that that could maybe helped provide
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: other information to look at other potential people that could
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: have been involved in him that maybe no one knew about.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: You know what, You're right, doctor Jeff.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Guys, you're hearing doctor Jeff Kelschewski joining us, author of
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Dark Sides. A random kidnapping is rear.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: And when you say.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Someone that knew him, we mean that in the loose
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: sense of the word. Someone that had been in a
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: class with him, somebody that was a checkout person at
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the grocery store, somebody that had connected with him online.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe in a gaming room.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Most of the games that people play, they're not playing
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: by theirselves. They're playing with somebody in cyberspace, a real
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: person out there somewhere.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: It could be any of these people.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I don't mean their best friend or their roommate or
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: their girlfriend that really know them. It's more that someone
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: could know of them, absolutely right, doctor Jeff.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: And the scary part of that is you don't know
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: who they are.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: They may not even be using their real name. Randy Harris,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: did he play online? You mentioned games? My son loves them?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Did Caleb actually actually that night.
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: One of his best friends that lives in Colorado and
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: I wanted to correct you.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: He's got a job in Alaska, not Colorado.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: That's pretty exciting, you know, for him coming up this
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: summer and anyway, but yeah, he was on the phone
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: for week because I immediately got the phone records from
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: AT and T, you know, just like just like anybody
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: else can do.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: And so I started looking at all the phone numbers
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: in the texts and doing, who do I see on here?
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: That doesn't make sense or I don't know, or I'd
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: punch him into my phone because I do know a
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: lot of his friends, and this particular friends actually in
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: Colorado's frings going to school, and they had been on
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: the phone playing video games, but without headsets the heat,
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: they normally would just call each other. So he was
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: on the phone with him for seventy one minutes earlier
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: that evening, like at ten.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: O'clock, Caleb Harris missing. This kid is scrubbed in sunshine.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: There's just no other way to put it. And mister Harris,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I just don't know how you were getting up and
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: putting one foot in front.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Of the other.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: How are you in Caleb's mom managing.
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: You know, it's hard, but we're also a family of
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: faith and we love the Lord Jesus Christ, and.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's where our strength comes from.
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: I cry a lot, but my wife is my rock,
• 42:43
  Speaker 16: my daughter is my rock, my in laws, my family,
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: the church, the people in the brothels, the people at
• 42:50
  Speaker 16: Corpus just an immense amount of strength. I mean, just
• 42:54
  Speaker 16: to have somebody donate a helicopter yesterday and today to
• 42:58
  Speaker 16: just go search and make sure that we're covering every
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: inch of Corpus Christy we possibly can in the hopes.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: Of really not finding in you know that, you know,
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: we you know, that's what we're doing. We're just making
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: sure that you know, we're doing our part to aid
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: in the investigation. And we've have so many people that
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: have offered boats, so many people offered food. We've got
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: volunteer search people. We have friends that we've known, you know,
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: for as long as our as long as our entire
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: lives that are just involved heavily in supporting us. And
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: you know, we just feel we feel the love, we
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: feel the love of Christ just radiating and you know,
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: giving us the adrenaline really just to keep going. But
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: my wife, she's my rock and she's just been super strong.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: And my daughter is just she's amazing. Her birthday was,
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: you know, Thursday seventeen.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I just you know what, so often, mister Harris, I've
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: prosecuted and investigated and covered so any cases.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: At first, we keep saying it doesn't make sense. It
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't make.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Sense because, as you've read in the Bible, we see
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: through a glass darkly. We can't see clearly. We can't
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: put those pieces of the puzzle together. We're missing something.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Have you guys been able to amass ring cam, any
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: kind of cam from neighbors.
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: Yes, the police have done a great job with that
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: as well, and we've been assisting them. We're still doing
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: that today, just going back and double checking, make sure
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: that we haven't missed any surveillance.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Cameras or ring cameras.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: Those sorry, those are critical. The one o'clock image that
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: you've been showing that was a ring camera from three
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: or four houses or apartment complexes. Not complexes, but little
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: duplex things down the road. So yes, we highly encourage
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: if eve everybody get out and look at their cameras
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: and take five minutes.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: That's all it takes.
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: And I also encourage because we're finding cameras that only
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: that delete everything in three days, you know, change your
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: change your settings to sixty days so for future you know, uh, surveillance.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: So you got it.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: There is a twenty five thousand dollar reward twenty five
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. If you know or you think you know
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: anything about Caleb Harris, please contact three six one eight,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: two six, two nine five zero three six one eight
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: two six two nine five zero. Our prayers, our energy
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and our efforts go on.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Help us bring Caleb home. Goodbye, friend, you