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84. Edgar Allan Poe · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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  Speaker 2: and they're like, no, I'm not okay.
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  Speaker 1: I learned that that's a fact.
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  Speaker 2: That's a fact. That's how I'm going to just introduce
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  Speaker 2: more things in my life like that's yeah, no, that
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  Speaker 2: was me.
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  Speaker 3: I did that, and that's a fact.
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  Speaker 2: And they'll be like, well, you're clearly a man child.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, so that get into this every time the music.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know why. It's not even the very theme music.
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  Speaker 1: But here we are.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing a shuffle in my seat, so I was
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  Speaker 2: dancing to it. Whatever it may have been.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever I invented, We're just going with the flow.
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  Speaker 2: We'll double it in.
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  Speaker 1: It's make it seem like it was meant to be
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  Speaker 1: like this.
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  Speaker 2: It's so catchy. I love it reminds me of all the.
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  Speaker 1: Classics, of all the classics. A hum in the shower
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  Speaker 1: before I cry, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean before after this, and then I whistle into the
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  Speaker 2: beer bottle because that's empty by that point.
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  Speaker 1: I don't drink beer.
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  Speaker 2: You can pick a wine ball into the shower, but
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  Speaker 2: by the time you get to the bottom of that,
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  Speaker 2: you may not be able to find your way out
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  Speaker 2: of the bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I see the problem is right. That would
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  Speaker 1: have to be a bread. Why I don't drink.
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  Speaker 2: Sit straight from the bottle, give me.
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  Speaker 1: A straw at twelvey one. Well, I can have some whimsy.
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  Speaker 2: People are saying, just let the red wine ern. I'm like, listen,
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  Speaker 2: if the steam can help, I'm bringing it in.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it'd be fine.
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  Speaker 2: That'll be the theme, Jane. It's just the sound of
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  Speaker 2: wine being splashed around.
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  Speaker 1: Ready to bottles of beer on the floor.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, only one bottle of wine in my shower. Only
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  Speaker 2: one bottle of wine. I take it down and can't
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  Speaker 2: get up. Only one bottle of one in the show,
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  Speaker 2: he did what now, absolute pray.
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  Speaker 3: You need a heavy bass at the end.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the sound of water heading music. I'm stuck
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  Speaker 1: on the floor crying into my wine.
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  Speaker 2: If anybody questions the echo on the microphone, you could
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  Speaker 2: be like, it's because I record all of these in
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  Speaker 2: the shower, didn't you know?
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  Speaker 1: That is someone's very specific fetish shower podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that and bringing in the electric stuff into the
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  Speaker 2: shower probably isn't the best.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like maybe not.
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  Speaker 2: Because I have to unplug my toaster for a start.
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  Speaker 2: Shower toast so well with shower wine.
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  Speaker 3: It pairs beautifully, Like the.
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  Speaker 1: Most part is just soggy.
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  Speaker 2: But you use the source stuff, it's butter and it
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  Speaker 2: goes so well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, whose idea it was to make that
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  Speaker 1: meant eucalyptus like source shower gel.
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  Speaker 2: The stuff that makes me regret very quickly having any
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  Speaker 2: orifices whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. Why why am
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  Speaker 1: I burning?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Why is this?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 3: OK, this is what an STI.
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  Speaker 1: I'm made a joke an st I once, not mine, and.
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  Speaker 3: I had a joke about an STI but it kept
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  Speaker 3: coming back.
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  Speaker 1: But I basically right, and so basically I I was,
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  Speaker 1: I was, I think, yeah, it was like, that's not
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  Speaker 1: my fault. Qualtication you ever got was a GC was
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  Speaker 1: two g c cs and an st I and and
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  Speaker 1: somebody was like, that's like so detrimental to people who
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  Speaker 1: have s t I S And I was like what
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  Speaker 1: it's like, it's somebody complain once because people will call
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  Speaker 1: me like fat and the base and stuff, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: it's not my fault. You don't know what a real
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  Speaker 1: woman looks like, you know what I mean? This is
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  Speaker 1: an adult human body, you know. And I got complaints.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I got one complaint this woman who
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  Speaker 1: was like, do you not think you're being like really
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  Speaker 1: disrespectful to like skinny women? And I was like hang on,
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  Speaker 1: let me check. And so I messaged my friend who
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  Speaker 1: has like lupus and just cannot gain weight chronically ill,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, are you offended by this comment?
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  Speaker 1: And she was like fuck off, No, I'm like cool,
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  Speaker 1: that's my litmus test. Great.
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  Speaker 2: It's important to have friends from all walks of life.
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  Speaker 1: For some strange reason, I keep shouting in Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: To everyone of Vietnam, I love you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, into whoever is listening to me. In South Korea
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  Speaker 1: there's at least two people because I had number nineteen
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  Speaker 1: of the charts. I was like, thanks, South Korea, were
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  Speaker 1: two coming? So in yeah, people are like when you're
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  Speaker 1: coming to Australia, I don't know when Australia asks me,
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  Speaker 1: I think is the way of it.
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  Speaker 2: But that's it's getting this done.
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  Speaker 1: Shower toast is done when there's no more time for
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  Speaker 1: shower toast and it's time for shower time times. Tim Tims,
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  Speaker 1: Tim Tims, is.
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  Speaker 2: This sponsored by source or toast?
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  Speaker 1: Sponsored by toast?
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  Speaker 2: Bringing you all your toasting needs?
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  Speaker 1: M heated bread? Oh yeah, she's clear. She's clearly on
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  Speaker 1: the payroll of the bread conglomerate. It's the gluten they've
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  Speaker 1: got her.
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  Speaker 2: Don't be a heel.
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  Speaker 3: Buy some toast.
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  Speaker 1: I am a toaster. I want to make toast.
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  Speaker 2: Are you in too much of a rush to get
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  Speaker 2: ready for work and you need toast, but you need
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  Speaker 2: to have a shower first. Worry no longer, my.
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  Speaker 1: Friends, shower toast the bread you can drink.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've fail our silly are hill.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome friend, so welcome one and all friends romans. I
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  Speaker 1: know that that's what happens when we've been talking for
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  Speaker 1: an eric, because we haven't a proper conversation in so
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  Speaker 1: long that I think we just went ooh, let's get
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  Speaker 1: a silliness sight. Welcome on no. I am joined today
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  Speaker 2: Thank you and hello and welcome.
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  Speaker 1: So Paul is known as cracking or great cracking.
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  Speaker 2: I believe, yeah, great cracking on pretty much everything. I
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  Speaker 2: tend to just throw it out there and be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'll use this, this is fine.
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  Speaker 1: I do like the fact though, that cracking was like
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  Speaker 1: not enough for you. You can't be like this monstrous
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  Speaker 1: sea creature. You have to be great cracking. Like yep,
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  Speaker 1: I'm yeah, there's the cracking and then there's me. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like the cracking, but elevated.
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  Speaker 2: I did my research because great is actually used as
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  Speaker 2: a prefix for squid, so it's like squid and then
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  Speaker 2: colossal squid and then great squid and then it's potentially cracking.
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  Speaker 2: So I just went with the next one.
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  Speaker 1: So you're just like and beggar.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I tried great cracking, but that felt the gatistical puns.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone in Ireland will know it's great crack.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather think my brain. But yeah, so today's episode
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  Speaker 1: is a little bit different because I am telling my
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  Speaker 1: great friend Paul here about the life of the nun No,
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  Speaker 1: not the nun and only the one and only Edgar Allan.
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  Speaker 2: Poe definitely was not a nun in my research a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. I don't remember the nunnery.
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  Speaker 1: Get there to a nunnery? I mean, I guess it's
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  Speaker 1: is it creepy? There are the ravens, is Bernice.
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  Speaker 2: There there would be a lot of black But.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, I know what you're thinking you're thinking about your
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  Speaker 1: Jebber Jaba In fact you, In fact you, I will.
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  Speaker 1: But first we've got to get our source on. Our
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  Speaker 1: sources are Poe, A Life cut short by Peter Ackroyd,
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  Speaker 1: The Lovecraft Ray and Pole. This is on influenced Reception,
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  Speaker 1: Interpretation and Transformation by St. Joshi, The House of Pole
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  Speaker 1: by Richard Wilbur, Poe by James M. Hutchison, Poe A
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  Speaker 1: biography by William Bittner. The Reasons for Darkness of the
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  Speaker 1: Night to Edgar Allan Poe in The Forging of American
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  Speaker 1: Science by John Tresh, Edgar Allan Poe, A critical biography
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  Speaker 1: by Una Pope Hennessy. A Historical Guide to Edgar Allan
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  Speaker 1: Pole by Gerald Kennedy, The Poe Museum, Edgar Allan Poe,
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  Speaker 1: A to Z The Central Reference to his life and
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  Speaker 1: work by Don B. Silva, The Edgar Allan Poe Society,
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  Speaker 1: and of course our favorites Biography dot Com and History
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  Speaker 1: dot Com. I also didn't comfortably good, then let's begin.
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  Speaker 1: So this story begins as what would expect at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're shocked, so Edgar Pole. Edgar Pole was
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  Speaker 1: born on the nineteenth of January eighteenth oh nine. So
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  Speaker 1: very started the nineteenth century, and he was the sinking
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  Speaker 1: child of two traveling actors, so David Poe Junior and
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Arnold Hopkins poll. So they had an older kid, Henry,
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  Speaker 1: and then there was Edgar, and then there was a daughter, Rosalie.
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  Speaker 1: So that was their little family. But when Edgar was
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  Speaker 1: just about one, he's just one years old, his dad
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  Speaker 1: up in leaves just obsconce Wow. So she must have either.
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  Speaker 2: A personal reason or because a lot of people at
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  Speaker 2: that time would have kind of upsticks for a new
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  Speaker 2: marriage or new you.
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  Speaker 1: Already had because this dude, because I'm thinking here, I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out the timing, because she would have
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  Speaker 1: had to be either pregnant with child number three or
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  Speaker 1: not long after having child number three before he buggered off.
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  Speaker 1: There's a possibility, possibility that Rosalie, the younger sister, is
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  Speaker 1: a half sister. But there's kind of like mm hmm,
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  Speaker 1: lobbly Bobby possibly with that one. I mean, he's an actor,
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  Speaker 1: he kept be trusted. But but yeah, and I was like, fine,
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  Speaker 1: where did it go? A year later, like the mom
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  Speaker 1: dies of tuberculosis. He's twoish three, No, mom, No, dad,
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  Speaker 1: he also died in eighteen eleven.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, he shuffled off the great stage of life.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was an ill tempered alcoholic. There we
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  Speaker 1: go that that's why.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, huh sewing the seeds.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, three days after the mom dies, the dad
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  Speaker 1: dies like completely away, different part of the you know, country,
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  Speaker 1: but he's gone. So this isn't both in Massachusetts where
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  Speaker 1: Poe was born, and that was a couple of years
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  Speaker 1: before being taken in by John Allen, who was a
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  Speaker 1: merchant who traded it a fuck. So he traded in tobacco,
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  Speaker 1: which is fine, you know, cloth wheat, tombstones and people.
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  Speaker 2: In oh oh okay and people and people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, he sold slaves as far as I
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  Speaker 1: can say out so that's horrific.
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  Speaker 2: M hm.
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  Speaker 1: They end up forstering Edgar, and he ends up taking
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  Speaker 1: on the Allen name in the middle of his sort
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  Speaker 1: of name. And the reason that goes into the middle
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  Speaker 1: of his name is because they never formally adopted him
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  Speaker 1: and they never really probably took him on board, like
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  Speaker 1: they had him baptized, and you know, because I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to like force religion on him as one does when
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  Speaker 1: is in a cult and they ended up and so
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  Speaker 1: they end up doing.
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  Speaker 2: It's not our Irish Catholic upbringing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but if you're in any building where the
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  Speaker 1: church elders are chanting while proclaiming to drink the blood
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  Speaker 1: and consume the body of a dead god, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you really shouldn't be bumping your gums a bit. Stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying you kind of fall into that whole
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  Speaker 2: death cult behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Effectively, it's a weird upbringings. It's split between positive and negative.
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  Speaker 1: So they're they're like spoiling him and then they've been
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  Speaker 1: like really harshly disciplining him. They're kind of jump in
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  Speaker 1: between the two. You enjoined that wine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's delicious. It's Isralian red, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: But is it as good a shower wine?
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  Speaker 2: No, because shower wine takes a lot longer to drink.
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  Speaker 1: Because you're getting it from the bottle, because it.
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  Speaker 2: Keeps refilling every time you turn your back on it.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's shallow water. Sometimes it is simply my tears
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  Speaker 1: shower wine. So anyway, the pose, the pose, the allens.
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  Speaker 1: So they end up in the UK for a bit,
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  Speaker 1: and po ends up going to a grammar school in
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  Speaker 1: a town I used to live in in Scotland. Oh okay,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, so that's an air shirt because John Allen
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  Speaker 1: was from there originally. So yeah, Edgar aland Poe went
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  Speaker 1: to a wee school in the town that I lived in,
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  Speaker 1: and that town is currently not very pleasant to be
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  Speaker 1: honest of it. That's what happens when there is enough
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  Speaker 1: investment in you know, areas.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just so now I'm wondering whenever I'm reading anything
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  Speaker 2: by Pope, should I read it in a slightly Scottish
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  Speaker 2: accent in my head or should I add a Boston accent.
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  Speaker 1: I actually don't know what his accent was, like, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like somebody knows. I feel like it's probably one
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  Speaker 1: of those mishmash things, because the Airshore accent is very
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  Speaker 1: different to say, like a Glasgow accent, like there's actually
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  Speaker 1: a variation in it, whereas I actually sound more like
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  Speaker 1: I'm either from Edinburgh or for the Highlands, even though
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  Speaker 1: I am from neither of those places. You sound like
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  Speaker 1: you're fear some of them. I was Georgie the other
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  Speaker 1: day and I was like, no, no, but yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what kind of accent he had. I feel like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but he ended up going to England too, so he
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  Speaker 1: was in London and he went to boarding school in Chelsea.
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  Speaker 1: By the time he's eleven, he is back with the
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  Speaker 1: Allens and they end up in Regimond of Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: So it's fair to say, at least for keeping up
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  Speaker 2: appearances and stuff, they definitely paid a lot for his education,
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  Speaker 2: even if they weren't going to formally adopt him.
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  Speaker 1: Because of the tensions between the Alans or at least
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  Speaker 1: John Allen, I couldn't really find anything about Francis, the
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  Speaker 1: foster mother. So yeah, man two, he's living with them
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  Speaker 1: and they have this weird upbringing, but they're putting them
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  Speaker 1: through all this formal education. They're putting them through all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff just too. I'm not so much sure. It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of the fact that it's for keeping up appearances
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to it being like the done thing, like
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  Speaker 1: if you have a child, you have to educate that
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  Speaker 1: you have to do it, like it's more like the
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  Speaker 1: rules as opposed to doing it for presentation.
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  Speaker 2: But they were definitely of the one percenters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really enjoying that sort of elite, upper class lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, when he's a little bit older. In eighteen
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  Speaker 1: twenty four, he has joined the Junior Honor Color Guard
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  Speaker 1: that escorts the Revolutionary War General de Lafayette. Lafayette what
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  Speaker 1: with bloodstains? Lafa yet, like when I'm when my mouth
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  Speaker 1: isn't a sore, I can really do that. I can
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  Speaker 1: do the full rap. I can't have practiced. I actually
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  Speaker 1: wanted to learn it in French, just to be that
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  Speaker 1: extra level of pretentious.
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  Speaker 2: That would be ahead of Christmas parties, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I bet I would be the worst. Yeah, So basically
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  Speaker 1: he's a Lafayette like he is sort of the junior
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  Speaker 1: Honor color Guard. So you're scorting Lafayette like round Richmond, Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: It's not anything else that's that's just a pretty cool
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  Speaker 1: little feather in your cap. Like, so Pa ends up
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  Speaker 1: standing guard on the front steps of the Richmond's Old
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  Speaker 1: stone House because Lafayette's visiting somebody in there, and which
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  Speaker 1: this stonehouse actually becomes the Pome Museum later on the
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  Speaker 1: one he said in front of.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: The have a little statue of them there, just constantly
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: keeping guard.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: That would be so cute. Eighteen twenty five, sort of
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the Allen's uncle and just sort of a financial supporter.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: He peep passes away and he ended who was actually
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: like one of the richest dudes in Richmond, leaving the
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Alans with what I can aly describe as a fuck
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: ton of money. I like to call it fuck you money,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Like they have so much money and they end up
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: with like real estate and in today's money about nineteen
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: million dollars. So yeah, there's there's a lot. There's a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: lot going on there. So really fucking rich. Although when
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you think about it, Edgar allan Pole is not formally adopted,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: so there would need to be a will in place
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: in order for him to inherit off the islands, you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: so that's kind of its own little thing.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: You would have to wonder whether or not that was
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: thrown in his face from time to time even as
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: a kid, or at least people reminded him that until
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: that happens, I accepted all that money's nice, but that
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: can be just snatched away. That's a it's a lot
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of uncertainty for a kid, especially at that age.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot. When he's seventeen, he gets engaged
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: to one Sarah Elmira Royster, which sounds exactly like a
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: name of somebody from this area. So they're engaged and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: she promises to you know, wait for him. Well he
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: goes to college that she you know, they're gonna get
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: married after he does his thing, and so he goes
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to the University of Virginia to study well ancient and
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: modern languages. I mean that's not actually that it seems fair.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I was gonna be like ancient languages. Aha, but no,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: actually think it was pretty fair to like do ancient
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and modern languages. Which modern languages I'm not entirely sure of.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Like the whole point, as you inversed anyway,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: is it was built on the sort of ideals of
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: one Thomas Jefferson. So there was meant to be no smoking,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: no booze, no guns, no horses. For whatever reason that
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: horses were allowed there, but it's the eighteen hundreds one
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: would expect horses. Oh, and gambling. Now this one's more
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: important because Edgar Allan Poe had a habit for gambling,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and so when he arrived at the university, unfortunately he
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: only had one hundred and ten dollars on him, and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the university's fees were thrice that. So you thought Okay,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: he thought, all right, and if you made myself some
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: money here, So what did he do? Gambles? And instead
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: of making money, he ends up two and a half
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: grand in debt.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: He should have folded, okay, And I was going to say,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you'd have to hand it to him. That's quite a lot,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: but that might be too subtle.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: He flush with success.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I can keep going.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I know, I saw, I saw, I saw. This iset
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: So anyway the university has, it's so sort of self
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: governing systems. People kind of take matters into their own hands,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: like they arrange their own boarding. They sort of report,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you know, people for doing the shit they shouldn't. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: eventually Edgar Allen poh. He he's not doing too well
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: because like he loses touch with Elmira and his foster
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: father because he doesn't really have enough finances because Alan
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: is not providing him the money he needs to go.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Clearly otherwise he would have gone, and he basically has
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: to has to leave once he comes back to Wachmond
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: after being there for a year, he comes back to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: discover that Elmira is married. Shame, shame. So basically what
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: happened is Elmira's dad sort of was reading her letters,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: he was intercepting them and saw that Paul basically wasn't
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: doing well. He was gambling all his money and he
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: was basically broke his shit and wasn't completely university and went,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: h no, that's not good.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: So if you had access to the fucking money, as
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: we put it, it probably would have been okay. But
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that that didn't put him in good stead either,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: because if he had the equivalent the fucking money, it
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: would have been a case of, you know what, he's
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: lost a little bit. I'm sure he'll get it back,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: or at least this is just what rich mend do
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: when they have no time or patients for anything.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So basically, Elmira ends up, the dad ends up telling
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: her to marry someone else, and you're gonna pushes her
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: in that direction, and this is an era where you
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: can't really say no to that. You're just gonna have
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to do it. So she gets married. He comes back
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and he's just back in Richmond, kind of depressed because
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: like Fionce, ex fiance is now married to someone else.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: His dad is foster dad, the man who raised him,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: not really speaking to him because you know, he gambled
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: away all his money and had he had to put
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: off his debts. He just it's just not doing well.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So Edgar's like, I gotta get the hell at a dodge.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And what does he do? I can't call him Edgar,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: like he's in my pal and like my paral Edgar.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: He ends up traveling to Boston. You don't stay that
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: long really, But while he's there he publishes his first
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: book of poetry, tamer Laine and Other Poems. And this
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: is under a pseudonym, the Bostonian Enigmatic, the Bostonian. I
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: wonder if he's from Boston. Who knows, Mildred? Who knows?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: So when he's eighteen, he does what all men struggling
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: with their finances do, joined the army.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Course, so he does really well in the army, actually,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: like he's doing surprisingly well, rises to the rank of
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: sergeant major in like two years. And then he goes
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: to West Point, where he does well, you know, academically,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: but again doesn't have access to the fucking money, so
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: he has financial issues. See here's the thing. Paul ends
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: up court martialed for extreme dereliction of duty.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: He absolutely self sabotages at that point.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's a very strange sort of situation.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: It has been from just the alcohol.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing about the alcohol, right, So they
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: talk about how edgarl and Poe was a big drinker,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and it's not that he's a big drinker because he
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: could only really handle like he would have what is
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: known as his customer glass of wine. He would have
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: one glass of wine and that would be him. He
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: couldn't really handle alcohol, so he never actually drank that much.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: He would literally drink like one glass. The reason he
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: ends up being court martialed is because he makes it happen.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So he intentionally gets court martialed, and he gets tried
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: for gross neglective durty disobedience of orders refusing to attend
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: informations classes in church. He ends up pleading not guilty
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: in order to force them to dismiss him because he'd
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: be found guilty. Sort of between starting west Point and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: getting court martialed. Francis Francis Alan, she passes away So's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: foster mom, she dies, and Alan within a year marries
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: his second wife, Louisa Patterson.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Moves on right and quick.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but as it turned out, as well. Alan
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: was just spreading a sausage all over Richmond, like he
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: had a bunch of like illegitimate kids. Edgar Allan Paule
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: just really wasn't about it, and so he was just
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: very angry with his foster dad about this. Generally. It's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: this that kind of sort of ended their relationship effectively.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: He ends up leaving for New York in eighteen thirty
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: one and releases a third volume of poems. Can you
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: can you guess what? He titled the book of.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Poems More poetry by a Bostonian.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Poems who just named it poems.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: You see. I love the fact that it's poems because
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: if he was really good with the wordplay, put a
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: little hyphen between pol and M and just turn it
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: into a joke. But he clearly missed a trick there.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: It's like he he because I think Edgrallan Poe he's
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: writing under like these variation of names, so he's like
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the Bostonian Henry something was another one, and he's just
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: kind of instead of his own name, which as you know,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: is a color fuck name. I don't, I don't anybody's
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: talking about it's a great name.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Actually have one of his poems here from a run
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: that time called a dream within a dream, at least
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: a part of it anyway. Okay, so it goes, take
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: this kiss upon the bride, and in parting from you
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: now thus much, let me have I. You're not wrong?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Who deem that my days have been a dream? Yet?
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: If hope have flown away in an either or in
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: a day, in a vision, or in none? Or is
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: it therefore the less gone? Or is it that we
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: see or seem is but a dream within a dream?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: So kind of sweet, but it's got a lot of
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the typical stuff that you would recognize in poetry. Is
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: kind of wish m. I mean, if you're crushing in
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: your your early twenties, you're not going to write the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: best poetry. I'm so close to breaking Kittie right now.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: You don't even realize. Mm hmm, depress. You've got this?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Have I have? I back to? Oh no, Actually, so
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: we had a a conversation last week. I believe maybe
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: more time has passed, I don't know, and I was
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: talking about Edgar Allan Poe and then I sent you
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: my favorite Halloween costume I've ever seen on a human,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: which I was so shocked you hadn't seen it because
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it has lived on the Internet a long time. But
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: clearly I am in different circles than you. And it's
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Edgar Allen Hole and it's basically this dude an appropriate
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Edgar Allan poet that except he's wearing booty shorts and fish.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Nets never more written on the back, always less but
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: never more.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, we need to get through a post stupid life, right,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I'm kidding.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, we're getting to the even more sortid parts. So
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: he was kicked out of.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Richly Military School West Point, and his dad remarried and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: thanks for the ship, and so he ended up going
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to Baltimore. Why did I say it?
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Did say Baltimore?
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: It was I wasn't sure whether or not the correct
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: that one.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: You're like, what was that by pronouncing it weird?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Is it insensitive for me to point that? One night?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Back to the sad and sordid life I th Grell
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and Pole. So speaking of so he's in Baltimore and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: he's living with a bunch of relatives. It's effectively couch surfing,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: you know, like the equivalent eighteen hundreds, the nineteenth century
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: couch surfing. So you have him staying with his aunt
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Maria Clem and her daughter, his cousin Virginia.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've heard.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: So Poe ends up living in Baltimore for about four years,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and he is moving between writing poetry. Two short stories,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: and one particular publication takes interest in him, The Southern
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Literary Messenger, and it's based in Richmond, Virginia, and it's
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: here a Poe publishes Metzengerstein, which is apparently his first
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: horror story. Okay, mm hmm, followed by Bernice. You've heard
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: a Bernice.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I have experienced bits and pieces of Bernice, but I've
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: never sat down to fully read it. So I know
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: that Edgar Allan poet preached approached all of his short
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: stories in the exact same way, which is, you need
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: to be able to read it all in one city.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And everything has to have a purpose. There has to
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: be a Every single word has to be measured and
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: teamed and driven to a certain agenda. He's not one
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: for fluff at all.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I mean kind of like Hemingway, who's just
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: like no, the less words the better, as opposed.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: To James's choice. Yeah, who says words are not even words?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: You don't even know.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I don't even Ah. I looked at the cover of
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Ulysson got tired. I was like, no, like, fuck this snow.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So if I want to listen to the rantings of
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: a drunken irishman, I have plenty of places to go
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I can just walk half of my up of the road.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I am good to go.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Really not a challenge for me.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: So he writes, Bernice right, and Britnice is so terrifying,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: so horrific, so graphic for the time. The Southern Literary
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Messenger receives a fuck ton of complaints from readers, and
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: they get so many complaints the editor offers Poe a
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: job on the staff. Ah. Yes, people are angry, people
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: are engaging with your content. Stay please.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: As reviews are still reads.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Reviews are still read. So he's he's interesting because at
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: this point Poe is one of the few writers who's
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: just trying to make a living as a writer like that,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: as opposed to having a second job in this or
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: it being a main job in them having the writing
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: on the side, which is very common. And he's he's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: not a great time because you've got like the great
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: panic happens, and then you also have the fact that
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: copyright is kind of funny because international copyright wasn't really
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: like established, so people were taking British stories and just
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: publishing them in America and be like, I wrote this,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: give me money. So yeah, So he was struggling a bit,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and so he's there and he's working at the Messenger
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and the guy who hired him. They sort of rubbing
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: against each other a bit. Things aren't things aren't great.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: This story goes it's about pose drinking. But again this
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: is all like made up. So the whole thing I
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: hit by him being an alcoholic is basically put up
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: by this deck created right, He's just like a head
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: ed of Garlin pool. He was an alcoholic. The man
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: could handle one drink. He was a lightweight, was his issue.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: So he couldn't really drink more than his one glass
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: of shower way, his bath baillies and his shower way.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: We're painted in a very particular picture.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: That involves water and alcohol, which I feel is bodies
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: of water and alcoholic. I feel something we shouldn't like
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: really mix.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, they're going boating voting with April Spirts and a yeah,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: who ends up inviting his aunt and cousin Maria in
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Virginia to live with him in Richmond, and it's a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: year later that he basically get the legal document for
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: them to be married. Whether or not they were actually
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: married at this point, we don't know because we don't
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: have the documentation. We know he obtained the license, but
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: we don't know if they were actually married at the time,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: because he's twenty seven and she was thirteenselves yep, thirteen thirteen.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Now, although I did hear on the paperwork she wrote
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: down that she was twenty one at the time in
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: order to try and smooth that through, because even though
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: that kind of age was a little bit more acceptable,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: it was still seen as a bit of a scandal
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: at that point as well.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's it's interesting because there's there's no guarantee
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: that it happened at that time, but it has agreed
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: that they got married at some point. So because there's
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: such like a massive age gap, and because of her
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: age more so than his, it's it's there's questions about
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the relationship. So because Paul would refer to Maria as muddy,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: which you know, like like so like like a like
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: mum muddy, you know, like a mother term and Virginia
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: was known as Sissy sister, so whether this was him
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: marrying her too. I don't want to justify the marrying
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: of children, but like this could have been some sort
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: of well if I married her and if I make money,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: then you know they're supported.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: And sure smoke screen for something well equally as scandalous
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: and probably more scandalous. So they've taken maybe the lesser
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: of the two options.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we don't really know what happened, because I mean,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: we don't know what happened. Being closed doors, we don't
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: know what they were, like, there's no diaries to work from.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: But it seemed that these two women, this girl and
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: this woman in posed life that grounded him and he
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: was having less issues, you know, because of their existence.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Sure, and he.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Seems to be like just a better dude. So he's
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: more responsible, he's not gambling, and he's generally like happier,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: like during the year's where he's with them. So he's
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: at the Messenger, and he wants to write other things, right,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: he wants to write other types of stories, other types
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: other than sort of this dark horror. But people are
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: only interested in him for his horror, for his darkness,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and so they're like, no, keep doing it and very
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Actually he ends up leaving The Messenger in eighteen thirty eight,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: and this is where he's really getting popular, so that
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: he writes The Telltale Heart, The Mask of the Red Death,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: The Black Cat, The Pit and the Pendulum, The Gold Bug,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: The Fall of the House of Usher, the Murders in
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: the Room Morgue, so on and so forth. What's actually
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: really interesting about Murder in the Room Morgue is that
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the character in it the August Dupin DuPont Dupin. That
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: character is who Arthur Conan Doyle based Sherlock off of Ah.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Because it's Murder in the Murders in the Room Morgue
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: is seen as the first modern detective story, which again
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: is it varies from his typical sort of oh spooky, spooky.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Stuff based on type cast me.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah. Basically, Dupon as this eccentric genius he souls
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: wild and mysterious crimes, and Conan Doll's like, that sounds interesting,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: but like, if you actually read most post stuff, most
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: of the stuff he writes is actually it would be
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: comedy for the era, not funny now, but in the
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: time it would have been seen as a comedy like
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: as opposed to like horrors and oh that's it's, you know.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: A parody. In a lot of ways, there would have
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: been a lot of references to modern characters, and it
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: would have been easy to see modern people being referenced
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: in the stories, and their names are being protected, the
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: teams are protecting, and.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: He does all this stuff. He's like, he's written horror,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: he's written detective stuff, he's writing comedy, he's writing science fiction,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: like he is just in prime time doing great. He's
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: written in all these genre is. But again, it's horror
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: that's really pushing him to the to the front rit
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: because he's doing deep psychological horror, not just woo you know,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: it's it's not your Hack and Slash. That being said,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I do enjoy the graphic novel Hack and Slash.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: It's such a fantastic story. You actually sent the copy
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: to me. I remember the first said. I was like,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: you doing this, this is I must insist. But with
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of post stuff, just from growing up and
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: reading those stories as a kid, it was different from
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the typical kind of horror stuff that I was even
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: used to at that time, because it was it was
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: a lot more psychological, and it dealt a lot with
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the idea of death and resurrection and returning from the
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: grave and messages from beyond and this kind of cycle
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: that the end isn't really the end, which horror at
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: that time didn't really deal with. But he started to
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: bring it in and you can see those ripples in
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: other horror stories further down the line. And I do
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: think that he even had influences and the likes of
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Lovecraft and even right Daunted today with Stephen King's work
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: and Ann Rice's stuff. The idea that death is just
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: a doorway and it's actually a two way door. That
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: that was very much pose pose modus opera.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: And and you know, he's also like Scooby Doo, right,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: And I have a reason for this, Edgar Allen po.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Choker and his big pumpkinhead behind him.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: So because the real monster, the real evil as people,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: not the ghosts and gouls. So it's like the capacity
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: of evil like within a person like that was his
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: whole like thing, and it was one of the first
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: people to really sort of dale into that. And then
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: of course we have Poe's most famous piece of work,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: published in eighteen forty five, The Raven a particular favorite.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have, I have so much.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: It was actually one of the episodes.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: It was one of the first episodes that I want
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: to share because it's it's so iconic to horror in general,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and it's something I even as a child. Again, it
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: wasn't something I knew until the Simpsons episode Can you
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: remember the Simpsons? I remember that, and they did such
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and honestly, it's probably one of the best interpretations of
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: that story that brought it the life for a whole generation.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I honestly think that it was a watershed moment for
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: horror in general. For modern day, A lot of kids
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: would have seen that and been like, what what is
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: this story? And although it's done in a comedic fashion
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: with the raven having Art's face and teasing them from
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the you know, the top, but yeah, how can anybody
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: not recognize whenever here wants upon a bid Nigeria. It's
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: such an iconic line that even songs. You can hear
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: people quoting that in songs and it brings to mind
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: everything about it. And the best thing about it is
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: that so much of it's in his own imagination as well.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: It's not that the raven is this literal embodiment there
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: to haunt him. It's possible that the fella's just lost
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: his mind and his grief, and Poe's very good at
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: creating an unreliable narrator from things like the Cast, you know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: the Fall of the Eyes of Us Here, all of
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. You read it and you can
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: come away with it and go, well, there's still a
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: perfectly rational, unreasonable explanation as to why all of this happened.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: The person who's telling us the story isn't right in
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: the head.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love us. You're like, it's not great. It's
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: not great, but it's I used to have this sidebar.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I used to have this a hardback copy will follow
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the House of Usher and other stories, and then between
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: me moving houses like twelve times disappear into the ether.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I really need to rebuild
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: my classics collection, It says me, looking at my bookcase,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: which is actually too full of books.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: But have you got the double layers or triple layers yet?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: We'll see some some and some of them. The books
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: are so big, it doesn't I can't do the layers.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And then I also have the top, so there are
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: books there's three shelves in my bookcase. Three shelves are filled,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: the bottom shelf is doubled, and then on top of
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: the bookcase, I have more books, and then a bookend
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: that I made. I have bookends holding up more books
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: on top of my chest of drawers. And then my
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: bedside table has cabinets, got books on the shelf and
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: then underneath it and then on top of it. So
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I mean I have some X. You have a few bis,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: and there's more in the loft. And then my ex's house,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: which is storing for.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Me because the whenever I was growing up, my parents
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: for very much like here's a book, go away, please
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: leave us alone. Here's more horror stories, and pose there's
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: a I might have even been the same collection, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been much bigger than my fist, and
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: had had five stories in it. It had to see,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: if I can remember, it had the gold bug, It
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: had tell tale heart, followed the house of usher h
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: the cask of hose, get the pronunciation wrong among the ladder,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: the task of that. I felt like it's walled up,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: which is still iconic because Batman did it once. But
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: that's another story. And what was the final one that
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: might have been it. But whenever you're nine or ten
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: and you're under bedsheets and you're reading about somebody who's
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: been lured into the subterranean layers and just casually getting
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: drunker and drunker and then put in the little alcove
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: and then suddenly chained up and bricked and they won't
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: be able to escape. It leaves you with ripples of fear.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ripples of fear.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Ripples. It's a new kind of ice cream actually coming.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Out this Christmas Delicious will be the ice cream taste
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: like pumpkin and pumpkin spice.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: And vanilla.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: So the Raven basically just shoots his career up because
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: he's already known in literary circles. He's kind of known
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: as you know, the spooky dude. But the Raven makes
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: him a household name and he only makes about fifteen
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: dollars at the time. But because it's so popular, because
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: everyone just gets obsessed over this, it has international success,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: and he ends up with all these opportunities and ends
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: up taking on these clients and giving lectures and doing
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and doing like readings and whatnot, reciting his poem. He's
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: like he's making bank, like things are going really really
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: well for him. And yeah, he ends up being like
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: one of the first writers, and I think maybe the
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: first American writer to completely live off like writing. I
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: completely do that, which is which is interesting because like again,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: for most of his wife, he struggled financially even though
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: he you know, could very well have access to fuck
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: you one mm hmm.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: But at that point was his father still around with
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: the stepfather let me like me said, I've seen the
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: reference because I know that their relationship was very patchy anyway,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: from what I remember, even though the stepmother had said,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: you two need to get along, and the stepfather said, Okay,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: we'll give it another try and I'll help sponsor you
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: into Richmond and go into military school. But then during
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: military school you went, now changing my mind, I'm done you.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Just I'm absolutely done with you, Edgar. And I know
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: that he turned up at one point then when he
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: heard that his father was or stepfather was gone to die,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: and as he approached the deathbed, stepfather got a keen
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: and started waving it at him and threatening him with
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: violence if he came any closer.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he basically I think the dad the
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: foster dad died in I think eighteen thirty three, let
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: me double chick, eighteen thirty four, eighteen thirty four, and
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I think the last time they spoke was like eighteen
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: thirty three, I think is how it went in. But yeah,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: it's basically even up until even up to the eighteen thirties.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: For a lot of that, Edgar Hell and Pool would
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: still sort of dabble in getting assistance, like financial assistant
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: from his dad, and then you yeah, yeah, eventually he
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: was like no, no, because he went this whole thing.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: We would either give him loads of money or give
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: him nothing, like it was very like hot and cold.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: While Poe is getting all this success in all of
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: this sort of you know, adoration and money. You know,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: his wife, Virginia, well she has tuberculosis and she's sick
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: for a good number of years, and she dies in
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: eighteen forty seven. And at this point the couple are
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: living in New York and Virginia is twenty four at
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: this point, so they'd be married eleven years and she's
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: died of tuberculosis. And this fucking shatters Poe like he
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: is just he's broken, you know, and he never really
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: recovers from her death, like not emotionally, he relied on
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: her for basically bearing the mental load for being his
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: emotional support wife, you know, and grounding him. So they
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: live in New York. They were doing this and then
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: she dies and so he does this automatic thing which
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: is moved back to Richmond, and he moves back there.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: And who just so happened to be, you know, a
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: very wealthy widow, but Sarah Elmira Royster Shelton, the very
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: girl woman i should say, who promised to marry him
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: after graduation but ended up marrying this you know, very
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: very well renowned society fellow with lots of money and
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: business acumen who is now also dead. So so her
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: kids are now adults. They freak out because they get
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: engaged in the fuck this for game of Soldiers?
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: What is this?
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: No, don't do this? And they're engaged, and Paul he
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: is like determined, he's going to move back to Richmond. Okay,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: So he's going back to New York to bring Maria up.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: His mother in law is Auntie, back to Richmond with him,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: so he's going to take care of her. And he
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: also had to go see a client in Philadelphia. And
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Poe's last day in Richmond was September twenty sixth, eighteen
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: forty nine, and he's not doing great, like medically, he's
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: just getting over cholera, because of course he is, and
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: he's not doing great, and he's he tries to get
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: him to a doctor, and he does because one of
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: his friends is the doctor. But instead of getting any
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: kind of medical treatment, they just hang out, so it's
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: more like just meeting his buddy. He has this meeting,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: he goes to Sadler's restaurant, has a meal, and at
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: four a m. September twenty seven to eighteen forty nine,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: he gets on a ship, a tenor Tripaltimore. Between this
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: in October third, there is no information. We don't know
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: where he was, what he was doing, none of that. So, yeah,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: he was supposed to be going to Philadelphia to edit
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: a poetry collection. He basically has an itinerary. He's going
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: to go to Philadelphia, he's going to do this job.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: He's going to go to New York. He's going to
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: get Maria. He's going to bring her back to Rechimond.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: But then nobody sees him for a full bloody week
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: and then on October third, he is found in the gutter, right,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: So he's lying there by gunners, and he is wearing
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: someone else's clothes. They were cheap. He didn't wear cheap clothes.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: He were expensive clothes, but they lasted him. So he's
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: wearing cheap clothes. They don't fit him, and they are
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: completely different to what he normally wears. And he's in
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: this he's sort of disheveled. He's disorientated, and it's almost
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: as if he's in disguise, like he's dressed in someone
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: else's clothes and the gut like and he takes and
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: he's so he's discovered, and they take him to this
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: hospital board. This particular hospital board is usually where they
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: take people who are hammered, so it's like the junk tank, right,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: And the only talk to who sees it was like,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: why is he here? He's clearly not drunk, like he's delirious.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: He's kind of babbling and might be like hallucinating. He's
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: kind of talking incoherently, but he never really gets it
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: together enough to explain where he was or what happened,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: because he's slipping in and out of consciousness, like he
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't have any way to explain that this business trip
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: somehow turned and to him doning someone else's clothes and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: lying I mean the street.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: We've all had a trip where we've ended up in
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: someone else's clothes, but generally we can remember why within
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: a day or two. He seems to have been From
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: what I remember, whenever he was found, it didn't look
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: like he'd been attacked. He was learning his words, and
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: the sources kind of differ a little bit, but apparently
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: he had an aversion of water at that time as well.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of different theories is to what
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: had happened to him, And I just remember that it
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: became almost a mystery of his own writing. It would
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: have been something from his own novels. The way we've
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: been found and the whole situation that he was discovered
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: in would have been something perfect for his stories.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, so his official course of death ends up being frenitis.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: He dies in October seventh, and it's from now just
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: congestion of the brain, which is basically what they would
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: label death stificates if someone was died of alcohol abuse
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: or a drug overdose or just kind of or stuff
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: they could not explain. So again there's theories. One is
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: he drank himself to death, but he's generally sober. Because
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: it's this dick who has out for him. We just
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: decides to tell everyone that Paul is, you know, a
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: big drunkard, but he's such a lightweight. So he'd gone
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: out and had a glass of wine as far as
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: anyone knows, and that was the last thing he had,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: and any friends of tests they've done find it unlikely
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: that he was drinking like during this time. Yeah, another
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: theory is that he's robbed. But there is one theory
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: that he was one to count in aar quotes that
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: he met some friends in Baltimore and after his like
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: single drink his little glass of wine, he is just
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: somehow absolutely sloshed, is wandering around, insults a woman and
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: her lady friends beat the crap out of him and
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: rob him. Now I'm saying it's not true. I'm just saying, one,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: he wasn't beaten. In two, why would they change his
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: clothes Like it's a very very respectful mugging. If the
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: person who like steals your shit then dresses you in
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: something else like no.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: So there is another theory that I came across, which
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: was because of the aversion the water. There was a
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: fear that it was something, that it was rabies, and
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: apparently within a couple of days of him dying, they
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: went to visit his home and his cadad died at
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: the same time. So they believe that it's entirely possible
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: that his cat had contracted rabies and infected him before
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: he went on.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is my favorite one. This is my favorite one. Okay,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing. So quickly elections them will get
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: to rabies because rabies is my favorite and it's the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: one that I think is correct. So basically they think
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: it could have been cooking. The reason his clothes were
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: changed was that in order to get an official elector,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: because there was an election going on at this time,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: is they would take someone, they would get them drunk,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: and they would make them go to polling stations in
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: different clothes so they could vote and revote and revote.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: And he's a lightweight, so that was excluding my clothes
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: were changed. So that's that.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Theory, and it reminds me of that Simpsons again, Simpson's
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: episode where Homer wants the free samples and he keeps
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: walking away and coming back in different clothing in order
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: to get another free sausage at the supermarket. Yes, no, no,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: you've never met me before. So they were doing that
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: with voting that was quite prolific at the time, and
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I think that they checked the records and there was
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: vooning happening at that time, and it had to clearly
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: have been a problem because they had to introduce laws
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: in order to say that this is a problem, and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: they published articles to say that anybody was called doing
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: this would be going to jail. And there was an
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: election at the time. So it's definitely one of the
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: theories that hold a little bit of water. Excuse me, so.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, So basically, this doctor started recently, not that longer,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: maybe a decade ago, started sharing on this information about
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: this patient and their symptoms and what I thought it was,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: and so people looking out going, well, it's not this,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: it's not this, not this. It actually seems to have
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: this patient seems to have died of a mysterious disease
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: which has all of the hallmarks of Rabi's. So he
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: has the patient, as they said, so, had viral encephalitis,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: which is Raybi's, which attacks the brain and the central
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: nervous system. And so there's fluctuations and pulse, this persparation, delirium,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: coma and confusion. You get a little bit better and
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: then you relapse and the clinical sort of course between
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: you know, infection and death is four days over the
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: course of this. So only twice in recorded history has
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: anyone survived rabies, and the ones who did were the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: same as where before. Like, that's why you get a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Raby shot like to like, because once this enciphlitis takes effect,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: you're goneer it's it's Raby's means brain damage effectively, no
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: matter what happens, and ned time for adds no. So
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: basically what happens is have.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: You had your wine today?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Have you had your ship were wine today?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: A cup a day keeps the her monster away. I
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: don't know, I'm trying to find outay the link of
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: the doctors, but Apple kind of corners that market.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a bastard. So basically, twenty six years after Poe dies, right,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: his grave has moved, he gets exhumed. And this is
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: this is the thing because every dec they're going to
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: go take a poke at the famous writer. And what
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: worker says that when he was moving the body, Po's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: brain rattle around in his head. Now maybe thinking that's
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: about wheeled, considering brains are notorious for rotting incredibly quickly.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: They are the skishy things. So yeah, yeah, so not
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: known for rattling.
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  Speaker 1: A doctor did say that there were lesions on Poe's brain,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons why he was such
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: a lightly so as every possibility he had some kind
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: of brainch of her. But yeah, you know how that
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: one doctor we were talking about earlier who was like
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: the only witness to pose like death thing, the.
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  Speaker 2: Death names the death Right should be the name of
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: another one of his books. But yes, so.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor John Moran right or morn it depends whether these
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: in the Irish pronunciation or not. Anyway, So he keeps
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: changing his story, so like at one point he's saying that,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: you know, Poe never you know, was never conscious, he
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: never regained consciousness, and others he's like, oh, he was
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: reciting poetry. And then he also said that Paul was
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: mentioning Reynolds. Now he was actually forbidding other visitors from
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: coming in to see Edgar Allan Poe because of his
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: excitable state. I'm not saying that he murdered him. I'm
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: just saying he just kind of people have. Maybe it
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: was a kind of a respect thing and weoble to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: see him like that, or whether he thought he was
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: generally protecting him, or maybe he just didn't want people
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: like crowding around and making a mess in his hospital,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: like weird fans. Right when Moore in the doctor is
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: telling like the story, he's talking about Reynolds that Paul
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: is repeatedly calling for a person named Reynolds, and nobody
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: else in the world has a fucking clue who this
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Reynolds person is. I mean, the best guess is Jeremiah Reynolds,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: who was an explorer who inspired like one of Poe's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: characters and his things, but like or Henry Reynolds, who
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: was a judge at the time, you know, in the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: area where the elections were happening. But but was he
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: actually saying Reynolds was his speech third or was this
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: doctor were just making shut up? Because clearly you can't tell,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: you know, a linear story, what would be really helpful
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: in the situation, What would be particularly helpful in the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: situation would be, I don't know, a death certificate, an autopsy,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: perhaps anything there were no records, nothing survived, like no
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: autopsy was ever performed on you know, the famous writer
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: who died in a mysterious death. Nobody thought might want
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: to check that, but yeah, it's a bit.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Of a weird one. Yeah, I from what I remember,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: I think the most common cause of death at that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: time was arsenal poisoning, So if you had something in
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: for somebody, you were more likely to just poison their
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: food or drink because it was very hard to trace
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: and the autopsies weren't great at that time for being
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: able to evidence it. So if anyone had any kind
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: of malicious intent, that would generally have been the method
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: to go about it if it was pre planned.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then who had tried to end his life
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: like your previous by overdosing on laudanum?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: But like, can we just point out how emo and
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: gothic it is to try and overdose?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: And though I know it's like, m all right, just.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it screens the Mary Shelley Lord Byron drama, just
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: screaming drama. Drama, yeah, drama.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: But like it's so weird though, because he has this
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: big head, right, So I keep thinking about the fact
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: that he's a head like a fucking pumpkin, right, so
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: what if there's something in that, Like what if he
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: just can I have weird brain stuff going on, although
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: I'm still convinced as rabies because everything adds up to rabies.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Raby's with the cat on the
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: water aversion because water reversion is a very particular kind
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: of symptom, and it would have been at a time
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: when they wouldn't have put much stock into what it was.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't have immediately connected that with rabies. But we
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: can say in hindsight that that is a very clear
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: and unique symptom of something to do with rabies. The
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: time skills are a little bit tricky. You mentioned four
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: days is the typical kind of time skills, but he'd
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: been missing for a week, So had he maybe staved
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: it off in some way or did it take longer
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: to show maybe it was something that actually happened while
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: he was away and that it's not connected to the
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: cap but he still managed to pick up brabies.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so four days is sort of the average time.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: But like he was traveling and he was good by boat,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean this is the eighteen hundreds. Things
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: are not fast, you know. It's still a relatively slow
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: travel situation, so like there was no record of him
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: getting off the boat, you know what I mean, we
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: just know even on it because of other people. So
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: people might not have necessarily recognize him by face, you know,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: the time, So he could have been anywhere who has
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: just been traveling and seeing what happened, you know, potentially
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: potentially potentially a raven poisoned him and retaliation for prismatching
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: his good name.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: For the slander that had caused h Although I did
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: read somewhere that the raven at one point stage would
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: potentially have been called the parrot because he wanted some
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: a bird of some sort to be talking. It is
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: possible that that might have been part of this comedy routine. Yeah,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: but the idea of calling that the parrot and having
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: a parrot coming through the window completely changes, is the Yeah,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: the aesthetic.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because ravens ravens talk. It's fucking creepy. Creepy as hell.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: There was some about any of the videos. It just no,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: it seems like it's a cursed thing.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Mmm mmmm. That being said, dear ravens, uh you cool though,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: don't peck us to death?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you? Well, yeah, we would appreciate it. Words of
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: a feather. You know, is that a middle finger at me?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Go fund yourself, Go fuck yourself.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: So I love that there was a slight dawning on
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: your face. Is that kind of crept in? And you're like, oh,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: is it not?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Because you look what problem was is I was trying
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: to think of way to get plumage into the conversation
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: and then you did that, and I was like, absolutely,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: you could have gone.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: For flock's sake, It's so ends your story.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Abouedgar Alan Paul, Are you planning to murder me?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that on this podcast, which
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: has many thousands followers, so probably best not to have
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: that out there in the world.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: So if I have a version of water in the
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: next couple of days, so.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Firstly I have to find an animal that has rabies,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: and then I have to somehow get that animal to you,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: and then I have to ensure that you get bitten
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: by that animal. It's a lot of work.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: All of the monkeys on Monkey Island, which is a
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: small island off the coast of Thailand's near Paquette, all
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: of them have rabies. For reference, Oh, I'll.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Just get you to an island off the coast of Thailand. Yeah,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: that's I'll just make that happen. Great, Yeah, you're in
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: that one ore you have go.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: It'll be a slow ride. I'm going to take the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: steam out of the Thailand and I'll let you know
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: when I get infected.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, to Thailand, to Monkey Island. Jesus, guy
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Brush three wood. So what we're going to do now?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: As well? Everyone knows they can follow me on my socials.
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• 1:12:12
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• 1:12:14
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• 1:12:15
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• 1:12:17
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• 1:12:21
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• 1:12:30
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• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: much every single platform. You'll find me try my hand
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: at everything and I will try and find it way
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: to entertain you on the mean.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Time your podcast X.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: But yes, there is the podcast which I just started
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: a is Kraken's Cabin, which is me reading various stories
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: from Whenever I loved climbing under a duvet with a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: torch and reading horror stories. Edgar Allan Pobe in one
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: of them. At the moment, we're actually reading Oscar Wilde's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Portrait of Dorian Gray. So if you like chill SMR stories,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: I will read them to you. And there's a little
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: bit of a mystery that I'm building or round it
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: to explain what's going on in the meantime as to
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: why you're at that cabin.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Great true. So I don't know if you've ever actually
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: listened to my podcast episodes to your friend, but at
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: the very end, I always do like a little recommendation,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: so I would like to ought to give that privilege.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: To you reading. I would recommend Meddling Kids, which is
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: a the best way to describe it as a fan
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: fix sequel of Scooby Doo with.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: An actual horror story based onto it.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: So imagine if the Scooby gang had grown up and
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: you're reconnecting with them after twenty years, but it's an
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: actual love crafting story built or round it. So I
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: would definitely recommend that as a read as a watch.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: I think it's very in theme to recommend the Fall
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: of the House of Cher, which has recently been added
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: to Netflix. I have yet to try it, I was
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: old enough to this weekend, but a lot of friends
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: have actually checked it out already and very strongly recommended
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: it's It's a fantastic show, so that's definitely worth watching
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: and listening to if it wasn't your podcast and voting
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: three times for it in the view Sports Key all
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: of the things. One of my personal favorites is always
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Welcome the night Field. I love the absurd horror elements
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: to it, but also Cecil is pretty much an icontomy.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: I just any time I'm having a tough day, just
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: listening the Cecil tell me about his stories that he
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: doesn't remember his childhood or his mother and the nightmarish
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: night nursery story she told him. And always one point.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Sometimes see when I'm decorating. Actually, if I've got lots
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: of decorating to do, like painting walls and things like that,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: that's when I listened to to Nightville. Just like it's
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: just so much it's some stream reason. It's very soothing.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: I think yeah, it's the similar fashion. I was actually
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: painting my living room and absolutely binged about fifteen episodes
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: of Welcome to Night Deal during the entire time. It's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: just it's one of those shows that I just it
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: got me through COVID lockdowns. It was something that kept
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: me company through so many little things. I've discovered songs
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: through it. I believe they're going on tour now. They
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: might be in Dublin soon, so I will actually speak
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: to you about that at some point. Plans are for
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: but you're coming to buff Us first for the markets.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I have to Yeah, I'll make it work.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: We'll take two pictures this time, Ah.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Two pictures and what graally vidio.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: In front of it, cheers and a very burnt marshmallow.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: So without further ado, we shall bet you good night
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Adios my friends, Bye bye Chow