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Jaguars Happy Hour | '26 Season So Far, Trade Deadline, Post-Bye Week Jags · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Monday, October 26th.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Jaguars Happy Hour is brought
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  Speaker 2: to you by Jet Home Loans. And now, a gal
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  Speaker 2: who can do anything she wants because she's Banazak strong,
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  Speaker 2: Kainane Stephens.
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  Speaker 3: An honor. I appreciate that. Welcome to Jaguars Happy Hour,
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  Speaker 3: Kainane Stephens. Here with Austin Lane and Pete Prisco, Pete
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  Speaker 3: Banaszak passing away of Raiders, Holy Roller fame, but also
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  Speaker 3: was with the Jags as well.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Pete?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He was around town for a long time. Pete was
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  Speaker 4: a one-of-a-kind, man. He was a tough old man. He
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  Speaker 4: was tough as could be.
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  Speaker 5: And anybody who remembers him when he played, he was
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  Speaker 5: a tough football player too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Pete was a good man.
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  Speaker 3: I was enjoying, I went back and watched one of
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  Speaker 3: the NFL films about the Holy Roller incident. And they
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  Speaker 3: were just talking about how the entire Raiders team was
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  Speaker 3: out karaoke-ing in San Diego until like four in the morning.
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  Speaker 6: So that's why they were playing like crap at that point.
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  Speaker 6: And then just try to salvage something at the end
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  Speaker 6: of the game. So I always enjoy those old stories.
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  Speaker 4: That was a wild bunch now.
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  Speaker 6: I don't doubt it. I don't doubt it.
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  Speaker 4: Just look at it.
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  Speaker 5: And they didn't have social media back then where everybody
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  Speaker 5: found out.
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  Speaker 4: What you were doing either.
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  Speaker 3: You could actually have some fun. Sounds like a good time.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we had some fun. We had a bye week.
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  Speaker 6: Pete doesn't get a bye week. Pete's always working.
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  Speaker 1: But we had a bye week.
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  Speaker 3: We had a Jaguars bye week. So hopefully everybody got
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  Speaker 3: to do whatever they needed to do. Clean out the garage.
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  Speaker 3: Get your chores done. Get some brunch in. Because now
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  Speaker 3: we're back to football. We are going to talk today.
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  Speaker 3: We've got some stuff coming up.
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  Speaker 6: For you featuring, you know. what went on in the bi-week, obviously.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bi-week win for me, I'm saying, because you
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  Speaker 3: didn't play, but some other people won and that helped
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  Speaker 3: you out in the long term.
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  Speaker 6: Also, buyers are sellers. We're two weeks out now from
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  Speaker 6: the trade deadline.
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  Speaker 3: So we've been talking about that every single week and
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  Speaker 3: we're going to continue to do that here as well.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to keep it real and we are going
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  Speaker 3: to answer fan questions that have come in. If you
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  Speaker 3: have any more, send them to me on Twitter. I'll
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  Speaker 3: ask them on the show because why not? So Pete,
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  Speaker 3: you keep track of everybody, and I watched a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of football, not a ton this weekend, but it's
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  Speaker 3: always good when, if you're not playing, at least everybody
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  Speaker 3: else in the division is also losing.
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  Speaker 6: That has to help.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, after what happened last week in London, everybody
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  Speaker 5: started again with, oh, the Texans are back, they're going
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  Speaker 5: to take the division. And then they get home, and
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  Speaker 5: the Giants... really put it to them. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I know it was close at the end, but they
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  Speaker 5: were dominating that game. They controlled the whole flow of
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  Speaker 5: that game. And this Scadaboo run, if he doesn't pull
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  Speaker 5: up with the hamstring, he probably scores. And then they
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  Speaker 5: score in the next play.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they pushed them around. They were more physical.
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  Speaker 5: And I think the fact that they lost, the Colts
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  Speaker 5: look awful and lost and the Titans continue to look bad.
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  Speaker 5: I dare I say that the division's over. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to quite go that far, but man,
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, it sure has.
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  Speaker 4: A feel of that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it really does.
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  Speaker 7: And listen, I was drinking that Kool-Aid thinking, okay, Houston
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  Speaker 7: Texans beat Jacksonville in London. CJ Stroud kind of looks
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  Speaker 7: like a top, you know, we'll call him a top
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  Speaker 7: seven quarterback in the league.
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  Speaker 1: Like, and they have an easier schedule.
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  Speaker 7: So we thought with the giants coming up, I thought
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  Speaker 7: for sure the Texans would be right back in it
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  Speaker 7: and give the giants a lot of, you know, credit
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  Speaker 7: here because, uh, I had the Texans winning this game
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  Speaker 7: by a bunch, simply because new quarterback, Judge McCarthy and everything.
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  Speaker 7: But I was really impressed with the New York Giants defense.
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  Speaker 7: And this is a defense, maybe much like in Jacksville,
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  Speaker 7: hasn't got to the quarterback a lot, right, despite some
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  Speaker 7: pretty big names in that defense. But to me, Pete,
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  Speaker 7: and this is where I kind of bring it to
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  Speaker 7: a Jaguars point a little bit. If you look at
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  Speaker 7: what the Giants did to that Texans offense, now I
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  Speaker 7: get that the box score says one thing. Stroud had
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  Speaker 7: a pretty, you know, he had two touchdowns and everything.
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  Speaker 7: Stroud wasn't himself. Nico Collins was definitely held in check.
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  Speaker 7: And it's all because to me, as Deontay Banks essentially said,
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to cover Nico Collins one-on-one, press him, man coverage.
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  Speaker 7: And we saw what the benefits were of that. So
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  Speaker 7: I saw Banks do his thing. I'm like, man, could
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  Speaker 7: Travis Hunter essentially do the exact same thing in this
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  Speaker 7: Jaguars defense and maybe give him a little more oomph,
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  Speaker 7: if you will?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how I would play it.
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't have blitzed him as much as the Jaguars
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  Speaker 5: did the last time they played him. But I think
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  Speaker 5: the fact that Deontay Banks is not as good a
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  Speaker 5: corner as Travis Hunter, and he was able to limit him.
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  Speaker 4: And look, we know what Collins is.
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  Speaker 5: He's a physical, tough receiver, but he's not going to
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  Speaker 5: really run by you consistently. He's not that guy. So
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  Speaker 5: I think Travis Hunter can do that the next time.
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  Speaker 4: But who knows?
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  Speaker 5: By the time they play that next game, it might
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  Speaker 5: not really matter all that much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. But you know what? The Texans' schedule softens here
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  Speaker 4: a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: If you look at the next three weeks, I think
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  Speaker 5: we would sit here and say that, but they didn't
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  Speaker 5: beat the Giants at home. In fact, they've lost four
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  Speaker 5: home games already. That's amazing when you think about it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just shocked. Obviously, you're going to get up for
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  Speaker 3: a divisional game against the Jaguars. I think both teams
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  Speaker 3: enjoy playing each other at this point because they want
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  Speaker 3: to win. But then immediately having a letdown as soon
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  Speaker 3: as you get home, like you think, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: want to get back to Houston, get your first win,
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  Speaker 3: wearing your terrible battle red uniforms like you need to
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  Speaker 3: get something. And there was just no it felt like
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  Speaker 3: they went completely reverted right back.
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  Speaker 7: And it's one thing to be bad on offense, but
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  Speaker 7: their defense lacked the physicality in the middle. Their defense
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  Speaker 7: gave up some big plays in Malik Neighbors, and especially J.J. McCarthy,
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  Speaker 7: who we haven't talked about, it seems like, in a year,
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  Speaker 7: comes out and has an efficient day. And at the
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  Speaker 7: end of the day, yeah, their offense can be up
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  Speaker 7: and down. Their defense has to be fair on all cylinders.
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  Speaker 7: You have a defensive-minded coach in D'Amico Ryans who's responsible
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  Speaker 7: for that defense, and They didn't show up. So, like,
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  Speaker 7: if I'm Texans fans, if I'm that locker room, if
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  Speaker 7: I'm management, I'm like, D'Amico, what are we doing right now?
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  Speaker 5: Well, remember, he took over play calling duties the week
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  Speaker 5: they beat the Titans. Really tough duty for you, D'Amico.
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  Speaker 5: At Jacksonville, the Jaguars moved the football on them all day,
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  Speaker 5: and now you have the Giants.
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  Speaker 4: Moving the football on them all day.
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  Speaker 5: Before the season, everybody talked about how great that defense
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  Speaker 5: would be. That's got to be one of the most
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  Speaker 5: disappointing units in all of the National Football League.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they just aren't very good right now.
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  Speaker 3: Are they aging a little bit?
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  Speaker 6: Because they're not a ton.
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  Speaker 4: Of different personnel. No, it's not age.
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  Speaker 5: It's because they're still young. But Stingley hasn't played as
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  Speaker 5: well as he's played. Lassiter has been bad. The safeties
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  Speaker 5: haven't been as good. They've had injuries at linebacker, and
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  Speaker 5: that's impacted the defense. You want to run on them.
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  Speaker 5: That's what you want to do. If you run on them,
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  Speaker 5: it kind of neutralizes the pass rushes a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Will Anderson didn't have a sack on Sunday. It means
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  Speaker 5: it's two straight games where.
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  Speaker 4: He hasn't had a sack. And that usually doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 5: So, yeah, I think the more physical you are with them,
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  Speaker 5: you bully the bully. That's the old adage, bully the bully.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's what the Giants did to them.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they probably got to get right game because they
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  Speaker 3: got the Chargers coming up. I think they have a
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  Speaker 3: bye weekend and they have the Chargers coming up. So.
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  Speaker 5: Well, but you think about it, the Chargers are 0-6,
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  Speaker 5: and that's at L.A. That's not an easy game for them.
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  Speaker 5: Even as bad as the Chargers have been, they're going
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  Speaker 5: to get some guys back healthy.
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  Speaker 4: And then they have two.
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  Speaker 5: Games after that that are relatively winnable, if I'm not mistaken, right?
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  Speaker 6: Well, they have Browns, who are apparently good now.
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  Speaker 3: And then the Colts, which what the Colts will be
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  Speaker 3: at that point on November 19th, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 7: Well, and keep in mind who the Chargers are, too.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, they have a pretty proud coach, I feel like,
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  Speaker 7: in Jim Harbaugh.
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  Speaker 1: And a quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: They're just going to lay down and die for the
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  Speaker 7: Houston Texans, especially a Houston Texans team that's won only
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  Speaker 7: two games this season, right? So I feel like they
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  Speaker 7: probably got to win that game is how they're feeling
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  Speaker 7: in that locker room, too.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Pete, let's talk a little bit about the Colts as
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  Speaker 3: well because– Obviously, they fired their GM. We were assuming
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  Speaker 3: they're now fully tailspinning. Is the fire sale this week,
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  Speaker 3: next week? Have they posted the dates of the sale yet?
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  Speaker 3: When is this happening?
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  Speaker 5: Well, they haven't posted it yet, but I think there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people who are going to be available.
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  Speaker 4: I really do. And for the price, you're not just
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  Speaker 4: going to give them away.
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  Speaker 5: What's it going to take to get Jonathan Taylor? That's
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  Speaker 5: a legitimate question. What's it going to take to get
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  Speaker 5: Quentin Nelson? What's it going to take to get DeForest Buckner?
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  Speaker 5: Those are the kind of the guys you're looking at.
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  Speaker 4: And, you know, somebody said a first round pick for
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  Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor. I wouldn't do that.
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  Speaker 5: He's got a lot of wear and tear on that
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  Speaker 5: body and a lot of wear and tear at Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 5: But maybe a two, you know, something else down the line,
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  Speaker 5: you get him. If I were the Jaguars, I would
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  Speaker 5: call on Buckner. I don't think the Colts would trade
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  Speaker 5: him in the division, but you never know.
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  Speaker 4: They're desperate. They need draft picks.
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  Speaker 5: So I would call on Buckner. And then the other
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  Speaker 5: one is, you know, when you look at the guard,
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  Speaker 5: Quentin Nelson, you know, there's also some value there if
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  Speaker 5: they wanted to trade him.
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  Speaker 4: So this team needs draft picks.
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  Speaker 5: And that's why I think they're going to be really
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  Speaker 5: active sellers as we get closer to the trade deadline.
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  Speaker 3: DeForest Buckner, is his contract up at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the year? Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, this is a rental situation.
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  Speaker 5: So basically, if you're the Colts, you say, hey, we
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  Speaker 5: don't know if he'd go back to Jacksonville because he
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  Speaker 5: probably wouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: So do we care?
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  Speaker 5: Because we're not competing anyway, so do we care if
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  Speaker 5: they take him?
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  Speaker 4: So that's kind of what that would be.
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  Speaker 6: Might be more on their side.
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  Speaker 3: Plus, reunite him with his buddy Eric Armstead in the
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  Speaker 3: middle there, Pete.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, then Eric Armstead doesn't need to play 45 plays
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  Speaker 5: a game because he shouldn't be playing 45 plays a game.
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  Speaker 3: They can split it.
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  Speaker 1: Pete, I mean, how realistic is that? I'm with you.
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  Speaker 7: I think the Colts, you know, firing their GM, they're
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  Speaker 7: definitely in sell mode. But if you look at their
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  Speaker 7: two and five right now, one and one in the division.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So right now, what they're two, I.
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  Speaker 7: Guess it would be two and a half games back, right,
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  Speaker 7: because the Jaguars have the bye. But they played Jacksonville twice.
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  Speaker 7: But I agree with you. It feels like they're in
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  Speaker 7: cell mode. Should they be, though, I guess is the question.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, when do you actually go to cell mode?
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  Speaker 1: Because they can, theoretically, they can still win some games
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  Speaker 1: and compete for division.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you got a couple weeks.
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  Speaker 5: You got, what, November 10th. So you got a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of time. So if they lose, let's just say
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  Speaker 5: they never win in Jacksonville. So that's, I mean, come on.
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  Speaker 3: You can just leave them here after the game.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's official.
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  Speaker 3: You can just stay there.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they haven't won there since what?
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  Speaker 4: 2014, right? Is the last time they won. Andrew Luck
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  Speaker 4: was their quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a minute.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So, so if let's just say Jacksonville wins that game
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  Speaker 5: and any hope of winning the division.
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  Speaker 4: Is gone for them.
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  Speaker 5: And if it's gone by the trade deadline, then you
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  Speaker 5: absolutely have to, uh, have to make moves. And, and,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think– look, they're not a very good football
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  Speaker 5: team right now. Daniel Jones doesn't look right after the Achilles.
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  Speaker 5: He just hasn't been the same player. And they don't
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  Speaker 5: have Pierce. You know, they just don't scare you.
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  Speaker 4: Down the field.
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  Speaker 1: Sauce has been hurt.
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  Speaker 5: And the offensive line is still pretty solid. Defensive line
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  Speaker 5: can be when, you know, Stewart hasn't been as good.
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  Speaker 4: But Buckner is still good.
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  Speaker 5: But I just don't think it's a good football team,
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  Speaker 5: and I think they kind of see the handwriting on
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  Speaker 5: the wall. When you start talking about trading off assets,
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  Speaker 5: that's tough to deal with in the locker room.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you already heard them talking out.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like players were already kind of getting disgruntled
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  Speaker 3: a couple weeks ago.
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  Speaker 6: And at this point, if you're in a locker room
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  Speaker 6: like that, it's got to be.
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  Speaker 3: I imagine it's very difficult to be in a locker
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  Speaker 3: room where you know that's what they're going to end
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  Speaker 3: up doing. It feels like everybody's kind of pleading their
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  Speaker 3: case to find a new landing spot.
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  Speaker 7: Well, and this is a team, too, where I think
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  Speaker 7: the Jaguars stack up nicely against them, right? Because it's
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  Speaker 7: all predicated through Jonathan Taylor. Like, whether it's in the
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  Speaker 7: run game or the pass game, they try to get
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  Speaker 7: Jonathan Taylor going and If the Jaguars have shown one thing,
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  Speaker 7: probably the purest constant so far this season is the
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  Speaker 7: Jags can stop the run.
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  Speaker 3: They can.
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  Speaker 4: And the other part of that is they might be
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  Speaker 4: trying to showcase them, too. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe. See what you can come get.
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  Speaker 4: Put them in the window so everybody can see what
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  Speaker 4: they got.
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  Speaker 1: Don't put them in the window in Jacksonville, Pete.
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  Speaker 7: You might want to just put them in the back
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  Speaker 7: display for another week and then bring them back out
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  Speaker 7: on display.
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  Speaker 3: I'll round out the division with the Titans who fall
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  Speaker 3: to the Browns. Browns got a 27-24 win. What's that
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  Speaker 3: rebuild looking like, Pete? Obviously, their record is not great.
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  Speaker 6: Is this solid?
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  Speaker 3: It's going to have some time to figure it out.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be a one-and-done. What do you feel
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  Speaker 3: the vibes are there?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's a one-and-done, but, man, the quarterback's
• 12:29
  Speaker 5: thrown for over 200 yards once all season, one time.
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  Speaker 4: And he just doesn't look right.
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  Speaker 5: He missed a shot in the middle of the field
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  Speaker 5: that would have been a touchdown on Sunday. And then
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  Speaker 5: he came back and he made a play and they scored.
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  Speaker 4: To tie the game.
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  Speaker 5: But then you let him go right down the field
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  Speaker 5: and win it. And so it's just not a very
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  Speaker 5: good football team right now. But I don't know how
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  Speaker 5: you hire Salah. when you know the talent level isn't great,
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  Speaker 5: and give him only one year.
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  Speaker 4: So I think he's okay.
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  Speaker 5: But they're just not doing anything really.
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  Speaker 4: Tony Pollard had a good game on Sunday. He ran
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  Speaker 4: the ball well.
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  Speaker 5: But they don't throw it well enough. And I think
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  Speaker 5: that's the biggest problem. There's a lot of questions about
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  Speaker 5: the quarterback. And if he doesn't get it going, I
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  Speaker 5: think that's going to be a problem for them.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it seemed like last year the conversation was, well,
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  Speaker 7: he doesn't have any weapons, right? So he's got nothing
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  Speaker 7: to throw to. And this year, you know, they addressed
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  Speaker 7: it in the draft a little bit. They dressed in
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  Speaker 7: other areas, and now the conversation seems to be, okay, is.
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  Speaker 1: He the guy or not, right?
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  Speaker 7: And any time you start having those questions of, you know,
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  Speaker 7: is your quarterback, is he a franchise guy?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you don't really have a good team.
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  Speaker 7: So until they figure that out, whether Cam Ward's going
• 13:35
  Speaker 7: to be their franchise guy or not, they're going to
• 13:37
  Speaker 7: be bottom of the pack.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: It's always hard when you come in and get a
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: new coaching regime in there because he's not their guy.
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: So even if you're okay with it, that's not the
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: guy you chose, right? And that's always going to play
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: a factor in it. uh dables in there i don't
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: know what the mechanic i i don't know how much
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: of it is just player because we haven't seen it
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: from him at this level and how much of it
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: is the new scheme and what they're trying to do
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: so i agree with you i'm curious what they're gonna
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: look like they're playing them uh the jaguars play them
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: in like two times in three weeks i think it
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: is coming up in november here so we'll get to
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: see it up close and personal what it looks like
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: exactly but it just feels like it's They are also
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: like the Colts are in a rebuild in a weird way.
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: They're maybe not accepting it yet. The Titans have been
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: in it and have continued and just like are in
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: quicksand a little bit, it feels like.
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: And they're in games. I mean, they do do that.
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: Some of their games have been.
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: Close, but I'm disappointed in the quarterback. I thought it
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: would be the year he takes a step forward, and
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: he hasn't done that for whatever reason. He's inconsistent.
• 14:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, to me, the Colts, Kai, are like
• 14:45
  Speaker 7: my 11-year-old son playing Madden, where it's like, okay.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: We're winning games. Let's trade. Let's get Sauce Garner for
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: two first-round picks because we're there.
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: We're there.
• 14:52
  Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden, well, maybe you're not
• 14:53
  Speaker 7: so there, right? So when you look at the Colts,
• 14:56
  Speaker 7: it's like they went kind of all in last season.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: They faltered.
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: And now they're kind of paying the bite and the bullet.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: For those decisions last year.
• 15:04
  Speaker 7: And this year now it seems like, okay, they're going
• 15:06
  Speaker 7: to probably rebuild, sell some things off, and then slowly
• 15:09
  Speaker 7: start to rebuild again.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: But once again, same question for the Colts. Do they
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: have a quarterback?
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: I think they're trying to find identity again to both
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: of the franchises, right? When the Titans got rid of Rabel,
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: I feel like they never quite picked anything up after that. Obviously,
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Salah has a pretty strong personality in the way he
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: runs things, so maybe that will pick up. But again,
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: you're not going to do anything without a quarterback, and
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: we haven't seen it yet. So we've checked on everybody
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: in the division. We're going to take a quick break
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: and then we will talk Jaguars. Cause this is Jaguars
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: happy hour. And I think that's only fair brought to
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: you by jet home loan.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: Stay with us.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: We'll tell you what we're looking forward to this back half.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: Of the season.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I think just a reset.
• 15:50
  Speaker 8: Anytime you get a little bit of an opportunity to reset, um,
• 15:54
  Speaker 8: you know, gather your thoughts, also get away from it
• 15:57
  Speaker 8: a little bit, right? Sometimes absence makes the heart grow
• 16:00
  Speaker 8: fonder in ways, right?
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: And no different in football, right?
• 16:04
  Speaker 8: I couldn't sleep last night, you know, excited about getting
• 16:07
  Speaker 8: back in the building and getting back with these guys
• 16:11
  Speaker 8: and attacking this next, you know, 11 games together and
• 16:15
  Speaker 8: really getting after it.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Absence makes the heart grow fonder. We're back here on
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour after a nice bye week.
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: Everybody got a break.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: In week seven and now we're getting ready up getting
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: geared up for week eight we are going to talk
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: about our player of the game we didn't have a
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: game but it's brought to you by Publix where shopping
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: is a pleasure and we're going to talk about a
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: surprise player we've seen so far this season who's pleasantly
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: surprised you for the Jaguars so far this year Pete.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: It's only been one game but Walker Little.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, credit where it's due. He did pretty good against
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: the Texans.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: You watch that tape. He was outstanding last week. I mean, and.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: During the summer, everybody, me included, probably sat there and said,
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: let's trade that guy.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: You don't really need him.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: And now you need him in the worst way with
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: Anton Harrison being lost for the year. So of all
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: the players, he surprised me the most so far, and
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: it's only been one game.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. So Anton Harrison had been placed on IR but
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: had that surgery over the bye week, and it was
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: an actual ACL tear in his knee. So he will
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: be done for the rest of the season back at
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: some point next year. They did pick up his options,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: so he'll be here next year.
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: For me, it's going to be a guy that I
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: wasn't even counting on being a starter per se, and
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: that's Ventrell Miller. If you remember back in training camp,
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: it was or, right? It was Ventrell Miller or Branson
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: Combs in those preseason games. And, you know, there was
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: questions in terms of his ability and then the pass
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: game and coverage and everything. I think he's answered all
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: those critics and he's been one of the most dependable
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: things on this defense. So kudos to Ventrell Miller for
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: filling the shoes of a Devin Lloyd, who obviously left
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: a pretty big hole in this defense. And I feel
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: like a lot of Jaguars fans are not asking what
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: Devin Lloyd's doing anymore because you're not missing him. I mean,
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: the Venture Mill might be even playing better than Devin Lloyd.
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: You don't have a pick six yet, per se, or
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: you haven't won a game yet by yourself, but he's
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: made a bunch of splash plays.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: But he also has a play on a defense that's
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: given up 250 yards rushing to two different teams.
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: That was ugly this week.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: That was ugly this week.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was rough. That was really rough.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: And also, credit, if you're a stats person, every single stat,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: every time they put out a stat, the best rated
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Jaguar is always Ventrell Miller for what he's been able
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: to do. And I don't think we were overly concerned
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: on this show about it either because of what they
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: were able to do with Devin Lloyd last year and
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: just the coaching ability, what we've seen from Anthony Campanile,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: the defensive coordinator, coaching up that group. And he has
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: filled it nicely. And maybe the nicest compliment is that
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: you didn't notice a drop-off. There's no, like, oh, looking there, like,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: that's a missed spot. So sometimes when someone leaves... the
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: best compliment you can get is that it's not a
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: point of focus.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: And also, I just think his play has been contagious
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: as well, because if you look at how Foye Lewakin's
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: playing too, Foye's playing faster. I think that's a direct
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: correlation to how great Ventro Miller is doing, because usually
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: when you have guys playing a little slow or making mistakes,
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: you're trying to make up for somebody else, you know,
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: on the linebacking core and the secondary. You don't see
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: Foye doing that. So I think everyone around Ventro Miller
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: is playing at a pretty high level. So shout out
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: to him. Another question is, do you keep him or
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: do you let him go make his money someplace else?
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Pete, what are you doing?
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: That's a tough one because you got, you know, now,
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: but with the Anton Harrison situation, I don't think you
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: can give him a long-term contract just yet. So that
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: kind of takes that money out of the equation. You
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: still got to give Parker Washington his money. Um, but again,
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: you can tag him, uh, if it's unreasonable that, that
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: you do have that ability to do that and you
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: can clean out some money, you know, that there's a
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: lot of money to clean out. So again, If Ed
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Sean Miller keeps playing the way he's playing, I think
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: you almost have to consider keeping him. Because the guys
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: they drafted, over the last couple years, they're not here.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: They're not.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Mooma, Kaiser. I mean, those guys are gone. So... He's
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: a big part of what they do.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: I think the biggest difference with Ventrell Miller is he's
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: trimmed down and he's much more athletic.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if anybody's asked him if
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: he trimmed down. He looks like he has. I bet
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: he's lighter. He looks faster.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: He's better in pass covers than he's ever been. So
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: I think that changes the thing. And let's not forget,
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: a Louis Khan's not a kid anymore.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: He's not?
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's getting up there.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: So you got to keep somebody at that spot.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Don't forget, Antonio Johnson's going to be needing a deal
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: as well, so there's money that needs to be spent
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: and allocated, but definitely two positions on defense.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: The price of success, that's what that is.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: This is a good problem to have.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Everyone's playing well.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Which I'm surprised Liam Cohn didn't say, you know, I'm
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: excited for the next 12 games at least.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: There we go. There we go. Um, I'm going to go.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: My surprise I think has been Josh Cameron. I don't think, uh,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: mostly based on from draft on after we saw him
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: in training camp, I, I expected he would find a
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: way onto the field, but what he's been able to
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: do right out of the gate and how much Liam
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Cohen and the coaching staff have included him. And then
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: given not a ton of opportunities come through on every
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: single opportunity, like Maybe he only gets two targets a game.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: He's catching the two balls that are coming his way.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: And there's something to be said for that because there's
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: other receivers that need to get going, need to warm up,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: need a lot to be fed to them for them
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: to be successful.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: He's not one of those people.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: He's coming in.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: He's like, if I get two opportunities, I'm going to
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: do that. I'm going to score.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I'm going to block whatever is asked of me. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: will do that. And that's another six round guy. You know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: when you're talking about roster construction, getting contributions out of
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: lower round draft picks is huge because when you have
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: to pay some of those other guys, you can keep
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: that to balance it out.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: You know, and we always talk about how Brian Thomas
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: is just a different wide receiver because his ability to
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: fly and run that go route and kind of get
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: defense's to carry on, and then obviously the middle of
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: the field is wide open. Josh Cameron is a different breed, though, too,
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: just in terms of his size and strength, where the
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: guy can get the ball in open space, lower his shoulder,
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: and deliver some punishment. So it's interesting where you have
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: Brian Thomas Jr. where you don't really have another guy
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: like him, per se, and Josh Cameron, you don't have
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: a guy like him either right now. So I think
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: it's going to be important to utilize both these guys
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: going forward.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: So the talk is that Brian Thomas is on the
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: trade block.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: That's always the talk, Pete.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: It's been a talk for.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Two years, it seems like.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: I also think if the price were right, they would
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: trade him.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: But I don't think you just give him away.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I don't either, and I think there's a lot of
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: people that that probably applies to. He's just the hot
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: topic person to talk about right now. I think if
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: anybody calls with the right combination of things, money and
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: picks for certain people, you'd be okay with it.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: What was interesting, I went back and watched the show
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: last year.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: With the memorial, RIP JP Shadrick was here with you
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: guys because I wanted to see what you guys talked
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: about on Bi-Week. And it was interesting because it was.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: It was BTJ.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: It was, it was not getting.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Home on the pass rush pressures versus sacks. It was, um,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: you know, it was, it was very, very similar.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I could just read.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter has a great game in London. I was like, okay,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: we'll just start copying pieces over and talk about the
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: same stuff.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: It's pretty amazing.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: When you think about it, the same things that are
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: impacting this team from a year ago are still impacting
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: this team.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: They are.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Um, and you know, maybe you're saying why wasn't that
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: addressed in the off season, but some of it is,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: is a bit of an identity thing.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: And I, well, they tried to address pass rush. I
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: know there were guys in the draft that they really
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: liked and they just couldn't get an opportunity to get them.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Um, but you know.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: And they weren't going to go out and spend money
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: in the pass rush market, although they explored it, you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: they looked around, but. I think now's the time. You
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: look at the AFC, that thing is wide open, man.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: It's wide open.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: I think when you, the Buffalo Bills defense stinks.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: You know they're going to score, but their defense is bad.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: You know, Baltimore now, they lost.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Again with no Lamar Jackson. We don't know where he is.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Now they play the Bills this week.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: The Bengals seem like they're getting right, and they're going
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: to be a tough out.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Do you believe in Pittsburgh.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: And Cleveland, even though they're playing against each other in
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: a first-place game this week?
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: The Broncos' offense is limited.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, Kansas City's offense looked horrible on Sunday night.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: They don't stretch the field. So now's the time. Seize
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: the moment. Go get yourself a pass rusher.
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because it's almost, and Kai, you bring up a
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: great point, because it's almost like it's deja vu.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And, like, the last thing we want to see is
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the same.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: Thing that happened last year in the playoffs against Josh
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: Allen and the Buffalo Bills, right?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Because we all know the story.
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: We don't have to go back there a million times
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: and talk about the lack of pass rush, getting up
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: that long pass to.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Keon Coleman on the fourth quarter and everything, right?
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: But, like, if you watch supposedly the best two teams
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: in the league yesterday and the 49ers and the Kansas
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: City Chiefs, They don't have a wide receiver, right? They're
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: always trying to run the ball first and then pass
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: second right now because that's what they have to do.
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: The Jaguars can shut the run down, but teams like
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: the Bengals, who are kind of coming up a little bit,
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: we'll see with the Ravens, with Zay Flowers, because when
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: he gets the ball in his hands, great things happen.
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: Those are the teams that are going to scare you
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: come playoff time. And obviously the Buffalo Bills, and it
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: doesn't matter who the wide receivers are, like Josh Allen
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: didn't get the ball there.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Those are the teams that you still feel a little
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: leery about. I'll be honest.
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: Right now, I'm not worried about the Kansas City Chiefs
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: and the Jaguars. I think the Jaguars can shut down
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: Kenneth Walker. And if you do that, okay. But I
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: am worried about the Bengals. I am worried about the Bills.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: And I am worried about teams that can pass and
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: have a field day against the secondary for the Jaguars.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Well, think about the games they've lost. We'll start with
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: the Buffalo game. Didn't get him on the ground in
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: the fourth quarter, and he won the game. The Denver game,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: he didn't get him on the ground in the fourth
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: quarter in that game either, right, if I'm mistaken?
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: No.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Nix made plays when he had to.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: The Eagles game that they should have lost, they didn't
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: get him on the ground in the fourth.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Quarter in that game either. And then in the Texans game,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: didn't get him on the ground at all.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: And so that to me, and I know the field
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: was an issue and everything else, but that to me
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: is the story of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: So why not do everything in your power to fix it?
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Whether it's an interior rusher or an edge rusher, get
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: yourself a rusher.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Somehow, someway, get yourself a rusher.
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: And I truly think, like, in the NFL, listen, there's
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: always anomalies, right? But if it starts to happen three
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: or four times, that's your identity. That's who you are.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: And if you look at the stats, Bengals had their
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: best offensive day in terms of passing against the Jaguars.
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: Same thing with the Broncos. Broncos haven't really done much
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: since that Jaguars game. Like, Jalen Waddell has kind of
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: just been an afterthought to a lot of people. The
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: Eagles had their second best performance in terms of passing yards,
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: which is crazy to think of who they're throwing to
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: and everything like that.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: And Jalen Hurts.
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: was not 100 and the texans was their second best
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: performance too in terms of passing so that's who the
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: jaguars are right now yes they're elite at stopping the
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: run and you can hang your hat on that that's
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: physicality that's winning the trenches and that's part of the
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: football game but the other part is obviously stopping the
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: pass and it can be a quarterback driven league and
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: right now where it stands are you confident like when
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: you get to the playoffs can you stop those elite quarterbacks.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: And in the playoffs you're probably going to quarterbacks are going.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: To be Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Lamar.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, those are going to be your quarterbacks you're
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: going to have to get through to go to the
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl. And look, this team was a great story
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: last year getting to the playoffs. Getting to the playoffs
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: isn't enough now.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: It's not enough. So do everything in your power. Your
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: window is now open.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: Go get a pass rusher, somebody, whether it's an outside guy.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: And you guys know who I would try and go get.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: That's Crosby. But if it's an inside.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Guy, go get Payne, somebody or Buckner, somebody who can
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: push that pocket.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: They need that in the worst way.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Man has spoken. Give us what we need. We're going
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: to answer some fan questions when we come back. Stay
• 28:00
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  Speaker 3: Have an opportunity this week as the Jaguars get back
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: in action. They're going to host the Indianapolis Colts here
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: at Everbank Stadium in Jacksonville. First game here in about
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: five weeks. It'll be nice to be back home home.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: For sure. And Austin Lane, Pete Prisco with me. We're
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: going to answer some fan questions. You got a couple
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: of them in the bye week and just talk it
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: out a little bit. We talked about trade deadlines. Pete,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: as far as this current roster, can the Jaguars win
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: a Super Bowl with this current roster? What they have
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: They can, but I think they need to address to me.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Look, We don't know if Josh Hind-Allen and Trayvon Walker
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: are going to turn into beast.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: As pass rushers. They're good players, but right now they're
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: not great pass rushers. Can they?
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's possible, but I think they need to
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: address that. If they really want to win a Super Bowl,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: you have to address pass rush.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: You know, that's what they have to do. So, in
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: my mind, could they do it? Sure. Is it better
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: off if they do it with a pass rusher? You bet.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Hmm. Austin, I know we talked last week about some
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: of the ways they attack the run makes it more
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: difficult for them to pass rush. So maybe that's why
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the sack numbers aren't there. But they need to affect
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: the quarterback in some way going.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: Like think that's a fair bar to be at.
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: No for sure kai and you actually you brought up
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: a great point during the break you mentioned it where
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: you know we're not seeing guys get their hands up
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: and deflecting footballs right and like you remember when claire's
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: campbell was here he was good for about four of
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: those a game it seemed like so yeah like you're
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: not seeing the quarterback get affected enough whether that's hitting
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: him causing you know errant throws whether that's getting quarterback
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: sacks strip sack fumbles whatever the case may be he's
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: not getting affected enough oh yeah sure there's pressures there
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: and everything right and sometimes it's a split second which
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: seems to be the story the past couple years with
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: you know with these jaguars defenses oh man just a
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: split second more and that's great you know and split
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: seconds you know that they count a lot of sports
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: but sometimes they don't count in football so Yeah, I mean,
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: I do agree with Pete. Like, you can definitely upgrade
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: the pass rush. I think you can definitely help your
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: pass rush out with this scheme, right? Like, I don't
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: want to see Josh Hines down in a 4-I all
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: the time. I wouldn't mind seeing him more in a
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: wide 9 and a wide 7. But, like, that's not
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: what they're coached to do. That's not their philosophy. They
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: want to stop the run first and then get after
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: their quarterback. There's some teams that will stop the run
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: on their way to the quarterback.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: The Jaguars are not one of those teams.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Here's the other thing. they pressure a lot in terms
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: of blitzing. And so that leaves you vulnerable on the
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: back end. And so they talk about, you hear all
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: this talk about the pressures and oh, they're getting all
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: these pressures, but how many of those pressures are coming
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: when they're only rushing four guys?
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Not a lot.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: And so that to me is the problem.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: If you only rush four guys and can cover on
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: the back end, you can do a lot of different things.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: And if you're playing zone, you can cover up a
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: lot more area.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: But if you're blitzing and you're playing man, and some
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: guys playing man, some playing zone, you're gonna have a
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: lot tougher time covering on the back end. So I
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: think they have to, that's why I continue to say
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: they need somebody else. How ideal would it be if
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: you came to the line of scrimmage and you had
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Josh Heinz-Allen, Max Crosby, Trayvon Walker, and Eric Armstead rushing
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: just those four on third down, or if it was
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Deron Payne or Devarus Buckner next to Armstead with Walker
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: and Heinz Allen rushing with four. And I know the
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: trend around the league is blitz, blitz, blitz, and everybody's
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: going to look at the Vikings, how great they're playing
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: because they blitz.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: 80% of the time on Sunday.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: But the reality is, if you go back through the
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: history of this league and The history. I'm talking about
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: go back to the 70s and 80s and 90s, all
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: the way through.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: If you can rush.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: With four, that gives you such an advantage over everybody else.
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: I mean, Pete, it seemed like that last year with
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: the Houston Texans. And they're blitzing a lot more this year.
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: But last year, we want to say, you know, it
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: could be a generational type of defense. Well, they were
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: so great because, yeah, they obviously had great players, but
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: they only rushed four. So it made things in the
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: back end and in linebacker business so much easier because
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: now nobody's blitzing. Everyone's got their assignments, and you can
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: get home with Will Anderson and Hunter and everybody on
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: the side.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: So, no, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Look at the Eagles defensively.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Austin, when they won a Super Bowl and probably should
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: have won a second one, they.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Rushed with four. And it was four different groups. Two
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: different groups, by the way. Remember, the one group had...
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Graham was a big part of it. Then they had Sweat,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: who left, and he went to Arizona. Then they came
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: back and they did it with the Georgia guys. Jordan
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Davis and Carter and Nolan Smith. And so, to me.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: If you can rush with four, it gives the defensive
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: coordinator so much leeway. If he wants to blitz, that's
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: fine once in a while, but he doesn't have to
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: blitz to get pressure.
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: Well, and that's the thing. You blitz to throw a changeup, right? Like,
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: you blitz to keep an offense guessing. You don't blitz
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: out of necessity because you can't get home, right? Because
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: when you do that, that's when you have problems. And
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: that's why I feel like the Jaguars find themselves right now.
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: It's like they're not blitzing because, all right, well, let's
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: keep the quarterback honest or let's keep the offensive court. No,
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: they're blitzing because, hey, we need to blitz to get
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: pressure on this quarterback. And that's not a conversation you
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: want to be having.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: And it's going to cost you. It's going to cost
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: you to go get a player. You're going to have
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: to fit them under the cap. It's going to have
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: to be some gymnastics played. But I just think you
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: look at the landscape and where they are right now,
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: this could be the year. So if it could be
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: the year, do everything in your power to make sure
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: it can be the year. And if it doesn't happen,
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: then you worry about it next year. You're not regrouping
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: if you don't win it this year. You'd probably just
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: get rid of.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Some of those guys.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: But you still have your coach and your quarterback and
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: your young nucleus. And so you build off of that then.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: So I think this is the year to go for it.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: You know, and it's crazy. I'm agreeing with Pete so
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: much on the show today. I love it.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: The kids are getting along. Somebody wore you down, Austin.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know who it is. No, man.
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: I'm sure he wasn't Martineau. I'm sure he wasn't Martineau.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: But I will say this much, Pete, because, you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: then there's obviously talks, too. Well, can you address the
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: secondary and make the secondary better and play complimentary football,
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: you know, with the defensive line?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe you could, right?
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: Maybe you could get another zone guy if you want
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: to run zone defense or if you want to get
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: a man guy, whatever the case may be. But the
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: fact of the matter is this. If you address the secondary,
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: we're not 100% positive that that's going to help the
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: front four get home. If you address the front four,
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: we can almost sit here and say, well, if you
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: get home with four guys, that's only going to bolster
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: the secondary. So I tend to agree with you where
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: I lean towards if you want to address something on defense,
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: you're doing the defensive line on that pass rush, and
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: then the secondary can be secondary.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: You've got to use the Seattle Seahawks as a perfect example.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: They have– Average corners, other than.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Witherspoon's a really good player, much like Travis Hunter would be.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: But the rest of that group is kind of average.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: But they're getting covered up because they can rush the passer.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: And they stop the run and rush the passer. And
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: that's what Jacksonville can stop the run, now rush the passer.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Monteric Brown, in his own scheme where you rush the passer,
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: is a damn.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Good football player. He's smart.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: He's a good cover guy in the zone. You put
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: him in situations where you've got to blitz, he can't
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: do that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: That's not who he is.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: So I don't think the corner position's as much of
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: a need as everybody's making it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Out to be. You play Hunter, you play Jones.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: If Jordan Lewis doesn't turn his stuff around, play Jones
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: in the slot and play Monteric Brown.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: If you can rush the passer. If you can't rush
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: the passer, Monteric Brown is going to get exposed.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: I think that's a definite.
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: But Pete, I'll say this much about the secondary, though.
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't mind seeing Travis Hunter play more man-to-man and
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: just shadowing somebody.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: And by the way, if you can rush, you can
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: do that.
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: Of course, because at the end of the day, when
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: you've got Zay Flowers coming up, and I get he's
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: kind of regressed, but we have a guy like DK
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: Metcalf coming up. Nobody on the Colts necessarily scares you
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: right now, but you've got to play Nico Collins again
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: as well.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: You have Malik Nabors coming up.
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: So when you have some of these star-wide receivers coming up,
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: I feel a lot better just saying, hey, Travis– Go
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: follow him, man. Go shadow him. We'll take care of
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: whether it's zone or man coverage, just like the Giants
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: did yesterday. Like, I have much more confidence in that
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: type of look and that type of scheme than I
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: do saying, hey, you know, Johnny Jones, sometimes you might
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: be in zone.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Have fun. Hey, Monteric Brown, sometimes, depending what they line
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: up in, you might be in man. Have fun.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the other thing about that is.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Travis Hunter, if he plays man a lot on those guys–
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: let's be real.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: They all get beat.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: The best corners who have ever played this game, play
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: man against guys are going to get beat, but that's okay.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: I think that'll enable you to do things on the
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: other side to help cover up those guys. And so
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: I'm with you. I would do the same exact thing.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: I would, but you got to have pressure. If you
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: don't have pressure, he's going to get, he's going to
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: look foolish out there.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: If you don't have pressure. Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Silly, silly. This one's interesting. I've seen this other people
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: kind of get to this as well. It's another fan
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: question about, The Jaguars not using Brian Thomas Jr.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: Correctly.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: This person says, why doesn't Liam use BT like Doug
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Peterson did with screens or versus hitch post and go?
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: That's the real reason for his regression. Peter, they using
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: him wrong.
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: No.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: And by the way, he had to use the screens
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: and the hitches and all that because that's.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: All Doug through. That is.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: The screens.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: And I told Doug that too. I can't because he
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: worked with us.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: He's with you now. Your bubble screens kept me going
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: for a whole year on this show.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Content.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: On our show.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: But you know what? I don't think his quickness is
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: great on those quick screens.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: I think he's a vertical threat.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: And they just have to continue. If he's on the roster,
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: they have to continue to keep him being some kind
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: of vertical threat down the field.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: And he's got to catch the damn ball.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, if we go back in the last couple weeks,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: there's probably three or four passes that he dropped. And
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: nobody made a big deal of the one in London
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: against the Eagles at the end of the half.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: That was a drop. That's a touchdown.
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: Or the one he caught and then didn't get his
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: feet in.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big one too.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then that one, and then he had the
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: drop on the opening drive against the Texans. I mean,
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: so it's not just using him right.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: It's him being... you know, focused and catching the damn football.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: You know, it's ironic.
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: I might have to check my memory banks a little better,
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: but I'm pretty sure Brian Thomas Jr. 's first touchdown
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: was actually reverse against the Carolina Panthers, if I'm not mistaken.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: We'll have to check that out. I'm saying with Liam Cohen.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, with Liam Cohen.
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: I think his first touchdown with Liam might have been
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: a reverse that they drew up.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I'll have to check that in the break or something.
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: But, you know, Pete, it's funny because you talk about
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: the ego of wide receivers, right?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the egos of head coaches, right?
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: Like, since Liam Cohen's been here in terms of this
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: whole regime, I feel like Brian Thomas Jr. is the
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: only person. who's regressed under Liam Cohen's watch. And you
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: don't think Liam Cohen thinks about that? If you watch
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: the press conference today, you see Liam Cohen once again
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: being a great coach, hyping his guy up, saying they're
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: going to count him down this season and they're going
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: to count him a lot during the Colts game and everything.
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: And listen, it may be cannon fodder, it may be true.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: We'll see. But I do appreciate how Liam Cohen's going
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: about this because.
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: This isn't an attitude problem. This isn't a he-doesn't-want-to-be-here problem.
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: It's simply just a mental problem, right? So I appreciate
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: a head coach who's doing everything he can do in
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: his power to give his guy a little more confidence. Now,
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: whether or not that confidence does anything, whether or not
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: Brian Thomas Jr. can elevate his game once again, time
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: will tell. But I guarantee you, man, it chomps at
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: Liam Cohen for not getting the best out of him
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: because he's the only guy, Pete. Think of everybody else
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: on this roster right now. who's like made, you know,
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: steps forward and strides forward. Brian Thomas Jr. is the
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: only guy that hasn't.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: You wouldn't have said that this summer, though.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Because he was fantastic in the offseason in the.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Summer, wasn't he?
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Everybody was raving about him.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: And then once the game started, he wasn't the same player.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Also, yes, you're correct. There's got to be something going
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: on there.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: It was a nine-year rushing touchdown for Brian Thomas Jr.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: in the second quarter against the Panthers. The first touchdown
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: of the Liam Cohen era, Hunter Long.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot about that. I remember the reverse. I
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: forgot about long though.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: But, but yeah, so I think I, I'm going to
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: be honest with you. I don't, I wouldn't trade Brian
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: Thomas unless I can get one of those premier defensive
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: ends or defensive tackles. I would not trade them. I'm
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: just not trading them for draft. This team doesn't need
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: to trade for draft picks.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: They need players.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: And if you trade for draft picks, that doesn't help
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: you get to this team to the Super Bowl.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: So if I'm trading Brian.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Thomas, if the Raiders, who badly need a young wide
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: receiver to pair with Fernando Mendoza when he takes over,
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: and it could be, who knows, it could be this week, do.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: You make him part of a package for Crosby?
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: Or do you call the commanders who lost Terry McLaurin
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: last week and say, hey, you want Brian Thomas?
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: He played with Jaden Daniels at LSU. Do you want him? Well,
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: we'll take Payne.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: And maybe you'll have to give him the commanders would
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: have to give him something else, too. But I think
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: those are those are realistic. But I'm not trading him
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: for draft picks because of the whole Walker little thing
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: just told you.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: That you might need him. And I do think they
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: might need him because he's got the deep speed.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: The other guys don't run like, unless you're going to
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: take Travis Hunter off of the gimmick in for five plays,
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: you know, he's getting the football list and make him
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: a wide receiver and a corner. Then they don't really
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: have a guy who can go like that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: And listen, to get to the playoffs, it's a war
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: of attrition, right? So knock on wood injuries do happen.
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: And you hope it does happen in this wide receiving core,
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: but Like you said, Pete, it's the Walker Little effect.
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: If an injury does happen, and we'll see how much
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: incapacity Brian Thomas Jr. is playing, but if somebody goes
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: down and you have him getting limited reps, you at
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: least feel decent about, you know what? Let's elevate him.
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: Let's get him more reps then because he's done it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: We've seen it before. It's not going to be like
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: some rookie that we have no idea what he's capable
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: of or some guy off the street.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: It's okay.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Well, we've seen Brian Thomas Jr. take over a game before.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe he can do it again.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: If they feed him, like it sounds like Liam's... like
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: high on getting in the football this week and everything,
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: they got the message.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: Get him the ball. Maybe we'll get some value for him.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Get him the ball. Maybe we'll get more value for him.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then meanwhile, Parker Washington is going to be like, hey, what?
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Parker's going to be like, wait a second. I'm in
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: contract here, guys.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: We'll space out some more of the fan questions throughout
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: the show. We're going to take a break really quick
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: when we return. More Jags when we come back on
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Dead Home Loans. Welcome back
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: in the Jaguars happy hour. We are going to check
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: in with Microsoft co-pilot brought to you by Microsoft. And
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: I like to ask some questions that maybe, you know,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: we're familiar with, but it's nice to get a reminder.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: When was the last time the Indianapolis Colts won a
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: football game in Jacksonville, Florida? He knows, but we know
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: that we know that September 21st, September 21st, 2014, they
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: defeated the Jacksonville Jaguars 44 to 17. at what is
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: now currently Everbank Stadium. Barack Obama was president. It was
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: iPhone 6, I believe, at that point.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: It's been a minute.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: So I love a streak that continues on to the
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: point where it's probably just in their heads. I know
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: John Ogier, our senior writer here, worked previously for the Colts,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: and he said at one point the Colts were staying
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: at different hotels until they won. I'm assuming they've run
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: out of hotels in Jacksonville at this point because... if you,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: if you try to find a different hotel that meets
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: in NFL accommodations and you've been losing for 12 years
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: at a certain point, I don't even know where they're
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: staying anymore.
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: Maybe they're in Orlando.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: You got the, you got the Marriott at the beach.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: You got the Marriott on Salisbury. You got the Marriott downtown,
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: which used to be the Omni, right? Um, and the,
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: the Hyatt.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Isn't there something in Ponte Vedra some people stay down there?
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: I think too.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Probably by the golf course. Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Something down there. But yeah, I'm just there's there cannot
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: be over a dozen. So I'm imagining Airbnb.
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: They might just be flying in day of at this point.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: Like it's gone.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: That fact coupled with the fact that the Jaguars are
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: coming off a bye and the Colts are playing consecutive
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: road games and we lose me.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I got you. We got your voice.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: You're still here. We just get, you know, you froze.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: That's such a flattering photo.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Looks like a middle linebacker when Chris Rodriguez comes to
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the hole. Oh, there we go.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Pete was going to let up the secrets.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: We had to drop him out.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: We can't let the curse go.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Can't let the curse go. Do you think he was
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: going for, like?
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: He was going to tell them what the secret is,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: the secret sauce is.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: He's in the know, so we got to keep that
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: to ourselves. But, yeah, 2014, that's a long list.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Man, and I remember, what year was it where the
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Colts had to win it to go to the playoffs?
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: That was the year, wasn't there some clowns as well?
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the year. I'll never forget. So, I
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: know Chris Ballard. Okay.
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: So I was doing some pregame stuff, and then I
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: crossed paths with Chris Ballard.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I was talking to him, and dude.
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: I like the guy a lot, but I felt an
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: over-sensitive confidence of him thinking, yeah, it should be a
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: good one today.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it should. I'm like, we'll see.
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: And then, yeah, obviously they choked that game away and
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: don't go to the playoffs, and obviously Colts fans that
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: showed up were extremely disappointed, and yeah.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: It's always, even when you.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: Have a bad year, it's always nice to play spoiler.
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: Just ruin someone else's party a little bit.
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's like the classic mentality, right? Where if
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: you can't have nice things, then no one can have
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: nice things as well.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: I want to ruin it, burn it down for everybody. So,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Jaguars had that bye week to rest up, and now
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: they're hoping to win for their 13th game in a
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: row against the Indianapolis Colts in the city of Jacksonville.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Keep that winning streak going, and they're going to do
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: it in their rivalry uniforms. So, stick with us here on...
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Jaguars happy hour. As we continue into the second hour,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: we'll give you a sneak peek of what the uniforms
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: are going to look like. We got the new fancy
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: helmets in here and we're going to talk some more
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: about what this schedule looks like going forward for the Jaguars,
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: what's ahead on their plate and what we can look
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: forward to coming up next week. Thanks for sticking with
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: us here on Jaguars happy hour on the Jaguars digital network.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: It's rivalry week, and we're finally back in Jacksonville, and
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: they're going to be wearing these bad boys. If you
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: haven't seen them yet, there's a little glitter in there,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: and we love that. The gold, the teal, Jaguar.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: 904 on the front there.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: 904 on the front, and then the Duval on the back.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Is that four of yous? We got three of yous?
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Four of yous?
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Three of yous. I can't tell.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: A lot of use.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of use, which I appreciate.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: I think it's the regular three.
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: It's just cursive. I know cursive is a lost art.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: I kind of like those helmets.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not mad at it.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: So they're very sparkly in the light, which is kind
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: of fun.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: And have they had a teal helmet before, Pete?
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they haven't. I'm sure they're going.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: For a guy fun.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Am I wrong?
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: They have Jaguar print pants on. If they're not going
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: for fun, I don't know what they're doing.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: They're going for fun. Let's let's see. Can we see
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: the uniform again? Like we just put it on the
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: actual uniform.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, so it's the off white jersey with the
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: is it alabaster?
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: I forget the exact. It's a cream. It's an off white.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: And then they have a really great font on it.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: It's that like kind of curvy black font. And they
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: have a bunch of little things like the 904 and
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: the Duval tied into it, which make it unique. And
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: they try to tie it to each city. So there
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: is a lot going on. So I think if there's
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: an argument to be made, it's that they put a
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: lot of ideas into one thing. Because it's not only
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: a teal helmet, it has gold bars on it. There's
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: some reflective glitter material on the side on the Jaguars logo.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: And then the Jaguars jersey is off-light.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Jersey looks better than the real one.
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: The jersey is great.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I've never seen anyone... I've seen a lot of.
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: People in the jerseys. I've not heard anything negative about
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: the jersey at all.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: I think everyone's really excited about that part.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: I think the jersey and the helmet... I think the
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: uniform's kind of clean.
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: I like it.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: I like it. I think it's better than the normal uniform.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: People love the Prowlers.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: The Prowlers are the best.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: I'm not so sure this one might not end up being.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it would look like in two.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Pete, that's a hard sell. And I don't dislike these
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: rivalries at all. I always use this example when I
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: talk about the Prowlers because I came to Jacksonville. I
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: was not overly familiar with the cult following that the
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Prowlers had. But I was like, I could fully be
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: convinced to join a cult because of the way that
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I was fully just like bought in immediately when people
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: were like, the Prowlers are better.
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: I was like, no, but they are.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: I'm just.
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: They absolutely are. There's just something different about the teal.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's darker or brighter or however
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: you want to describe it.
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: Deeper, richer.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: It's just better. It's kind of like Austin Short.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, the dark.
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: It's just like a. Because the current teal they have
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: feels a little brighter maybe.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: A little brighter.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: It's brighter. It's definitely brighter.
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: So I like the older.
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: Is there plans to have new uniforms when they open
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: the stadium?
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: I think we would all like to see that.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Because the timeline of when you're allowed to, I think...
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: when the league allows you to redo your uniforms, it
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: times up with that. So I think that would be
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: the timing for that. And just some of the cues
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: from the prowlers too, like the pinstripes on the pants
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: or like just the, like.
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: It's the gold and the black, the gold trim around
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: the numbers and everything.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: And the prowlers I think looks really cool.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: The prowlers are nice. I don't think that they're ugly,
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: but I just think that looks, that's a cool looking
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: uniform compared to some of the other rivalry uniforms that
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: we've seen so far.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: That's one of the best ones.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: I think so.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: They definitely got creative with it, and I appreciate that.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: And I do like the off-white a little bit more
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: than just regular white, and I think that's what makes
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: it stand out.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I think the fans love the off-white.
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: Like I said, I've seen probably more of those jerseys
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: than I have the Prowlers or just the original ones
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: this year.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: Everyone's rocking those. Do you think they get something for
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: Orlando next year? Some kind of magic collaboration?
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: No. A magic club.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, you mean like a, for like a rivalry uniform,
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: you mean?
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, not necessarily a rivalry. I don't know
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: if it's a uniform.
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: Maybe they'll do like a fan thing.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: We're playing Orlando.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Here's like, you know, something. I don't know.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Maybe they'll do like a fan thing. I don't know
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: if they'll read it. I don't know if they're allowed to.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Do they redo the, I don't even know if they
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: redo this rivalry one. Cause this is the only time they're, um,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: this year they're going to wear these uniforms. So they
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: only see them once.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: And this is a one-off or will they see this
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: next year as well?
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to remember.
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: I'll have to look that up in the break, but
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: And they're limited in the number of times they can
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: wear the Prowlers, too.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Correct. And because they're wearing the Prowler, because those are
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: alternate uniforms, so I believe we have one more Prowler game,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: and I believe it's Monday Night Football against the Steelers,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: which is going to be chef's kiss in Steelers black
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: and gold.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: And then if they make the playoffs, they can't wear
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: them in the playoffs, right?
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know playoff rules. I assume you have to
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: wear your regular uniform.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you do.
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: You can't do alternates in the playoffs, which is.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Unfortunate, but. So, yeah, we get a one-off of these
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: rivalry uniforms. But also the merch for it as well,
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: just to offer an extra plug, because I looked, and
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of really cool, like, Jaguar print things.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: And then the font that they're using for it has, like,
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: black with gold inlay on it. On the jersey, there's
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of different sweatshirts and T-shirts that have it
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, they have polo shirts, too, with, like, the alabaster color.
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: I might be looking and going in the supply closet
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: and snag me one of those.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: I love some new gear, so I'm just.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: You can get your Lululemon....
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, Pete, you would think, right? I mean, I
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm due for.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: One, aren't I?
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like we're due for one.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Have you earned one yet?
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Well, not this season, but last year I did.
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: Not on your Monday Night Football record.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: And by the way, I think there's going to be
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: something coming this week for Locke.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, maybe a Locke later on? Something warming up to
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: a Locke?
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I might see you there, Pete.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: We'll see.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I might see you there.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Hey, history is an indicator, isn't it? That's what they say.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: The past is prologue.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: All right. Welcome into Jaguars Happy Hour, a second hour
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings. Let's do our opening drive.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: It's presented to you by Target Zero. Let's get everyone
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: home safely. And we opened up the show by talking about,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: you know, a bye week win for the Jaguars was
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: because everybody in the division lost.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: But.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Pete, I don't know if that was your lock or not,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: but it's looking like a bit of a runaway for
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars right now when you look at them at 4-2,
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: everybody else 2-5, 2-5, 1-6. It's not a bad place
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: to be, and I know we were all frustrated with
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: that Texans loss going into the bye week, but it
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: doesn't look so terrible now.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: No, and when you look at that division, and I
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: said this yesterday on one of our shows, I said,
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: I think you could plan for a home playoff game
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: in Jacksonville.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: I really do.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: I don't see the Colts rebounding in any way, shape,
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: or form. I don't think the Titans have any chance
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: to rebound. And the Texans will rebound, I think, if
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: they beat the Chargers, I think they might get to 5-5,
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: but then their schedule gets tough too.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: So I don't think they're going to catch them.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: So I think you can pretty much pencil in that
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: you'll see a playoff game in Jacksonville. The question becomes
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: now seeding. Go try and get a good seed, even
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: the number one seed. I think that's what they got
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: to do. And nobody will talk about that. You know
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: how these guys are. But that's the goal now because
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: I think they're going to win the division.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Have the AFC run through Jacksonville?
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Maybe. And the 40,000 fans, the NFL will hate it.
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: Listen, it'll be loud. That's all they need to know.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Pete, let me ask you this.
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: Like, you can see it, you know, maybe running through Jacksonville,
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: running through Buffalo, maybe KC, Cincinnati. all cold weather teams,
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: it seems like. Do you think this Jaguars offense is
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: better suited? Let's just say this team in general. Do
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: you think this team is better suited for the warm
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: weather and, like, you know, explosive game or more of
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: a sloppy, you know, kind of drag them out type
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: of football game?
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: Well, I think the way they're constructed on defense right now,
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: they're suited for an ugly, you know, defensive game.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Cold weather, yeah.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: Because in the weather, you've got to run the ball,
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: and they stop the run.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: But if they add a pass rusher, then I don't
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: think it's going to matter because they can score. We
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: know they can score and Trevor can throw the ball around.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's one thing about the second half
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: of the season. You're going to see better, better from
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: the passing game. We haven't seen good enough yet from
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: the passing game. And it's been good at times, but
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: I think it can be really good. And I don't
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: think we've seen the best of it yet.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think we've seen the best of the run
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: game either. So it is interesting. They're still scoring 30-plus
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: in a lot of these games, but it doesn't feel
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: like they've hit their stride yet with it.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: Just little misses, you know, here and there.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: Like the Kobe Myers one in the middle of the
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: field against the Texans.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: The defensive back fell down.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: If Trevor puts that on him, and he should have
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: caught it, but if he puts it on him where
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: he can run... he might run for a touchdown. I
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: went back and watched that again. He splits a guy
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: right up the sideline. He might score a touchdown, and
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: yet just those kind of little misses are what's impacting
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: this passing game from being what it truly can be.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: And Basial Tootin would have had like two or three
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: extra touchdowns by this point if all the penalties were called.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: And some of them are explosive. He feels, I know,
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: I'm telling the conductor the Tootin train, but he.
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: Feels very primed to have... uh, one of those breakout games.
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: And yes, people get all the credit.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: You know, it's funny cause he's the best running back
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: from that draft class.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: I saw John Shipley say that the other day, um,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: freelancer with us that works for sports illustrated, say that
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: about the class.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Um, and it is an interesting topic. No, he was,
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: it was, uh, yeah.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: Um, There's a couple other guys.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: Scataboo? Although after yesterday, Scataboo had a heck of a game.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Was Judkins in that class too?
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Judkins. Yeah, he was.
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: Scataboo.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: But it was hard.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: So like the first year, you can kind of. So
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: it's Ashton Gentia, Marion Hampton, Quinshawn Judkins, Travion Henderson, RJ Harvey,
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Caleb Johnson, Basial Tootin, Cam Scataboo, Trevor Etienne, excuse me,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Woody Marks. And then a whole bunch of other people,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Jaden blue later on.
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: There's a bunch of.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: And so when you look at it, he is the
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: best running back in that class. Cause Hampton was supposed
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: to be the breakout star this year.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: And he hasn't been.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: And it was really good on Sunday though.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: Against the tight.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: It was good too.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: It was Genting.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Uh, Scadaboo was pretty good too.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, he had a touchdown long touchdown on a, um,
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: on a screen pass.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: So yeah, the guys are contributing, but if you.
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: Had to rank them one through whatever that is, Number
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: one would be Tootin'. Yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Remember everyone wanted Jenty for a while before they traded
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: up for Travis Hunter.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: Well, and that's the other part of that. He's technically
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: part of the Travis Hunter trade.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, technically.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: So when you look at that trade, everybody kills them
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: and says, oh, they overpaid for Travis Hunter. Well, the
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: Browns got Graham, Judkins, and I forget who the other, oh, Concepcion,
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: who was pretty good, by the way.
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's looking great.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: And Jacksonville got Hunter, Tootin, and there was one other
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: player they got that I think has contributed. So really,
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: it's not as bad a trade as people try and
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: make it out to be.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: Would you rather have– let me ask you this. Would
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: you rather have.
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: Tootin, Hunter, and I forget who the third one is,
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: or Graham, Concepcion, and Judkins?
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: That's the question. It's close.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: It's close because you still got to see, right?
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: As it stands right now, Pete, I'm taking the Jaguars Hall.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: It's Rayon Lane.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, Rayon Lane.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: So a great special teams player. He's a great special
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: teams player.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: He shouldn't be on the field much, safety as much
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: as he's playing, but he's a great special teams player.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Family reunions. It is. I'm curious why we haven't seen
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: more Jalen Husky. I don't know if they're just... I
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: know Eric Murray came back last week, but I was curious.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: Murray had a rough go of it last week against
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: the Texans. It wasn't very good.
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: I mean, Pete, do you think it speaks on just
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: Huskies not ready? I mean, I get special teams comes
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: into it a little.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: Bit, but.
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: He's probably not ready. And guys get overwhelmed, and there's
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: a lot of... Even with the veterans, we see busts
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: and guys pointing at each other, and communication is so
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: key in knowing where to go. Maybe... Meriwether is a
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: little bit more advanced at it right now than he is.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: And so that's why they played him. Meriwether actually brings
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: a little thump to the game too. He'll hit you.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: I just think that their communication is bad sometimes. And
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: that comes from all the different looks that they used.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Because they don't rush the passer with four.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: You can simplify things.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: If you can rush the passer with four. It's so
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: much easier. Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: I hearken back to one of our fan questions, which was,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: will Coach Camp address players in the second and third
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: level about communication issues? Because Pete, as you mentioned, we
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: saw it was Eric Murray pointing to Foyer on one
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: of those touchdowns against the Texans, this, that, and the other.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: I know Antonio Johnson was out, but as mentioned, when
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: the starters aren't in and some of those other guys are.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: In, you do see the communication lag at times.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: And that was part of their big issues last year
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: was communication breakdowns and allowing explosives, but that did show
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: up as well. I have to imagine they'll focus on
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: that this week.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Well, and even on the big third down conversion... Was
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: it Woody Marks? Yeah.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: Out of the backfield when he came across the formation
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: to set up the field goal, the game-winning field goal.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: They were standing there. You could see them pointing and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: looking at each other and who's going to pass it
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: off and who didn't.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: And nobody got to him because they didn't pass it off.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: And it looked like a Luikon was telling Jordan Lewis
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: to pass it off, and he didn't pass it off,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: and that was a big issue.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's one thing if you're just getting out-skilled, right, because...
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: you know, the offense makes money too as well. So
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 7: sometimes like it's just a bad matchup, but it's another
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: thing when you shoot yourselves in the foot, right? And
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: you're not giving yourselves a chance. And I think really
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: the theme of this defense in the secondary so far
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 7: is they're not giving themselves a chance sometimes where there's
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 7: there's busts, there's guys wide open.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: And then that's cleaned up. Right.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: So whether that happens with do you simplify things a
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 7: little more? Do you get, you know, your defense back
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: healthy and it's probably make a big difference. But like
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: something's got to change, because once again, if we're talking
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: about elite quarterbacks in the playoffs that you're going against,
• 1:02:02
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  Speaker 3: We heard Liam Cohen talking about Brian Thomas jr. And
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: his role in this, what this is going to look
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: like going forward. And, I will give some credit to
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Brent Martineau, our friend over at Action Jacks Sports. And
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: he was saying this reminded him a little bit of
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: last year when Cam Little had missed some kicks. And
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: after the bye, Liam Cohen came out, was very strongly
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: behind Cam Little and how much they were going to
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: need him and had trust in him and look to
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: where they got with that. So maybe this is another
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: speaking things into existence with Brian Thomas Jr. Because Pete,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: he's not not trying. He's out there blocking. He's doing
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: what needs to be done. And he's not checked out
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: by any means. So they're going to utilize him when
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: he's here as long as he is here. I think
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: that's fair to say.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: And unless they get a top defensive lineman as part
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: of a deal, I'm not trading him.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: I'm just not. I think there's too much to like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: about him. He's a young kid. He's a young player.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: He's on a cheap deal, relatively cheap deal. And what
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: he does, none of those other guys can do. And
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: he just has to do it consistently. He has to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: be more consistent. The guy we saw in the summer,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: if he was that exact player, came onto the field
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: and showed up and said, I'm playing this way on Sunday,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: he'd get six for 80 and a touchdown.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: And that's kind of why you don't want to get
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: rid of him.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, and I do compare it to the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: Ken Little thing a little bit, but I feel like
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: we've been here a couple times now with Brian Thomas Jr.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: in terms of like trying to get, you know, I mean,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: how many times has Liam Cohen said it's the best
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: practice we've seen from Brian Thomas Jr.? You know, we
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: don't really hear that a lot of other players, right? So,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, like I said before, Liam Cohen's definitely trying
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: to do his part to give him that confidence. And
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: maybe the bye week is what he needed, right, to
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: kind of just, You know, decompress a little bit. And
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: this is the hard thing, too, about being a professional athlete.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: You make a lot of money, so no one feels
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: sorry for you.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: Of course not.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: But, like, his attitude and demeanor, like, I think people
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: get it crossed in the wrong way, right? Because the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: wide receiver position, it's so predicated off of having this
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: ego and being loud and boisterous and everything. And Brian
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: Thomas Jr. is not like that. Right or wrong, he's
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: not like that. So, like, when he has these games, right,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: and he's, you know, calm, cool, and collected like he
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: always is, people take that as, oh, well, lookit, he
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 7: just doesn't care.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Like, no, you can't be any more farther than the truth.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: It's just the fact that this is always– it's always
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: been his demeanor. And even when it's going great, even
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: when he's the leading receiver his rookie year– You never
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: would have guessed it by interviewing him or talking to him.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: No, but he'll get a little fired up in the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: game now.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Of course. He's going to flex a little bit if
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: he makes a nice catch.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Which you like. Which you like.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, I just think last year there were so
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: much things going on with him, and he couldn't figure
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: out what was going on. They couldn't figure out what
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: was going on. But more than that, he was hurt,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: and he kind of never really– that never kind of
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: bubbled to the surface much. It was out there, but
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: it was to the extent nobody really knew. And so
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: I think that's the scary thing about it right now is.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: He's healthy and he's not producing. So why not? That's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: what they have to find out. Why not? Why is
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: he not the.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: Guy we saw in the spring and the summer?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: You know, people last year tried to say, well, he
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: took that shot in the preseason, and maybe it had
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: some bearing on it. But I think what we saw
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: in the preseason and this year and in training camp
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: and in the spring, that's a different guy. But if
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: that guy showed up, you wouldn't even consider trading him.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: And listen... But you've got to use them. Of course.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: And we can sit here and talk about the mentality
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: of a player and it's a mental thing and you've
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: got to do this, get more confidence. And yeah, all
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: that is true. But at the end of the day...
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: this only goes so far. Like at the end of
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: the day, it's still a performance based business and, and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: you get, you get paid to perform. And, you know,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: I think he has the luxury a little bit because
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: we have seen the great from Brian Thomas jr. And
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: what it's looked like. And we are aware and defenses
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: show you how they're aware in terms of, they're afraid
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: of getting beat by Brian Thomas jr. So he has
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: that in his back pocket as well, but that will
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: only take you so far to the point of then
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: it's going to be become, okay, well, It's not working out.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: Do we find somebody else to fill that role? Not
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: to that point yet. I think he's had plenty of opportunities,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: but I guess, Peter, the question is how much longer
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: do you try to wait and see?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, if you don't get a deal for him,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: I think you have to wait and see. The other
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: thing about the first-year numbers– Who else was on that
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: roster that they were throwing to?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: I was thinking that, Pete, when, you know, everyone's trying
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: to figure out exactly what the issue is. I feel
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: like a Denver game kind of hurt Brian Thomas Jr.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: because that was the first time he had a good
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: chunk of targets and he wasn't able to come through
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: because every game that he had success was, A, half
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: of it was with Mac Jones and the other half
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: was with Trevor.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 6: He was getting the ball 10 times. Like, they were
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: going to.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: And in those games, if you go back and look
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: at who the number two receiver was, it wasn't any
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: of the guys now.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: So who was it? It was, they were bad players
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: or maybe Christian.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: Kirk, but, and Evan, like Evan Ingram, like, but they
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: were getting hurt all the time. So it wasn't like
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: they were hurt.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: And so he was the only guy it's kind of like,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: and I, you guys watch the NBA, I'm sure.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: But in the NBA, if a starter's.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: Hurt, a guy who plays 13 minutes normally and scores
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: like eight or 10 points. If he starts and plays
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: 35 minutes, he's probably going to score 20.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: If he's a score, he's gonna score 22, 23 points. Sure.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: Because he's the guy that's now he's getting the opportunities
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: to take a shot. That doesn't mean he's, he's good
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: or he's better than the other guy.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: It's a point it's analogy point as well. Cause some
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: people can't come off the bench in basketball because they,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: need to have the ball, they need to be in
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: the game and get the flow of the game. And
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: I think wide receivers can be like that as well,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: because if Brian's only getting a couple targets, you know,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: I talk about Josh Cameron taking.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: Advantage, he gets two targets, he's fine.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: He's a gamer, yeah.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Brian Tom Sugar may be someone that needs to be
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: fed the ball a little bit to get going and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: get in the flow of the game. If he's only
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: got three targets and then he messes them up, then
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: it's a lot more glaring to you, whereas.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: Opposed to if he has 10 or more.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: But then I'm saying that, and also in the Denver game,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: he had a good amount of targets and he wasn't
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: able to come through.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: But there's games where Jacoby Myers, we talk about it,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: had two targets and whatever. This is what I talked
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: about at the beginning of the year.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: The problems are arising.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: It's hard to make everybody, now that Travis Hunter's in
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: the equation, because he can run routes now.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: Those routes he ran were crisp.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 7: But do you think, I mean, but it's not getting
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: to the point yet, Pete, of cryptic tweets or anything.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Like, I think we're all good because they're still winning
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: football games.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: No, but you know wide receivers deep down. I do, yeah.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: I guarantee you they're not happy. None of them? Parker's
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: probably not. No, none of them.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, Jacoby's such a good dude, like team player, block,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: do his stuff.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: He probably never would in a million years say anything.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: But look at Parker Washington. This is a money year
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: for him.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Money.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: There are games where he hasn't produced as much as
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: you would expect in some of those games.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: No, he has not. And I think lost a little
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: bit in that Texans game. There was drops by many people,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: not just Brian Thomas Jr.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: Parker included.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: But, yeah. But I'm going to stand by this guy, though.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: He's still the spark. Of course he is. He's a
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: good player.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: He turned it.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: I remember you during.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: The summer, you were saying he was better than Zay Flowers.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: Didn't you say he was better than Zay Flowers? This summer?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: I said give Zay Flowers money.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: He wanted Zay Flowers money.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: Zay Flowers is better than Parker Washington.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 7: I mean, if you give Parker Washington 12 targets a game,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: what does that look like?
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Stats are the same.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's comparable.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think Zay Flowers is a little more dynamic. Okay,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 7: so they're different players, though, right? Zay Flowers can get
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: the ball in space, take it anywhere in the house.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: But Parker, if Parker is truly the number one, and
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: he is, he needs to make that catch at the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: end of the game.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: A couple of them.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: And I agree with you.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: But, I mean, I think the kid's a great football player. But, again,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: you've got to look at the reality of it. They played,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: what now? It's seven games, right? No.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Six.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: Seven was the bye week for them.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: Six games.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: Go through his game logs and tell me what the
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: catches are.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: And the numbers.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: Well. Didn't we do this?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: We did some of this last week.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: That's right, we did.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: Two of them were kind of like that.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: Two dynamic games and four okay games, I think it was.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: So... Yeah.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: Hold on, let me get all of them, because I
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: just have.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: He's a good player.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: I'm not taking anything away from him, but there are
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: moments where he's got to be the player.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, if we're waiting, Kai, I can... Okay, go ahead.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: So against the Browns, he had six targets, five receptions,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: a touchdown for 83 yards.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: Good game.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: Good game.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: Really good game.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: Broncos, 12 targets, seven receptions, 98 yards.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: Good game.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: Zero touchdowns.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: Patriots, five targets, three catches, 40 yards, touchdown.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: Bad game. Not a bad game, but not a number
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: one wide receiver game. Sure.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: I would say Bengals bad game. Three targets, one reception,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: seven yards, zero touchdowns.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: That's the bad game.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: That was the bad one.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: That's the bad game.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: Eagles, nine targets, six receptions, 124 yards, two touchdowns. Crucial
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: moments as well. Texans, 11 targets, four receptions, 64 yards,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: zero touchdowns.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: Okay. So of the six games, three good. Three not
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: so good.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: How many yards total does he have this year?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: 416.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: Okay. Four touchdowns.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. So Zay's got 608 with three touchdowns. Okay. So
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Zay's got a beating yardage for sure.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: So Parker's 26 for 46.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: What's his yards per catch? Parker's what?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: I don't have it on mine, but I can look
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: it up.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yards per catch for him and Zay Flowers.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: I think it's... And again– You think Zay's is going
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: to be a lot shorter, but– Look, it's close, but
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: Zay's has got a little more juice.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Sure, but Zay also got paid what, Pete? Two years
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: ago or last year? When did he get paid?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: Last year.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: Last year.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Or was it– last year.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean– I don't know. I think it's comparable
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 7: just in terms of inflation and everything. Like I think
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: that's realistically if you– I mean, now, will he get–
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: will Parker's people get that?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe not. But I think if I'm Parker's people– That's
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: what I'm asking for.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: What do you think, Pete? I know we don't know
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: number numbers, but what is Parker wanting that they're like
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: being held up on?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: Is it a large?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know the specifics of the numbers, but, um,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: I imagine the low would be Wilson and, uh, And
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: the 20, what did Wilson get?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: 25, 25, I think.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: But, but you would think like, I mean, if, if,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: if you're the brass, wouldn't you say, okay, well, if
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: Wilson got that much, we're not going to shortchange Parker.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: Cause I mean, I think we'd all take Parker over Wilson, right?
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think, I mean, you've.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: Got to throw a 25 out there for him. Maybe
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: they offered him 25 and he said no.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying, Pete. Like, how can you not
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 7: offer him 25? That's what Wilson got.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: Okay, but if he said no to 25, is that
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: a good deal?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: Is that a good deal for him?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's a deal I'm betting on himself, which
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 7: I'm always a fan of. It's risky, but I'm a
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 7: fan of it. But if I'm Parker Washington and his team,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: I'm going, I'm much better than Michael Wilson is, so yeah,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: I'm going to need some more.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: What's Flowers' deal?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: I don't remember what his deal is.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: I think he's 25, too. I can look it up.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: They're almost identical yards for catch, by the way. Zay's 15.2,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: Parker's 16.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: Parker's 16. That's a good number, though.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: He's got those huge chunk plays in there.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 7: They're starting to go deep with him, Pete, a little bit,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 7: you know, especially if you can't use Brian Thomas Jr.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: like you want to use him. Like, they're starting to
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 7: implement a little more Parker Washington now on some go routes.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: And the numbers would be even better if he caught
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: the ball on the sideline.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: Just got him.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Cost himself two more million right there. That one drive.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: I love him, and I think he's great for the team,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: and I think he's a great kid to have on
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: the team. They'll get a deal done, but it's just
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: a matter of when and where.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: It comes in.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: Zay Jones, 140 over four, averages 35. A year.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: 35.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: I say flowers.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: Flowers average 35?
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: That's a bit pricey.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of money.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: You think over 30? You've got to go through over
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: 30 now, right?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, Watson's deal is only 25, isn't it?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's something like that. But are you taking...
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Somewhere between that. But are you going to take Watson
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: over Parker Washington?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: I might, because I like to... Yeah, it's close.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 7: See, I think Parker can get you 10 receptions a game.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 7: I haven't seen Christian Watson be able to do that yet.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: And he hasn't stayed healthy.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Four years, 110. Average is 27.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: 27 and a half.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's about where Parker should come in.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: 27, 28.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: I wonder if that was offered and he was like,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: I'm betting on myself.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: Well, you better get going then. Seriously.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: If you're betting on yourself to be a 30-something million
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: dollar a year wide.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: Receiver, you better get going. That's fair.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: Because they can tag him, too. Let's not forget.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: There's extra time here, yes.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: But what is that going to be?
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: Outrageous.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: If you're him, you don't want that either, though.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 7: No, because it's not long-term. But, I mean, Pook, I think,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 7: is in term for new contract eventually. So if he
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: gets paid, that'll... elevate the franchise tag so now you're
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: talking okay.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: Whatever guess uh he shouldn't get that much no but.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: I'm saying for the franchise tag beat okay it's gonna
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: drive it up yeah yeah we'll.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: Have to see it's gonna be money we're gonna take
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: a break and then we're gonna talk about the jaguars
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: upcoming schedule what you guys can look forward to obviously
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: the colts matchup this week but much more coming up
• 1:17:42
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• 1:17:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, penalties, specifically in the red area, have been a
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: little bit of an issue on offense. You know, defensively,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 8: too many explosives in the pass game. And then on
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 8: special teams, we've got to perform better on punt return
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: and kickoff coverage specifically.
• 1:18:11
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• 1:18:14
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• 1:18:17
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• 1:18:19
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• 1:18:22
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• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: Liam Cotten weighing in a little bit on the self-scout,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: what they were looking at. Penalties, obviously we know that.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: They want to see a little bit more out of
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: special teams and Just clean things up. But I think
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: the message overall after that Texans game, everyone was disappointed.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: This is a good football team. They just got to
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: clean some things up, do some things better, maybe add,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: maybe not. But this is a very different situation than
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: this time last year. We were, they were going to
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: Vegas after the buy last year. And I remember that
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: kind of being the, if they lose, maybe there'll be seller.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: Cause we didn't know what it was the first year
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: of the new regime. We didn't know what that was
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: going to look like. And I know going into that game,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: it was like, well, if they lose and there'll be
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: at 500 and then are they going to sell? And,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: And they won, and they went all in, and here
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: we are now. But 13-4 in their first year.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: If the ball got batted down, otherwise they would have.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: Lost that game.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: Just knocking them for not getting their hands up. And
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: Devon Hamilton saved me from spiraling for at least a week,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: potentially a season, by getting his big mitt up there
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: and blocking that pass.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: Was it overtime, or was it going into overtime? I
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: can't remember. It was overtime, right?
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: That would have been bad.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: That would have been a lot of play at home.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: One thing, get the play in. They reverted to that again.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: It's just so frustrating to watch.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: And again, they're not alone in this league. It's happening
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: all over and I don't understand it. Get the play in,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: get to the line of scrimmage. If you got to
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: get out of the play, get out of the play,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: but get it in.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: Pete feels like we're seeing different trends across the league
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: as a whole, not to get completely off topic, but.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: People are struggling to get plays in. It's slower, obviously,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: the penalty-officiating situation. SAC numbers are down.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: Blitz numbers are up.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: Is this just kind of whatever the hotness is right now,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: or is there things contributing to all of these changes
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: we're seeing?
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: Well, I think defenses being ahead of offenses is something
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: that I wrote about all summer, and it's kind of
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: carried over. The offenses still haven't adjusted to all that.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: Which team is going to figure out all the– eight
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: man front mug, double a gap mugs and blitzes and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: different looks.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: And figure it out because it's coming.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: We know it's coming because every defense that's ever been
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: out there has eventually been figured out. You know, you
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: can go back to blitz, remember Blitzburg that when they
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: had the three, four, it got figured out. I go
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: back to the bears. Remember the old 85 bears, one
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: of the greatest football teams ever and greatest defense ever.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: They would come from all over. But what happened?
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: The Washington, they're the commanders now, but back then they
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: were a different name. They decided to max protect and
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: send two people into the route, and they started hitting big.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: Plays against it.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: So everything in the history of the league will get
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: figured out. But so far after, what are we, seven
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: games in? Has anybody figured this stuff out?
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: I don't think they have.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Pete, let me ask you this, man, because.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: It seems like now the trend, because it's like fashion, man.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: It comes and it goes, right?
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: So right now the trend for everybody around the league,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: mostly I say, but the majority of the teams, it's 12,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 7: 13 personnel.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: It's play action, all this stuff.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 7: How long before teams get hip to the game and
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: they start going, you know what?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: You know what would make a lot of sense?
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 7: If we spread these fast wide receivers out and start
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: doing shorts and intermediate routes and start doing like a
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 7: spread up-tempo type of offense again.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Do you give it two years, three.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Years, Pete?
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: Well, and here's... Austin, here's the reluctance to that. And
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: believe me, I asked them about it because that's what
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: I would do. Sure.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: But you know what they like?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: They like coming to the line of scrimmage and being
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: able to have guys go in motion and all that
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: bells and whistles and.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: Indicators and everything else. Whereas if you spread people out
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: and just go, you don't move. It's stationary. It's stagnant.
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  Speaker 5: And I get it because I'm with you because I
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: think right now... the defense is dictating with all their looks.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: And if you go fast, they won't be able to
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: get into all that stuff. And if they try to,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: you're going to hit them with the ball out, big
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: plays down the field, you know, make a guy miss
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: and off you go.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: We don't, do you see that much anymore?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: Quick throw where a guy busts a tackle and goes
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: up the seam for 70 yards.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: You don't.
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  Speaker 7: Pete, some of the most painful reps that I ever
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 7: got in a football field and I'll never forget was
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: playing against that Chip Kelly offense that the first year when.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: It was like, nobody figured it out yet.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: It comes from college.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 7: And talking about those 12-play no-huddle drives, Pete, I'm on
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 7: the sidelines asking for IVs and resuscitation because you couldn't
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: sub guys out, so guys are tired, and you're literally
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 7: at the mercy of that offense. And then obviously teams
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: got hip to it and teams figured it out, but
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: this is what I'm saying, where people want to use
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: all the pre-snap motions and all the window dressing, and
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 7: that's fine. But eventually I feel like you're going to
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 7: go back to the no huddle, spread them out and
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: everything and start gassing defenses more than, you know, using
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 7: all those pre-snap motion looks.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: I'm with you. I'm with you.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: And they're reluctant to do it because nobody else is
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: doing it. And everybody's doing 13 and 12 personnel.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: And getting pre-snap motion.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: And here's the other part of that. Can your quarterback
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: handle it? Because he's got to be that guy.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: True. And I think Trevor could handle it now. Trevor
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: a year ago, maybe not. Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: But how many guys in the league can handle it
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: joe burrow could handle it if if i said this
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: last night on our show if you watch the game
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: yesterday they did they ran the ball in the first
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: half they weren't throwing it around they.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: Do it every game at the beginning of every season
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: i'm like you have the best talent most talented weapons
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: and they don't.
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  Speaker 5: You know i would play a game and i have
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: them never run the Pete, because it's ego, man.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 7: And Chase Brown's not a bruiser, but this is how
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 7: football coaches think. It's like, if we can inflict our
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: dominance and run the football and be physical and everything,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 7: that's not who the Bengals are. And you saw it
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: in the second half. It was a tale of two teams.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 7: Second half, oh, that's right. We have Jamar Chase and
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: Tee Higgins. Let's see what they can do.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: Right, and throw it around and dictate a tempo, and
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: it was their game. Take the game, make it your game,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: and teams are allowing the defenses to make it their game.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: When you play the Minnesota Vikings, why would you allow
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: them to put eight men at the line of scrimmage
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: and not make them pay? i'd make him pay every
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: damn time like you said go fast get the ball
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: out they wouldn't have any idea which one he is
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: coming and boom ball out and break a tackle and
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: off you go we don't get that anymore in the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: nfl but just don't.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 7: Pete but here's the beauty of that though man you
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 7: look at this jaguars team you can see him going
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 7: 12 13 personnel pounding the rock but you can also
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 7: see him maybe going a little up tempo with three
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 7: wide receivers yes they have to Or.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: Four if you put Hunter on the field.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: Or four if you put Hunter on the field. But, hey,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 7: there's not a lot of teams that can do both
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: in this league. The Jaguars can do both.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: And you know what?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: You can run off of that spread. Back in the day,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: Thurman Thomas ran off of that. Back for the Buffalo Bills,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: he ran wild off.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Of that spread. Imagine Chris Rodriguez in that spread. I'm kidding.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: No. No, stop it.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, come on.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: We're having a great day.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: Can you imagine Chris Rodriguez after a bye week, well-refreshed
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: and rested?
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: You know what I would see out of that spread?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: What do you got?
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: Tooting catching a lot of passes out of that spread
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: and also ripping off long runs.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: What does he have, two receptions this year for Chris
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez or one reception?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I broached that topic to Yudinsky in
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: the summer, and he laughed at me, kind of.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: What's that? I had it.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: Going to like a K gun style of office, you know,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: like the, the bills used to run.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: He said, well, really, why would you do that? Why
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: would you do that? And I was like, you know,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: you don't.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: Get the indicators and don't get all that motion and
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: everything's stagnant and they don't, they're reluctant to it.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: You just wait till it's like the AFC championship game
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 7: against the chiefs or something. And then watch what the
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 7: Jaguars do is see if they don't come out with
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: that against a strong, you know, Casey run defense.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: By the way, I think in, in, in Liam Cohn,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: Udinski and Campanile, they have three outstanding schematic coaches and
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: all three will be, you know, Cohen's a head coach.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: Udinski will be a head coach. And so will Campanile.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: I think they're all going to be head coaches in
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: this league.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: Sooner than later, probably as well. I know both of them.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: Well, if they go to my offense, Udinski will be
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: a head coach next year. Go fast, go fast, get
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: the play in, go, go, go, go, go.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: So let's talk about the Colts coming up. We don't
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: know who's going to be on their roster by the
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: time they get here on Sunday, as mentioned.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: I don't think they'll make a deal before that, though.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: You don't think so?
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: No, I don't.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: You're still trying to wait it out?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: Like you said, they're still semi-alive. Go play. You win,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: then maybe. Then you start making deals if you lose.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: For me, if you could be the Titans or you
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: could be the Colts, which one would you pick right
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: now in the situations that they're in?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 7: Titans.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: Titans. Titans.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: There's no first round pick in Indianapolis. They traded it
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: away for Sauce Gardner, who hasn't played very well. So
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: two of them, they traded two of them. Let's not
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: forget that. Two first round picks. No wonder why that
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: guy got fired. So yeah, I'd rather be that Titans
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: have my first round pick You have a young quarterback.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: He hasn't played as well, but.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: There is still something there, and he's only in his
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: second year, halfway through his second year.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: So there's something there. I'd rather be the Titans. And
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: you get a new stadium.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: Okay, a new stadium too as well. And plus, I mean,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 7: who's to say the Colts coach is going to be
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: there by the end of the season?
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: I think he makes it to the end of the
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: season because she likes him from what you hear.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: But I don't know if he makes it into next year.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's hard to get a new GM
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: when you're not going to let them pick, you know,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: have both new GM and new coach, because sometimes when
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: you do one or the other, it doesn't always work out.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 6: So I think maybe that's also.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: If they don't like each other, especially that.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: But new ownership in India as well, because the daughter's
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: kind of taking over. So we don't really know where
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: they're going to go with that either. Yeah.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: Or what's the structure of the organization?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: Do you get a Tony Vasselli-like guy in the building
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: and then let it build down? I mean, that seems
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: to be what the Falcons did with Matt Ryan. And
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: so has that become the new trend? And the word
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: is they tried to contact Peyton, but he has no interest.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: In doing it.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, but maybe, you know, I'm trying to think
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: of somebody else that they could do that might be
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: able to do that in their organization. But I think
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: when you look at that's kind of where people, you know,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: you mentioned it.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Austin, everybody's a copycat. They copy everything in this league.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: So now you got Pacelli, you got Matt Ryan, and
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: then on down, I think teams are going to try
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: and structure.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: It that way.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm assuming there's bad blood, but doesn't Andrew
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: Luck do like GM stuff for Stanford right now?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: He does. Yeah.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: And I feel like he's pretty happy there doing that
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: whole thing. I don't know. I mean, he looks like
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: he's enjoying it.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: He really does look like he's enjoying it.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: He seems like someone that would be good in a
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: role like that, like a EVP situation.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 6: So I don't know.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's anything there, but.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Could play quarterback for him still.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: He probably, he could still be.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: He'd probably still be their best quarterback if he put.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: A helmet on. He could put a helmet on right
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: now and be their best quarterback.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: I think that's fair to say. What do the Jaguars
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: need to do on Sunday to not break their winning
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: streak against Indy? Is it just showing up being themselves?
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: Play the run.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: Play the run and you win. You stop Jonathan Taylor,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: you win. I think it's that simple.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, this isn't one of those games where you have
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 7: to play outside yourselves or have this miraculous game.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: You just got to be you.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 7: And who you've been all season is a team that
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 7: can be physical in the trenches and stop the run.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: So I think if you do that, regardless of Tyler
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 7: Warren's going to be playing or not, but they're down Pierce,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 7: Josh Downs. What is Josh Downs doing, Pete?
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: Keenan Allen has been their target monster, but he's kind
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 7: of on the back nine of his career. They don't
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 7: scare you on offense, right? And you look at their
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 7: defense where you can put up points against them. Secondary
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 7: is porous right now. So, yeah, just be yourselves, and
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 7: the rest will take care of itself.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: They show up.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: We're going to take one more break, and then we'll
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: come back, talk about what's been going on around the
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: NFL and preview Monday Night Football. Stay with us here
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: on Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings. Welcome
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: back into Happy Hour presented by Mr.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 6: Chubby's Wings.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: It's a bi-week edition. We're well rested. We got to
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: watch football, do what other activities you wanted over the weekend.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: Pete never takes a break, so he watched all the
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: games per usual. Pete, earlier in the week, Patriots and
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: Bears was one I watched, and I find it interesting.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: The Patriots and the Browns now have good records again,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: so now those wins look even better for the Jaguars,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: but the Bears got that 30 to 24 when the
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: bears are coming up on the Jaguar schedule in December, I.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: Believe it's going to be a tough game to be
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: a tough one.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: And it's going to be a good one in Chicago.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: Because they throw it around. How about both?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: Those teams should be in the max Crosby pass rush
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: derby because the bears need another edge rusher.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: So, I mean, that'd be interesting by then if somebody
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: made a deal for him, they would have them.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: So that's something to keep an eye on. But Caleb
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: Williams was.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: Fantastic that night, just playing great football.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No one got lost in the equation. He had
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: a good game in this particular game. But remember when
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: it was all like Malik neighbors, Marvin Harrison Jr. and
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: Roma Dunzey.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: And you really hadn't seen anything. Obviously, Marvin Harrison Jr.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: Got traded because you hadn't seen anything from him. And
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: Roma Dunzey really hadn't seen much from him until that game. Uh,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: but similar, it was like all three of them was like, Oh,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: they're all be successful.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 6: It's just your pick.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: And now like what they've kind of become in a
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: matter of a couple of years.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's wild though, how you can compare the
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 7: bears and the Jags in terms of the wide receiving threats.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 7: Like it's not just one player, like Luther burden can
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 7: beat you that they have a tight end who can
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: beat you Colston Loveland.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 7: And obviously a running game to back it up as well.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: So very similar teams, very offensive oriented coaches and everything.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for that matchup.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I am too.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: I can't wait.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: That's going to be a good one. Let's hope the
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: weather doesn't ruin it.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Pete, the Chargers are the only team that hasn't won
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: a football game yet.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: What did you say they were going to go 0-9?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: Did they win this week in the Battle of Los Angeles?
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: They play the Rams this week.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: I don't either.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: What did you say they were going to go 0-9?
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: You had them going pretty far out.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: I had 0-9, so this would be 0-7, right?
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: They're almost there.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: Then the Texans are what after that, I think, is 0-7.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: They'd have to beat the Texans at home.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: And then what was week nine?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: I forget what week nine was, but it's entirely possible
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: that they could be 0-9.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: That's one of my playoff teams too, Pete.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: Rams, then they host the Texans. Then it's at Ravens
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: on a night game.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 6: Then they host the Jets.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: So if they're 0-9.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 6: Do they start talking.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: About firing him?
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: Something's got to change.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: When you throw the coordinator under the bus. Yeah, you
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: throw a coordinator under the bus. That's probably the move, right?
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're not going to fire Harbaugh. He makes too
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: much money and they'd owe him too much money.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: 0-9. What else went on around the league? 49ers go
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: on the road. The Falcons.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: Well, Dan Campbell's being an idiot again.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Someone's got to save that man for himself. Holy cow.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, every week it's something.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: You know what's funny, though, Austin? Everybody said, now you
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: see it. Oh, the analytics say it was close to
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: a decision. I don't care what the analytics said.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: It wasn't 44-41.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: If it was 44-41 and that was that kind of game,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: then you go.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, maybe. But it was 17-17.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 7: And if it wasn't for a kicker from Green Bay,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 7: they would have lost that game because of decisions like that.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: That's just, it's moronic. And everybody says, well, it's fourth
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: and one. Maybe on the stat sheet, it was fourth
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: and one.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 5: It was just inside the two yard, I mean, two
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: yards being, so it was almost.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: Fourth and two. It's a different animal when it's fourth
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: and two.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: It wasn't like, I don't know if you guys saw
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: in a different team, but you saw the Dolphins win
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: their game by getting a quarterback sneak, push, push, but
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: they were at midfield.
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  Speaker 4: It was only about that far. And they're the Dolphins.
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  Speaker 4: They're playing for anything.
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  Speaker 1: It's a different thing.
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  Speaker 4: And I think, I think Campbell's got to reign it in.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: It's just reckless.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He does make you feel better about Liam Cohen being
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: quote reckless. Cause compared to that, it's like not even
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: on the same plane.
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  Speaker 4: That's a bit.
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  Speaker 5: And by the way, Matt LaFleur was reckless in that
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: game too. He had a fourth and four with a
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: chance to tie it at 10 and decided to give out.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, granted his field goal kicker stinks and probably
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: cut him today. I don't, I haven't heard if they had,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: but fourth and four, uh, from inside the 10 yard line,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: you got to kick to tie the game. Jesse Minner
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: chance to take the lead on a fourth and two
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: with a field goal in the fourth quarter. Doesn't take
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: it decides to go for it with his backup quarterback.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: What is wrong with these guys?
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: Also in that division where it is as tight as
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: it gets and they are all so talented.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: It's like the opposite of the NFC South.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: So it's just every single team is so talented and
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: so good. So every little thing matters, but. Those are
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: some of the good ones over the weekend. Let's talk
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: about tonight.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: Got it.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a rivalry matchup between two historic franchises.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: The Cowboys roll into Philly. They're desperate.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: They need a win.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: The Eagles, they got a whole lot of stuff going on,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: especially without their starting quarterback under the bright lights at
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: the link.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 6: Cowboys-Eagles, who you got?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: Tough place to play, Pete. Tough place to play. Who
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: you got?
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: Really a tough place to play. I'm going to take
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: the Cowboys, but I think it's really close. I think
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: it's close.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: Let the record show.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: Pete Prisco is the Jaguars of the AFC South here
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: at four and two. Austin Lane is pick your fighter
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: of either the Colts or the Texans at two and four.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's going to be in a week,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: but it ain't going to be this week.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to trust McKee to go out there
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: on Monday night football.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: How are you going to gain ground if we keep?
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 7: I've been studying these matchups. Next week, it's interesting a
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: little bit. Next week, I might get beat.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: But I think the Eagles defense will keep him in
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: the game. The Cowboys offense hadn't been very good the
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: last couple weeks.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Is Saquon playing too?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know if Saquon's back yet.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: He might. He might. There's a chance he plays.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 7: Because, I mean, you can slow the game down a
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 7: little bit on the defense coming right at you.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see. Pete, before we head out, man,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: are we going to lock that in? What are we
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: talking about? What are we talking about? Let's go. We're
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: both locking in.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: Locking in the Colts? Yeah, we got the triple lock
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 6: out of the way. We got the curse done. We
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: can triple lock it.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: Triple lock it.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Coming for those joggers.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: Lucky 13 games in a row, they'll have beaten the
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: Indianapolis Colts. We'll be on iPhone 30 by the next
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: time the Colts win in Jacksonville.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: We can only hope.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: The last time Indy was in Jacksonville, that was when
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: Daniel Jones was in the MVP conversation and he popped
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: the Achilles.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: It was all downhill from there, so... A tough one
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: for him. We'll see what they look like when they
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: get to town, but enjoy the rivalry uniforms. We'll enjoy
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: the game. We'll see you back here next weekend on Jaguars.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 6: Happy hour.