Latest / PNW Haunts & Homicides / Portland’s Titanic Exhibit: A Haunting Tragedy

Transcript

Portland’s Titanic Exhibit: A Haunting Tragedy · PNW Haunts & Homicides

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: This is a quote from Jim, the marketing director of
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: the museum. Okay, the irony of any Titanic exhibit flooding
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: is strange enough, but the fact that our flooded on
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: the exact anniversary of the Titanic sinking is more ironic.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: It's almost paranormal, they even think. But that's a little tool.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: And the interesting thing is this is not the only
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: time it's flooded. Hi, Caitlin, Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people, helly.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: This is PNW Hanson Homicides, where we chat about true crime,
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: the paranormal, and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: or the p and W Nicety and we also do
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: a terror reading at the end of every episode for
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: a little deeper insight into our topic that we do.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: And if you hear some wrestling around in the background,
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: it's just a baby dog. It's just a baby dog.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: It's just my baby, baby baby dog. So don't mind. Shototte.
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: Hopefully that's not a trademarked song. Yeah, I can't imagine
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: it is, but it's your interpretation of it, so that's fine.
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: It's true. It's true. We didn't play the clip or yes, exactly,
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: I think that's permissible.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: It's a cover.
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's such a short clip too, Like I
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: said earlier, No, I don't want to say it sue me.
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't. It has no money. Yeah, well, I
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: don't think we have anything to talk about at the beginning.
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: Let's just it's just a PLoP right into it. Flap
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: is correct.
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's that's like if if we created
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: a mood bar for today's mood, PLoP would be PLoP
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: would be yeah, applop for it.
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just feels right, you know, Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Okay,
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: So I can't remember if I told you about this,
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: but I've been kind of not talking about it on
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: purpose because I wanted to do an episode on it. Oh.
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: So I went to the Titanic Artifact exhibit at Amzi.
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: You did tell me you were going to go. You
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: haven't told me anything about it exactly. I don't even
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: think did I send you any pictures or anything?
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: No? I don't think. So okay, because like while I
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: was there, I was like, I'm going to do an episode.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: I'll find a way. I'll do an episode this way
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: to relate it to the P and W and spooky shit,
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: and you know what here it is, this is what
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: we're doing.
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: If it were the first time we talked about the Titanic.
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: But it's not. It's not. You know, it's not. We
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: haven't done an episode up sold on it though, right now? Okay, No,
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: did you do a true crime episode about it? Yeah?
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: It was like a crossover.
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: It was like a rewatch slash true crime podcast because
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: I basically just talked about how Billy Zane's character is, like, oh, right, criminal.
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: He's kind of a dick, but yeah, it's okay, he's
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: the great person I think. I actually don't know. Don't
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: quote me on that. Yeah, I'm not.
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: I'm really not willing to go out there on a
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: limb for a.
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: Maid, right, yeah, a Hollywood man. We just don't know
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: these days. Yeah, so I'll show you the first picture.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: Oh guess who I went with? By the way, everybody
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: guess your main I went with my mom, with my mom.
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: But here's a picture of me on the day, Oh
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: my god, in front of a picture of the classic
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: Grand Staircase in my h Leonardo DiCaprio shirt. Yeah.
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: I need to get some quotes, you know, because what
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: I want is to have that staircase just installed somewhere here.
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I mean I told your husband to pick
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: up a thousand pounds of lumber at home Depot. So yeah,
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: Lows or wherever the fuck he was going home Depot?
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: Like who got to Low though? I don't know.
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: I guess you go when Low's is closer or home
• 4:27
  Speaker 2: Depot is out of the thing that you wanted.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: Why are they always in the same parking lot. They
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: pretty much are the weirdest thing I've ever seen in
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: my whole life. They're so close together. I don't understand. Anyway,
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: this is not about maybe we should do an episode
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: on Home Depot and Lows, but not today, not today,
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: not today. So in case you guys don't know what
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: AMSY is if you're not from Oregon or the PNW,
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: because I feel like most people in the PNW know
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: what it is. But yeah, it stands for the Oregon
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: Museum of Science and Industry. Oh so they have, you know,
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: tons of science y things there, but they have like
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: different exhibits that roll through aditionally.
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: They also have that what's that thing called with that
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: you could see the stars? Oh, like planetarium. Yeah, they
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: have a sanitarium and I want to go there so badly.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: That sounds really cool. Lived here my whole life had
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: never been to the planetarium. I don't think i've been either.
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: We need to go pot trip, just saying. Their website
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: says about the Titanic Artifact Exhibit, this immersive exhibition offers
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: a rare opportunity for audiences of all ages to explore
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: the innovation, ambition, and tragedy of Titanic while connecting personally
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: with the people whose lives were forever changed by her.
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: Voyage goes on to say, step back to April nineteen
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: twelve and assume the role of a passenger on the
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: ship's first and final journey. With more than one hundred
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: authentic artifacts recovered from the rex set, guests are immersed
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: in life on board the Titanic and the deeply human
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: stories behind one of history's most enduring legends.
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: They were not wrong. All of that is correct, Yes, Okay,
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: super accurate.
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: WHOA.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: So they did have a ton of artifacts that it
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: was like, I'll talk about it a little bit later,
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: but it was just so so eerie to see, just
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: like the water damage of all of the things. It's crazy. Yeah.
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: So when we checked in, they gave us a boarding
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: pass ah to the Titanic the White Star Line. Oh
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: my god, it's so cool. But even cooler than this
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: is on the back they gave you like information about
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: a certain passenger, So they gave you a specific passenger
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: and all of their information.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: Shot the actual Hell uh yep.
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: Wow. So my passenger was mister Paul Edwin Andresen, oh
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: twenty from Sweden. And it gives you, like the if
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: they were accompanied by anyone, It gives you like all
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: their passenger friends or relations. Yeah. And then it tells
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: you what class they were in. I was in third class.
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: Oh buma. My mom was in first. I feel like
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: she uh, she took both the tickets and then handed
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: them handed one to me and I feel like she
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: kind of cheated, but that's fine. Wow. And it has
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: your cabin number, but mine was unknown. I think probably
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: because I was third class. Oh, we don't even care. Yeah,
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: And it tells you like a little blurb about like
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: why they were on the Titanic, a little bit about
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: their life. I think it was so cool. I was
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: a blacksmith. Oh, I like that for you. What are
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: you looking at? I'm looking at.
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: The page for it because I wanted to see if
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: I was like I figured, because I thought this was
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: a pretty new exhibit. But I was like, oh God,
• 8:06
  Speaker 2: is there's still time to go see it?
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it looks like it's open through October.
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and it was open like last month, right
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: mm hmm.
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so right before Spooky st When I get swooped out,
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: I wonder, what's that I.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: Love going to all of their exhibits. Well, I mean,
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: obviously not all of them, but a lot of them
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: I've been to and they're great. They do really great stuff.
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: I've been to like one or two different exhibits over
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: the years, but this is I kind of I need this.
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: I think you need to go. It's really cool and
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: I'll talk about some stuff, but like not even there's
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: way way more like I'm not going to tell you everything.
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, it couldn't possibly cover it, I feel like,
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: but I.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: Will tell you. At the end of the exhibit, you
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: scan a little code on the back of your boarding
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: past tell you if you tells you if you're a
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: survivor or a victim.
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: I am not.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: I know, and sadly both me and my mom were victims.
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: Are not. We were both men too, so I was like,
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know the likelihood, Yes, it's probably not great.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah. And then me being third class, I was like,
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely super going down man. Yeah. Also, at the end,
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: like by the scanning machines, they had a huge wall
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: of all of the survivors and victims names. So it's
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: kind of crazy just to see like the volume, Like
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: you get to see like the volume of people. And
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: obviously like the third class and the crew were the
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: most affected, they had the longest victimless unfortunately. And it
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: was interesting because you could like look through all the
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: names and you can kind of my mom was my
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: mom's passenger persona. He was with his daughter, and so
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: she wanted to go through see like if his daughter
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: had made it out. Yeah, and she did. So that
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: was pretty cool to see, like you can really connect
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: and like relate.
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: To yeah no, and like it really connects you to
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: the narrative.
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was super interesting. So there was a
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: lady standing next to us and she was looking through
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: the names and then she got like really emotional and
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: she's like I found her and it was her. I
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: think it was a relative. I'm not sure. What the
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: relative was. But she found a relative. They're coming for me,
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: but she had found one of her relatives on the
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: list of survivors. Wow, and she got very emotional. It
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: was crazy to kind of witness that.
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I can imagine.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: How many people like you were there for that moment
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: when that person found like their relative, right, yeah. Wow.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: And she had said that person like wouldn't talk about it. Really, So,
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if she admitted to even being
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: on the Titanic or what. I don't obviously, I don't
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: know this person's life story, but it right, it sounded
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: like because she was so excited to find her name
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: that maybe she didn't even admit to being on it.
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe maybe it was like something where
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: it was like it was a fact that was maybe
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: known to certain family members, but something that she didn't
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: want to discuss, right, which totally makes sense.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: Understandable because I can't even imagine going through something like
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: that's crazy. And there was quite a few informational posters
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: of the survivor's stories, and obviously a lot of them
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: had to do with losing someone in the sinking. Yeah,
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people actually had tickets for another
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: ship and like got transferred to the Titanic too, which
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: is oh my god, crazy, oh my god, like everything
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: that had to happen for those people to be on
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: that boat at that moment, it is pretty emotional. Like,
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: obviously I'm a fan of the movie, you know, so
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: that makes you it's even weird to say you're a
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: fan of like the Titanic, but.
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean it's an interest.
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, And I don't know why. I think
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: probably because of the movie.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's obviously it's a fascinating historical topic.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: But think about you know that it's a very formative
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: moment in our lives, at least the age you know
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: that we were at when that movie came out. Of course,
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: you feel like kind of this you know, it's hard
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: to describe, but you have like this sort of innate
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: interest and you feel like you have this connection to
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: at the very least the film, you know, maybe to
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: just overall the Titanic.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: But and it was around the time that we were
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: born that they even finally found it. I'd kind of
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: forgotten that they didn't find it until I think it
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: was like eighty seven.
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, really I'm trying to eighty five. Okay, yeah,
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: I think to eighty five.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that was like, you know, right, like right
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: before we were born and then the movie, so it's
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: like a core, a core memory. Yeah. So they did
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: have a bunch of different quotes from Passengers as well.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: It was very There was a lot about the passengers
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: which I really appreciated, like a lot, Right, I feel
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: like that's important. I think so too, because yeah, they're
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: the ones who it happened to, you know, so.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: Right, I mean there's so much that is important to
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: discuss or learn about, and that like informs you about
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: the world and about this major event, right, that doesn't
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: necessarily directly connect you to the victim, right, Yes.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: But.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like the like that's all
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: well and good, but without that, it really just is
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: this sort of cold like it would be like going
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: to a deposition almost, Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: that just like puts it in perspective, I think a
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, it's the human experience aspect of it.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: It just feels like that's important.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm going to read you a couple quotes
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: they're a little heartbreaking because they are just two of
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: a ton that they had. This is from Ida Strauss.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: She was a first class passenger and IDAs Strauss. Ida Strauss,
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: is this like a famous person? Yeah, so let me.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: It sounded familiar when I said it.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: So she's like particularly significant. And this quote, I'm really
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: interested to hear what it is. It's being shared.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: So.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: IDAs Strauss was a first class passenger on the Titanic
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: who famously refused to abandon her husband is a door
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: co owner of Macy's. During the nineteen twelve sinking, she
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: gave her fur coat to her maid and chose to
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: die with her husband, embodying a story of devotion often
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: commemorated in Titanic history.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: I'm glad we did that quote. Probably the quote I'm
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: gonna rest, That's what I'm thinking. So she didn't make
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: it right now. I meant to look this up. So
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that you did. Yeah, thank you.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: There's two other like important spots here, Okay, so I won't.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Read the quote.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: But born in Germany in eighteen forty nine, she was
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: the wife of Isidore Strauss, a businessman and former congressman.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: They are memorialized at Strauss Park in Manhattan.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Oh oh my gosh.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: They were actually supposed to be in a scene in
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: the Titanic, but it's a deleted scene. I will have
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: to watch that, like they're yeah, they're of them or okay, yeah, interesting, so.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: A deleted scene, I know, right, we have to find it. Yeah, okay,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: So knowing that context, Yeah, this is why I was like,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go in reading this quote and I
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: like didn't even look it up because I suck it life,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: but it worked out. Yeah, okay, So knowing that context,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: her quote, we have lived together for many years where
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: you go, I go, which sounds like like the captain
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: like kind of like the same, like I'm going down
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: with the ship like I pretty much right. Yeah, So
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there are probably like different iterations of like
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: the quote, and maybe some are like a paraphrase versus
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: like an actual like quote.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Right because they survive. So it's kind of like hearsay,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: yeah that's what I'm thinking.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: But just the real quick Google surge, I did it
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: says when offered a seat in a lifeboat, i'da refuse,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: stating I will not be separated from my husband, as
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: we have lived together, so shall we die together?
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I know? Then I and then I chose the second quote,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: which kind of kind of goes along with it. This
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: is from another person, Charlotte Collier, who was the second
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: class passenger, and it says women and children first. Someone
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: was shouting these last few words over and over again.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: They met my own safety, but also meant the greatest
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: loss I've ever suffered, the life of my husband. So
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: it's like you kind of did have to choose, Like,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: and then this Ida chose to stay with her husband,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: so it's like you either choose your life or you know.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they are still depicted in the film. Okay,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: you remember that, Yes, the.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Old couple in bed hugging and cuddling.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: So they had a scene where it was like about
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: how she refused to leave. That was like, I don't know,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like I remember seeing a little bit more
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: of this couple than just the bed scene. But like,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: clearly there was something extended about these characters, these people
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: that was like cut from the final film.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Wow, it like makes watching the movie more sad because
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: the people were like actually based on real passengers, like
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: obviously Jack and Rose. We don't. We don't know, it
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: could have happened, but like right.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean ultimately, like this is about a
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: real event, even if like certain you know, characters or
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: like aspects of the event are like fictionalized, but like
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: knowing this specific person like that's wild.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Also, it's crazy how much the captain like looks like
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the fucking captain. It's so creepy. Ooh the captain. Yeah,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I took a picture of like his quote, whoa, yeah,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Like they're like the same fucking person. It's crazy. Wow.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: His quote was, I could not conceive of any vital
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: disaster happening to the specil. Modern shipbuilding has gone beyond that,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: which is very uh very haunting in high site, which
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: everyone thought that it was the unthinkable ship.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that was that was its whole thing. Hmm.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: So I was just curious because one of the things
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: that comes up about Ida stress is that she was
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: like her body was never recovered, right, And I was
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: like wow, like as a first class passenger, like obviously
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: her and her husband they were a little bit older,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: and they decided no, like we want to die together
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: if like, if that's what's on the table is death,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: like we're going to just stay together. I was just curious,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: like how many people were recovered, because every person that
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I've looked at it makes a note of like recovered
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: or it notably says not recovered. A total of three
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty seven bodies were recovered from the Titanic
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: disaster out of roughly fifteen hundred people who died.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not a lot where. I mean, they had
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a hard time even finding the ships. So I can imagine, Okay,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: so you want to hear a little I have some more,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: have a lot more. Yeah. There was a survivor named
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Dorothy Winnifred Gibson, and she started a movie that released
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: May twelfth, nineteen twelve, so literally less than a month after,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: and it's called Saved from the Titanic, And she was
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: wearing the literal same dress she wore during the sinking
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to like reenact this whoa. And I can't even imagine
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like how traumatizing that would be, Like you're not even
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: a month out. I mean that's when the dy released,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: so it was like literally right after.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I feel like for a lot of people, though, the
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: idea that you would be like traumatized, like it's not
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: that it didn't happen, but people just like they just
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: discounted it. They just discarded any you know, you just
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: stuff it down.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh so I can't I don't know, I can't
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: imagine doing that. But yeah, so that happened. It was
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: how there happened. The movie was successful, but not as
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: successful as Kate and Leo's version, well obviously unfortunately, but
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: probably because it was more I feel like it was
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: maybe more document documentary style. I'm not sure.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Actually, oh I could see that.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I obviously haven't watched it and I didn't look
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: up anything about it, so I don't. Yeah. So they
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: also had a sign up that was kind of dedicating
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: this exhibit in memory of pH Nargiale. He led the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: first recovery expedition to the Titanic in nineteen eighty seven,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: so that was the first time they went down. Wow,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: after they found it, so two years after they actually
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: found it, it's crazy. He went on to lead five
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: more recovery expeditions over the years, and many of the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: artifacts in this exhibit were actually recovered by the fifteen
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah. He held the record for thirty seven
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: submersible dives to the Titanic recksite, but on his thirty
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: eighth dive June eighteenth, twenty twenty three, Ocean Gates Titans
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: submersible imploded due to a structural issue, killing all five passengers. Yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: which I feel like this is something in the very
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: recent news that we all kind of knew about. Yeah,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I guess I didn't really realize who he was though.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was responsible for like all of
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: these artifacts being recovered. Yeah, because there was a lot
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: of nasty shit going around about that, and I'm not
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: going to get into that, but yeah, people have their
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings about it, which I think what you want.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: It's still sad people died, it is. The news story
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I watched though, was pretty interesting though, because it said
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: that the they had sensors that did detect the structural
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: issue about eight dives previously, so technically could have been avoided,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: which is very unfortunate.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I actually have looked into this. I have thought about
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: it and I and I might. I just haven't like
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: do anitted but deep dive.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, submersible. If you need to do a deep dive
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: on it, I will not be upset. Well, I'll be
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: upset yeah, but I do kind of want to know
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: more about it because I just watch like a little
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: news clip. Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: So, I mean the thing about the titan submersible, like
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: you kind of already said, it's like that was such
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: an avoidable tragedy, like at a criminal level in more
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: than one way.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: And the fact that the company was called Ocean Gate,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: it's got gate in the name. I mean, it just
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: feels like it was foreshadowing.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: That's kind of that kind of sucks. So at the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: end of the exhibit, there was a wall of local
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: stories related to the Titanic, so local as in the PNW,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: which I got so excited about because obviously, so at
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the beginning, I've been wanting to talk about the Titanic,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: but I'm like, how am I going to relate this
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: HI to the p and W? And then Amsy just
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: delivered me up this little platter and was like here
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, because I'm pretty sure it even googled,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: like is the PW related in any way? But like
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: it's so broad that you'd have to I feel like
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you'd have to know specific passengers or something. Yeah. So
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Herman Klaber forty one was one of the most prominent
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: hop dealers and growers in the United States. He was
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: known as the hop King HOPK, which is very PNWO
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of him. So PNW. Herman and his cousins started clayber
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Wolf and Netter that became one of the largest hop
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: enterprises in the world. Whoa wow. And they operated out
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of San Francisco, Portland, Tacoma. In London. Oh okay, well
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: there you go. He then founded Herman, claybur and Co.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: In Washington and Oregon and acquired a two hundred acre
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: hop branch in Lewis County, Washington only, and there he
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: established the community of clayb oh in nineteen oh six.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're still I assume they're sold.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Is this like the unincorporated communities?
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, or you know, it's possible the name changed.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah since then, you guys have to look it up
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: on your own. Yeah, episodes too long side quest. In
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: nineteen oh eight, Herman relocated his headquarters to Portland, where
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: he lived at the Highland Court Apartments, which I just googled.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: There are are still Highland Court Apartments. I'm not sure
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: if they're the same. Yeah, yeah, a little too much
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of a thread to pull at. But yeah, so that'd
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: be cool though if they're like still around, I.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Know, can you imagine, because there's a lot.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Of old like apartment buildings in their island. Oh, that's
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: so cool. He intentionally delayed his return home to experience
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the Titanic's made in voyage. Herman tragically perished in the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: sinking in his body was never recovered.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, because they recovered such a small percentage
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: of the.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Non survivors. Then we're going to talk about another couple,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the Warrens not ed and Lorraine. You guys, this is
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Frank and Anna. They were in their sixties. They were
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: prominent members of Portland's elite society. Let me drink my
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: wine with my pink. Oh oh, the lead and Anna
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to Frank and Anna, Pinky's out for Frank and Anna.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Frank founded Warren Packing Co, a canning and shipping enterprise
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that became one of the Pacific Northwest leading operations. They
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: booked passage on Titanic to return home after a luxurious
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: trip for their fortieth wedding anniversary. Oh my god, shut
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the fuck up. I know. On the night of April fourteenth,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: they were awoken in their first class cabin by a
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: sharp jolt, but Frank assured Anna that there was no
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: danger because the Titanic could not see. That's sound thinkable.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my gold.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: As we know that was not the case. Anna boarded
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the second lifeboat to launch. Frank, however, was not able
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: to board, and like many victims, his body was never recovered.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: No nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I know their fortieth
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: wedding anniversary. They're in their sixties.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's so sad.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. All right, do you want to move
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: on to maybe some more like funner things.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: To talk about, possibly only the funnest, more funner, because
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: this is getting sad and I I'm done. Okayeah, that's
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: just it's awful. It's awful because and I don't know
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: how historically accurate this is, because I haven't researched this recently,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: but like the fact that a lot of women boarded
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: those lifeboats and they were telling people, we're just doing
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: this as.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: A precaution, right they were to.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Heelp, that's my understanding again, and.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: You know, filling them up like the first one had
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: like what twenty seven out of but I think it
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: was like one hundred and sixty people could fit on
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the lifeboat and have like twenty seven people. That's so crazy.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: People were like, I don't want to get out.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Of the big boat, right, Yeah, but I mean that's
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: what happens when you're not truly aware.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Of like what the threat level is. Yeah, I wouldn't
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: trust it. Get me off this fucking.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Boat, seriously, but I mean grown up with hindsight, so well. Yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I mean you're getting on a smaller boat in the
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: middle of the ocean. I could understand some trees station. Yes,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I'm really curious. The Titanic was equipped with twenty lifeboats
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: with a total capacity of eleven hundred and seventy eight people.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: The fourteen standard wooden boats would hold sixty five people each, too,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: smaller cutters hold forty each, and four collapsibles hold forty
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: seven each.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: It's been a while since I have looked at the
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: stats on this, but it's rough. There are like, this
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: is clearly one of those things where it's like and
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: this is why there are safety regulations. Because the total
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: capacity of the lifeboats only accounted for about half of
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: the twenty two hundred people on board.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow. And the fact that they weren't even filling
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: them up. Nope. To begin with, it's crazy.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: While they could hold eleven hundred and seventy eight people,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: only seven hundred twelve people were saved, meaning four hundred
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and seventy two spots went unused.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: The total capacity of eleven seventy eight was actually thirty
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: nine percent higher than the regulations required at the time.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: What so this was them actually doing more?
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Wow. I didn't know that part. I didn't either. Why
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: would it just be a like duh, we should have
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: a seat for every person on board, right. I Also,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the amount.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Of crew that like passed away was so sad. Yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: that's insane. They may have had like a higher capacity
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: than was required at the time, but they did not
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: make good use of it. Like, and I think suffice
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: to say, like, I think we all understand that clearly
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: mistakes were made, but like, yeah, it just makes no sense.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: It's just so upsetting. Okay, Like I said, let's get
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: into some other things. Okay, So since this is a
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: paranormal podcast, I have something else to share with you. Ah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And this is kind of spooky because if I had
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: written this episode when I was supposed to like the
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: week prior, I might not have seen this.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Really so and that fascination really close to the anniversary, I.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, procrastination works out just that way. What are
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: you gonna do?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes just happens, Lloyd, it's both say it so.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: April fourteenth, twenty twenty six, on the one hundred and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: fourteenth anniversary of the Titanic sinking, a storm Chicago heavy
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: rain caused the Titanic exhibit at the Volo Museum to flood.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up. Isn't that crazy?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I what?
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: So it's like I'm laughing because it's it's just that crazy,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: so eerie. This is a quote from Jim, the marketing
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: director of the museum. Okay, the irony of any Titanic
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: exhibit flooding is strange enough, but the fact that ours
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: flooded on the exact anniversary of the Titanic sinking is
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: more ironic. It's almost paranormal, they even think. But that's
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: a little too. And the interesting thing is this is
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: not the only time it's flooded. E squeeze me. It
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: flooded on their opening year as well, Oh my gosh,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and previously no other record of the building flooding at
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: all only these two times.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm starting to think like maybe, you know.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Like maybe the building's getting old.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe that's sure, let's go with that.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: But on the opening year and the one hundred and
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: fourteenth anniversary, I don't know, Man, it's weird. I know, man,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: museum staff was able to protect the priceless artifacts though,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: so nothing was damaged in the flood, which is great
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: because there's like cars in there, really old cars and
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: just a bunch of things. Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I would just think that, like it would be the
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: kind of like flooding, not like a tsunami level flood.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: It would just be like, oh no, we've got six
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: inches yeah yeah, yeah, get.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: The newspapers down. We gotta absorb that.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, kitty litters.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Somethink the exhibit could be haunted. Apparently quite a few
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: of the visitors have reported paranormal experiences, and they've caught
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: some unexplainable happenings on security cameras. I honestly think it's
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: very likely that you have these artifacts from this tragedy
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: right that there could be something paranormal happening there.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: It feels fair to suggest that maybe there's some energy
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that's lingering.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Lurking and lingering around. Yeah no, I mean not to
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: say that they're delicious and like causing a flood or
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: something like that. But I don't maybe they don't realize.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe they don't. Maybe they don't.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: It's just like stored or what is that like residual
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: energy type thing?
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Who's so key? So Ghost Adventures did an episode there
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: which is like one of my favorite episodes, obviously because
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: it's of the of the Titanic Museum. It was a
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: really cool episode. I won't go into it, you'll just
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: have to go find it. But I was I was
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: rewatching like their rewatch of it, maybe like a screaming room.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I just like quickly watched that to just like refresh
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: my memory of it. And Zach said that he has
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the Captain's mirror in his Haunted Museum, which I remember.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw that when I was there in
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: faa he and apparently he shows his face in it
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: from time to time. I did not witness this.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know how I feel about that.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I think I was pretty enamored with it though, because
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I think that's the first artifact i'd ever seen of
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the Titanic because I'd never been to an exhibit before anything.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: So I was like staring at it, like, come on, captain,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: come on, show me your face.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Or don't because that's cool too. What But I'd be
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: really interested to like hear stories from the staff at
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the museum or even at Amsy. I wonder if Amsy's
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: experiencing anything. Yeah, with all the artifacts around. Uh So
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a little bit about some
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: of my favorite things that I saw there. Yeah, they
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: have an iceberg that you can touch. What girl, it's
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: real cold? Yeah, I think barely. I could barely keep
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: my hands on it. But it was cool. It was
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: really cool because it is for kids too, and yeah,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: it's really cool to see like all the little kids like, well,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: it's ice so like it kills all the jar I'm sorry,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It was really cold ice. Yeah, yeah,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you. And I really liked things that really
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: showed like the water damage. So there was this crazy
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: one that was there was soap in a soap holder
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and the soap is like still intact, but it looks
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: like evil soap you know that has been.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just back, it does but it was underwater.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: But it was crazy that it didn't just like totally
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: dissolve the way you know, right, So stuff like that
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: was really interesting to me. That is how crazy. They
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: had this like a partial back of the chair. That's
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: so weird, Like I wonder if people use that to
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: like float on, you know, maybe or tried, I don't know.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: They also had coal from underwater coal. Isn't it crazy? What?
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: And they actually recovered a bunch of coal from the
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Titanic and they were selling pieces of it in the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: gift shop. Shut up, Yes, you can't hold it. They're
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: like in in things. They're tiny pieces. It's like a specimen. Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: So and these things were expensive. They were like out
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: of my price price range, my price range. And I
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: was going around and I was like, man, I really
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: just wanted I wanted something from the gift shop. Yeah,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: but I was like, I don't know, it has to
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: be like the perfect thing. And then once I saw
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the coal that was like literally a piece of the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Titanic that they brought up from under the water, Like
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: that's crazy to me. Why aren't people like buying the
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: shut up?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: So I was looking around, I was like, man, it's
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: got in my price range. And then I found something
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: that was in my price range shut up, and I
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like legit cried. I was like, Okay, I can do this.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: So I have a piece of coal from the Titanic.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And it's really cute. It's in like a little steering wheel,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: a little ship steering wheel. Oh my god. And it
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: comes with an authentic a certificate of authentic stations. Huh.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: It comes with a certificate of authenticity, is what I'm
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: trying to say. It says coal use in this product
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: was recovered during the nineteen ninety four Titanic Research and
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Recovery Expedition. Wow, it's real, Like this came from I
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: can't even like, I still can't.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: That's so cool.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I own a piece of the Titanic. I could be haunted,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you guys, Well, I mean I kind of hope not.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of energy is in this
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: little tiny piece of coal. Yeah, that's true. All those
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: poor crew members that were down there shoveling the coal, Like,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like most of those ones did not make it.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, I don't think so. So we're almost done here.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I just want to say, please go support AMSI if
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: you can, if you have any interest in the Titanic,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: it's totally worth it. Okay.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Cool, So you can just like finish up with like
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: the terror reading on your own, right, because like, actually
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I need to get.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah, I actually already have a card,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: so we don't even need to bowl one. I just
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I just have a thing.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: So it's like down at the waterfront.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get out here. Wow. I had this idea while
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I was going through my pictures. I came across a
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: playing card that they found shut up, and I just
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: had this Queen of Spade. It's Queen of clubs, clubs and.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I can't really my contacts really blurry right now.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: That equates to the Queen of Wands in tarot oh.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I felt like maybe that's the card we should read
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: for this, because they had the one playing card in
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: the I don't know if they found more, but that's
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: only when they had in the exhibit exhibit.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, our keywords are creativity, passion, prosperity, fruitfulness, and generosity.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Like the King, the Queen of Wands is often pictured
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: seated on a throne wearing an elegant robe and a crown.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: She's usually a beautiful, mature woman who epitomizes feminine authority, confidence, warmth,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: and enthusiasm.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like that is the Titanic A.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Little bit right interesting You should say that in a reading.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: The Queen may signify an actual person. When she does,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: it's someone who's active, vibrant, and outgoing, perhaps a woman
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: with a creative nature. Wow, this is really interesting. Okay, Okay.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: A fortunate card the upright Queen gives you a.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Thumbs up.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: If this card signifies a real person. She's a figure
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: who commands respect whether she's in the boardroom or the home.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: A wise advisor.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: She is also a loyal friend, a loving partner, a
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: trustworthy authority.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's how everyone viewed this and the
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: people who are who built the ship and who are
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: running it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like this is ida. Oh, because listen
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: to this. She has a nurturing, colorful, and generous nature.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: She's confident in her abilities and encourages others to do
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: their best. Like the King, she may play a prominent
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: role in a business or her community. Yeah, I just
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: feel like it. You know, it says like a loving partner,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: loyal friend, and.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, oh something about that.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: It just feels like she literally gave this like fur
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: coat to you know, one of her maids and put
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: her on the lifeboat and was like, get the actual
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: fuck out of here.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: That's so sweet, I know.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: In a question about money, the Queen says, do what
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: you love, the money will follow. You may receive money
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: from a creative venture or prosper through partnership or other alliance.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Interesting if you asked about a job matter, The Upright
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Queen shows a period of fulfillment when a project bears
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: fruit and you're happy with the outcome. This is also
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: a good time to birth or expand a venture.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Oh go on a maiden voyage might not be such
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: a good time. I'm wondering. I'm curious what like The
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: reverse says too, Yeah, we don't know how they found
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: the card should thank.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: One sentence for the other for the final bullet, which
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: is always about like love and relationships. In a reading
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: about a relationship, she shows a passionate romance between loyal,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: loving partners.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Oh that could be the Strausses, that could be the Warrens,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: that could be Jack and Rose.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: M Okay, so there's an extra excerpt In this too,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: the Queen of Wan's represents a vital, passionate, and aggressive
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: female who wants to help other people.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Through her efforts.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Oh though she appears to be fighting those who cross
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: her path, she is a true champion of those she supports.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: That reminds me of like Margaret Brown, the Unthinkable, Molly
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Brown or whatever, who was like a real person. They
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: had a bunch of posters about her too, But she
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: was like that, and she like even took over the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: lifeboat that she was on because the the person who
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: was running it was acting a moron, an idiot. I
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: don't know what here was a man in the nineteen twelve.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like in the movie he wanted to like
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: go back and save people, but they were afraid that
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: they were going to like sink. Yeah, I don't know
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: if she like took it over and did she helped
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: people though she like took over their lifeboat.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like I remember exactly. I think that was
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the situation is they didn't they weren't. They were all
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: debating sort of whether or not they should go back
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: and help try to rescue people from the water, and
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: they were like, if they rushed the boat, we could
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: all end up being capsized, which is you know, it's
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: a very like practical fear.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Or you have room and there's all those people dying
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you already have four hundred and seventy two
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: spots on the boats that weren't filled at all, So
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: there's that.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so that's interesting. I didn't really talk about
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: her because there was so much to talk about, but.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is interesting because the reverse is when
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: the Queen of Wands is reversed. She can mean a
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: situation won't come to fruition as fast as you'd hoped,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: or your satisfaction will be limited, your enthusiasm may flag,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: or you just don't feel inspired. If she's a real person,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: she's a powerful, emotional woman who demands respect and absolute loyalty.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: She can be jealous and manipulative, both in love and
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: in business. Don't cross her. This is the drama Queen
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: car Oh shit. So I think if the upright is Ida,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: the reverse is actually the physical ship. I think in
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: a reading about money, the reverse Queen warns you to
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: be careful with investments or business spending, particularly in joint ventures.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: If you've asked about a job related issue, she may
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: indicate deception or power struggles. Watch your back. A co
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: worker may not be trustworthy.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: No, are not? Or this could be the titan submerciabule.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Well there's that.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: In a relationship reading, she may suggest emotional upsets, infidelity,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: or a cooling of affection.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Cooling like if you hit an iceberg. Yeah, is that it? Yeah?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I mean wanted more.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I know I'm disappointed. No, not, that was a good card, though,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I felt like mm hmm yeah. Yeah, Well I can
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: tell you about one more funny thing that I didn't add,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: but I wrote it down just in case we needed
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: some more to talk about.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, are you gonna pull another card? No, I was
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: going to see what the card is for a point
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: of ones, because we may as well still show this
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: card too.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, oh, that is a good idea. Okay, Oh,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: it's a black cat, two different colored eyes, one.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Of them's blue. Yeah, like the O ships. It's just
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: really short and stupid.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: But it like caught my funny bone a little bit,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: so they kept They kept talking about rusticles. Rusticles which
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: are selactite like structures that are formed when iron lovy
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: bacteria attack the steel so it's like those those like
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: ice icicles. I think you there are icicles of rust.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Basically that's so crazy, and they are they will eventually
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: destroy the ship. Yeah, so it won't always be there,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: which is like right, kind of like why you should
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: go to these exhibits and like see because they do
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: show like underwater footage of it and pictures and things,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: because it won't always be there. Yeah, But they kept
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: they kept talking about the rusticals. And then there's this
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: one part that it said the phrase rustical analysis. And
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I couldnot stop saying a rustical analysis, rustical analysis. That
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: is crazy. So I will forever be saying rustical analysis.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I love that, so big, y'all. Okay, I don't know
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: some of the like some of the imagery that this
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: evokes for me. I mean, I realize it's a cat.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: It's not like an aquatic thing. But I think you'll
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Okay, you'll see, Okay, action tempered by insight,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: connection to one's true self, vivacity and intuition, confidence, vanity, haughtiness,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: a witch. Some towns have a nightmare. This one has
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: a night queen. By day, you might not even notice her.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: A black shape lounging on the porch of an old craftsman,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: A sleek shadow avoid.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: In Iceberg, in the middle of the ocean at night,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: she comes alive, melding with pools of darkness as she
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: moves liquidly through her realm. Whoa.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Her element is night, and she is in her element.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: She has an image to uphold, and she makes a
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: show of it as she struts along an avenue. Her
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: subjects respect her and fear her. They flee or freeze
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: in obeisance before her WHOA. On these occasions, when she
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: deigns to let them hear her coming, they know their
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: lives are in her claws.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Iceberg right ahead.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: She is by turns, powerful and ethereal, crafty and mischievous, women,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: musical and wicked. She acts and her will manifests. Damn, dude,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: that's kind of creepy.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I got Iceberg vibes.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really pretty card. I think this is
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: fox gloves.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, pretty. I love how it just a cat.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: It doesn't even say kind of cat. Yeah it is.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: It's fox glove. Yeah, which is deadly as hey. It's interesting.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: It talked about the night time too, because I mean
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: obviously it happened at night.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, that's what I was kind of thinking too.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Oh man, that's crazy. Well did you guys like that episode?
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Have you gone to AMSI Jimny Hauntings? Do you have
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: a piece of coal from the Titanic? Let us know
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: it's a flower. By the way, it's not that we
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: didn't steal gloves from a fox who is cold.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, f yi, unconscionable. They also call it ladies glove
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: or rusty fox.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Glove, rustical analysis.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Digitalis It's like there's all these different classifications of it
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: and they're all digitalists d D. Yeah, it's interesting, like
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: digits like your fingers. Yeah, yeah, kind of. There's one
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: named pantaloons. I feel like I just want to go
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: down like a really strange rabbit hole.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like one of my favorite words too, really honestly.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Like the other thing that kind of struck me is
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: like the picture on the on the card from the
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: PNW deck, Like they're reddish looking fox gloves, which makes.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Me think of a rustical a rustical Yeah.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Analysis, restical analysis.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I will never stop. Digitalis the probable analysis, digitalis banaloon.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like some words just get stuck in your
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: head and yeah, you just have to say them.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: And fully, we just made our own, Like I feel
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: like that's pretty much what they did for all of
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: like the Harry Potter spells, you know what I mean.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: It was just like make up something vaguely Latin sounding.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: It all sound like vagina parts. Yeah, pretty much. All right,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Well let's think.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, otherwise I'll pee my pants and we can do
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: together because we were together Together's see if we still.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Got it a creepy day. We'll see you next Thursday.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Rostacle analysis