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32. A TV Presenter’s Approach To Staying Calm and Grounded Before You Speak, with Lynn Jinks · She Speaks to Scale

• Sarah Collins: Hello and welcome to She Speaks the Scale with me, Sarah Collins. the podcast that empowers women in business to own their voice, be heard and create impact, one communication insight at a time. a former senior television producer for ITV and ITN. It's my mission to bring the communication skills we need to thrive in today's world of business to the generation of women who simply weren't taught them. Whether it's scaling your authority and stepping into thought leadership, scaling your impact on camera on stage and beyond, or scaling your revenue through speaking opportunities, this podcast will help you use your voice to be heard so you're trusted and remembered when it matters most. Lynn Jinx is a mindset and energy coach, a qualified crystal healer and founder of the Soul membership. She has spent over two decades supporting women to step into clarity, confidence and aligned living. She blends grounded spiritual wisdom with practical mindset and energy tools that help individuals reconnect with their true selves, shift limiting beliefs and transform overwhelm into calm, connected and focused. Whether through one-to-one crystal healing, online energy reset sessions or keynote talks Lynne offers soulful support that is both actionable and deeply healing. Lynn had a successful career as an actress and presenter before starting her business and regularly speaks at events such as the Happy Place. Let's dive into the conversation. Hello, Lin. Thank you so much for joining me today. Lynn Jinks: It is a joy to be with you today. It really is. Thank you for inviting me on, Sarah. Sarah Collins: And if anyone's listening to this on a podcast, you're looking beautiful in pink today. Lynn Jinks: arrived in the energy I wanted to bring to you and to all the viewers. Sarah Collins: Fantastic, I can feel the energy. It's gonna be a good conversation, I can tell already. So, Lyn, I begin every guest episode by asking, can you share the moment when you realized your voice truly mattered? Lynn Jinks: When I realised that it was my voice that was speaking and not seeking someone else's external approval was when I thought, this is no longer right for me. This doesn't feel right for me anymore and I'm allowed to choose something different. And I handed in my notice at my TV job on the back of that. And that was when I was like, I can speak up. I can say this is not okay. I don't want to do this anymore and I'm going to find something else and to trust that it wasn't just a thought, but I could actually say it out loud. Sarah Collins: What I'd like about what you said there is giving yourself that permission, because I talk about that as well. And I think that's so important, isn't it? There was obviously lots of things that led to that point. Was there a particular turning point, did you feel, that led to that decision? Lynn Jinks: think for me what had happened is I hadn't recognized who I was becoming, who I was turning into. The way I was speaking, the way I was showing up, the way I was approaching situations, my mindset, who I had become wasn't the person that I was. So I would almost, I'd become somebody that was quite angry and frustrated and I didn't feel like my voice was being heard. I felt like I couldn't do what I wanted to do when I wasn't living in, and we say alignment, but what I mean by that was nothing felt like it was aligned into what felt right. And at that time, I didn't know much about what we're going to talk about today and energy. I hadn't really put that into perspective as such. I just knew that it didn't feel right. And if I kept going, I was going to become somebody that I wasn't going to like. And if I didn't like me, then other people weren't going to like me. And half the part of being on TV or being in front of people or being just a person is to be a nice person. And I felt like I just was. blaming everybody for my anger really and my frustrations. So I think that really. Sarah Collins: I'm sorry you felt that way. if we rewind a little bit, what was that TV career? What did that look like? Lynn Jinks: So I'd originally trained to be an actress there. That was my big dream, at school. And I'd set up a women's theatre company, which is still going now actually called Open Clasp Theatre Company. And it was all about women and young people and young women and putting their stories on stage. So I'd always, you know, been a performer. And then I'd moved into a different theatre company. And on the back of that, got an audition to go and do a TV shopping channel. Now, obviously that... I was like, I'm an actress, I don't sell. But actually we sell every day, don't we? We sell ourselves all the time in how we show up and who we are and what we're talking about. I mean, even if you think about your favourite Netflix programme you're watching, if you love it, you can't help but sell it to your best friend, can you? So it's all what we're about. And I moved into this wonderful world of shopping TV and it is a... a world, could have its own sitcom, really, it's a book written about it because you enter into a whole completely different space and world. And it began with selling lots of different things. And then it moved into selling jewelry and gemstones. And I sat there for over 20 years selling jewelry and gemstones on a TV channel. like you say, at the start, I absolutely loved it. I loved the values of the company. It was a family based company. been set up to change the way that jewelry was made, bought and sold. We were sent to London to train, became an accredited jewelry professional. I went over to Thailand to see how the gemstones came out the ground, went to Morocco, you know, so it was a real kind of immersive experience at the start. And that's what I did. And that's how I worked and for 20 years of my life spent talking on TV. Sarah Collins: That's incredible. I didn't realize you'd had any of those experiences or it hadn't even crossed my mind that perhaps working in that area of TV, you would have those opportunities. So that's such an eye-opener. I mean, it must have been a really, really fantastic time. And I love how there's obviously that alignment then with what you did then and what you do now. What was the key kind of turning point then in terms of making that transition and now having your own business. Lynn Jinks: So when I was on the channel and we would do training days and we would all come together as presenters and there would be, somebody leading the training and they'd always say, right, look at Lynn. She goes on TV, she smiles and she doesn't stop smiling for four hours. the cheeks would ache and it was never a fake smile. It was always a genuine smile because when you smile, when you talk, it comes across differently. So, you know, even though I was on the telly and there was camera, Even if people are listening to this now, if I was speaking without smiling, it would certainly sound different. So I always smiled. And then it was always about how did I want the person to feel? know, when they were on television and they would always say, listen to the words that she says, look how she invites you into her life. She's your friend in the living room. And that part of the, the kind of performance side, I suppose, or the, the being I just used to light me up so much. and I loved that part of it. wasn't just about what I was selling, it was what I was doing, what I was bringing. And there were lots of people that watched Shopping Channel, and maybe there still are in this world, maybe it's just watched differently, that could be quite lonely. And you were their source of friendship, really, through that screen. And I loved all that part, but I just didn't realize that's what I was doing. And when that started to shift and change and how my energy was changing, how that kind of morphed into being... trying to pull it up, when you get up in the morning and you're trying to go into work or you're going to work with people you don't like or feel drained around, it feels much harder. It feels much more difficult to pull that positive energy forward. And it does come across, it comes across in the way you walk, the way you stand, the way you talk. And that really led into the work that I do now, because I look back at that and thought, how did I do that? and even in my darkest times, working on TV for my own personal reasons. How did I still show up with that positivity, with that mindset, with that energy, pre-leaving to bring that to the viewers, really? Sarah Collins: I know from your notes that you've been through a lot personally kind of during that time and yeah, you're right, four hours on screen, having to speak in a particular way, come across in a particular way, that is absolutely exhausting. It really is. How did you manage to do that day in, day out? Lynn Jinks: So we worked on a seven day fortnight at the channel and it was all about how you could have to look after your voice, how you prepared for it. And I do think a lot of the acting training really was very, very helpful for that in just performance in how you use your voice and how you breathe and speak and drink and take water. And I used to do it in like 15 minute blocks because obviously in four hours you don't want to drink too much water because there's not so many breaks you can be having. Quick break run. It was all about how we manage that four hour session in my mind and how I was like, well, this is the 15 minute session. This is another 15 minutes and then we'll go into this. And I always felt like I was taking people on a journey, but obviously with life, people can't sit there and watch for four hours. would, but in general you're dipping in and out, aren't you? So it's always about every 15 minutes almost resetting so that somebody else could have just tuned in or just switched over. So instead of seeing it like as an hour it was like, well, if you do it in 15 minute blocks, then whoever's arriving is arriving with your fresh energy every time. So every 15 minutes, you know, begin again almost. Sarah Collins: That's really interesting. go about doing that reset? Lynn Jinks: So when you are talking and when you are listening to your own energy, and I'll often say to people now, try and check in with yourself four times a day. But for me, when I was working, it was try and check in with yourself every half an hour, because there would be some interludes, you like the channel would put on a promotional VT, we called it a VT, so it's like a videotape roll, whether it the advertising of something. So you get a moment and I would just sit and close my eyes. And I would just say to the person in my ear, there'll be a producer or director, I'm just going to take a breath. And I would just think, am I up here? Am I like, how's my body language looking? Do I need a drink? What do I need? What do I need? Not what does the TV company need or what do the targets or what does anyone else need? What do I need right now? And that, has really helped understand now how I teach it with other people moving forward because we forget to check in with ourselves. And that's how I used to check in on the channel, albeit briefly, and just take that breath, calm yourself down. Start again, put the feet on the ground and breathe. And then we go again. Sarah Collins: that's such an important reminder because we're so busy aren't we in the doing and the life that gets in the way and actually just sitting there and thinking you know what do I need is so important and I think especially when you've got something quite big coming up you know it might be something perhaps out of your comfort zone just thinking about how am I feeling about this is so important isn't it. Lynn Jinks: Absolutely and making it relevant to anyone. We talk all the time, every day you communicate, you're communicating with everyone and everything. And I think sometimes we just do it and we go through the motions without realizing our words, how we're phrasing things. I always think, share the airtime used to be the question, how much have you been talking and how much have you been listening? Sarah Collins: Yeah. Lynn Jinks: And at what point are, we listening to something but waiting for a space so that we can then tell our story? Or are we relating still back to them? How do we move a conversation on? And I remember when I was an actress, we did a whole campaign BT Talk Works, it was called, and it was about speaking and listening. And we used to, do a show for children in their schools. And it was really important. And I remember learning so much about body language and eye contact and the tone of your voice and how sometimes we can feed off other people's energy. So if I had somebody quite stressful in my year at work, maybe For those of us that don't know, you have an earpiece when you're a presenter on screen and there's a person that talks to you, Sarah knows this very well. And if they're quite stressed or they're quite anxious because maybe something's going on in their own life or they're getting a text message because they can have their phones with them or they're getting an email, that level of panic and stress starts to come out in their voice, which then comes into your ear, which then starts to come out of your voice. And this is the same with managers at work or with people and colleagues you're working with. Notice, is this your stress or is it their stress? Are you coming from your space or are you coming and feeding from theirs because they're manic or they're talking and they're fast and you answer and you match them? And that's why I think that check-in is just really important for communication wherever we are and whoever we are because that's what's mine and what is theirs. And it's that remembering that your voice matters to you. It's what you want to say and how you want to say it. So it's even the same when people get heated or arguments, it's trying to just hold your space and your voice and what's true and authentic to you, really. that's something that I've really, really learned with different parts of the job. And even when we had guests on as well, so we'd have guest speakers and they'd be really nervous, because it was a new thing for them. So part of my job was not only to help them feel at ease. but also in my ear going, but we do need to sell then. So it was like this balance of how do we get the best out of the guest, but yet still do what's required of you. And it's that learning that, and I loved it, Sarah, I genuinely loved it. And it was only when I started to unlove it that I had to go, well, I have to make a decision to change now. And I think for all of us, we live in the past quite a lot, the old colleagues, the fun times when a business was what it was. And we don't move or leave because we still have those memories that are keeping us there. Whereas when we stop and look at the place that we're in now, are we still meant to be there? Is this still right for us? Not the money and the wage but are we still getting out of this what we wanted? And that's a hard question to ask because your intuition will answer you and you've got to be prepared for that answer. Sarah Collins: that's fascinating. I was so into what you were saying then. I've got no idea what my next question is. You really reeled me in then. you spoke there about non-verbal communication and learning about speaking skills. just think everybody needs to learn these skills because they're so important when it comes to just building relationships and speaking to other people. So all that training obviously has come in so handy hasn't it for what you're doing now and I loved when I was looking at what you do that you help people become really calm and have that purpose and that clarity with what they want to do now tell me a little bit more about what does that business look like for you now? and how do you help people on that transformation? Lynn Jinks: So I love speaking, Sarah. Some would say I like the sound of my own voice. I just go with I like speaking. And I've always really enjoyed reading a room and feeling the energy of people. And I suppose that's why I loved acting at the time. But now I can just stand as Lynn Jinx. I can just be me and come from that space. And how do I help others sort of move into their truth and move into who they are? So most importantly, we can't make decisions a lot of the time because we don't know what our values are anymore. Values is a really good place to start with mindset, energy work, in fact, any work, communication, everything. Because when you've got your values, you can then start to make decisions based upon them. And when I first worked with people, I look at values. And when I first started to do this work after I'd left, I couldn't tell you what my values were. I thought I knew what my values were. And a great example was truthfulness. Really important to me, really important to have that truthfulness. So I looked at that value, I looked where I was aligning and then I looked where I was leaking. And for any of you that may or may not have done this, I would go to meet a friend, maybe set off too late, text, call and send him, sorry, the traffic's really bad, I'll be there as soon as possible. Now actually the traffic wasn't late, I'd left too late, not anticipated the journey time, thought they'd think I was a bad friend for not giving enough time, so I'd come up with an excuse or a lie. to them to make them feel better. So actually instead of just being truthful, I created some random lie. So, I'm sure we've all done this and I don't mean the little fun lies. mean, the ones where why choose that? Why did I choose that rather than the truth? And it wasn't like the lies better. In fact, the friend would rather the truth, but it's that where I was not aligning to that value. So is the value wrong or do I just need to start aligning more? And it was the value was right. needed to align more. So I always start with your values and that's how you'll start to make decisions. Do I still value, you know, if it's growth and you're at a company where you're not doing any growth or you're not going on any training or you're not learning and yet growth is a value of yours. Well, of course you're going to start to feel frustrated. How does that show up for you? How does that present itself? Is it extra cleaning at home? Is it walking through the door in a bad mood? Is it setting the alarm and then, three times snoozing it because you just know you don't want to get up. So we talk about values, then we talk about what brings you joy. Now this is a really complex one because if you'd have asked me, and I was asked, what brings you joy, Lynne? And I couldn't answer the question. I literally was so lost and not sure of anything anymore. I didn't know. So I started with one. and I really dug deep and it's not just about, it's about spending time with family. That's not, it had to be really specific. And that helps you to communicate with yourself and speak Sarah Collins: Mm-hmm. Lynn Jinks: it. I enjoy this, these are my values. And that's when we start to talk about what matters to us. We have more meaningful conversations, we have deeper conversations, we know where to go because we go to the places that bring us joy. Then you communicate better with those people because they're people who have the same likes and interests as you. So I bring in that into our work. So yes, your business is part of what I work with, but it's about you. You are everything. You are the heartbeat, the energy to being a mum, a friend, a loved one, and the other one's purpose. And I thought my purpose was to be a mum. Sarah Collins: Mm. Lynn Jinks: And if I wasn't going to be a mum, then what was my purpose? Because surely that is the purpose. And through my journey and what I've been through, I now realize that being a mum is not your purpose. My purpose is to create authentic connections. I'm divine soul gifts of love and healing, and I love divine order. So no matter what I do, as long as I stand up in front of you with my authentic connection, I benefit and you benefit. Now that could be acting, it could be selling on TV, it could be working with you on your business. I now know what I speak about because I now know me. Me now, I'm meeting me now, not me at 30. Like Sarah, I did a coloring book the other day. I colored. Now, I'm not sure 30-year-old me would like 15-year-old me, but she'd be proud of the fact that I can say it. But that's what I think about speaking your truth is actually saying out loud, who am I? What do I want? What are my needs? What do I want? Because when your cup is full, when your air is full, and when your light is bright, you can sit next to others and help them find theirs. Because this isn't about fixing it or doing it for them. It's being that person that they can talk to and be with that they can find out this. And that's the work that I love. And it doesn't matter what I've done, that's always been woven into it. Somehow I just didn't realize it at the time. And now I can, and I can communicate it well and I can speak about it well. It means I can show up anywhere now because this me, Lin Jinx now knows, and that's so powerful and it feels so safe. I feel so safe inside. that I'm not seeking it externally from somebody Sarah Collins: Mm. Lynn Jinks: else, somebody else's permission, somebody else to tell me I'm making the right decision, someone else to tell me that what I say matters, because I know and I genuinely know and that's the work that I do with women's, that they also have that quiet confidence. It's not shouting about it, it's just a knowing. It's like that the sun's gonna set and rise. It's the same kind of knowing when you come home to yourself. Sarah Collins: Hmm, you just, that was a beautiful answer, Lynne, honestly. And I, it almost makes me feel a bit emotional because I feel like that's the journey I've been on as well for the last couple of years. and I know so many people are gonna resonate with this, leaving the corporate world, leaving your old identity, your past identity, and actually finding that new identity. So who are you? What are your likes and dislikes? They're basic things, aren't they, that fall by the wayside somewhere along life. And Lynn Jinks: Yeah. Sarah Collins: I see it in the women that I speak to as well, when they say, don't know what to talk about. I just want everyone to find that purpose Lynn Jinks: Mm. Sarah Collins: and to find that thing that they can then share with others, because it's such a beautiful journey, isn't it? with your work that you do now, I talk a lot about that energy that a person brings before they do a podcast interview, before they walk on stage. What does that look like? So if you could speak to someone five minutes before their due on stage or they're setting up to go live on a podcast, what would that shift in energy look like that you would say to them? Lynn Jinks: I just literally did it with a client today and we were talking about exactly what you've just said, which is just so apt that you've asked me this, but then it's all about divine timing, Sarah. So the first thing I always say is awareness. Be aware of your own self, not anyone else, but your own self. So how is your energy feeling right now? And you ask that question, are you nervous? Are you excited? Are you frightened? Are you scared? Name it, say it. Because a lot of the time when you say something out loud, can't do anything then because you've given it somewhere to go. So you're saying, I'm feeling frightened or I'm feeling anxious or I'm feeling nervous. And then I say, well, what's affecting your energy right now? What room are you in and who are you around? Do you need to go and be on your own for a minute or do you actually need to go and be with people? Because some of us radiate off others. We need their radiation. We need their calm or we need their peace. me. And others of us just need to stand in a moment and just be. And then it's like, what do I need to do? Do I need to stamp and ground? Do I need to take some water? just that awareness of their energy. And then it's always the question, how do you want people to feel after you've been speaking to them? And name it, do want them to feel calm? Do you want them to feel motivated? Do you want them to feel happy? Do you want them to feel thoughtful? how do you want them to feel? And once you've got that in your mind, you can then show up and be in that energy. So be in the energy of teacher or motherly carer or be in the energy of whatever it is that you're showing up with. today, your energy will be, kind and supportive because you're wanting me to feel safe so that I can respond to the questions without feeling like I need to be guarded or caught out or... So you're being really, nice and nurturing with the way that you're speaking to me. And that is how you can always ask yourself the question, what do I want people to go away and say about me after this conversation? what are they saying in the closed rooms about you? And that again, is all about protecting your energy because some people are very good at giving you their opinions when you've not asked. And a phrase my sister and I say to each other now since my mum passed a couple of years ago, which we've learned now is, do you want my advice or do you want me to just listen? Sarah Collins: I love that one. Lynn Jinks: because especially in friendships and even in work colleague situations, when you become, we call it work wives and work husbands, don't we? Do you want my advice? Because when we know someone so well, we know what they need, but actually maybe they just need to tell you and feel safe enough to communicate that without you turning around going, well, you know what you need to do and why don't you just, and what about this? So that phrase is when you, before you're coming on somewhere, are you looking for someone's advice here or are you just going to start to trust your own? But it's all for me, it's all about the feelings. And that's why I work with people's energy because a lot of the time we can have feelings that have been repressed or blocked, fear, judgment, old repressed energy that we've got in there that we start to upon ourselves. And that can kind of rear its head before something. So it's always about going, right, okay, this is how I want to show up. This is what I want people to think when I'm gone and I'm going to just do whatever I'm going to say will land right. And you can't control how people receive your message. You can only control how you're going to say it because you don't know where people are in their lives and what they're, I call it the sunburn feel, like what they're going through. So you can only come from your place of truth, which goes back to your values, goes back to your joy, it goes back to that energy. So just be mindful of who you're around pre-going somewhere, pre-doing something. You if a phone call comes in or a text, call me. And you think, that's made me anxious. Just park Sarah Collins: you Lynn Jinks: it. If you can park it, park it. Breathe, not right now, I'm present, I'm going here. So that would be my words of advice, if you want my advice rather than me to just listen. Sarah Collins: I do want your advice, Lynne, and that was brilliant advice. You're talking my language there when you say about how do you want someone to feel, because I think immediately that takes the pressure off that person and it puts it onto the people listening, which is such an important thing to do when you're a speaker. It really is. you say in the work that you do, you work with someone from the inside out. What does that look like? Lynn Jinks: So the way that I work now, so it's a lot of online work, but I have just been at the Happy Place Festival and with Faye and Cotton, and we did a huge meditation where I talked about your energy, what it looks like, what it is, and then did some work with crystal. So there's lots of little pockets to what I do, but predominantly if I was working with a woman in business or women who were working to come from a place of insight and speak, I would often say, right, okay, we go through your chakra system. So some of you listening might know of... very much about your chakra system or you may know nothing at all. It's an energy system within you that's wheels. Sanskrit means wheels of light. And those wheels and those chakras that are formed within you form at different times in your life. And things that we go through can affect those chakras by holding on to energy, like the body keeps score. So I work with a dowser and I work with crystals and I work with that when I'm working with you online and I'll go into which chakra wants our attention. I look at which crystal it is. And then we look at why and intuitively I'll work out by how you're speaking, what you're saying, exactly what's going on in that energy system. And then we shift the energy. Now to shift energy, it can happen as quickly as almost a sneeze, because as soon as you say it, you bring it forward and you address it, it's got nowhere to hide. Hence speaking your truth. And once we find that energy, we then come up with I call it spiritual, but we don't need to label it. Do whatever feels right for you. And we work through. Like I said, is it your values? Is it your purpose? Is it this? How do you ground? What are your habits? What are your daily habits that create your energy? Are you using gratitude? Are your thoughts spiraling? Because every thought you have is energy and every thought that you have creates an activation. And I call it your sacral chakra, which is your feelings zone. So it's all good and well, isn't it? Me and you, Sarah, saying, well, how do want people to feel? What if you can't feel? What if you can't pull on your feelings because your feelings are... so blocked that you can't access them. So I work to access those feelings to draw out what no longer serves you, to put in what it is you need and give you these tools and techniques and habits that we can stack on that are helpful for your energy system so that you can show up as when I say authentic and true and aligned, they are words, they're genuinely what feels aligned to you. And we recognize when you're out of alignment, like I'll start cleaning, really. cleaning and that is me out of alignment. So I'll stop and Sarah Collins: Okay. Lynn Jinks: I'll be like, right, what's going on? What am I missing? What have I not heard? Because we're so busy. We can't hear our intuition. We can't hear our truth because our thoughts are so loud. So I go in to settle the thoughts, give them spaces and places to go, lead from your heart, work out your personality and your gut. And then we move and shift. And that puts you in a really good energetic state so you can recognise when you're good and you're in a good space or when you're leaning into, on, I'm feeling, I'm out here. Something feels out of sync. Like I've gone down the back road. I'm not on the A roads anymore. I'm on a B road. What's going on? You're still fine. It's like, we'll get you back. But it's that energy that I work with. And that's how we can show up in life. How we show up daily, how we show up for our children, how we show up for our loved ones, colleagues, friends, because your energy is the aura around you and people feel it, even when you're trying to hide it. you vibrate from inside. So whatever you want to vibrate out is going to come from you. And that's why we talk about some businesses doing really well. And then another business that could be a woman doing exactly the same thing as the other person, but not what's that? Why is that? I'm paper. It's the same, but it's about the energy behind it. And that's the part that I love to work with them just huge successes wherever people go because they've got these tools to work with as well. So it's, it's an ongoing process. Sarah Collins: Hmm. I just, I'd love all that. And I think it's also about, isn't it, bringing that same energy. So we talk about authenticity, don't we? And actually for me, that means you're showing up online, which is difficult to bring energy online, isn't it? Like something like this, but also actually you're bringing that same energy that you would be in person. to what you're doing online so that people feel like you're authentic, is that the kind of thing that you're talking about as well? Lynn Jinks: Yeah, and I think with authenticity, controversial, there are other opinions available, but this one's mine. You will not always be the same person in the same group. So being authentic doesn't mean that you keep having to show up as, for example, I am very extrovert. I can ask you a million questions. I will work a room. I'm like a social butterfly and I love it, but there will be other rooms I'll go in and you'll see me in the corner very quietly chatting. That doesn't mean I'm not being authentic. I'm still being me. I'm still bringing me to the conversation, but I'm choosing how I want to be in that room. Some people feel like they need to show up the same all the time. That's not what authentic means. Authentic means how do you feel in this situation? And if you feel like you want to sit quietly in the corner and chat to one person all day, that's okay. Because being authentic doesn't mean that you have to show up and work every room, every time, all the time. Because there's some days where you won't feel that. You won't feel that from that space. So it's learning what means authentic to you. And that's how I think you show up authentically. Some places that you and I might go to, Sarah, we might be quite wild and chatty, and we're really, really fast chatting over each other almost, like a boomerang, bang, bang. But now today, we're giving each time to speak and listen. So authentic means your truth, your voice, what you're talking about, how you do it, that's fine. It's what you're showing up as, that's authenticity to me. Sarah Collins: And it goes back to the checking in, doesn't it actually? You because we don't always feel the same Lynn Jinks: Yeah. Sarah Collins: every day. I know I've been to networking events one month and been really energized and bubbly. And the next month, I'm just a bit more withdrawn. And that's just normal life, isn't it? And so Lynn Jinks: Yeah. Sarah Collins: I think it's so important going back to that checking in, actually, how am I feeling today and approaching that situation based on that. Lynn Jinks: And not feeling like you have to do all the work. old me would have been, I need to work this room because that's what I do every time. So I can't not do that because people will, they'll think this of me or they'll think that of me. And all of a sudden, you know, how dare I put, think what other people are thinking. It's not none of my business what other people are thinking. That's their business. That's what they're doing. But you would consistently think, well, I must keep showing up this word of showing up the same. And it's like, No, sometimes you show up because other people are meant to be talking to you. You're not meant to be the talker. You're meant to be the listener in that situation. Like you said, in the network meetings, sometimes you're the person that brings and sometimes you're the person that receives. You don't always have to be both. And the laws of the universe are all about giving and receiving anyway. And most of us are really good at giving and find it really debilitating to receive. It's almost like you get a compliment or somebody says something nice and you push it back. And it's like, well, actually they need to give. you're stopping them giving by rejecting. So it's having that space to give and receive, to be just authentic in that environment. Sarah Collins: that's brilliant. So, Lyn, we've covered such a lot today. I've really, really enjoyed this conversation. I've got one more question that I want to ask you, which I end every episode with, which is, you could encourage listeners to speak with, what would you say? Would that be a phrase or a word? What would you tell them to speak with? Lynn Jinks: Speak with truth. So if something no longer feels right, then say it out loud. If something doesn't align with your values anymore, say no. And if something lights you up, then say yes and trust the whispers. Because your intuition will speak way loudly when you listen and you don't need permission from anybody else to just know that you can become the women or woman that you're capable of becoming when you trust and speak with truth. Sarah Collins: Beautiful, an absolute beautiful end to the episode. Thank you so much, Lynne. It's been a real joy to speak to you today. Lynn Jinks: Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure, an absolute joy. And thank you for letting me talk to all your beautiful listeners. Solo episode 29.10.26: Thank you for listening to this episode of She Speaks to Scale. If you like the episode or you think it will be useful for someone else, please follow and leave a review. If you're looking for support to elevate your speaking skills, you'll find a link to work with me in the show notes, alongside some free resources that you may find useful too. Remember to speak with intention, not hesitation, and let your voice be heard.