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O-Zone Podcast: Head Coach Doug Marrone · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone podcast featuring Jaguars dot Com senior
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  Speaker 1: writer John Osher and Jack Buars executive producer Dave the Kendis,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna be joined this week by Jaguars head
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  Speaker 1: coach Doug Murray. Usually in the podcast, what Dave and
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  Speaker 1: I do is we talked a little bit at the top,
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  Speaker 1: we sort of preview the guests. Uh, what I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to say this week was usually was Doug when we
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  Speaker 1: had him on this time of year, when we were
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  Speaker 1: talking to him, we would talk to him about the
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  Speaker 1: football team, the off season program just got over with.
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  Speaker 1: Would usually be going over position groups, what he thinks
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  Speaker 1: to Gardner Minshew, how he how he feels prepared for
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  Speaker 1: the season. But there's been so much going on with
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  Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen, with the Black Lives Matter, and with
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  Speaker 1: Doug being so candid and so out front on a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these things, that we wanted to spend this
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  Speaker 1: week's podcast more talking to him about those issues. He's
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  Speaker 1: talked about football and some conference calls. There's been plenty
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  Speaker 1: of stories written about his thoughts on the team. You
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  Speaker 1: can find those somewhere else. But for this week, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk to him about what I'm sure is
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  Speaker 1: a important, odd and even life perspective changing offseason for
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  Speaker 1: Doug morn. So, without further delay, here's this week those
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  Speaker 1: Own Podcasts interview with jack Boys head coach Doug Morrow. Doug,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be honest with the podcasts, I had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of questions about how you got into coaching, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of background stuff that with the events of the last
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  Speaker 1: few weeks, it feels remiss not to talk about that first,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just curious. I assume it goes without saying
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  Speaker 1: that you probably feel like the last ten days or
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  Speaker 1: so maybe as important on a lot of levels as
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  Speaker 1: any of you've dealt with his head coach, And um,
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  Speaker 1: is the right? Am I reading that right? Yeah? I
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  Speaker 1: think I think you have to you know, And in
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  Speaker 1: these last you know, ten days, and right after it
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  Speaker 1: happened the first team meeting, it was it was brought up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because, um, you know, I think anyone that
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  Speaker 1: that is able to see the video of the murder
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  Speaker 1: of George Floyd, you know, it doesn't have an impression
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  Speaker 1: of that is really not new. So you know, it
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  Speaker 1: was brought up and then and then it really kept
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  Speaker 1: a momentum about itself that you know, we're we normally
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have a team meeting on a Tuesday, but
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  Speaker 1: we had a teammates you know, and kept going with
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  Speaker 1: these team meetings you know, to have you know, these
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  Speaker 1: these difficult discussions are tough or uncomfortable or whatever word
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  Speaker 1: you want to use that show you know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of emotion you know from everyone, you know, anger, frustration, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, confusion on you know, what's next? What do
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  Speaker 1: we do? Um? And really trying to open that up.
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  Speaker 1: So for me, football media to take a you know,
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  Speaker 1: take a step back, you know, or or actually for
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  Speaker 1: a better a better line would be, you know, football
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  Speaker 1: needed to you know, go on a sideline. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't part of you know what we
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  Speaker 1: were trying to accomplish. What we were trying to accomplish
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  Speaker 1: is you know, um listening, you know, And that was
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  Speaker 1: a big thing with the players because you know, some
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  Speaker 1: of us don't know you know, what it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because because we are white and um and we don't
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  Speaker 1: understand you know. So for me, it was a tremendous
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  Speaker 1: learning experience, UM one that I was able to see
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  Speaker 1: through someone you know, other people's eyes. I thought our
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  Speaker 1: players did an outstanding job of you know, communicating their feelings,
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  Speaker 1: communicating the story of of of what's you know, things
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  Speaker 1: that have gone on you know, from them, not just
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  Speaker 1: from you know a standpoint of of one incident, but
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  Speaker 1: you know multiple things that really take up you know,
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  Speaker 1: a whole graph of of A to Z just basically
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  Speaker 1: on on you know, racism, you know, in this country.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I tried to learn you know, from
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  Speaker 1: my past and that you know, for me as a
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  Speaker 1: head coach and me as the leader, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: create you know, h lines of communication of platforms or
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, you know, with our team
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  Speaker 1: and with our assistant coaches. You know, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're in a league now where you know, I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to make sure, learning from what's going on in the past,
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  Speaker 1: that our players understood that Hey, listen, you can say
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  Speaker 1: whatever you're feeling. It's not going to be held against
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  Speaker 1: you by the by the organization from a standpoint of h,
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  Speaker 1: you're not gonna be on this team. The only way
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to be on this football team if
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  Speaker 1: you're not good enough. You know what I'm saying, the
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  Speaker 1: play or you know, you're not you're not helping us win,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Um, but that was something that you know,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to reiterate to the players and I was
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  Speaker 1: you know, fortunate that Dave Calwell came on and reiterated it.
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  Speaker 1: We almost shot agrees with it, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: an important time, especially in the industry that we're in.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, we we we we took those steps.
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  Speaker 1: And um, like I said before, we were we you know,
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  Speaker 1: Marcus Pollard, you know who's our player development guy, has
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  Speaker 1: done a great job along with Tad Dickman, RPR guy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm gathering this information from the players, you know,
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  Speaker 1: keeping these discussions going and you know, creating sustainability, which
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  Speaker 1: is the number one thing that we want to do.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want to see you know, this opportunity fade.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's that comes from the players and
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  Speaker 1: the assistant coaches. So you know, now I have to
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  Speaker 1: look at my role as as the head coach or
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  Speaker 1: the leader of creating you know, these platforms or this
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  Speaker 1: availability that you know, we do, you know, have the
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  Speaker 1: freedom to express it. We do have the freedom to
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  Speaker 1: bring up some thoughts and bring us some action plans
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  Speaker 1: that we can use our position you know in the community, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being part of the NFL and and and
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  Speaker 1: really working on trying to create change, knowing that you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's gonna take time and it's Chris Connelly said,
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  Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's a marathon and you know change, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for change, and I think that uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we were discussing it as a movement, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, we've got to continue to keep
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  Speaker 1: you know, pushing and keep moving and keep having you know,
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  Speaker 1: conversations whether you know, uncomfortable or not, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: bring this type of awareness and it's it's gone on
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  Speaker 1: for too long, and you know, I've got to look
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  Speaker 1: at myself and go through you know what, what's what's
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  Speaker 1: my part? You know what can I do? You know
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  Speaker 1: a better job of to support and listen to these
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  Speaker 1: listen to our players than assistant coaches. I'm fascinating because
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  Speaker 1: I've been around a lot of head coaches and the
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  Speaker 1: instinct for a head coach is to always be football
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  Speaker 1: because it's it's a year round thing. Did you know
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  Speaker 1: immediately when you heard the conversation started, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: that first zoom meeting. Hey, this is going to be different,
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  Speaker 1: and it was just sort of organically of Hey, football
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  Speaker 1: has got to set aside a little bit because, as
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  Speaker 1: you know, the head coach usually it's all ball all
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  Speaker 1: the time. I think it's I think it was like
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  Speaker 1: that because that's how that's how we grew up. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I think that there's times I was fortunate enough to, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, see things growing up. I've been fortunate enough
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  Speaker 1: to live in a gown, to school and play footba
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  Speaker 1: all with a very diverse group. Um. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: for me, I've seen it and I think as the
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  Speaker 1: white man, you know, you say, you know what, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I could have done more? You know what what could
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  Speaker 1: I have done? I mean you feel you go back
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, well, they're supported you know my friends,
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  Speaker 1: I supported this, I you know, but you're always saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: what what can I do more? Because you know, if
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  Speaker 1: if in my life, my you know, my priorities are
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  Speaker 1: you know, God, family, you know, football, and then social life,
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  Speaker 1: well this, this is this is more towards what my
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  Speaker 1: values are in family and you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: So so it's above you know what I'm saying for me,
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  Speaker 1: I can't speak for anybody else. I can't speak for
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  Speaker 1: any other head coaches, but for me, it's above that
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  Speaker 1: because you know, and and I kind of went back
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  Speaker 1: and I I went you know, my my, my whole
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  Speaker 1: thing in college when I was in college of a coach,
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  Speaker 1: and I was fortunate to be around a guy named
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  Speaker 1: Homer Rice who was an a d at Georgia Tech
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  Speaker 1: when I was there, and and his big big thing was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, development of of of of the players,
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  Speaker 1: you know, development not um you know, obviously not we're
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  Speaker 1: not talking about on the field, but development, you know,
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  Speaker 1: off the field. And for me, you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: my my philosophy was, you know, I was going to
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  Speaker 1: develop the person first, you know, before I even started
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  Speaker 1: to work on developing the football player. And I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I look back, I think sometimes this
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  Speaker 1: job and and and the things around it, you can
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  Speaker 1: kind of lose sight of that, you know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know for me, you know, there's points
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  Speaker 1: where I wish I would have done a better job.
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  Speaker 1: You know, so I've I've I've learned a lot, and
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  Speaker 1: I want to get back to that now. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when I say that, sometimes it's just about listening, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and being able to listen, uh,
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  Speaker 1: to be able to be empathetic to what you know
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  Speaker 1: people are going through, to you know, try to understand.
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  Speaker 1: I think since the murder of George Floyd, I think
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  Speaker 1: that you know, I've learned a lot, you know, about myself.
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  Speaker 1: I've learned a lot about um, you know, my position
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  Speaker 1: and what I can do UM. And I think it's
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  Speaker 1: I think it's been uh something that again for me,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's moving forward. It's pushing me to do a
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  Speaker 1: better job and to be a better person. At the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, you know, football is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be taken away from me. You know, at one
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  Speaker 1: point another was taken away from me when I was
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  Speaker 1: a player, you know, not being good enough for injuries.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be taken away from me as a coach,
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  Speaker 1: or whether it be my age or not being able
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  Speaker 1: to do a good enough job. But the one thing
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  Speaker 1: that that's never going to be taken away from me
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  Speaker 1: is you know who I am as a person. You
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  Speaker 1: know what my character and what my values are. People
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  Speaker 1: can always you know, attack you for decisions you made
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  Speaker 1: on third down or journ the game or and that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I totally understand that that's that's part of what the
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  Speaker 1: job is. I never had a problem with that, and
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  Speaker 1: you know that job. But the one thing I never
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  Speaker 1: wanted people to have a question, you know, is is
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  Speaker 1: you know, personally is my character or who I am?
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I guess it goes beyond you know,
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  Speaker 1: the logo of the of the league, goes beyond the
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  Speaker 1: logo of the team. It goes beyond you know, your
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  Speaker 1: your primary responsibility and your job, and it takes uh,
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  Speaker 1: what takes president is your president? Is your your ability
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  Speaker 1: as a you know, a person. I'm not looking to
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  Speaker 1: be remembered or I really feel like at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, I'm I'm doing what I'm supposed to
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  Speaker 1: do to help and support these players. It's the right thing.
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  Speaker 1: Therefore it can never be wrong. Have you learned anything
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  Speaker 1: about your team as a whole through all this, not
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  Speaker 1: just in terms of what they've been telling about what
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  Speaker 1: they've gone through in their lives, but I guess how
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  Speaker 1: they've handled this. Uh. Pollard and Robiski, they both said
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  Speaker 1: that they had learned something about these guys as men.
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  Speaker 1: I guess is the best way to put it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think you know, I've learned about you know a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, to put one thing out there, UM, would
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  Speaker 1: be a discredit to all the players. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying that that I've spoken, But you know, I think, um,
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  Speaker 1: the awareness uh is a is a very very high level.
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  Speaker 1: I would think the experiences of things that have occurred
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  Speaker 1: in their lives. You know what I'm saying growing up
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  Speaker 1: that as a white man, I never even even put
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  Speaker 1: anything any thought into it, um, which is discouraging you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you know, for me, that's how I approach things. UM.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've always had a philosophy you can never
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  Speaker 1: walk in someone else's shoes. I've always believed that, no
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  Speaker 1: matter what what the situation is. But I did always
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  Speaker 1: think that you could have some type of understanding you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, or you know or you get
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  Speaker 1: it or whatever whatever word you want to say. UM.
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  Speaker 1: But the way our players have been impressed with the
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  Speaker 1: way they've been able to communicate their feelings, UM, their
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  Speaker 1: knowledge on on history. UM, there there there hunger for change. UM.
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  Speaker 1: And now you know we're gonna put those things in place,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna see you know, if if we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to sustain it and be able to
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  Speaker 1: do something. So I look at you know, I look
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  Speaker 1: at everything as as what's doing right as a as
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  Speaker 1: as a human being first, you know, and then you
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  Speaker 1: know football down the road. And that's how I feel.
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  Speaker 1: I know you talked on your season ending conference call
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  Speaker 1: about the need for having things in place to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that conversation and and as Connelly said that it's
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  Speaker 1: not a moment but a movement, you will be putting
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  Speaker 1: things into place to make sure that this doesn't fade out.
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  Speaker 1: I guess is the word you use. And that's that's
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  Speaker 1: the difficult thing about something like this. It's sort of
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  Speaker 1: maintaining the structure from amnum to continue right. Well, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's where I look at where where my role comes in.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying as a head coach, the
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  Speaker 1: one thing that I do have the ability to do
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  Speaker 1: is um is being able to structure you know, our
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  Speaker 1: days what we do and the number one thing for
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  Speaker 1: the players have been you know, sustainability, sustainability and the
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  Speaker 1: assistant coaches. So you know, in my role as a
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  Speaker 1: head coach, you know, what what can I do to
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  Speaker 1: help that. Now, I came up with a bush of
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  Speaker 1: ideas that I had given a Marcus and spoke to
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  Speaker 1: some of the assistant coaches about, um, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: you know what I don't want to do is is
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  Speaker 1: not is. I want to see what the players were
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  Speaker 1: like first, you know what I'm saying, because that's they're
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  Speaker 1: the ones that are the most important. And then okay,
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  Speaker 1: for sustainability, all right, what are we gonna do from
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  Speaker 1: when we leave this team meeting today until we report,
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  Speaker 1: you know, whatever time that may be. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: the question was to Marcus says, hey, do we have
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  Speaker 1: this open forum that we are going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: these issues about you know, where we are with our
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  Speaker 1: you know, where our thoughts and where our action plans
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  Speaker 1: and how we're progressing. So you know, it's not a
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  Speaker 1: it's not a vacation, you know what I'm saying from
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  Speaker 1: it because you know, these players live this daily, know
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  Speaker 1: these these emotions, but with them, you know seven. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, we wanted to build a platform, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for that. And then you know, during the season I
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  Speaker 1: heard you know a lot of players say, hey, we've
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  Speaker 1: got to keep this going. And during the season it's
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  Speaker 1: difficult because you know, whatever's happening on the field between
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  Speaker 1: the lines, you know, your body is tired, your beat up.
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  Speaker 1: You know, job security is always you know, being talked about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of times we do things
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  Speaker 1: where you know, okay, hey listen, uh today today's then today.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna everything ends at five thirty and
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  Speaker 1: NF five thirty, We're gonna have a team room open
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  Speaker 1: for where everyone wants to come in and this is
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  Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about. Well, you're not gonna get
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  Speaker 1: the same type of effect at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: day that you're gonna have to. So you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at you know, what we're gonna do during training camp, um,
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  Speaker 1: looking at you know, bringing in you know, speakers that
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  Speaker 1: understand what some have have an understanding of the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because that's something that's over all of our heads.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying as far as the platform,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to make sure that they understand what
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  Speaker 1: these players go through. I want to make it to
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  Speaker 1: where it's it's helpful for the players, but I also
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  Speaker 1: need to keep listening to them to see who those
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  Speaker 1: best people are, you know, and the assistant coaches, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and then building into our schedules. So we are constantly
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  Speaker 1: reminded of that. You know that we are you know
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  Speaker 1: when it's time. You know, when we're working on football,
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  Speaker 1: we are. But hey, we're working on this. We're good
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  Speaker 1: because if you don't, it's gonna it's gonna trickle into
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  Speaker 1: everything that you do. And you know, you want to
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  Speaker 1: you want to say as a head coach, a we
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  Speaker 1: want to have a balance on everything, but you have
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  Speaker 1: to understand at times that balance you know, it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be moving that scale, you know, and you just
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  Speaker 1: got to know in the times when that scale needs
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  Speaker 1: to move in the directions you know what I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: that that that that are important for the team, and
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  Speaker 1: usually get that from the players. So you know, I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do a better job than what I've done
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  Speaker 1: in the past of you know, being able to have
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  Speaker 1: these types of discussions, have these types of forums, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for players, and make no bones about it,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it's not gonna be you know, it's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna really cut into what we have to get done
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  Speaker 1: is far other jobs. And that's the one thing I
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  Speaker 1: think people can you know, get confused on like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, is it a football team or is it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, an activist group. Well, it's it's both. You know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna make change, we're gonna make movement.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: We're gonna play football and put an excellent quality out
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: of my field and win football games. We talked for
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: a while about a really um significant offseason and still
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: haven't gotten into the coronavirus, which which is amazing. It
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: shows you how much things have changed even the last
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But I do think people are curious
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: about just how you handled the very beginning of the
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: coronavirus in terms of doing this virtually and uh, you know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you talked a little bit about the anxiety of that,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and it sounds like that process, meaning the communication with
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the team the players, went a lot better than you
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: initially I thought it might. It did. And I think
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: what caused my anxiety was my lack of knowledge and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: you know in technology like my bob Yeah, and you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: but you know to our you know, to our I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: T department, in our video department, and played a major
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: role and and getting these things set up, um, you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: they didn't outstanding job, you know, and and in a
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: tough time where you know, this has never been done before. Um,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you know the NFL and the process of a draft.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I couldn't there there was there
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: was no issues, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: it was, it was. It's truly amazing. And people will
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: point towards the leadership, you know what I'm saying, to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: give a lot of credit towards the leadership of being
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: able to you know, accomplish those things, but it's really
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the people below them, you know, the people that actually
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you know, wiring your home and wiring, you know, the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: guys that are that are doing something. That's why I
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: give so much credit to the I T and the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: video games. You know, they're just outstanding. And we're very
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: fortunate to have a great bunch of a group where
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes your I T and video guys a
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: little bit you know, separation between them, but you know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: our guys came together and did a hell of a job.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: So you know, I really appreciate that. And then and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: then once it starts to go for me because of
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the way I think and that process, I was like, Okay,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: what do we normally get done in our meetings? You
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying with the players, let's try to
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: keep that the same. So as far as installation and everything. Now,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of times in theath me in the end,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: once you start practicing, a lot of a lot of
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: those meanings are part of you know, really looking at
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the practice tape, you know, and making corrections from the tape,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you know, with the players are walking through with them,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: so you know, from the physical, from the physical part
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: of being able to be together. That's the one thing
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: we missed. But you know, we were able to get
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: everything in and then we tried to substitute you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: some of the uh, the actual stuff on the field
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: with a lot of individual tape and challenging players individually.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, what they can do on
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: their own in the safe environment if if they have
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: one to go ahead and start doing it, which would
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: be able to help them. So now you know, so
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: now you have that planned out, and then now the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: next phases I think even more challenging because you know
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you had something taken away from you, you know, with
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: with O, T A. S and the minicamp you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: which is on the field. So there's a lot of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: things the players progression, you know, seeing who's getting better,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: see who truly understand what needs to be done. The
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: evaluation process not just from the coaches on you know
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: who's who's you know have the ability to play well
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: or make this team, but also from our personnel. The
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: part what I'm what I'm challenged now is to go
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: back in one the challenge of the operational of of
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a safe environment, which a lot of procedures are are
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: still coming out. You know, what we need to do
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: when the players report. So there's a challenge for just
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: logistics on you know, where these players are moving and going. Um,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I think that we're probably in better shape than most
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: teams because we do have you know, we are in
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a stadium. There's a ton of room there. I think
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of times we're complain about not having windows,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: but you know, this is the one time we're being
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: in the stadium and the space that it creates is helpful. Um.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: You know, we've got challenges to how we disinfect these areas,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, so they maintain you know
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: a high level of health. Um. So all those things
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: come into play. But then when you start thinking about
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the football end of it is okay, Um, your initial
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: thoughts that you want to jump right in and start
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: right away, you know what I'm saying, Like just go
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: from zero to a hunter, right, That's not gonna We
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: all might want to do that as coaches, but that's
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: not what's best for our players. So you know, we
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna be looking at, you know, things
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of you know, splitting the field, double reps, you know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: job through so we can get them and kind of
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: build our players up and try to catch up you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: quite a bit on the on the reps that we've lost. Um,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: knowing that our window or a window of opportunity to
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: make this team, you're gonna be a lot shorter, you
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: know than in years past. And it's very unique. And
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you know the good thing about it is, I think
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of people have said, you know, I've heard
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: other coaches talk about, well, you know, I got a
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: veteran team. They've gotta know what to do, you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: how to animals will be ready, you know. And I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: started thinking, well, we might be in trouble. We got
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: we got probably the youngest team, you know what I'm
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: saying in the NFL. But the work that these guys
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: have put in the young guys I'm not talking about
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: the guy that have played before. You know, it has
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: been really over the top in a good sense. And um,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know, they're all hungry, and they all understand that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: as an opportunity, and they understand that it's gonna be
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a smaller window, and you know they're they're gonna come
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: in ready to go. So I think it's gonna just
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: help the whole football team and us as coaches. But
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: what I have to do, what I'm challenged with, is
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: putting together this operational schedule for health and safety for
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: everyone that's involved into it. And then you know, I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: gotta put the schedule where our players are able to
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: build up where we have any any setbacks. I'm curious
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: about the way you communicate, because you're used to standing
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: in front of the room and talking to players. It
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: looks like there could be a situation where you're on
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: zoom meetings communicating with players even during the season. Does
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the way that you talk to guys, does your ability
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to look somebody in the eye things like that. Is
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: that a big difference or am I overstating that. I
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: think that's just human nature. You know what I'm saying,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, at first, it's like, you know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: at first we had the phone call where I can
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: take the phone and go like, oh my god, you
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying to my mouth. You know. Then
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: we went to zoom video. You know, I'm saying a
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: FaceTime you know, which which is a much better you
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, human interaction. It's probably the next
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: best thing you have of not being there. I think that,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you know, we've also discussed and talked about, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: some of these larger meetings of you know, offense, defense,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: special teams and team you know. Um, you know, logistically
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: we've talked about how do we lift in the weight room.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: But you know, from a standpoint of the meetings and
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the large meeting groups, we we've discussed, you know, doing
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: it even though I maybe seventy ft away or in
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the next room. You know, we might have players in
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: in their meeting rooms having a full team meeting. You know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: we might have players at home, uh, you know, at
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: night instead of having a team meeting at night. Just
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: do it like this, and I think, you know, I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to talk with great confidence uh in
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: doing that, Um, if we hadn't you know, been doing
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: it now for for a long period of time. And
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: like you said, at first, I know, for myself, I
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: felt a little bit uncomfortable, you know, just because I've
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: never done this before. Um. But quickly it became like
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: an afterthought, you know, became it became easy to do
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: talk to the team this way. Uh, it became easy
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to talk to media this way. Um. But you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I I've always enjoyed and look forward to actually being
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: in front of a room a bunch of people in there,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: so you can you can get a feel for, you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: body language and what they're doing. But I think that
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you know, as long as when you're talking about football,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that doesn't affect me as much as what you're talking about,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you know, other things that you want to you want
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to bring up and try to make sure you drive
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: those points on. This is kind of a jump away
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: in terms of topics. But I hadn't talked to you
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: since Don Schoula died. I know you played for him.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I was curious to your thoughts on the man, what
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: influence he had over here and just say something about
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: him if you will. Yeah, he he had he had
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: quite a bit of influence in the short period of
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: time that that that we were together. I think that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting, you know by that time, um,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you know we're talking about you know, eighties, nineteen, eighties,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: seven and nine. You know he um, yeah, you know
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: he was you know everyone everyone. You know, I knew
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: that that you're playing for, you know, a whole same coach,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: A special guy, a guy that had a ton of
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: influence you know what I'm saying in the NFL, and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: a ton of influence on a lot of the rules
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you know that that were put in place, and you
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: know he had he had a standard and it was high.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And you know when you when you reported the camp,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you know, because back then it was different, like you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: in the off season. You know, back then, there wasn't
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of money, so not a lot of guys
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: would just go home and work out and work you know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: believe it or not, I have a their view with
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: their families, and then you know, we'd have these these
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: mini camps and the people that were in town and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: work out. But you know, we always had it was
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: kind of like how baseball had, which I always thought
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: was great because I don't remember us having a lot
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: of injuries, meaning that you know, the skill guys always
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: reported early, you know, kind of like the pictures and catchers,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: you know, and they were able to kind of get
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: themselves going a little bit. It wasn't at the highest
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: competition level at that point because the whole team is
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: not there. Everybody's just kind of getting a field for
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: you know, being able to practice times, being able to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: run around, you know, how to condition their bodies all that,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and then and then alignment would come in. So we'd
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: have a couple of those camps, two or three of them,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I can't remember, you know, in the off season. But
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: then you know, when we reported, we had a bunch
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: of exercises that we'd have to go through. So we'd
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: have you had to do X amount of pull ups
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: at a certain time, X amount of sit ups, jump rope.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: He had a bench, a shoulder press flexibility that there was, uh,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you know, conditioning tests and you acquire points and you know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: if you if you max out and you gotta you know,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the best grade, you've got five points. If if you didn't,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you got one. You know. A couple of years after
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: when I when I started coaching, obviously I was with
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the Jets and we played Miami. So every once in
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: a while I'd run into Coacha, you know, and I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: would ask him. I'd say, you know, why did you
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: do those things? He said, well, Charlie Winner was the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: general manager, and he said, well, you know, at the
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: bottom of the roster. You know, Charlie and I would
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: get together and if we were you know, um, you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: split on a player, you know, two players, and we
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: couldn't really you know, it didn't have a strong feeling
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: either way of who's going to help us. You know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: we go back to this chart, you know that we
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: did and and and that's that's what would be the
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: tipping you know, tip scales, you know. So you know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting just how he did things.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, obviously he was a disciplinarian. Um,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: he expected a lot, He expected a lot of the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: players and and and he always delivered. So you know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I think he was, you know, one of those people
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that I've been fortunate enough to be around. UM to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: hear them speak, they hear them, uh, to watch them
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: coach UH, to understand um, you know, the principles that
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: have made him so successful and and be able to
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: instill some of that in a game that you know
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: or locker room that is constantly changing and evolving. So um,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I feel I feel very fortunate to be
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: part of that. And there's a lot of players that
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: were on that team that were with coach Hiller for
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: a long period of time, and I think they would
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: also say they've had, you know, nothing but great respect
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: for him as a man and um and the things
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: he did for us as players, because you know, if
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: you're looking for someone in your life to push you
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: where you can't push yourself, he was. He was that guy.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: He was gonna get he was going to get the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: best out of you. Um. I remember in eighty at seven,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I think it was eighty seven or eighty eight that
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: training camp was and I know that we as old
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: older players always like to talk about those training camp.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: But we had doubles every day except Sunday. Ochila was
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: you know how you know, it was very strong in
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: his faith, but on Sunday was that day off. But
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you know, we go out in the morning, we're being
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: full pads due to run. You know, in the afternoon
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: we go out and how much the shold had and
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, we can understand that here
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, but we're talking about some serious heat, you
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying down in Miami. And you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I just I just always remember, um, you know, I
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: didn't know my roommate at the time, Chris Conlin, was
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: from Penn State. You know. We had the schedule up
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: in our our hotel room where we stayed, and and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: we were just trying to get through one one part
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: of the day. I mean, it was just like, okay,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: let's get through this first practice. We because we made it,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: you know, and there was a point in this training
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: camp where you know, as a player that hadn't made
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: a team yet, you know that's your number one goal.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: But I saw that goal switching for me. So that
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: goal went from you know, trying to make the team
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: to just surviving, you know, and you know, when your
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: body is banged up that bad and you just keep
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: pushing yourself, You're like, because there's age, You're like, there's
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: no way I can make it, and you just go
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: out there and you do it and you get it done.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: And we ran all the time and did that stuff.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And I've always said that, you know, there's a lot
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: of things that I'll look back to my life that
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I've been challenging and have been tough. And
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I remember after that training camp. I remember that the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: influence of that camp not only as as a as
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: a football player, but the influence on that camp we're
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: going to have in my life, meaning that you know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I've constantly got to push myself. You know, I really
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: don't know my own limitations, you know, And and and
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: it taught me so much about myself, um, and it
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: taught me a lot about the team, my teammates. You
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: know that I learned to appreciate and go back to
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: in times of where I feel there there's there's nothing left,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I can't do anymore, I can't push myself. So I
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: always kicked myself back to that time, you know, to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: keep pushing myself to go forward. And you can't really
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: put players do that kind of camp down right, or
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: can you? No? And I think, you know, I think
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: reasons for it. And I think you know, it's the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: same it's the same thing that I've I've gone through.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there was a certain way that
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I that I that I played and was brought up
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: coach that you know, I obviously brought with me to UM.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: You know, my career in coaching that has evolved, you know,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: because of you know, player safety and the athletes that
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: are changing. So I don't I don't look back and say,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you know, these guys nowadays couldn't do that, or they
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: would be better if they did that. I think that,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you know, the steps were taken, you know, as a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: league for the future of health and safety for our
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: players is not, no doubt, the right direction. I don't
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: look back and things that coaches, coaches had asked me
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: to do, or anything look back and say, gosh, I
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: can't believe they put me in that situation. I don't.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I don't feel that way at all. There's no animosity
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: towards that. UM. You know, if anything I found a positive,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you know, for me, I can't speak for everybody else,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and and and and pushing myself that much
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: where Truly it is mind over matter. Final question, UM,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: specific to this year's Jaguars team. I know you haven't
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: seen him on the field yet and it's been an
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: unusual part of the offseason, but is there anything that
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: you can tell me that you like about this bunch.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: If fans haven't gotten a chance to see that, maybe
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: it's just unique, you know, or is it too early
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: to tell because you haven't seen him on the field.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I think I think, you know, it's it's it's a
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: it's a difficult question from a standpoint of you know,
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  Speaker 1: there there's a lot of things that I'm excited about,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: you know, but I haven't seen them with my eyes yet,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and I think that you know, i'd be it would
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: be unfair for me too, you know, paint a picture
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  Speaker 1: of the actual results, you know, for the fan. And
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I has been someone that has taken pride
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  Speaker 1: and just saying, you know, exactly what's in my heart
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  Speaker 1: on my mind and not trying to be too dramatic
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: or overblown or or or come across as phony that
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to sell and think of that nature. But
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I will tell you what I'm excited about. I think
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be interesting this year with the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: amount of youth that we have on this team, uh
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  Speaker 1: and how hungry they are and you know, for the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: most part, how well they've picked things up. I think
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: it's going to challenge our older players, you know, are
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: veteran players. Um. You know, these guys are really good communicators. Um,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: they have a great sense of respect for the people
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that have played this game. But they're gonna come in
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: here and compete. I think that we have, you know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: people more so on the offensive side of the ball,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you know that are are playmakers. More more types of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: guys that are playmakers than we've had before. Some of
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: them are guys that were with us that are still developing.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Some of them are guys that are going into the
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: final year of their contract. You know. Some of them
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: are guys that are coming in free agency and in college.
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  Speaker 1: You know. So some of them have proven to be
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: playmakers in this league, but proven that you know, they've
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: had a little bit of injury. So you know, we've
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: got to make sure that those players stay healthy and
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: the young guys, you know, have the ability to do it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And now it's just a matter of where we can
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: put them and how much they can retain. You know,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I think Dave and I have had discussions. We're constantly
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: still looking. It's not not like, hey, we're set with
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: this ninety and going. You know, if we feel as
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: any way to improve this team, Dave and I have
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: had great communication, you know, talked about multiple players that
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you know, are the year out there or maybe you know,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: get cut, you know, for salary cap whatever it may be.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: You know, So these conversations with our personnel department go
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: on all the time. So I'm excited. Defensively, I think
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that you know, we lost players, and I think we're
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: able to fill some of them. We filled with veteran guys.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about the linebacker situation, and some
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: of them were filled with workies that we've draft that
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: that we're expecting big things up. So you know, a
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of that is going to be
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: on their performance and what they do. We put an
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: emphasis on, you know, stopping the run, which is something
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that hurt us. Um, we're able to go out and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and stick by a plan, you know, Dave and I,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you know, for them, the plan, the shot and you
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: know and and and and the coaches and the scouts,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and we really stuck by it, you know, the type
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: of people we wanted to bring in, the type of
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: style that we wanted to play. Um, I feel that
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: we've addressed some needs. Obviously, you always want better debt,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: but you know, I think I'm excited to see what
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: these guys can do. Um. You know, I think a
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: lot of people on the outside of saying this team
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: is not gonna be good, this team is not gonna
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: be that. You know. We we we hear that. It's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: not like we're we're we shut that stuff off, you know.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: But I couldn't. It couldn't be any further from the truth.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I really, really, I feel really comfortable, you
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, um, um, coaching this football team,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: and I feel really good about, you know, when we
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: get out there, um, you know, getting the best of
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the team, and the team getting the best of me
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: and the coaches. Um. So I'm I'm actually super excited.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Um you know, um, you know, and I say everything, Hey,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: you know, don't believe what you read. Let's go out
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: there and prove it to you. Doug, You're always generous
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: with your time and you're always fascinating to talk to.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing this, and I look forward to
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: seeing you. When I see you, who knows when that
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: will be, but I look forward to and thank you
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: very much. Right, thank you, John. I think what strikes
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: me about Doug in the last couple of weeks. It's
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the same thing, maybe a continuing storyline of what everybody
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: in the media and I think fans who really followed
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the team closely as seeing were Doug in that he
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: came in Dave with this real reputation when he came
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to Jaguars of being a tough guy to deal with,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: of being a tough nut to crack if you will,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: uh and really being hard to reach, and with the
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Jack krys Man, he has been anything but that. And
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's always the most comfortable thing
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: in the world for him to open up, but he
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: really is the guy who is warning his heart on
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: his sleeve to use an awful cliche, since he's joined
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: this organization or become the page, and it feels like
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the last few weeks he's really shown people aside of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: himself to maybe he didn't know was there. I'm just
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: very impressed with him as a person and how he
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: handles being the head coach of this team and how
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: he's handled this the last few weeks and even the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: last few months. Anybody that works in the NFL, or
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I mean even I can relate that this offseason has
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: been tough and preparing for a season. You don't know
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: what's gonna be. It's tough. And as far as Doug,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: it's funny kind of tell us tell this story is
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: when he first got the job with us. I know
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: some people that at the Buffalo bills to do my
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: job and they were like, hey, you know coaches shows
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and scheduling thing, Hey might be tough. He's a tough
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: guy to deal with sometimes. And I've had completely the opposite, um,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the opposite experience with Doug. He's been professional, was easy
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to work with, willing to do whatever you need him
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: to do, and I really like him as a person
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and and how he's handled these last I guess it's
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: been a month now with everything. I mean, he's handled
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: with grace and has really kind of put out what
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: he thinks, which is hard for coaches to do because
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: you know, they have to answer to a lot of people,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: whether it's fans, ownership, their own players. And you get
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the idea that you know, Doug is genuine about how
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: he feels about this social justice movement that's happened the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: last few months. And also even before that, when questions
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and his and his uh his media conferences would come
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: up about COVID you could tell I mean this, you know,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: this whole thing affected him, um, and it's pretty and
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you know so much as like made of like like
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick at the Patriots, who too extremely successful or whatever.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: But I don't think many people know who he is, um,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: And it's just you know, there's always that stark contrast,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you know if coaches and Doud comes off to me like,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: you know, just not I won't say a regular guy,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: but just a guy trying to do his job. And
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: it's very relatable. I think that's what I'm trying to say.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: And you're never sure when you do podcasts, when you
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: do content, people call things now, you're never sure if
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: everybody listens to everything, because there's so much out there.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: But for people who are maybe listening to this and
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: heard Doug Marone talk, I think if you want some
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: real insight into the person and how he's handled the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: last few weeks, which for a head coach, this has
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: not been an easy time. It is not an easy
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: thing to I don't want to use the word navigate,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: but to know how to handle with sixty different players
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: on your team. If you go back and listen to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the ozone podcast, the Terry Robiski Mars Pollard last week.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: They said a lot, they talked. They were almost laughing
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: during it because they continued to go back to praising
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Doug Morone and how he's handled this and that the
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Jaguars approach couldn't have been the approach it was without Doug.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: And I really didn't talk to Doug during the podcast
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: about that because he's not the kind of person who's
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: gonna answer a question real well if he's being praised.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: It's just not I've been around and long enough, that's
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: not going to get a great answer. But the things
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: that Marcus and Terry were saying about Doug were things
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: that you can't fake. And they were talking about Doug
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Marone and situations that he can't fake in terms of
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: how he's approached this, how he has had conversations with
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: both of them and other black players about the things
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: going on. I don't think you can be a phony
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: or faith and things that they were staying about him.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: And I think if people really are interested in what
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Doug Maron is like, maybe listen to that podcast. I
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: need you get a real appreciation for it. So really,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: with this podcast day, there wasn't a whole lot. I
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: think that we could say more than Doug is said
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: about his comment, so we're prised. Just leave it at that.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I appreciate people listening to the z own podcasts. I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: appreciate Joe Fortunate in a date to Kansas for making
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: us sound good. We will see you guys next week.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: And I hope this one didn't stop. Yeah,