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The Kenny Report | 3 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: More economic data pointing to another interest rate rise as
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister Duck's responsibility for the cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 3: Dick Smith joins me to.
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  Speaker 2: Discuss nuclear energy and why the CSIRO and the Energy
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  Speaker 2: Market Operator are talking nuclear down. Climate crazies chalk up
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  Speaker 2: nine days of disruption as they attempt to block coal
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  Speaker 2: exports from Newcastle. The White House denies President Biden is
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  Speaker 2: suffering dementia as reports emerged the disgraced son Hunter is
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  Speaker 2: advising his father to run again. Plus the Muslim Vote
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  Speaker 2: Organization an electoral threat to labor. Pauline Hansen joins me too,
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  Speaker 2: and of course the Wednesday wrangle.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're putting up with too much from protesters.
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  Speaker 2: There are climate change fanatics, ill informed, idiotic and selfish
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  Speaker 2: climate fanatics wreaking havoc in this country at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: and most of the country seems to be ignoring it.
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  Speaker 2: I think our governments, our police, our courts and our
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  Speaker 2: media are far too forgiving and sometimes actually encouraging towards
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  Speaker 2: the sort of protests that inconvenience other people that stop
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  Speaker 2: other people going about their lawful business. During the pandemic,
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  Speaker 2: we saw overbearing governments and over the top rules, and
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  Speaker 2: we saw them enforced ruthlessly and sometimes even brutally by police.
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  Speaker 2: People were rounded up and pushed out of parks and
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  Speaker 2: off beaches. People were arrested for fishing, arrested for walking
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  Speaker 2: in the park, and arrested for daring to take to
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  Speaker 2: the streets and protest against the unscientific and unfair COVID rules.
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  Speaker 2: Yet now we have the Blockade Australia. Blockheads interfering with
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  Speaker 2: coal trains and export operations in the Hunter Valley around
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  Speaker 2: the port of Newcastle for the ninth day in a row,
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  Speaker 2: and they seem to do it with impunity. We've shown
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  Speaker 2: you a couple of examples this week. Have a look
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  Speaker 2: at the latest sabotage of a train line.
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  Speaker 4: Hi there, everybody, my name is Sky. I'm twenty two.
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  Speaker 4: Are you shar their pronounce? And I am currently.
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  Speaker 5: On a tree set.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how the best convey that angle, but
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  Speaker 4: this is the tree. This is a really gorgeous eucalyptus.
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  Speaker 4: I'm here on one of real country. If you can't
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  Speaker 4: quite I imagine you can't quite see that, but that
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  Speaker 4: is a coal train that stopped. If you see this here,
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  Speaker 4: I'm attached to that which is attached to the coal train,
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  Speaker 4: therefore stopping the coal train from moving. I am here
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  Speaker 4: for climate justice and I'm here to smash the idea
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  Speaker 4: of so called Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, zero intelligence, zero idea, and hating on Australia as well.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just for starters.
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  Speaker 2: Just to begin with, if you really cared about reducing emissions,
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  Speaker 2: then why would you want or extracted from the Earth
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  Speaker 2: and smelted into metal through the use of fossil fuels,
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  Speaker 2: and then refined and refashioned further with the use of
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  Speaker 2: more fossil fuels, just so you could stick a ring
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  Speaker 2: of steel through your nose.
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  Speaker 6: Let's sly.
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  Speaker 7: It sucks.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the continent itself, whatever you won't call that continent,
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  Speaker 4: is a very beautiful place. But it's built on extraction.
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  Speaker 4: It's built on stolen land. The nation state is built
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  Speaker 4: on stolen land. We export nothing but coal, weapons and misery.
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  Speaker 2: Good Lord, wouldn't it be great if we could transport
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  Speaker 2: people like this to China or Russia or Saudi Arabia.
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  Speaker 2: Let them protest the fossil fuel industries there where it
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  Speaker 2: really counts. These protests have caused chaos in the Hunter
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  Speaker 2: Valley and the Newcastle communities this week. Trains have been stopped,
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  Speaker 2: passenger trains canceled, people have been arrested and fined. But
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  Speaker 2: they still keep turning up and perhaps they will keep
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  Speaker 2: coming and until governments and courts start locking them up.
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  Speaker 2: Here's some local television coverage.
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  Speaker 5: Extra resources have been called in, including Pole Are the
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  Speaker 5: Dog Unit and rescue teams. The protests are the work
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  Speaker 5: of environmental group Blockade Australia, targeting coal and the port
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  Speaker 5: of Newcastle.
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  Speaker 8: Quite frankly, I want the police to give them the
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  Speaker 8: full force of the law, arrest them and get them
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  Speaker 8: out of danger's way. Not only are they putting themselves
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  Speaker 8: in danger, but they're putting the good police of New
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  Speaker 8: South Wales in danger as well.
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  Speaker 9: And this government won't have it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so says the state government. But words are cheap.
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  Speaker 2: What are they going to do? Nine days of this
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  Speaker 2: This Blockade organization is deliberately targeting the largest coal exporting
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  Speaker 2: port in the world, claiming it's fighting against ecological and
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  Speaker 2: societal collapse. This is where politicians from labor. The greens
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  Speaker 2: and the tills are actually culpable because they're rhetoric. They're
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  Speaker 2: unconstrained and unscientific. Climate alarmism just fuels this sort of nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they can't talk about a climate emergency one
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  Speaker 2: minute and then criticize people for treating it like an
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  Speaker 2: emergency the next, can they.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, local communities suffer.
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  Speaker 5: The port says its operations are unaffected, but the impact
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  Speaker 5: is being felt by Hunter residents, with more than one
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  Speaker 5: hundred passenger train services between New Ustle and Scone and
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  Speaker 5: Dongog canceled since the coordinated action began.
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  Speaker 6: Pushing commuters off trains potentially to private cars is not
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  Speaker 6: a good outcome.
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  Speaker 1: Not a good outcome, all right.
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  Speaker 2: People, Innocent people, people just trying to go about their
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  Speaker 2: daily lives, can't catch a train because of these lunatic protesters.
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  Speaker 2: So instead they have to use private cars, and lots
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  Speaker 2: of them, so the emissions will be greater. Instead of
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  Speaker 2: electric trains, they'll get around in petrol and diesel powered cars.
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  Speaker 2: Even the protesters, as I showed you last night, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: forget that they need a bit of coal fired electricity.
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  Speaker 10: We are in a climate crisis. Every day. Hang on,
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  Speaker 10: I just have to have a little break and.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure this thorn is charged.
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  Speaker 2: Look, these people are amusing. Sure, they're moronic, they don't
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  Speaker 2: know what they're talking about. Their antics are ridiculous, and
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  Speaker 2: they're too cowardly of course to go to the largest
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  Speaker 2: emitter of greenhouse gases, China and protests there. They won't
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  Speaker 2: even turn up the Chinese embassy and try to run
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  Speaker 2: a protest there either. Instead, they just make life tough
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  Speaker 2: for their fellow Australians. And it's about time police, courts
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  Speaker 2: and governments stood up for law abiding Australians and locked
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  Speaker 2: up these protesters who.
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  Speaker 3: Are intent on creating chaos for others. We know the
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  Speaker 3: authorities can get tough. We saw that during COVID.
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  Speaker 2: I just showed you that it's time to get tough
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  Speaker 2: on the climate protesters. Or is that too politically sensitive?
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  Speaker 2: Storm clouds are gathering again in the cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 2: We talked yesterday about how the Reserve Bank minutes, coupled
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  Speaker 2: with last week's jump in a flow in inflation, have
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  Speaker 2: actually strengthened the case for another increase in interest rates,
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  Speaker 2: perhaps as.
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  Speaker 3: Soon as next month.
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  Speaker 2: And now some more data points to that likelihood, retail
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  Speaker 2: spending was up zero point six percent for the month
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  Speaker 2: of May. That's at least double the increase the market
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  Speaker 2: was expecting immediately. That has led to analysis and headlines
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  Speaker 2: about how this increases the pressure yet again on the
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  Speaker 2: Reserve Bank to increase interest rates to try to force
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  Speaker 2: inflation down. This is the last thing that families want,
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  Speaker 2: of course, another increase in mortgage payments and its political
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  Speaker 2: dynamite for labor. As they tried to get ready for
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  Speaker 2: an election in Parliament, the opposition tried to focus on
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  Speaker 2: how government spending has been fueling inflation.
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  Speaker 11: Why wou'd the Prime Minister admit that he's three hundred
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  Speaker 11: and fifteen billion dollar spending spree.
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  Speaker 12: He's driving homegrown inflation and threatening further interest rate increases
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  Speaker 12: into the future.
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  Speaker 13: Think about this inflation record up into twy twenty two,
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  Speaker 13: wages record down in March two and twenty two. Now
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  Speaker 13: real wages grew more in the past year at zero
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  Speaker 13: point five percent, than they did during their entire ten
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  Speaker 13: years in office.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've never had it so good.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently, according to the Prime Minister, everything that is bad
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  Speaker 2: was worse before. According to labor, and everything that remains
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  Speaker 2: a problem if you listen to this exchange was created
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  Speaker 2: by the other mob.
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  Speaker 12: Of course, why won't the Prime Minister admit that his
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  Speaker 12: decision to let in a record five hundred and forty
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  Speaker 12: seven thousand migrants last year has been a significant reason
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  Speaker 12: for his homegrown housing crisis, and of.
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  Speaker 13: Course the figures that he referred to as what's occurred
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  Speaker 13: under the system that we inherited.
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  Speaker 1: A system were a system that we inherited.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the system that inherited. I know you can feel
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  Speaker 2: it coming, can't you. You're right, because that's just another
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  Speaker 2: way of saying this.
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  Speaker 13: Alboll says is not fensible?
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  Speaker 7: Shitn not she answer for he gets up due he.
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  Speaker 4: Thinks is not not not fensible?
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  Speaker 2: Sh Yeah, all sorts of problems with inflation, with energy,
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  Speaker 2: with the cost of living, with the housing crisis, but
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  Speaker 2: none of it, apparently, is anything that the albanezy labor
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  Speaker 2: government is responsible for.
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  Speaker 3: Makes you wonder what they're doing, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: We won't take our eyes off the United States, where
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  Speaker 2: the speculation about President Joe Biden continues. We all know
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  Speaker 2: he's been vague and forgetful for all of this term,
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  Speaker 2: of course, and getting progressively worse.
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  Speaker 3: But for many in the US, the disastrous debate.
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  Speaker 2: Performance means they can ignore it no longer, they can
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  Speaker 2: deny it no more. The media, the mainstream media, is
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  Speaker 2: finally starting to ask direct questions, and it's awkward.
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  Speaker 14: Does President Biden at eighty one years old, have Alzheimer's
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  Speaker 14: any form of dementia or degenerative illness that caused these
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  Speaker 14: sorts of lapses? And it's a yes or no question.
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  Speaker 15: And if you don't know, why don't you, as one
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  Speaker 15: of his senior staff members know, Guy's.
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  Speaker 7: Are answers for you? Are you ready for it?
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  Speaker 6: It's a no, And I hope you're asking the other
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  Speaker 6: guy the same exact question.
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  Speaker 1: Got to ask the other guy? Apparently, well they did.
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  Speaker 2: Remember Donald Trump took a test and he remains sharp
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  Speaker 2: as ever. We can all see that now the vice
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  Speaker 2: president has had to defend the boss.
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  Speaker 10: Look, Joe Biden is our nominee.
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  Speaker 16: We beat Trump once and we're going to beat him
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  Speaker 16: again period.
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  Speaker 10: Are you ready to meet the country if necessary? I
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  Speaker 10: am proud to be Joe Biden's running mate. Thank you,
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  Speaker 10: thank you.
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  Speaker 1: First time I've seen her speak without laughing.
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  Speaker 2: And how about this, Remember a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: I highlighted how the president.
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  Speaker 3: Was actually taking advice from his disgraced son Hunter.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look as the President tries to boost his
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  Speaker 2: own record on jobs and he cites messaging advice from
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  Speaker 2: his son, and I think you can see straight away
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  Speaker 2: he wishes he hadn't mentioned him.
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  Speaker 17: You know, my son says, go ahead, you know, as
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  Speaker 17: discussions of the Jars to mut you huntless, and he
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  Speaker 17: should said Joe Jars.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised that didn't get more attention at the time.
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  Speaker 2: But now there are reports that Hunter is becoming heavily
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  Speaker 2: involved in trying to ensure his dad runs for a
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  Speaker 2: second term, and may stream media is onto it.
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  Speaker 18: New Tonight, NBC News reports that first son Hunter Biden
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  Speaker 18: joined meetings with the President and senior staff this week
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  Speaker 18: in the West Wing. Reaction from senior staff described as
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  Speaker 18: what the hell is happening? The White House had this explanation.
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  Speaker 6: He came back with his dad from Camp David. He
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  Speaker 6: walked him into the speech prep and he was in the.
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  Speaker 3: Room, walked him in. This is the leader of the
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  Speaker 3: free world.
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  Speaker 2: And the speech prep they were talking about was that
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  Speaker 2: comment about the landmark Supreme Court judgment and there to
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  Speaker 2: help advise the president was his son, the convicted gun
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  Speaker 2: felon and recuperating self confessed crack addict. Now no less
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  Speaker 2: than Kyl Bernstein of Watergate fame is reporting on doubts
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  Speaker 2: about Joe Biden's capabilities.
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  Speaker 19: There have been numerous instances where the president has lost
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  Speaker 19: his train of thought. I can't pick it up again.
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  Speaker 19: There was a fundraiser at which he started at the
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  Speaker 19: podium and then he became very stiff, according to the
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  Speaker 19: people there, as if it were almost a kind of
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  Speaker 19: rigor mortis.
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  Speaker 1: Was riga mortis.
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  Speaker 2: We've been talking about this since before Biden was elected.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, we've been showing how it's often gotten worse
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  Speaker 2: along the way since the early months of his presidency.
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  Speaker 2: The Democrats pretended this problem away for far too long,
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  Speaker 2: and now they're in a terrible bind and it's all
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  Speaker 2: their own doing. Let's catch up with One Nation leader.
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson now joins US live from Canberra. Good to
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  Speaker 2: speak to you again, Pauline. Fascinated today this afternoon, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: to see you sharing a podium with Bill Shorten.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to help Bill Shorten out to.
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  Speaker 2: Try and fix the ndis You've said before that the
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  Speaker 2: NDIS is a scam, So how are you getting along
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  Speaker 2: with Bill Shortened to fix it.
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  Speaker 16: I said that the indios is wasting money taxpayer dollars.
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  Speaker 16: I don't disregard the ends. I think it's a very
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  Speaker 16: important scheme that we have for those people who a
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  Speaker 16: truly in need of it and are disabled, not those
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  Speaker 16: ones who ripping the guts out of it and take
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  Speaker 16: the money from it. I've worked closely with Bill Shorton's
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  Speaker 16: offers since he was elected again to be in the
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  Speaker 16: minister under this portfolio. Now, prior to that, I worked
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  Speaker 16: with the previous two ministers, which I thought they were
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  Speaker 16: absolutely hopeless. Bill short and I have been honest back
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  Speaker 16: about this. Now today he's included me in this. I
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  Speaker 16: want to see changes what he's done in this legislation
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  Speaker 16: I totally agree with. Look, do you know that they're
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  Speaker 16: paying Chris. I'll tell you some things they were paying
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  Speaker 16: for on this NDI scheme, cigarettes, alcohol fuel bills, petrol,
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  Speaker 16: sex toys, pools, pool heaters, finest court costs. This is
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  Speaker 16: what people are claiming, cruises, holidays. It is unbelievable. So
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  Speaker 16: under the part of this bill, in a regulation, you
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  Speaker 16: won't be able to get that paid for under the
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  Speaker 16: NDO scheme. Another part of it is people who run
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  Speaker 16: out of their money the payment, they just won't automatically
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  Speaker 16: get a top up.
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  Speaker 10: Also, what I've been known.
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  Speaker 16: About, Chris, there's people who can get up to an
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  Speaker 16: hourly rate of about one hundred and ninety five dollars.
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  Speaker 10: An hour under NDIS.
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  Speaker 16: Under everyone else, it's around about eighty to one hundred
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  Speaker 16: and twenty dollars an hour. That now has been frozen
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  Speaker 16: so they cannot charge these ridiculous amounts to the general public,
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  Speaker 16: which puts pressure on their vets and also the general public.
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  Speaker 1: It's insane.
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  Speaker 10: This is a start.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to start.
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  Speaker 2: It is insane our taxes paying for prostitutes and sex toys,
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  Speaker 2: for crying out loud and all the rest of it.
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  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, I'm glad you're working with the government Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Sort it out. I've got to get your thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: this new organize the Yeah.
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  Speaker 16: But Chris, also the Coalition has to come on board
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  Speaker 16: with this because they need The Greens are not going
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  Speaker 16: to support this, so they need the Coalition. And I'm
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  Speaker 16: calling on Peter Dutton to actually put your amendments forward,
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  Speaker 16: speak to the government about this.
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  Speaker 10: Get it passed as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, important because.
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  Speaker 16: Every time that goes by, it's another billion dollars down there.
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  Speaker 1: No doubt they will and they have to.
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  Speaker 2: But just remember when they are in government, every time
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  Speaker 2: they tried to fix the NDIS, Labor refused to cooperate
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  Speaker 2: and Labor said that they were trying to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with unfair cuts.
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  Speaker 1: So it is a mess, but I'm glad you're involved
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  Speaker 1: in it.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get onto this electoral issue, and that
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  Speaker 2: is this group called the Muslim Vote. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: probably support candidates against the Labor ministers in western and
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  Speaker 2: southwestern Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: They could be very, very influential.
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  Speaker 2: We've not seen anything like this before from a religious organization.
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  Speaker 2: If you like, what are your thoughts on how effective
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  Speaker 2: they could be.
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  Speaker 16: There's eight hundred and thirteen lars ANGEUS Muslims in the
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  Speaker 16: country now. It will affect the Muslim votes effects about
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  Speaker 16: twenty nine across the country, especially in Sydney and also
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  Speaker 16: in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 10: It will have a big impact.
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  Speaker 16: You've got it in the twenty percent that the Muslim
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  Speaker 16: vote is there in some of these seats. They're going
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  Speaker 16: to target Jason Clair's and also Tony Burke's seat, plus
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  Speaker 16: some others that they're indicated they will.
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  Speaker 10: Now it is great concern.
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  Speaker 16: I think Fatima payment she will actually be kicked out
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  Speaker 16: of the Labor Party should go.
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  Speaker 10: I think they're going.
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  Speaker 16: They'll use her to register at the Muslim Party so
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  Speaker 16: they'll be ready to stand up the next election.
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  Speaker 10: I think she'll be used.
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  Speaker 16: I think she's naive and doesn't know the implications of this.
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  Speaker 16: It is a great concern with the Muslim vote. But
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  Speaker 16: I just hope that people take this seriously and this
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  Speaker 16: his butter Rea that's out there as well as a
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  Speaker 16: terrorist organization. Chris, We've got concerns. I've got grave concerns,
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  Speaker 16: and I've spoke about it in my maiden speech in
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  Speaker 16: twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 10: Look at what's happening in US.
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  Speaker 16: Around the world, and in London and in England, and
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  Speaker 16: see what's happening.
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  Speaker 10: Make sure it doesn't happen here.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to be very careful about it.
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  Speaker 2: And I just point out the heat but Teria is
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  Speaker 2: a legal group in Australia, it's not considered a terrorist group,
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  Speaker 2: but this band is a terrorist organization in the UK
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  Speaker 2: and in a number of Muslim countries as well. Just
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  Speaker 2: before I let you go, are you going to that
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  Speaker 2: shocking Midwinter Ball in Canberra tonight?
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  Speaker 10: No, no, I'm not interested that.
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  Speaker 16: I didn't even know it was on tonight, Chris, and
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  Speaker 16: so you said you asked me about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's the big Insiders Fest. You should go along and
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  Speaker 2: pull the plug on it, because you know they wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: want to be creating a carbon footprint out of the event,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: would they.
• 19:34
  Speaker 10: I'm not entering. No, they wouldn't do that. The Greens.
• 19:37
  Speaker 16: Hey, I wonder which Green's going to turn up in
• 19:39
  Speaker 16: a Palestinian flag dress.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, problems out of that, probably all of them.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good point. There won't be so much climate change.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: It'll be the Palestinian issue. Thanks for joining us, Pullen Hanson.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Pauline Hanson. They're the one nation founder
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: and leader live in Canberra. And yeah, the bigger Midwinter
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Ball is on tonight. It's the Insiders Fest. They raise
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: a bit of money for charity. You'll hear all about
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: that tomorrow.
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the top of the program, there's
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: no sign of the government winning the fight with inflation.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Retail sales figures out today are up zero point six percent, a.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Four month high.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: While the Reserve Banks Board minutes yesterday release will release
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: rest today, and we showed you those. They say if
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: inflation expectations would arise materially from current levels, it could
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: require significantly higher interest rates to bring inflation back to target,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: with adverse implications of course for growth and employment. That
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: meeting was just days before inflation did jump to four percent.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Let me bring in Judo Banks chief economists, that economic advisor,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Warren Hogan in the studio in the flesh, Warren, good
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: to see you. These retail sales figures just add to
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the pressure, don't they for another interest rate rise.
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: Well, they highlight that while soelf, the consumer is not
• 20:53
  Speaker 11: falling in a hole. And of course at the moment, well,
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: my view would be the inflation story is not good
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: enough to keep them on hold, that we're not making
• 21:02
  Speaker 11: enough progress to put this cost of living crisis behind us.
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: But the others who'ld argue against that would say, the
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: economy is soft, but this sort of growth in retail
• 21:09
  Speaker 11: sales shows that the consumer's hanging in there. So yes,
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: it's definitely a tick in the box of a RATO.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: There is a lot of analysis around it saying that
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the reason the retail figures were up is because retailers
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: are discounting heavily. There's end of year sales on and
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: they're desperate to push sales because the economy is soft.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: There what do you make of that?
• 21:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Look, and I did a roadshow after the budget
• 21:30
  Speaker 11: all across the country in May, and the feedback I
• 21:33
  Speaker 11: was getting was that consumer did step down in late
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: April May, and that's the bracket creep, that's the inflation
• 21:38
  Speaker 11: really taking its toll. But these numbers were quite surprising
• 21:42
  Speaker 11: in the context of that. But we've got to remember
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: really the story for consumer spendings ahead of us with
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: these tax cuts and this cost of living relief, it's
• 21:49
  Speaker 11: the equivalent of maybe thirty billion dollar injection into the
• 21:53
  Speaker 11: household sector. Whild you check that even if we put
• 21:56
  Speaker 11: seventy five percent of that into retail spending, we're going
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: to have a significant pickup. No, I'm not concerned about
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: that dynamic. And of course, you know it's one monthly
• 22:05
  Speaker 11: piece of data.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Do you think the interest rates do go up at
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the next meeting of the RBA?
• 22:10
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I think I mean, the point is is
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: that what the RBA board does when they sit down
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: now every six weeks is say, is this level of
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: the cash right the right level to maintain price stability
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: a lie inflation, or at the moment, get it down
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: and then maintain it there. And the evidence that's emerged
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: in the last four months is that it's not. And
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: it's not that it's not four point thirty five, it
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: could be over five, which of course brings submergency to
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: the matter, which means you've got to get on with
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: it because the sooner you do it, the less you
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: have to do well.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you look at it from their point
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: of view, not the mortgage holder's point of view, the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: household point of view, from the RBA's point of view,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: they'll be worried that they get let this thing get
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: out of control, that they've got to act quickly or
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: they'll lose control of the situation.
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: And that was that exact point you quoted at the beginning,
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: was what they're really worried about is letting inflation get entrenched,
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: letting it get away from us, and we end up
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: where we did in the late eighties, where we're chasing
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: it now of course we're never going to go near
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: seventeen percent rates again. But I think the implications for
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: the economy of seventeen and a half percent in eighty
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: nine are like six or six and a half in
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: twenty twenty five.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I remember it well, my first mortgage back back in
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: those days of seventeen percent mortgage rates.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: The big question, the killer question, that's really the big question.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: For politics, that is, to what extent is this inflation
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: bug being driven by government spending?
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: Look, I think the government is not helping, and the
• 23:33
  Speaker 11: answer is it's playing a role, there's no doubt. And
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: the latest start of shows we've got record levels of
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: government spending across all levels. We've had a big structural
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: shift up in the last six or seven years. It's
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: not just pandemic related. And of course, when you're adding
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: demand into an economy that's at its capacity, you can't
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: actually produce any more widgets a GDP, it blows out
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: as inflation. And of course we're going to see a
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: big shot in the arm for household incomes, disposable incomes,
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: and I think people are going to spend it. And
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: I think really the issue is we're probably going to
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: get one or two rate hikes in the next few
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: months and that may start to level the ship out.
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: But if this injection of money from not just the Feds,
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: the Queenslanders.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Exactly, the state governments are all over.
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: Early next year, there is a scenario and midally a
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: low probability one maybe one in five, that they might
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: have to go even further just to have had an
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: election on already rates that they didn't consider what they're
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: going to have to deal with. So I think it
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: was a really risky political strategy. The budget was formed
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: up back in February when it looked like everything was
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: on track and the economy could be weak. But the
• 24:32
  Speaker 11: economy started to come back February May, and now it's
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: looking misguided.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Thanks one, really great to get your analysis, Warren Hogan. There,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: we're going to get to a break on the other
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: side of it.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to catch up.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: We're now businessman and environmentalist Dick Smith his fiery critique
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: of the government's nuclear ban. Let's get back to the
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: renewables versus nuclear power debate. We've spoken plenty of times
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: with entrepreneur Dick Smith. He's taken out an ad in
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper today. Our Prime Minister and Minister for
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Energy Chris Bowen, have been misled by the CSIRO and
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the Australian Energy Market Operator.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: He says.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: No other country has or is planning to operate their
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: energy system entirely on wind, solar and storage. Expect blackouts.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I'm pro renewables, he says, but there is no need
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to destroy the environment to save the environment. Dick Smith
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: joins me again in the studio, congratulations on taking out
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: that ad. You must be frustrated by the argument then
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that some of these salient points are not being made
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: clearly enough.
• 25:39
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it's very very frustrating. What people are not looking
• 25:42
  Speaker 17: at is the damage to the environment with the thousands
• 25:45
  Speaker 17: of wind farms. And of course there's no battery storage
• 25:49
  Speaker 17: provided with the wind farms because if you did that,
• 25:51
  Speaker 17: you couldn't afford the power. And so what I'm trying
• 25:53
  Speaker 17: to point out to the Prime Minister and to the
• 25:55
  Speaker 17: Minister of Energy that wind farms okay.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: But they're intermittent.
• 26:00
  Speaker 17: Put some batteries with them and then you can't afford
• 26:02
  Speaker 17: the power.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the problem, isn't it Now?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: When you talk about the environmental damage we've spoken often
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: to Stephen.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Nilkowski Nawlkowski from Queensland.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I show you some vision here where he's shown how
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: wind farms are along the Great Dividing Range in Queensland
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: are taking out to huge roads being put into virgin bushland.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And this is a graphic he's done up showing where
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: all these wind farms are going in. But each one
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: of them you have roads through bushland and then a
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: huge area cleared to put in the base of the
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: wind farm. And we're seeing this damage now, Dick. The
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: point is to meet this target of eighty two percent
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: renewable every wind.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Farm or wind turbine you see.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Now you've got to multiply it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Multiply that by eight or ten.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: And it's interesting.
• 26:47
  Speaker 17: I've just done a drive out to Birdsville and then
• 26:49
  Speaker 17: down to Adelaide and then across we pass wind farms
• 26:52
  Speaker 17: on the way and they're all sitting dead still. You
• 26:54
  Speaker 17: might have noticed in June we had lots of high
• 26:56
  Speaker 17: pressure systems sitting over you South.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Wales, Victoria.
• 26:59
  Speaker 17: So no wind, no power. So you not need three
• 27:02
  Speaker 17: hours of storage, which I think the CSO have allowed for.
• 27:05
  Speaker 17: You'd need three days or maybe longer.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the problem, isn't it. Now you talk
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: about nuclear as an option. Nuclear power is very dense.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: You have a power station that it can be built
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: where there is already transmission lines and a lot of
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: energy produced in one small location with a small amount
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: of waste and fuel really going into it, whereas renewable
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: energy is the opposite. It's so sparse, it's going to
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: take out so much land and coastline.
• 27:35
  Speaker 17: Yeah, and look the Prime Minister saying nuclear is too
• 27:37
  Speaker 17: expensive for Australia.
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: You've got to be joking.
• 27:39
  Speaker 17: Pakistan and Bangladesh have embraced nuclear now that are really
• 27:43
  Speaker 17: poor companies. They're trying to tell me that they can
• 27:47
  Speaker 17: afford nuclear, but we can't. I mean to me, nuclear
• 27:50
  Speaker 17: is the goal standard for baseload power and we actually
• 27:55
  Speaker 17: have to have it.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: So to sum up your position, you're saying nuclear is
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the better option for the environment.
• 28:02
  Speaker 17: Definitely, you won't have to destroy the environment to save
• 28:05
  Speaker 17: the environment.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Pretty important. Yeah, it is viotal.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: The other aspect of this, though, that I think is
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: absolutely telling, and the opposition coalition need to get onto
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: this strongly. And that is no matter what nuclear costs
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: or how long it takes, we know it works. You
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: mentioned Bangladesh and Pakistan. We can talk about France, Finland,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: South Korea.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Thirty UK.
• 28:25
  Speaker 17: Yeah, thirty country.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Very very successful economies. We know it works and we
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: know it provides reliable power. But the model the government
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: is trying to put into place, but basically solely reliant
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: on renewables and storage, has not occurred in any other
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: country or in the world becaping, and a lot of
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: engineers tell us it can't happen.
• 28:45
  Speaker 17: Common sense says you're not going to be able to
• 28:47
  Speaker 17: do that, it's too intermittent.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
• 28:50
  Speaker 17: I bought a car and this and leaf, and I
• 28:51
  Speaker 17: wanted to be battery operated from the sun. So I
• 28:54
  Speaker 17: bought this huge battery for the garage that worked for
• 28:56
  Speaker 17: ten years. Then the this and leaf battery had to
• 28:58
  Speaker 17: be replaced at ten dollars. Now my big battery in
• 29:02
  Speaker 17: the garage is going to be forty thousand dollars to
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: replace it. So it worked out that monisine leaf being
• 29:08
  Speaker 17: powered from the sun costs twice as much per kilometer
• 29:11
  Speaker 17: than a petrol leaf. So in effect, if you want
• 29:13
  Speaker 17: to go renewables.
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: You have to be wealthy.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Well, look at it this way.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: But when I talk to all sorts of engineers away
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: from politics. They talk about an electrical system where you
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: have to have base load power thirty or forty percent
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: of power that's there twenty four to seven absolutely when
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: you need it completely reliable.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: That used to be coal.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: In the future it could be nuclear. Then on top
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: of that you would have a lot of solar and
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: renewable including domestic on people's houses and factor. But on
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: top of that you would still need gas peaking for
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: when there's high demand or when there's a wind drought
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: of the light you kick in with gas. They are
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: they the three sources we will end up within this
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: country definitely.
• 29:54
  Speaker 17: One day, just as Labor changed its view one hundred
• 29:57
  Speaker 17: and eighty degrees on nuclear submarines, tom My by friends.
• 30:00
  Speaker 17: When I ran ads in the Australian for the nuclear subs,
• 30:04
  Speaker 17: I was told Dick, Labor will never change their mind.
• 30:07
  Speaker 17: You're wasting your money. Then I woke up one morning
• 30:09
  Speaker 17: and what had happened. The Coalition decided on nuclear subs
• 30:12
  Speaker 17: and wait for Labor reversed one hundred and eighty degrees
• 30:15
  Speaker 17: and supported it. Now they'll have to do the same
• 30:18
  Speaker 17: with nuclear power. The longer they delay, the worse it
• 30:21
  Speaker 17: is for our young people.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I think you're right.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I think nuclear power is inevitable for Australia, and I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: think all the logic points to all the logic and
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: all the science points to that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So the longer we delay, the more we're going to
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: hurt people.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Now, are you disappointed to see so much partisan politics
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: around it, given really only it's only a question of engineering.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And economics and the environment.
• 30:44
  Speaker 17: I'm very disappointed with the conservation organizations and the Greens.
• 30:47
  Speaker 17: You'd think they would be objecting to this incredible destruction
• 30:50
  Speaker 17: of the environment, saying no, we're not going to put
• 30:53
  Speaker 17: up with that. They say nothing. But they're against nuclear
• 30:56
  Speaker 17: where you can just have five acres of the nuclear
• 30:58
  Speaker 17: power station instead of thousands of square miles being destroyed.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: That is bizarre when you look at all those wind
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: turbines going up the coast as we've just seen, and
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: they're going to be floating offshore as well.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: If they were mobile phone towers or something.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Else, every green group in the country would be opposing
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: them and protesting against them.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: But now they're just turning a blind eye to them.
• 31:21
  Speaker 17: And as I put in my ad, what they should
• 31:23
  Speaker 17: do to the wind farm to say you have to
• 31:25
  Speaker 17: provide battery storage so you can supply power twenty four
• 31:27
  Speaker 17: to seven. Now they don't do that because you wouldn't
• 31:30
  Speaker 17: be able to afford.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: The power exactly the battery option. It's just unaffordable. Thanks
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: for joining us, Dick.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I love the fact that you're an issues driven man,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: not to party political and it's great to see what
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: you're doing on the nuclear energy debate.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Dick Smith. They're live in the studio. We've got to
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: take a break.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to talk about this
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: latest threat to labor. Senior politicians in Western Sydney revealed.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: We're going to catch up with a mayor who might
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: be entering the fray himself now.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: The Alberneezy Labor government is facing a complicated electoral threat
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: and crucial seats in Western Sydney where senior ministers hold
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: what have been safe seats.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: The lobbying group.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: The Muslim Vote, who is looking to run candidates against
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Labor in seats where the Muslim population makes up as
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: much as a quarter or even a third of the
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: vote in a seat or two, and one local mayor
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: is also threatening to run. Fairfield mayor Frank Carboni is
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: an ally of Independent MP de Lee, who picked up
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that seat to beating Christina Connely last time round.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Carboni joins me live now.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Frank, First, up your own future.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I know you've said you're thinking about running. Why don't
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: you lay your cards on the table. Are you going
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: to run for the Senate as a Western as a
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: representative of Western Sydney.
• 32:56
  Speaker 20: Well, we have obviously I'm working with Day and obviously
• 32:59
  Speaker 20: you're going to government election coming up, so I'll be
• 33:01
  Speaker 20: concentrating on that. And I love my local area, but
• 33:04
  Speaker 20: of course I also see the suffering of people in
• 33:06
  Speaker 20: Western Sydney.
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: People in Western Sydney a doing it really tough.
• 33:09
  Speaker 20: And I think that people in Western Sydney with more
• 33:11
  Speaker 20: than three million people here in Western Sydney and we
• 33:15
  Speaker 20: are really a powerhouse of New South Wales, and I
• 33:19
  Speaker 20: just don't think at the moment there is enough representation
• 33:22
  Speaker 20: for this community who are doing it tough. You know
• 33:24
  Speaker 20: that things are bad when a working couple at work
• 33:27
  Speaker 20: forty hours each every week cannot afford to buy a
• 33:31
  Speaker 20: new home.
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: That's a real problem, Energy prival, all those sort of things.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Yet, so obviously Dianie is going to be able to
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: hang on to her seat in the Lower House.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: She's been a very popular member.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: She's said it a good profile in camera. You're going
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: to run on a ticket with her and represent Western
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Sydney in the Senate.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: If you can get elected, what will you call yourselves?
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: We haven't made the decision yet.
• 33:52
  Speaker 20: What we know that we're doing is actually calling a
• 33:56
  Speaker 20: It's only we're only a very small team.
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: We're independents.
• 33:58
  Speaker 20: We don't have millions of dollars in the bank the
• 34:00
  Speaker 20: big parties, but we've set up a party basically calling
• 34:03
  Speaker 20: Western Sydney Community.
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: It's about the people.
• 34:07
  Speaker 20: When we know that Tasmania has twelve senators, for example,
• 34:10
  Speaker 20: and they have a population of five hundred thousand people.
• 34:12
  Speaker 20: In Western Sydney the population of three million people. So
• 34:17
  Speaker 20: we're calling ourselves Western Sydney Community. We're basically locals, so
• 34:20
  Speaker 20: local Voice for locals and we just want to make
• 34:23
  Speaker 20: sure that we hold major parties to accountable. We see
• 34:26
  Speaker 20: what Die has done. LOCALI has done a great job.
• 34:28
  Speaker 20: I mean, we never know what's going to happen with the.
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: Electorates, so you can't say that Die is going to win.
• 34:33
  Speaker 20: But what we will say is that we will always
• 34:36
  Speaker 20: always keep on working together to make sure that Western
• 34:38
  Speaker 20: Sydney has its representation. So the first step of that
• 34:41
  Speaker 20: is setting up the party name representing your community, making
• 34:45
  Speaker 20: it really clear about what you stand for and who
• 34:47
  Speaker 20: you stand for. And after when the federal election comes up,
• 34:51
  Speaker 20: we're making that decision on.
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: How we run and where we run.
• 34:53
  Speaker 20: And of course the Upper House, so the Senate seat
• 34:56
  Speaker 20: is an option for me and for others as well,
• 34:58
  Speaker 20: so we'll be considered.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: That at the time, right, I want to get your
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: thoughts on this Muslim Vote organization. Big Muslim populations in
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: western and southwestern Sydney. I think Paul and Hanson mentioned
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: earlier there's eight hundred and thirteen Muslims in Australia. She
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: obviously meant eight hundred and thirteen thousand, and hundreds of
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: thousands of those people are in western southwestern Sydney. What
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: is your thoughts if the Muslim communities do vote largely
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: as a block, would that be the end of some
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: of those labor ministers if under preference deals with other parties.
• 35:32
  Speaker 20: Well, I don't think any MP wants a large minority
• 35:35
  Speaker 20: group or significant group to vote as a block against them.
• 35:38
  Speaker 20: Nobody would like that, but my own personal views is
• 35:41
  Speaker 20: and I mean, we are a democratic society and anybody
• 35:44
  Speaker 20: can run.
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: I guess I'm not really a big.
• 35:46
  Speaker 20: Fan of groups running on a religious platform because I
• 35:51
  Speaker 20: think that politicians are there to serve everybody, no matter
• 35:54
  Speaker 20: what their background, or what their religion or what their faith.
• 35:56
  Speaker 20: We shouldn't really be about faith. But that's a decision
• 35:59
  Speaker 20: for them to mate. But obviously it will be challenging
• 36:02
  Speaker 20: any for the Labor Party if you have a group
• 36:06
  Speaker 20: of Muslims running.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: I'm not part of that organization. I'm certainly not part
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: of their campaign. I don't even know who's behind it.
• 36:12
  Speaker 20: But I mean, obviously the more groups run, the harder
• 36:15
  Speaker 20: it is for any sitting MP because it's split their
• 36:17
  Speaker 20: boat way.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: So well, you know the issues and the community values
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: of these areas. Fatima Payment, the Labor senator from Western Australia,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: is obviously a focus at the moment.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: She's expected to.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Leave the Labor Party within days and she could be
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the figurehead, if you like, of a national movement on
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: these issues. And then, of course, animated by the current
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: war in Gaza, the war between Hamas and Israel, and
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: this is the sort of thing that Fatima payment has
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: been saying from the river to.
• 36:48
  Speaker 21: The sea, Palestine will be free.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Now do you think this issue in the Muslim communities
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: in the Southwestern Sydney and Western Sydney.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Will play a role in the.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Electoral politics of the next election.
• 37:03
  Speaker 20: Look, everyone's going to have their own views, and I
• 37:05
  Speaker 20: think different things mean different to different people. But my
• 37:08
  Speaker 20: view is at the moment it's about cost of living.
• 37:10
  Speaker 20: I mean, people aren't really interested in that. The majority
• 37:13
  Speaker 20: of people just concerned about how they're going to put
• 37:14
  Speaker 20: furd on the table and how they're going.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: To put a roof over their heads.
• 37:18
  Speaker 20: I've never seen being so tough out here for families
• 37:21
  Speaker 20: and people in Western Sydney who are paying forty nine
• 37:24
  Speaker 20: cents per leader to travel, and they travel more than
• 37:27
  Speaker 20: anywhere else because quite simply, there is no metros, there
• 37:30
  Speaker 20: is an a light rails, there is no public transport.
• 37:33
  Speaker 20: If people in Western Seas are large families, that are
• 37:35
  Speaker 20: impacting and I don't know about that. I think that's
• 37:39
  Speaker 20: a matter for the Labor Party and how they're treating that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 20: And as I said, I don't like bringing in religion
• 37:45
  Speaker 20: and overseas issues into this country because I think ultimately
• 37:48
  Speaker 20: people just want to fix their own issues up in
• 37:50
  Speaker 20: their own backyard. When we can fix out shoes in
• 37:53
  Speaker 20: their own backyard, then we could talk about other people.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Think, Frank, if you do get elected to Federal Parliament
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: on a ticket in an organization grouping with Die Lee,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I remember her being sworn in and that fantastic Australian
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: flag dress, So I hope you'll be sworn in in
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: an Australian flag suit as well.
• 38:11
  Speaker 20: I'm going to have to get my own suited that
• 38:12
  Speaker 20: what you're saying, look what he can wear a dress
• 38:14
  Speaker 20: or a suit like that.
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to even try and compete. Both doing
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: a great job.
• 38:19
  Speaker 20: And look, I think it's important that local people fight
• 38:22
  Speaker 20: for their local communities and it's all we're trying to do.
• 38:25
  Speaker 20: We're trying to raise a lot of issues and when
• 38:26
  Speaker 20: our communities to be Nicknick.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Frank, I appreciate it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: To Fairfield mayor Frank Carboni there the politics of Western
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Sydney getting more and more complicated every day is going
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: to be a big factor in the looming federal election.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: We've got to take a break on the other side
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: of that we've got Danika to Georgio and Liz Storer
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: in the Wednesday Wrangle. Let's get into the Wednesday rangkle
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: with primetime host Anika the Giorgio standing in for a
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: resident lefty Justin Smith is off the ABC and the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Late Debate co co host Liz Dora joins us. As ever,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: now let's get back to Juliana Sanze. Where were we?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: What I want to do today is just briefly talk
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: about this.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: A lot of speculation about a reshuffle from alban Easy,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: that's what happens winter recess.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: They all disappear for a few weeks.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: He needs to freshen things up before the election. Who
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: would you promote.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Out of that lot?
• 39:29
  Speaker 22: Well, that's the problem, labor of God, right, what are
• 39:31
  Speaker 22: you going to reshuffle? And a lot of these reshuffles
• 39:34
  Speaker 22: end up being just that you get these people who
• 39:37
  Speaker 22: have turned out to be abject values in their current
• 39:39
  Speaker 22: ministry and you give.
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: Them a new ministry.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Throw the cards out way better.
• 39:44
  Speaker 21: But cabinet reshuffles are exercises for governments against the ropes.
• 39:48
  Speaker 21: And after a failed voice referendum, after unprecedentedly high energy costs, inflation,
• 39:55
  Speaker 21: interest rates, the criminal detainees, debarcle. We've now got people
• 40:00
  Speaker 21: smugglers pulling right back up to our border. These guys
• 40:03
  Speaker 21: are against the ropes. But I defy anyone to point
• 40:07
  Speaker 21: to any cabinet reshuffle in Australia's history that has resulted.
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: In better outcomes for the Australian people.
• 40:13
  Speaker 21: This is what governments do when they know they're failing
• 40:16
  Speaker 21: in the polls. And obviously this would be a great
• 40:18
  Speaker 21: opportunity to get rid of O'Neill and Claire O'Neill.
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: I should say O'Neill and March Giles.
• 40:25
  Speaker 21: Would he even do that? Would he use this opportunity
• 40:28
  Speaker 21: to do that? And it's important to note that this
• 40:30
  Speaker 21: is speculation at the moment. He was asked last month
• 40:33
  Speaker 21: whether he would have a reshuffle.
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: And he said no, no, no, no. But I think
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: when it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 21: Comes to cabinet reshuffles, the bottom line is you can't
• 40:40
  Speaker 21: polish a turn very well.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: What I say, surely he's going to shut Andrew Giles
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: off somewhere and maybe push Linda Bernie into retirement, but
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: he can't hide Chris Bowen and what they can't mean.
• 40:53
  Speaker 23: The thing is I've got to say, you know, Andrew
• 40:55
  Speaker 23: Giles has to be the greatest survivor in that ministry.
• 40:58
  Speaker 23: The guy is a failure at every single angle, yet
• 41:01
  Speaker 23: has survived every problem that he has ever been a
• 41:05
  Speaker 23: part of. And I think it was a complete stitch
• 41:07
  Speaker 23: up from the very beginning to put him as the
• 41:08
  Speaker 23: Immigration Minister when as we know, he represented asylum seekers,
• 41:13
  Speaker 23: the AFGAT assylum seekers on the Tampa. It was a
• 41:15
  Speaker 23: complete stitch up from the beginning. They don't have a
• 41:17
  Speaker 23: lot of talent within that cabinet at the moment. There's
• 41:20
  Speaker 23: not a lot of selection. It's going to be a
• 41:22
  Speaker 23: case of a lucky dip.
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: I think you.
• 41:25
  Speaker 23: Get the promotion, you don't deserve it.
• 41:26
  Speaker 10: But look, we've got nobody else.
• 41:29
  Speaker 21: I even had on the back bench, like there's no
• 41:31
  Speaker 21: latent talent that we're like, oh, actually if they just called.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: In it, No, it doesn't work that way. You don't
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: understand the Labor Party.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: They just do a factional the socialist left faction of
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: the right faction.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Who's your next one?
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: Up?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: They're up. I don't think it's going to make much difference.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Let's get to American politics because that's getting very interesting.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: But I want to show you what I showed at
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the top of the program.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: This is Cayle Bernstein, very very famous journalists, very experienced
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: of course, one of the guys along with Woodwood, who
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: broke the Watergates story. And even he seems to know
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: that Joe Biden is not up to what have a.
• 42:04
  Speaker 19: Looked that There have been numerous instances where the president
• 42:09
  Speaker 19: has lost his train of thought can't pick it up again.
• 42:13
  Speaker 19: There was a fundraiser at which he started at the
• 42:16
  Speaker 19: podium and then he became very stiff, according to the
• 42:20
  Speaker 19: people there, as if it were almost a kind of
• 42:22
  Speaker 19: rigor mortis.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: This was said, riga mortars. That's gone. Like the next
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: step is.
• 42:28
  Speaker 23: That's a a whole different step there, Chris Katie. But
• 42:32
  Speaker 23: that's humiliating now for the president though. It has gone
• 42:35
  Speaker 23: above and beyond anything now. And I've noticed the White
• 42:39
  Speaker 23: House have come out today defending the debate and they're going, oh, no, no,
• 42:43
  Speaker 23: he was just having a bad night. There's nothing to
• 42:46
  Speaker 23: see here. It was just simply a bad night. That
• 42:50
  Speaker 23: was more than a bad night. That was an absolute disaster.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Imagine if an airbus pilot had a bad night like that,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: that'd be the curtains. Now I'm going to show grab
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: to you. Lizzie might have seen it before. This is
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi. Have a look at her, and then I'll
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: ask you a question.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: I think my recommendation.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: My recommendation.
• 43:15
  Speaker 24: Is for him to have some interviews a serious journalist.
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: You're among them, a serious journalist.
• 43:23
  Speaker 24: No holds bar, any questions fair and just sit there
• 43:28
  Speaker 24: and be Joe. Show your your your value, show your knowledge,
• 43:32
  Speaker 24: show your judgment, show your empathy for the American people.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi says that Joe Biden should do some serious interviews.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Is she trying to help him or hurt him?
• 43:44
  Speaker 21: There's not going to be any telling problem to president
• 43:46
  Speaker 21: in just one on one cozy sit down. So I look,
• 43:51
  Speaker 21: I think even Pelosi has to realize at this point
• 43:54
  Speaker 21: that it's not a case of if Joe goes, but
• 43:56
  Speaker 21: when Joe goes. I said when they finally did a
• 43:59
  Speaker 21: one eighty on participating in a presidential.
• 44:02
  Speaker 9: Debate, that there was only two reasons for this.
• 44:04
  Speaker 21: Number one to prove to everyone, no, look, he's up
• 44:07
  Speaker 21: for it, he held his own in this debate. Or number two,
• 44:10
  Speaker 21: it was a deliberate crash and burns so that the
• 44:12
  Speaker 21: Dems would have the excuse to be able to ditch
• 44:16
  Speaker 21: and switch, which was the reason why I believe this
• 44:20
  Speaker 21: was the earliest presidential debate in American history. The Dems
• 44:24
  Speaker 21: knew that he would crash and burn. He didn't even
• 44:26
  Speaker 21: seem to be on his regular.
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: Drugs like he did very very badly. And so now
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: given it was the earliest presidential debate.
• 44:35
  Speaker 21: Ever, they've got months now to line up their new candidate.
• 44:40
  Speaker 23: Well, I was going to say, Nancy Pelosi will get
• 44:42
  Speaker 23: her wish, because they've announced today that he'll be doing
• 44:45
  Speaker 23: an interview this weekend on the ABC in the US,
• 44:49
  Speaker 23: So here when we go, I can't remember his name,
• 44:52
  Speaker 23: to be honest, but they're doing an.
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: Interview, So there you go.
• 44:54
  Speaker 23: We might just get that whole debate experience again, except
• 44:57
  Speaker 23: in interview style.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Well, let's hope it's live, and hopefully ABCS smart enough
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: to realize that would be the marketing right.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Do this thing live to wear uncut, because as we.
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: Know, I think that the Dems would agree to that.
• 45:08
  Speaker 21: Though there was a two minute delay on the CNN debate,
• 45:11
  Speaker 21: yes in it.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I was going to move too, because I think the
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: media is so culpable here in the United States as
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: most of the media. They have just pretended for three
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: years that this stuff isn't happening. They have not reported
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: his many failings, and they have even when he's foot
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: fallen over, they've not shown.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: That, and the pretended it's just a bit of bad luck.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Now, finally, at the last minute, because they can't ignore
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: it any more, after the debate, they're asking questions like
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: this of the White House Press secretary.
• 45:43
  Speaker 14: Does President Biden, at eighty one years old, have Alzheimer's
• 45:47
  Speaker 14: any form of dementia or degenerative illness that caused these
• 45:54
  Speaker 14: sorts of lapses?
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: And it's a yes or no question.
• 45:57
  Speaker 15: And if you don't know, why don't you, as one
• 46:01
  Speaker 15: of his senior staff members.
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: Know, he's an answers to you, are you ready for it?
• 46:05
  Speaker 13: It's a no, And I hope you're asking the other.
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: Guy the same exact question.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so sad it's come to this, but it's
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: their own fault, the Democrats and the media. The media
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: should have been asking those questions two and a half.
• 46:18
  Speaker 21: Years ago, indeed, but of course they were playing up
• 46:21
  Speaker 21: to anyone running against Trump, and they've continued to support
• 46:24
  Speaker 21: him throughout his presidency despite the fact that he's clearly
• 46:28
  Speaker 21: been failing his cognitive decline even since he was elected
• 46:32
  Speaker 21: in twenty twenty.
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: Between then and now is marked.
• 46:36
  Speaker 21: And they've finally come to the party, and now everyone's
• 46:38
  Speaker 21: just going as if you didn't know.
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: I mean, they're acting shocked to.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Be like, oh my gosh, I knew.
• 46:44
  Speaker 22: This man seems to have some sort of dementia.
• 46:48
  Speaker 21: It's just absolutely laughable. And what people need to remember
• 46:52
  Speaker 21: is they lied to you. They lied to you this
• 46:54
  Speaker 21: whole time. This was disinformation, not misinformation. They did it knowingly.
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: It was a massive cover up. And he's finally exposed.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the good news is he's getting advice from
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: a recovering crack addict.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this piece from NBC.
• 47:11
  Speaker 18: New tonight. NBC News reports that first son Hunter Biden
• 47:15
  Speaker 18: joined meetings with the President and senior staff this week
• 47:19
  Speaker 18: in the West Wing. Reaction from senior staff described as
• 47:23
  Speaker 18: what the hell is happening? The White House had this explanation.
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: He came back with his dad from Camp David. He
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: walked him into the speech prep and he was in the.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Room, Delika, that's extraordinary.
• 47:36
  Speaker 23: Of all the people, all the paper, you can take
• 47:39
  Speaker 23: advice though, I wonder if a one crack addict is
• 47:41
  Speaker 23: passing on to Joe Biden what sort of drugs he
• 47:44
  Speaker 23: should be taking to try and prop himself up, because,
• 47:47
  Speaker 23: as we saw in that debate, the drugs kicked in.
• 47:49
  Speaker 23: They kicked in about halfway through. We started off as
• 47:52
  Speaker 23: a space cadet.
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: But suddenly he sort of medical the medication.
• 47:56
  Speaker 23: Started kicking in. I mean, I wouldn't say it worked.
• 47:58
  Speaker 23: I'm not saying it worked. It slowly the machine, the
• 48:02
  Speaker 23: oil started ticking as that debate went along. I wouldn't
• 48:05
  Speaker 23: be taking any let's be honest, advice from somebody like
• 48:08
  Speaker 23: Hunter Biden. He wouldn't be certainly dishing out the best
• 48:11
  Speaker 23: advice to the President of the United States who is
• 48:13
  Speaker 23: desperate to try and recover and make his image look
• 48:16
  Speaker 23: better than it's completely betre.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: What's an interesting take the medication kicking in, because the
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: things that surprised me most about the debate was that.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: He was worse at the start.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: He had the complete train wreck at the start, and
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: he actually managed to improve a bit throughout it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: Maybe that's what the two minute delay was.
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: It doesn't take long to.
• 48:35
  Speaker 21: Administer some drugs, and they're.
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: Pretty fast acting Nowaday.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Thanks for wrangling again. This will be back at ten
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: o'clock with the late debate.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Denika will be back Friday night, and I'm going to
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: be back tomorrow night.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Coming up next is Peter Kreitlin.