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Patriots Catch-22 9/16: Week 1 Overreactions, WR Room, Steelers Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch-22 podcast with Evan Lazar and
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  Speaker 1: Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Evan Lazar.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Evan Lazar. I'm Evan Lazar.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Nailed it.
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  Speaker 2: Joined, as always, by our bar.
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  Speaker 1: That's a kick. That's a match.
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  Speaker 2: No risk it. No risk it. 42. Here is Evan
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 1: Add one more as well, and it's the Patriots versus
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  Speaker 1: Seattle Crows.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very you key matchup.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but it's true. Like, I've mentioned this before,
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  Speaker 1: and it's gone understated because of the Gonzalez stuff and
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: Travion Henderson being hurt and all that. Like, penalties are
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  Speaker 1: never good, obviously. You really can't be giving Seattle any
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: extra yards in this game, especially on offense. They have
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: to stay on schedule. They didn't stay on schedule last
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  Speaker 1: year in the Super Bowl. It allowed that Seahawks pass
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: rush to really get going and get creative and mix
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  Speaker 1: some things in that the Patriots didn't necessarily have counters to.
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  Speaker 1: We saw them do it midway through camp. They're going
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  Speaker 1: into the bubble and blasting the music. They've been preparing
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: for this for months.
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: Are you calmed down? Can we start the show?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to be calmed down.
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  Speaker 2: Are you still losing your mind?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, he's still losing his mind.
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  Speaker 2: He's not calm. We're at like an 11 to start
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  Speaker 2: the show. Let's get it down to like an 8.
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  Speaker 2: Can we do that? I like energy.
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  Speaker 4: We want energy. We just don't want.
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  Speaker 1: You should have seen me when I was still in
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  Speaker 1: the car.
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  Speaker 2: We just don't want.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us what happened?
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't we give.
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  Speaker 2: Some context to what the hell I'm talking about? That's
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  Speaker 2: what you're saying. Alex had a bad, a bad traffic morning,
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  Speaker 2: bad commute this morning, which is we were like one
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  Speaker 2: minute late. We really were that late.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that the traffic was bad. It's that. And look,
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  Speaker 1: when I'm late and it's my.
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  Speaker 2: Fault, everybody loves this topic all on up to it
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 1: All on up to it. What time did you text me?
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  Speaker 1: I left before you texted me. I was in the car.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say it was around 8.50, 8.55.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought I got in the car at 8.45.
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  Speaker 1: You texted me at 8.58. That's about right. So I
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  Speaker 1: was in the car at 8.45, 8.50. I live in Quincy.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw there was some traffic, the GPS. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm like, all right, do I have time
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  Speaker 1: to go slow? It said if I leave now, I'll
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  Speaker 1: be in the parking lot by, like, 935. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: all right.
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  Speaker 4: You can't do that. You can't trust that.
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  Speaker 2: Clearly.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, what do you mean clearly?
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  Speaker 1: Shame on me for trusting the technology. So then I
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  Speaker 1: got on the highway, and the time started to tick up,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, go this way, get shorter. And then
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  Speaker 1: half the streets are closed. Half the streets. Well, then
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. I'll start leaving at
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  Speaker 1: 5 a.m. I don't know. I've left late before. I've
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  Speaker 1: been a lot better about it. I've left late before.
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  Speaker 1: It's been my fault. I'll own up to it. I
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  Speaker 1: gave myself plenty of time this morning. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what the hell people are doing out there on the roads.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel bad dumping on it because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if there was an accident, somebody got hurt, and
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  Speaker 1: I'd feel bad.
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  Speaker 4: I tried to warn you.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get the guy that's going.
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  Speaker 4: To get guy got to leave.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get the guy that's going like 40
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  Speaker 1: on the highway when you're next to the truck. And
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  Speaker 1: so you can't get around either. It, Listen, man. I've
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  Speaker 1: been there. We've all been there. We totally get it.
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  Speaker 1: You know me. I'm a pretty positive guy.
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  Speaker 2: Would you say? That's true.
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  Speaker 1: I can't stand traffic.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell. Especially when it's like not... You were
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  Speaker 2: literally screaming in the hallway. I was like, Alex, the
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  Speaker 2: volume of your voice is excessive.
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  Speaker 1: The last thing I want to hear after I sit
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  Speaker 1: in that is get blamed for it.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it is kind of your fault.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean? I'm going to leave at 6 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to leave at 6 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: Next week.
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  Speaker 4: You're just making a bunch of excuses.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm going to leave at 6 a.m. next week.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I left at that time. You left at 8.15 or 8.45?
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  Speaker 2: I left at 8.45.
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  Speaker 6: And what's like no traffic at all from here to Quincy?
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  Speaker 1: 20 minutes.
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  Speaker 2: 25 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: It's 25 minutes, no traffic. 25 minutes, no traffic. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How long have you been living in Quincy? I live
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  Speaker 1: right on the highway.
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  Speaker 2: How long have you been living in Quincy?
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  Speaker 4: This whole time.
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  Speaker 1: As long as you've been doing that. I left at
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  Speaker 1: the time I leave most of the time. And I
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  Speaker 1: usually get here like 25 minutes before the show.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Is that true? I don't know. Is that true?
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  Speaker 2: When the show's at noon or when the show's at 10?
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  Speaker 4: When it's at noon, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: When it's at noon, maybe. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's all my fault. Whatever.
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  Speaker 2: We live in Everett, right? As all you guys know.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a little bit of a commute. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to lie to you. It's not right around the
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  Speaker 2: corner from Foxborough. So, I mean, I'm out of my house.
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  Speaker 2: I think I want to say I was out by
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  Speaker 2: like 8 this morning.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You got, I, I, I, that's two full hours. You
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  Speaker 2: got to give, you got to really, you can't trust
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  Speaker 2: the GPS. That's for sure. Like the GPS is giving
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  Speaker 2: you an estimation based on time.
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  Speaker 1: Even last year when I left at that time, when
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  Speaker 1: we were doing the show at 10, I still got
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  Speaker 1: here on time.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So I, I don't know. Now I'm getting called fat
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  Speaker 1: in the YouTube chat. Like it just, what, what a start.
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  Speaker 1: What a, what a freaking day. What time is it?
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  Speaker 1: 10 AM.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I've still got like eight hours to go at least
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  Speaker 1: until I'm done for the day.
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  Speaker 4: What else you got?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure you want to take a
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: victory lap on Josh Allen because Kamari Lasseter can't hold
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  Speaker 1: on to a freaking ball.
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  Speaker 2: There we go. We'll get to that. We'll get to that.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 4: That's in our week one over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, enough. I do want to make a show announcement
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  Speaker 2: before we really get into this because we're not going
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  Speaker 2: to have a lot of time moving forward for this show.
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  Speaker 4: Town foolery.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you got this last punch.
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. We're not going to have a lot of
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: time for this tip-tapping around because we are changing the
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: schedule to Catch-22 to accommodate the media schedule for the Patriots.
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Open locker room, press conferences, practice availability under this new
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: regime with Mike Rabel. Everything starts and happens around like
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  Speaker 2: the one to let's call it three o'clock hour. I
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: would say open locker rooms usually around one fifteen. So
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  Speaker 2: it's right smack dab. in the middle of Patriots unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: So Patriots unfiltered would be 12 to two and Mike
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  Speaker 2: Rabels at one open locker rooms, one 15 practices a
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  Speaker 2: little after two. So this is a very inside baseball.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that. Uh, but the whole point that I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to make is, is that we were in direct conflict, uh,
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  Speaker 2: With the covering of the actual covering of the team.
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: So we're accommodating. We're moving around a little bit. So
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: this show and I'm excited about this element of it.
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: This show is going to be twice a week from
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  Speaker 2: now on after today. Tuesdays and Thursdays, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: be from 10 to 11 twice a week. So, uh,
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: we normally break the show up into a hour blocks. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: we do a recap of the previous game in the
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: first hour preview, the next game in the second hour.
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  Speaker 2: So now instead of doing it in one, two hour show,
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: we're just going to have two, one hour shows to
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  Speaker 2: do that. So I actually think that this will be
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: better for the show. It's a, you know, logistically a little, we,
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  Speaker 2: a little bit But I think it will actually be
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  Speaker 2: better to have two shows a week, essentially, versus same
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  Speaker 2: amount of time on the air, but two shows a week.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to have starting Tuesday of next week,
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  Speaker 2: 10 a.m., 10 to 11, catch 22 hour and Thursday
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  Speaker 2: the following week as well. Catch 22 hour, 10 to 11.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll make a million different announcements about that. But
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to get that. right out of the
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  Speaker 2: way in the beginning of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I know it's some people have asked about, um, I,
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: I did. I think people maybe wanted like two hours
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  Speaker 1: twice a week, so we can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: Not yet.
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  Speaker 1: Not yet, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, Fred, if we show that we can.
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  Speaker 1: This is just for the season, right? This is just
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  Speaker 1: in season.
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  Speaker 2: So off-season, I'm assuming we're going to go back to
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  Speaker 2: Wednesdays in two hours, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's good because we... I mean, how
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: many times do we get to... We want to break
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: down the game. We get to like, oh, shoot, there's
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: 10 minutes to go on the show.
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  Speaker 2: And we haven't talked about it.
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  Speaker 1: And we haven't talked about it. So now we get
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  Speaker 1: a dedicated show... The previous game.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: What are we going to do for Thursday Night Football?
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: Are we going to do a show on Friday? I
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: guess we'll figure that out when we get there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, like when they play on Thursday. Yeah, we'll figure
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: that out.
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  Speaker 1: No, this will be good. I know some people have been...
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: asking about basically since we started doing it. So yeah,
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: it'll be cool.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be good. It'll hit your podcast feed twice a
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: week as well. So it's not like you won't hear
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: from us, you know, for a week and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: So I think overall it's a, it's a good change.
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: I know you're going to have to come here on
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: Tuesdays if you want to, you know, you're already, you know,
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: complaining about this morning and everybody, you know, feels bad
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  Speaker 2: for you for today's show. Now all the housekeeping and
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: bookkeeping is to the side. We're going to take it
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  Speaker 2: seriously from here on out.
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  Speaker 4: For today's show.
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: I thought about doing the good, the bad, the stuff
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  Speaker 2: that gets you beat, but it's been a week since
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: they played that game. It feels a little bit like,
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people, especially the way the
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: game ended, kind of want to move on from the Seahawks.
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: I've talked a lot and you've talked a lot about
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks over the last seven months. We feel
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: like it's the only team in the Patriots we've talked about.
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: So what we're going to do is we're going to
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: do week one over reactions.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: We're going to start with Patriots stuff. We have six
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: or seven of those Patriots things. Then we're going to
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: get into a couple of league wide stuff because we
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: did get to watch the slate of games last week.
• 9:38
  Speaker 4: So on Sunday.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: So we're going to do some league wide trends and
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: topics as well. But we're going to start Patriots, of course,
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: before we get into all of that. one last sort
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: of a housekeeping item. We have not been on this
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: show since AJ Brown got hurt and got put on
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  Speaker 2: injured reserve. So I wanted to do the news first
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: of that and just. two part question with AJ Brown,
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: for those that don't know, I'm sure you all do
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  Speaker 2: know that. Listen to this show. He's on injured reserve.
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  Speaker 2: He has to miss at least four games. Some of
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: the reporting for me and wrap a port and others
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  Speaker 2: is that it might be closer to six weeks. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to call it a four to six.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just add to that too. Just logistically. If A.J. Brown,
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  Speaker 1: in theory, could go after four weeks, so that's the
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  Speaker 1: Jets game in week five.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Their next game is a Thursday night game. Against the Bears.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So to have a guy come back from that injury
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  Speaker 1: and play twice in five days is a big ask.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously, which game would you rather have him for?
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  Speaker 1: The Bears game. They should be able to beat the
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  Speaker 1: Jets without him.
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  Speaker 2: They should.
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  Speaker 1: So I, you have doubts about them beating the jets.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no, but I just feel like after last
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  Speaker 2: week's game, everybody thinks they're going Oh, and 17.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, if, if you, well, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: either way. If you have to, if he can't play
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  Speaker 1: both of those games, if you need to ease him
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: back in, You maybe bring him back to practice the
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  Speaker 1: week of the Jets game so he can start getting
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  Speaker 1: ramped up, not activate him, and then bring him back
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  Speaker 1: for the Bears game. So logistically, it might just be
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  Speaker 1: five weeks either way.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's, does he play in that Bears game?
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  Speaker 1: What's the, and then it's at Miami's the week after
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: the Bears, right?
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: It's Miami and then the Packers, so. So we'll see
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  Speaker 2: exactly when AJ Brown gets back. As of right now,
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: we know he's not going to play against the Steelers,
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars, the bills and the Raiders. Those four games
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  Speaker 2: is definitely out based off the rules with injured reserve.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a two part question. One, is
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  Speaker 2: can they survive this? A four-plus game stretch without A.J.
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  Speaker 1: Brown.
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  Speaker 2: Two is, and this is more of the Catch-22 topic,
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  Speaker 2: how do they survive this without A.J. Brown? So I
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  Speaker 2: think the difference between this injury and maybe some of
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  Speaker 2: the injuries that they did withstand last year. And I
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: know everybody says they didn't, no one got hurt last
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: year for the Patriots. Will Campbell, Milton Williams, both got
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: hurt last year for the Patriots. It happened after they
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: had already racked up 10, 12 runs. They were already
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: well on their way to the playoffs at that point.
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  Speaker 2: So they, it wasn't as impactful in that regard because
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: they had some insurance built in.
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  Speaker 1: Sean booty also missed some time last year.
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  Speaker 2: So this is different. They're an early season injury to
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  Speaker 2: AJ Brown. Um, Can they survive this? And how do
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  Speaker 2: they survive this?
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: Well, some of it goes to what we're going to
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: talk about in the buy or sell thing. But, you know,
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's putting more on the plate of Matt
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: Collins is a big one. And I like Matt Collins.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: I think Matt Collins has been an underrated player, and
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  Speaker 1: I think he can do a lot of the similar
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  Speaker 1: things stylistically that they were asking A.J. Brown to do.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not to that level, but the big body contested
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  Speaker 1: catch receiver, a guy you can trust throwing the football
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  Speaker 1: to in tight windows. Is there a receiver on this
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  Speaker 1: team Drake may trust more than Matt Collins?
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  Speaker 4: No, I think we all.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Every, you know, in the press box on last Wednesday
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: night on that fourth down play, Fred and I turned
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  Speaker 2: to each other who they're going to, Matt Collins.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we saw it. How many times did we
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: see it in that two-minute drill in training camp, right,
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  Speaker 1: that they'd run at the end? There was always... You
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: could bank on.
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  Speaker 4: That deep dig to Matt Collins.
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: One or two deep intermediate to deep end cuts to
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  Speaker 1: Matt Collins, and they ran it in the game.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So... Now, the thing about that is we all have
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: these players. Everybody listening is going to know their version
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: of this, their player they're thinking about. It happens in
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: all sports where you have a player you like who
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: does well in a rotational, little more limited role. And
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: you're like, man, if only he got more chances, he'd
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: be really good. And then he gets more chances and
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I get it now. Like he succeeds
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  Speaker 1: specifically in that role. Do you have a player that
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  Speaker 1: comes to mind when I say that?
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  Speaker 2: Give it to me again.
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  Speaker 1: That player that doesn't play a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't play the most.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, but he's good. He's good in
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: his role. And you're like, oh, man, if they just
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: gave him a bigger role, he'd probably be really good.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: And then they give him a bigger role. And you're like, OK,
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: that's why it was like he was good in that
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: very spot. Who's your guy?
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: I think everybody listening knows. I know exactly what you're
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: talking about. I don't know if I have one off
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: the top of my head.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: It could be any sport. This happens in basketball all
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, but exactly. Like, where I was going, and I'm
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: not sure this is totally fair, was basketball, and I
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: was going Peyton Pritchard.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Peyton Pritchard's a great example.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: Perfect sixth man.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: One of the best in the league in that role.
• 14:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: When they put him in the starting lineup, it doesn't
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: go as great. And you're like, man, if he played
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: 35 minutes a game, it would be sick. And then
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: he plays 35 minutes a game, you're like, okay. Mine
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: is obviously Kendrick Bourne. Yes. I'm still kind of convinced
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: So are the Green Bay Packers, apparently.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: The Packers?
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: He's on the Packers now.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: I thought he was on the Cardinals.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: No, he's on the Packers.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Or is it.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, wait.
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: Which LaFleur is he with? Maybe he's with the Cardinals.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on the Cardinals. I was going to say,
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: I was watching the Cardinals game the other day and
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: I saw him.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: I knew he was with the LaFleurs.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: He had eight for 75 in the opener. Maybe he can.
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: I knew he was with the LaFleur.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: I forgot which one it was. Him and Jacoby Bursette.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Anyway, we all have that player, right? Yeah. So... Is
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: that what Matt Collins is? Does Matt Collins, you know,
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: have these great moments because it's just in that moment
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: he's not carrying a full workload, or can he carry
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: a full workload? So that's going to be a question.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Kai Williams. Kai Williams is absolutely going to be part
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: of this, too. I don't think I see some people
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: turning this into, this is Kai Williams' chance. And I'm
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: not saying it's not at all. I think it's going
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: to be mostly Matt Collins. So... You know, do you
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: believe Matt Collins can step into what he played about?
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: I think it was just about 50% of the snaps
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: last year.
• 15:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: And most of those are run plays.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: He played a lot. Like, he played more than any
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: other receiver on the team. I think it was him
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: and Keishon Moody.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: And people talk about this tell with Matt Collins on
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: the field. They're probably going to run. Yeah. Maybe this
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: helps get rid of that tell.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Because he's probably just not going to come off the
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: field now.
• 15:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: And then the other part of it, and again, we'll
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: get to the buy and sell. They have another big.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: wide receiver addition from this off season. You hope you
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: can lean on it. Romeo Dobbs. And part of my
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: questions with Dobbs were, well, he's going to kind of
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: be in a new role. It seems like they want
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: to use it more over the middle as a chain
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: mover on some of these option routes. And that didn't
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: go great early in camp. They moved him back to
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: the outside. He started doing better. And it was like,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: it was great, but AJ Brown's already doing this. How
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: many chances is he going to have to play that way?
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Now they need a guy that can do what he
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: was thriving at. So maybe that helps him. The opener
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: was a little worrying to me. Again, we'll get into it, but.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: So to go back to the question, can they handle it?
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: They should be able to. I think between Dobbs, Hollins,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: and Kyle Williams, it should be enough. It won't be
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: as good. That's not saying that they're going to be
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: the greatest show on turf without A.J. Brown, but I
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: see some people saying, well, they just got a room
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: full of practice squad receivers.
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: No.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: They should have more talent than that. This is, without A.J. Brown,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: a representative NFL wide receiver room. It is on paper.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Let's see if Dobbs can bounce back. Let's see if
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Matt Collins can handle a bigger role. Let's see how
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Kai Williams does with some more chances. You're dealing with
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: some more unknowns now, for sure. But I don't look
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: at it and say, like, oh, they're screwed. They don't
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: have enough.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Well, it would be disingenuous for me to sit here
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: and say, Now they're screwed without AJ Brown. After all
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: training camp long, I talked about how deep they were
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: at wide receiver and how much talent they had at
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: that position group to the point where they traded Keishon booty.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: And I thought it was justifiable to trade Keishon booty.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: So now this is the worst case scenario that, you know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: that's everybody, the Keishon booty people are going to come
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: out now and say, see, should have kept Keishon.
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: It's just, you can't, build your roster like that.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: You can't expect AJ Brown to get hurt in the
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: first half or it was really the first early third quarter. Yeah.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: He played one half is my point essentially now. So
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say that because I think that
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: they still have enough talent at that position. what it
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: does to me is it doesn't necessarily impact the floor
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: of the offense. It impacts the ceiling. Right. So like
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: their ceiling would offensively was higher this year than last
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: year because they had AJ.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Brown and Romeo Dobbs.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Right now.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they're, ceiling can be that high
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: anymore without AJ Brown, but I still feel like they
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: should be a representable passing offense, even without him. So
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think the floor, you know, bottoms out here,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: but I do think that their ceiling is impacted quite
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: a bit by not having.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I think the other thing it does, and this is
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: to the floor ceiling thing. It puts more on Drake May.
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Like there's already a lot on as we're going to talk.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I know it wasn't a great opener for him, but like,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: superstar quarterback, MVP candidate, whatever, like go make the guys
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: around you better. And he's now lost. Kayshaun booty was
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: trusted receiver. To me, the real second guess out of
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: that game is not trading booty. Cause if they, even
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: if they have Kayshaun booty, that whole game, I don't
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: know how different that game goes. The guy they missed
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: was digs, Stefan digs, like he's down Stefan digs. And
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: now he's down the guy that felt like was his
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: most trusted receiver going into this season and AJ Brown. So,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: sales Hunter Henry Ramondre Stevenson too. I think they're going
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: to have to be a lot more involved in the
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: passing game.
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Especially Henry.
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: It, it puts more like it just puts more on
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Drake made LV.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: So the other thing, and I agree with you with
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the Matt, Matt Collins, Romeo Dobbs, pop Douglas, I think
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: is going to be your top three receivers. So I
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: agree with you that Kyle Williams, I'm not sure that
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: his role changes now, maybe he gets more targets because
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: they have to You know, the ball has to be
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: funneled somewhere and maybe the ball finds him more as
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: a result of this. But I still feel like Kyle
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Williams is playing the 20 ish snaps a game that
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: he's going to probably play. Even if AJ Brown is healthy. Now,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: what I do wonder about a little bit, is, And
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: it kind of hurts because he didn't, maybe he practiced
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: in this role before the AJ Brown trade going all
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: the way back to the spring. Romeo Dobbs played a
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: lot of X in green Bay. Now we talked a
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: lot about when they made the addition, how X in
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: green Bay is not necessarily the same as X in
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: new England and the condensed formations and the way they
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: run their offense. You know, there's a lot of tight
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: splits where the receivers are really in a condensed to
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: the formation. So maybe it's not quite the same as,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: you know, you run out to that outside the numbers
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: over here on the boundary and run routes, but in
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: green Bay, he ran a lot of backside one-on-one type
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: of routes. There was a lot of different things that
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: he would do with the Packers, mostly in breaking routes,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I would say, but also fades and, you know, catching
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: the ball, you know, high point in the ball, which
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: we saw in training camp a lot. So I do
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: wonder if, to allow Mac Collins to continue to run
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: as that flank or that move piece, especially in the
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: run game where they move them and put them in basically,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: you know, a tight end alignments and stuff like that,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the block and the run game. Do they allow Mac
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Collins to continue to do some of that stuff by
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: having Romeo Dobbs really play the X a lot more?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: That probably would mean, you know, Matt Collins and Romeo
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Dobbs are your base receivers in 12 and 21 personnel.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: When they go to 11, you get pop Douglas on
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the field. You know, he plays in the slot and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you go from there. But I would say Matt Collins
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and Romeo Dobbs kind of platooning the X receiver spot
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: is where I sort of see this going. And then
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: a sprinkle of Kyle Williams, just like you were expecting before.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: The difference is, is that Romeo Dobbs was really projected
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: to be in that digs role, that chain mover type
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: of role as the flanker. Now he might have to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: play a little bit more on the outside and permanently on.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: The outside might be good for him. Cause he didn't
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: have a great game in that day. But at the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: same time, like AJ Brown's going to come back and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: then what happens?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Right. So that, that's a big part of this as
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: well as I think Dobbs is involved in this whole
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: thing too, in terms of the X receiver and all
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that good stuff. But again, I, I think they have
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: enough to withstand this. especially they will play at some point,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: they will get into an easier part of their schedule.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: You know, we mentioned coming up, it's a little bit
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: tough with Jacksonville and Buffalo back to back to, you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: potential AFC playoff teams, but Vegas, the jets, the dolphins,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: those teams start to get in there and like the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: October part portion of the schedule before AJ Brown gets back.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I think you feel a little bit better. about this team.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Once you get through that stretch, let's get into the
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: week one overreactions. This is my, what my favorite part
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: of week one is that everybody just jumps to these
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: crazy conclusions, right?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: This week one is exactly what the season is about.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: What everything is.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I get it. it was seven months off from football.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: We're all starving for football. You finally get something new
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: to watch and digest and talk about for the Patriots.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: They had 11 days off in between games. So too many.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: So that was a big part of what all of
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: this is as well. But I think that we all
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: know that Eventually, most likely, and there's always one or
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: two outliers, like the Patriots last year were a 4-13
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: team that won 14 games. For the most part, though,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the good teams become the good teams and the bad
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: teams become the bad teams. That's usually how this water
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: finds its level eventually. So I want to go week
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: one overreactions because we kind of like to blot people
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: on the show a little bit, especially me. We like
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: to well actually people a little bit on this program.
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I have, uh, like I said, I have a handful
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: of Patriots ones and I also have some league wide
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: ones that I hope a couple of these will get
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Alex going. He's already fired up about the traffic. So, um,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: that this will be good, but let's start Patriots. So
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: these are buyer sales. So I'm going to present the
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: topic and you're going to tell me if you're buying
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: it or you're selling it in terms of believing it
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: or not believing it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: First one, we start.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: With Drake May. Opposing defenses have figured out Drake May.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: There is now a blueprint against Drake May. We know
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: what the numbers have been the last five games, two
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: of those against the Seahawks. But is there now a
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: blueprint against Drake May? And has he been figured out?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, in the sense that it's not unique. It was
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the blueprint on Mahomes for years. It was the blueprint
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: on Allen for years. It's the blueprint on a lot
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: of these guys. Take away the big play. make them
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: go on an eight, 10, 12 play drive without making
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a mistake, without getting impatient, make them do that for
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the whole game. Cause most of these young quarterbacks can't
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: do it. Like that was, that was the big change for,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: for Alan was when he figured out like, I'm just
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: going to take the checkdowns all day. And then eventually
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: teams will adjust and start coming up and then you
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: can start hitting those big plays again. And that's exactly
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: what Seattle did and made didn't.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And you know what?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: It was the book on him last year. And that's
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: what made that game so jarring. That's what he did
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Yeah. Like, he didn't take the bait.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And it's, wow, this guy kind of feels like he's
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: ahead of his years because they're trying to bait him
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: into mistakes. He's not making mistakes. He's getting down the field.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: The offense is getting down the field without making mistakes.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: They're going on these, you know, 10-play scoring drives, and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: it's fine. And then I don't know what happened in
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter of that game. He just, he got,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I know what happened. He got impatient. I don't know
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: why in that moment that happened. But, so.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I feel like the way you phrased that question, it's
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: like a Drake May specific thing. So the answer is yes,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: but it's not Drake May specific. This is what, because
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: it used to be, no duh quarterbacks could do that.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Back in, you know, our prime football watching years, Brady, Manning, Rogers, Breeze, Roethlisberger,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: like whoever. You couldn't let him check you down all day.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: They'd kill you.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: And so defense has had to play more aggressive and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you had more of this chess match of hunting the
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: big plays. These new quarterbacks that base their games solely
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: off athleticism and arm strength. They just want, they want
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: to hit the big play. They want to get the highlight.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: They want to get on social media. They want to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: get talked about on ESPN.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Don't want to be a check down Charlie.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So you dare the guy, Hey, we're going to put,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: we're going to play quarters. We're going to put all
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: these safeties back here.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. Go ahead.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Throw to the running back 10 times. Bet you won't. Yeah.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Throw to the tight end in the flat 10 times.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Bet you won't. Do it all without committing a penalty.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And most of them can't do it. And it's kind
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: of unbelievable. Drake May was doing it for most of
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: last year. I kind of thought the book on him
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: would change because he had started being consistent enough. But no,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: like this is what teams are going to do now.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: They're going to dare the Patriots offense. Go ahead. March
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: down the field on us in 10 plays without making
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: a mistake. and without getting reckless and without losing patience
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and do that. All right. You did it once. Fine.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Do it six times in a game. Can you, can
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: you guys handle doing that without a deep ball? And like, that's,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that's going to be the book. And he's going to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: have to prove again that he can be patient. And I,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I know this is not what fans want to hear, but,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: he's going to have to prove that he can be
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: patient and monotonous and calculated. Yeah. And that's the only
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: thing that's going to open up those deep windows again.
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I'm glad on, on Monday that Mike Frabel used the phrase,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: we can't get bored.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Because I think that collectively we can't get bored. I
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: think that we analyzing the game, the fans watching the game,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Drake may playing the game, Josh McDaniels calling the game.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: None of us can get bored. And look, I get it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: The way that Drake may played for three quarters on
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: last Wednesday night was a slog. It was not sexy.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: It was not fun. It was not Drake. Drake may
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: may from last year.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: It was none of those.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: But you know what? It was going to be enough
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to win the game.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: It was 10 to nothing.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Right. They had the game in here. They had control
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: of the football game. He was managing the game. And
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I know that that, again, I know it's not exciting football,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: but that's the way that these teams are forcing him
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: to play. You don't need style points.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: This happens.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: This happens with young quarterbacks paired with a newer offensive coordinator,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels and Drake may from really October to December
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: last year, lit the league on fire. They went scorched earth,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: the deep balls, the X plays. They were hitting explosive
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: plays at the highest rate in the NFL. Drake may
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: as deep ball was being completed at the highest rate
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: in the NFL.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: What happens?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: These smart defenses, these smart coaches, they watch the film,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: they analyze their tendencies. They spend the entire off season
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: looking at not only what are Drake may and Josh
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: McDaniels doing so that we can defend it, but also
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: what are Drake may and Josh McDaniels doing so we
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: can steal it, right? So we can maybe do some
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: of those things on our offense. So this has been
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: the whole league. And I think, you know, you mentioned earlier,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Some of the tells that they have personnel wise of
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Mac Collins and these other things. Well, when everybody is
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: hyper analyzing your tape in your offense, these things start
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: to get exposed a little bit. I looked this up
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: just anecdotally because it just, I wanted to have this
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: number in my back pocket. The giants have Patrick card.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Now they're full back. One of the best fullbacks in
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: football followed John Harbaugh from the Ravens to the giants.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: on was it Sunday night, right? Sunday night football, guess
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the percentage of plays that Patrick Ricard was on the
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: field for that were run place.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, hi. 75%. Yeah. 75%.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: So it was a little bit lower than Reggie Gilliam.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Reggie Gilliam was over 80%.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: But the point I'm trying to make is, is yes,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: when you put the full back on the field, you're
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: going to run the ball. When you put your blocking
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: wide receivers on the field, you're going to run the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: ball more times than not. That's not new. That's not
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: something that's different about the Patriots compared to other teams.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Now, I think it's also, I mean, the Super Bowl
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: run in 18, what was the run pass split with
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Sonny Michel versus James White? Like, McDaniel's offense isn't based
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: on that. The deception comes after the snap, right? Oh,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: they're going to run with Matt Collins so the defense
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: can stop it. Well, are they going to run gap?
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Are they going to run zone? Are they going to
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: run to the left? Are they going to run to
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the right? Are they going to run inside? Are they
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: going to run outside? Are they going to pull a line?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Are they going to, like, you know, it's not the
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: same in the past game, right? It's all these option
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: routes and things. It's about execution. It's about execution. And
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the reason that they lost that game was the quarterback
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: didn't execute to a high enough level. Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: So back to the blueprint thing. Cause I do think
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that this is there. They are seeing a very distinct
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: type of defense and you broke it down kind of
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: grandly big picture in terms of, you know, check it down,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: make them take the underneath, make them stay patient. So
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: over this five game stretch, so they'll playoffs last year
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and week one against Seattle, they're seeing a 52% split
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: safety coverage rate, two high safeties that's covered two quarters
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and we'll get to it, the infamous cover six, right?
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Those three coverages, 52%. If you had put that five-game
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: sample in the entire season last year of 17 games,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: that would have been the highest split safety coverage rate
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, higher than what teams are playing against Cincinnati,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: what teams are playing against Josh Allen, what teams are
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: playing against Mahomes. So 52% split safety coverages. So that
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: is very clearly... We are putting a umbrella on your offense.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: We are not going to allow Drake Mays deep ball
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: to win this game. The second thing that they're doing
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: and stay with me, because this is very next Jenny.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: So next gen stats tracks, how deep the safeties align
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: at the snap on every single play. The Patriots are
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: seeing safeties in this five game stretch line at 12.8
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: yards off the ball, almost 13 yards off the ball
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: at the snap. The league average last year was a
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: full yard less than that. It was 12.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: So.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Devin McCordy used to say this all the time about
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: bill Belichick's mindset, GT FB, get the F back. That
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: is how teams are playing Drake may in the Patriots
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: offense right now. The safeties are on Mars. They're all
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the way back there. There are two high safety shells.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: They're clouding the number one receiver. So whether that's Keishon
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: booty or AJ Brown in the first half, they're making
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: sure there's a safety over the top of that number
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: one receiver. So they're taking away the deep ball. And
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the only ways out of that are two different ways.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Take the profits.
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Take the other knee stuff in the passing game. The
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: second thing, and this is where I want to get
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: to my second overreaction.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Is the run game.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: You have to be able to run the ball against
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: too high.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: If you're going to see too high at this kind
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: of rate and their structure rate in terms of pre-snap
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: is sick over 60%.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Their coverage rate is 52%.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: So everyone's just playing them in this too high shell.
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: If you're going to see this, you can't be 26
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and rush EPA. You can't, you're, you're running the ball
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: into favorable numbers. You should be at least in theory.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I'll give you one more. 0.35 yards before contact per carry. Yeah.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: So the league, that was what they were in the opener.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: It was the fourth lowest in the NFL this week. League-wide,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: last year, the worst team in terms of yards before
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: contact per carry was the Browns at 0.59. No other
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: team was below 0.7. Only five teams were below an
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: even one. Patriots at 0.35. They were at 1.6 last year. Yeah.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So to your point, it's not like... the running backs
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: have nowhere to go.
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: It's not about the backs. It's not about the play calls.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Like they did not block it nearly well enough up front.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's guys not playing in the preseason, Reggie Gilliam,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the line, whatever you can't, there's zero incentive for a
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: team to even think about bringing one of those safeties
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: back down towards line of scrimmage. If they're not going
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to need them in the run game.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So in this game, Let's just get to the
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: second overreaction because then I don't want to empty the clip.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: This is all the same stuff.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of criticism coming out of this
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: game about Josh McDaniels' play calling. I think the word
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: conservative gets thrown around a lot about how they approach
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: this game. The other thing that, you know, just specifically
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: that people harp on or the 16 first down runs.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: So they ran the ball on first down 16 times.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: They only passed it 11 times. They ran the ball
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: at 2.6 yards per carry on those 16 runs.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Not good.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Not, not good. A lot of two or three yards
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: in a cloud of dust and a lot of going backwards. Frankly,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: there was a couple of TFLs there week one overreaction.
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: First part, did Josh McDaniels call this game too conservatively?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: No, I don't... Look, it wasn't a perfect game plan.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Could have mixed up what they were doing on first down.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: The people who wanted them to abandon the run, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: even the Seahawks talked about this after the game. If
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you just give up on the run and say, we
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: can't run the ball, we all think that the offense
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: line did a great job of pass protection. Yeah. Part
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: of that is... They had the rushers had to be
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: ready for the run. And if you, if you know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: they're just as a rusher, they're just going to throw it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about gap integrity. You don't
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: have to worry about getting too far upfield. You don't
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: have to worry about, you know, now as a defensive
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: play call, you're more free to call twists and stunts
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and those kinds of things. Cause you're not really running
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: those line games in a run situation. Cause you're vacating space.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: You don't want to do that. Like, the run game
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: is such a powerful tool to help with pass protection. Yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: So if like, well, they were throwing the ball fine,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: just a bit in the run. Well, part of it
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: is because Drake had time and the run game was
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: a part of that. So the other thing I think
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: people are just missing and it's crazy because it's been what?
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: 20 years. Josh McDaniels is a game plan play caller. Yeah.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Remember the game plan week one last year. Did we
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: ever see that again?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: No.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: So I think he did what that game called for.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: If that's their game plan for 17 weeks, uh, I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: would say, yeah, he took too conservative of an approach
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to the season.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: And you know what?
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: There might be something to be said for having a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: similar game plan this week because of the challenges the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Steelers represent. It's a very good defense, but I expect
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: them to open it up later in the year. It's just,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's what that game called for. And if
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: May doesn't lose his mind late in that game... They win,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: and it looks brilliant.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: So, I don't know. I think McD... Was it... Are
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you sending the game plan to Canton? No. Was it
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: a game plan good enough to win the game? Yes.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Is that all that matters? Yes. There's no style points here. Well,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: they didn't put up 30-some points. They needed 16 to
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: win it.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: They needed 14 to win it.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: That's true. They needed 14 to win it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: It's fine by me.
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be the case every week, and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to call every game like
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: they need 14 points. When they face the Chargers, Justin Herbert,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: when they face the Bears with Caleb Williams, I'd expect
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: them to have a more aggressive game plan. That was
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the other thing I heard some people say is, well,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: once the backup quarterback goes in, why don't you go
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: for the kill shot? No, it's the opposite.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Don't throw the game away.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Don't give Drew Locke extra chances. Make his margin for
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: error as thin as possible. You're not going to make
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: any mistakes. Make him play without mistakes. It's when you
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: play Caleb Williams in Justin Herbert and Patrick Holmes, you
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: have to say, all right, we got to take some
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: risks here because the other guy's going to make some
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: big plays and we need to make some. Yeah. No,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: you play conservative against the bad quarterback. You play risky
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: against the good quarterback. Let's not get that twisted.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: So I think that the thing that you said there
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: that I wanted to piggyback off of, remember when we
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: did the play caller rankings. I think it was Ted
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Wynn who came out with them.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, let me get that quote.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And McDaniels was the top play caller. That was an
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. The rest of them, those guys were head
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: coaches in the NFL. He was the first coordinator listed
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: in the top 10. And the quote was that McDaniels
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: calls plays to win the game, not to put up.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily call the game to have the best offense.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I give him a lot of credit or sorry. I
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: feel like Josh and it's the bill Belichick influence. He
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: calls the game to win the game. A head coach
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: said he doesn't necessarily call the game to have the
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: best offense. I give him a lot of credit for that.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Co and this is new in coaches universally agreed that
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the notion of McDaniels calling games to win them with
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the notion that of McDaniels calling games to win them.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: He understands situational football, and that's not always the case
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: with elite play callers.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: So I think that that's what happened in this game.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: He called and scripted the game in the way they
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: thought they had to play to win the game.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: And what's crazy is some people think that's a bad thing.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: So they think it's a bad thing because they only
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: scored 10 points. And I think this is where it comes. Who,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: who was, but this is where play calling analysis to
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: me is the, is why I kind of hate this conversation.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And it irks me because everybody just bases everything off
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: of the result. Right. Average 10 points are 2.6 yards
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: per carry on 16 first down run. So the, the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: approach must've been bad. They only scored 10 points. So
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the approach must've been bad.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: But who's who. So to which I would say to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: those people, who's more responsible for that Josh McDaniels or
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Drake may in the offensive line. Yeah.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, clearly the execution on the field is more
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: responsible when they threw a pick at the Seattle 45
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: yard line on the first one. And then he threw
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: a pick at the Seattle 16 yard line on the
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: last one in both those situations, you know, the 45
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: yard line and the pick to Dobbs, if he checks
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: it down to kinder in the flat and they just
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: take what's there, they're probably kicking a field goal on
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: that drive. And it's 13 to three, right. You know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: at the end of the game, they're probably kicking the
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: field goal and going to overtime. So, like, those are
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: points that are being left on the board in situations
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: where they were nearing or in scoring territory. So, yes,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I think the approach I had no problem with because
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: of the things you talked about with the balance in
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. And you take out play action passes
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: and screens and stuff, just straight drop back passing game.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Drake may drop back 47 times.
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: And the Superbowl and the offensive line got its lunch taken, right?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: They got beat up. They got battered. It was a 52%
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: pressure rate in the Superbowl. It was no contest. It
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: was not close in this game. They only dropped back
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: past 32 times. So 15 times less than I did
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: seven months ago, they came into this game. I believe
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: with the approach of we cannot let the Seattle pass
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Russian defensive line, take this game over.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Right. Like they did in this, by the way, correct.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: They could not allow that.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: We're going to run the ball. We're going to commit
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: to the run. We're going to stay balanced with the run.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: We're then going to script max protect play action passes
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: off of this run game. So they had six, seven
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: guys in blocking.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: One, they've tried to push the ball down the field
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and take those shots. They were often nub formations where
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: there's nobody on one side of the formation. It's just
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the tight end on that side of the formation. And
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: they had seven guys blocking. to try to push the
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: ball down in the field with two and three receiver
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: route combinations. The last thing they did with those split
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: back formations that they had were Henry and Ramondre Stevenson
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: were in the backfield. All of these things are done
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: as a concerted effort to control the pass rush. That's
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: it running the ball, the formations that they were using,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: they were doing all those different things and they were
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: managing the game. They're right.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: They're keeping the game on their terms and under control.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I think seven months ago, One of the biggest criticisms
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I had coming out of that Super Bowl, and if
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: you think that we're apologizing and making excuses for McDaniels,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: go listen to the show after the Super Bowl where
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I had a laundry list of things that I thought
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: they did wrong offensively in that game from a coaching perspective.
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: They were arrogant seven months ago. They said to Seattle
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: seven months ago, our passing game's elite. Your pass defense
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: is elite. We just think we can beat you.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: And they got... their butts kicked. Let's call it what
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: it was. They got destroyed. They got their butts kicked
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: in that game. So this game, they took a totally
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: different approach. They ran the ball. They stayed balanced. They,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: they passed protected differently. They had different answers for some
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: of the things that Seattle was throwing them blitz wise.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: And it only scored 10 points, but they had control
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: of the ball game. It was 10 to nothing.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Deep into the third quarter, they had control of the
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: football game until the Romeo Dobbs interception that flipped the
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: entire momentum of the game. they dominated time of possession.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: They possess the ball for nine minutes more than Seattle
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: did in this game. They ran 19 more plays in
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks did in this game.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: So they played the game.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: They went the way that they thought they had to
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: play the game to win and Drake made through the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: game away.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: That's what it was like. I, and so I will
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: defend McDaniels on that regard. Now, The second part of
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: this McDaniels week one overreaction is, has his offense become outdated?
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Is it, you know, are they not creative enough offensively? Oh,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: how do you feel about that? Because I do on
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: that side of the street, I might be more with
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the masses, but I want to hear what your opinion
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: is on it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: They scored how many points per game last year?
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Up almost 30, right?
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: And that ranked what in the NFL?
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Who do they play?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: But we've talked about it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I agree with that, but that's what everyone's going to say.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I've said this for a while. The week's schedule was
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: a bunch of teams with representative defenses and bad offenses.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: What were they last time McDaniels was the OC? Did
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: they have top 10 offense?
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: In 2021. Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good offense. They did, yep. The Cam Newton years COVID,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: that's weird. I get it. Before that, he had Brady,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: but the results are there, and people will point... It's funny,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: he doesn't put up a lot of points in a game.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: It'd be, oh, he doesn't score enough. And he puts
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: up a lot of points and you get the who
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: do you play. So I'm sorry he's not putting up
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: 50 burgers on the Seahawks and the Texans and the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Broncos and the elite defenses in the league. Is that
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the bar? He's going to have to keep looking if
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: that's the bar. You're going to have a new offense
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: coordinator every year if that's the bar. Like the offense
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: shows up when he's the coordinator every year. That's the
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: reality of it.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: They have a solid floor with him as the offensive coordinator.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Is it super new-agey?
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: No.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Now, some of that super new-agey stuff sucks, too. How'd
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that Seahawks offense look?
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: New coordinator. First-time call.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: He's one of these new-agey guys, right?
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: They also lost their quarterback.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: This is a side topic, and I texted you this.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: I just played devil's advocate.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I texted you this right when I had to. I
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: don't think there's... I think drew locks, one of the
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: better backups in the league. I'm not, you are a
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: big drew lock.
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's at, and credit to my dad.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: My dad actually had a really good take during the game.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: See how rare that sounded.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Like he was like, well, no, cause I don't bring up.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: My dad a lot, but then my dad is admittedly
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: more of a basketball guy. He texted me and my brother.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Like when it became clear that it was like drew
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: lock was going to finish the game that Darnell was out.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Did the Seahawks have a sneaky advantage because their quarterback
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: actually played in the preseason?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: And say what you will about locking that game. It
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: was up and down. He looked comfortable because he played
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: some football, but that's a side. But the point is.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: He didn't make any catastrophic mistakes. He looked comfortable, which
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: when you are a quarterback that comes in as the backup,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: that's the number one rule, right? The number one job
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: is to not, is to not turn the ball over
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: and give the game away.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: And against that secondary did him like, You know, so,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: but that's, I don't want to turn this into me
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: defending Drew Locke because it's going to go to, the
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: argument's going to go, I do like Drew Locke. But
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the point is, like, the offense shows up every year
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: that he's the OC. And maybe it's not the most
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: fun rewatch on tape on Monday. You know, people maybe
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: want some more jingling keys. They want Efton Chisholm going
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: in motion three times before the snap. I don't care.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: It works. It's proven to work.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Does the run game work?
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: So it's proven to work in the big picture on
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: the run game. That is my, again, I don't think
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: it was a perfect game plan. Mix up some more
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: of those first down runs, especially when it's not working.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: And it get, that is where I go to. Was there,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: was there something and that you would know better than me?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Was there a schematic issue in that game for they're
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: not being able to run the ball or could they
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: just not get it blocked to me? It just looked
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: like they couldn't get it blocked. They couldn't get a push.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: They couldn't get off the ball. Seattle was pushing them
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: back at the line of scrimmage. Every time there was
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: an instance or two where I thought Ramond or Stevenson
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: had a hole and ran into alignment, the third and
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: five at the end of the first half. But for
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the most part point, for the most part, I just
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: felt like there was really no room to run. The
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: rushers were in the backfield and, I don't know if
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: that's a schematic. It doesn't matter what kind of run
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: you call if the blockers can't get hands on the
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: defensive linemen. Maybe you saw something differently. To me, that
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: was the bigger issue, was they just couldn't get it blocked.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: So I agree with you in the sense that in
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: a vacuum of this game.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Seattle has the best run defense in football. They were
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: the best run defense in football last year. And they're
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: treading light. They're going to be the best run defense
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: in football this year. Uh, Leonard Williams, Byron Murphy, uh,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: those guys are dogs inside. Like they are just, uh, stout,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: difficult to double team, difficult to move off the line
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: of scrimmage. That's why they can play all this too
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: high safety shell and stop the run is because they
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: have dudes up front. Nwosu is, is a wrecking ball
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: on the edge. You know, when you try to block
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Nwosu with a tight end, it is tough sledding, man.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Like that, that guy brings a, a hammer and a
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: hard hat every single day. Now with that being said,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I think that the gripe that I have with them
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: offensively with McDaniels is nothing to do with the approach
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: to the game. Like we just discussed with the play
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: calling since the start of last year, there are 26
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: in the league and EPA per rush. I'm going to
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: keep harping on that number. They really haven't had, I
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: texted you this yesterday. They have not had a top
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: 20 rush EPA offense since Mac Jones's rookie year.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: It's does five years ago.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: So, Well, that's only two seasons.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: If you're talking about McDaniels.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, but in general.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: The Patriots, yes.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I've been watching Patriots football for half a decade run
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: into a brick wall.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Look at you caring about the run game.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Well, if they're going to play you like this.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: So the run game to me, like you, you misunderstand my, my, my,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: or I don't think you misunderstand that. You just tease
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: me about it. My whole thing with the run game
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: is that there needs to be a means to an end.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not running the ball just because we got
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: to be big and we got to be tough and
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: we got to run the ball. No, there has to
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: be a reason schematically. for you to be running the football,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: you know, whether that is run action to set up
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: play action, whether that is teams playing you in these
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: two high safety shells, and that's what they're giving you.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: So my whole thing with McDaniels, and we can talk
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: about the X's and O's of why I think this
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: is happening is that since the start of last year,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: there are basically a bottom five rush offense in the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: league efficiency wise. You know, they had some big runs
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: last year and Vrabel mentioned this.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: So it's consistency. They can break the big runs, but
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: there's really not nothing in between.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: There's they aren't taking enough. like two and three yard
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: runs are not becoming five and six yard runs. And
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: that's what they need to do more of. So one
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: of the things that you mentioned is like, they just
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: didn't block it. Well, right.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: So some of that aligns with, and just again, trying
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: to find the point. And this isn't about McDaniels now,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: because he wasn't even here. They also just had, uh,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: That timeline of having the worst run game also lines
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: up with them having one of the worst offensive lines.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Sure, I understand that. But Alex, I didn't have gray
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: hair yet. We were talking about five years ago in
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: football terms. You've had gray hair as long as I've
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: known you. That's like five years in football terms is
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: a lifetime.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. It's a problem.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: It's a long time.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: But here's why this is different to me. And this is, again,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: my question to you.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: They.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they couldn't run the ball in 24. Their offensive
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: line was also horrible.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: They couldn't run the ball last year either.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: When their line was better but still had issues. They
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: go out. They get Elijah Ver Tucker. They get Reggie Gilliam.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: How'd that go in week one?
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: So that's what I'm asking you. Was this a continuation
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: of those issues or was this something else? I can't.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: And is this line maybe in trouble when it comes
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: to blocking the run?
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I can't sit here and say that it's not a
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: continuation because this is exactly what happened last year. And
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: if this is how it's like, imagine Drake, new players,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: you have a better left guard. You have a better fallback.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: To me, it's schematic. And this is what I'm trying
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: to get to. Like to me that there it's, there's
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: a little bit of it. That's schematic. Like I understand.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I don't want to lose, you know, the forest for
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: the trees or whatever that saying is.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: And just say, you know, it's yes.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: The blocking and just getting guys blocked is like square one.
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 51:03
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Now, I think the other thing though, is, you know,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: really two things. One, you know, variable comes out on
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Monday and just says the quarterback needs to can the runs.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Like he needs to change the play. They're running the
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: ball into an unblocked safety, like three or four times.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Julian love is just unblocked at the point of attack.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: So that's pre-snap that that's Drake may recognizing their numbers.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: And it's just counting.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: It's literally just, we're sending five blockers this way and
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: they have six defenders standing over there. We don't have
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: enough hat count.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: It's not, you know, really it's no more complex than that.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: The other thing is, and I know that you, you know,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I harp on this a lot, but in week one,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: they were 29th in the league in motion rate 29th.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: And I think that motion is, has a bunch of
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: different layers to it that it helps with motion. I
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people think, okay, you're motioning a
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: guy in or out to move a piece, right? Defensively.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Like if it, if they follow them in motion, that's
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: one less guy you have to block. If you motion
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: the guy into the formation to block somebody, now you
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: have that guy covered up. But what it also does
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: with motion is create angles in the run game where
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: you are giving guys more favorable angles to, uh, fit
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: a block. So when you're trying to get up to
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: the second level, or you're trying to block the nickel,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: or you're trying to stretch run or whatever the case
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: may be, you're allowing a head of a head start,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: first of all, which can be helpful because you're getting a,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: you're getting a train roll and you're getting that head
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: of steam to get into the block. But you're also
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: maybe creating more of a favorable leverage or angle into
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the fit, into the block. So it's not just moving
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: chess pieces on the board. It can also be really
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: advantageous in terms of changing angles and changing formation strength
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: and all that good stuff as well. So last night
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I was watching the Jaguars.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Offense.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: And Liam Cohn, I think right now, uh, other it's
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: probably him and Kyle Shanahan, I'd say as the two best, uh,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: run game coordinators in football, maybe Ben Johnson, those.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Guys are really good at it.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: And when you watch this Jaguars offense, Liam Cohn will take,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: they ran a lot of two tight ends. He'll take
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: one tight end. He'll motion into the backfield. Now we're
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: in a, now we're in like a two back formation
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: with a full back reading. Then he's going to take
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: the other tight end and he's going to flip them.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: He's going to put them on the other side. Now
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: we're changing the formation straight. now when we snap the ball,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the one guy's the other guy, he's going to come
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: across the formation and he's going to crack the end
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: on the other side, right? There's just a lot of
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: window dressing. There's a lot of eye candy. There's a
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: lot of things in pieces and things that the defense
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: has to react to. Whereas when I watched the Patriots
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: offense and the numbers back this up, I mentioned, you know,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: 29th in the league in motion rate in week one,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: it is a lot of just kind of, we're going
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: to turn around and run right at you. And if
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: you have a great offensive line, you can do it
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: that way. if you want to try to really help
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: the offensive line and help the tight ends and help
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: the fullback, I think you need to be a little
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: bit more creative and a little bit more wrinkly in
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: terms of how you do it. Now, if that's not
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: in their bag motions, if that's not, if they don't
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: believe in that and there's reasons not to believe in it,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: if they don't believe in it, you know, they have
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: to do something else to leverage something against the defense.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: They're not, this isn't the 1990s Cowboys that they're just
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: going to be able to lined up and blow people
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: off the ball. I don't think that they have the
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: personnel yet, run-blocking-wise, to be able to do that. Is
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: it incorporating Drake May in the run game? You know,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: using him as a lever so that the defense has
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: to account for him in the box. Is it... something
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: different that I'm missing that allows them to leverage against
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: the defense a little bit more in the run game.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: So it's not just, we're running duo right up the middle.
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: You know, cause that's not going to go very well.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think for this team. So if I had
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: a nitpick of McDaniels, that's it. They need to find
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: ways to run the football.
• 55:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: They need to be more creative running the football. They
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: need to be more efficient running the football. We'll see
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: if they're able to do that. But I'm I that's
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: where it starts with me. Like when you watch with
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: all these good rush offenses, whether it's, you know, the,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: the bears, the Jaguars, the Buffalo bills, I have a
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: great run game. Now it's all this different deception and
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: misdirection pre-snap. Like there's just guys, I candy everywhere. And
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: that's how you crease guys. Like that's how you create
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: these angles. That's how you get guys blocked. So I
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: think that that's changed a lot in the run game.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, it hasn't changed. It's like cyclical. Like, right. Honestly,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of things that they're running are like kind
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: of wing T like it's like going back. It's like
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: back to the future with their running.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: You're talking about these other teams. Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Like they're running a lot of stuff that teams, when
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: you only ran the ball, like Navy back in like
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: 1930 and 40, uh, Otto Graham and the, and the
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns like that, this is what they were doing.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: So you're saying Josh McDaniels often should be more dated, right?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: In a way, in a way. Yeah. Like, you know, I, I,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: I think that this is just, that's where my kind
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: of McDaniels criticism comes from is, you know, they ran
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of duo in this game, uh, you know,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: gap duo, just man blocking, just blow them off the ball.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Like that's hard to do.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: And you're just going right at defenses, especially good defensive lines.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Like that's a tough way to live. That's a tough
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: thing to ask the blockers. So I think they do
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: need to be more creative in the run game. Um,
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: And Durant. There you go. That's it.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: They have to run the ball better. I mean, none
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: of it, again, I don't think the game plan itself
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: against Seattle is that bad, but it makes a lot
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: more sense if you have success running the ball. If
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: they can't run the ball better, then it becomes a
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: bigger conversation.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: All right. Next one here. We've got to move a
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: little bit faster. We took a while on those.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have like 10 of these, right?
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: I wrote down 10. Maybe we don't get to all
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: of them.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: No, we'll get to all of them.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: The Patriots have a Romeo Dobbs problem after a lackluster performance.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Buy or sell, overreact, not overreact.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: So I talked about this before. I think with A.J.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Brown going out and him getting to do some more
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: of that deep ball 50-50 stuff, it'll be a little better.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Although I really did not. It wasn't a great throw
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: from Drake on the first interception, first and foremost. You'd
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: like to see Dobbs fight for that ball more. he'll
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: be back in his natural position, which will help. No,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about where Romeo Dobbs at. Didn't
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: love him saying after the game, he's not locked in. Um, I,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: my questions about him for sure.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: So I was small to see concerned about Romeo Dobbs
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: in training camp. Then he started Moss and guys all
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: summer long, you know, not all summer long, but towards
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: the end of summer, the thing that I saw with
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: him though, that gave me concern was like, he was
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: thinking too much through it and it was slowing him down.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Like he wasn't playing fast because he was too much
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: on him mentally. Um, And in this game, I felt
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: kind of the same way. Then he has the drop
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: where they scheme him up and he's just wide open
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: on that crossing route.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: He drops it.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: And then it kind of felt like his body language
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: just went down from there. So I think that he's
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: one of those guys that needs confidence that needs to
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: feel it. It needs to get the juices going. So
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: targeting him for the first time, That interception was, I
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: believe was his first target that maybe the drop was
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: the first target.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: It was in the second half of the game.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: So targeting him for the first time, I think it
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: was the drop is earlier in the drive for either
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: for the first time in like the late third quarter
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: of the game. He's the type of guy to me
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: that is a rhythm player.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: No, that wasn't his first target.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that was his first target.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: No, because the interception was before that. Because that was
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the play before his second interception. So then the interception
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: was the first one, which was literally the drive before that. Yeah.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: So we're talking about deep into the second half.
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: So.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: They need to get him going earlier in the game.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: I think you give him a couple of targets and
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: he gets a couple of catches under his belt on
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: the first couple of drives of the game. I think
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: we saw it all summer long. It sort of started
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: to stack for him where he was just getting better
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: and better and better as the confidence grew and grew.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: So I think this is a little bit on every
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Like I, I'm not saying to force feed the ball
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: to Romeo Dobbs, but can they get him some easy, uh,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: sort of open receiver type of things. You run them
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: in a stack, run them in a bunch, you know,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: give them a package of plays where they're getting him
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage and just getting him some
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: easy completions and just get them going, you know, get
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: them going. I don't think that he's, I'm not concerned yet.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Like I'm just, I think that they need to take
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: a different approach with it. And then let's see where
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: it goes from there.
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: But I mean, he's obviously got to be open to
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: do that too. There was a play. A lot of
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: people brought it up. I think it was early in
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. It got a lot of buzz because
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Pop is coming over the middle, and he's about to
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: clear the safety, and if May lobs it up to him,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: he's going to catch it. He's going to run forever.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Do you know what play I'm talking about?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Do you remember what May actually did on that play?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Do you remember what they actually ended up doing? No.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: So May doesn't see Pop, right?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: He rolls a little bit to his left, resets. Oh,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: and he tries to hit Dobbs. Dobbs on the return route.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: And.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a non-competitive throw. I don't know there's
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: a way to make a competitive throw with how well
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Dobbs was covered.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: That was the Diggs play last year. He had that
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: play whenever he wanted it.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: And I just think that's a play they need Dobbs
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: to make. Because that, again, even when Diggs wasn't having
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: a great game, that little six-yard return route at the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: sticks to move the chains was always there.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: But we talked about this in the summer. Like, that's
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: not Dobbs' game.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Well, whoever's running that route, like.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: Dobbs is more of a vertical plane receiver.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: But if he wants to get early volume targets, that's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: the best way to do it.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: But I think that that speaks a little bit to usage, right? Like,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: to me, his route tree is like a slant, a dig,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: and then fades.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: But that's where it starts. If that's his route tree.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that's the only thing.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I know, but if that's his route tree, and that's A.J.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Brown's route tree.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why I said after training camp that
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like their best approach is basically to have
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: two X receivers.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: But somebody's got to do that quick hitter stuff.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: That's supposed to be your slot receiver. That's supposed to
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: be like Pop Douglas.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: I think we both have a similar take on this.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to do it now
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: or later.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: In terms of the slot receiver?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: So.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: This is a half baked. I don't know if this
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: is ready for air.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Do you want me to give it then?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: I'll give it, but it's just like, I, it's just
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: a thought I have.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I'm a little more confident.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not super strong on it yet, but I'm like,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: it makes sense though.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: It does make, go ahead.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Just, and maybe it means more coming for me because
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I'm the guy that's told there. You're, you're, you still
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: on the stupid Island. That's for cornerbacks.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: The land layers.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: No, not land. Oh, is that the take? Are we
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: talking about different takes?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, we, no, we're not. I, I, I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: had both.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: This is, this is probably.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Vineyard in Nantucket. They're right next to each other.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Probably the time to see more F and Chisholm. And
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: I've been the one telling everybody to calm down on
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: F and Chisholm. Yeah. You had the stat Seattle played 88%
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: of zone against Patriots. Right. Steelers played a hundred percent
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: zone last weekend. So the Falcons, that's probably Cooper rush,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: but like, you're going to see a whole lot of zone.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Efton Chisholm's better against zone. If, if they're going to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: hammer you with zone coverage and I'm not, this is
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: not Efton Chisholm becoming Julian Edelman. It's what everybody wants.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: It's also not like huge pop criticism.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's just stylistically different. If that's the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: defense you're going to see and it helped AJ Brown's out,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: you have the extra game day roster spot. I'm not
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: saying throw the ball to Efton Chisholm 12 times a game.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: I know that's what people want.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: But start mixing them in and see how it goes.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: The timing's kind of right. It all comes together. What
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: you're seeing, what your personnel is right now, I wouldn't
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: hate seeing a little more of Hefton Chisholm.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Pop is statistically one of the best separators against man
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: coverage in the NFL.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: He is one of the toughest guys to cover in
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: man coverage.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: But if you're not seeing man coverage, it doesn't matter.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: What does it matter? And every time they get these
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: zone coverages, whether it's pop's fault or not, it just
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: feels like he's not exactly where the quarterback expects him
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: to be, whether he's drifting or he's not like sitting down,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: you know, the interception, I put 90% of that on
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Drake may, it was a forced throw into a team meeting.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: I would not have grown if I was him, but
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: If Pop just kind of settles there on the back
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: shoulder instead of continuing up the field, is it a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: more competitive play?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still not a great look, but it's better.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Those are the little field things, though, you see with
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Douglas against Zone that I just don't know if he
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: entirely has in his back.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: We've seen, at least in the brief flashes we've seen,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: we've seen a little bit better from Chisholm. Now, where
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I would like to see them get Pop more involved,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: to go back to your point, some of that run
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: game stuff. Can you run like pop passes and quick
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: screens to him to simulate the run game?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like that's... That's a big part
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: of it to me, which is, um, it's stylistic.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: If teams are just going to play a bunch of
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: zone coverage, I just have more confidence in him finding
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: the soft spots and settling and understanding, you know, where the,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: the holes are in a zone versus pop. If they're
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: going to play man to man, then I want pop
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: And pop is a better option than Chisholm.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, next one here going over to the defense.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Now we've got to talk a little bit about the defense.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: The Patriots, the Patriots edge rushers are better than we
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: expected heading into the season. So just to read a
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: couple of stats for Draymond Jones, six total pressures in
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: this game with a sack. He was kind of a
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: monster in this game. Elijah Ponder, I thought, had a quiet,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: solid performance, set some good edges.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: He wasn't bad.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Had a couple pressures. Our boy Gabe Ackes showing up.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: I was the player I expected to see.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: Showing up big time. Sack, tackle for loss in this game.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: The sack was obviously more of a coverage, you know,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: quarterback holding the ball.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the tackle for loss was a really nice play.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: And the one he strung out on the sideline was
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: also a really nice play as well. Was this group
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: better than we thought? Yeah.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't mean I don't have long-term concerns,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: but You know, I think the two things most Patriots
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: fans were concerned about going into the game were Will
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Campbell and the edge rushers. Yeah. And the two things
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: maybe you felt best about coming out of that game
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: were Will Campbell and the edge rushers.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: So, yeah.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: No, they played a really good game against some good tackles. Like,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: that's not a bad Seahawks offensive line by any means. So,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: let's see if they can keep it up. One game
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: is not the be-all, end-all, but... It was a, yeah,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I thought Jones was a lot more explosive than I
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: thought he would be in terms of like the first
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: step quickness.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: And they got him free a couple of times.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: They got him free with some of the schemes and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: he was a little bit quicker.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: And I thought, and then Accus, I mean, it was
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: all mental with him. You know what he can do
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: physically when given a chance. And he began to, you know,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: his instincts helped, helped him out in that game.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: I think so.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: I like to show him from that group.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: So I, I'm cautiously optimistic about it. I think with
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Draymond Jones, you see a player that just fits their style.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: That fits the scheme.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: It fits well into the scheme and kind of understands,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: you know, where he fits into the, in the bigger
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: picture and his one 11th and, So I would say,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact number off the top of
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: my head, like two or three of his pressures were unblocked,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: but that's within the.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: Structure of the defense, right?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Like that, that's exactly what you want that kind of
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: guy to do. It's a lot of the stuff that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Caleb on chase on was doing last year, right? Where
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: it's just the scheme gets him a good opportunity and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: he makes the most of it. And he lands a
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: quarterback hit or he gets a sack or whatever the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: case may be. Uh, Accus, uh, Is it possible that
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Accus is just a Monday through Saturday kind of guy?
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Like he needs Monday through Saturday to study the opponent.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: He's just a game day player.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like maybe he is a game plan kind of guy.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Like I think he's what they, they probably grinded a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: bunch of Seahawks tape. They got him ready for this game.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Kudos to, you know, Mike Smith, the coaching staff and everybody.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: And like his, his, play speed, his air condition of
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: plays was significantly improved. I think in the preseason, you
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: just kind of play. They just throw you out there
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: and you play. There's not a whole lot of preparation
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: for that. For this, they prepared for Seahawks for like
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: two weeks.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: And you heard that about him coming out of the draft,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: was he attacks everything 100%. It's not just on the field.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: It's in the weight room. It's in the film room.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: We know he's a guy that grinds a lot of film,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: that takes that very seriously. So maybe.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: All right. One little pour a little bit of water
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: on this a little bit. So when they only pressured
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: with four, their pressure rate was only 20%.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they still have to blitz to.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so their pressure rate with blitzing was over 50%.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: It was good. But their pressure rate with just a
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: four man rush was only 20%, which is not going
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: to be good enough.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: We knew that. I don't think that's it's not great.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: but that's not new. Yeah. I think we kind of
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: knew that would be the case.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: So last one here on the Patriots. And then I
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: have a couple of league ones that we can fire through.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: The Patriots deserve criticism for letting JSN escape Christian Gonzalez.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: So the numbers, Christian Gonzalez, three targets, zero catches with
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: the past breakup against JSN on 10 coverage reps against
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: JSN seven for one 18 and a touchdown against everybody else.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Well, Doesn't look nearly as bad of Craig Wood. Woodson
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't take a bad angle of the ball on that
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: fourth down. And that's not to excuse it. That's just
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: contextualizing it.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of split on this one. Definitely some plays
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: where I'm like, just have him follow him. But there
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: were some plays where, like, I thought they were creative
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: with how they lined JSN up and bunches. He had
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: at least one snap in the backfield, I think, right?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: They moved him in the slot a little bit.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: On Christian Ellis a little bit.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Said that going into the game. Seattle didn't do a
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: lot of that in the Super Bowl, probably because they
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: didn't have to. They did a lot last year. That's
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: something I want the Patriots to do. Again, to go
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: back to Pop Douglas. Patriots had a package last year
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: running Pop Douglas out of the backfield as a running back.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: That was very successful.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Things like that.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Like, I love it. I love it when teams do that.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: And that's such a massive goal. Zay Flowers on Sunday.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Zay Flowers against an elite corner in Sauce Gardner. So,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. They deserve some criticism, but I don't
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: want to. I do tip. Brian Flurry, I thought, if
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: we're doing Seahawks catch 22.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Number one takeaway outside of the win is that guy
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: ain't no Clint Kubiak. That's for sure. I thought Brian
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Fleury did a rough game where I will give him credit.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: The fourth down call was great. And the way they
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: moved JSN around, I thought was that that was some,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: some high level stuff that is not easy to counter. So, um,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't the only reason Gonzalez off of my, so I
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm splitting it. I'm not picking a side,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: I guess by the Patriots deserve some criticism. I don't think,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: I just don't think it was the only reason.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: So, um, I'm selling it.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think that they deserve criticism for it because
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: I think that it's easy to sit here and say,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: just have them shadow JSN a hundred percent of the time.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: But I do think you have to think about the
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: domino effect that having that doing that does on the
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: rest of the defense. So for example, One, you're just
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: kind of tipping your hand that you're playing man coverage.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Because if he's going in the backfield or he's in
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: the slot or whatever the case may be, and Gonzalez
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: is now basically like linebacker, it's probably man-to-man coverage.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: Or.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Gonzalez needs to learn how to zone drop from all
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: these different alignments.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Or he's going to like, if they suddenly have to,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: if they run the ball, now you've Gonzalez right now
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: is hitting the a gap at the point of attack,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: trying to write, which is not a bad tackler, but
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: that's way too much of an ass.
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  Speaker 2: It also has a trickle down effect on everybody else where, right.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: So now Marcus Jones probably has to play more on
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: the outside. Guys are playing in different spots basically. So
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: now you have to really understand the entire defense to
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: be able to just move all these pieces around and say, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're just going to have Gonzalez travel the whole game.
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  Speaker 2: So now all of you guys need to figure out
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: how to play, you know, outside corner, nickel, Sam linebacker,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: like all these different spots. And it's like, okay, well
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: in theory, that sounds great. We're going to put our
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: number one quarter on their number one receiver for the
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: entire game. If teams move their number one receiver around
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: like JSN, it's a lot harder to do in practice.
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  Speaker 4: Now, if you go out there and you play. I'm
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: trying to think of an example. DK Metcalf.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah. DK Metcalf ain't moving.
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  Speaker 4: He's lining up.
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  Speaker 2: They ran him a couple of times out of the slot,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: but it was nothing crazy. He's lining up on the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: outside most of the time. That you can shadow. That
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: you can do. When you play these players like a JSN,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: when they play Detroit and they play Amon Ross and Brown,
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  Speaker 2: things like that, it becomes.
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  Speaker 4: Tougher to do that.
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  Speaker 1: The big first push of this was the Niners and Debo. Yeah.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Like you couldn't have somebody shadow Debo Samuel because you're
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: asking them to play so many different positions essentially over
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: the course of the game. So I don't know. I
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: tip my cap to the Seahawks a bit, but there
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: were some times where I'm like. they can't just flip
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: him and Carlton Davis and like, right.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: So, so the, the read on that fourth down play
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: to me was that Gonzalez has the flat. I think
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: it's covered too. I think Gonzalez has the flat. So
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: he's playing the back out of the backfield in the flat.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Now in hindsight, you could say, well, just stay under
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: JSA and leave the flat, but it's fourth and one right.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: And two.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: So the play is designed to go to the back.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: It's against the team that has a heavy, heavy, heavy run.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Or back tendency. They played the tendency. So they, this is,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: this is where the math bites you. Yeah.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: It's a classic though. Like fast to the flat play
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: where the back is just going to release right into
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: the flat with a little play action fake. And the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: design of the play is to go to the running back.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: So, Gonzalez jumps the running back to take that away.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: And to his credit, drew lock, but built in Williams,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: right in his face, by the way, no Williams is
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: like this close from deflecting that pass right in his face.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Stay composed, came off the flat, came to the curl
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: and hit Jason on the curl. Right.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good play by the quarterback.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: And then you couple of guys take a bad angle,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: miss some tackles and he's gone.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: So I, I don't think anybody was necessarily wrong on
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: the play.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: It just was bad execution by Craig Woodson. Mostly on
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: the tackle. I don't really have a big problem though with, uh,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Gonzalez leaving JSN on that play because he took the
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: first read away from the quarterback.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: And most of the time you expect, if I take
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: away the first read, my pass rush is going.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: To get there.
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  Speaker 2: Something's going to get there.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: That's right. We've talked about this. When they blitz, they
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: have to get home. They didn't quite get home. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I got a couple more league ones on buyer sell.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just fire through them though. Let's not spend 20
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  Speaker 2: with the Patriots. Uh, but I also wanted to needle
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  Speaker 2: you a little bit on some of these as, as
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  Speaker 2: one does. So I'll just start with one of my favorites. Uh,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: so I don't know if you saw it, Alex, but
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  Speaker 2: Josh Allen hung a 36 points on the Houston.
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  Speaker 1: Texans after he hung a ball up in the air for.
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  Speaker 4: About 36 points.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So buyer sell, uh, the bills buyer sell Houston defense regression.
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  Speaker 1: Um, Houston defense regression. They did not tackle well.
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  Speaker 2: Their secondary looked like they, there was a lot of
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: open receivers.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They, I don't know if that, did they play guys
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  Speaker 1: in the preseason? It didn't look like this is going
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: to be the big debate next year is playing guys
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: in the preseason. Yeah. Stingley did not play well. Lassiter
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  Speaker 1: played a really rough game.
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  Speaker 2: Reed Blankenship.
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  Speaker 1: Reed Blankenship. They were picking on Reed. But look, I mean,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: obviously Allen played well, but was Lassiter just hangs on
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: to that ball. It's a whole different narrative. I think
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: that was more about the Texans' defense struggling than it
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: was Allen, but Allen played a good game.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Classic Josh Allen, just rollercoaster.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Just horseshoe right up his ass.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: You just hope that, like, he's one of those guys
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: that probably makes, like, 20 great plays, and you just
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: hope it's only 19 bad ones, right?
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: You just hope it's just a few more. You just
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: hope the defense doesn't know how to catch.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: Remember the J.C. Jackson one here? Yeah, I mean, it's
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: just crazy.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Like, he's just.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: the guy's a lunatic. Um, I, in a, in the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: best way possible. Uh, but 36 points against that defense
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: is impressive. It is the Patriots scored 21. We have
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: seven of them. We're on a pick six. So, but
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, uh, 36 is impressive.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: He had some short fields in there.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: You're classic.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: You just can't give him any credit.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: There you go. All right. I knew that that was coming.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Did the Texas defense play well?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: No, but like Josh Allen played unreal.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: That throw that he made on the sideline, I think
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: it was to DJ Moore. That was a touchdown.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: The one that Blankenship's totally out of position on?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: That throw is ridiculous.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: It's a frozen rope. Blankenship's running from the hashes because
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: he lost him.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: It's an absolute seed.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: He threw the ball very hard, yes.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, from like the middle of the field all
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: the way out to the sideline on a rope like that.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: It's an open receiver.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: That was a good throw. That's a BTT. That's a
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: big time throw right there.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: He was also second in a turnover worthy plays this week. Yeah.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: He had, he had some, you know, he had some
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen moments. There's no doubt about it. We're not
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: allowed to talk about those credit to CJ Stroud for
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: scoring 30 though.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: And I, and he played a lot better than I thought.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: He played well in between the moments he had to play.
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  Speaker 2: Well, sure.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: A couple more. Is under center offense back in the NFL?
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: I know you love this one. So I wanted to
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: give you one on a positive bar.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Under center, 1221 personnel running like it's all cyclical. The eight.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: I think Frank Reich ran 05 personnel, five tight ends.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: I know it was a high scoring week, but it
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't like the traditional high scoring, high flying offense that
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: we're used to.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: It's.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Offenses started doing all this high flying, you know, four
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: wide receiver stuff. So defenses got smaller and that was
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: kind of the last five to 10 years. Yep. So
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: now offenses are getting bigger again. Defenses are starting to
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: catch up, but they're not totally there. And now they're
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: just bully. The offense are just bullying these defense around.
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  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: So next gen goes back to 2016.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: The 41.2% under center rate league wide was the highest
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: in week one in the next gen era. So over
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: a decade of football, highest 41.2%. Everybody's under center.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: It's back.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: The chiefs are under center. The Ravens are under center.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: These are teams that were like 90% shotgun.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Do you remember three years ago? The whole thing was, well,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Drake may never plays under center. So you can't draft
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: him because under center is extinct in the NFL. And
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: what's the point?
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: Drake may is under center. 40% of the time.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Well, people didn't want to draft him because he's never
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: going to be under center. It's the modern NFL.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: They're all under center.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. Next one here. The bears will break the
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: NFL single season scoring record after scoring 59 points against.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: The Carolina Panthers. I don't know how good that Panthers
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: defense is.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: 59. Yeah.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: I know it's impressive for one game. Like they got
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: a full year to go. They're going to play some
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: good defenses and, My guy, Ben Johnson, drawn it up.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Very nice. Let's see what the Panthers defense is at
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: the end.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: Of the day.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: Alex and I argued about this via text on Sunday.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: You made a point about it's just one game. I'm
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: not trying to say anything bigger. It's just one game.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: So I sent you McDaniels putting up 50 on the Jaguars.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: And you said, well, that's just one game. And it
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: was two because he also put up 50 on the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Jets in 21.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: I absolutely loved it. It was great. It was great
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: to watch. Ben Johnson. Good job. Good job by you.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: These are the week one upsets.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: And I want to know if you're buying or selling
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: these teams that hold the upset off. 49ers over Rams.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: Is that really how much?
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: The Niners are good, too.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: The way that all of you were talking about the Rams,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: you were throwing the parade for the.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: Rams before the season even started.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not buying it.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: You were crowning the Rams.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: Don't lie now.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Don't go back on it. I'm not buying it. Well,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: it's your guy, McVay. I think you'd care. I'm not
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: buying it. The Rams did not care about that game.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: What do you mean they didn't care?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Flying in 24 hours before the game.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: They thought their science said that was the best approach.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 7: No, no.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: The science was, let's not throw our.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Now we're making excuses for everybody's dream team.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I think the science was, let's not throw our body
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: clocks off for the whole season. Let's just get in,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: get out, be in Australia as little as possible. They
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: took the long game. They also didn't have Aaron Donald.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: They're not going to have Miles Garrett. No, I'm not
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: putting a ton of stock in that game.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: The Rams are still the best team in football.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: I think the Rams are who we thought they were.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: All right. All you people just give the Rams the trophy,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: plan the speeches, plan the parade route.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: But you do that for the Bills. They haven't even
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: won anything.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Doors blown off in week one. I don't care that
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: it was in Australia. Okay.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: One of the biggest upsets of the week.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Cardinals over the Los Angeles Chargers.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I think this was the biggest upset of the week.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: I'm buying it both ways. It's weird. The Cardinals have,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: as much as we dump on the Cardinals, their skill
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: position talent's kind of elite. McBride, Jeremiah Love, Marvin Harrison, Wilson.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: Underrated player.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: I obviously like Kendrick Bourne. Their line's not bad. They
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: got good tackles. They got a couple playmakers on defense.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Their defense is a lot more incomplete. But, yeah, they
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: have Buda Baker.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Good player.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: That team doesn't entirely suck. They're not the Dolphins' level
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: of suck.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: And you know what? Jacoby Brissett, you could do worse
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: than Jacoby Brissett as your starting quarterback. And he does
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: tend to pull some of these games out. On the
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: other side, I said this. I think the Chargers peaked
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: last year. I think you start seeing the fallout. McDaniel
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: hires a little bit of a panic move to me.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: I still think the Chargers should win eight or nine games.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Cardinals are going to the playoffs,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: but I think that game was closer than people made
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: it out to be.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sick of the Chargers. I'm sick of hearing about
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: how good the Chargers are. I'm sick of hearing about
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: their talent. I'm sick of hearing about the quarterback. I'm
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: sick of hearing about Jim Harbaugh. This was all supposed
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: to be... Right. Jim Harbaugh is going to be, they're
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: going to have a professionalism. They are going to be
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: a physical football team. They are going to run the ball.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: They're going to do all these things. Same old chargers
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: week one dud against one of those.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: Say something nice about the Cardinals.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: I really, I agree with all the things you said
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: about their skill players.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: I think Jacoby reset's frisky. I think he's, he's capable
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: with a good supporting cast. I think that Michael four
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: had a nice debut.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: I think that they were pretty solid on both sides
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: of the ball. Pretty well coached. I I'm over the chargers.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about their roster talent. I
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: don't want to hear about how talented the quarterback is.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Doesn't win.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: He doesn't win any games.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: All right. I know he wins games in the regular season.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: They make the playoffs, things like that.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: He doesn't win.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: He doesn't win the games he needs to win.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: No, he does not.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: And I just remember when they hired Jim Harbaugh, that
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: all we heard and all that was, we were beaten
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: down by, well, they're going to be a tough football team.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: They're going to be tough up front. They're going to
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: run the football. They're going to be a smash mouth
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: football team. Same, same chargers, same chargers. you know how
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: it is. When you live in SoCal, you're soft.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you admit that.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: I lived in SoCal for three years. It made me
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: the softest human being. I hate the cold. I'm freezing
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: all the time. It's just the way that it is.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: It's just the culture. You can't do that. Unbelievable. I'm
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: done with the Chargers.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: Don't even mention them.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: Next one.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: Giants over Cowboys.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 8: Um.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: I don't buy the Giants. I still think that team's
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: too limited talent-wise. Everybody acted like the Cowboys' defense was fixed.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: It's better.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: It's not better.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: It has to be better.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: It wasn't better last week.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: So better does not mean good. They were so far away.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: They were the worst defense in the NFL last week.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: They were the worst defense in the NFL last year.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: I know, but I don't think I'm saying like Quinn
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: and Williams. I still think Kayla and Caleb downs had
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: a good game. Caleb down is going.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: To be a good player, but everybody was, Oh no,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: they used all their draft picks on defense. It's like,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: it's a bunch of rookies. They still have a bunch
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: of holes. So I'm not, no, I was never buying
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: the Cowboy defense resurgence. That's a multi-year rebuild. Um, I
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: think it was more about that than the Giants maybe
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: having things figured out. Nice win for our ball, though.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: Tough one for one of my tight pants defense guys,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: Christian Parker, their defensive coordinator. It's kind of like a
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: rising star on that side of the ball. Tough debut.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: Not great. They didn't bump out to the flat like
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: three straight times on that last drive. Jackson Dart checking
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: it down to the running back out of the flat.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: right down the field, like 30 yards on three completions
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: and a touchdown. I mean, just, just bad. Like that's
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: another one of those teams. All flash, no substance. Like
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Dak's a talented player. CD Dimes, a talented player. Pickens
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: is a talented player, but they, they never win. It's
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: never anything tangible that you're like, this is a real team.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: They, they, like I said, there's no consistency. They have
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: highlight plays, but they don't really do much in between them.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: Last one. Vikings over Packers.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: I Packers are better team. I don't think there's that
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: much of a gap between Wentz and Kyler. To be honest, I,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: the Vikings are very talented roster besides the quarterback position. I,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: the Packers should have won that game. Packers absolutely should
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: have won that game.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: Great bliss package though. I mean, Brian floor is just
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: coming after guys because it was like 52% in that game.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Uh, they just Brian floor is a madman.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, some of the things that they do, like he, uh,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: I don't mean to like be like two pants off
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: about it with Brian Flores, but like they, when they
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: drop into coverage, I actually think that they're kind of
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: reinventing coverage in a way. Like they, they don't drop
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: into coverages that we identify.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: Like this is, this is cover one.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: This is.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Cover two.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: This is cover three. Cause they run these like hot
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: zones where like they're blitzing and then they're dropping guys
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: where they think the offense is going to throw the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: ball and they've lined up. So in a way that
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: they're forcing the ball into those areas, like they funnel
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: the ball. It's, it's crazy. He's he's the designs of
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: the plays are unbelievable.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Flores is excellent.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Really good. Now it burns them. Like it burned them
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: in that game. Christian Watson hit like a 70 yard touchdown, but.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: You know what it, but the rate at which it
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: burns them is very low.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: It's much higher. The way that hits is much higher
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: than the rate. It give credit to the Vikings though.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: Like KOC, uh, Brian Flores, like they, they, don't have
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: a quarterback and they still managed to be a pretty
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: good football team. Didn't they win like eight games or
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: nine games last year, despite all of the chaos with
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: the quarterback. So I give them a lot of credit.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: I think they're a well-coached team. All right. We can
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: finally open up the show. I apologize that we took
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: so long to get to this point. I got to
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: get the mouse though. So one second. This is great radio.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Great radio stretching it out. All right. Let's see if
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: you guys are still hanging on. I know I've been
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: leaving you on hold. Patty is in Agawam. What's up, Patty? Patty.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: Patty was on hold for like over an hour. So
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: you call back Patty and we'll get you in. You
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: can call unfiltered. Jack is in Falmouth. What's up, Jack?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 8: Hey, y'all.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: How are you doing? Great.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: I was wondering from week one, obviously it's only one game,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: but Do we have a Kyrus Tiger replacement? Who do
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: you think is our kind of run-stuffing, nose-tackle-esque person? And
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: I'll take it off air.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 10: Thanks, guys.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Jack. It's a fair question. It's definitely a fair
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: second guess at this point of whether or not they
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: should have just... outbid Kansas city for Kairos Tonga and
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: kept Kairos Tonga here.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be Corey Durden. He's supposed to be
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: NT one, as he told us in the spring, they
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: now brought in Daquan Jones. So it seems like they're
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: at least cognizant of the fact that maybe they don't
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: have that player. There's also things, you know, depth and
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: having a rotation on the defensive line that Daquan Jones
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: can help with. But the answer to the short answer
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: is it's supposed to be Corey Durden.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: How do we feel about it supposed to be Corey Dern?
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: I think now it's going to be Daquan Jones, so... Yeah,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: you think that Corey Dern's already... Well, Daquan Jones is
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: a better player. I think, again, one of those guys that...
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: was good in his role, and you like him in
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: that role, and you're like, oh, would he be better
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: in a bigger role? And maybe that's just the role
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: he was in last year is where he's going to thrive.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. That's your exact thing.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Sometimes when you expect a guy to play at the
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: same level when he plays more, it goes the opposite way.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: I'll give you another one. You're going to hate this,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: but I'll admit this. Another one of those guys for me? Yeah.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Marcus Smart.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: We don't have time to get bogged down in the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Marcus Smart conversation. You know how I feel about that.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: One of the most overrated Celtics of my lifetime.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: Horrible take.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: It's the exact precise take. Defensive player of the year.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Wasn't even the best defensive player on that team.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, he was.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: He clearly wasn't.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, he was.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: He wasn't.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: He just, Rob Williams didn't play enough.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: Anyways.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: Availability is the best ability.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: This is from Thomas. We'll get some emails and then
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: we'll talk some Steelers to wrap up the show. So
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: you say may has to play boring football, but then
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: why doesn't Caleb looms? Who's a pretty similar quarterback, not
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: have to do that. Obviously the opponent they played is different,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: but the oven looks explosive and guys just open all
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: over the field. Ben Johnson wants to high scoring offense.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: And so far it looks like it while we watch
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: our running backs run into a wall. So I, I
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: think that you answered your own question by the end
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: of that email. The, the whole reason why running the
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: football against these two high shells is is important is
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: not necessarily just because of the yards. It's also to
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: get that safety into the box out of them.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Right. So once the Patriots can prove that they can
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: run the football and take profits underneath zone defenses, the
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: two high zones, then teams are going to put another
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: guy in the short zone distribution and another guy in
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: the box. And that's when those one-on-one opportunities on the
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: outside are going to present themselves.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: And the bears, by the way, in that game, yes.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Ran for 291 yards. Uh, Caleb Williams, uh, Only. Only
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: threw for 261.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: So.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: Again, he answered his own question.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: Like, yes, if you can run the football, you can
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: run them out of the two highs.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Then we can get Drake, Drake, may, may go on.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: Then you can start bombing the ball down the field.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: Like he was last year. It just happens. Like last year,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: teams were just late to the punch against Drake. May.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: They kind of snuck up on people.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: We knew this was going to happen, Alex.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: We knew that they weren't going to sneak up on
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: people this time, this year.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: They, they, the cats out of the bag. They are
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: good football team. They're not going to sneak up on anybody.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: So that, that's a big thing that, uh, you know,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: has happened in there. Um, Alex, do you want to
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: do picks with us? I think you should do picks
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: with us on Thursday.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: I do them on a sports up Sunday.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: I know, but we, we do picks on Thursdays and
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: then we put them in the, in the newsletter and
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: we keep track of the standings. We'll, we'll, we'll talk
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: to the, to the powers that be about that. Um,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: here's a super nerdy offensive line question, which is perfect
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: for this show, uh, from Craig. Um, Do you have
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: any sense on what goes into how widely or tightly
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: spaced O-line should be when they get in their initial stance?
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: It feels like the D has a ton of variability here,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: and I wondered a few times if some of their
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: run plays might be more successful if they could space
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: themselves out a little bit more. So most of the time,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: I would say that that's a big picture change. like theory,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: like that's a concept.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It has to do with like different systems run
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: it differently. Like some of those, those.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: College systems, the air raid systems.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like the, yeah.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: So that's more of like the coordinator and the belief
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: of the coordinator and, and, and his sort of thought
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: on it. Uh, how far back you line up in
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: the backfield is, you know, obviously within the legal window, uh,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: Jawan Taylor, you know, like, uh, I would say that
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: is more player to player, like what each player kind
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: of feels comfortable with. Some guys feel more comfortable being
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: right on top of the line of scrimmage. Some guys
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: like to play with it a little bit and be
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: a little bit off. But in terms of the spacing
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: horizontally across the formation, that tends to be like a
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: philosophical thing of how the coordinator believes in it or
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't believe in it. So that that's a that's a
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: big thing there. This is from Ty in Chicago. I
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: know going into the Steelers game, we're going to see
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: a ton of zone. And I'm concerned about some of
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: the history with Pop and Kyle Williams' ability to decipher zone.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: Is there enough evidence from the film that Dobbs and
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: Hollins can be reliable enough? I wouldn't say I've seen
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: enough of Dobbs quite yet in this offense, but I
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: think Hollins is one of the better guys at being zone-friendly,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: especially on those in-cuts or the curls. He's really good
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: at running a curl. He did it on... on last
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: Wednesday night and he kind of like curled around the
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: defender and worked his way back to the football. Uh,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: so I, I think that he's one of those guys
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: that's a pretty zone friendly, uh, receiver. I think Dobbs
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: has that in him as well.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: Um, but I, those two guys I think will be okay.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: I agree with the Williams and, uh, and pop.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Those are my concerns though.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Um, All right, let's take this last call and let's
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: talk about the Steelers. Steve is in Massachusetts, I assume, somewhere.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: Steve, what's up?
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: Hey, what's up? Long time listener, big fan.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: I wanted to talk a little bit about McDaniels. I
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: didn't get to listen to the first part of the show,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: so I'm sure you've talked about it. But I was
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: one of the guys that was tweeting back at you, Evan,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: about McDaniels a bunch this past week, and I I
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: think what's frustrated me about kind of the discourse and
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit about the discourse from y'all is
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: I kind of felt like going into this year, we had,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: you know, we had such a great offense and it's,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: you know, top five and a lot of more advanced metrics.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: I guess I'm wondering like what y'all think about in
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: terms of this offense, because I, you know, one of
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: your tweets was about saying like, you know, I think
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: that the first three quarters there was good process, but
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: bad results. So that goes to show that I think
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: you think that, you know, we're going to see this
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: get better regardless of AJ going down. So what, where
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: do you guys think at the end of the year?
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: And then forgive me if you guys have said this
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: in different podcasts or whatever, but like predicting like this
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: offense over the course of the year, Like, where do
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: you think they end at the end of the year
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: in terms of some of these advanced metrics? Like, pick
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: your favorite metrics, DVOA, EPA per play, points per drive. Like,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: where do you think this offense ranks at the end
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: of the year? Because I feel like we've kind of, like,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: been pumping up all the different positions groups. And, you know,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, Daniel's in May going into year two, so...
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: I'm just wondering where exactly you land on where the
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: offense should rank at the end of the year, in
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: your opinion. I'll take it off the air.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Steve.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: Thanks for the call. Top 10.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: I think this is a top 10 offense.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: My metric of choice, points per game.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Your old school win the game.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it should be a top 10 offense
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: on paper in the league. I still don't have a
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: ton of concerns about their drop that passing game. My
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: concerns are with the run game.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Like that. That's really where it stems from. I need
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: to see more out of that element of their offense,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: really dating back to last year. I thought it was
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: lackluster for the most part, besides Travion Henderson hitting some
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: 60 yard runs that made things maybe look a little
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: bit better than they actually were in a lot of cases. Uh,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: so that that's where it starts and ends for me.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Like I, I have no issues with the way that
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: McDaniels is play action passes is dropped back passes. Uh,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: I think all of those have are tried and true.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: Like I think those have been consistently good year in
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: and year out for the most part. Uh, when he's
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: the coordinator, their spacing is usually good. Uh, the way
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: they convert routes is usually sound. Uh, the way they
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: stress defenses and their rules is usually pretty solid from
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: a game plan perspective in the passing game. I have
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: no issues with any of their drop back stuff. The
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: run game stuff, I think, is a fair criticism. They
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: need to find a way, whether it's the things I
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: was talking about earlier in the show with motion and
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: misdirection and disguising runs a little bit better, or it's
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: something else that they can find a way to run
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: the ball better. What I don't really want to hear
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: about the run game is we just need, you know,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: last year, the big phrase was we need more time
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: on task.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: I don't want to hear that.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you know, it's the time on task. You've
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: had enough time on task.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: The offensive line is the same other than Vera Tucker.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: Like it's one guy, you know, the other four people
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: all were here last year. So it's enough time on task. I,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: the one concern that I would have to with the
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: run game is, is some of the things that Mike
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: Rabel was very, really blunt about with the canning of
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: plays and Drake may and pre snap and, and, I,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: this is another like kind of half-baked take of mine,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: but I am getting to the point where I'm not,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: maybe we're expecting too much out of him mentally.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: Maybe he's not there yet. Mentally. I, you can be
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: in either school.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe we need to give him more grace as
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: a young quarterback in the league in his third year.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: But it just feels to me like there's some mental
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: things that maybe is holding them back a little bit
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: in terms of what they can do. Like the bread,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: like the volume of the menu at their disposal.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Well, we know this is something that, you know, they
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: pointed out in the off season is, is something that
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: they were going to work on with him more controlled
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, things like that. And so, you know,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: it's not going to happen overnight. Um, you know, it's
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: going to be a process and.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: Is the motion rate so low because motion is complex.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: Running motion is complex. The quarterback running motion is complex.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: Knowing how the motion changes, the structure of the defense
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: is hard, right?
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: You know, are they following the motion? Are they bumping
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: the motion? Like all these different types of things that
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: changes the structure of where everybody is defensively. So if
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: you motion at the snap and, and they flip the
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: structure on you, then you need to split second, recognize
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: that and know what you're looking at as a quarterback.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of quarterbacks that don't like it because
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: of that. Aaron Rogers, as we talk about the Steelers
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: here in a second is one of them. He doesn't
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: like the picture changing of what the motion brings to you.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: So there's different things that, you know, there's different pros
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: and cons to all these different things. You know, the
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: way that they handle blitz is one of the things
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: that my, biggest gripes with this game is that Seattle
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: and Witherspoon got them on the same blitz twice that
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: they got them in the super bowl on the same
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: exact blitz from the slot hit with an unblocked runner
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: right at Drake made two times. So like, what's the,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: is it a pre-snap thing? Because what they did was
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: they blocked the seven guys in the box or like
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: in the formation, which is what you kind of the
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: rule of thumb is right. Let's get these seven blocks
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: or six blocks or whatever it is. like you take
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: care of the bigs, right? If that slot corner comes,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: they have to have an answer to that post nap.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: Like someone's got to be hot. The ball has got
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: to find a way out of his hands. So are
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: all of these things, are we expecting too much out
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: of Drake may so early, or is he a little
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: behind in this regard of the game? You know, the
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: way that they're playing cover six against them and they're
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: clouding the number one receiver and taking away their deep
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: threat is why is there not more formation flexibility? Like,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: why can't they move guys around a little bit more?
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: All of these questions I have are centered a little
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: bit around the quarterback. Like, is it, is there because
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: McDaniels questions, right? Schematic questions, but how much is the
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: quarterback impacting it? Like as a quarterback, the one that's
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: kind of still learning.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: And we're not at the point yet where we can
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: do some, all these different fancy things. Uh, McDaniel talked
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: about this. Mike McDaniel talked about this with Tua. One
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: of Tua's positive things. One of the things he's actually
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: good at was handling all the pre-snap motion that Miami
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: used to run. He was really good at triggering it.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: He's really good at deciphering it. Uh, he's really good
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: at using it to their advantage. Uh, That's why he
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: was when healthy was good in that offense, right? That
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: offense was good when he was healthy. It just depends
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: on the quarterback. Like some guys don't like it. And
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: so you're stagnant. You're just stagnant pre-snap when it comes
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: to the Steelers, a couple of different things, just starting
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: with the Steelers offense. This is, I no longer want
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: to call this like Mike McCarthy's offense, the Steelers offense.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: This is Aaron Rogers's offense.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rogers has ran the same offense three years in
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: a row. They ran the offense with the jets. They
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: ran it last year with Arthur Smith in the Steelers.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: And in week one, it was the same offense that
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: they ran the last two previous years. So this is
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: now Aaron Rogers's offense. Like he's basically running his own offense.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: That's where it's at. When they're under center, they're a
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: West coast team. They're outside zone. They're bootlegs.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: They're that kind of team.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: Then he really likes, I think is more of the gun.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: And then he's in a spread, right? He spreads the
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: field out and he can just kind of pick, right.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: Find a one-on-one and pick his matchups. He wants to
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: get rid of the ball quickly. Last year, he was
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: the fastest time to throw in the league, the lowest
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: ADOT in the league. Six yards per attempt in the air,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: like two and a half seconds time to release. If
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: you can get him to hold the football... he is
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: not a good quarterback anymore. He's not, this is not
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: MVP green Bay Packers, Aaron Rogers, where he was one
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: of the more mobile, like first kind of out of
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: structure guys. That was really good at that. That's not
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: who he is anymore. Uh, I expect the Patriots to
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: play a lot of man in this game because with man,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: you get them to hold the ball, right? You can
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: jam up their receivers, you can throw off their timing. Uh,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: you can get them to hold the football, uh, I
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: think if you can get him to hold the ball,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: then he goes down at this point of his career
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: when he's getting the ball out quickly and he's throwing
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: those horizontal passes and he's picking his one-on-ones and he's
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: throwing shots down the field. The DK Metcalf, uh, they can,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: they can make some plays. Uh, if you get him
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: to hold the ball, I think they're going to be okay. Uh,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: and I think they match up pretty well against the
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: Steelers receivers with their corners. Uh, so I, you know,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: where do you start if you're looking at the Steelers offense?
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Um, The size is the first thing that stands out
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: to me. Just a big offense. I mean, Metcalf, Pittman,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: they got a couple tight ends. They used Fryer with, obviously,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: our guy Darnell Washington. There are not a lot of
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: defenses that are going to have the size, the play
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: strength in the secondary to counter that. The Patriots are
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: probably as close as you're going to get with Gonzalez
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: and Carlton Davis on the outside. Roman Wilson in the
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: slot is not as big of a player. They run
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: it all through Jalen Warren. So you could see another
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: running back heavy game, a lot of checkdowns, things like that.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: They're going to have to be ready for on paper.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: We were talking about this yesterday. They should be a
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: good deep ball offense. Yeah. They were terrible. Are they
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: over six?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: And I actually thought Rogers threw some competitive ones. I
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: thought that some of the throws he made were pretty decent,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: but the receivers just couldn't win.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: Metcalf had a bad game. And so I wouldn't look
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: at that and say, well, they can't throw the ball deep.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: So let's just sit on the short stuff. Like you
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: still have to respect it, but yeah, that was kind
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: of notable to me that, cause you know me, I,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: I like size at receiver.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: I do. I, you are Darnell Washington and DK Metcalf.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: Those are two of my guys right there. Yeah.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: So, and I really like fire moves too.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: I love the way they've built their offense. They didn't
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: play to that strength last week. I don't, that's not
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: something that I would just be like, well, all right,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: this isn't what they're going to be. It's a week.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: One thing I'd, I would actually come back and expect
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: them to maybe double down on it and try to
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: really get it going and, And I know you said
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: like the quick time to throw. But the thing is,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: you start sitting up on that stuff. They are going
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: to get you over the top eventually.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: So even with the quick time to throw.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: A lot of those deep balls are just him hitting
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: the top of the drop and firing it. So even
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: though the ball is traveling further, he's still getting it
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: out quickly.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: So you mentioned the ADOT, too. But like, yeah, I.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: Last year plummeted.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: I would not. They're going to try to hit their
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: deep shots in this game. And you can't get caught
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: off guard there. Cause they have guys that can make
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: those plays last year.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: They made two of them. They met half at a
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: touchdown on Davis. And then, uh, Calvin Austin won the
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: game on Marcus Jones, not deep, deep, not like 60
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: yard bombs, but they were go routes that, you know,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: they hit both of those on go routes. So I, I, I,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: he's an, he's an ISO go ball guy. Like if
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: you have one-on-one on the outside, he's going to hit
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: the top of his drop and he's going to throw a,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: a pretty catchable go ball. It's still, I would still.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: So luckily the Patriots have good corners in that situation.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: Cause you don't want to, I mean, they're going to
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: want to run the ball a lot, too.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: So you can't bail on defending the run.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: They play a lot of two tight ends.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Less last week than they were doing last year. Last year,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: they were down near the bottom of the league in
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: three receiver usage.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: I think some of that might have just been the Falcons.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: Well, they also got Pittman. So they have Metcalf, Pittman,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: and Roman Wilson now. But they're going to play both
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: Friar Muth and Darnell Washington. Those guys are going to
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: play a lot. Washington's a tank. He's basically like a
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: sixth offensive line.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: He's listed at two 65. Yeah.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: I think he said he was like three bills, three 11. Yeah.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Last year he said he was playing at three 11.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: Crazy. As far as the Steelers defense goes, there's going
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: to be a big talking point this week. Patrick Graham
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: is the defensive coordinator for the Steelers. He was the
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: defensive coordinator for Josh McDaniels in Vegas, but he was
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: also the defensive coordinator in week one of last year
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: for the Raiders and the 90.6% zone coverage rate that
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: he played last year against Drake. May is the most zone.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: Drake may has seen in a single game in his career.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: So it was also one of his worst games. It
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: was also one of his worst games. So the two
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: hallmarks of that game plan for Patrick Graham zone coverage
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: and post nap disguise, right? So he was changing the
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: picture on Drake may, and they are playing different zones.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: I remember coming out of that game. Remember all like
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: the may sprays in that game.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: He, he air milled one to pop Douglas on the
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: sideline on out. He had Hunter Henry and he, he
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: read it right. He had Hunter Henry on a little
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: zone beater right in the middle of the field. And
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: he threw it like 10 yards over his head. There
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: was just some weird Drake may accuracy things going on
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: in that game. Footwork things going on in that game.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: Indecisiveness post-nap all the sound familiar. Like all these things
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: happen now. I don't think this Pittsburgh defense is as
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: good as the Seahawks defense. So for now, good personnel wise,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: they were like 11th and DVO a last.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: I mean that front, the front's loaded.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: Front's good.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: We'll see if Porter plays.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: They're older, but they're, they're good.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: And he can play Porter play for plays. He's good.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: They've got Minka back there. Not Minka.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. I keep doing that.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Washed.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: He's on watch. He's on my watch.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: He was okay last week.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: He's playing the slot again now because he's too slow
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: to play outside. I'm not too concerned about Jalen Ramsey anymore.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: I have a pretty good defense.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: If Joey Porter Jr.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: Plays, that's a big thing. Yeah, because they played so
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: little man last week. And I think some of that
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: was Cooper Rush. I think some of that was stylistic.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: I also think some of that was because their best
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: press man corner was not playing in the game. So
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: if Joey Porter Jr. plays now, they have their Gonzalez
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: like they have a shadow corner that can play man
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: to man.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: Against the top.
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  Speaker 1: Do they even want to do that?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're going to play a lot of zone.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're going to mix it up. I think
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  Speaker 2: they're going to change the picture on Drake may constantly.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're going to do a bunch of different
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  Speaker 2: things up front to get guys loose in the pass rush.
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  Speaker 2: TJ watt and cam Hayward. The two things I would
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  Speaker 2: say that worry me the most about those guys is.
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  Speaker 4: Played on the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Like cam Hayward had three batted passes in that game
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  Speaker 2: last week. And then TJ wide obviously has the pick
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  Speaker 2: six on a ridiculous play. Only had three pressures. in
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  Speaker 2: the game, but he, but he made a ridiculous pick.
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  Speaker 1: And I would just add both of those players. And
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  Speaker 1: then you throw in, um, Kenna Benton and inside.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Like they can stop the run. They can stop another
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  Speaker 1: really good run front. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Last name I draw out in that pass rush, Nick Herbig.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He gave Campbell some problems.
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  Speaker 2: He gave Campbell a lot of problems last year and
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  Speaker 2: he was, he's like their speed situational pass rusher. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: so he sometimes comes on the field for like Alex
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  Speaker 2: Highsmith or something like that on third down to get
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more of a dynamic pass rusher on
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  Speaker 2: the field. And, uh, he's really good inside out rusher,
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  Speaker 2: like lots of speed off the edge, uh, can set
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  Speaker 2: you up with the speed and then go inside like
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  Speaker 2: the type of guy that would give Campbell a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of problem. Last year, Campbell gave up two quarterback
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  Speaker 2: hits against her big and had a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a rough game. So another litmus test type of thing
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  Speaker 2: for Campbell, which will be good. It's a good front.
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  Speaker 2: I think the secondary has some holes. I think Ramsey
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: is not the player he once was. We'll see if
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Joey Porter Jr. plays. Even if he does play though,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: the off corner, I think is going to be, you know,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: Asante Samuel Jr. Maybe it was been on the street,
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  Speaker 2: like as a free agent for a while. So I
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: think that they have some opportunities in that regard, if
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  Speaker 2: they can, if they can block the front. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say though, in the block in the
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: front thing, Steelers did not tackle well last week. So
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  Speaker 1: there might be some more hidden yardage in this game.
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  Speaker 4: I would say, and then we got to wrap it up.
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  Speaker 2: If you ask me, this is one of those games
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  Speaker 2: where early season game, the Patriots should be able to
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: win like, 20 to 17. Right. I don't think any,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: either offense is firing on all cylinders where they're going
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  Speaker 2: to light the scoreboard up. So I think that they
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  Speaker 2: should have the ability to win this game. Kind of ugly,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: kind of a rock fight, sort of like last year's game,
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  Speaker 2: but hopefully the, the, the better way, you know, without
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  Speaker 2: all the turnovers. So one last reminder, as we wrap
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• 1:53:11
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