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Hollywood honcho Harvey Weinstein indictment? Texas Cheerleader dumped at ER, mysteriously dies · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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  Speaker 1: one thirty two. You know the films Shakespeare and Loved
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  Speaker 1: good Will, Hunting, Silver Linings, Playbook, The Man Behind Them.
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  Speaker 1: Legendary Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein. After multiple sexual harassment allegations,
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  Speaker 1: movie local Harvey Weinstein has been forced out of his
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  Speaker 1: own company. His movies have won a total of seventy
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  Speaker 1: five Oscars. Eight women, including actress Actually Judd, came forward
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  Speaker 1: to accused Weinstein of sexual misconduct. The Times uncovered sexual
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  Speaker 1: harassment allegations that span almost three decades. The film executive
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  Speaker 1: and announced plans to take a book leave of absence.
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  Speaker 1: The Famish guys coming now and one minute, and if
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  Speaker 1: you want to leave when the guy comes to my gray,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Just come on. I'm used to that. Are
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  Speaker 1: you're used to that? You know what? Right now, the
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  Speaker 1: NYPD really ought to be a shame. And I'm a
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  Speaker 1: big supporter of the police. You know, police were my
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  Speaker 1: best witnesses except for a couple of dogs I put
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  Speaker 1: on the stand a couple of times, and some of
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  Speaker 1: the most honorable people I know police. But right now,
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  Speaker 1: the Brits, the British police. Are they actually going to
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  Speaker 1: bring charges against Harvey Weinstein before American cops can do it?
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  Speaker 1: Please get a move on. There's more. Will it never
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  Speaker 1: end with Harvey Weinstein and all of his alleged attacks
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  Speaker 1: on women, ranging from groping them, harassing them, pressuring them,
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  Speaker 1: chasing them around in a bathrobe that's open in the front. Man,
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  Speaker 1: Please don't do that. It's not sexy. It's really not.
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  Speaker 1: Don't all the way to allegations of rape. Now I'm
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  Speaker 1: finding out he apparently hit on Paris Hilton in a bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Does it never end with this guy? But there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot more than bathroom antics and hitting on Paris Hilton.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to arrest until somebody arrest this guy and we
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  Speaker 1: find out the truth, whether these allegations are true or not.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's think about it. Are all these women lying?
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  Speaker 1: All thirty going on forty maybe more of them? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Are they all lying? Or is it just Harvey Weinstein?
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  Speaker 1: Lyne think about it. That's how I used to put
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  Speaker 1: it to the jury. Joining me right now an all
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  Speaker 1: star lineup, Alexis Terres Chuck joining me from Radar online
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  Speaker 1: dot Com. High profile lawyer Troy Slayton joining me from
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  Speaker 1: l A, apparently the hot bed of Harvey Weinstein activities.
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  Speaker 1: And Dr Bethany Marshall, psycho analys joining me from l A,
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  Speaker 1: and of course Alan Deep joining me from his penthouse
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  Speaker 1: pad in l A. First of all, Alexis terres Chuck.
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  Speaker 1: Does it never end with this guy? No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Every single time you think every last woman has come forward,
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  Speaker 1: and another woman comes forward and surprises you with the
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  Speaker 1: horrific experience that she had with Harvey Weinstein. What's the
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  Speaker 1: very latest? So the latest is an actress named pas
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  Speaker 1: Dela Querta. She was on Boardwalk Empire. She is the
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  Speaker 1: actress that people have really picked on, I'd say for
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  Speaker 1: the last couple of years. She that people say she's
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  Speaker 1: drunk at events, that she's a mess, she's losing her jobs. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she just explained that in two thousand ten, Harvey Weinstein
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  Speaker 1: raped her twice. Perhaps an explanation for why she's had
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  Speaker 1: bad LuFe. What what what? White white white white, white, white,
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  Speaker 1: white white white Alexis holed on. I glanced away from
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  Speaker 1: the microphone for twenty seconds to look up a picture
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  Speaker 1: paras Hilton, and all of a sudden, and all of sudden,
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  Speaker 1: I hearing the words raped twice by Harvey Weinstein. Start over,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me what? Actress pas Dela querta beautiful actress on
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  Speaker 1: Boardwalk Empire, and she says that in two thousand ten,
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  Speaker 1: she had done the movie Cider House Rules a decade
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  Speaker 1: earlier with Harvey Weinstein, so she knew him from that,
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  Speaker 1: never had any experience with him in she met. She
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  Speaker 1: saw him at a club. They hung out. She didn't
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  Speaker 1: say anything and they were drinking or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: She just said they were together at an event. He
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  Speaker 1: offered her a ride home. Who wouldn't take a ride
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  Speaker 1: home with the head of Mirror Max, the biggest movie
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  Speaker 1: studio out there. He insisted that he come up to
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  Speaker 1: her apartment. She said she was apprehensive about it. But again,
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  Speaker 1: the most powerful man in Hollywood, she is an actress,
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  Speaker 1: comes up to her apartment. She says, immediately grabbed her
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  Speaker 1: dress off, ripped it off, and raped her. Now you
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  Speaker 1: said that there were two rape allegations on her part,
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  Speaker 1: She says, a few months later, mid and after midnight,
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Harvey Weinstein is pounding at the
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  Speaker 1: door of her apartment. She lets me in again. She says,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why I did it. I know how
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  Speaker 1: to say no, but it was Harvey Weinstein and I
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  Speaker 1: was overwhelmed. And she says he came in again and
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  Speaker 1: raped her a second time. I'm so just sick, Dr
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, because rape victims sex assault victims always feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's their fault. Well then always, but very often.
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  Speaker 1: I understand. I understand how they feel. I have represented
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  Speaker 1: so many rape victims, and like this case, the first time,
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  Speaker 1: she probably thought, well, I'll let him in. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that was my fault. I let him in. And then
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  Speaker 1: I'm just sick about the way this is unfolding. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm even sicker that no charges have been brought. Help
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  Speaker 1: me get into their minds, Dr Bethany Marshall. We well,
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  Speaker 1: we hear that she led him in a second time,
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  Speaker 1: but what we're not hearing is all the grooming that
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  Speaker 1: took place in between those two rape attacks. So I
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  Speaker 1: would imagine he was stalking her, calling her, texting her.
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  Speaker 1: You know, this isn't just somebody who gets a knock
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  Speaker 1: at her door and let somebody in. This is somebody
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  Speaker 1: who has been brought into somebody's confidence and has let
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  Speaker 1: her guard down, and who can't really believe that this
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  Speaker 1: powerful man would stoop to this level. You know, victims
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  Speaker 1: are always vulnerable, as you know, Nancy. They they sometimes
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  Speaker 1: they have things going on in their lives that make
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  Speaker 1: them vulnerable. Maybe they have histories of being victims. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: they can't imagine that somebody in a position of trust
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  Speaker 1: would do this to them, so they leave themselves wide open,
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  Speaker 1: which is not to say that it's their fault. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's very robust research into the minds of rapists, and
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  Speaker 1: we know that rapists fall into three different categories. One
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  Speaker 1: is a power rapist, but one is something called a
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  Speaker 1: power assertion rapist, and that is the rapist who wants
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  Speaker 1: to imagine that he's wanted. After the rape attack, he
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  Speaker 1: will describe that the woman wanted it. He has no
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  Speaker 1: idea what's going on in her mind. He imagines that
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  Speaker 1: she wants to have sex with him. In his mind,
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  Speaker 1: he's wanted and desirable. And when I read these reports
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  Speaker 1: of him, you know, inviting young women up to his
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  Speaker 1: hotel room, and his robe is unbuttoned, his pot belly
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  Speaker 1: is hairy, chest of hanging out and he actually thinks
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  Speaker 1: this is sexy. This to me really falls into the
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  Speaker 1: category of the power assertion rapists who really wants to
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  Speaker 1: think that they're wanted even though they're not. The big
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  Speaker 1: question can passed Delahuerta help get Harvey wine Stain behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: You know the way she describes what happened, It's awful
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  Speaker 1: and I'm giving your a quote. Immediately when we got
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  Speaker 1: inside the house, he started to kiss me and I
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  Speaker 1: kind of brushed him away. Then he pushed me onto
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  Speaker 1: the bed and his pants were down. He lifted up
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  Speaker 1: my skirt. I felt afraid it was not consensual. That
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  Speaker 1: happened very quickly. She goes on and ends with when
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  Speaker 1: he was done, he said he'd be calling me. I
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  Speaker 1: laid on the bed in chuck, Alexis tures chuck. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just I'm just hurting for this woman because I know
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  Speaker 1: what sex assault victims go through. And for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of your life. You may go on, you may get
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  Speaker 1: another job, you may succeed, you make sale, people may
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  Speaker 1: think you're unstoppable, but in your mind, you still remember
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  Speaker 1: that feeling of powerlessness, of helplessness, of what could I
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  Speaker 1: have done different? Why didn't I do this? Why didn't
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  Speaker 1: I do that? What prompted her Alexis tres Chuck Radar
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  Speaker 1: online dot com to speak out. She said that she
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  Speaker 1: had just seen so many people come forward and that
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  Speaker 1: she realized that her time was within the statute of
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  Speaker 1: limitations and that she could actually do something to stop Harpywind.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing that, she realized that she could actually be effective
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  Speaker 1: and perhaps putting him behind bars. And she just said,
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  Speaker 1: so many people had come forward and she had been
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  Speaker 1: so ready to talk about it. She told two people,
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  Speaker 1: she told, I think her mother and a therapist, hardly
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  Speaker 1: anybody because she was so ashamed of it, and her
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  Speaker 1: career was it went nowhere. She had had a great career.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of women that Harvey had attacked said the
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  Speaker 1: same thing, that he destroyed their career, and that even
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  Speaker 1: mirror Sorvina, who wanted Oscar said, you know, she said,
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  Speaker 1: I had no proof, but my jobs went away after
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  Speaker 1: she turned him down. So Pas finally realized that she
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  Speaker 1: she had nothing left to do. She had to speak out,
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  Speaker 1: and she is the one that may bring him down.
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  Speaker 1: The NYPD says that she's very credible and that she
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  Speaker 1: has given them so many explicit details that they feel
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  Speaker 1: like this is the case that they could prosecute, that
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  Speaker 1: they could arrest Harvey. Sorry, I'm not the lawyer. The
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  Speaker 1: NYPD could arrest Harvey. I get, I understand, I understand.
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  Speaker 1: So this is what we know. Paz Delaharta described to
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  Speaker 1: the NYPD to alleged rapes in two thousand ten. And
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  Speaker 1: as you all know by now, there's no longer statute
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  Speaker 1: of limitations on rape in New York. That's my understanding
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  Speaker 1: of the law. I'm gonna go to Troy Slayton on that.
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  Speaker 1: Delawerta appeared in Weinstein's film cider House Rules, Okay, at
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  Speaker 1: age fourteen. She ran into the producer again Weinstein, at
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  Speaker 1: age twenty six. They were at the Standard at the
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  Speaker 1: Highline Hotel in Manhattan two thousand and ten. She got
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  Speaker 1: a ride home, all right. That's when the first alleged
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  Speaker 1: rape happened. The second happened when Weinstein showed up at
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  Speaker 1: her apartment in the lobby weeks later. And he has,
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  Speaker 1: of course now unequivocally denied any unconsensual sex. Now, according
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  Speaker 1: to the n y p D Chief of Detectives, Robert Boyce,
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  Speaker 1: he has spoken about the allegations, and he says that
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  Speaker 1: I'm quoting, we have an actual case here. We're happy
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  Speaker 1: with where the case is right now. Mr Weinstein is
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  Speaker 1: out of state. We would need an arrest warrant to
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  Speaker 1: arrest him right now. We're gathering our evidence and continue
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  Speaker 1: to do so. Now. It's heartening that they've said that,
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  Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, you're the high profile defense lawyer, but it's
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  Speaker 1: also not saying we've gotten a restaurant ready as soon
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  Speaker 1: as he puts a toe in in New York. So
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  Speaker 1: what do you make of it? Troy? Nancy, the NYPD
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  Speaker 1: is said that these allegations are the strongest that they
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  Speaker 1: have so far, and that they're taking their time to
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  Speaker 1: assemble their case. And it is interesting that New York
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  Speaker 1: got rid of the statue of limitations for rape um
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  Speaker 1: about ten years ago, so this could very well be
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  Speaker 1: the thing that takes Harvey Weinstein down. She said quote,
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  Speaker 1: I was very traumatized. I don't think I was taking
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  Speaker 1: very good care of myself. What happened with Harvey left
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  Speaker 1: me scarred for many years. I felt so disgusted by
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  Speaker 1: it with myself. I became a little self destructive. It
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  Speaker 1: was really hard for me to deal to cope. What
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  Speaker 1: does that main Dr Bethany Marshall, Well, what it means
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  Speaker 1: is that she blames herself for the rape, that the sudden,
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  Speaker 1: unwanted intrusion of something traumatic has left deep scars. One
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  Speaker 1: of the things we know about post traumatic stress disorder
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  Speaker 1: is that it's the unanticipated intrusive nature of what happens
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  Speaker 1: that is sometimes so traumatic that the person cannot prepare
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  Speaker 1: for the trauma. UM. I would imagine that what is
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  Speaker 1: happening to her is similar to many rape victims. That
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  Speaker 1: they dissociate, meaning they disconnect from themselves, which causes a
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  Speaker 1: feeling of being deadened inside, and then often that paves
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  Speaker 1: the way for eating disorders, cutting self destructive behaviors, that
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  Speaker 1: that are really for the purpose of trying to feel
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  Speaker 1: alive again in some way, And that there's massive distrust
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  Speaker 1: in all of her relationships because when something like this happens,
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  Speaker 1: you stop trusting people, and then when you stop trusting people,
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  Speaker 1: you stop letting good things into your life, and then
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  Speaker 1: there's no therapeutic aspect to relationships. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 1: So you don't trust people, you push them away, and
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  Speaker 1: then then all all of a sudden, other bad happenings
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  Speaker 1: start taking place into life. According to the nyp D.
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  Speaker 1: Also now I'm quoting NYPD Detective Nicholas Di Guardia. He says, quote,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, based on my interviews with Paths that from
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  Speaker 1: the NYPD standpoint, we have enough to make an arrest.
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  Speaker 1: Troy's light was the hold up. They d and the
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  Speaker 1: New York County District Attorney's Office want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that they have all their ducks in a row. They
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  Speaker 1: know this is going to be the case of the
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  Speaker 1: of a year, if not the decade, and they want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that they get it right. All eyes
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  Speaker 1: are gonna be on them. He's going to have a
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  Speaker 1: team of high powered lawyers, has been assigned to the
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  Speaker 1: best in the office, so they just want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure they get it right. Let me ask you something, Troy.
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  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot now. New York
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  Speaker 1: and a few other states, a handful of other states
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  Speaker 1: have done away with the statute of limitations on rape,
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  Speaker 1: much like murder. There is no statute of limitations on
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  Speaker 1: murder in any jurisdiction and our country. So now a
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  Speaker 1: handful of states have said there's no statute of limitations.
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  Speaker 1: What I mean by that statute of limitations is this say, Um,
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  Speaker 1: let's just say I go to Troy Slayton's house and
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  Speaker 1: I slash his tires because I don't like what he
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  Speaker 1: said on the Serious radio show. I think criminal damage
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  Speaker 1: to property. You've got like a two to five year
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  Speaker 1: statute of limitations. In other words, if I'm not prosecuted
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  Speaker 1: within two to five years of slashing Troy's tires, they
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  Speaker 1: can't touch me. I'll walk free. Here's my question. That's
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  Speaker 1: what a statute of limitations is. The time within which
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  Speaker 1: you can bring the prosecution has a limit. Okay, you
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  Speaker 1: can't come back on me for slash those tires twenty
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  Speaker 1: years from now, Okay, unless I do it against Troy,
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  Speaker 1: So watch out. And there's a good there's a good
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  Speaker 1: reason for that, Nancy. The reason is because it becomes
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  Speaker 1: harder to defend yourself if years later you have an
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  Speaker 1: alibi about where you were that night when I'm alleging
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  Speaker 1: that you were slashing my tires, and that person dies
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  Speaker 1: or forgets, or you lose some of the evidence that
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  Speaker 1: you had to prove that you were somewhere else. So
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  Speaker 1: there's a good reason for that. So here's my question
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  Speaker 1: to you, Troy s Layton, if New York has now
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  Speaker 1: gotten rid of the statute, does that apply, Could it
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  Speaker 1: apply retroactively to older rape cases, or does that just
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  Speaker 1: apply to cases that occurred since the statute was banned.
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  Speaker 1: The answer is change. The law can't revive a case
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  Speaker 1: that was already time barred. However, some of the older
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  Speaker 1: cases that may not be able to be prosecuted on
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  Speaker 1: their own, can be brought in to show Harvey Weinstein's
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  Speaker 1: m O, to show his habit and routine, to show
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  Speaker 1: the way that he did things, just like we saw
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  Speaker 1: in the Bill Cosby rape trial. There was another case
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  Speaker 1: that was brought in, not to show that he did
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  Speaker 1: something else on another day, so therefore he's a bad
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  Speaker 1: guy and you should convict him, but to show this
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  Speaker 1: is the way that he conducted his criminal acts. So
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  Speaker 1: it's called similar transactions under the law. So again, I
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  Speaker 1: um could get prosecuted for slashing Troy's tires, Troy Slaton's tires,
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  Speaker 1: but sas slash Alan Duke's, Analexis Torres chucks and Dr
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall's but that was fifteen years ago. Those cases
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  Speaker 1: can be brought in with a Troy incident, to show
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  Speaker 1: my m O, my method of operation, my motus operandi,
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  Speaker 1: how I do the deed, my course of conduct, frame
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  Speaker 1: of mind, scheme. So the other rape cases, the other
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  Speaker 1: alleged rate cases and sex assault cases could be brought
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  Speaker 1: in on Pas de la Huerta's case to show Harvey
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  Speaker 1: Weinstein's m O, his course of conduct, frame of mind
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  Speaker 1: and scheme, his motive. Yes, they can come into court
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  Speaker 1: Big question, what about Paris Hilton Alexis Chuck, What happened
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  Speaker 1: with that? So apparently with long time ago? Actually in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand one, Paris Hilton was at this very exclusive
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  Speaker 1: fundraiser am Far, which Harvey Weinstein does every year. I
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  Speaker 1: can't understand you're talking l a valley girl. What did
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  Speaker 1: you just say? Paris Hilton was in a fund. All
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  Speaker 1: I heard was at the very very Harris Hilton went
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  Speaker 1: to a fundraiser. The organization is called amphar A m
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  Speaker 1: F A R. Harvey Weinstein has been involved for decades.
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  Speaker 1: Paris Hilton walked in wearing I think three quarters of
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: a million dollars worth of diamonds on her dress, so
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: she instantly obviously everybody was looking at her, but Harvey
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: zeroed in on her. He basically stalked her throughout the party,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: waited until she went into the bathroom, and actually followed
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: her into the bathroom, tried to push open the stall
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that she was in, trying to get to her. Luckily,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Paris did not open the stall, and security had watched him.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: They thought it was very strange that he was going
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: into the women's bathroom, and they dragged him out of there.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: They had to stay by Paris's side the whole night
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to keep him away from her. They were so afraid
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: that he was going to do something at her, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: he was apparently very lecherously going after her. Oh so,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, let me just wrap this up and put
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: a bow on it. Where is You may not even
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: know this, Alexis Chuk. Where is Harvey Weinstein right now.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: So he is still in treatment, his treatment in Phoenix, Arizona.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: But he actually was spotted over the weekend at a restaurant.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: But he was wearing a disguise. He had on like
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a blonde wig, as if the whole world doesn't know
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: what Harvey Weinstein looks like now, he was trying to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: hide out. He was at a chain restaurant and just
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: chowing down on dinner, but not under arrest, not really
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: doing any intensive therapy, just having dinner out in a way. Okay,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So apparently he's not that concerned Troy Slayton because according
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to TMZ, Harvey Weinstein quote wigs out at Phoenix restaurant.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, have you seen this picture of him? He
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: apparently shows up in a not uh, not so good
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: disguise at a Phoenix restaurant and it was a blonde
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: wig with orange and makeup and a baseball cap. He
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: showed up at something called Chestnut Restaurant. He asked for
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: a private room, but the room was all glass so
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: everybody could still see him. Um, that's what I know.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So how can NYPD get their mits on him, Troy?
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: If he's in Arizona and so called treatment at the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Chestnut restaurant in a blonde wig. As soon as n
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: y p D gets before a judge and gets a
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: warrant signed based on probable cause, they can execute that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: warrant uh in cooperation with local authorities. And he were
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: in the Unit States. He's not going anywhere. Harvey Weinstein
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: is being watched. And I think that as soon as
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: they've got their ducks in a row and they're ready
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: to start their prosecution, then he'll be facing arrest no
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: matter what. To Bethany, why is it that so many
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: people find God when they're behind bars? And let me
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: tell you funny story, Dr Bethany. So when I was
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: first prosecuting, I was doing a plan arrayment calendar, and
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: you know, he brought fifty sixty guys over from the jail,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: maybe three or four women, and I had on a
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: cross necklace. It was very you know, small, but you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I guess they saw it. The next that was on Monday.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I had another calendar on Thursday. No, because I would
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: go through the cases, I would give a plea offer
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: or if there was gonna be one, which they all
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: hated because they thought it was too strict and then
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: they come back, let's stay on Thursday, and they either
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: take the player to put him on a trial calendar.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: When they came back on Thursday, Dr Bethany, about eighteen
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: or nineteen of them had woven and from yarn. I
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: don't know where they got giant crosses, and we're wearing
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: them around their necks and came in and we're like
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: looking at me with these sad puppy eyes. I'm like, okay,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: that yarn, it's not working on me. Okay. So apparently
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: apparently Weinstein has has found the Lord. And you know what,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I'm glad for him if this is true, because he's
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: sure is gonna need it on his hat. This is
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: how I know this. I had a hat at Chestnut
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: restaurant and it was on top of his orange makeup
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and blonde wig. It was a hat and it was
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: inscribed to Cohen twenty four. And there's a Bible verse
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that reads, but God raised him from the dead, freeing
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: him from the agony of death because it was impossible
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: for death to keep its hold on him. So, you
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: know what, I want Harvey Weinstein to, you know, realize
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the bad thing he's done and just go ahead and
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: play guilty and go to jail, don't lie about it,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and he can explore verse two for a nice long
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: time behind bars. Why is he finding God now? Well,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I do not begrudge him God, just like you don't
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: be grudge God. But you know, when you talk about
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: these these convicts coming and they have all these crosses
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: around their neck, and then Harvey Weinstein and he has
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: this Bible verse on his hat, I mean I just
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: tend to think of it as magical thinking, meaning that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: they think God is going to magically swoop down and
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: save them. I also see it as a form of manipulation.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, Harvey is highly manipulative. He always his victims
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: were actresses, women who wanted something from him, and he
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: would target that population. And it's almost as if he's
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: targeting the public at this point by plastering this Bible
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: verse on his hat. You know, Nancy, one of the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: things that really upsets me about this story and uh
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: similar stories where men go to treatment for sex addiction,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: is that this has nothing to do with sex addiction.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: This has to do with criminality. This has to do
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: with being a sex offender. Um, you talked about similar
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: transactions from a legal perspective. I just hear offending pattern.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: He had the same exact offending pattern with each woman,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And you know, I wanted to circle back. You were
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: asking about the destructive psychological effect of being raped or
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: being a sexual abuse victim. One of the tragedies for
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: these victims is that they feel guilty and ashamed because
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: they all wanted something. Sexual abuse victims always want something,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and that's what leaves leaves them wide open. Children want
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: to be loved. That's why they are groomed by adults. Um.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: These women wanted roles. That's why they were targeted by Harvey. Um.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Women want to be seen um as being sometimes acquiescent
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and going along with things and not causing trouble, and
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: that's what opens them up to being victims. And Harvey
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: played right into that. So there's no sexual treatment center
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that's going to help him with that. He's just a criminal, Nancy.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Another issue, I don't understand, And tell me if I'm wrong, Um, alexis,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: But I'm understanding. He did like one week in a
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: facility and now it's quote out patient because I mean
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: he's slinking around. He is slinking around in public with
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: a blonde wig on on an orange and makeup according
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: to TMZ, So if he's in rehab at some facility,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: what's he doing at at chestnut restaurant with a wig on?
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So he only did about one week in treatment and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: now he's doing outpatient treatment, which is clearly not that
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: strick because he's in restaurants with you know, hiding out
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: in a wig, hiding out in plain sight. I guess
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: he is. He's not in a thirty day facility. He's
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: not in a serious treatment center. He and you know,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: he didn't even want to do that one week because
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: he did not want to be away from his cell phone. Okay,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: we're on it and we're waiting for n Y p
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: D to do something. I don't even know what's happening
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: with the l A p D, but I guess you
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: know it looks right now the Brits are going to
• 26:56
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  Speaker 1: by the mystery death of a young teen cheerleader just
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: just gorgeous. Police now looking at possible homicide after the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: girl kill him and Dotti stops breathing in a friend's car.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: That that doesn't even make sense to me, Ca you
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: stop breathing in a friend's car, and now a homicide investigation.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: The teen cheerleader is Keilly Mandotti. Cheryl McCullum, crime scene expert,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: What what do we know right now? Why why don't
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you just stop breathing? Because when they say it that way, Cheryl,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: it makes it sound like she had a health issue.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: But if it was a health issue, why is homicide
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: sniffing around? Well, not just that, if it was a
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: health issue, they would have stayed with her at the hospital, Nancy,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Her friends dropped her off, they bounced, they got out
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of there. So it says to me, the autopsy is
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: going to show some type of illegal substance potentially in
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: her body. There was a reason they fled. You know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking at this photo of her. Cheryl and
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I always would struggle, if you recall of our days
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: in court, to find a way to show the jury
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the victim in life. And you know that's inadmissible. Pictures.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Photos of the victim in life are inadmissible in a
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: court of law and criminal trial because there's no relevance.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And the defense will argue that that's just Nancy Grace
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: trying to get sympathy by showing the jury who this
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: victim was. And I always thought that was just the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: most stupid rule of evidence. But Cheryl I would learn
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: a way around it. For instance, if there had been
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: a blow to the head, I would say, but your honor,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: this is the only way that I can show a
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: really good picture of the victim's head. Because the autopsy
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: photos show the head cut open. The jury can't even
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: tell what that is for pizza with the skin pulled back,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: And that's why I had to show this picture. You know,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I'm looking this picture of this girl and she's got
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: an little cheerleading out fits as tigers and she's in
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: front of a statute of a tiger. He reminds me. Recently,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I went down to Mercer, Cheryl, where you know, I
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: went to underground law school before I went to n
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: y U, and I took a picture with the bear
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: as a giant bear. And here she is, and she's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: got this huge, gorgeous, gorgeous brunette hair down to her waist.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And this is what got me, aside from her big smile.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Somebody spent a lot of money on those teeth. But
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: she's got this huge bow on top of her head, Cheryl,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and that bow. There's always been something about every case
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I investigate or try, there's always one seemingly insignificant fact
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that just I can't get it out of my mind.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: And it's the bow, Cheryl. It's the bow. You know why,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: because that was my little girl's signature of style up
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: until this year when she just turned in. She got
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: she quipped with the bows. No matter where she went,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: she would have a huge it could be huge, it
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: could be little bow stuck on her head, usually right
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: in the middle of her head. And we have a closet,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a tiny, shallow closet of bows, and they're still there.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on the bows because I wanted
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to return to them. When I saw this picture of
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Kelly with that big bow on her head and that
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: big smile, and now I think this girl is dead
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and homicide is investigating. I could help but think about
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Lucy Cheryl. I just could not help it. Yeah, she's
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: read dogs, she's so attractive, she looks like so much fun.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: She's in a sorority, she's a cheerleader on this college campus,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and you think this is the greatest time of her life.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: There's no question, And I agree with you. That bow
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: looks to me like anybody that's ever had a little
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: girl into your leading, that's that thingnature bow right on
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: top of their heads, bigger than their head, so you
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: can see it from the sands, Tony, and that's what
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: it looks like. And I guarantee you that's why she
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: did it, so her family can make her out at
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a distance. Should have the boat. I used to do
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that with Lucy and soccer out of a giant pink
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: bow in her head so I could find her out
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: on the soccer field. The mysterious death of a teen girl,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a Texas cheerleader has totally shaken a small university campus
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and it is Trinity University in San Antonio. Little Kelly
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and Dotti is dead and Texas Rangers are now investigating
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: her death as a homicide. I want to go to
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: John Limley Crime Stories investigative reporter John, tell me what happened?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: How did this girl end up in the emergency ramp?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: In addition to being a nineteen year old a cheerleader,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: she was a sophomore at Trinity University UM and also
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: a sorority sister. Now Texas Rangers are investigating her death,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: as we mentioned, as a possible homicide. The teenager had
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: been a passenger in that car on its way back
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: to San Antonio from Houston during the day on Halloween
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: when someone in the car noticed she wasn't breathing. Okay.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Dr Chloe Carmichael uh, New York psychologist and creator of
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Anxiety tools dot Com, is with us, Dr Chloe. When
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I'm in the car, I've got the twins in the car.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: We're all talking and jabbering and having a good time.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: This morning. I recall when I took him to school.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Lucy got guinea pigs for for her birthday. Don't even
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: ask so she didn't do her times tables, so the
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: whole way we were doing practicing times tables for her test,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and of course John David was butting in, causing mayhem,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and we were all talking the whole whole way. That
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't sound right to me, right there, Dr Chloe, That's
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: what I'm getting at. You drive all the way back
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to school to San Antonio and you just notice after
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a period of times somebody's not breathing. What that doesn't
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: sound right? Dr Chloe. Absolutely, Nancy, it founds absolutely bizarre.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: It's not a narrative that makes any sense. And the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: fact that they're not really offering any other explanation about it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: It seems whether it's a conscious or unconscious type of
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: denial that's going on. When we hear a report like
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: that with just kind of this detachment that that conveys
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that we just noticed that she wasn't breathing. Um, You're
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. It doesn't sound logical at all. In
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: details of who was in the car with Kelly are
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: also unknown. Sherley, you said that they just dropped her
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: off at the emergency room and left. Correct. They apparently
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: took I ten from San Antonio to Houston, which names
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: it is the three and a half hour trip. That's
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the seven hour round trip on top of however much
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: time they spent in Houston, So it could be they
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: thought she didn't taking an apple on the way back,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: depending on what they did then if they were their
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: party in or we don't know why they even went
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: to Houston. We don't even know who was in the car,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: but somewhere about who iurs into the trip, they noticed
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: she's not breathing. They dumped her off at this hospital
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: in some little nowhere towns and leave her and head
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: back to San Antonio with notice. Back to John Lemley,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter. Her friends, the friends of the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: little cheerleader also tight lipped. They say it was definitely
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: not a suicidal I mean, they're in the car weather,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: wouldn't they have known what happened? They're claiming they were
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: quote unusual circumstances. You know what, John, Let's just take
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it from the beginning, okay, because I've gotten as far
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: afield with Lucy's bow and the multiplication tables started at
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the beginning, John Limley, if you don't mind, absolutely, we
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: know that Kaylee Mandati was riding in a car an
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: hour or so away from San Antonio from Houston. This
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: was during the day on Halloween, and again someone looked
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: around and realized that Kaylee was not breathing. They took
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Mandati to a hospital in Lulling, Texas, and then they
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: left the other passengers in the car. Now. Mandatti was
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: later transferred to another hospital in Kyle, Texas, where she
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: was pronounced dead around three forty three that afternoon. Again,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: this was October. Details of who was in the car
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: with Mandatti remain unknown now. The day after Mandati's death,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Trinity University sent out a safety alert to the campus,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: urging students to look out for a man named Mark
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: how Arton, who was not enrolled but was associated with
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the cheerleader. In fact, I did a quick Facebook check
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: this morning before we began talking, and it shows Kayley
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: as one of Howardton's Facebook friends. And speaking of Facebook,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: according to numerous selfies that Howardton made, he was quite
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: the serious bodybuilder and like to chronicle his progress. In fact,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the page is completely filled with these with these selfies
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of Howardton at the gym. Okay, hold on right now,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I'm about to go off track again. Cheryl McCollum. I
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: told my husband, David, I said, you know what, if
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: you get all bulked up and buff, you know what,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I'm calling your parents because I need a man that
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: goes to work. Okay, you do not have time to
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: go be a gym rat and bulk up and work
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: out all day long. Sure, go for a jog, go
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: for a walk, get your cardio in, lift a little
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: weights here and there. But that's it. Now. When a
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: guy is spending four and five hours at a time
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: in the gym, Cheryl, that just something rubs me wrong
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: about that, Cheryl. I hear you, Nancy, But I tell
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: you what rubs me the wrong way is how everybody
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: begin tight Limp, even her family, her sorority, her classmates.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: That let me, let me sleep this out. All of
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: his sealthies in what looks like a iPhone, they're gonna
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: be able to ping that and tell us everywhere he
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: went in Houston and for how long? So again was
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: he there to buy drugs, Dell drogs, What in the
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: world were they doing? Well, this is what the alert
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: says that John Limley is telling us about it. It's
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: got two pictures of him which were pretty easy to
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: find you're right about all those photos, John Limley. It says, quote,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: should you observe Mr Howarton on our campus or any
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: other suspicious activity, please contact university police immediately. Oh seven oh.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Also be aware of your surroundings, reports suspicious activity immediately.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Never attempt to engage the person involved in criminal activity.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Use alerts to directly report to t U p D
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: or see virtual escort twenty four hours a day. Why
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: are they telling students they need a virtual escort if
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: they see this guy? Trinda University p D say they
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: issued Howardtons a criminal trespass warrant. Warning on Howardton he
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: had been on campus before Keely's death. Quote, we want
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: people to know this person is not welcome back on campus.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: He was associated with Kelly. Now that's from the university spokesperson,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Sharon Jones Schwitzer. We've increased patrols, increased the university police presence,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: trying to get the word out to students to be
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: on the lookout. Now, I don't understand what connection unless
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: he was in the car, what connection he would have
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: to her. Also listen to this Cheryl McCollum and autopsies
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: being carried out on Little Kelly, but the results could
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: take three months. You know what that means toxicology, no question.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: And Nancy, here's what article. You know as well as
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I do. The things that go on on a college
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: campus that the campus police are completely unaware of. If
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: they've already zeroed in on this man, he is well
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: known to them, So that tells me he's been an
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: issue on that campus for a minute. They know him,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: so again, he's either a drug dealer or he is
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: somebody that is called major problems on that campus. There's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: something else I don't understand. Dr Chloe Carmichael, creator of
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Anxiety Tools dot com, New York psychologist, joining us today.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Why would her friends not this guy? Why would her
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: friends just drop her at the emergency room and leave
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: her why? Well, yes, Nancy, I'm glad you noticed that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It certainly does. You know. Just it's it's absolutely bizarre.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: It's kind of the opposite of concern um. It kind
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: of goes with this idea that there's a detachment that
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that doesn't seem normal in a friendship where they just report, oh,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: she we've just we've noticed that she stopped breathing, and
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: so we're just going to drop her off at some
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: you know, random emergency room. Um It, the story just
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: isn't adding up. There's there's something about it that just
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: isn't making sense. Questions swirling. What Cheryl, go ahead. You
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: and I had a case where these group of friends
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: dropped somebody off of the emergency room with Grady and
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: they filed what makes perfect Wait? Wait, what case was that, Cheryl.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I don't remember the name of the female, but she
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: odeed in the car and all of her friends, hey it,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: thinking we're gonna go to jail because we were all
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: doing drugs. They take it to the emergency room to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: get her help, but they left her. You know what,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you reminded me of that, Cheryl, because now
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I'm remembering that. You know, Cheryl, I've tried so many
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: cases I cannot even document them all and taken believe
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: or not, cherylne I tried to add it up because
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I would get about a hundred and fifty new felonies,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: all felonies a week, I believe is the way it went.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I can't even remember it. And then that would be
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: four weeks a month, twelve months a year times ten
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I think was the number. It's there's so many. I
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: can't even remember them all now, Cheryl, I remember most
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: of the cases I tried. But you're right just dumping
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: her off um. Questions still swirling around the death of
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: this team cheerleader, Kelley Mandotti. Trinity University is saying it's
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: a very close knit community. Well, if it's this close knit,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: why wasn't this guy already kicked off campus? What was
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: he doing there? She's just a sophomore, for Pete's sake.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: That puts her at about nineteen years old. She died
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: on Halloween Day. We know that Trinity sends out this
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: alert to all the students, and right now everybody has
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: clammed up. Cheryl McCullum, you're the crime scene expert, you're
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the Cold Case Institute director. Why is everybody clamming up?
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: See when everybody gets tight lipped, that makes me highly suspicious.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: They know something that they don't want to tell, Otherwise
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: they'd be talking. So here's one there. She gets in
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the car with this guy that's the known drug dealer.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: They're gonna go to Houston to pick up whatever it
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: is that everybody won'ts so they have the ween party.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: So she gets in the car with some other folks.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: They've all got the money from all the other people
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: that won't. Let's say pot. So they get out there,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: they get the weed. They're on the way back, they're
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: partying on the way back. Let's say the weed they
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: got no good, it's got sentinel in it. She stopped
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: breathing because she has o DS. That could be a
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: major issue where everybody says, we gotta get rid of
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: the weed. We gotta get rid of her the hospital.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: We're out. You know what about this idea, Eryl McCullum,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: and it's Jackie's idea here in the studio with me.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: What if they tried to clean out the car? Maybe
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: what if they left for that reason? Again, we don't
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: know this guy is a drug dealer, whether it's steroids,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: illegal in narcotics, whatever, we don't know that, and he
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: has not been charged with that. We're just trying to
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: figure out what happened to Kelly. I mean, you send
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: your daughter off, You've done all you can do. You
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: finally get them to college where they're gonna do well,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna get out and have a great job
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: and a happy life, and then this, I mean, I
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine it. You know, I dropped my
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: children off in the morning, and I believe I watched
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: him walk in because of Karen Horman, watch him walk
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: in the door. And now that they're safe, and then
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I try not to worry about them the rest of
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: the day. Cheryl, you take your children to this great
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: little university and then your daughter ends up dumped at
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the e r and dead. Cheryl, It's it's unfathomable, Nancy.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: And again, I mean, she's an athlete, she's beautiful, she's
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: clearly intelligent. I mean, she's on that path, she's got
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: the world by the tail, and something had gone terribly wrong.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking at her in this big, big, beautiful smile.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Dr Chloe Carmichael, I cannot imagine what her parents and
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: family are going through right now. Yes, Nancy, it's a
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to imagine that because this is
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the time when they were probably working really hard to
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: let themselves let go a little bit. It's not easy
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: for parents to do that. But as you said, she's
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: a sophomore now, so after you get over that freshman hump,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: then you parents usually start to relax just a little
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: bit um, which is just you know, so and so
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: terribly unfortunate here that just as soon as they were
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: probably beginning to feel a little bit comfortable, um, they
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: got this terrible surprise. And it's really unfortunate too, because
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: it does sound like there is um more to come
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: in terms of surprises. The theory about the idea that
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: they were probably going to get some drugs doing something
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that they shouldn't have been, which would explain why the
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: other you know, young people in the car wanted to
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: try to just drop her off and run away and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: distance themselves. Not that I'm saying that makes it right
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: for them to do that, but at least for us
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: to understand why they would behave in such a bizarre manner.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: So the parents, to your point, Nancy, are probably just
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: in a world of confusion and paine right now. Another clue,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Sheryl McCollum, is that she was taken to the hospital
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: by the people in the car, hospital in Luling before
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: she was transferred to another hospital in Kyle, Texas, and
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: it was later that day she was pronounced dead. So
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: whatever happened to her, it was not immediate. She was
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: alive when she was dropped at the hospital in Luling,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: she was alive when she was at the hospital in Kyle, Texas,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and it was only hours later that she was pronounced dead.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: What indication is that she wasn't shot, she was a
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: strangled dead or she would have been you know, dead
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: much more quickly than that. So what do you think,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: what what does that tell us that one clue that
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: time period, Cheryl, Well, they said she was not breathing,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: so that's probably what they said to the emergency woman. Well,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: that again sounds like potential overdose. If she was an athletic,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: they would have stayed with her, they would have called
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: her mom, they would have called rority sisters. They didn't
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: do that. They dropped her off, which indicates to me
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: they knew so n illegal was going to come about
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the you know, we found out in some way, so
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever she took, thought her from breathing, Well,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they could revive her. So it sounds
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like to me they got her there and they just
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: could not bring her back. Well, the fact that nobody's
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: talking and they've issued this alert to find this Howarton,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: there's much more to the story and the death of
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: a gorgeous young Trinity University cheerleader. We're on it. Nancy
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Gray's crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend,