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Talks to Paul Arthur about his choice of Carnival of Monsters (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker.
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  Good evening and welcome to a hamster with a blunt pen knife.
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  We are back once more. My name is Paul Arthur and I'm
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  here with your host who has no wish to be devoured by alien
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  monstrosities, even in the cause of political process.
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  It is the one and only Mr. Joe Forward.
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  Hi, John. Ethan, he ate a podcast.
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  With you, I'd like to see and. Well, yeah.
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  Don't get me on that subject, all right?
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  Most of them are my friends. I mean, there's so many dot C
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  podcasts. I mean, I think we've talked
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  about this before. I don't know how anybody kind of
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  keeps up with all of that stuff. Some dreary.
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  Most of them aren't. They, yeah, they can be.
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  But, you know, there's kind of room for dry debate, I suppose,
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  or dry discussion about Doctor Who.
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  How many boring people, though, Paul?
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  Let's be honest, yeah? Not people like you and me.
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  Well, yeah, I mean, fandom is a broad church, isn't it?
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  I mean, not everyone is is as charismatic and as as witty and
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  as taining and and also academic as we discussed before our our
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  academic credentials. So not everyone could be us I
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  guess is what I'm saying. But.
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  Broad church or bored church? A broad church?
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  OK, sorry, I've misheard. Yeah, there's.
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  Room for everybody in in Doctor fandom.
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  Indeed, absolutely. And horses for courses and all
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  of that. And tastes and flavours,
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  although you know which boring ones you are.
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  Alright, So kind of full of monsters.
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  Yeah, part 4. It's not at all boring.
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  No. And it is absolutely flown by.
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  I can't believe we're on part 4 already.
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  So yeah, fantastic. We've delved into a bit of
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  history, you know, and seen the the dreadful racism of the past.
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  We've delved into the politics of the future.
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  Indeed. The technology of the present, I
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  guess. Inside the miniscope, we've been
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  chased around by reptile monstrosities.
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  Indeed. And we discussed their mating
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  habits and yeah. We know how we know how now,
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  don't we? Oh, Oh yeah, if you had to with
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  a Jurassic, Yeah, we definitely know how no you.
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  Don't what you want to know the experiments I had to do you know
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  when I was getting my Jurassic PhD?
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  OK, the field work because it was a killer.
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  Was it you're you're out there trying to milk a Jurassic?
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  I had to wrangle those head tentacles.
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  It was. It was a whole thing.
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  Imagine me on top of a drashing eggs.
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  Hang on, there's an egg coming. Yeah.
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  Anyone catch it below the amount we?
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  Lost. That's what those bubbles are in
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  the swamp, is it? It's just kind of like where is
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  flown off into the into the water and bubbling away.
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  Follow this horrible gunk thing Honestly, Yeah, I don't.
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  As a career, folks, I don't suggest it.
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  All right, Thrashing wrangling is not the way to go.
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  It's no job. It's no job for you, son.
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  Although the health and safety pay is huge, all right, the
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  amount of students that have been eaten.
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  They get through them, but you know it's worth it.
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  The end product at the end is is highly priced somewhere here.
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  Now, we've seen some politics in this story already.
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  Yes, I think the political jokes are about to come thick and fast
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  at the start of episode 4. Yeah, you get the, you get the
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  doctor, he's got his, his heckles up and he's, he's yeah,
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  we're talking about it already before we've even started.
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  But yeah, he's on full crusading mode at the beginning of this.
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  And I love how he turns on his head where he's, he's kind of
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  questioning the tribunal and they're wondering, one wonders
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  why the tribunal is submitting to questioning by this creature.
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  Yeah, fabulous. What is it?
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  He says. Will you kindly stop addressing
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  me as the creature? Well, I'm in the mood to watch
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  John Perwee in a bad mood. Should we go and have a have a
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  look? Let's dive straight in, yeah?
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  OK, who started this one? Oh, I've got a counters in OK in
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  3/2 one. Off we go.
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  Get away from it, Paul. It may contain hideous diseases.
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  I. Don't think we talked before
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  about that, that fear of rabies. And I don't know if you remember
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  this as a kid, but like that seemed to be something that kind
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  of hung around forever. Like in the, in the 70s and 80s.
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  There's always, there's always talk about rabies coming to the
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  UK and, and people being afraid of that.
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  So this, this definitely kind of taps into that too.
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  As much as they attempt to suggest otherwise, that Doctor
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  Who was not sort of wrangling the political zeitgeist it was.
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  It absolutely was the minor strike.
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  Come on. Right.
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  Yeah. But I think when you, like,
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  writers are going to write about what's around them as well.
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  When you're fishing around for an idea for for a Doctor Who
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  story, I mean, you're going to be inspired by what's going on
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  around you. And I think, sorry, I think I
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  mentioned before how Cheryl Hall has the hots for the doctor
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  here. She's got to look at disgust as
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  he's growing in size. But very quickly you watch watch
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  her, she's like, oh, he's especially when he's starting to
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  turn on the that anger. She's got a look in her eye.
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  Don't touch it, Paul. It's probably crawling with
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  germs. Not in order.
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  The eradicator cannot be used without official authority from
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  the tribunal. Boy oh boy, I've worked in some
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  jobs where there's some rules like that.
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  Right. Right, I, I used to say, look,
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  can we just do something please that.
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  'D be easier if we could just do this, but we've.
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  Got to fill out the forms first. OK, here we go All perk was in a
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  mood. I may well become exceedingly
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  hostile. Silence.
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  This tribunal is deliberating. This tribunal is not
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  deliberating, it's arguing. And quite nonsensically, if I
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  may say so. I mean, every line's a banger
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  here, isn't it? Right.
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  And this is, this is doctor here in my eyes, he's the doctor.
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  The doctor is the guy who walks into a room, commands the room
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  straight away. He's able to whoever it is,
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  whatever authority they have, he's able to kind of that they
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  are able to just take control straight away.
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  I love that inner doctor. I'm so sorry.
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  I just knocked over my banjo, but OK, I'll just put that over
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  there. No, no, I wasn't going to start
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  playing Dudley Simpson style, don't worry.
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  He goes, What is he? Are you?
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  Sure it's not Metabolius free? The Flame is the planet of the
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  Actium Galaxy. It's because it's the only
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  planet per we could remember. Now this podcast is outrageous.
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  Paul, who is responsible for this?
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  Yes. Well, I mean, it's, I believe
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  it's yours, isn't it? I mean, I'm, yeah, I suppose I'm
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  here on the podcast, but I have said that I'm deporting you
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  straight away. So.
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  Yeah. I believe it's Joe Ford and his
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  glamorous assistant Mr. Paul Arthur.
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  With my my planets. Oh, we're going to go.
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  One really reminds his audacity or I'm so he's he's my absolute
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  faith. Oh dear, that you have allowed
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  the importation and use of something directly expressly
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  forbidden by galactic law. One did not allow it.
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  One has already ordered the deportation of the Lermans in
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  their machine. See now this is now I think
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  we've spent a lot of the money for Carnival in Space.
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  So now notice a lot of this is dialogue heavy.
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  Now as we head into episode 4. That means there are some pony
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  effectuals towards the end of the episode as the trashing
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  comes out the miniscope. Yeah, yeah, absolutely right.
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  The shape of it's kind of unusual, isn't it?
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  And we talked earlier about the monster cliffhanger not being
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  Part 1, it's Part 2. So you're right with Part 3 was
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  where all the action was. And now part 4 is kind of just
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  the talking almost, isn't it? So.
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  Yeah. It's like such a hero, he goes,
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  if you will allow me to rescue my.
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  Companion and help those poor unfortunates.
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  I might overlook the matter. Oh, Vogue.
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  One of us. Yeah, Yeah.
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  Yeah, Paul Fulani, Nakani. Hey, this is what's something I
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  wanted to talk to you about. So the Plari, I mean, I don't
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  know how you feel about this is a gay man and the fact that
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  Plaris really associate with with gay communities.
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  I know that. I was a gay man.
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  Sorry, Drastic Wrangler, I apologise.
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  Yeah. Oh God, I want to cancel now.
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  So yeah, I don't know. I mean, I know that Polaris was
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  used by fairground types, carnival types, but I think the
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  association is more with with the gay community of the 40s and
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  50s. I didn't know that what like a
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  secret language because they just couldn't be honest.
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  Yeah, exactly that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So I mean, he's right in saying it.
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  Saying that is something that carnival folks would have said,
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  but I think specifically, I mean, I don't know, I'm not an
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  expert on this. So if anybody knows more about
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  these kind of secret languages and let us know.
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  I I find. The bit where he goes verda de
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  bona pallone that. Barry, let's translate, says
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  What do you think of the pretty girl?
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  Pretty girl. Yeah, so.
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  It's like their way of sneaking in some sort of risque diamond.
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  Right, right, right. Oh, here he goes, The doctor
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  goes. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I do
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  not understand your language. You suddenly put some of a
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  really posh voice. Apparently.
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  It's really strange. But like that's what I would say
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  to the kids now. I'm sorry, I don't understand
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  what anything you will say don't get.
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  Me started. I must apologize, says the
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  doctor. He's so polite.
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  Cheryl in the background here, Just fantastic.
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  This. Is gold.
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  Are you a showman, Sir? I am the great folk.
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  Oh, look at the doctor. Something something I could
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  throw in here, right? So back in back in the day, I
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  used to want to be a comic artist or slash writer and I
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  wrote, wrote and I sent art samples to DWM live on the comic
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  strips. Got quite a nice kind of plight,
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  but no thank you kind of let us back.
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  But I also tried to write scripts and stuff and I did
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  start I never finished it, but I did start a Vorgan Scherner
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  comic strip and it was basically the rough idea was it was a bit
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  like the Blues Brothers where they've kind of just pissed off
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  all of the Galaxy. So they start off and they
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  they're on Mars trying to trying to use them, you know, trying to
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  drum up the business with a mini scope with Ice Warriors.
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  And then they get they get chased off Mars and then they
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  just kind of pursued around the Galaxy by every kind of doctor.
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  Oh, I want it. Oh my God.
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  Why didn't DWM snap your hands up for that?
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  Well, actually I don't. I don't know if I I did that for
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  for them or where I thought I was going to use that or don't
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  know if it might have been for a fanzine at the time.
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  But I never finished it. And like a lot of a lot of
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  things I started, I just kind of have this great idea and never
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  finish it. But do you still draw now?
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  A little bit. I think you, I think you saw
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  some of my yeah, I think you did comment on some pictures I
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  posted on Blue Sky. Don't.
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  If you remember, they would. Tell me which ones I mean.
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  I comment on a lot of things now.
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  Which pictures was there in particular?
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  They were some doodles of robots so robot themed were pictures
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  like she did. Oh my God.
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  Gorgeous. Oh.
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  Thank you very much. Oh, you have to do me a favour
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  for this thing. Yeah.
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  I mean, not if it's going to take you a long time.
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  I don't want to go. You're a man with a life.
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  But please, if you can do a photograph of a drashing with me
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  wrangling his head tentacles to go out with this picture, you
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  and me up the top here, holding on to the tentacles.
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  I mean, come on, that would be gold marketing, wouldn't it?
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  Let's let's do it. Yeah.
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  OK, Yeah. Let's see how good your
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  drashings are, right? OK.
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  That sounds like a great story. I mean, that's the sort of story
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  you you would have got as a book.
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  Like there's a, there's a Glitz and Dibber book that where they
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  do like an Ocean's 11th style heist from BBC books.
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  It's that sort of thing, isn't it?
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  So I've taken these fun characters and going wild with
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  them. Well, yeah.
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  And I love that idea. I love, you know, homeless
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  characters are so rich. Obviously.
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  That's why you've got Jacob and Lightford were able to live on
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  in Big Finish for so long and they've got legs because they're
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  just so well, well realised. Well, and because Vogue is like
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  just think of every Only Fools and Horses plot and put it in.
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  Space with Vogue and Shona it. Won't be gold.
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  Obviously he's the Dell boy and she's the Rodney.
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  Right. Oh no, what's that?
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  Oh God, it's the thrashing. Coming out if they get the
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  foresight of their leaders. Oh Gee, oh, we goes.
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  Yeah, we thought we'd just take the shuttle.
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  All right, see you later. Oh dear, Oh dear.
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  That'll be me and you running away from social media when
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  we're cancelled after this. Oh yeah, we thought we'd check
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  out Blue Sky. All right, see you later.
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  Oh boy, oh boy. Oh, now look, I know that there
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  isn't the production thing, isn't there?
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  Of the. The inter minor makeup.
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  The the wig. Yeah, the ball cap.
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  Started slipping. Yeah, that's that's weird.
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  Actually, if you look at that last shot, Vogs doing the the
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  game with the seed pods and stuff, he's doing it on some
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  sort of cardboard tube. So that looks crap anyway.
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  So why are you worried about the wig coming off?
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  I'm not too sure, but obviously Barry had a bit of a thing for
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  that. For that, going out again,
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  wanted to make sure it was OK. Some of the things he let in
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  though, I mean. Right, yeah, seems like a weird
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  line in the Santa drawer, but you know.
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  There's another wonderful story about Barry Les as a director.
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  Liz Sladen tells it right, but it's her and Jenny McCracken.
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  It's on the commentary for this. They're doing one of the, I
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  think it's Alice or Gulliver's Travels, and they're both
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  playing sort of smaller parts, but they've got like a comedy
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  scene together and Barry's telling them, directing them to
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  do it. I ain't working.
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  Whatever he's saying, it isn't working.
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  They go home and get on the phone and go, God, this.
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  It's just not what he's asking us to do.
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  It's not working. And they said, And so they
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  rehearse something over the phone together, their own way.
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  And he came in and that that the next day they went to the
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  rehearsal room and went, oh, you know, like he isn't working.
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  We've tried this. What do you think?
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  And he was furious. And he went like, I am the
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  director. And I say how it goes around
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  here, you know, like properly getting on this sort of
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  authority. And then they went, all right,
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  but just let us show you. And they showed him and
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  apparently stood there Stony faced, watched the whole thing
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  play out and then just burst into laughter and went, Oh my
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  God, it's brilliant. So much better than what I was
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  doing. Like, let's do it.
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  So apparently, like he could have moments, but he always
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  went, you know, got it right in the end.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, he seems like a proper
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  gentleman and I've, I think that's the thing.
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  When you're a director, you need that kind of authority still,
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  didn't you? So you don't want people to
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  usurp in that and thinking they could do what they want.
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  But when someone chooses something better, I mean, you're
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  going to go. Recognise talent you.
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  Know. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  You cast them for a reason, so yeah.
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  I think that was one of Douglas Canfield's big strengths.
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  I was listening to Graham Harper recently and he was saying
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  Douglas Canfield would always listen to the actors.
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  And if the actor said, look, I could do this, it's a little bit
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  more I can give if I do that, that, that that.
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  And he would always say, all right, we'll try it quick
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  because I'm working to a regimented schedule, you know,
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  Right. Do it.
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  Yeah. Don't always listen to the
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  actors, but listen to the actors.
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  Sure. Yeah, unless it's like Tom and
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  he's playing up and you know, yeah, you got to still have that
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  authority to get the job done and make sure you got it in the
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  can. And I could come in backwards
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  juggling kittens. You know.
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  Shut up, Tom. Oh look, it's night time on into
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  mine. Right.
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  Yeah. And again, we've got that lovely
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  singer that I think they're talking like nobody can hear
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  them, even though the set's really small and they're across
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  the room. But it's that convention of TV
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  where, you know, people are kind of, you see 2 heads close
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  together on the screen and so you kind of know that they're
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  conspiring. But it is the sort of scene you
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  would have in Yes Minister of talking heads coming right in
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  and delivering fast political dialogue.
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  Does Orem get eaten? Kelly gets eaten, doesn't he?
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  Do we see what happens to Warham?
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  You've tested me now we'll have to see.
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  Well, I think this is what happens, you know, when you
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  involve your Oh. He goes, we'll have to help them
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  along and he opens up. Come on, come on out, my little
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  beauties. It's a good thing we don't see
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  them coming out of out of the little puppets.
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  Perhaps we'll have to give them a little help, Paul.
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  Oh, she's back doing her skeleton keys.
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  Again, right? Love the skeleton key.
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  So what is it? There's a key there for every
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  occasion, is that right? Yeah, Skeleton keys, I think are
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  just those sort of things that you read about in the comics.
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  And I never really knew what they were.
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  I just was fascinated by the name.
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  And I think it's just, yeah, you're meant to be able to open
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  up any lock with them. Well, don't you think there's
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  any lock? Or I can't get through now.
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  All right. Do you think this is Pertwee's
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  best jacket? I mean, look, it is lovely, the
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  green in. This.
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  Yeah, but that's interesting. I like the.
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  I like the blue from invasion of dinosaurs, I think.
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  Oh. I like actually the green one
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  from Monster of Peloton, which is a darker green that's
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  beautiful as well. I don't really like the pinkish
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  1, you know, sort of peachy one that he wears in Thai Monster.
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  No, Yeah, yeah, it looks better. The the kind of deeper red looks
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  better, I think. Yeah.
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  OK, so the doctor's back in the machine now.
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  He's off to rescue Joe. Do we do we like doctors wearing
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  different kind of variations on their costume?
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  I think it's, I think it works certainly for per we, we get all
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  the different coloured jackets. I do think, I know it sounds
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  absurd, but I do think I like to see a recognisable shape, but I
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  don't mind some different. Like, I love it in The Two
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  Doctors where Colin takes off the coat and he's just wearing
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  the waistcoat, but it's still clearly Colin.
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  Yeah. Whereas yeah, Shooty Gatwar,
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  every week it could have been a different person or the
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  different clothes he wore. Yeah.
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  Is that a line too far, do we think?
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  Where it's like, as you say, you don't get that recognisable
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  silhouette like with Pertwee, the same jacket, just different
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  colours, you know? So I.
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  Actually wish Jodie wore more period clothes and things like
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  that when she was in it. Oh, I love, I love the inverted
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  colours in in Fluxy got the with the darker jacket.
• 20:08
  I thought that was yeah, that's really good.
• 20:09
  They should have done more of that, definitely.
• 20:10
  You know when she turns up at the start of Dear Darcy and
• 20:14
  she's got the bonnet off? Right.
• 20:16
  She looks great. Actually.
• 20:17
  I would really like her without the coat on when it's just the
• 20:20
  T-shirt and the braces and you see that picture that she she
• 20:24
  gave us inspiration. She's like, you know, there's a
• 20:26
  picture of some young woman from the 80s wearing, you know,
• 20:30
  T-shirt and trousers and that was the inspiration for it.
• 20:33
  I actually think she looks better like that with just the,
• 20:35
  you know, without the jacket on, but.
• 20:37
  Now. Ohh no.
• 20:38
  I loved her Inspire for when she was wearing the tucks.
• 20:41
  Ohhh, yeah, yeah, that's that's true.
• 20:42
  Yeah, I've never fancied. A woman more ohh my word snap.
• 20:49
  We just missed that the. Fabulous shot of Katie Manning
• 20:52
  in the distance with John Perry in.
• 20:54
  The we did. We did, yes.
• 20:55
  Yeah, that works so well, isn't it?
• 20:57
  That that well you you see the the distance between the two
• 21:00
  locations. This is now pure panto.
• 21:03
  It's like Orum, you hold off play rack.
• 21:05
  I'm going to get this. Doesn't Orum just go in with any
• 21:10
  old nonsense? So this sort of political
• 21:12
  nonsense, he starts talking to him about what?
• 21:14
  Impudence, you know. Oh, like we get we get some
• 21:19
  sudden back story for Volgiver as part of he was in the army
• 21:24
  the 14th heavy laces. What's a crustaceoid?
• 21:28
  Well, I picturing a big crab in Army uniform.
• 21:32
  That's that's kind of my yeah. Popular in the 17th Battalion,
• 21:36
  were they? 14th heavy lasers.
• 21:38
  Oh, sorry, yeah. You see, our words just come
• 21:41
  out. Oh, this is great.
• 21:44
  So the whole machine's heated up and all of our characters on the
• 21:48
  ship. Oh.
• 21:49
  God, but they were joking earlier, joking earlier on about
• 21:52
  not handling the heat. So it's still like for them,
• 21:54
  like, oh, suddenly really, really hot and.
• 21:57
  They're all falling down and we have come to like these
• 22:01
  characters, so the idea that they're going to expire is
• 22:04
  actually there's some tension. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:08
  I thought I missed a bit where he goes some spots fad in
• 22:13
  himself. We've all had this falling lucky
• 22:18
  in the way at work and we get out the way you.
• 22:21
  What impotence? We live in trouble.
• 22:27
  Get out of the way or oh fucking hell.
• 22:33
  That Here we go. Kelly's getting it now.
• 22:35
  Look. At Michael Witch's face.
• 22:39
  Did you see your fork's face as well?
• 22:42
  Pure comedy shock. But we've been sold on this by
• 22:47
  Wolf that these are unstoppable carnivals.
• 22:51
  I will, you know, we'll just kind of hunt you down forever,
• 22:53
  so. That was a line from a fucking
• 22:57
  Carry On movie, he went. Oh, sabotage.
• 23:04
  I love, I love this. You see, seeing the directing on
• 23:07
  the into minor set. I think that way actually works
• 23:09
  well there. Actually you need that bit of
• 23:11
  back story about him being in the What was in this?
• 23:14
  The the 14 fibrillators for them exactly so so yeah, he's able to
• 23:18
  take the eradicator and and do the job.
• 23:20
  Yeah. Yeah, better spectacle there,
• 23:22
  shooting the thrashings with the laser gun boom.
• 23:25
  And of course we've been talking about the Eradica throughout the
• 23:27
  entire story. Yeah, it's been set up there all
• 23:31
  along. And it was going to be used as
• 23:32
  part of the of of Karlick's plan and is ultimately the solution.
• 23:38
  Right. Doesn't she go cool?
• 23:41
  Well, you may as well throw the lever anyway, just in case.
• 23:44
  Right. Oh, make it look tough.
• 23:50
  Come on. Great heavy acting from Leslie.
• 23:55
  No, wait, it's moving. And, oh, look back to the
• 24:02
  swamps. Now that trashing there is
• 24:05
  heavily pregnant, You make sure it gets back to the swamp
• 24:08
  safely. All right.
• 24:10
  OK, I shall be on top of its head in no time.
• 24:19
  Jesus Christ, what's happened to the top of that mini?
• 24:21
  Scope, it's completely destroyed, isn't it?
• 24:24
  So that's the end of that, yeah. I mean, I'll be honest, that is
• 24:29
  a very lightweight prop, isn't it?
• 24:30
  That Miniscope? I mean, it looks like it's made
• 24:33
  out of cardboard. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:35
  When you see it in Part 1, coming off the conveyor belt
• 24:37
  with yeah, being manhandled by the functionaries doesn't look
• 24:39
  like it's up to much. I'm not entirely sure that the
• 24:42
  CET machine in Nightmare of Edom looks much more expensive
• 24:47
  though. No, you're right.
• 24:49
  Exactly the same idea. Yeah, Yeah.
• 24:52
  You know, if you're going to go to the effort of like building a
• 24:54
  pride, I assume it was made just for this.
• 24:58
  You know, there's not a lot of cash, so you're going to going
• 25:03
  to make something that works just for that one story.
• 25:06
  It is so rare in classic who to give a coder to guest characters
• 25:11
  like this without the Doctor and his companion involved.
• 25:14
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. And we did have a little bit
• 25:16
  that would we talked about Kablan where there's this thing
• 25:19
  at the end where it's, you know, they're talking about going to
• 25:22
  see Dan's kid. But you're right, that's the
• 25:24
  doctrine and and the team there. But you yeah, seeing the Bernice
• 25:29
  Gang here, you're right. It's it's a weird.
• 25:31
  And you've kind of won it because you know they've been
• 25:33
  going round and around. So that's the fact that they get
• 25:35
  a resolution is so refreshing. Right.
• 25:39
  And she almost gets says you almost slaps.
• 25:41
  I knew something was wrong. He goes.
• 25:43
  It feels like it's the longest. Book I've read in my life.
• 25:46
  I mean, I've been reading some new adventures lately, so I know
• 25:48
  how he. Feels.
• 25:51
  Because what was it? I thought he was going to marry
• 25:54
  her. He went off to be a missionary.
• 26:00
  Oh so. She's now she HC her and Andrew
• 26:02
  so they can have their romance and then he just crosses across
• 26:07
  the date don't he to say. Indeed, yeah.
• 26:09
  It's the end of the day. Yeah.
• 26:11
  It's. I wonder if I've seen this.
• 26:14
  And as light as the story's been right, it keeps up the tone.
• 26:20
  And you write, this is very different for Dog 2, isn't it
• 26:22
  very how how rare that he is to have a scene like that?
• 26:26
  And now we get to do what we normally do on Doctor Who, which
• 26:29
  is goes to the real place and, you know, they're sort.
• 26:33
  Of see the doctor slope off and you.
• 26:35
  Think Forks going to be all right?
• 26:36
  Yeah, I think he's going to be OK.
• 26:38
  Yeah. I don't know if Shona would hang
• 26:40
  around though. She I could see her leaving him
• 26:43
  and doing something else. I did, yeah.
• 26:45
  No, excuse me, you've already written the story.
• 26:47
  Or she does hang around. I'll have a mini adventure with
• 26:51
  the Ice Warriors. Indeed.
• 26:53
  Yeah, Magham pods. What the hell are those?
• 26:57
  But you see here that that prop is shown.
• 26:59
  It's just a bit of cardboard. Oh yes, you can see the lines on
• 27:03
  the Yeah, painting it silver. Maybe that was what?
• 27:06
  Is there supposed to be a dustbin?
• 27:08
  I don't. Yeah, I don't know.
• 27:10
  But you. Oh, actually, look at his
• 27:12
  headpiece now. I mean, it is visible, but I
• 27:15
  don't think it's the end of the world.
• 27:16
  I mean, it's like, it's not like you kind of knew that they
• 27:18
  weren't balls anyway. As a kid, I knew that that was a
• 27:21
  ball cap, you know, So that wouldn't be a deal breaker for
• 27:26
  me. I already kept it in.
• 27:27
  I'd be more concerned about this cardboard that we're seeing
• 27:29
  here. So, but you know, do you care to
• 27:33
  put a wager on the fact, Paul, that this commentary might be in
• 27:36
  the top 10 hamsters of the year? There were just a couple of
• 27:38
  credit baths. Yeah.
• 27:41
  Well, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean we will be, but.
• 27:47
  I don't know his popular story. This is true, Yeah, I picked up,
• 27:51
  picked a popular one. It probably wind up being
• 27:55
  president. And now we're talking about
• 27:57
  Trump. Now aren't we a showman becoming
• 28:01
  president? Right.
• 28:03
  And I just love how we get Cheryl gets the the last look
• 28:06
  here for a story. It's all about mirroring as
• 28:10
  well. The very the very beginning.
• 28:11
  We didn't talk about it the very first episode, first person we
• 28:14
  sees Aurum who's like he's the you know, the lackey, you know,
• 28:18
  he's the least important of the the three tribunal guys.
• 28:21
  And there we see Shona, who's the sidekick essentially.
• 28:24
  But I mean she's got more agency than foregas a lot of the time,
• 28:28
  but she is the sidekick. So again, it's.
• 28:31
  It's not the major players though, is it?
• 28:33
  Right, right, exactly. He's not the major players and
• 28:35
  the way that the this the the rhyming of this whole story.
• 28:39
  You know, we talked about a lot the inter miners and that's.
• 28:42
  Probably. Even more than we haven't seen,
• 28:44
  you know? Yeah.
• 28:45
  Yeah. He's such a clever blow, Rob
• 28:46
  Holmes. I'm sure he's tying things up
• 28:48
  all the time. Yeah.
• 28:50
  But I think I mean again, that might even be Barry let's his
• 28:54
  choice having Cheryl at the end. I don't know but.
• 28:57
  I think she said she she says on the commentary and Jeremy
• 29:00
  Kraken's going, oh, I see you got the final shot.
• 29:04
  Sorry, but she's. There going well I hear that the
• 29:09
  scene where I almost remember was in one of the top 50 best
• 29:12
  Doctor Who moments of all time. She's not having her Thunder
• 29:15
  stolen at all. Well, Paul, just the light for
• 29:20
  what a wonderful story. Yeah.
• 29:23
  I mean, it's one of those rare Doctor Who stories that every
• 29:26
  time I watch it, I think I appreciate it a bit more.
• 29:30
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's got so much to give and it
• 29:33
  does work on multiple levels, I think so, yeah, you can can go
• 29:38
  back to, I think it's the performance on an earlier
• 29:40
  episode. It's, it's one of those ones
• 29:43
  that doesn't disappoint later in life, you know, enjoyed it as a
• 29:47
  kid, enjoyed the colour and the spectacle of it.
• 29:50
  And then coming to it as an adult and, and learning to
• 29:54
  appreciate how, how clever it is.
• 29:57
  Just yeah, yeah. Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if this
• 30:04
  will end up top five one day. I don't know.
• 30:06
  I just, I just think it is a delightful watch on just about
• 30:10
  every level. So finding our top three
• 30:13
  fabulous things to recommend this story is going to be
• 30:17
  difficult because I could probably name 10.
• 30:20
  Yeah, yeah. Now, would you like to go first,
• 30:22
  or shall I? If you want to go first I that's
• 30:26
  that's fine. I am going to say then I won't
• 30:29
  choose all the double acts because that's not fair.
• 30:33
  But I am going to. I'm going to say Vogue and
• 30:35
  Scherner. It's just Holmes wheelhouse.
• 30:40
  I feel like these sort of large eccentric characters are people
• 30:43
  that he's met in his life because he's got this patter
• 30:46
  just perfect, you know, Garen and unstuff glitz and Dipper
• 30:50
  fork and shirt. It's, you know, funny double axe
• 30:56
  that I mean, like they're not really pushing the narrative
• 31:00
  along, are they? Them commenting on the narrative
• 31:02
  more than anything. But then you put it in the hands
• 31:05
  of Cheryl Hall and Wesley Leslie Dwyer.
• 31:08
  Seasoned, you know, proper actors.
• 31:11
  Oh, it's just gold. Yeah.
• 31:13
  And I and extra points for never once hinting that there's
• 31:18
  anything romantic between the pair of them.
• 31:20
  Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. As as as you wouldn't with the
• 31:24
  Doctor and and the companion Evo.
• 31:26
  I don't. I don't think anyway,
• 31:28
  personally. I mean, you think you think when
• 31:30
  you that you couldn't have the showman and the showgirl as
• 31:33
  characters in a Doctor Who story, but there they are.
• 31:37
  It's great. And I think I mean there's so
• 31:39
  many stories where you get the same kind of characters.
• 31:41
  You get hard beaten mercenaries or soldiers and and you know,
• 31:47
  kind of fairly boring kind of characters like that.
• 31:50
  And then you get these talk a lot about colour.
• 31:53
  I just love the the colourful nature of them.
• 31:55
  I just think they're brilliant and the fact that they've kind
• 31:58
  of arrived on this grey boring planet and they're just kind of
• 32:03
  they actually arrive in in grey space suits.
• 32:05
  So they look like they're kind of with the functionaries and
• 32:08
  then taking all that off and like, you know, stripping off.
• 32:11
  Through most garish costumes. Yeah, until Colin Baker shows up
• 32:16
  in Doctor Who. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:20
  Well. My first one.
• 32:22
  I've talked about him a lot. I think he's fantastic.
• 32:25
  I've got to go for Terrance Lodge.
• 32:28
  I love the performance. His performance is Aurum.
• 32:31
  I watched, I watched a little bit of Magra Terra last night
• 32:34
  just to just to kind of like get an idea for how different that
• 32:40
  performance is. And it is him as Murdoch in that
• 32:44
  I think very, very different to how he is here.
• 32:47
  And I everything I talked a little bit about how he's how
• 32:50
  he's moving, just how he appears in the backgrounds when he's not
• 32:54
  actually got dialogue. He's kind of like always on and
• 32:57
  he's always watchable. You can just watch him.
• 33:00
  So yeah, definitely, he's my first pick.
• 33:03
  The fauna is an underrated character in Doctor Who or Mr.
• 33:09
  Fibulae. You know, these ones that are
• 33:10
  like, Oh yes, yes, you. Know what's the fellow?
• 33:14
  'S name in Andrews of Tara Master.
• 33:17
  You know, they're always very, very funny.
• 33:21
  Well, my second thing then it can only be the drashings, of
• 33:25
  course, of course. Most terrifying female race of
• 33:30
  monsters ever to appear in Doctor Who.
• 33:34
  I think it's a great design. I think it's very, very well
• 33:37
  shot. And just the line.
• 33:40
  They ate a spaceship. It says everything.
• 33:44
  No, no. But it's the idea that that
• 33:47
  we're commenting on popular Doctor Who monsters and not
• 33:51
  making that a popular Doctor Who monster within the story, but
• 33:55
  something original. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:57
  And just the idea that the ambitious idea of moving these
• 34:02
  ridiculous puppets from location work into studio work by a model
• 34:08
  work, it's just insane and. You know, some of it doesn't.
• 34:13
  Work visually, who gives a fuck? It is, it's crazy.
• 34:18
  I love it. I think it works visually for
• 34:21
  the the time that it's made, you know, for the the show that it
• 34:24
  was at that point and particularly with Barry's
• 34:27
  obsession with CSO. But yeah, I've, I've, I've got
• 34:31
  no problem with the way that is, is presented.
• 34:34
  And I think, yeah, you're right that there's a cracking design
• 34:36
  they. Had great favourites with the
• 34:38
  children. They had great favourites with
• 34:40
  me as well. Yeah, 2 for me.
• 34:44
  I, I want to give it to the designer, Roger Leamington.
• 34:49
  We, we haven't talked too much about design.
• 34:50
  We talked about a little bit with the interior of the, the
• 34:53
  mini scope and, and how that looks.
• 34:55
  But I love the fact you've got 3 distinct locations or, or 4 if
• 35:00
  you can, so that the filming stuff.
• 35:01
  But you've got, you know, the Bernice interiors that that we
• 35:06
  talked about the the kind of interior on the underneath, all
• 35:10
  that lovely rivet stuff and how that looks and that looks the
• 35:13
  study. Is beautifully dressed the
• 35:16
  cancer and the paintings and. But the the those sets are quite
• 35:20
  detailed and they, you know, juxtapose the quiet minimalist
• 35:26
  into minor sets where you haven't got a huge amount going
• 35:29
  on. But I still I'm still sold on
• 35:32
  the idea of this, this studio being an alien world.
• 35:37
  I I bind far more into kind of studio planets than I do kind of
• 35:41
  quarries. I think so.
• 35:43
  I'm always kind of a sucker for for the studio based story like
• 35:46
  this, but it's surreal enough that the interminer it it it
• 35:52
  doesn't it's not showy, but it's still quite surreal.
• 35:56
  And then on top of that you've got the as I say, the inside of
• 35:58
  the mini scope, which is all shapes, colours and looks huge
• 36:02
  and kind of expansive. Yeah, I think he does fantastic
• 36:06
  job it. Feels like it's alive.
• 36:07
  I know I went on about the pulsing light.
• 36:09
  It just feels like a like a lifting or a technological
• 36:12
  Organism. Fabulous.
• 36:15
  I know I tend to overstate these things, but I don't care.
• 36:18
  It is hyperbole. That from a bit of hyperbole,
• 36:22
  yeah. And we're talking about Carnival
• 36:23
  of Monsters, for God's sakes. I mean, it's the.
• 36:26
  It it, it gives it scope, you know, because you've got the
• 36:28
  ship, because you've got the marsh, because you've got the
• 36:30
  actual mini scope innards, because you've got M2 minor.
• 36:34
  There's just huge scope in this story.
• 36:36
  Yeah, Yeah, it's obviously. Being done in a bloody BBC
• 36:39
  studio. I like, I like a classic story
• 36:42
  where you go to a different location kind of halfway
• 36:45
  through, so it suddenly switches to something completely
• 36:47
  different. But this does it all the way
• 36:49
  through, like from the very first episode, and does it
• 36:51
  constantly. Every couple of minutes is going
• 36:53
  from one to the other. And you get to.
• 36:56
  See us going from one to the other as well.
• 36:58
  Through doors, you know, through that doors, a cave, through that
• 37:02
  caves, a marsh. My last thing then has got to be
• 37:07
  I just think Manning and Pertwee are on point in Season 10.
• 37:11
  I think they're always pretty great, but there is a something
• 37:16
  sparkling about their relationship this year.
• 37:19
  They're so relaxed with each other.
• 37:22
  They're almost finishing each other's lines half the time, you
• 37:24
  know? And I think we're at a point
• 37:26
  where the 3rd Doctor can kind of talk down to Joe, and Joe is
• 37:32
  confident enough to sort of bounce back, which is really
• 37:36
  nice because that wasn't quite there in Season 8.
• 37:39
  It just felt very, very patronising at times.
• 37:43
  Yeah. Just wonderful.
• 37:44
  So they get lots of time together in this story.
• 37:47
  So I'd highlight this as one of the highlights of their run
• 37:51
  together. And, you know, fuck me in Part
• 37:53
  3, they're running through marshes away from slavering
• 37:56
  monsters. I mean, it's as delightful as
• 37:58
  Doctor Who gets. Yeah, absolutely.
• 38:02
  Finally for me, I'm glad you didn't go for it.
• 38:04
  I've I've got to give it to Robert Holmes, of course.
• 38:09
  He is without doubt the greatest writer Doctor Who ever had.
• 38:14
  And you know what? I'm not actually even the
• 38:17
  biggest fan of the Hinchcliffe Holmes era as it goes.
• 38:21
  But but I just you got to admire every every even his Duffers are
• 38:27
  full of character and and great dialogue, great world building.
• 38:33
  And this is I think is exceptional.
• 38:35
  I think it is probably his best per wee.
• 38:39
  I think he yeah, just delivers a light.
• 38:41
  We have so many quote but lines that we've just kind of, you
• 38:45
  know, we've kind of gone over today and there's a few we
• 38:47
  didn't talk about like, oh Blimey, what have we got here?
• 38:59
  Sorry, massive pause. Sorry I stopped talking for a
• 39:02
  second there. Don't you worry.
• 39:05
  On on that note, you can rely upon my profound silence for as
• 39:09
  long as you desire something like that.
• 39:11
  It's like a merciful and compassionate one has Peaches.
• 39:15
  You know, we talked all over that one.
• 39:17
  So yeah, just is this So we talked all the way through.
• 39:21
  The dialogue is so ripe. The performances are all
• 39:23
  brilliant, but they they sing because the dialogue is so good.
• 39:26
  The. Material was there, absolutely.
• 39:29
  I think it's his most ambitious script of all of his scripts,
• 39:32
  and I think I think it's probably his funniest as well.
• 39:35
  So am I saying it's all downhill from here for Robert Holmes?
• 39:38
  Maybe. Oh, you think?
• 39:41
  OK. I I, I think this is definitely
• 39:43
  a peak, yeah. If it's not, there are other
• 39:47
  peaks after this. But I mean, like the Time
• 39:50
  Warrior is very funny as well. You know, was a young girl.
• 39:54
  I thought he was too old for that sort of thing.
• 39:56
  Look at that great spider, you know, very, very funny.
• 40:01
  But this is sophisticated in a way that Doctor Who isn't
• 40:05
  orphan, I don't think. Yeah, Yeah, it is that marriage,
• 40:09
  the sophistication with, you know, with the with the panto
• 40:13
  visuals, but also that the fondness of the characters and
• 40:17
  the ripeness of that dialogue. Yeah, I.
• 40:19
  Let you into a little secret. I love a panto.
• 40:22
  I don't object at all. Oh no, me too.
• 40:25
  I enjoy a panto as well and we'll be going this year and.
• 40:29
  Oh, me too. We're doing Beauty and the
• 40:31
  Beast. Oh nice, I can't remember which
• 40:35
  one it is but it's damn Portsmouth way so.
• 40:39
  Talking of a panto, where are we going next?
• 40:44
  Well, if I say it was to say to you, oh look, rocks, that might
• 40:53
  point us to the planet Scar Row. And I think we talked about
• 40:57
  doing Destiny of the Daleks. You know, the bit where Romana
• 41:00
  regenerates into that enormous buxom babe and Tom Baker takes
• 41:04
  one look at her tits and goes no thank.
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  You. What is going on there?
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  Yeah. Now listen, this is an odd
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  choice, man. Lots of people want to talk
• 41:12
  about Destiny. That Daleks.
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  Not a popular story, but it is with the Hamster contributors.
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  I've well, I think it probably is for people of my kind of age
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  and there seems to be quite a lot of us.
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  I mentioned before my Instagram page, which I've been running
• 41:27
  for several years now, it's all Doctor Who's 60, seventies, 80s
• 41:30
  for anyone to give a look. It's.
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  Glorious. Wonderful.
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  So it's all kind of classic stuff and I just kind of, um,
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  put pictures together in different kind of themes and
• 41:41
  things, but Destiny is one of those ones that nearly a lot of
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  people like Follow Me will gravitate to because they saw it
• 41:49
  as a kid. So there seems to be quite a lot
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  of us of that age, that generation who caught the kind
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  of end of the Williams era that, you know, I think it really,
• 42:00
  really resonates with. You know, it may be not the best
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  story of that era, but actually for me in many ways is it's the
• 42:07
  peak because it's the nostalgia of it.
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  I think it's sorely underrated. Destiny, the Daleks.
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  I think the direction is pretty damn good.
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  A lot of the great location stuff, and certainly in part one
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  that all the atmosphere is. Tracking shots.
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  Yeah. Well, we will get there.
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  You know, we'll see those extras laughing as they fall to their
• 42:28
  deaths. We'll see Davros with the
• 42:31
  limpest hand. Coming.
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  Coming alive with cobwebs, all that.
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  Sure. Oh my God, How would I must
• 42:38
  enjoy that as a nipper? That was just amazing.
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  That's an image from my childhood right there.
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  Yeah. His headlight coming on suddenly
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  in the cliffhanger. My God.
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  Well, Paul, where can people find you?
• 42:51
  Know, you've just mentioned your Instagram account.
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  Maybe just say that one more time.
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  So it's really imaginatively titled Doctor Who, Sixties, 70s
• 42:59
  and 80s, because 13 years ago when I started it, I couldn't
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  think of anything else. I just stuck with it.
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  So you can find me there on Blue Sky, I'm Under my name, or
• 43:09
  Doctor Who Prop Hunt, which I think we talked about a little
• 43:12
  bit last time, where it's my blog, which kind of span out of
• 43:15
  the Instagram and it's about props of of classic Doctor Who
• 43:19
  and where they've been reused. It's a slippery slope.
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  You know, when you start looking at this stuff, or I asked, I
• 43:26
  took a look over your stuff and I'm going, Oh my God.
• 43:29
  Then I started looking up props in the Doctor Who's I was
• 43:31
  watching. Honest to God, it gets quite a
• 43:34
  bit addictive. Yeah, when you get an eye for it
• 43:37
  and you're looking, particularly if you're looking for something
• 43:40
  in particular. So that's the way that I tend to
• 43:43
  do it is like, oh, I'm looking for XYZ and and then you start
• 43:48
  to see it everywhere you go. So yeah, so there's that if you
• 43:53
  want to. And actually if you do look at
• 43:56
  anything, if you can look at that, then brilliant.
• 43:58
  I mentioned the the art. So there's another Instagram
• 44:01
  page, Paul's yeah, Doodles, I think it's called, used to be
• 44:04
  called Paul's DW Doodles, but there's some non Doctor Who
• 44:08
  stuff on there, so I took that bit out.
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  Can you? Send me a link to that please,
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  I'll have a go and have a look. At that as well.
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  Yeah. Yeah, by all means.
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  Yeah. So I don't have as many
• 44:17
  followers on that. But it's just, it's just my kind
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  of occasional scribbles. I don't post very often on it,
• 44:22
  but yeah, just when I get the time for that.
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  But I will be doing a Joe Ford Jurassic Wrangler.
• 44:29
  Oh, pleasure. That will literally be the
• 44:33
  highlight of my year. Could could we both be on it?
• 44:38
  Please? Come on.
• 44:39
  Yeah, there's. Plenty of always there for us to
• 44:41
  grab off and it does actually look like little wigs coming out
• 44:45
  the top as well. I see, I've always seen those as
• 44:48
  eyes but I mean. But you're right, doesn't really
• 44:51
  need. 6 Now's the time for us to.
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  Do the work. It's just delightful spending
• 44:59
  time with you and it shows a wonderful story for us to talk
• 45:02
  about today. Thank you very much.
• 45:04
  Thank you for I know you've put a lot of work into your
• 45:07
  research, so thank you for that. But just thank you for a lovely
• 45:10
  evening. I've loved the heck of a lot
• 45:12
  tonight. Cheers, Joe.
• 45:15
  Yeah, it's been fantastic. Thank you very much for having
• 45:17
  me back. I really do appreciate it.
• 45:18
  I think I said before I wanted to do a podcast for ages, but I
• 45:22
  had no, I didn't want to do my own essentially.
• 45:25
  I didn't think anybody would listen to it.
• 45:27
  But coming on such a premiere podcast, is this like top tier?
• 45:33
  I mean, come on, honestly. You're coming in at the bottom,
• 45:36
  mate. Oh.
• 45:39
  Dude, I just say you're coming in the bottom.
• 45:41
  Yeah. Well, listen to me, Dylan Reese,
• 45:43
  I heart Mark McManus. Snap him up, all right?
• 45:47
  Listen to how great he is. Yeah, absolutely.
• 45:50
  Yeah. By all means, anybody and
• 45:51
  everybody I'll happily turn up to to any anybody who would like
• 45:55
  me. What do you mean this in an
• 45:56
  entirely non sexual way but slide into his DMS?
• 46:01
  Or sexually if you like. But I'll cut it there.