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Bryan Andrews on Grifters in Country Music, Redefining "Alpha Male," and Why He Won't Quiet Down · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: I think you're our first white man really. A Hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Personal. I'm Joy Taylor. Thanks so much for
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  Speaker 1: joining me. I'm very excited about our next guest.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't hold back.
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  Speaker 1: He grew up in Carlton, Say, Carrollton.
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  Speaker 2: I knew I was going to suck that up Carrollton, Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: His dad was a band teacher, his mom talk choir,
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  Speaker 1: and he spent almost five years as a pipe welder
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  Speaker 1: before getting into music, and nearly four million people follow
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  Speaker 1: him on TikTok. His song The Older I Get topped
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  Speaker 1: three Billboard charts, and he has a new mixtape, Independence Day.
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  Speaker 2: Dropping right as a we just dropped it.
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  Speaker 1: He dropped yes as our lady turns two hundred and fifty.
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  Speaker 2: If you are celebrating, I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: And he's about to hit the road on his Taking
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  Speaker 1: My Flag Back tour, which is already selling out fast,
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  Speaker 1: so make sure you go to Brian Andrews music dot
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  Speaker 1: com or any of his socials to get your tickets.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Andrews, Welcome to Too Personal. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: I really appreciate the opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're a first white man really. What I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking on the way in I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: think you're not our first white person we've had. We've
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  Speaker 1: had I think two white women. We've had two white women. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we had tests and we had Kirby. I think that's it.
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  Speaker 1: But you are, you are our first white man.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I am very honored. You earned your way. We
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  Speaker 2: had to do some recent listen the brands Sniper right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if whoever was superb, but it's
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  Speaker 1: it's suffering.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's uh yeah, it's definitely thanking a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But we're doing We're doing what we can to bring
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  Speaker 3: it back up.
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  Speaker 2: You are doing what you can. Yeah. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it's a collective, but well hopefully it will be. Yes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I think you're you're preaching that.
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  Speaker 1: I became aware of your music and because of you
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  Speaker 1: on social media. Yeh, my algorithm is fucked. So that's
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  Speaker 1: a compliment though, that you've wandered into there. But you, like,
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  Speaker 1: I love watching your crash at video and you're very,
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  Speaker 1: very vocal in a space that obviously is I hate
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  Speaker 1: using the word conservative because it makes no sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: These people are not conservative people.
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  Speaker 1: But no, in a conservative space of country music, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when you first started in music, did you know that
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  Speaker 1: you would be this controversial?
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  Speaker 2: I knew that I was.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I was never shy about talking about controversial
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  Speaker 3: experiences that I had personally been through anyways, Like even
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  Speaker 3: when I first started and I wasn't really talking about
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  Speaker 3: politics yet or anything.
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  Speaker 2: But I didn't think. No, I didn't see a.
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  Speaker 3: World where, you know, I would be an activism artist
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  Speaker 3: or a protest artist or anything like that. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that to this day. I consider myself a
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  Speaker 3: protest artist. It's just that this music is resonating for
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  Speaker 3: me right now and for the audience that I'm building,
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  Speaker 3: So we're just going to keep rolling with it. Plus,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the old school outlaw country guys, they weren't
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  Speaker 3: considered protest artists, but a lot of their music was
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  Speaker 3: activist music, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's that's very I'm glad you
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  Speaker 2: brought that up.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I am always bitching about music, yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: I am a reluctant revolutionary myself.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm yelling at clouds half the time.
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  Speaker 1: And we actually talked on the on the show a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago about how, you know what my
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  Speaker 1: relationship has been recently with speaking up on things because
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  Speaker 1: it's not done me any favors. Yeah, not that I
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  Speaker 1: do it for favors, but yeah, sometimes I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm on an island and I'm like, hey, guys, I
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  Speaker 1: know you agree with me, but you're you're not saying
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  Speaker 1: anything publically. Yeah, yeah, and it's really benefiting you to
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  Speaker 1: not say anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think in of like setting, like you're in,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like in the sports world, and like you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're around celebrities a lot, and probably and that can
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  Speaker 3: be extremely lonely too, because I know there's people even
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  Speaker 3: in my industry that agree with me and that behind
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  Speaker 3: closed doors, you know, will chalk it up and you know,
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  Speaker 3: do all the thing, but publicly they're not really you know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm I'm glad you're bringing this up as well,
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  Speaker 1: because this is really the tea for all of you
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  Speaker 1: who unless most of the audience is going to agree
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  Speaker 1: with us, but hopefully this crosses over to some people
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  Speaker 1: that are will get irritated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The tea is, if you work in the entertainment industry,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're almost always extremely liberal. It's like these guys
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  Speaker 1: that are out here with this red pill bullshit and
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  Speaker 1: all this controversial bullshit they are.
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  Speaker 2: They've worked with so many.
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  Speaker 1: Diverse types of people and they have not said a
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  Speaker 1: fucking disrespectful word to them. They have makeup artists, they
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  Speaker 1: have stylists like they.
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  Speaker 2: Have they're they're working in different parts of the world.
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  Speaker 1: It's very difficult to remain a racist, homophobic, bigoted piece of.
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  Speaker 2: Shit because when you work in the entertainment industry, Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: they're exposed to perspective. And I think that's all it is.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Like when I think of people in my
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  Speaker 3: small town that really hate the things I say, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, if you would just meet some of the
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  Speaker 3: people that you hate so much, you wouldn't hate them, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: So I think, like, yeah, even the ultra conservative guys
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  Speaker 3: like like you said, in the manisphere or even in
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  Speaker 3: country music or whatever, like those people are not as
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  Speaker 3: conservative as you think they are. They just like to
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  Speaker 3: go on that soapbox, you know what I mean, And
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  Speaker 3: they know who their audience is. So I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to say it's a grift, but it's a grift.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say it. It's a fucking grift. They're they're working
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  Speaker 2: with all types of diverse people.
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  Speaker 1: They have them in their homes, they're a part of
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  Speaker 1: their social groups. Like you're not moving around the entertainment
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  Speaker 1: industry like, oh, I'm only working with girl boys.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Good luck finding a mixer my guy, Yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 2: because it doesn't fuck you're talking about. It's bullshit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And they know, like that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Like everybody always comes at me and they're like, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's just pandering to the lefts, like who
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  Speaker 3: the fuck. You know, they'll be like you sold out?
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  Speaker 3: Who the fuck am I selling out to? Like nobody
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  Speaker 3: will certainly not in country Yeah, fucking country radio.
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  Speaker 2: You think they're ever gonna fucking play my shit? Hell mah.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean it always makes me laugh when people
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  Speaker 3: say that shit because I'm like, there's nobody to sell
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  Speaker 3: out too. Even the people who think like me are
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  Speaker 3: don't want to say it out loud.
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  Speaker 2: There's very few.
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  Speaker 3: I mean there's a couple, you know, Brothers Osborne I think,
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  Speaker 3: are I spoken on some things, and Marion Morris, you know,
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  Speaker 3: she's still involved in the country space and she's very
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  Speaker 3: vocal about the things she talks about. So but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's not a whole lot of country
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  Speaker 3: artists out there, you know, and it's certainly none that
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  Speaker 3: are beating down my door to take me out on
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  Speaker 3: their fucking tours or anything like that, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean. So it's not like I'm out here just
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  Speaker 3: swarming in opportunities in the country music space because of
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  Speaker 3: the things I say.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the reason I'm so bitchy about music now is
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  Speaker 1: because I think that movies do a pretty good job,
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  Speaker 1: or have done a pretty good job, at least at late,
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  Speaker 1: with telling you know, original and important stories. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think visual artists are doing a good job. But art
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  Speaker 1: like is very important in these times, and music, to
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  Speaker 1: your point, is very watered down. Yeah, And it's an
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  Speaker 1: important time for artists like you to be platforms and
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  Speaker 1: to be supported because we need more protest artists. We
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  Speaker 1: need people that are willing to put their careers on
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  Speaker 1: the line and take a risk to tell the truth
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  Speaker 1: and to speak in formats that really you know, music
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  Speaker 1: is something that is ancestral and is very spiritual, and
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  Speaker 1: it is like a rhythm that we cannot resist as humans. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why it's carried to us through the course
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  Speaker 1: of time.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's, in my opinion, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think the most powerful art form when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: building resistance.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I totally agree.
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's all about the culture war, really,
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  Speaker 3: and I think the Conservative Party for at least, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like at least I think in like Biden's presidency, did
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  Speaker 3: a good job of making people who especially who felt
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  Speaker 3: like they were on the left side of politics, at
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  Speaker 3: least quiet, because you know, they're just like, oh, if
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  Speaker 3: you're a liberal, you're a sissy or whatever the fuck.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that for me, history will be told
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  Speaker 3: and it's going to be told through art, and I
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  Speaker 3: want to be a part of it. So and to
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  Speaker 3: your point, I think that music is one of the
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  Speaker 3: most powerful tools that we have in swaying not only
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  Speaker 3: public opinion, but like how we view other human beings,
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  Speaker 3: you know, And I think at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: nobody really wants to see people suffering. So I think
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  Speaker 3: if we can really bring empathy and you know, compassion
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  Speaker 3: and sympathy for other human beings and their experiences, then
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  Speaker 3: this world is going to be a better place than
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  Speaker 3: most people would get behind that.
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  Speaker 2: So, so how did you get this way?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, both my parents are liberal. I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to shy away from the fact that I was raised
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  Speaker 3: in a household where this kind of thinking was at
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  Speaker 3: the forefront and stuff. And we you know, my parents
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  Speaker 3: were pretty involved in not like, you know, out campaigning
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  Speaker 3: for people, but they were very vocal about the way
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  Speaker 3: they felt about certain and policy issues and things like
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  Speaker 3: that growing up and who they supported. So but I mean,
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  Speaker 3: my grandfather was the same way my grand both my
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  Speaker 3: grandparents are. My grandpa was a Union Democrat for thirty years,
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  Speaker 3: works for General Motors and drove Forkliffe and and you know,
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  Speaker 3: on my dad's side, his grandfather was a farmer and
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  Speaker 3: voted blue his whole life.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that for me growing up, it was
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  Speaker 3: much easier, like both my parents being involved in or
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  Speaker 3: being music teachers. I saw the kids, you know, in
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  Speaker 3: their programs and stuff, and was close with the high
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  Speaker 3: schoolers in their programs when I was young that were
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  Speaker 3: different than your average, you know, small town kid. So
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  Speaker 3: I think just being exposed to that from a young
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  Speaker 3: age made me a little bit more liberal. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: growing up, I was always the town Democrat, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and it was always funny, it was always a joke
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  Speaker 3: with all my conservative buddies and everything. And then as
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  Speaker 3: soon as Trump started doing all this bullshit and I
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  Speaker 3: started speaking out about it, and now all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: it's not a fucking joke, you know, right, So I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know, it's a.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of them things where like to me in
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  Speaker 3: this second term, especially, it became too loud that way
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  Speaker 3: for me to not be loud about it. So I
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  Speaker 3: just wrote one song about it, and it was the
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  Speaker 3: older I get, and I was getting ready to put
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  Speaker 3: it out, and I asked my dad. I was like, dude,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I should do this, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't think any anybody on my
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  Speaker 3: team really had that big of like pullback from it.
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  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day we decided to
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  Speaker 3: put it, put it out, and we were worried about
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  Speaker 3: it alienating people, But I was like, who are we
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  Speaker 3: going to alienate? Like people that already don't listen to
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  Speaker 3: my fucking music, you know, And at the same time, like,
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  Speaker 3: I want people to know exactly who the fuck I
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  Speaker 3: am before they put money in my pocket, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So if you're if you're gonna go
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  Speaker 3: out and buy my merch and buy take us to
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  Speaker 3: my shows and stuff. I want you to know exactly
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  Speaker 3: who I am in the way I think.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think the.
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  Speaker 1: Divide Like you're from a small very small town that
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  Speaker 1: I'm in mispronouncing what is it again, Carlton Carlton, a
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  Speaker 1: small town, and you know a lot of it obviously
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  Speaker 1: is experience, like you said, like the more you travel.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we're in Los Angeles, it's one of the
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  Speaker 1: most diversities in the world.
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  Speaker 2: The more you see, the more that you're exposed to,
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  Speaker 2: the more you're taught.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, that is part I believe of why we are
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  Speaker 1: educated as Americans not to travel, because it automatically opens
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  Speaker 1: your eyes to the way that other people live and
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  Speaker 1: that all of the things that we're told by our
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  Speaker 1: governments are not real. I mean, the propaganda is insane,
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  Speaker 1: Like like I signed my contract, my last Contra network contract,
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  Speaker 1: on my phone in the middle of the desert in
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  Speaker 1: Morocco where I was about to hop on the back
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  Speaker 1: of a camel Like the other places have Wi Fi.
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  Speaker 1: They got five D guy, it's fine, Like you're there's
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  Speaker 1: running water like these This propaganda is so insane that
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  Speaker 1: it's like fear mongering, but you come from a small town.
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  Speaker 1: Aside from the fear mongering, Like, what do you really
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  Speaker 1: think is the core?
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  Speaker 2: Is it financial? Is it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, it's financially and education, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like in rural areas.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I say there's a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of similarities between areas like where I'm from and inner
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  Speaker 3: cities and stuff like that, because they're historically underfunded and
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  Speaker 3: under educated because they're underfunded.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean where I'm from.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're either a farmer, you work a blue
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  Speaker 3: collar job, or you have one of the very very
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  Speaker 3: few you know, office jobs in town, which is not
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  Speaker 3: very many. You know, so people are still kids are
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  Speaker 3: still going to college and stuff. But I mean, you
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  Speaker 3: got a lot of the vast majority of kids that
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  Speaker 3: graduate high school that are going to enter the workforce
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  Speaker 3: at some you know, relatively soon after high school and
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that, because education is just you know, people
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  Speaker 3: aren't making Bukoo's amount of money. But that's the thing,
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  Speaker 3: like I'm out here saying the stuff I'm saying because
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  Speaker 3: I'm from a small town, not in spite of it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and I totally agree. I think some of
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  Speaker 3: my perspectives has been at least better than most people
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  Speaker 3: from a small town. But like a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: perspective I got towards like undocumented immigrants and things like
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  Speaker 3: that was because I worked construction on the road with
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  Speaker 3: a lot of undocumented immigrants.
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  Speaker 2: Who were hard workers.
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  Speaker 3: They show up to work, they do their job, and
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  Speaker 3: they go home and they just want to chase a
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  Speaker 3: better life for their family. Isn't that what the American
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  Speaker 3: dream is all about?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what you get the most pushback on is
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  Speaker 2: is undocumented. It's either that or.
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  Speaker 3: Like just the sole fact that I'm a leftist, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean, like from a small town. Like
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  Speaker 3: they'll call me a cosplay hillbilly or some shit, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, I don't give a fuck. You know,
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  Speaker 3: like my town is smaller in your town probably, so
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  Speaker 3: what you know, who gives a shit?
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  Speaker 2: But I think, yeah, the like, respectfully, why was you
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  Speaker 2: on a costplay? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Well, And I mean like the thing is like, that's
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  Speaker 3: how could you where you're from?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly? That's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, like when I first started going to
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  Speaker 3: Nashville and stuff, it's like and there's a great, great
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  Speaker 3: community in nash and I loved who I've found there
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  Speaker 3: and you know, the work we're doing and everything. But
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  Speaker 3: when I first started going to Nashville when I was younger,
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  Speaker 3: I always felt really out of place there because even
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  Speaker 3: though it was like this country city, you know, where
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  Speaker 3: everybody's going to make country music and everything, because it
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  Speaker 3: was like a competition to see who the most country was. Well,
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  Speaker 3: where I'm from, it wasn't cool to fucking be so
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  Speaker 3: country that you know, you're fucking having to work when
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  Speaker 3: you're ten years old and still can't afford fucking shoes, right,
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  Speaker 3: you know that your family can't afford to fucking do anything.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, it was just it's.
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  Speaker 3: Like, what the fuck do you all think we're out
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  Speaker 3: here fucking being in competition about.
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  Speaker 2: Like well, I call it the struggle competition, yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the victim complex.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in a lot of industries actually, And you
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  Speaker 1: know it's like, listen, I had a tough time as
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  Speaker 1: a kid too, Like you don't get any extra fucking
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  Speaker 1: stickers because you suffered. Yeah, And I'm not gonna discredit
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  Speaker 1: anyone's experience because they had two parents that loved them then,
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  Speaker 1: like it's there is no there's no reward for suffering,
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  Speaker 1: and and I think actually that's a it's a pinnacle
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  Speaker 1: point of what's happening right now is that people are
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  Speaker 1: suffering and they've got to have someone to blame. And
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  Speaker 1: so it's easier to blame someone that doesn't look like you,
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  Speaker 1: that you don't understand, that comes it comes from somewhere
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  Speaker 1: that's not theirs. Then to just look right to Washington,
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  Speaker 1: d C. Where it's been coming from the entire time,
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  Speaker 1: and put the blame where it's supposed to go. It's
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: why I'm very anti being fans of politicians. Like when
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: people ask me what my who, like, who's your favorite politician?
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: And like, I'm sorry, I don't have.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: A lame bone in my body, So I don't know
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: what that fucking question is.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Why would I be a fan of a politician.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: There's politicians whose policies I like more than others. But
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: a politician is a public servant.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: They work for you, like we pay them and choose
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: them to work for us.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: That's what the structure of our government is supposed to be.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: So being a fan of somebody is fucking crazy to me.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Now after they're out of office, after they've moved on
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: or before they were in office. Like, first of all,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like a fan of very few people on our anyway.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: But the idea that I'm going to cape up for
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: somebody that works for us is just insane.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: It's weird that you have a favorite politician like behavior.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: We can call it what it is. Yes, it's weird
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: that you have very lazy yeah.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: That works for you, Like yeah, I mean it's just yeah,
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: I totally agree, I think people and that's why you
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: see so much like of the cultish mindset between or
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: behind maga. You know, you you go to these I
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: mean now you're starting to see all these right wing
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: podcasters say it, but like they're like, oh yeah, it's
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: just crazy. Nobody can even like speak out against him
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: and it's just nuts. And I'm like, yeah, but you
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: you prop this dude up and then wonder why it's
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: cult like behavior when you go to these and see
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: these Trump rallies and shit like that. This dude, I mean,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: it is a cult.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: What's your redemption policy on those people? What do you mean?
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Like, well, listen, I'm the wrong. I'm like, fuck everybody,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I care, But I do think that we have to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: provide some space for people to change their mind.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I think the one of the biggest problems.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: With all of society MAGA the vaccine people there back
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: around because they've got they've got fauci out here. It's
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: because they'll do anything but really Epsteine files and so
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: you know they're back. And then like we've just got
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: all of these patches of people that are that are
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: just wrong. Yeah, and it's embarrassing, Like if my pop
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: my pop on being wrong as this, I'm very rarely wrong.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I enjoy being right about something like more than sex,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: but but I fucking hate being wrong about something like
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I hate it. I hate not having the proper research.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I hate being loud and.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Wronging embarrassing to me.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: So if I could get the real information, if I
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: could read a book, if I could ask a question
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: to a person I don't know anything about welding, Why
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: would I be yelling at you about I.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Don't even know what the fuck do you use a
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: fire thing like I don't know. Why would I be
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: yelling at you about this? I don't fucking know. I
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: want to learn.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I would rather get real information then apply that to
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: my brain and then process that than to just be
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: loud and wrong.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: So do we give how much space? Does everyone else?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Not me, because fuck everybody, But does everyone else give people?
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Because I think that's the problem with maggot.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: It's like it's so hard to un convert from a
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: cult because you have to accept how wrong you are.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, Like there's like some there's definitely
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: truth too. Like I don't think it's like black people
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: or immigrants or you know, women who are being you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: voted against right now on a very national level and
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: stuff like that when it comes to women's healthcare and things.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: But I don't think it's their place to hold space
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: for those people, right, I think it's people who look
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: like me mostly you know, straight white men or conservatives
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: and stuff, people that have lived in areas where this
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: kind of thing is very prevalent to be able to
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: create a space for those people to say to question things.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because I say that all
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: the time. Like, you know, I may make this music
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: and talk about the things I talk about, and the
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: left and people who you know, love what I'm saying
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: may agree with it and like these videos or like
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: the songs or whatever. But make no mistake, I'm not
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: talking to them. I'm talking to you, you know when
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: it comes to or the conservative to the choir, Yes, exactly.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: So I think for me, like, I'm still I still
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: drink beer with you know, all my buddies from my hometown.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I told you, you know, I still live in my
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: hometown and stuff. And it's been.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Much easier to have these since I've started speaking out publicly.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: It's been much easier to have these conversations with my
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: friends and like actually come to meaningful, you know, conclusions
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and be like, hey, you know, this shit is fucked up,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: you know, and we can both say that and be
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: able to move forward collectively because you know, obviously we
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: do have to vote again in a certain time period.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: So I think that's the most important thing for me,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: as like a straight white guy from a small town,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: is just being able to you know, hold that space.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And I also think that there's something to be said
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: about how, you know, people from suburbs and cities and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: stuff like that that have been in leftist groups or
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: liberal groups their whole life, and you know them talking
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: to them and they understand, they don't understand why conservatives
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: won't listen to them. It's like, maybe you're just not
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the right messenger, you know what I mean. You're a
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: great messenger for whatever else it is, but this one,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: it's up to people like me to be able to
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: hold that space for them and to be able to
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: talk directly to them and say, hey, this is fucked
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: you know, like look in the fucking mirror, because if
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: it comes from someone who looks like them and talks
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: like them, they might actually stop to fucking listen.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Like I I when Haley and I were talking about
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: it a couple of weeks ago, I'm like, yeah, I don't, like,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: am I really converting anybody?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, I don't think I'm the messenger.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I mean I can be in that room, yeah, and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: say what I have to say, but at the end
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: of the day, I'm obviously not having the same experience.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I'm not from a small town. I'm from Pittsburgh.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: That's not a small town, and we have our you know,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: our blue collar reputation, but there's also plenty of skyscrapers
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and tech companies and all kinds of stuff going on there.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: And then I live in Miami and Los Angeles and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I travel the world like I'm not a good vessel
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: for someone who lives in Carrollton.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, you got it, Carrollton and.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: You know is living a different life than I am. Now,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I can absolutely empathize with not having opportunities and having
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: desperately someone that's to need to point the finger at,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and then being vulnerable to the propaganda and to the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: messaging of people that look like you to say like, hey,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: it's it's not us, it's them. But the divide has
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: never been right well, but like it went post Civil Rights,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: it's about poor and rich the top down.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And it's like, if you give.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Someone someone to hate, they won't pay attention to what's
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: going on.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Bingo. I totally agree.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I think I say this all the time, but like
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I'm from a very Christian area and stuff, and you know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: grew up Christian myself and have since like kind of
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: left the church and everything, and I think, yeah, I
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: think that the It's crazy to me. I always say
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: the amount of imagine how much propaganda it took to
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: convince Christians that feeding the poor and healing the sick
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: and doing christ like things was woke.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, you would have thought that Jesus had a
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: mullet and a machine gun the way that.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they wrap him in the stars and stripes as
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: soon as he got out of the tomb, you know. Okay,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: So guys, I didn't bring up church. Okay, he did.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bryan wrought it up, not me, all right, So
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I cannot be accused of introducing this to the conversation
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: because I'm constantly being persecuted for my beliefs. I was
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: raised in the church also, and a Baptist, and I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: find Christians of all colors and flavors to be exhausting. Yes,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And I just I can't deal with the hypocrisy. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: can't deal with the remixed Bible. It's embarrassing. And the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: brand is so bad right now.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's awful, the way Christian nationalism is killing Christianity. Yeah,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I'll say it, till the cows come home?
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: And what gets me? So what does that mean, by
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the way, like till the end of time? No? No,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I know that, but like do cows, like did they
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: come back at the end of the night. I've been
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: saying that whole I was saying.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: It too, But I have no idea what I mean.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I know that it means like until forever, but like
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I just.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, where it came from. But yeah, no, I
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: think that like Christians, like especially Christians, that are like, well,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: you know, we just keep our head down. It's almost
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: like you see the videos of like us or we
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: had just bombed Iran, and then you see some creators
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: being like, well, everybody's talking about World War three or whatever,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: but I know Jesus is coming back, so it doesn't matter.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: It's like, do you think Jesus wants you to keep
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: your head in the fucking sand?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Fuck? No, And I was like, what does that even
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: mean exactly? Why are we so hype about World War three?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: We want to be in World War three? So bad? Yes,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: but that's what I'm saying, like the World War.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: We're awful, not a good time for anybody, not more
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: at home.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: No, But Christians will bury their head in the sand too,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: And that's what what drove me nuts about it. It
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: was Christians will bury their head in the sand to
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: any kind of world issue or even local or state
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: or federal issue, as long as it means they can
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: keep going to church and just tune the rest of
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: the world out. And what pisses me off about that
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: is that you know you can do that, and you
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: can stay in your little bubble and you can want
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: to be left alone all the way up until you
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: go to the ballot box and vote for people who
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: won't leave people the fuck alone.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's an accountability thing? Because my issue
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: as I get further and further away from Christianity is
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: that I've found it to be a safe.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Space for abusers. Yeah, a safe space.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: For people to run to when they have done any
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: type of wrong. Yeah, And it's it's kind of a
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: wash right. Well, it's like, well, this is my relationlationship,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and you know the way that I like to do
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: this is like this, and that's not really my problem.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And like the easy, the ease I guess of which
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: it is practiced, and it's all built on something that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: is in the afterlife. Yeah, Like, so you're willing to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: make hell here on earth and this reality for people
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: because you believe it's going to give you something in
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a in another world.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's insane and it's true. You want to say
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: it like that. It doesn't sound very practical, it really is.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: And like the whole the you have to be tricky
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: about it the way you talk about it right when
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: you're talking to Christians and you want to be able
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: to reach them in some way, because if.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: They believe that you're like.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: At all coming for them, Christians have such a victim
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: complex that if they if you even say anything remotely offensive,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: then they will tune you out and never listen to
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: another word you say.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, which to me is like cultish a little bit.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: It's a it's a very organized cult.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, they all are, really And I get you know,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I get slacked because I only come for Christianity, but
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I've never been Muslim. Yeah, so I don't. I don't
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: what am I I don't I think. I think I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: hate all organized religion's equally.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. I'm an equal opportunity hater.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to speak to the space that I
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: know most intimately and the people that I know most intimately,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and I and I do know some great Christians who
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: do not behave the way that we're talking, who live
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: by helping other people by empathy, no judgment. They do
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: feed the poor, they do live the life they're supposed
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to be living as Christians.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: But I know like three so.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Like the numbers are not skewing in favor of this
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: overwhelmingly being a good thing for society, and the idea
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that we are a Christian nation.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Is just like like that's not though, we're not. Yeah,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: we're not a Christian dall, we're not the entire here's
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: my thing. We were founding on the freedom from religion.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: How did like I don't understand how we got here.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: The whole like conservative thing was like the Constitution, yes, right,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and now we're at a point where like, well it's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: in the Constitution.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: They're like the Constitution.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: This was you, this was your whole bitch, this was
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the pitch, Like I could have.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Got on board with that utch and now you got
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: me over here like well what about.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: The Constitution And they're like, oh, it's it's it's it's
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: up for debate, Like it's literally not.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: It's the thing that we don't debate. They have settled it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: They fought a war. They really fucking.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Clear that if it's in that particular piece of parchment,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: we're not fucking around with it.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: We are not a Christian nation. We're not.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I it drives me so crazy when people say that
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: we're a Christian nation because like you even look to
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: the words un or God weren't added to the Pledge
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: of Allegiance until nineteen fifty four to combat against the
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Red Scare and communism because they thought communists were going.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: To take over the fucking Western world.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: So, which, by the way, is the same reason we
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: basically went to Vietnam, and so many people this was.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: A real solid choice. Yes, now my grandfather find Vietnam. Yeah.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: So, I mean the whole concept of oh, we're a
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Christian nation, blah blah blah, we're not. The Constitution not
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: only grant you freedom of religion, but at grant you
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: freedom from religion. And that's what drives me nuts about
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: like Christians is that when you say, like, Okay, I
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: don't care that you're Christian, but when it comes to
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: your faith or you know, if you had to vote
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: for your faith or to save your country, what would
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: you choose. The vast majority of them would choose their faith.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just great.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I mean they do like so many of the policies
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: are written specific to manipulate Christians because they tap into
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the idea that this is a law that aligns with
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: your religion. And then on the other hand, you're going
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to call yourself a patriot, yes, And on the other hand,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you're going to call yourself intellectual. It's like, no, you're
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: just a fucking dummy that is allowing people to manipulate
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I mean dummy, You're just a puppet actually, Like you're
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: allowing yourself to be manipulated through the thing that you
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that like resonates with you most in your identity.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: And like being a spiritual person. I think we're all
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: spiritual beings.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Like there's no separation from human being, even if you're
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: an atheist, Like.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: There's still a spiritual realm. Yes, Like and we are
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: we are.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: We are physical beings having a spiritual experience and or
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: vice versus spiritual beings having a physical Just that right,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: whatever you know the fun I'm saying I'm at Yeah,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: and so whatever it is that like brings you peace
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: or like connects you to that great Yeah, but that's
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: your fucking problem, Yeah, not mine.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: And if you're gonna.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Vote that way, I'm gonna actively vote the other way.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Like it's to the point now where like I think
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: religion should be bands, Like it's it's it's at that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: point because you guys.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Have lost control, You've lost the plant.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Like, if you can't function within your space and your
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: beliefs without impeding on other people's rights, it shouldn't be loud.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when you look at Jesus, you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: like you and all these people who bury their hand
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: in the sand to all these societal problems and policy
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: issues that we see in the United States today, and
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: they'll just bury their head in the sand and keep
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: going to church and they don't care because they have
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Jesus or whatever. Jesus didn't bury his head in the sand,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: like according to your own book, that dude went in
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: and started flipping tables. He spoke so much and was
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: so radicalized against the owned his own government that they
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: fucking killed him over it. So I like this whole
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: like licking the boots thing and the whole fucking just.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: And I mean, like a lot of these people, it's
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: just a pure apathetic apathy towards like policy and stuff
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: like that. Especially in small towns. It's like, dude, you're gonna,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I don't care, you're about politics, yourself into fucking fascism.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they are.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I don't where do you think, like the solve is though,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: because finding converts is really hard these days, and you know, like,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: this is an incredibly rare conversation that you and I
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: are having, and hopefully like it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: You know, pricks a couple.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I don't wanna say hearts brains really, but I don't,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't really cling to hope much these days.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you where I'm at. I'm waiting till the midterms.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I want to see how.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Sighways these go.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: That weird Hitler speech he gave the other night that
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: nobody heard, Like, let's see how shitty pants does like
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the midterms, and let's see how surf farts a lot
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: gets to gets to.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Act in oude. I can't imagine. I can't eat Matt.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: First of all, he like, let's be honest, him him
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: tapping Lindsey grams. Oh god, Coffin is the funniest ships.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: That ship is hilarious. Who the fuck does that? What
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, he's like a baseball coach.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: He's like the funniest guy trapped inside just a fat.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Piece of ship. Yes, with a dumpy butt, yeah, big
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: ass diaper butt. I can't imagine what he smells like.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Oh I can't either, smells like McDonald's and fucking but
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: like a manure.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like old makeup because I mean that dude, he
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: smells like airingbacks.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know who his makeup artist is, but I'm
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: pretty sure she's liberal.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: She hates him. Yeah, there's no she's like screech straight
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: consour line, like give this motherfucker a chin. Yeah, there
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: is no flavor. Fans of orange shah that she is
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: your color, sir. Yeah, oh man, he sucks.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm I'm I'm waiting for the midterms and
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: then and then I'll hit the panic button. But like
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you're you have you have the genie, right, Like, what
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: do you do to fix it all?
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's gonna definitely take voting.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I think, just like you, you know, I'm kind of
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: waiting for the midterms too, but just getting people actively
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: to the pulse because I think whether you're I mean,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: at least in my hometown, people that were really like
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, I go Trump maga shit in twenty twenty four,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: they ain't talking now, you know what I mean? And
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: there you gotta select few people that are like real deep,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: you know, conservative and whatever. It's part of their whole
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: fucking brand now, so yeah, it's identity. Yeah, so they're
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: never they're never gonna stop saying the Trump twenty twenty
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: eight bullshit, which is, by the way, fucking insane. But
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: most of like the conservative like I would say probably
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: most conservative farmers and stuff that are getting really hurt
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: by tariffs and trade wars and stuff like that that
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Trump was imposing. No, so they just either won't talk
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: about it or my hope is they just don't vote,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: And I don't think that.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of them, especially younger people like me,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: because you know, I think they felt some kind of
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: solidarity in the Christian nationalist movement or in the ultra
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: alpha male movement, and now they're also kind of starting
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: to realize it's all bullshit, yeah, and coming of age,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: you know, and their frontal lobe is developed and stuff
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: like that. So I think they're they're starting to kind
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: of be like, Okay, maybe this isn't cool. So maybe
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: they'll just be like, well, politics isn't cool enough for
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: me to even show up to the polls. But I
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: think people like me, you know who actually and young
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: people who are actually starting to think about these things
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: as they get older are going to show up, and
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: I really hope. So, you know, I think that, like
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I always say, the Democratic Socialist Party has a horrible brand.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: The worst socialism is like the detriment to it. But
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: social programs I think are beneficial to most people, and
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I would rather pay. You could look at me and
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, yeah, but dude, do you really want
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: to be paying fucking a bunch of taxes for you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: people to like homeless people to have healthcare?
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't give a fuck, dude.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I would much rather pay for that than bombs than genocide.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to blow it's that budget line over.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. So I think like just winning
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the culture war is what it is.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, branding is very I'm with you there.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: The brand branding is awful, and the liberal brands also
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: is is very awful. What I would say to people,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: because I also saw your video about like when you
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: were talking about like both sides are bad. Yeah, And
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: what I would say to the people who like are
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: afraid to to vote liberal to you know, to to
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: switch it up, is like.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Can't can't get worse? Right, like something new like switch
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: it up?
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: You know, Like how much worse can it get before
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you're like, I maybe won't smash my head against the
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: wall again. Like, I don't think that there is a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: universal solution to this. I'm not saying that democratic politicians
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: are not corrupt. The very definition of being a politician
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: means you politic. Yes, So like there is no perfect politician,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: there is no perfect policy, there is no perfect party.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: But there are things that are better than other things.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for the average American and for the below average American.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Like, if you're listening to someone who's talking about doing
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: things for your tax bracket, yes, for your tax bracket,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: consider what they're saying, because I think the biggest pitch,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: like the biggest manipulation that's happening right now also is
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: that you're all just one break away from being a billionaire.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: And on God, you're not God, on God in them,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: you're not.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: No, it is not so much you're nowhere near.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: You're not close to being a you're not close to
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: being a thousand ere let alone a millionaire, let alone
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a billionaire. Yes, you're nowhere near that. Those tax breaks
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: are not helping you.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: No, I always say that to you know, like small
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: rural areas like the one I'm from I know, I
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: can count on one hand the amount of people who
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: make enough money to be able to vote for Republicans
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: right now. You know what I'm saying, They just because
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: here's the fucking thing. People in places where I'm from
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: will vote for Republicans no matter what, right, And it
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: drives me up a wall because they're like, oh, well,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: shit needs to change. Shit needs to change, and they're
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: desperate for a new politics. And I'm like, okay, so
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: why do you keep voting for the same fucking people
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: every year? Like you're voting Missouri. The governor is Republican.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: It's been a majority of red state for like twenty
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: years now. I mean, we had a Democratic governor when
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I was a kid, but you know it's on the
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: local level, it's all ran by Republicans.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So yes, what I'm saying like, maybe you want something different,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: but to keep voting the Saints exactly, and then if
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: you vote different and things and give them enough time
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: and they don't do.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: It, then do whatever the fuck you want.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: But like, if you're going to continue to do the same
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: thing and expect different result, that is by definition insanity. Yes,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: So when someone's calling you insane, it's warranted because you're
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: doing something that is insane. You're doing the same thing
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and you think it's going to change and it's not.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, And by the way, that's not a knock on
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: my hometown.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not knocking them for having a like this
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: is what I'm saying. Republicans. They keep voting for these Republicans,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: and you got towns like mine. Corporations won't move into
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: towns like mine. There ain't no new jobs being made
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: in the towns like mine. Hell, if anything, the people
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: were voting for in towns like mine make it easier
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: for corporations to fucking move out and then steal more
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: of their fucking money. We just up in the state
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: of Missouri. They're trying to get rid of fucking property
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: tax right now. They just got rid of state income tax,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: or tried to so. But the reason they want to
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: get rid of state income tax is so that way
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: fucking corporations when they come in, don't have to pay
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: any fucking tax.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: So what do you think is going to happen.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: They're not going to lose that money, right, So they're
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: going to fucking jack up sales tax and guess who
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: pays the fucking sales tax, the average fucking consumer. It
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: ain't these fucking billionaires who are putting walmarts and shit everywhere.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: So that's the shit that drives me up a wall.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I do think it has to be.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: It has to be simplified, though, Like politics is very complicated,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: and it's very easy to trigger people with like trans
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: rights and undocumented workers.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: And they made people so scared of trans people and
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: immigrants that they were willing to vote for their own demise.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And it kills me.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's but it's smart by the by the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: politicians at the top, and by the by the the
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: one percenters, because that is a simple, easy thing that
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: looks different than me. I don't understand that. So that
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: has to be the reason why my life is the
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: way it is.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Culture.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the fact that these
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: people who look like me, who wouldn't piss on my
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: face if my eyebrows were on fire, are happily like
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: digging into my soul and stealing my identity and manipulating
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: me for their benefit. And like, you know, I don't
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: really have which is the character in Wichard of Oz
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have a heart.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Is that the line, it's the tin man. Yeah, yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I'm very tin many.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: But what tiny, little beating, little grinchard I have is
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: does feel for in some way those people, because like
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I recognize the privilege that I have.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I'm an educated woman. I've traveled the world.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I you know, so I was raised by people that
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: were diverse and believed in different places and different experiences.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I was forced to read as a child like I
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: under I understand it. That's not everyone's experience.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: And so the reason that they keep people uneducated is
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: because an uneducated population is easier to manipulate and control.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: We have more access to information than we ever had
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: in the history of the world, and the people at
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the lowest level of society have access to that information
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: just as easily as people who are at the top. Yes,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: so there's no excuse other than you just refuse to
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: acknowledge that you are being manipula willful ignorance.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think, like, yeah, that's the problem. Like they
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: keep underfunding schools and stuff like that because they know
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: if they make people not care about politics enough, they'll
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: be able to steal from them.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: And that's just the bare minimum.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: But like the people from my hometown that don't or
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: like from small towns that don't like what I say,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: or that hate me for it, even what I want
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: them to know. And what I say this all the
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: time is like you may not stop on the side
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: of the road to piss on me, but I still
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I say the things I say because of people like you.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I want you to be able to afford healthcare.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I don't want you to have to have a family
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: and go to work seventy eighty hours a week and
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: watch your kids grow up through a fucking cell phone
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: because there ain't no fucking jobs in town that.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Pay you enough to be able to be home.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like I don't want the single mom
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: to have to work two jobs and still have to
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: go to the food pantry, who has to somehow afford
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: daycare and now can't afford to put gas in her
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: car because we started a war and Iran.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: So the whole thing that gets.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Me so riled up about it is that people like
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: where I'm from see the things I say, and I
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: think that's where, like sometimes in social media it doesn't
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: come across like it comes across a little bit more
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: aggressive or whatever. And if it's like, oh, if you
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: don't agree with me, then I don't hold space for
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: you type of thing. But it's so not true, Like
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I want those people to understand that, Like I say
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: the things I say because I'm from an area like that,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: not in spite of it. Yeah, you know, I don't
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: like Do you think I like going home and seeing
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: farmers in my hometown have to sell off fucking equipment
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: or things like that because they can't afford to keep
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: their fucking land.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it. Fuck that shit sucks.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Like generations of family farms are being fucking sold right
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: now and filing for fucking bankruptcy because they China wants
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: buying soybeans from us anymore. So soybeans are in the ship,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: and that's all we got back home, corn and soybeans.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: And cattle, so cowles they come home. Yeah, for some reason. Yeah,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: if you.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Weren't doing protest songs the world was in a better,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: better place, what would you be singing about?
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Probably more about my personal experiences, you know, I think,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: And not not to say that these songs aren't my
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: personal experience. I mean I just wrote a song called
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: came out with a song called Yhaw Fuck the law.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: That's another thing. You know.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: It's like people where I'm from, they're always like, oh,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: back to blue until it's them and then they're like police.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially in country music. I'm like, you guys hate
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: the police. Yes, the police brand switch is like baby
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: face to the police, Like, you guys are outlaws, outlaw,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: outside of the law.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, how did we get here? The yeehaw
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: fuck the law thing?
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: I didn't get that from some fucking liberal echo chamber
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: that I'm in. I got that ship from my hometown
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: that don't tread on me shit, you know what i mean?
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Like that whole Yeah, take that boot right? Yeah, Yes,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: that's I mean, that's my that's my favorite favorite line
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: in that song is uh, you know tell me you
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: know I've seen you look the boot. So I just
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: got to ask, do you gotta get it soaking wet
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: before you shove.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: It up yours? Yes, it's got to be liberated.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: It's not a great experience, but it's not okay, so
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: what so fuck the law?
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: That's right?
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Any lot of songs, Yeah, absolutely, I think.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I still at some point I'm going
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: to release music like that, you know what I mean.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: It's not it's not all going to be just protest music.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: But I think right now it's just what I'm feeling,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: you know. We just, like a lot of the songs
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: we just wrote in Nash last week are about Christianity
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: and religion and stuff and kind of yeah, it's.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: It's fucking nuts.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: So but yeah, I'll even say, like we got one
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: song that we just wrote this week that I'm really
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: excited about called if Heaven's a Country Club, and then
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: like the tagline is if Heaven's a Country Club, I'll
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: see you and how well, So it's fucking sick. I mean,
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: but the country space used to be very anti government, yeah,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: because like you think about like Johnny Cash, he wrote
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: songs like the Man in Black, that whole fucker. I
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: don't know how we missed this, by the way, I
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: don't know where it went. I mean I think about
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: it sometimes and I think I know. But The Man
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: in Black is a whole song written about Johnny Cash
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: saying he wears the black for the working man who's
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: being stepped on by the government, or for the poor,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: for the family stuck on welfare that can't get out,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: for the guy who's locked up in prison because of
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: a fucking bullshit judge and a sentence, you know, so
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean the whole You hear interviews of
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: like Waylon Jennings saying that he wishes we had or
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: wish we had a woman president solely because the male
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: ego is too much, and then they're like, oh, you know,
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: these guys were alpha males, beer drinking, American flag wearing motherfuckers,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, nobody called him outlaws back then
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: because there was fucking chugging beers on stage. They called
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: him out laws because they stood up for people and
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: were against the man.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's it's a very interesting turn that
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: that country music has taken because you know, obviously we
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: know the origins of country music and blues and you know,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: black people.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, by the way, I would love to point that
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: out because that is a very interesting but a lot
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: of people don't know this. But country music is literally
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: literally just a derivative of blues music and Southern rock
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: and roll, that's all it is. And who founded that
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: African American people, Black people in the South, especially in
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: like the Mississippi Delta and shit like that Memphis area stuff.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, you think about even Elvis Presley,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: that's Southern rock and roll. He's the king of rock.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: He derived a lot of his music from black artists,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Yes he did.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I I not that that
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: isn't necessarily correlated with fuck the Law, but a lot
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: of it is.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: But I think the the origins of country music, like
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: and the like the stars of country music, you know,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Johnny Cash and those that kind of music was for
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: like the working man, yes, and and that like Bravado,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: that that alpha maleness is actually lost in a lot
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: of the the music now. I mean the idea of
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: an alpha male too is just like so we could
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: talk four hours about that, but like what's an alpha male?
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Like you guys are you guys are boot looking weirdo
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: groupies like shit, and but you do it because other
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: men tell you to do it exactly, Like I can't
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: think of anything, like if you want to talk about
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: a sissy, like you do things because other men tell
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: you to do them, like you're you're literally be you're
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: it's it's gidding. So like I don't know how to
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: tell you this, but like it's not alpha, Like alpha
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: man to me is just a man that stands solely
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: on his principles, not because another man has told him
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: what to do, not because a politician or the law
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: or a priest or preacher. Like he has lived his
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: life in a way that he has gathered his own opinions,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: his own thoughts, his own experiences, and formed.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: His own identity.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: And that to me is somebody who is alfha is
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: someone who can stand on their own, who doesn't need
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: a group of people to tell him that he's right,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: who doesn't need validation from other men or from another group.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Like if I stand on this on my own, I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: stand on on my own.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: But this is what I believe in. And like, you
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: guys are zombies.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's literally the weirdest fucking thing. Like that's my
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: whole thing behind like the the Christian nationalist movement of
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: men that say like they need their wife to submit
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: to them, And I'm like, dude, you have to have
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: control of over another person to feel like you're a man.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: That's wild.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: But you know why they're that way because they know
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: they submit to another man, whoever they're God is yeah
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: or Donald Trump?
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, No, the submission thing is very weird. Women
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: women are not naturally submissive or we would have noted already.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: And I think that, like, there's nothing wrong with like,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: you know, women who want to be in relationships where
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: they are a caregiver or whatever, or a homemaker, whatever
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: it is that they want to do. But the problem
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: the thing with like feminists is they hate feminists because
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: they're like, oh, women should be independent. All this women
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: feminists are just saying that women should be able to
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: do whatever they want. You're the only ones telling people
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: that women shouldn't want to go out and be uh,
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: you know driven.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Well, the feminist man is also jimmy that Jamille said
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: that if if women were were naturally submissive, we would
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: have submitted already. The entire world is designed to make
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: women submit. It's feminism has a bad brand because it's
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: now associated with like purple hair man hating.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: And to be clear, I hate men.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: But I hate the I hate the the like the
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: structure of men in society, not actual men. The patriarchy, yes,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: because it hurts everyone, and it's like including men. It's well, actually,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I would argue that it primarily hurts men if you
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: really get down to it, because the patriarchy creates an
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: army of zombie groupie boot liquors that cannot break free
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: of any of the structures that are designed for them.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: And the only way that they that these men can
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: assert any power is to then hurt women and children,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: and then the cycle continues. And it's it's insane to
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: me because we've actually only been a patriarchal society for
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: a very short amount of time in human history.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: And it really started with.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: The the uh, not the industrial revolution, the one before
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: that when they started farming.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, like a agricultural agricultural revolution. There we go. See,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: we're kind of smart.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: It started with agricultural revolution because then when you started
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to be able to harvest and keep food, then you
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: had the men out there doing that and the women
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and then it just like smiled from there, and then
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: the church backed it and then now here we are
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: all like the way.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like so crazy, some kind of control that's insane.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, do you feel like, do you find spaces
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: to find.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Like peace and happiness?
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Because I do not that I struggle with it, like
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I can top out, but it feels for me like
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I'm giving up when I do.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you used to struggle with that a lot.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Like when I first started this, I used to think
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: if I wasn't doing it twenty four to seven or
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: talking about these things or thinking about them at least
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: twenty four to seven, then I was like not as
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: dedicated to it as I wanted to be. But I
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: quickly found out that you have to have some kind
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: of a balance or you will burn yourself out. So
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: and also, like you know, just for me as a creative,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: like making the music and everything, I have to have
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: some kind of balance so that way I can keep
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: making the best music I can make because eventually, you know,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: if you're just going down a certain path, you're just
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: gonna get you know, its weird.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so my algorithm has gotten weird.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I'm in the lizard people space right now, and I'm like,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I had.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: To catch myself. The other day I was watching this video.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, huh. I was like, well, yeah, like
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know if.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I'm ready for like the lizard people space of the Internet. Yeah,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: like you guys might be said, but like I don't
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: have I need to just get a.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Glass of wine and relax a little bit. So yeah,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: it gets.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Dark, I think, Yeah, But I mean just like a
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: lot of the people that I've started working with a
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: lot now are very like minded people, and so it's
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: really nice to be able to find like spaces like that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I've started dating and a new girl for like the
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: last four months, and it's been great, you know, And
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: We've found a lot of time to be able to
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: enjoy that part, you know, and I'm having a ton
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: of fun being a boyfriend.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: So it's it's fucking that's so sweet. Do you want
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: to give her a shout out a republic? Uh, we haven't.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: No pressure. I don't do I don't do public relationships.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: I've just been saying I have a girlfriend. It's just
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: the politics thing of it all. Like I don't want
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: people to be her.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I don't do public relation. Yeah, I was gonna give
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: me the opportunity, but there's no pressure.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: No. But she's great, I mean, like that's that's the
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: whole thing. Honestly. Dating her has made me realize, like
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: if you pour into the women in your life, they
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: will pour into you. So I think, I don't know,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: and I like other men will give me ship all
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: the time. But like about being a samp and stuff,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck, Like in a world full
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: of men who treat women like shit and like are
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: too proud to admit that they like somebody or that
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: they want to do things for a woman or things
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Fuck all that, I don't care. I want to do
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: it all for the women.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Let me let me give you some tea, gents, simskit pussy.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how that works. You can't see specs right now,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: but he's shaking his head.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Also all right, a lot of it drowning in it. Actually, yeah,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I think we should.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Like I said, you just pour into the women in
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: your life and they'll pour back into you. And like,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: maybe that's selfish in a way, but it's not selfish relationships.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I get all that shit for this, But relationships are transactional. Yeah, Like,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: if you are pouring into someone and they're not pouring
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: into you, that's not a healthy relationship, right, And it's
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: not that you pour into them just so that they
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: pour into you. Yeah, but you should want to build
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: up the people around you in all relationships, working relationships,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: personal relationships, family, like your relationship with whatever spiritual antity
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you have. Like it's it's a transaction. There's a better
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: word than transaction. But like it's reciprocal, yes, and that's important.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's no different I say this all the time,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: but it's no different than life itself.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: I believe the true key to happiness is what you
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: give to the world, not what you take from it.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: And so I don't know, I just I truly believe
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: that you will get from this world what you give
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: to it. So I think the same is true with
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: women and even the male relationships I have, you know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Like I think trying to be a better friend is
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: something that I'm really trying to be better at, you know,
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: and be there for like my male friends who you know,
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: have grown up in the same places where I'm from
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: and may feel like that they can't talk about their
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: emotions or feelings, you know, to other people and stuff.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: And just creating a space where anybody can come to
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: you for anything, you know. I think we should all
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: be able to talk to each other like that openly,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: and especially what the people were close to in life.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but no, she's she's been great. She's helped
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: me kind of see that aspect of it and and everything,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: and I'm, like I said, I'm just having a ton
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: of fun with it.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Your friends really call you, guys really call each other simps.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all the time for like doing stuff for girls.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's like not as like it's sometimes
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: you know, in a joking manner or things like that,
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: but I think, yeah, for me, it's just like and
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I think it's also just a male ego to house.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, not yet no.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, she seems great, but like I'd like
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: to buy my mother a house.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: This is still yeah, but no, I.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I what what happened that they were like that's.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're just like you know, no, I can't, I
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: can't talk about that. It's personal, Okay, it's someone else,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: it's not him.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: No, it's just like like little things here and there,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: you know, like I'll go out of my way a
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: lot to make sure that you know, she's got everything
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: she needs.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: And you're her boyfriend.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to write and you know what, do they
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: want another man to do that?
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: No? No, no, That's what I'm saying.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I think that, like, man, I don't understand the simple
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: idea though, Like where does it come from?
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you, I'll tell you exactly where. It's ourselves,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: like we don't want to look vulnerable. Yes, we don't
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: want to look vulnerable to other men, which is crazy,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: but it's something that we've had ingrained in us from
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: a very young age.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is why I like talking yeah to men
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: sometimes yeah, sometimes yeah, because uh again, the first the
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: first white man, so we're getting like lots of great insight.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Actually, but I really do.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Not understand the same thing. So that's where it comes from.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: It's impressing other men, Yes, for sure.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Why do you care so much about other men? I
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: don't get it.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like, honestly, if you are, if you are
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: a sensitive man who like thinks women are human beings
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: and like can listen and speak in full sentences, you
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: clean the funk up right now.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: It is the bar is in hell. It really is
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: very low. I said this, I said this the other day.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: But like, uh, sometimes I think my girlfriend will she
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: I think she thinks, like sometimes I think, you know,
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: she's being a little too over ish, you know, and
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: like she'll be like, oh, why are you why are
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: you being so nice to me? And I'm like, well,
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: like your your or my being nice to you is
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: not a reward for your good behavior, Like that's the
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: bare minimum, you know what I mean.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: But you have to be gentle because we've we've been
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: through a lot exactly Like there was a time when
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I truly did not understand like a like a nice man,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and then I had you know, that was obviously a
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: lot of healing from a lot of terrible men and
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: just being raised around a lot of chaos and toxicity.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Now you have zero times, not one time. You have
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: zero times to be weird with me or like being mean,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Like I don't even understand that, Like my brain can't
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: even comment.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: What the fuck are you talking about? What are you
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: mad about?
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Are your bills paid? Are you healthy? Are we all
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: like loyal? Here? There's nothing to talk about, there's nothing
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: to argue about, Like please be serious, like the world's
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: flying apart.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: They supposed to be happy to work together and.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Enjoy life, like but the that is like a healing
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: thing though, yeah, for sure I think that, Like yeah,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: but just like the whole male like simping thing is
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: literally just.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Like our own male ego.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Right, we don't want because we've been told, especially in
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: towns like or places like where I'm from. You know,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: you've been told your whole life, Well, don't show your emotion.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Don't show you know, don't cry in front of people,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: don't you know, be sensitive, don't like act like things
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: get to you or hurt you or whatever. And it's
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: really toxic because people will hold it in. And so
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: that's where it comes from. Like the whole, the whole
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: sim thing is like okay, well it's I've associated all
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: this behavior with being feminine or gay in some way,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: and society looks at those things as being bad. So
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: you have to unlearn that, you know, in a in
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: a especially in a male setting, you know, because we
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: don't want to like look too soft or whatever to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: our other male friends and stuff, which is weird.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: You know, it is weird. It's a weird thing.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Guys are weird, weird because it's because well, women have
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: the space in society to be emotional. But I do
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: think there's like there's like a balance. It's really just
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: being a human being and having access to your emotions.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Because yes, you can weaponize being nice as well. Like
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: there is the guy who's like, wow, I would it's nice,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Like why aren't you fucking me?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, okay, fucking psychopath.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: But like there there is like a just being a
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: well rounded human being who has access to your emotions,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: who knows what and who you are, which goes back
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: to like being truly being an alpha male is knowing
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: who you are. Like, Okay, you may think I'm being
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: a simp, but I have a girlfriend who likes me.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: You don't.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: And it's also super fun like when you do things
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: for them and they pour back into you, you know,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: and like the whole thing.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying, Like.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: It's very like, it's very I've tried to really focus
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: on being able to kind of unlearn that and just
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: do things that, you know, make me feel better and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: make the people around me feel better and stuff. So
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: but but yeah, I think it's it's not as prevalent
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: in like a lot of circles the whole like male
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: eo thing as people think, but it is there is
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: some level of that there.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's I'm learning.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I think for everybody, you know, the patriarchy does a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: lot of damage to everyone.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: And yeah, for sure, I actually don't think it's really.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Limited to the small town mentality like I think it's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of ingrained societal pressures. Yeah, and and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: you know, men are programs, and they're programmed by their
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: mothers as well. It's not just on fathers of the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: men around that are doing it because it's like a
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: way of protecting, Like life is hard.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, why do you think men are killing themselves
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: all the time? Like I speak about that a lot,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: and I think I even started speaking about it before
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: I totally understood it. But like men suffer from I
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: mean everybody does, but men's. Men's suffer from a lot
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: of mental health issues and they kill themselves because they
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: feel like they don't have anyone to talk to.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I like.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: The way I've changed looking at it is just trying
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: to create a space where, at least in my personal life,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: you know, and hopefully online too, where men like dude,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: just feel your emotions, you know, like it's okay to
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: be a sensitive guy. I've been told I'm sensitive my
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: whole life and I'm doing just fine.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: You're you are in it, and you know it doesn't
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: mean that you have to be this you know, uncut,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: nerve that everything bothers you and everything upsets you.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: But like, yeah, there are a range of emotions.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: I say, this is a complete hypocrite because I've access
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: to like three emotions.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: But I'm working on it.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's okay to be upset, it's
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: okay to feel sad, it's okay to feel disappointed, and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: it's okay to have been vulnerable and been betrayed.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Like it.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: These are things that all people are, everyone is experiencing,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: and if you suppress them, it will it will.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Lead to that and you will take it out on
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: other people.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: You'll take it out on other people and eventually you're
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: only hurting yourself exactly, like and these are all cliches,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: but it really is true. And I think for men,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: this is a this is a time where like all
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: the information is there, everything that you're saying, people know,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: like we have the statistics. You add in things like
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: you know, former military and things like that, and it
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: gets it's just incrementally worse. And I don't think that's
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  Speaker 1: the right word, but you know what I'm saying, worse,
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  Speaker 1: And it's like it's it has to be a conversation
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  Speaker 1: at some point, Like there are men in my life
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  Speaker 1: who I know have like weekly or bi weekly just
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: like guys night, and it's not going out partying it's
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: like go to someone's house, sit out by the fucking
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: campfire or whatever, smoke some cigars and like talk and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: if somebody's yeah, somebody's going through a divorce, like share it.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Somebody's going through some financial issues, share it.
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  Speaker 1: And financial issues too is like that is a huge
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: stressor that if you do not talk about it or
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: handle it or ask for help, or you never know
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: what ask me for help can do.
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  Speaker 2: Too.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like, hey, man, can I hold five dollars,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, I really struggling to make ends meet.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: You know, Emily's pregnant. We don't know how we're going
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: to do this. Like okay, hey, we have all these
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: extra baby clothes and shit, we're not having any more kids.
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  Speaker 2: Like take it all. Like yeah, it's community, thank you.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Go yeah, and that's what I love. Have a podcast
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: in the future. Maybe you're a good writer. Community. You
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: stop me rambling trying to get to the end of
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: it and come out for own.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, it's just it reminded me the way
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: you were talking about it just reminded me so much
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: of my hometown, you know, because like and that's the thing,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: like people think I hate my hometown, I don't. I
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: love it and I love the people there that I'm
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: really close with and everything, because we do show up
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: for each other when we need it, you know. And
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: I think that, like without knowing it, you know, we've
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: been that way our whole lives and something. We've been
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: other ways, you know, in not so good ways, but
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: but in that aspect, like the community aspect of it,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: we've done a really good.
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  Speaker 2: Job of that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why I still live there, and you know,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: I don't, like I want to always keep ties to
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: my hometown because I love it and I love the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: people there, and I want to see them be successful
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: and I want to I don't want them to have
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: to go to work when it's dark outside and come
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: home when it's dark outside, and you know, for eighteen
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: bucks an hour. Like I think they should get paid
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: more for the hard labor they do and be able
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: to actually enjoy their kids and go to t ball
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: games and and shit like that.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I think the.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Vast majority of it all really comes down to just
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: being an empathetic person and having space for people no
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: matter what experience they're having, you know, and just recognizing
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: that even if you don't understand it, they're another human
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: being that is having an experience and you should be
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: at the bare min I'm and be able to recognize
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: that and hold space for that person.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Empathy is the biggest part of it all.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: There's a James Baldwin quote which I'm gonna butcher, but
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: it's basically that, you know, because I love America so much,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I reserve the right to criticize her. Yes. And I
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: think that's a quote that really applies very well to
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: you and your music and where you are right now,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: because so often I hear that like, oh well, if
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: you don't like it, just leave.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Like I might.
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  Speaker 1: But it's I don't criticize things I don't give a
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: fuck about. Yeah, Like if I don't listen to a
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: certain song, if I don't listen to songn't listen, I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: don't have an opinion, it doesn't matter to me. But
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: this is my home, this is my country. My family
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: serves for this country. I was born and raised here.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I've paid an enormous amount of taxes here, Like this
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  Speaker 1: is where I live, and I reserve the right to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: criticize her, yes, And that means that I care if
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I'm being critical.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: I want it to be better.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: I think if you can see what's happening in this
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: country and it doesn't make you want to say anything
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: or at least think twice about it, then you don't
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: love this country enough. And so when people tell me
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: that if you don't like it here, leave or just
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: shut up and saying bullshit, I'm like, dude, fuck you,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: like shut up and dribble. Yeah, exactly, it's the same thing.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's mind boggling to me because I speak
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: out against this stuff because I love my country and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: I'm believe in an idea of an America that's free
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: for everybody in it. And I think we could truly
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: get there one day. But it's going to take a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: lot of work, and I'm willing to put in that
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: work if everybody else is. But I think we all
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: got to collectively stop doing this like, oh, well it
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter anyway, bullshit, because it very much matters. Yeah,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: it very much does.
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  Speaker 2: And if you are maga, you're already there.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Because make America great a grant again is a critical statement.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Now you might not know what that means, but if
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: it said America is already great then you're there. Yeah,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't say that, it says make America great again.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: That is a sentence that implies it's not great right
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: now now. Your idea of making a great event is
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: not what we want. But you're on board. But the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: being critical part like that is the movement. So yeah,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: well this was great. Thank you so much. Thanks for
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: having for coming and hanging out with us. We didn't
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: get to talk about pipe welding, but that's sorry. Maybe
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: next time. Yeah, you're in La. Absolutely, I really appreciate it.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: And your last tour donated proceeds to human rights first
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: this new tour, did you announce the charity partner?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: No, we haven't yet.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's awesome that you do that. The advocacy is
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: a part of your work as well. If you want
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: to check out Brian Andrews, make sure that you follow
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: him on social at Brian Andrews Music and you can
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: get tickets to the tour at Brian andrewsmusic dot com
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: and the links are on all of his.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Pages as well, and he's a great follow Ye. How
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: I got here? Yeah, absolutely, well, I appreciate it. Thanks
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: for having me. Thank you for coming in,