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Wander the World: Kampi takes caravanning to the next level · Wander the World with Pippa Hudson

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Speaker 1: You're with cave talk listless papaton on lunch.
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Speaker 2: It is time to wander the world, and today we
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Speaker 2: want to explore the world of caravanning. It can be
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Speaker 2: a very affordable way to travel the country without having
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Speaker 2: to spend a fortune on rented holiday accommodation, because you
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Speaker 2: take your room with you wherever you go. But of
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Speaker 2: course the caravan itself requires significant upfront investment, and it's
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Speaker 2: an asset that, let's face it might only be used
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Speaker 2: a few weeks every year, gathering dust and a garage
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Speaker 2: the rest of the time. So is it always a
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Speaker 2: sensible investment. Well, some of you will say absolutely yes.
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Speaker 2: It was the best way of exploring and going on
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Speaker 2: childhood holidays. I have fond memories. I loved it, and
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Speaker 2: I couldn't wait to get my own. I'd love to
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Speaker 2: hear from you if you fall into that camp. I'd
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Speaker 2: equally like to hear from you if you go. You
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Speaker 2: know what, we spent such a lot of money buying
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Speaker 2: a caravan and then hardly ever used it. At the
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Speaker 2: end of the day, it wasn't our best financial decision.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps you'd also like to talk about the negative memories
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Speaker 2: you have the difficulty holidays, the holidays where it rained
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Speaker 2: all the time and you were squeezed inside the caravan
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Speaker 2: trying to pass the hours. I'd love to hear from
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Speaker 2: those of you who have explored South Africa by caravan.
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Speaker 2: It's something I have never ever done myself, so I
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Speaker 2: really don't have any lived experience to share, and I'm
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Speaker 2: hoping to draw on yours while we talk about what
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Speaker 2: I think is a very smart solution that wants to
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Speaker 2: make this kind of travel more accessible.
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Speaker 3: To more people.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about a platform called campy and it's spelled Kampi,
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Speaker 2: and it's kind of like an AIRB and B for
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Speaker 2: caravans and camping equipment as well. The idea is that
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Speaker 2: those who already own the caravan or the very high
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Speaker 2: tech camping gear and the camping trailers with their rooftop tents, etc.
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Speaker 2: And maybe aren't using them as often as they want to,
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Speaker 2: are able to make some money about ranting them out
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Speaker 2: to others to take their borrowed or rendered caravan and
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Speaker 2: go exploring in and to tell us a little bit
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Speaker 2: more about the platform, what it offers, how it works,
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Speaker 2: and what made them started in the first place. It's
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Speaker 2: a pleasure to have one of the founders of campi
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Speaker 2: JP fooch to joining us via zoom this afternoon.
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Speaker 3: JP, welcome to Cape Talk.
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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Papa.
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Speaker 3: Were you I'm very well, thanks to yourself.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having us.
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Speaker 3: It's a huge pleasure. JP.
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Speaker 2: Were you a caravaner yourself? Was it part of your
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Speaker 2: childhood holiday memories?
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, there was always we grew up in a
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Speaker 4: camping family. But it's actually the whole ideas spark from
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Speaker 4: me buying my dream caravan and parking it in the
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Speaker 4: garage for three years. I'm only using once or twice
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Speaker 4: shure in that two three years. So then I decided
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Speaker 4: if I sell it now, I'm going to lose money.
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Speaker 4: So there must be another way to make money from it.
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Speaker 2: And that was the concept. So it started literally with
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Speaker 2: your own caravan and JP, at first, what did you do?
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Speaker 2: I mean, did you just say, hey, I've got a
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Speaker 2: caravan available if anybody wants to rent it, or did
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Speaker 2: you realize straight away I'm going to need to build
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Speaker 2: a whole sort of platform to support this.
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Speaker 4: No, I come from a software engineering background. That was
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Speaker 4: a conscious decision to see if I can build a
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Speaker 4: large scale platform to facilitate this or help people to
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Speaker 4: go out camping across South Africa, and not just people
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Speaker 4: that own caravans, but someone that only wants to camp
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Speaker 4: once or.
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Speaker 1: Twice a year.
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Speaker 4: So I like the way you described it, the ABNB
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Speaker 4: off caravans.
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Speaker 2: I mean very synchronous, that you draw on your own
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Speaker 2: professional skills as well to come up with a solution
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Speaker 2: that you needed, and I mean looking at how many
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Speaker 2: listings you've got, clearly there was a need for this
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Speaker 2: because before you blinked, camping was not just your caravan.
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Speaker 2: It was caravans all over South Africa. It was trailers
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Speaker 2: of every shape and size and description. And as you mentioned,
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Speaker 2: it's camping equipment, the fancy tents, all of the bells
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Speaker 2: and whistles that if you're serious campers, you're going to
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Speaker 2: go camping every second or third weekend, and sure you're
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Speaker 2: going to invest in for yourself, but as you say,
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Speaker 2: if you're only doing it once or twice a year,
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Speaker 2: it can be a very expensive hobby. JP tell us
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Speaker 2: a little bit more about the kinds of things that
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Speaker 2: are available on the camping site.
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Speaker 1: So there's actually quite a wide variety.
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Speaker 4: So we started off with just my like I said,
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Speaker 4: my offer trailer Mike Pride and Joy that I never used.
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Speaker 4: We started to call around and look at people selling
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Speaker 4: their caravans, trying to convince them to first try to
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Speaker 4: rent it out. So there's offered caravans, offer a trailers
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Speaker 4: or nice luxurious road caravans. We've even recently moved into
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Speaker 4: the inflatable tents, renting out those inflatable tents. There's owners
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Speaker 4: with those rooftop tents and with some of the more
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Speaker 4: popular options.
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Speaker 1: Is the obby after motimes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, So I mean a huge of ways
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Speaker 2: to get out there and stay very close to nature.
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Speaker 2: Because that's the one thing we haven't really spoken about
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Speaker 2: JP is why would someone choose to holiday by caravan
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Speaker 2: or with a camping trailer rather than staying in a
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Speaker 2: house and wear an apartment or a hotel. I mean,
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Speaker 2: for some people, it's going to be an absolute no brainer.
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Speaker 2: They like the experience of feeling that they're properly ut
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Speaker 2: in nature, feeling close to the earth and under the trees.
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Speaker 2: But do you want to expand a little bit more
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Speaker 2: about what it is that makes this kind of holiday
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Speaker 2: so appealing to you and to the others who are
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Speaker 2: using your site.
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Speaker 1: So, first of the idea.
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Speaker 4: I came to just realize realization in a while ago
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Speaker 4: is no one lies in bed and dreams of a caravan.
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Speaker 4: It is the idea of freedom. It's the idea of
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Speaker 4: the outdoors. It is the kids of their screens, it's
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Speaker 4: the nature ikes, it's all of those.
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Speaker 1: It's just the freedom.
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Speaker 4: My brother, he always describes can be people that loves
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Speaker 4: camping and people that loves going into chalais and atels,
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Speaker 4: or typically two different people, or it could be the
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Speaker 4: same kind of person that you're doing it for different reasons.
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Speaker 4: Because if you go in stan Schalao Hotel, it's it's
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Speaker 4: time to relax. Camping is more a relaxation of your
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Speaker 4: mind because you know stuff is going to go wrong,
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Speaker 4: You're going to struggle to get the tent peg and
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Speaker 4: you are going to go, and that is keeping your
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Speaker 4: mind busy with breaking through from the off verse and
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Speaker 4: your day to day routine. So it's I think it's healthy.
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Speaker 2: I do too, and so does our listener, Heidi, who
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Speaker 2: was sent through a voice note on seven two five
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Speaker 2: six seven one five six seven, sharing some of her
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Speaker 2: holiday experiences. Let's take a listen to that.
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Speaker 5: Our parents taking us on caravaning holidays growing up was
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Speaker 5: the best experiences we could have I think ever had
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Speaker 5: for our childhood.
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Speaker 3: That says it all.
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Speaker 2: Heidi, thanks for that, and I'm so glad you had
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Speaker 2: those wonderful experiences. I'd love to hear from others, particularly
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Speaker 2: you know, where did you go, what was it like?
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Speaker 2: What were the things you enjoyed most? Was it all
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Speaker 2: about the places that took you to? Is there something
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Speaker 2: about spending time together in quite enclosed quarters that adds
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Speaker 2: to the value of the holiday. I've just come back
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Speaker 2: from that kind of holiday on water where the whole
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Speaker 2: family were together in a fairly small space, and it's wonderful.
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Speaker 2: As Jp said, it comes with its own set of
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Speaker 2: challenges and you know things will go wrong, but that's
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Speaker 2: half the joy is finding ways to problem solve and
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Speaker 2: get through those moments. For anybody who's coming in midway
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Speaker 2: to this conversation, our guest on the line via zoom
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Speaker 2: this afternoon. JP Foch is the founder of a platform
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Speaker 2: called Campi spelt Kampi and you'll find them on campi.
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Speaker 3: Dot co dot sid a.
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Speaker 2: And if you would like to try a fancy camping
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Speaker 2: holiday or a caravaning holiday, but you don't own all
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Speaker 2: the equipment, and you don't want to have to invest
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Speaker 2: in all of the equipment before you know whether you
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Speaker 2: like it or not. This is an opportunity for you
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Speaker 2: to rent somebody else's caravan and take it on holiday.
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Speaker 2: JP Maybe at this point let's talk about how it
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Speaker 2: actually works in practice. So somebody comes onto your site
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Speaker 2: thinking I'd like to take my family on a caravan
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Speaker 2: holiday somewhere in the Western Cape. What do they do next?
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Speaker 2: How does it work? Do you filter by region? Do
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Speaker 2: you filter by the kind of vehicle you are looking for?
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Speaker 2: Just chatters through how the whole system works.
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Speaker 4: Okay, there's a couple of options. So the first one is,
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Speaker 4: like you said on the platform, you go onto the system,
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Speaker 4: you go and search for your area, your pickup location.
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Speaker 1: We want to pick it up. So you specifically.
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Speaker 4: Gave the idea of the concept of going camping somewhere
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Speaker 4: in the Western Cape. But if let's say you want
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Speaker 4: to go to the Kruger and you're from Cape Town,
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Speaker 4: you don't need to rent a caravan in the Cape Town.
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Speaker 4: You can rent one closer to your final destination, so
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Speaker 4: you don't have to sew all the way and drop
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Speaker 4: it off back there, but you go onto the platform,
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Speaker 4: you search for the area that you want to pick
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Speaker 4: it up. Then there's a whole bunch of sub folds
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Speaker 4: that you can apply for. So one of the biggest
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Speaker 4: restrictions in South Africa's some years ago people stopped through
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Speaker 4: normally when you went to go and do your license,
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Speaker 4: everyone received the EB license was allowed to do. Now
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Speaker 4: in this last twenty to three years that has changed,
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Speaker 4: so everyone that's got their license, I think in the
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Speaker 4: last twenty five years is not allowed to sew anything
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Speaker 4: bigger than seven hundred and fifty kilograms. So if your
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Speaker 4: license doesn't permit it, you just flick on the switch
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Speaker 4: to stay what you can to legally, and then you
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Speaker 4: start looking at caravans or for caravans, what's your price
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Speaker 4: budget or your budget and what's available on your dates.
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Speaker 4: And once you picked your caravan that will make your
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Speaker 4: weekend happen or your trip happen, you put in a
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Speaker 4: booking request and from there on the owner the owner
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Speaker 4: or the host of the caravan and you get into
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Speaker 4: contact with each other. Those decides if he's willing to
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Speaker 4: allow his caravan to go where you want to go,
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Speaker 4: and you can chat and talk and you can guide
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Speaker 4: you through all of those things. Then you make the
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Speaker 4: booking payment and from that point onwards compete text over
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Speaker 4: again to ensure the insurance insurance, the verifications happens to
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Speaker 4: kebyd C checks happens if it's a cross border trip,
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Speaker 4: that all the paperwork gets fold in order, and then
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Speaker 4: afterwards when the trip, when you return the caravan, we
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Speaker 4: take over again to facilitate with the breakage deposits. And
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Speaker 4: if there is a claim, all of the rest of
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Speaker 4: the admin around it then okay.
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Speaker 2: So I mean this is a detailed process Japan. You've
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Speaker 2: you've touched on one important side of the equation. I
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Speaker 2: want to ask you about the other side. Your owner
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Speaker 2: of the caravan wants to check that they're happy for
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Speaker 2: this potential client to take their precious vehicle where they
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Speaker 2: say they're going. What about the renters assurances that the
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Speaker 2: vehicle they're getting is in good condition and they're not
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Speaker 2: going to pick it up get one hundred kilometers into
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Speaker 2: their trip and discover that there's actually something wrong with it,
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Speaker 2: or the lights aren't working properly, or something else has
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Speaker 2: not been seen to do you do any sort of
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Speaker 2: prep and vetting work on your side.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'm my names Christian, I'm the general manager
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Speaker 6: of Compey High Christray, And yes, there is a vetting
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Speaker 6: process that we go through that the vehicle is road
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Speaker 6: with the end, the vehicle is a rent rentable and
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Speaker 6: presentable to a rent.
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Speaker 1: And there's always.
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Speaker 7: The communication between the owner and the rent that is
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Speaker 7: they can be possible.
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Speaker 1: Viewing before you do your two week grew it trip.
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Speaker 1: You just want to go check in is this which
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Speaker 1: you need? Is this what you want before doing the
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Speaker 1: complete reservation.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's good to know because yeah, Paul asking how
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Speaker 2: do you rely on cleanliness, quality, et cetera. So you
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Speaker 2: have the option to actually go and view the vehicle
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Speaker 2: before pick up if you want to. And as you've
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Speaker 2: just heard Paul, Compy itself doing its own verification and
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Speaker 2: checking processes. Christian book the general manager joining us as
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Speaker 2: well on the Zoom call. He's the man who keeps
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Speaker 2: the operations running smoothly and the owners happy. Robin is
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Speaker 2: asking would one find caravans that are already at a
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Speaker 2: caravan parks that you don't have to toe and a
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Speaker 2: similar question from Charles saying I've just returned from Krueger.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to know if there's an option for the
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Speaker 2: compy owners to deliver the caravans that lazy people like
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Speaker 2: me can just move in. Is that part of the
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Speaker 2: option that somebody would deliver the caravan to where you
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Speaker 2: want to be sitting in?
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Speaker 4: It interesting question because it's a portion of the platform
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Speaker 4: that we launched a week ago Company Adventure Okay. That
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Speaker 4: allows so we are busy getting all the owners together
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Speaker 4: to let's tair caravans on towing services, don't set up services,
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Speaker 4: and there's a couple of caravans that's already set up
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Speaker 4: at resorts that are starting to list on the Company
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Speaker 4: Adventure platform. So we wanted to keep it sort of
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Speaker 4: inside of the platform, but as a separate stream to
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Speaker 4: ensure that if you want to go where you want to.
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Speaker 1: Go, you go to you book your caravan.
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Speaker 4: But if you want to go to a specific result
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Speaker 4: and there's already a caravan set up for you, or
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Speaker 4: there's an owner willing to tow it for you and
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Speaker 4: go and set it up for you, that's an additional service.
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Speaker 1: That we do offer now. And like I said, we
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Speaker 1: basically launched that a week.
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Speaker 2: Ago, okay, So well, timed questions. Thanks for that and
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Speaker 2: your Claude just writing in to say from Claremont. Over
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Speaker 2: ten years ago we camped in Heart Andbass and we
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Speaker 2: booked a caravan which was ready on site for us.
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Speaker 2: It was absolute heaven is Claude's comment. So I think
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Speaker 2: you've hit on a very good idea here. For some people,
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Speaker 2: half the fun is the towing the vehicle behind you
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Speaker 2: and you know, taking the journey from pickup.
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Speaker 3: But for some people the convenience of just arriving.
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Speaker 2: And being able to walk in the front door of
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Speaker 2: the caravan and start your holiday is going to be
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Speaker 2: what they're after. So I think it's great that you
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Speaker 2: expanding to offer both of those options. Nadia writes in
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Speaker 2: to say I grew up with only camping holidays.
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Speaker 3: It was the best. The best about.
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Speaker 2: Camping is that you can visit places where most people
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Speaker 2: don't go, like Barley's Hut in the Cedarburg, a beautiful
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Speaker 2: piece of nature only for camping. It's got such a
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Speaker 2: wonderful name, Nadia. I'd never heard of that before, but
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Speaker 2: now I'm intrigued to go and.
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Speaker 3: Look it up.
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Speaker 2: If you've got questions. We are in conversation with Christian
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Speaker 2: and jpforcht off. The platform comepy spelled KAMPI. The website
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Speaker 2: is compy dot co dot s. If there's anything about
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Speaker 2: the process you'd like to know, you're welcome to ask
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Speaker 2: a question by sending a WhatsApp to O seven two
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Speaker 2: five six seven one five six seven Is there anything JP,
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Speaker 2: let me put this one back to you. Is there
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Speaker 2: anything about the caravanning experience which a complete novice needs
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Speaker 2: to be warned about or needs to be made aware
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Speaker 2: of that that isn't sort of widely known. Whether it's
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Speaker 2: something to do with the number of people you put
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Speaker 2: into the space, the way you live inside a caravan,
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Speaker 2: anything that comes to mind that you want to just say,
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Speaker 2: you know, please be mindful of X, y and z
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Speaker 2: before you commit to a long caravan trip.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so nothing comes to top of my mind.
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Speaker 4: But when you said before you committing to a long
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Speaker 4: caravan trip, there's a lot of renters or people that
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Speaker 4: want to go explore Putswana or Tonqua for two, three
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Speaker 4: four weeks at a time, and what generally happens is
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Speaker 4: they'll book a weekend on with the caravan that they're
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Speaker 4: planning on renting to first learn to see out is
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Speaker 4: and how it works, and sure they are and everything
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Speaker 4: before they just go straight up and rent the caravan
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Speaker 4: or trailer for their.
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Speaker 1: Two three weeks tour.
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Speaker 4: Because there's there's always something. You'd never know how much
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Speaker 4: you can back, how much light you would need for
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Speaker 4: specifically for my wife, she loves a If the caravan
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Speaker 4: is heart, running water and a toilet inside, I cannot
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Speaker 4: have to go out at night. For me, I don't care.
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Speaker 4: I'm happy with a roof dot tent slipping off the
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Speaker 4: ladder after night.
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Speaker 3: It's each you know, each to their own needs.
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Speaker 2: And once I take your point, and I think it's
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Speaker 2: a very good idea to say, before you commit to
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Speaker 2: the long trip, test it out for a shorter trip.
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Speaker 2: In the meantime, an important thing we haven't spoken about
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Speaker 2: is pricing, and one or two people are asking what's
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Speaker 2: the sort of average rate per day JP. I would
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Speaker 2: imagine it's got very hugely according to what it is
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Speaker 2: that you're renting and the spec. But do you want
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Speaker 2: to give us some sort of broad parameters.
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Speaker 4: Yes, like you said, it's it's quite a wide range,
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Speaker 4: but you can start all the way I believe from
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Speaker 4: about four hundred rand a day all the way up
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Speaker 4: to four thousand and five thousand rand a day, depending
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Speaker 4: on what kind of caravan more terms, is generally a
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Speaker 4: lot more expensive in the two three thousand rand ranges.
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Speaker 4: And then I know there's a whole following around a
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Speaker 4: specific luxurious caravan brand that is very popular as well.
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Speaker 4: So the pricing on that is the onner's price based
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Speaker 4: on demand for that, and on the pricing the owners
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Speaker 4: of the caravan, they decide what the price is, so
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Speaker 4: we don't we guide them to say generally this let's
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Speaker 4: say this caravan would generally go for between this and
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Speaker 4: this price in this area, but you are more than
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Speaker 4: I'll come to go and put it up for eight
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Speaker 4: thousand rand a day. That doesn't guarantee that you'll ever
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Speaker 4: get any rentals, but you dictate the price. I'm not
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Speaker 4: going to tell you how much your caravan is worth
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Speaker 4: the day.
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Speaker 2: I can guide you, okay, And just to to echo
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Speaker 2: what JP has just said, I'm on the site looking
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Speaker 2: at the options as we speak, and there you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at everything from seven hundred and ninety round
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Speaker 2: a day for a full four sleeper caravan to as
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Speaker 2: you said, the more expensive sort of super luxurious versions
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Speaker 2: which come in at a couple of thousand, still a
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Speaker 2: lot cheaper obviously than paying for a hotel stay or
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Speaker 2: an actual Airbnb. And before we run out of time,
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Speaker 2: JP and Christian, anything else you'd like to mention that
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Speaker 2: I haven't asked you about that you think is important
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Speaker 2: to flag for somebody who might be contemplating trying this
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Speaker 2: for the first time ever.
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Speaker 8: Yes, so, gamping is It's something that I used to say, Yeah,
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Speaker 8: camping is working.
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Speaker 9: So if you want to go work, keep your mind
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Speaker 9: mine of the office and work. So yes, then you
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Speaker 9: need to go and camp. But in a broad spectrum
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Speaker 9: is if you if you are.
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Speaker 7: The own of a caravan and you only go camp
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Speaker 7: once a weekend every month, you basically only use your
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Speaker 7: caravans two weeks in a fifty two week calender year,
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Speaker 7: which means for fifty weeks to get that the caravan
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Speaker 7: stands in your garage. And so this could be the
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Speaker 7: way to start getting some extra funds in. And we
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Speaker 7: do have everything that to back you up as an
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Speaker 7: owner and to back their renters up, so we've got
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Speaker 7: everything in place.
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Speaker 10: This is not something that we do for just two
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Speaker 10: or three weeks. It came, It came along time. It's
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Speaker 10: about six years would be doing this now, so we
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Speaker 10: do have quite quite a good experience.
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Speaker 4: And just to add quickly to what Christian said is
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Speaker 4: in the five six years that we've been operational, we
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Speaker 4: have facilitat did successfully just over seven thousand tools in
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Speaker 4: South Africa.
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Speaker 3: So you know what you're doing by now.
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Speaker 2: In short, last question before we must say goodbye, it's
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Speaker 2: an important one, Neline asking whether your caravans are pet friendly.
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Speaker 2: Is that up to the individual owner or is it
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Speaker 2: something you don't love it all?
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Speaker 1: It's up to the owner.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so Noline, you can you can, you can do
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Speaker 2: your research to find one that would allow you to
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Speaker 2: take your pets with you if you want to do that,
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Speaker 2: and that's a priority for you. We must wrap there,
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Speaker 2: but it's been fascinating chatting to you, Christine and JP.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a wonderful concept and I'm delighted to
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Speaker 2: hear that over seven thousand people have agreed and given
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Speaker 2: it a chance, and I hope some Cape talkers are
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for being with us. This afternoon.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. I have a good day you too.
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Speaker 3: Keep well and safe travels.
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