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Most Respected Opponents · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Hello, and welcome to another exciting episode of Pittsburgh Sports Memories Podcast, the podcast that brings back the memories from long ago, or maybe not so long ago.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: But um on this episode, we're going to uh go with the most respected opponents in uh Pittsburgh Sports.
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  SPEAKER_01: So as usual, uh I'm your host, Steve Wirt, and I'm joined with my co-host.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: I am Tim Hannon.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, normally a good adversary will bring out the best in yourself, and uh, you know, these are people and organizations.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Did I say that?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, said that right, um, can that will bring out the best.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, like, you know, there's obviously like certain teams and organizations and people that the Pittsburgh sports fans probably don't respect too much, but this is not that list.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is people that uh in organizations that they do exist.
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  SPEAKER_01: So without further uh introduction, we'll uh start.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm gonna go first.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh Notre Dame.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um the the school there in South Bend.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um they play Pit a lot.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of went with just the football part.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't really they don't really have that great of a rivalry, I think, at basketball.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: I can't think of like any real like like moments I think we in the one basketball podcast, but basketball, they had a little bit of some, but um um they played each other somewhat regularly since 1909.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Notre Dame does lead the series all time, 49, 21, and 1.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: There was a tie in there somewhere.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um so uh what were some of the moments that uh maybe got pit fans and a little fired up there?
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: Was uh I remember this fired me up.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Remember when Charlie Weiss said the days of losing to Pitt in Purdue were over?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then Charlie Day's days of coaching were over soon after that.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that was after the first year, because his first game he came and like laid it on like Pitt pretty good.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that was Pitt's second game.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: That was once that second game, technically.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, not technically, it was his second game.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh yeah, they lost pretty bad, and it was kind of like, well, maybe Notre Dame's back to being like really good and being perennial powerhouse that they normally are.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: But unfortunately, like you said, for Charlie Weiss, he um you know what he it made a big difference when you don't have the cheater tapes, huh?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: When you don't know what plays the defense are running and actually have to call it straight up, uh that kind of because that that guy hasn't done anything since since he lost the cheater tape.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: So good for good for him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I guess better for Pitt that they beat him, I think the next three times.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: I know it was there one time I was yelling at him.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm sure he felt great shame while I yelled at him.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: But uh another great, great moment um uh was uh Pitt, they beat the uh Notre Dame there in Notre Dame.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: And remember the triple overtime game where the sprinklers went off, like in the one overtime.
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  SPEAKER_01: The game went so long it was like, hey, we're gonna water the field in the middle of it.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: But um, nevertheless, I think that was uh uh Pat Bostik.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: Pat Bostik was the quarterback that year.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: But um, and uh James Connor kind of had a decent game against them.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: He got two touchdowns in a game in 2014.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think that was still under Paul Christ coached teams.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: So um pretty pretty good rivalry there.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, not a lot of animosity because like Notre Dame fans are kind of like not jerks.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so and it's hard to like really be mad at the Notre Dame fans, and and for the most part, their coaches are pretty classy out.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: Charlie Weiss was kind of the only one, like Lou Holtz, who was it, Willingham, Bob Davy, who who's up there now.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know who's their coach now.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's some some guy, like wasn't it their defensive coordinator last year or something?
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean I don't know.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's they don't really do anything that really like maybe that one time, like I remember in Notre Dame, like a cute like I think it was just literally a fan tried to call in like it was like half the pit roster was like doing something bad or something.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's uh Tino Sinceri, Ray Graham.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was like so obvious that it was fake, it was pretty laughable.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: But besides that, I I really uh I don't know.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think, Tim?
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do you respect the Notre Dame fighting Irish?
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've I've I I think like Notre Dame for some reason kind of falls into that love-hate category, and I've always always kind of liked them.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: I yeah, I mean, hey, Rudy played for them, how can you hate him?
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  SPEAKER_02: Rudy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Rudy was off sides.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: Which is a popular t-shirt if you go fit Notre Dame games, but it really it really isn't that like that bad of a rivalry, I never thought.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: So it's definitely nowhere near the like level of like animosity of like a Penn State and West Virginia for sure.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, not a lot to hate.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're hard hard to not respect the tradition and everything that comes with Notre Dame football.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_02: They have a great fight song, too.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: So they do.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: So uh that brings us to our next thing, and Tim, I think you have this one.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so my first respected opponent, I'm gonna go with a player, I'm gonna go with uh a controversial one, perhaps.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_02: Terrell Suggs.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh number number fifty-five for the Baltimore Ravens, played for the Ravens for years and years, was involved in so many of those wars against the Steelers.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I just I always thought he had a lot of respect for Pittsburgh.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um he talked about Heinz Field being w one of the toughest places to play, and he and Ben Rothesberger exchanged jerseys, things like that.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: He just I always thought he showed a lot of reverence and respect uh for the rivalry.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought that um really that era with him kind of transformed that Raven Steelers rivalry from just this like fierce hatred to kind of this fierce mutual respect.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was very different from the days of like the late Tony Saragusa encouraging Baltimore fans to uh beat up the Steelers fans or Joey Porter falling the Ravens out to their bus and getting in a fight with them, right?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like that those early days of the Steelers Ravens are where you were marked by a lot of just hatred and mean-spirited kind of stuff like that.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like now it's it the two fan bases um you know certainly don't like each other, don't like the team, but I just feel like there's a lot more respect on like Suggs kinda ushered in that transformation, so I gotta give some props to to Terrell Suggs guy I always would have loved to have on our team.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: He says he's well, he's no Bart Scott, that's fair.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: I I remember more Bart Scott than Terrell Suggs.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: I know Suggs was really good, but I don't know why I remember Bart Scott more than Terrell Suggs.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe just because it didn't it was he the one that said can't wait, but that was when he was with the Jets.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Bart Bart Scott was more like in those earlier again, yeah.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know, if you like if you divide up that that the Ravens have been around for what, 25 years or so now.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: You divide up that rivalry in half, you kind of go like pre you know the Harbaugh Flacco years and post the Harbaugh Flacco years, and Scott and Ray Lewis and Saragusa and Billick, you know, uh Joey Porter, all those guys were like in that first part of that era, and I think like I said, Suggs kind of was in both eras because he played for like 47 years.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but it I just I always thought he I always thought he just showed a lot of reverence and respect to the rivalry.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know, again, a guy I just have respect for.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it definitely I would say the Ravens rivalry in general.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, even though the the Steelers do lead the series 32 games, 32 wins, the 24 losses, and it really like kind of carried over from the old Cleveland Browns.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: But I always thought like when they were in Cleveland, it was more like you said, a hatred.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then I remember um this one time when they were they were feuding, like Shannon Sharp said, Oh, there's a lot of that was in 2000.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: There were a lot of issues in Pittsburgh, and then like I think the Steelers beat them later that same season, and that was like their last loss.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: And and uh Bill Cower is like, yeah, we're fine over here.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: So that was a fun moment.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, also in 2005, Sports Illustrated ranked that rivalry as number two on the list of top ten new rivalries.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: So and by 2015, Bleacher Report had it ranked in the number one rivalry, which is kind of surprising better than Bears Packers Bears, because I always thought that was I know that's that's the oldest rivalry, isn't it?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think in the NFL.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I always thought that was more like, and then there's some pretty good ones like Cowboys Redskins or oops, sorry, Cowboys Guardians, or generals, or commanders, or commanders, Sentinels.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, that's that's from a movie.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: No uh I'm trying to think of what other like big rivalries that would come like uh the Steelers also like had a pretty good rival with the Raiders, but it's not been consistent.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: And the Dolphins they had a little bit of a rivalry with, but not really as much as the Ravens.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, who could forget Ray Lewis putting a bounty on Richard Menton Hall?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think that was but that was still later.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Was that when Suggs was on the team?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: I guess.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was that was the year that they won the Super Bowl.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: So that was oh eight, so that would have been the Harbaugh Flacco era.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's it's not totally clean of bad people and bad acts.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: But again, like that was also the year they played in the AFC Championship game, and you know, that game was just brutal, and that I felt like that was another one where you just had to respect both both teams, and they respected each other.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know, it wasn't it wasn't the hatred that it would have been a few years earlier, at least in my humble opinion.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean it's just like you said, the bounties on Heinz Ward and Yeah.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, Terrell Suggs was quoted as that there was a bounty put out.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: But he's the one that said it was a joke.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's like oh you're just kidding.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was the one that unfortunately said it out loud.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but then you know the NFL didn't care because it wasn't Brett Favre.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, all right, Tim, who do you got next?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, um I'm gonna go with another AFC North rival.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm gonna go with the red rifle.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: Andy Dalton.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: Andy Dalton.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's tough like to separate him from that's an interesting nuance there.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: I like how you separated him from the Bengals of that era because I totally don't respect any of those other Bengals.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: And and that's really the the the conundrum with Andy Dalton because he's the guy that piloted all those Vontez Berfeck, Pac-Man Jones era bangles where they had these just horrific games with the Steelers where people were getting maimed and killed and and paralyzed and everything else, and and beer bottles throwing at Ben as he's being carted off the field.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it was just a nasty, ugly, awful thing to watch there for about four or five years.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: But Annie Dalton really kind of I always thought kind of rose above that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And off the field, he's a really good dude.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: He and his wife have a foundation that supports uh ill and physically challenged kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh probably one of the most famous moments of his career, ironically, was when he beat the Ravens in the last uh game of the season to put the Buffalo Bills into the playoffs, and Buffalo fans ended up donating over$400,000 to his charity.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember that, Steve?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot that was the Bengals.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that was another team.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: But I remember watching that game.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: I remember that like Baltimore fell apart at the end of that game.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because it was like a fourth and twenty.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: They had the that that was a game they had to win.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because that's right, because they put Buffalo in the playoffs.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember that people like the Buffalo fans donated like a bunch of money to his charity.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was and and it was a cool action.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was pretty neat, yeah.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: It actually spawned a bunch of copycat actions uh in in 2021 when uh Daniel Carlson, the kick the kicker for the Raiders, uh, kicked an overtime field goal to put the Steelers into the playoffs to beat the Chargers.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: There were a bunch of Steelers fans that donated to his uh charity.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, that was sort of a thing that happened, you know, repeatedly because and it all started with Andy Dalton and and the Buffalo fans.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: So just a I don't know, just a good guy and like again, hard to hate.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, very, very played for that awful, disgusting excuse for a team, kind of had a face that was punchable, but um, I don't know, just hard guy to dislike.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: I can't argue with that one.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: The yeah, the punchable face.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I'd go around punching Andy Dalton.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: He looks like he could kick my butt.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but hey, that that's just me, Tim.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Feel free.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, your results may vary, I guess.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um no, I will I will totally uh sit here behind my microphone and talk big instead.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well, I'm gonna go with the uh the Indianapolis Colts.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: And um just a little uh background there.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the the Steelers actually lead this series against the Colts uh 26 wins to six losses, and that goes all believe it or not, that goes back to the Baltimore days in the 50s, if you believe like so that's wild that like Baltimore was really good in the 50s, weren't they, with Johnny United and all those other guys.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they had a good defense too.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, so some feud moments.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, remember in 2005, we probably went over this on our podcast of that uh Super Bowl 40.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Joey Porter called the Colts soft.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: So uh that probably wasn't as good.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: He said they just don't want to sit there and line up and play football.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: They want to play, they want to try and catch you off guard.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: They don't want to play smash mouth football, they want to trick you, they want to catch you substituting.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: So he was definitely critical of how Peyton Manning uh managed the game.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, also, like another great moment in that season, I remember Mike Mike Vanderjack laughed at Bill Cower after he called a timeout to freeze him.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: So but uh yeah, that didn't work out too well for the uh West Virginia alum there.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh the good moments, uh they they beat the Colts in that same playoff game that year after Jerry Polak.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: They backed up uh Joey Porter's talk.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, why are they respected?
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's because of the people like the Johnny Unitis is, like I said, um, you know, they've had a lot of like uh uh who was their tight end?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the John Mackey, um Tony Dungey, coach there, Peyton Manning.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like they've always seemed like like I don't I think their owner's kind of a goofball, like because I it's still the owner's son is the one.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was Carol Rosenblum who moved them, huh?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was Arse.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was the Arsays.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: You're the same family, yep.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not I they never seem like and their fans never seem to be jerks and stuff.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: And like even their announcers, like when they lost like that game in '95, like the Hail Mary that fell short there, pretty complimentary of the Steelers.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: And there's complimentary of the Steelers when they beat them, you know, in that playoff game, and that had to be pretty disappointing because you know they were trying to win Tony Dungey a Super Bowl and stuff, and Peyton that wouldn't pay Mannings for a Super Bowl.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: They had to wait one more year.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: They still got their Super Bowl the next year.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think, Tim?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do you agree with that?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think Steelers fans is it just because we beat them all the time?
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: They they really I mean, they really don't.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of those teams, like there's just I said this before, there's just certain teams in like certain sports that always beat other teams or always lose.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it seems like the Steelers always like when it counts, they always beat the Colts.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that's true.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: And that's a good call, putn't it, 'cause like if I wouldn't have thought to put the Indianapolis Colts on the list, but then when you like reel it off some of the history and some of the guys, the United's Peyton, Tony Dungey, like even with Andrew Locke, I mean it was still yeah.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Or even even like some of the guys they have now, Jonathan Taylor and and uh like like it, yeah, you're right.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's it's an organization that you can root for, and um like you said, usually run a pretty good organization compared to some of the other teams in the NFL.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that's a that's a good underrated pick there.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: All right, what's up for you uh what's your next pick there, Tim?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go with uh Rip Hamilton, uh Richard Hamilton.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um so this is very similar to my Dalton pick because I played for a team that I just absolutely despised.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we played for that that late 90s Connecticut basketball team who won a national championship.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I've I've talked about that on the show before, how I just I hated that Yukon team so much and call it Alamine and and Calhoun and all those guys.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: But man, I just I always really liked watching uh Richard Hamilton play basketball.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: He was he was this 6'7 uh shooting guard, but he could play like forward as well, very versatile.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um and he ended up uh playing for the Detroit Pistons in the NBA and and winning a uh a championship for them in in 2004.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: So um yeah, Richard Hamilton again, guy for guy for a team I hated, but guy that I I had a lot of respect for and liked to watch.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: I I think I vaguely remember him for Detroit more than Yukon.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: And that was that was that team with like who was like Chauncey Billups and and uh oh man.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: They had that big guy that could get rebounds on the Pistons, too.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Ben Wallace.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's hard to believe they won like an NBA championship.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I guess that's almost 20 years now, but it doesn't seem that I mean it's 2004 almost 20 years.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, it's 18 years ago.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's hard to believe.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: So uh we're getting old here.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um be that as it may, Richard Hamilton, a respected opponent.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um for uh I'm gonna go with uh the Montreal and I Canadians.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: Why do people say it like the Canadians?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like they say it weird.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: Is that like a it's a Canada thing?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's a French Canadian thing.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the Canadians, they actually played the Penguins in their uh first the Penguins' first ever game as an NHL team.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Can you guess what the outcome of that game was, Tim?
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like one to nothing or something.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Two to one.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: The Canadian the Canadians won.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who was playing in 1968, I'm sure it was like a bunch of Hall of Famers still on the on Montreal's team there.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh the Canadians lead the series 124, 63, and 23.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because remember, we used to have lots of ties in hockey.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the Canadians have also beaten the Penguins twice in the playoffs, uh, 98 in 2010.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: I why I they didn't count like because I got this from the Canadians website.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like they didn't count that weird other one, like that COVID year.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: Was that technically not the playoffs, Tim's?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Is that uh it was it, I mean that was the year they had like 24 teams and they had like a three-game opening round.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: To me, that's the playoffs.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: On the Canadians website, they did not count that, unless it just hadn't been updated.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: They beat us then, too, so whatever.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: If they don't want to take credit for it, I can't help them.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh some feud moments.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: I remember uh PK PK Suban injuring Jordan Stahl.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember that?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like he like I don't know if that was on purpose or you know, it just like I remember not kind of liking PK Suban after that.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's like I really wanted somebody to hit him, and I don't think everybody ever did.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um The good moments, uh well, the penguins uh I think they beat them in some regular season games every once in a while.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I remember like one time they had to go up to Montreal and score seven goals to win, which was pretty impressive because Carrie Price was playing goalie and they put seven, I think they put a touchdown on him, so that was pretty wild.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so why do we just respect the Montreal Canadians?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: 24 Stanley Cups.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they're an original six team, and I never I I don't think their fans are jerks because I mean they are like you know Canadians.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how much of a jerk?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I guess you shouldn't say because like Maple Leaf fans are really annoying.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think Maple Leaf fans think they're the Canadians and they're not.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's like this team is like way better than your team ever was.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I realize that neither of them have won a Stanley Cup's.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Since like nineteen ninety-three, but at least the Montreal has that over nineteen, what, sixty-seven for the Maple Leaf.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: So any arguments there, Tim?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're right.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's um a lot of history.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Hard to disrespect them.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: There's not a they haven't given you a lot of reasons to hate them, I guess.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I I've liked some of their players over the years.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: You mentioned like Carrie Price and there was Patrick Waugh, and they like they just had some I almost put Mike Camillary on on my list.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: He was a guy that I when we did lose to them that one year, I think you said 2010.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um he just destroyed I thought he destroyed us in the playoffs that year.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, man, it again, like I wish that guy played for us.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: I just thought he was he was really good.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: So um, yeah, uh that's a good pick.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Who's I think it's your turn.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Is it your turn?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: It is my turn, and I am I will stick with hockey, and I'm gonna go with Craig Anderson.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh veteran goaltender, still in the league, about to begin his 21st season in the NHL.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's still wow.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: Who is he playing for?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: He's playing for the Buffalo Sabres.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, that's barely an NHL hockey team.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: So Craig Anderson, 21 years in the league, got lots of games versus the Penguins, obviously.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the probably the most memorable was in 2017 when he carried what was a pretty mediocre Ottawa Senators team all the way to overtime of Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Penguins.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that was the year that the Chris Gunitz got that puck past him that kind of fluttered over his shoulder.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: And it was like one of the great moments in Penguin history.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: But if you go back and watch that, you just see like his whole like face and shoulders drop.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I I I do remember feeling sorry for him in that moment because he just played his heart out in that series.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: And he had this really inspirational story that year uh because he and his wife had gone through a miscarriage, and then shortly after that he was diagnosed with throat cancer.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, it's like, man, if they just weren't playing the Penguins, he just really would have been rooting for him to win a Stan Cup, and they were literally one goal away from playing in the in the Stan Cup finals.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so that's a guy I I definitely had a lot of respect for.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: And uh yeah, still going strong after all these years.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: He like carried that that Senators team was not very good, and he literally carried them to the overtime of the seventh game.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the breaks in hockey.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's like this great goalie brings you all this way into just the lucky shot by like an unlucky, like and not on but um like a not a guy really known for scoring goals, but that's how hockey goes.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's so weird how hockey always seems to work like that.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we we talked in our um top penguins playoff moments about that goal.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: And Kunitz was a goal scorer at one point, but by that point in his career he was barely even on the ice.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: And it was just that's you're right, that's the way it goes in in over double overtime of game seven.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he didn't get a good, he really didn't get good wood on the puck, and it just kind of fluttered.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: Took this weird little kind of fluttering um trajectory, and it just kind of went over his shoulder.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: And again, great, great moment for the Penguins, super joyous moment for us as Penguin fans, but you did kind of feel for for Craig Anderson after all he had been through, just a tough way to end that season for him.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Can't disagree with you there.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think is that still the only I think that's one of the only Canadian teams they've ever beaten in the playoffs, too.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's the Senators.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a good trivia question.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean they've beaten the Senators more than once, but uh I don't think they've beaten anybody, any other Canadian.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Not that there's like a ton of Canadian teams they played, they would play in the playoffs.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: There'd only be two, right?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Two or three.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: Montreal and Toronto, they have never beaten for sure.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then you're right, a lot of the other ones are and then the other teams are in the West.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: They would have to play them in a final.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, good call.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well, moving on.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um now this one might be controversial.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: There might be some people that disagree with me on this one, and I will defend this as much as I'll defend anything, I guess.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um that would be the Dallas Cowboys.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: How about them Cowboys, Tim?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so the background, uh, the Cowboys actually lead the series 17 to 16.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh boy, who knew that uh that had to be that game with that big run at the end by what's his name?
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Zeke uh yeah.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the decider right now.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: But the Steelers did beat them two out of three times in the Super Bowl.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: So and like Meatloaf said, two out of three ain't bad.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: So um so what were some uh moments that were uh maybe more feudy?
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Hollywood Henderson insulting Terry Bradshaw.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: He said he couldn't spell cat if he spot on the C and the A.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I I I'm pretty sure Terry could spell cat.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: I know I don't know.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going out of the limb there.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um the good moments.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um I remember that 2009 regular, was that 2009 regular season where we beat them?
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think that was with Tony Roma through like an interception late in the game.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, that was Zoe 8.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: That was year we won the Super Bowl.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: So Zoe.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was uh that was a good time, right?
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I I I liked it.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't remember the Super Bowls because I was either non-existent or like one year old.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Were you alive for any of the Dallas Pittsburgh Super Bowls besides the one in 95?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I guess I would have been alive for the one in 78, but again, would have been sucking on a pacifier watching it.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like, ooh, ooh, Dallas Cowboys.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Dairy can't spell cat.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um so what what what what's up with the respect?
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um they are like for better or worse, they are America's team.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: They probably have I don't know who has a bigger, I think they have a pretty big fan base.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the Steelers have a very big fan base.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: The football team in Washington has a very large fan base.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: I would say, and the Giants do have a large fan base.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know, like if I was like handicapping the biggest fan bases in the National Football League, that would probably be my top five.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Throw the Packers in, too, but definitely would definitely be like what?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: What would you think?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: Washington, then probably Dallas, New York, then us in Green Bay.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's probably your top five.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Patriots are up there too, I'm sure.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, just because they're in a big market, too, but I don't think they have the national appeal like Dallas.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think also, too, like having Roger Stahlbach, who was like Captain of you know, kind of Captain America, and uh Tom Landry was I always thought he was kind of classy.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: I I've never heard anything to you know contradict that.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: And uh Tony Dorsett, too, the homegrown kid there at the end, I'm sure helped helped us.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: I respect him.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if the older fans, I know like, you know, maybe the older the old timers not so much, but um and you know they did win some other Super Bowls, so they weren't completely unsuccessful.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Is this like a Ravens Steelers kind of thing?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe not without the intensity as much.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know, Tim.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I I mean, I'm I'm not a fan of the Cowboys.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: I I um I always hated those Mike Orb and Emmett Smith teams.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't I didn't like the team, but I I did I did like like Aikman and Novachek.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: And Emmett Smith, Emmett Smith wasn't horrible.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: I always thought I always thought Troy Aikman was like very underrated as a quarterback.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um you're right.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: They've had some they've had some likable players over the years, and even recently they've had some you know, like I I don't hate Dak Prescott or Ezekiel Elliott or any of the guys they have now.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: I just I think it's more just the aura of America's team and and they put the hole in the stadium so God could look down on the star.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's the kind of stuff that you just want to vomit when you hear.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: And but I I don't think like Cody Tom Landry or Roger Starbuck necessarily.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't think yeah.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: I maybe it's like an Andy Dalton kind of situation where you respect the player more than maybe I don't know.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's fair.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean I think I think what puts it over the top for me, and I've said this in previous episodes, is their fans are just unbelievably obnoxious.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they are.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: And like, and that's like But they're all over the place.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, wasn't Chris Christie, who's like the governor of New Jersey, has no connection to Texas.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean he's a Cowboys fan.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's the because that's that's the way I I have um family members who grew up uh in places where there wasn't a football team and they were cowboy fans because you just that's the team that people picked, and that's the people team people stuck with.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean that that's kind of cool that they have that kind of appeal.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you have to respect that.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: But just anytime, and again, they don't not like they play in Pittsburgh very often, but anytime that they have, it's just they're they're just relentlessly annoying.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: So that's just my been my experience, and maybe maybe I don't have a large enough sample size.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so you could say that.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: But you go to the games and have to deal with their fans more than I do.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: I've never I don't know.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know I like it seems like cowboy fans sometimes are a little bit like front runners, you know what I mean?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like when they're not good, they disappear.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, they're none around now.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and Jerry Jones, I mean, he's another guy, it's hard to hard to have any respect for him.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: But but you're right, a lot of tradition, a lot of um, you know, the definitely one of the marquee franchises in sports, so that's about all all the good I'll say about them.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well like they say, if you don't have anything nice to say all right, Tim, who's up next?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I'll stay with football and go with Kurt Warner.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um now uh you know Kurt Warner's not a we're talking about opponents of Pittsburgh sports teams.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: Kurt Warner literally only played against the Steelers twice in his entire career.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: I believe.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, isn't it?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but he didn't.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well one was a Super Bowl.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: And that's that's what I was gonna say.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, one of them was you know, maybe the the greatest game in well, I would say definitely the greatest game in the history of the Steelers, arguably one of the greatest games in the history of the league.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Not not such a great game for the Cardinals, Arizona, Arizona, Chicago, or St.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Louis.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: But he was he was a big part of that.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: And he was a guy you just had to admire.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: He had that great story and uh always carried himself.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: And one of those guys that professed a lot about his faith and then backed it up with the way he acted and carried himself.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: So um just really really admired Kurt Warner, really admired Glary Fitzgerald.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't put him on that list because you know he obviously played here.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but um, you know, just just that team.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: Again, another another just like Craig Anderson, it's like, man, you you wanted to see them win, just not at our expense.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like any other year, any other opponent, I would have been sitting there rooting my my heart out for those guys, but it is the way it is.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I saw his movie, and it it's it's uh it is a good story, and like to see everything that he had overcome and how it developed for him.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: And like I said, he he's a really decent person and seems to like you know walk the walk, and you know what it you know, he says what he's mean.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: So um moving on to a college football team, the Boston College Eagles.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um so uh Pitt's played them fairly frequently.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um Pitt actually leads the series 17 to 15, believe it or not.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um they they met first met uh in 1959, and Pitt actually won that one.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um Pitt uh the lost them a couple times in the 70s, but then rattled off a bunch of victories between 72 and 81.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um they had annual matchups from like 1985 to 2004, and BC obviously Pitt like sucked in the 90s, so BC like won a lot of those games.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um but they've only now played three times since 2004 because you know they aren't they weren't in the same conference, they haven't been in the same division, but I think now they're going back to playing each other every year, so that's good.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um I just I remember the memorable game in 2004, and they played a game the other year.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: I I've mentioned a couple times.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: They both went to overtime.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: The 2004 game was probably much more significant because Pitt needed that to win their share of a Big East title.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean I always like uh their fans were always like decent, and I don't remember like their teams being like real like jerks or anything.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't know, they always always a good opponent and always like kind of classy, kind of like Notre Dame Jr.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: if that's if that's a thing, like maybe because they're a Catholic school.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think, Tim?
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, that's a that's like another good underrated pick because um it's really hard to in terms of a team that your favorite team plays, you know, in the same conference and plays has played regularly against for for your whole lifetime.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um you really can't think of anybody that you hated there.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even like even when Tom Coug even when Tom Coughlin was there.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it wasn't yeah, it wasn't that bad.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: You just you just never really hated anything about them.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's a good pick.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Probably the most controversial moment is when they left for the big east.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like like they left for the ACC.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I I know Pitt wasn't too happy about that.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, Pitt losing on a missed extra point.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: But the better thing was Pitt that Tyler Pauco ran over that BC safety.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: So Yeah, yeah.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: That was fun.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what are you gonna do?
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, who's up next, Tim?
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll I'll stick with the theme of picking guys off of hated rivals.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go with with TJ Oshi.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so uh obviously plays for the Washington Capitals, um, lots of uh heated playoff moments against the Penguins over the years with TJ Oshi.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I really started liking him after he was the hero of that 2414 Olympics team uh whenever they played the Russians, and Dan Balsma just kept sending him out there in the shootout over and over and over again, and he kept scoring over and over again to beat the Russians in Russia.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: So uh I remember his Wikipedia page the next day got updated and said TJ Ushi is an American hero.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: And uh and so uh ever since then I've I've kind of been a TJ Ushi fan.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, again, he plays for the Capitals, but I I just I respect the guy, he plays hard.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: He's he's like Suggs, he's like a guy that I just would have always loved to have on our team.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm I'm putting TJ Ushi on my list.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: He's not quite uh Jack Johnson cap uh Captain America there.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: But um who is?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well he's a stay he's a Stanley Cup champion, so he is.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh good for him.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't yeah, and that was weird, like that that weird Olympic role.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think they finally did change that because like Dan Balsama kind of like abused the heck out of it.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: But uh that was a weird, weird one.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that was in that I forgot that was in Russia, so that was like in front of Butin and all the yeah.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Putin was I believe he was there.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: He had to be at the game.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: I can't imagine he wasn't at the game.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that was that was just that's one of those events that that game, because it wasn't like for a gold medal or something.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: Was it an elimination game?
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: I or was it just a pool game?
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was in yeah, it was in a pool, but I mean it mattered because it got them.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I'm not sure the Russians even made it out of the pool.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, because of that.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: I don't quote me on that.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: But every every game is important because you only have a handful of them.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: And and again, that one being in Sochi and and um Yeah, that was just beautiful.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I I I've you know, and then he that was when he played for St.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: Louis, so then he signed with the Capitals, and I'm like, well, I can't start hating him just because he plays for the Capitals, right?
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: So again, I I I still like TJ Oshi.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um going for like organizations that I I mean I want to hate this organization, and I just I just can't summon it for too very long, but um, that would be the St.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: Louis Cardinals of baseball, Tim, not of football, even though they were only there for like five years or ten years.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: So there's no Neil Lomax or Roy Brown or Dan Dierdorf uh in this team, but lots of uh who is the shortstop?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Ozzy Smith.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's Ozzie Smith and you know uh those like really good players.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: I read dad used to call him Tudor the Tor Turtle and then who was there?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh was no, it was Sparky, Sparky Anderson wasn't there uh Whitey Herzog.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's who I'm thinking of, yeah.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Whitey Herzog, and I mean even Yachty or Molina, and I mean they're they're all really, really good players.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: And um the Pirates actually, believe it or not, lead this series 1071 to 1016.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how that's humanly possible, but it is.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh moments that weren't so great.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the Pirates losing to the Cardinals in the divisional round.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: I remember being like really upset.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: That Waka guy pitched a pretty good game and Garrett Cole.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: Garrett Cole was decent, I think, in that, but they just they couldn't get past the Cardinals.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um I remember they beat the um the Pirates, were beating them when in like 2013.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: They I think they beat them in a series in the middle of the year, I remember, like in extra innings.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: It was pretty good.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um why why do we respect them?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh their fans are considered like the best in baseball, and their fans are generally like you know that Midwest kind of nice people and not like total jerks.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um heck, we've been National League rivals for like ever and ever.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just all in all, like kind of a classy organization.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: I always thought like they're kind of the Pittsburgh Steelers of baseball.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: So they they've won a lot of World Series.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: They always seem to like they're never like horrible, they're never god-awful.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: So and they're not Cubs fans, so they got that going for them.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a that's a that's another good pick.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: I I've always respected the Cardinals, and you talked about like the the team they had when kind of when we were kids in the 80s, and then the team they have today, and you're right, it's just always good players, pretty much class players.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Pool holes, too.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, overpool holes, yeah.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: Right, yeah, right.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely, definitely a franchise you just have to to admire.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, my next pick, I will go back to football and and go with Steve McNair, the longtime Titans quarterback who used to just crush the Steelers.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he he just was just he was one of those guys that you know he wasn't a tactician like uh Peyton Manning.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but he wasn't he wasn't an amazing athlete like a Michael Vick, uh some of some of his peers in that era, but he was just gutsy and he kind of did whatever it took to win a game.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: And and the the game I'll never forget is the uh the 2000 game at Three River Stadium that I that I was there for, uh where McNair he had he had taken this really hard shot two weeks earlier against Kansas City, and he actually was in the hospital, he was in a hospital bed and he told uh Jeff Fisher, the the coach, he said, I'm I'm done, I'm retiring.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: And like literally he was just gonna quit playing because he couldn't do this anymore to his body.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: And somehow, some way, I don't know if I I think his mother might have talked him out of it.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: But he rejoins the team for this game in Pittsburgh, but he's in no condition to play.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: He's on the bench, so they start our old buddy Neil O'Donnell, and the Steelers are beating O'Donnell and the Titans, but with like two minutes left, Jason Gildon crushes O'Donnell and he has to come out of the game.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: And they put McNair in.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Again, the guy was in a hospital bed.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: And McNair leads him on a 70-yard drive, which took 35 seconds and and resulted in a touchdown, and and they won the game.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know what the Steelers' big mistake in that game was?
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: Hurting Neil O'Donnell.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: And and so that was just that was McNair though.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like that was what he he was just a winner.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: And it you know, I say that and he would never won a Super Bowl, but just the way he played was again, he wasn't a stats guy, he wasn't uh a highlight reel guy.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: But you just I don't know.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: To me, I always had a lot of respect for him.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: I was sad when he he um passed away so tragically.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I he is a tough guy and just that old school kind of NFL.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like he could have played in any era.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: I remember him in college at at Alcorn State, believe it or not.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I just I don't I I just remember people talking about I don't obviously I don't think they had any of their games on TV.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: So and he you know I don't think he ever won a championship at in college either.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: But um he was really good in college and he was pretty good in the pros too.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean he came within like literally a foot of almost you know at least tying the Super Bowl.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: But um I don't know.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's it's a shame the way things he was in a he he he was another he just probably like he took such a beating.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: You wonder like what he would have done in this like era of football where you're not allowed to touch the quarterback.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been would have been interesting to see a guy like him play nowadays.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um going back to we're sticking with football, but this time it's a team, and it would be the Naval Academy.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I don't know about I don't know if Pitt ever plays them in basketball.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they do, maybe they don't.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't ever remember them playing them, but so we're just gonna stick to football on this one.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um Pitt actually leads the series 23, 14, and 3.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, their last meeting was in the Armed Forces Bowl, which Pitt lost 44-23.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I was there, I witnessed it, I lived it.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um some moments that were kind of interesting.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um in 1963, Pitt and Navy, they were the top two teams in the country.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Navy actually went on to play Texas for the national championship in the Contin Bowl.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: They actually lost.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Pitt had one of their better teams, but that was the no bowl game, no bowl year, even though they had nine wins because of the Kennedy assassination.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: I guess they didn't play for two weeks, so they didn't get invited.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um they they thought they would have beaten uh Navy, but um there was some coach on the on the sideline who helped scout Pitt.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: His name was Steve Belichick, so that would be Bill Belichick's father.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess you know he had a detailed scouting report, so that that helped.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: Stahlbach said that really helped him beat Pitt that year.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um Stahlbach and his teammates from that game, seven guys who played in that 1963 game became admirals in the Navy, and actually some of them died in Vietnam.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like pretty wild that like that's like all happened, and it's just you know, some some moments, the good mo the fade pass game.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: That was that was definitely a bad moment for Pitt.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like instead of like running LaShawn McCoy, like it went to overtime and Pitt had scored, and they were getting for two to finally beat like Navy because they couldn't stop the Navy option that day.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: That was uh who was that a Chris?
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was a Wannstad team.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so they threw a fade pass to uh was it Jonathan Baldwin?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: Or yeah, one of the receivers, and he dropped it.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I remember Tim really liked that call.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: He was really in favor of the fade pass instead of giving it to LaShawn McCoy.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it they had LaShawn McCoy who like Navy really hadn't stopped much, so uh the good moments, uh Pitt pretty regularly beat them besides the you know bowl game and the stupid fade pass game.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: So why why do we respect the Naval Academy, Tim?
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is a pretty easy one to see why they're a respected poem.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I do not think I've gone to enough pit games and I've gone to like more than one pit navy game.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I've ever heard anybody boo them, and if they did, it was very minor.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because, like, I mean, I'm on I don't know about you, Tim, and I don't know about our listeners, but I'm not going to boo an officer in the Navy because that's what those guys are.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: They're when they graduate Annapolis, they're going to be naval officers.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: So why would I do that?
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: I realize they're an opponent, and I hope we beat them every year.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to lose to them, but I'm I'm not gonna like freaking like boo them.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: And plus, like their fans are classy because all of them are like, you know, either in the military or graduated the military, and you know, except for you know, the guys in the army who don't like the Navy, but that's a whole different rivalry.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: But um I just I just like one of those opponents, I was respected, always liked when Pitt Pitt uh played them.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: I know my dad always liked when Pitt played them.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: I know they're not always the greatest team, but you know, it's I just think it's one of those teams that Pitt should just always play every year.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, well, well said.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_02: Can't can't hate on Naval Academy, right?
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that's a really good pick.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, naval officer.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I hope you drown.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, come on, like growing up.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there was a time when that that kind of stuff, you know, back in the Vietnam kind of Yeah, yeah, that's been or probably was happening.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: But you're right, we've it that's feels like that's so far in the past now.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that the folks that sort of can even relate, like the younger generation can't even relate to that.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like because the Gulf War changed a lot.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: I remember that growing up, even because my dad's a Vietnam veteran.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean growing up that you didn't talk about it in public, like him and his friends that were veterans would talk about, but nobody else, you would never yeah, just just was swept under the rug until the Gulf War, and then that seemed to change all that.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, that's a that's a good point.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_02: I had a I have a family member who was in the Navy in a little bit after Vietnam, like the early 80s, and he talked about how they would, you know, they would make sure they change into civilian clothes when they were um out at ports somewhere, like they they just it wasn't a popular thing to to be in the military, and now they march them out at football games and everything, well as they should, right?
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: But that that's very different than it was 40 years ago, and it's like you said, it's hard to relate to that or even remember that.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I remember it.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: I remember just because my father was a veteran, and but I don't think like my kids could relate to that.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: So again, it's it's definitely for the better.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: For the better.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: So who do you got?
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: Who do you got next, Tim?
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go with Nicholas Lidstrom, uh, arguably the the greatest defenseman in NHL history, he's a seven-time Norris trophy winner.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh obviously uh member of the Detroit Red Wings who played against the Penguins for many, many years, uh but also played against them in in two consecutive Stanley Cup finals, one of which was won by Detroit, one was won by Pittsburgh.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, that whole team I I mostly had respect for, not the biggest fan of their coach Mike Babcock at the time, but you know, um Lidstrom was just the consummate leader of that team, but just a really good hockey player, just you always feared him, um always consistent, really couldn't say anything negative about him.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a guy who I just always respected, Nicholas Lidstrom.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: Nicholas Lindstrom, yeah.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: He always seemed to win the um what's the what's the award?
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_01: Norse yeah, he always seemed to like I can't I don't even know how many times he won it, but seven times if you would have paid attention to my early part of my thing where I actually said that.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: Seven times, huh?
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: Seven times.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, so he's a good player, and uh thank God he couldn't get that puck past Mark Andre Flurry, or they would have been repeat Stanley Cup champions.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: So and I need to pay attention better.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: Steve just checked his email whenever I talk.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: I I I've always known this, but now it's verified.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: Moving on to teams who who may or may not be uh respected, uh the Cincinnati Reds.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: This one might not be another one that people disagree with uh me on, at least.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh believe it or not, there's another team that the Pirates lead the series over.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know why.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I know why, but I don't know how.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: I guess they beat them enough.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: So um they've played each other for like I I didn't I don't not sure, but it probably I would say the 18th century, but not the 18th century.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're playing in the French and Indian War, Steve.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: The 19th century, there's gonna be the 1800s.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I I you know I don't know if they were the Cincinnati Red Stockings or whatever they were back then, but um some moments that weren't so uh the great uh Doc Ellis.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: Does anybody remember Doc Ellis beating the first four batters in the lineup?
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: He just like went out there and was like, eh, I'm just gonna start beating people.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_01: Doc Doc was a wild one.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there was that also in 2019 that Reds pitcher like tried to fight the whole pirates team for some reason.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: I forget why he was ticked off.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the good times, uh the pirates beating them in the wild card, the infamous Quato game.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think we we did a whole uh podcast on that, if I remember correctly.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: And um why they are respected.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the Reds are just always really good in the 70s, and even that team that beat us in the 90s, like that team went wire to wire, and that team was really, really good.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I I don't know.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: I I I can't I know like sometimes they've had some jerk things, but like even like Barry Larkin was always kind of good, and Johnny Benshine, I don't know.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's just hard to really hate too much on the Cincinnati Reds.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: Can you find any hate with the Cincinnati Reds there, Tim?
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, I really can't.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_02: And like you said, um just kind of a uh a good history there as well, and um a lot of players, you know, you mentioned Barry Larkin.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_02: I I was thinking about that era of baseball when I just loved baseball so much, and I remember all all my favorite players were usually American League players.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like I like Griffe and Frank Thomas and and Ricky Henderson, like guys like that because they played in the American League and they didn't ever play against the Pirates.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_02: But Barry Larkin was one of the guys I just always really liked, even though um he played against the pirates all the time.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, and and even the guys like in recent years, uh yeah, just just a I don't know, just just a good team and hard to hate.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh who do you got next, Tim?
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'll go with Joe Montana.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: Go cool.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_02: Joe Montana?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, that's not a good thing.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, not him.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_02: We'll we'll say that for the most respected actors list.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, Joe Montana, uh, you know, all-time great quarterback, uh arguably the GOAT, although Tom Brady's kind of taken that title away from him in recent years.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: But but Montana, playing most of his career for the 49ers, didn't have a ton of games against the Steelers, but did have some pretty big games against them.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_02: Did did beat them in a playoff game when he played for the Kansas City Chiefs, where he he came from behind and converted like a clutch force downplay and then beat us in overtime.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: That was the infamous block punt.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, it was the block punt game.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_02: And the guy kicked the guy in the head, DJ uh DJ Johnson kicked the tight end in the head and he got thrown out.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we talked about that in our blunders episode.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, I again Joe Montana just one of my favorite players as a kid, especially in the 80s when the Steelers stunk.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: And when you're a kid, you you root for your home team, but then you latch onto other guys because your team stinks.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_02: And uh Joe Montana was just always one of those guys I really loved to watch, and just a great quarterback, and you know, not a guy that was um a guy that carried himself pretty well on and off the field.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: So Joe Montana, definitely a guy I I had a lot of respect for.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember him doing like pre-game stuff too.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like it wasn't like like in the 90s, like on NBC, he did like pre-game stuff.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_02: For for a while, he his personality was not really cut out to do TV.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because he so like like because I remember that was when like the um zone blitz was big, and he was like, oh like okay, everybody calm down, it's just another thing, and offenses will adjust to it.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_01: And like nobody wanted to hear, like, yeah, everybody wanted hyperbole.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody ever adjusted.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: The league should make a rule against it.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, whatever, you know.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: Just like Joe was just being a reasonable person, so and maybe that's why he's respected so much.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_02: So well, that was kind of his personality.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the the John Candy story, if if you're not familiar with that, they were playing the Bengals in Super Bowl 23.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: They had to go, I want to say, like, 90 yards to win the game.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_02: So they're like at their own 10-yard line, and they're in the huddle, and everybody's you know, nervous because this is the whole season on the line.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_02: And and Joe Montana goes, Hey, is that is that John Candy in the stands over there?
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's John Candy.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_02: And like the offensive linemen are like, Are you kidding?
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_02: Who cares?
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we have to like we're literally, you know, the whole season comes down to this one drive, and he's just like, Wow, there's a celebrity over there, you know.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_02: And that was kind of his personality, and that's why, like you said, Steve, he was kind of just like that on on TV as well, like, oh whatever.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he wasn't he wasn't a uh sound bite kind of guy, which is probably why he didn't last very long.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_02: He also had a very famous episode where of Saturday Night Live that he hosted, and I I won't repeat the famous line that he had because it's not safe for work, but um go look it up because it was just they got him to just say this like punch line of a skit that was just so unjoe Montana like.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so but yeah, I I just I'm a big Joe Montana fan.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_02: Nice, nice.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: Joe cool can't beat him.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: Ringold's old, who's Western Pennsylvania guys.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even think about that.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, good call.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: So all right.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um going back to football, the foosballs, um, that would be the Syracuse orange.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: And they're not orange men or orange women, they're just orange.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're being very gender neutral here.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_01: So those oranges sure like and um I just went with football, though.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: They have a pretty good rivalry against basketball.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't look up the basketball stats.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the all-time series, uh uh 42 and 32 in three ties.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's fun.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_01: So Pitt actually leads the all-time series.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_01: Once again, I'm not sure like how like Pitt Football and the Pirates lead the some of these all-time series, but hey, that that that that's going on.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_01: So uh the first time these teams met was in 1916, which is kind of insane.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Pitt won.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that that's wild.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's like World War I.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's over a hundred years.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_02: Fun fact, that was also the same year that they hired Jim Beheim to coach their basketball team.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_02: I think yeah.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, you, I'm fresh off the boat.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, actually, I don't think we were even in the war yet.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_01: Were we?
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um no.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think the United States was even in the war yet.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the last meeting was uh uh 22 and pit one 31 to 14.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um Pit and Syracuse, they uh about 77 times.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um they played every single season since 1955, so that's grandparents for most of us.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, really?
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_02: Is that they've played every single year since 1955?
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, I did not know that.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so like your grandparents were watching Syracuse and Pit play if they could, or listening to them on the radio, maybe, or not giving a crap because my parents didn't live in Pittsburgh, so um actually, you know, a fun fact.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um Kenny Pickett, the current uh first round pick of the Pittsburgh Steelers, has never lost a game against the Q's.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: So he won all three of his start.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: So uh what are you gonna do?
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the feud moments uh the whining by Jim Bay, the the aforementioned Jim Beheim about the refs during the golden years of pit basketball.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like I think we covered that too in the Pit Basketball podcast.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was like, oh, they're really good at fouling and playing physical.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like he tried to like make it like he was he wasn't complaining about the refs.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was like, oh, you know, if they're not gonna call that, that's really good defense by Pitt, you know, while like complaining about the officials.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_01: So um another not fun moment was losing in the carrier dome for like 30 years.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not sure if they ever have they blown that up yet, Tim.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: Probably not.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_01: Nope, not yet.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Troy Nunes.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: Do I need to say anything else besides the words Troy Noons?
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_01: Who's actually like a pretty decent guy?
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_01: He like, you know.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um the good uh beating Syracuse in overtime in 2018.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: That was pretty cool.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think I remember I was on I was down, I actually moved that game got delayed by rain, and I I moved down to like the the really good seats, and like they had a nice interception at the end.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Jamie Dixon, remember he owned Syracuse for years.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like they just beat Syracuse every year in basketball when Jamie Dixon was coaching.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember like we lost in the carrier dome in football for like 30 years, like from like 1980 to like 2000.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: And like Larry Fitzgerald and Roth Rutherford just like totally put that place to bed.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_01: They put 56 points on the orange in 2002.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of awesome.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um why they're respectful.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: I never thought their fans were complete jerks.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: Even Tim Benz, you know, it's always fun to call him like, oh, you're from Syracuse, but he's actually not that bad.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: Even though he's from Boston and Syracuse, it's double whammy.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um they're a longtime rivalry, but I never like they never reach like jerk level like West Virginia or like Penn State fans, so I'm not sure, but it's always fun to to play them, and it's all they're always a fun opponent.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_01: Anything that any quarrel with that one, Tim, do you just you can't stand Troy Noons so much?
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: Do you don't respect them at all?
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean Go back to Butler, Troy Nunes.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_02: No, and I have nothing against Troy Noons, I just that game was just the worst.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_02: But but yeah, no, they're they're they're a good program and uh one that again, like you said, it's it's funny that you can play your favorite team can play that other team so many times, but you really don't have any anything real negative to say about them in and in two sports, right?
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that I think that says a lot about the the university and the and the programs that they run.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, good pick.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh do you have anything left?
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have anybody left?
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's my list.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're fresh.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's the list.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're fresh out.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fresh out.
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