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- 0:13Sentinel injuries, and most of them were not reported, and no evaluation for
- 0:22abuse was done, no work done.
- 0:30As I said, these injuries or sentinel injuries are not minor.
- 0:33They are early warnings that can tell us to evaluate and to check for injuries
- 0:40or evaluate early in life.
- 0:44As clinicians, as providers, we
- 0:46face several barriers in recognizing and acknowledging sentinel injuries.
- 0:51So we might think that abuse of an infant is something that's unthinkable,
- 0:55that injuries are minor and they are trivial.
- 1:01It could be also lack of awareness of what does the bruising significance.
- 1:09And there's also bias. Families are perceived to be at low risk of harming their babies, their infants.
- 1:18And there's also the ABA bias. And we think that could be anything but abuse.
- 1:25I'm going to talk a little bit more about this. So what's ABA bias?
- 1:29It's a very uncommon bias.
- 1:32It's hard to understand how someone could hurt a young child.
- 1:40It's much easier to understand that accidents happen, and especially when a
- 1:46bruise is very small or the injury is very minor.
- 1:52Providers may also not want to report because they have a good relationship
- 1:56with the family or because they have a good feeling about the caregiver.
- 2:01Those are all reasons for this bias. And also sometimes because it's less work.
- 2:11So we're going to face our first case.
- 2:16So here we get a four-week-old presented to the PCP due to upper respiratory symptoms.
- 2:25Physical exam showed a subconjunctival hemorrhage.
- 2:31And the EMR was documented by the provider that the infant had the subconjunctial
- 2:41hemorrhage caused by the baby himself crying.
- 2:48So maybe the patient presented to the ED four weeks later due to blood also
- 2:56in their mouth, so four weeks after.
- 3:00And the physical exam showed a frenelum tear as well as a bruise under the top.
- 3:05So here we can see a very subtle subconjunctal hemorrhage on the medial part of the right eye.
- 3:18So this, at four weeks old, was a sentinel injury.
- 3:23And a baby this age could not have caused, or a kid could not have caused this injury to himself.
- 3:34So this, at four weeks old, just needed a complete workup to rule out child abuse or to the workup.
- 3:45And then the daily percentage four weeks later with a frontalum tear and also a bruise here,
- 3:56like we can see on the left side of the tongue.
- 4:02So in this time, we were consulted for the second time when he was eight weeks old.
- 4:08And we were doing a skeletal survey and a head CT and all the workup.
- 4:15The head CT was negative. The skeletal survey showed classic metafysel fractures
- 4:20on lower extremities, which are also fractures, highly specific for abuse.
- 4:25So this is a good example of a missed sentinel injuries at four weeks old,
- 4:35and then at eight weeks old, we have additional injuries.
- 4:46So we need to talk also what is not a sentinel injury.
- 4:49So some superficial abrasions or temporary redness to the skin in infants is not a sentinel injury.
- 4:57This may occur during normal care and handling of an infant.
- 5:02Examples of this can be infant scratches to the cheek with their nails,
- 5:08compression from an article of clothing or blood pressure cuff that results within hours.
- 5:17The term sentinel applies only to visible skin findings and does not include
- 5:26occult injuries, for example, rib fractures or any abdominal trauma.
- 5:31It may have happened, so you cannot, those skin findings are not visible physical
- 5:36exams, so those are not sentinel injuries.
- 5:39And then it's important to emphasize that it's not a sentinel injury,
- 5:46a cutaneous injury in an infant or a child who is already cruising or walking.
- 5:59I want to start talk about physical abuse.
- 6:07So when we start talking about physical abuse, to know which to differentiate
- 6:13between abusive from accidental bruises,
- 6:16so we need to start thinking about how children interact with the world.
- 6:23If you've seen children playing and during normal childhood play,
- 6:32how do they injure themselves?
- 6:33What part of their bodies come in contact with the world?
- 6:37And also very important, how do injuries change with mobility?
- 6:44And how do they usually fall? All of that. So, that's all questions that we
- 6:48need to take into consideration when evaluating bruises.
- 7:01We're going to start talking about areas that are common for accidental bruises.
- 7:07So, the forehead, nose, chin, elbows, the hips, which are areas that are in bony prominences.
- 7:17Also the knees and the shins.
- 7:26And we have also sort of a couple of examples of accidental bruises,
- 7:35so bruises on the lower extremities.
- 7:39Here we can see even a cluster of bruises, but due to the area where it's located,
- 7:44it's It's an area that's commonly injured in mullet children.
- 7:49Cabruces on the arms and also forearms and then also bruises on the elbows.
- 8:05There's other um examples of of
- 8:08bruises specifically this was a recent very recent case
- 8:11of mine this child was playing around with this child had maybe remember had
- 8:18like four or five siblings they were playing around and um the child felt forward
- 8:27while playing outside in the cord.
- 8:30The part that was also concerning and why they called us was because there was
- 8:35this bruise that also has an abrasion.
- 8:37And then there was this linear also abrasion on the nose, on the bridge of the
- 8:43nose. So this area is also very common.
- 8:46It's an area commonly injured by children while they're playing.
- 8:50And also here in the chin, this is also another area that it's very common for accidental bruises.
- 9:03Now we're going to talk about pen for face-to-speak. This is one of the most
- 9:08helpful tools when we evaluate bruising.
- 9:11This is a clinical decision rule or aid that is designed to identify bruising
- 9:18patterns that are more concerning for abuse, particularly in younger children.
- 9:24So the pen specifically means to torso, ears, and neck.
- 9:30These are locations that when accidental bruises is very uncommon especially in,
- 9:40young children the 4 refers to any bruising in any child less than 4 months old,
- 9:48at that age less than 4 around that age children are not mobile so the bruising
- 9:54is not expected and should raise concern,
- 9:58And then the expanded phases P includes additional areas or high-risk areas
- 10:05that are not commonly injured during an accident, like accidental bruising.
- 10:13So that will be the phrenolum, angle of the jaw, cheeks, the eyelids, and subconjunctivate.
- 10:20So the important part here to remember,
- 10:24or the key idea, is not that every bruise in this area is abused.
- 10:31So that's the first thing that we need to think.
- 10:34But that these findings should prompt a more careful examination and deconsideration
- 10:41of abuse and get more history,
- 10:44get more evaluation to evaluate, to see how that goes.
- 10:50Um.
- 10:59So areas of sorry we're going to talk about areas uh
- 11:02that are uh concerning for
- 11:06abusive uh injuries so the chest so that
- 11:09these are all um many of these areas are
- 11:12like the abdomen the buttocks the cheeks
- 11:15are fleshy areas that don't overlie bony prominences uh like the abdomen genitals
- 11:22buttocks the ears the ears are areas that are also protected on the side of
- 11:28the head They shouldn't be injured during accidental injuries.
- 11:35Any intraoral injury, the angle of the jaw, as I mentioned earlier, and the eye.
- 11:48So here there are examples of injuries that are concerning for abuse so there's our,
- 11:56bruises or this is this can be this should be
- 12:01described as a cluster of bruises different cluster of
- 12:04bruises on the chest and the
- 12:07abdomen these are areas that are that no
- 12:10bone is underneath underneath it so there's
- 12:13no bony prominences and they are and are areas
- 12:16that are also commonly protect the children put their
- 12:19hands or extend their hands to be
- 12:22able to protect their abdomen and chest and also here on this other pictures
- 12:29here this is a an infant and we can see there's multiple bruises and most of
- 12:36these bruises important part here is that they are patterned You can see that there's,
- 12:41these are curvilinear bruises,
- 12:47multiple curvilinear bruises around the back.
- 12:57These are other areas that are concerning for abuse.
- 13:00The ear, and see here in the ear, it can be impact to that area.
- 13:06That is not very common to happen on accidental injuries.
- 13:15It could also, it could also, the mechanism for ear bruise can be an impact
- 13:20to the area or also crushing forces.
- 13:22Any pinching to that area could also cause the bruises.
- 13:33And these are other pictures showing concerning bruises.
- 13:43So in all of these pictures, we need to also get a history and get the context of the picture.
- 13:52So, for example, this infant with a facial bruise,
- 13:59this could potentially happen during a motor vehicle accident or a high-velocity impact.
- 14:08But if there's no explanation for that, no history for that,
- 14:12for example, in this child, then and the rest of the work of,
- 14:17fagulopathy work of bleeding disorder work of is negative,
- 14:21then this injury would be concerning for abuse because there's no history explaining
- 14:25this bruised on a protected area like the face.
- 14:30Then here we also have this bruise on the abdomen.
- 14:34This is a small baby. this was also a recent case, baby two or three months
- 14:40old with this pattern linear bruise on the abdomen with no explanation and all the work of normal.
- 14:49So all of this, also these two bruises would be concerning for surgical abuse.
- 15:01These are other examples of other bruises, so on the cheek,
- 15:06and then here what I wanted to show here is another example of a bruise related
- 15:13to tenfold faces, so on the angle of the jaw, which also would be concerning.
- 15:25Also another picture of injuries concerning
- 15:28for abuse related to 10-4 phases this is another i like to show these pictures
- 15:34too because this is a very subtle subconjunctive hemorrhage that could be easily
- 15:40missed on a normal physical exam and also this same child had this,
- 15:48This is her right eye, and then on the upper eyelid, she had this bruise on her upper eyelid.
- 16:06And now additional pictures concerning for abuse, but these ones are pattern bruises.
- 16:14So we can see here all of these different pattern, loop-shaped pattern bruises.
- 16:25So in this picture, you can see that there's multiple pattern injuries,
- 16:29but just by having just one, that will be also just concerning for physical abuse.
- 16:35And then here we also see another pattern injury in the abdomen of another baby
- 16:42similar to the picture that we saw earlier.
- 16:54So now we're going to talk about mimics. When it looks like abuse, but it is not abuse.
- 17:02So most continuous mimics can be identified with history and physical exam.
- 17:09There was a study done around 3,000 children evaluated for physical abuse.
- 17:20And from all of them,
- 17:242.4% of them had cutaneous mimics, and 81% that had that 2.4% were diagnosed
- 17:34just by the history and the physical exam.
- 17:39Now, it's important when there's any consideration or any concern that this can be a mimic,
- 17:47the injuries, to consider additional diagnostic testing and then also referrals
- 17:53to specialists including dermatology,
- 17:55ID, and that might be helpful for patients.
- 18:00And to get to the bottom to see if it's a mimic or not.
- 18:05So we're going to talk today about skin
- 18:08conditions we're going to also talk about common
- 18:11bleeding disorders and also we're going to talk about other conditions like
- 18:18iotrianic bruises henna schlein purpura urticaria pigmentosa neuroblastoma garment
- 18:27lines and also stretch marks.
- 18:30I'll show pictures and how all of this and the skin conditions and the common
- 18:36brain disorders can mimic abuse.
- 18:44So, the first one, CDMs, or congenital dermal melanocytosis.
- 18:49So, it's very, it depends on the, it's more common in African American,
- 18:56then more common in Asians, and then Hispanic and Caucasian patients.
- 19:02As we all know, they usually fade during childhood, but it may persist into
- 19:07adulthood. hood, it's usually on the lumbosacral area, but we've seen on the
- 19:12upper back, shoulders, even on the feet.
- 19:18They are caused by their mole melanocyte deposition and the difference is they're
- 19:22benign, they're flat blue-gray color patches.
- 19:32We also see hemangiomas or benign vascular lesions that can appear red,
- 19:38purple, or bruise-like.
- 19:41They follow a predictable course, so they grow in infancy, and then they have a gradual involution.
- 19:48And the clues are that they have well-defined borders and the persistent and
- 19:54the evolution over time.
- 19:55So this one is a one that's more diffused, but specifically this example is right here.
- 20:07This one here might be also easily missed by a bruise, also because of the location.
- 20:14This is the ear. This will be the cheek. and here this is the lower extremity
- 20:23and this could also be missed for a bruise.
- 20:27We also have phytophotodermatitis. So this is a case of a 20-month-old with
- 20:35skin lesions noted the day after a barbecue at family picnic.
- 20:40Mom was preparing margaritas and the shot was playing nearby with family members
- 20:46and also there was prolonged sun exposure.
- 20:51So you can see here in this area the outline of mother's fingers.
- 20:57That's because she was holding her hand. Sorry, let's see, a boy.
- 21:04So phytophotodermatitis, also a phototoxic reaction from plant and exposure plus sunlight.
- 21:15The lesions are often irregular, often linear, streaked, and they have erythema
- 21:24and blistering, and later it can show hyperpigmentation.
- 21:30And the clues specifically for this findings is the exposure history to the
- 21:38sun and the distribution and also the reaction also with any citrus,
- 21:48as I said before, any oranges, grapefruit,
- 21:51or any other parsley, parsley, figs, carrots, all of these ones could cause the reaction.
- 22:05So, now we're going to talk about common bleeding disorders.
- 22:09So, ITP is a very common bleeding disorder that can be mistaken or can be misleading for abuse.
- 22:18There can be multiple bruises in different areas, often without clear trauma history.
- 22:23They may appear widespread. maybe they can be accompanied by petechiais and
- 22:30also mucosal bleeding and the pattern and the number of bruises may not correlate
- 22:39also with the history you can see bruises,
- 22:44similar to this one in ITP there's also bruises similar more severe like this one so it could also be,
- 22:56misleading for abuse.
- 23:03You also see with hemophilia, which there's bleeding after minimal or no trauma.
- 23:10It may involve the joints and look more severe because it includes joints,
- 23:17muscle, or any mucosal site.
- 23:21And the pattern of the injury may
- 23:25not match the reported mechanism or the reported history by the parents.
- 23:37We also see it a lot with mimics with von Wilbrand disease, which causes easy bruising,
- 23:49frequently with neocosal bleeding, epistaxis, gingival bleeding,
- 23:54and the bruises may be diffuse,
- 23:59multiple around the body, and also very recurrent, and can occur in locations
- 24:05that are not typically prone to accidental bruising, which that would raise concern for abuse.
- 24:12So in this picture, as we can see, all of this diffuse bruising on the back. This is an older child.
- 24:19If there's no actual history to explain this bruising, someone can see this
- 24:24bruise and and be concerned because of the extent of the bruise on the back.
- 24:35Other, now we're going to talk about other conditions that can be mimics of bruises.
- 24:47We're going to talk about iatrogenic bruises. So these are very common bruises in young children.
- 24:54Bruises caused by any medical intervention. Children that are difficult,
- 24:59that have the difficult access or frequent hospitalization, chronic illness or ICU things.
- 25:05They may appear hours after procedures and can look more extensive than expected.
- 25:13And the important part that we always try to say to the medical team,
- 25:19so to document the procedure, the timing, and if there's any injuries documented on the medical record,
- 25:26if there's anything happening with the IV placement or blood draws,
- 25:31that should always be documented.
- 25:33These are examples of some bruises done are for blood pressure cuffs or here
- 25:44by blood rust, this area,
- 25:48or also blood rust on this area.
- 25:55We have hematoline purpura, which are bruised like purpura or ecchymosis,
- 26:01often sound symmetrically on lower extremities.
- 26:04The lesions can appear like ecchymosis and purpura, and they also may be accompanied
- 26:11by abdominal pain or joint pain.
- 26:15And the important part is the distribution, the symmetry that could kind of
- 26:20help us distinguish from abusive bruises.
- 26:25Also, if there's any additional symptoms, any systemic symptoms,
- 26:28that also can help with differentiating.
- 26:36These are other pictures of Henosho and Purpuruk, but also mimic bruises on
- 26:45the lower extremities. These are infants.
- 26:54And then there's also Urticaria pigmentosa, which is our tan round macules,
- 27:01papules, that can appear bruised-like.
- 27:04They are caused by mast cell accumulation on the skin.
- 27:08And also here it's important, that's why it's important to have the history
- 27:12and the physical exam because these lesions articulate with rubbing and they can be persistent.
- 27:18There's a lot of lesions around the body and they, so that will be an important
- 27:28differentiation from an abusive bruise.
- 27:38Another mimic would be neuroblastoma. So this can be, this can show bruised
- 27:45like, or bluish bruised like lesions around the periorbital area without any history of trauma.
- 27:50So that will be the part that will be concerning, that there will be no history
- 27:53to explain these findings.
- 27:56They may appear like ecchymosis under the eyes or around the eyes.
- 28:03But the important part here is that they can be systemic symptoms,
- 28:06so they can, there's going to be an abdominal mass, weight loss,
- 28:10irritability, other symptoms that could tell us.
- 28:14And these are unexplained, persistent lesions.
- 28:19So that's why we should consider other causes besides trauma or abuse.
- 28:29There's another interesting one, garments band lines. So these are linear skin
- 28:35marks caused by pressure or friction from tight clothing.
- 28:39So it can be elastic, waistbands.
- 28:41We've seen it with socks. We've seen it with diapers.
- 28:47They appear as very well-defined. I'm going to show you pictures now on the next slide.
- 28:52Appear well-defined, often symmetric lines, often also circumferential that
- 28:59may resemble pattern injuries.
- 29:02Typically located where clothing applies consistent pressure,
- 29:07like the waist or the thigh or the ankle or lower extremities.
- 29:14And the key features include sharp borders, symmetry, and then obviously now
- 29:22the correlation with the skin, or that's the important part of the history.
- 29:34Garment. So now here, these are pictures of the garment pant line.
- 29:41So here is like the lower extremity, also here lower extremity.
- 29:46This one, it's another one. And all of this one were caused by clothing,
- 29:54clothing that was applying pressure.
- 29:57So you can see that they can also easily be mistaken for bruises.
- 30:04Thank you.
- 30:10And then we have stretch marks uh so this could also be uh,
- 30:16misleading for for abuse so these are linear hyperpigmented
- 30:20or hypopigmented lines that also may resemble bruises or scars um they're often
- 30:27linked to rapid growth obesity or uh pregnancy changes in in weight or um steroid
- 30:35use um they're common in the abdomen the size, buttocks,
- 30:40and like this, the specific findings on the back.
- 30:46And they have chronic appearance, and that's when also the history may help
- 30:52distinguish between an acute injury, abuse, or dysmimic.
- 31:03So what do you hear? That's why I've been stressing the part of the history.
- 31:11So when we see all of these injuries, it's important to ask if there's a clear explanation.
- 31:17The important part is here, it's clear.
- 31:20Was the event witnessed by any caregiver or anyone?
- 31:25And important also is the child's verbal, to ask the child always what happened.
- 31:32Does the history fit the child's developmental abilities?
- 31:38Does the explanation match the injury pattern and the location where the injury is?
- 31:44Is there any family history of bleeding, easy bruising, or that's why work can be done?
- 31:54And then also, are there any systemic symptoms that suggest that there's any
- 32:00other medical cause, any underlying medical cause that could have been causing this injury?
- 32:08So these are all questions that we should consider.
- 32:17So we have here case number two. So this is a three-month-old that was brought
- 32:23in to the ED for this marks that we can see here on the lower extremities,
- 32:29on the back of the lower extremities, and on the right arched chest.
- 32:39Caregivers noticed the bruises or the discoloration while changing clothes and
- 32:45they denied any trauma falls or any injuries.
- 32:47They didn't have any history to explain.
- 32:51They also reported that the child had increased fuzziness over the past day,
- 32:57was feeling well, no vomiting, no fever, but was more fuzzy.
- 33:03And then important questions that were asked during the history taking was a
- 33:08development. And then the child is non-mobile.
- 33:12He's not yet rolling. And it's cared for at home by mother and maternal grandparents.
- 33:19So the child doesn't go to daycare.
- 33:23There have been no recent procedures,
- 33:25no accidental events, and no family history of bleeding disorders.
- 33:29So our question in this case would be, what are the next steps?
- 33:34So, in this specific case, we have a three-month-old infant who is non-mobile,
- 33:42and then on, so we have the history with no history,
- 33:46the development, and then when we go to the physical exam,
- 33:51if we start with the auto on the top,
- 33:55we have pattern injuries on the lower extremities, multiple pattern injuries,
- 34:03and also the important part in this case is the location of the bruise.
- 34:11Also here in this area, you see multiple linear abrasions, but also the concerning
- 34:18part here would be the location of the injury.
- 34:24So what are the next steps in this shell? This child should.
- 34:30Due to the age, should get a skeletal survey, should get a head CT to evaluate,
- 34:34and then also should get a complete bleeding workout.
- 34:45So this is the AAP, the recommended approach that AAP provides to evaluate bruising
- 34:57when there is concern for possible abuse.
- 34:59And this specifically guides when to consider a bleeding disorder workout.
- 35:07So if we see on the top,
- 35:11the first part is to determine whether these findings are clearly explained
- 35:16by abusive trauma or if they're a well-documented accidental mechanism.
- 35:23If there are features that are highly concerning, such as pattern bruising,
- 35:29as we talked earlier, or bruising in locations like the ears,
- 35:33necks, or the genital area.
- 35:37Then a bleeding disorder is not necessary if these findings are not explained
- 35:42by an underlying agulopathy.
- 35:46However, on the other side, if there is no explanation,
- 35:50particularly in a non-mobile child or when bruising is in concerning locations,
- 35:56then a hematologic or a consult to a pediatric hematologist should be done.
- 36:06A hematologist should be considered.
- 36:16So when to do additional workup. So skeletal surveys are recommended in all
- 36:22children less than two years old when there's concern for physical abuse,
- 36:27specifically the highest yield would be when children are less than 12 months old.
- 36:33Also in any non-mobile infant with bruises,
- 36:40any infant with unexplained or suspicious fractures or injury or inconsistent
- 36:46or absent or changing history.
- 36:49And also any high-risk situation. This would mean any sibling or household contact of any abused child.
- 36:57So that's called sibling risk assessment. So when there's any concern for any child,
- 37:05we evaluate any child that is living in the same household that is less than
- 37:13two years old. So that's part of the evaluation.
- 37:17And then head CTs should be done in infants less than six months old with concerns for physical abuse.
- 37:25There's a low threshold even when they're asymptomatic.
- 37:34Any infant less than six months old with neurologic symptoms,
- 37:39any vomiting, seizures, alter mental status.
- 37:42And then any infants with any high-risk findings concerning bruising patterns, any pattern injuries,
- 37:50or any bruises in locations that are not commonly injured in accidental injuries.
- 38:03So the takeaway points, early recognition matters.
- 38:09Sentinel injuries are subtle, and cell findings may be the first opportunity
- 38:15to identify and prevent further or more severe harm in the future.
- 38:21Injury interpretation or to
- 38:23interpret the injury requires careful correlation with the exam findings.
- 38:30That's very important to do the physical exam and also ask the child's development
- 38:35and the reported mechanism by the caregivers.
- 38:40Most cutaneous mimics can be identified through a thorough history and physical exam.
- 38:47And important to stay objective and vigilant and balance bias with maintaining
- 38:54a high index of suspicion to ensure the safety of our patients.
- 39:02And also very, very important that when in doubt, you can always seek support.
- 39:09Here at the Center for Miracles, we are always available for consultation.
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- 39:45Let me switch here. Any questions?
- 39:52Thank you so much, Dr. Reyes-Ruiz, for that excellent presentation.
- 39:56We do have a question in the chat box from Dr. Francis.
- 40:00Is coining a form of abuse or just an acceptable cultural event?
- 40:05So I was, that's something that I was going to, I thought about a lot to add
- 40:12on this presentation and didn't add the cultural.
- 40:15So that's a really difficult question to respond.
- 40:20During these cases, we need to take in consideration the cultural practices.
- 40:28And so that will be something that you should discuss with the family,
- 40:32take into consideration with the family.
- 40:33And also when parents move here, they follow their cultures,
- 40:40but they should also follow here the rules as well.
- 40:43Loss here in the US. It's something that you should discuss with the families.
- 40:48And also, if it becomes a pattern, then it also gets,
- 40:52if you inform the family and tell them about the negative consequences and anything
- 40:58that could happen, and then it also becomes a pattern, then that could also raise more concern.
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