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We're All Lucky · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: bizarre and fantastic new age.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Malcolm McDowell. You're listening to Movie Meltdown. So
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  Speaker 5: It's showtime, folks. Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 6: Our nuclear reactor, pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 7: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 8: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 9: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 10: I'm Beau.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm Fred.
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  Speaker 8: And we are coming to you live via digital recording from,
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  Speaker 8: what did we name this place, Fred? I'm sure we
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  Speaker 8: came up with a ridiculous name long ago for your studio.
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  Speaker 8: Didn't we?
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  Speaker 6: My studio.
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  Speaker 8: Do you not have a name for your studio?
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  Speaker 7: I feel like we did. I think we came up
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  Speaker 7: with a name the day we did that group shot
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  Speaker 7: in front of the green screen.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. I remember that.
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  Speaker 8: So what do you normally refer to as your studio?
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  Speaker 6: Lately, this isn't my studio, y'all. My studio is a
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  Speaker 6: disaster area.
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  Speaker 8: We can't survive in my studio.
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  Speaker 6: This whole enclosure.
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  Speaker 8: This giant series of studios.
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  Speaker 6: Lately, I've been thinking of it as the empty nest.
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  Speaker 8: Empty nest studios. That sounds pretty good, actually. I think
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  Speaker 8: you should quick get an incorporation on that.
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  Speaker 7: We're here in the empty nest. That has a ring
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  Speaker 7: to it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Coming to you live, it is your recording from Empty
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  Speaker 8: Nest Studios. Right here in sunny, oh wait, no, it's
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  Speaker 8: 19 degrees or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 11: The sun's still out.
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  Speaker 8: Sun exists.
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  Speaker 5: Sun exists.
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  Speaker 8: We're not getting any youth out of it really these days,
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  Speaker 8: but it's there.
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  Speaker 7: In its most minimal form.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like y'all are veiled talking about me using
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  Speaker 6: the sun.
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  Speaker 8: He's onto us.
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  Speaker 6: I'm still here, but not really doing anything.
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  Speaker 7: Fred has about five billion more years until he consumes
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  Speaker 7: the Earth.
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  Speaker 2: And then, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: You'll collapse upon yourself and expand and many science-y things
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  Speaker 8: will take place.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so anyway, we're here.
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  Speaker 8: That's the thing. It's been a while. So usually we'll
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  Speaker 8: do some sort of, hey, how's it going? What have
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  Speaker 8: you been up to? You guys have a long... area
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  Speaker 8: to pull from so yeah have you seen any movies
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  Speaker 8: in the last you know 48 weeks or whatever it's
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  Speaker 8: been it's it's been a while so done anything interesting.
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  Speaker 6: I've binged on movies lately yeah i went out and
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  Speaker 6: saw movies in theaters in the theater.
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  Speaker 12: In a long time is that because you acquired a
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  Speaker 12: movie pass.
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  Speaker 8: No is it because you unloaded those damn.
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  Speaker 6: Kids no it's They do that. My kids go out
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  Speaker 6: to the movies. You should go see this. And it's like,
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  Speaker 6: I don't go to movie theaters. But I just wanted
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  Speaker 6: to see the movies. I wanted to see Lady Bird.
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to see the Florida Project. And so I
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  Speaker 6: went to one, and they were doing the other. And
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  Speaker 6: it's like, well, let's go again tomorrow. So my sweetie
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  Speaker 6: and I went out and saw those movies, which are
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  Speaker 6: kind of my thing. sort of thing. I've had this
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  Speaker 6: feeling for a long time. I've been interested in, like,
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  Speaker 6: movies should be more like American short stories. Like, they
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  Speaker 6: should be shorter, tighter. Thank you. And it seems like
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  Speaker 6: that's kind of happening. And I was also watching that
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  Speaker 6: Netflix series Easy, which, very short story. It's Mumblecore, Joe Swanberg,
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  Speaker 6: and I like that stuff. It's almost like too much
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  Speaker 6: my kind of thing for me.
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  Speaker 8: That's bad when you overdo it on yourself.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it is a little bit. Like, they're very life-size, very,
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  Speaker 6: you know, observational, believable. But every now and then I
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  Speaker 6: feel like if there could be something a little bit
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  Speaker 6: more poetic, metaphorical, or some element of, like, not lifeline.
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  Speaker 8: Something a little more grand? Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think I've ever heard anyone describe a movie
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  Speaker 7: like that. Like, that was too up my alley.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I like this too much.
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  Speaker 6: Damn it. Well, I mean, like Lady Bird, it's really
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  Speaker 6: exciting to me that, like, this movie is getting a
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  Speaker 6: lot of attention and it's news. Because, in a way,
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  Speaker 6: it's a very straight, conventional movie. But it seems like
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  Speaker 6: a lot of movies have got away from that and
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  Speaker 6: into fantasy movies. to a level where that movie like
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  Speaker 6: kind of stands out.
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  Speaker 8: There's just, there's no in between now.
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  Speaker 11: Like you get weird.
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  Speaker 8: Little indie movies still and you get giant tent poles,
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  Speaker 8: but like that middle of the road studio picture is
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  Speaker 8: kind of gone now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Every once in a while they throw a few out
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  Speaker 8: just because they know it'll get Oscar nominations, but the
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  Speaker 8: whole market's kind of changed now.
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  Speaker 6: It's Lady Bird. I think it's a really good movie,
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  Speaker 6: but it is really that kind of, it's, It's sort
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  Speaker 6: of the first short story everybody writes. It's kind of
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  Speaker 6: about them growing up. It's semi-autobiographical. Then a dog wanders
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  Speaker 6: into the room. And it's really well done, but I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it's the story that most people, when they start writing fiction,
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  Speaker 6: they kind of write their formative experiences in As a
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  Speaker 6: young adult.
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  Speaker 8: In general, I think you get that a lot. I
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  Speaker 8: feel like we tell a lot of these same stories,
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  Speaker 8: and it's different people putting their own spin on it,
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  Speaker 8: but sometimes they don't stray too far away from that idea.
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  Speaker 6: I think, though, Greta Gerwig has a good sense of
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  Speaker 6: her own adorableness. Like a healthy sense of it. Like
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  Speaker 6: she knows when to back off.
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  Speaker 8: I was going to say, does she fall into that category? Like,
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  Speaker 8: I'm just too adorable for me today. Like, this is
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  Speaker 8: just too much.
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  Speaker 6: If I were her, I would be too adorable for me.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what her level of tolerance is.
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  Speaker 8: She readjusts things.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but that actress, Saoirse.
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  Speaker 8: Saoirse Ronan.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. She's just so sympathetic. Because after that, we wound
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  Speaker 6: up seeing Brooklyn again. And she was in Brooklyn. And
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  Speaker 6: she was just.
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  Speaker 8: You know, I always thought she was amazing and she's
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  Speaker 8: turned up in other things that aren't that level. So
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  Speaker 8: it's funny that she kind of quickly for still being
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  Speaker 8: as young as she is, is kind of becoming prestige material.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So that's, that's some of what I've been doing, watching
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  Speaker 6: that stuff.
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  Speaker 13: I did think that movie was kind of different because
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  Speaker 13: there was sort of a genre twist that happened that
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  Speaker 13: I wasn't really conscious of until the airport sequence, the
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  Speaker 13: rush to the airport, like that classic will they or
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  Speaker 13: won't they romantic comedy trope.
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  Speaker 12: And then I was like, oh my gosh, this is
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  Speaker 12: a romantic comedy about a woman and her mom. Will
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  Speaker 12: they or won't they get it together?
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  Speaker 8: And I really liked that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: That's all.
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  Speaker 8: I recently watched, well, wait, I have to put the
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  Speaker 8: punctuation on there.
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  Speaker 6: Mother!
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  Speaker 8: Oh, I can talk about this movie for days. That's
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  Speaker 8: what I was going to say. I was like, In
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  Speaker 8: this group, do we need to just go ahead and
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  Speaker 8: reserve a time? Because I feel like that has more
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  Speaker 8: to discuss than most movies put together.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, let me in on that one if we don't
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  Speaker 12: do it right now.
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  Speaker 13: Although I also feel like we could do it in
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  Speaker 13: five minutes because it's really about what a bastard Aronofsky is.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, didn't any of those other
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  Speaker 8: movies teach us that?
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, you know.
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  Speaker 13: But there's... it's a weird, but this is how unaware
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  Speaker 13: he is that he's a bastard because he made a
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  Speaker 13: movie about what a bastard he is. And then he
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  Speaker 13: was like, Oh no, it's about mother nature. And like
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  Speaker 13: our assault on the planet. I was like, no, it's not.
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  Speaker 13: It's about what a nightmare you are to date.
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  Speaker 12: We all see that.
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  Speaker 6: That's hilarious.
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  Speaker 8: It's yeah. It's, and it's one of those, I don't
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  Speaker 8: understand how it got made really, except it's got his
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  Speaker 8: name attached and he signed an A-lister and all of
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  Speaker 8: a sudden it fell into place. But I'm like watching it.
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  Speaker 8: I'm like, even in the first half, I'm like, Somebody
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  Speaker 8: greenlit this? And then you get to that second half.
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  Speaker 8: I'm just like, how the hell did you convince a
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  Speaker 8: studio to let you do this? I mean, I could
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  Speaker 8: see somebody making a version of that concept, but on
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  Speaker 8: a much lower budget. So the fact that he puts
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  Speaker 8: it together at that level, it's impressive. I'm no surprise
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  Speaker 8: that audiences kind of responded the way they did.
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  Speaker 12: I wonder if he'll ever get to do that again.
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  Speaker 8: Don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: It did actually make money even though everybody thought.
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  Speaker 8: It was awful. He duped people that first weekend. He
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  Speaker 8: was just like, hey, I know her. Let's go see this.
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  Speaker 8: And I think it was just, again i don't know
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  Speaker 8: if they purposely did this i think the marketing went
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  Speaker 8: out because it's so weird to try to represent it
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  Speaker 8: right i had someone specifically ask if i'd seen it
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  Speaker 8: because they were wanting to see a horror movie.
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  Speaker 12: Right they've made it look like i'm.
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  Speaker 8: Like no you're i'm like i know your taste you
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  Speaker 8: are not going to like this movie. I will tell
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  Speaker 8: you now, you are not going to like this movie. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: I think that it may be, again, the director never
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  Speaker 8: has anything to do with cutting that, so maybe the
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  Speaker 8: studio went, oh, nobody's going to see this. What are
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  Speaker 8: we going to do? Yeah, so it might have been
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  Speaker 8: a very strategic plan to be like, the only numbers
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  Speaker 8: that matter are opening weekend anyway, so let's make this
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  Speaker 8: work in our favor.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: That was certainly interesting.
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  Speaker 7: I've just been sitting here trying to remember the last
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  Speaker 7: movie I saw in theaters.
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  Speaker 13: Really?
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  Speaker 7: It's been a while.
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  Speaker 12: I saw one last night.
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  Speaker 7: After I broke up with the movie theater, I just
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  Speaker 7: broke up with movie theaters in general. I see a
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  Speaker 7: ton of movies at home, but in the way of
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  Speaker 7: going out to theaters, it's maybe a couple times per year.
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  Speaker 7: So that's where I'm lost trying to remember. When was
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  Speaker 7: the last time I was at a movie theater?
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 7: As opposed to just going through I'll see pretty much
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  Speaker 7: everything that comes out, but just once it gets onto DVD.
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  Speaker 8: Was that a shock to the system for someone who
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  Speaker 8: spent night and day in a movie theater for years
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  Speaker 8: on end there?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I guess so.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, it's definitely a different experience.
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  Speaker 11: Oh, very much so.
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  Speaker 7: Because, I mean, the one thing that home cinema can't
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  Speaker 7: recreate is like, you know, the whole communal thing.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: But then, you know, there's so much little nitpicky stuff
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  Speaker 7: that would, drive me up the wall when i go
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  Speaker 7: to theaters because it's like either the the presentation is
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  Speaker 7: not where it should be or just you'll see people
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  Speaker 7: idly like doing quick text i'm like all that stuff
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  Speaker 7: just it drives me up the wall so i was in.
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  Speaker 6: A movie theater once and they had the aspect ratio set.
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  Speaker 12: Wrong yeah and it was maddening it was.
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  Speaker 6: A movie about like a little dwarf version of uh
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  Speaker 6: I forget who he was, but he was teaching ballroom
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  Speaker 6: dance to dwarf inner-city kids.
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  Speaker 8: Is this Gary Oldman? He likes to be a dwarf.
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  Speaker 8: It might be Gary Oldman.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't Antonio Banderas, was it? It was somebody.
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  Speaker 8: Anyway. Was this a dwarf film?
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  Speaker 6: He was a giant. And nobody was saying anything. We
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  Speaker 6: all just sat there watching this for the longest time.
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  Speaker 6: And eventually I said, I've got to go fix this.
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  Speaker 6: And my daughter, who's like, I'm always embarrassing her in
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  Speaker 6: public by making a scene.
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  Speaker 8: And she's like, no, dad, don't.
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  Speaker 7: That's a big thing, though. I wouldn't get past previews
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  Speaker 7: with that.
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  Speaker 8: Legit.
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  Speaker 11: I'd just be.
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  Speaker 9: Like, nope.
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  Speaker 6: And everybody was just sitting there like, okay.
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  Speaker 11: This is happening.
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  Speaker 7: I think a lot of people just don't notice the difference.
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  Speaker 7: It's the same as like.
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  Speaker 7: My old Blu-ray player died and it still had the
• 13:08
  Speaker 7: RCA cables. And so any new ones now, they're just HDMI.
• 13:13
  Speaker 7: But my TV doesn't have HDMI. So I was in
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  Speaker 7: that conundrum. So when I was talking to the people
• 13:18
  Speaker 7: at Best Buy, I said, well, they don't have converter boxes.
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  Speaker 7: And so they're like, you just need to get a
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  Speaker 7: new TV.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, they'll be like, let me walk you over to
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  Speaker 8: the TV.
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  Speaker 7: Well, and then I walked over to the TV and
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  Speaker 7: I said, I'll buy one of these new TVs. If
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  Speaker 7: you can tell me how to fix... The frame rate.
• 13:35
  Speaker 7: And he's like, what do you mean? And they were
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  Speaker 7: playing Return of the King. I said, right now this
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  Speaker 7: is playing on the wrong frame rate. And the guy
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  Speaker 7: just looks at me like I'm talking crazy. He's like, no,
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  Speaker 7: this is HD. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 7: It was shot in 24 frames per second. But this thing,
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  Speaker 7: the TV is doing something to where it's extrapolating. It's
• 13:56
  Speaker 7: either running at 40 frames per second or 60, and
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  Speaker 7: it being a smart TV... It's filling in those gaps,
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  Speaker 7: but it's creating this unnatural look. And the guy's just like.
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  Speaker 7: And he goes and he gets someone else. And I
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  Speaker 7: ended up having three different salespeople. I'm like, I'll buy
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  Speaker 7: this TV if you can tell me how to change
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  Speaker 7: that setting.
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  Speaker 6: And no one could.
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  Speaker 8: You kind of put the smack down. Don't make me
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  Speaker 8: get technical.
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  Speaker 7: Pretty much any time I see an older film playing on,
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  Speaker 7: whether I'm in a bar or some other setting, I
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  Speaker 7: look up and I'm just like, oh, God.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 7: It's the same as when people talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 7: they can't read if they're riding in a car. I
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  Speaker 7: can do that fine, but, like, I can't watch, like,
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  Speaker 7: a movie that's playing in the wrong frame rate on
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  Speaker 7: these TVs. It's worse than aspect ratio issues. And now
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  Speaker 7: suddenly I realize that's, like, the most nitpicky movie geek complaint.
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  Speaker 8: No, that's legit. Not to the right audience.
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  Speaker 7: It's the way that it was meant to be seen,
• 14:49
  Speaker 7: and it's just, you know.
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  Speaker 8: Well, that's... I mean, there are a million settings on
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  Speaker 8: both the TV and the players now, so it does
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  Speaker 8: seem like that should be in there, right? Like, maybe
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  Speaker 8: just nowhere knows... Nobody knows where to.
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  Speaker 6: Find it, but.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it seems like somewhere.
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  Speaker 7: But in the way of having seen stuff recently, I'm trying...
• 15:08
  Speaker 7: I'm going to blank on the director's name, but a
• 15:12
  Speaker 7: friend gifted me Judex for Christmas and was... I found
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  Speaker 7: it thoroughly enjoyable. It reminded me a lot of... beauty
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  Speaker 7: and the beast and orpheus i'm what is the director's
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: name the french director who did those uh it's not
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: by him but it's very reminiscent of his work and
• 15:36
  Speaker 7: you know it's the film's very dreamlike and essentially it
• 15:40
  Speaker 7: is a 1960s homage to a 1916 serial about um
• 15:49
  Speaker 7: essentially almost like a Robin hood within French aristocracy. And
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  Speaker 7: the film's just filled with gorgeous imagery and just superb
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  Speaker 7: black and white cinematography. I mean, I was just, I
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  Speaker 7: could have put it on mute and have enjoyed it. Uh,
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  Speaker 7: there's just great sequence that takes place within it to
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  Speaker 7: where they're doing a masquerade ball. And so, um, There
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  Speaker 7: is a magician who's performing there, but when it opens
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: up for the scene, you just see this man standing
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  Speaker 7: in a tuxedo with like this incredibly ornate bird's head,
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  Speaker 7: like actual feathers. And he looks and he sees this
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  Speaker 7: pigeon that's just curled up dead on the window ledge.
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  Speaker 7: And so he just picks it up and he's carrying
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  Speaker 7: it open palm through this masquerade ball, like this long
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  Speaker 7: tracking shot. And all these people are just staring at
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  Speaker 7: it quizzically from behind their odd masks and And then
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  Speaker 7: finally he walks up to a woman who happens to
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: be wearing a pigeon mask and puts it in her hand.
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  Speaker 7: And all of a sudden this dead pigeon just comes
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  Speaker 7: to life and flies off and everyone applauds.
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  Speaker 8: This is astounding.
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  Speaker 7: I love this.
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  Speaker 11: So, I mean, and that's early on.
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  Speaker 7: I got completely hooked by it because it's filled with
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  Speaker 7: just sequences like that to where it's less about story
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  Speaker 7: and it's more about substance.
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  Speaker 8: Giant bird head on a guy. You sure this wasn't
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: Blood Freak?
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: That's a classic, too.
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: But, yeah, I mean, I've watched a lot of... Oddly enough,
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: I had a friend just give me... I've been burning
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: through all my Christmas gifts. And another friend gifted me
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: box trolls, which I thought was actually like a gag.
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: Until I started watching, I'm like, This is really bizarre
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: humor for what would be marketed as a kids movie.
• 17:40
  Speaker 8: Well, it's that same director, right?
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: It's... The same fellow who did like... What is the
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: other one? Paranorman?
• 17:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Paranorman. That whole series, which.
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: I know it's not Henry Selick.
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: No, but it's the other... Yeah, it's that other... The
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: alternate group, because he was doing... What was the other
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: one with the... What was the other one he did
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: that was.
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: I can't remember now, but I mean, I just thought
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: it was hilarious. You have this opening sequence to where
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: the exterminator comes into town and the lord of this
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: town is talking to him about potentially getting rid of
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: all the box trolls.
• 18:18
  Speaker 11: It's already just established.
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: You just roll with it or you don't. And when
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: this lord is talking to him, he's just like, I'll
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: give you anything you want. And the exterminator's like, I
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: want a white hat.
• 18:31
  Speaker 11: And the fellow was wearing a white hat.
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: And he's like, no, no, no, I'll do anything but
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: not the white hat. And he's like, no, it's got
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: to be a white hat or else. And he's wearing
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: a red hat. And it's all about, like, all the
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: characters in this movie are motivated to get just a
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: white hat. Like, it is so weird that it just
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: was cracking me up. And all the white hat society,
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: anyone who has a white hat, they get to go
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: into the cheese tasting room.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:59
  Speaker 11: And you have like... I saw that coming.
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 11: But like, you know... Obviously.
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: There are some people that end up like... There's a
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: couple characters that end up like... Even though they weren't
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: officially awarded a red hat. I mean, I'm sorry, a
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: white hat. They go in and they taste some of
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: the cheese and have allergic reactions. Like apparently part of
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: it is like you have a refined palate. And that's
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: how you earn it. And you can only taste certain
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: cheeses correctly. Like it's... I didn't even care about the
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: box trolls.
• 19:24
  Speaker 11: Like this weird.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: hierarchy of society based on the color hat you wear
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: like i was i was incredibly.
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: Midway in i was kind of like mixing those last
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: i was like wait is he still in the first
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: movie because that sounds equally as artsy as the first
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: movie yeah so it's weird that you were talking about
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: box trolls so now i also need to add this to.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: My like wait box trolls is something where i never
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: would have even thought to like yeah i'll give that
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: a watch until someone just put in my hands and
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: said here you need to and i found it incredibly
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: entertaining i never would have thought that it was so
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: but you know sometimes you Kids' movies can really surprise
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: you if they're real slick in their humor.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: I've heard that a couple of times now. Again, I
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: think it was mismarketing. I think people just lumped it in.
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: Every other weekend, a new dumb kids' movie comes out.
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: So I think they just kind of threw it in there.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: I miss watching kids' movies. It's fun.
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: For the better ones, yes.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there were some good ones in that period of
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: time when I was watching them.
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: Because that's one of the few... Genres that will always
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: make money.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: Regardless, people keep taking their.
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: Kids to movies.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: If it was really driven by money, they mostly make
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: G-rated movies.
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: I think PG-13 is the one that makes, that's the
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: big cash cow. Because you've got teenagers with disposable income
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: that can't see R-rated films yet.
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: And adults and parents that drag kids that probably shouldn't
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: be there to it. It's enough of a crossover to cash.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: In on everybody.
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: But it was the best stop-motion film I'd seen since
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: Kubo and the Two Strings.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the other one I saw in a theater was
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: the Florida Project, and that was the guy who did
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: the iPhone movie. Tangerine. Tangerine, yeah. And it was a
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: similar kind of thing, short story-like. It's my favorite Willem
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: Dafoe part ever.
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: Think he's got more not official actors in this too
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: right because that was the bulk of.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: Tangerine i'm curious about how people get performances out of
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: non-actors like that i i'm really there's got to be
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: a way they get people to settle in and be
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: unselfconscious and like the kid actors were just freaking amazing
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: and some of the scenes were just beautiful little vignettes
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: like They're out in a field and it's pouring rain.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: And the one kid says, why did you take me
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: on this adventure? And the other one says, I didn't
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: know it was going to rain. And the other one says,
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: don't you ever watch the news? And the girl says,
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: I never watch the news. It's so boring. And then
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: the moment passes. It's pouring rain. The other kid says,
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: I watch the news sometimes. It's not that boring. I
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: want to watch the movie just for that scene. It
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: was one of the best. Yeah, I don't know. I
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: don't know how they do it. And then Willem Dafoe,
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: like the story of him and his son is sort
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: of hidden in it. And it's just so good. Yeah,
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Some of the movie, I feel like
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: you can see what they're trying to do. And they're
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: doing a very good job. But that's not quite what
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: you'd like to have happen. You're not lost in the
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: dream of it. You're like, they're doing really well. But
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: it's like, you know, after sex, you don't want, like,
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: good job. It's like, no, that's not what you're, you know.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: It was good, though. I liked it. And I like
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: that kind of a movie. It could have been shorter.
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: What did you think of the lead, the mother?
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: I thought she was pretty amazing.
• 23:16
  Speaker 12: She's fantastic.
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: I thought she was incredible.
• 23:20
  Speaker 12: Do you know how he found her?
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: I have no idea.
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: Instagram.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God. Truly.
• 23:25
  Speaker 13: He was just looking for somebody that sort of looked
• 23:27
  Speaker 13: the part that was also fearless.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: She looked the part and she like had this dignity
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: in anything she did that was like, wow, this, you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: because that kind of movie could go awry. But she
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: was like, she was always on her own side and
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: she was always on her kid's side. yeah she was
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: amazing that's.
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: Where we're going to i suppose i mean again not
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: like it's a new technology but the fact that we're
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: casting somewhat large films from instagram.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: Now yeah so i got um one thing i was
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: watching was dustin hoffman's master class in acting on whatever
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: that is what is that thing the internet No.
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: There's a lot of them.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: I keep seeing the Master Class series.
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: I keep seeing the Ron Howard commercial constantly.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: I forget what it is. You have to buy it
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: and then you own it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: And I thought Len might want to see it. And
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: also Werner Herzog had said in a podcast interview, he
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: said he had done one about directing and they give
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: you some others to watch to get the idea of
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: how to do it. And he said the Dustin Hoffman
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: one had the most about the craft of acting.
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: Can you say that in his accent?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: I can't do it in his accent. I don't do voices.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: I never even got, like, the accent of my hometown.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: I'm still kind of working on that. I don't know.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: There was a way people used to say my name
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: with three syllables that it took me years to get.
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: What's your hometown?
• 25:04
  Speaker 11: Bowling Green.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Oh, okay. Like, basically, it would have two syllables, like Freyd.
• 25:09
  Speaker 12: Right, sure.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: I can kind of do that. But then sometimes it
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: would have three, and I'm like, I can't do it credibly.
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: I can't pull it off. And then I realized after
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: decades of struggling with this, because my brother used to
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: harass me. He'd say, you're not saying things right. People
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: aren't going to know what you're saying. So I'm trying
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: to do Fred with three syllables, and I realized you
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: have to find the tone. It's like a certain tone.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: They don't do it all the time. It's like this...
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: kind of weary exasperation, like, Fred, why don't you just
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: go along with things and not make problems? Can you just...
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: You heard this a lot, too, didn't you?
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: Can you just, like, go along and not create these... And, no, Fred,
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: and there it was.
• 25:59
  Speaker 12: There it was.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: There it was, the three-syllable Fred. But I didn't go
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: along with things, and I did make problems, and... And
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: there's no explanation. I just think, I wanted to see
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: if they could do four. If we push this.
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: Push in the envelope.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: And sadly, I think they could do four, but it
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: was the way they said it after I was out
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: of your shot. It's the way they talk about me
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: behind my back was the four syllable. And it was probably,
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: for red.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: I think they were on to you, and they knew
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: you were trying to get it, and they weren't going
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: to get it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I can't do his voice, but his voice
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: is interesting because it always reminds me of wearing a
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: shirt that's just slightly too small and feels a little
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: bit uncomfortable. But in the interview, he said there was
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: more about the craft of acting in the Dustin Hoffman one,
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: and I thought, well, that sounds interesting. So we're watching it,
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: and there's a lot more Jerry Maguire scenes than I anticipated,
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: and In the Dustin Hoffman master class on acting, there's
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: a lot of Jerry Maguire happening here.
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: I'm confused.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm confused. So we haven't quite gotten through it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: Jerry Maguire kicked you right out. You're like, no, no, no.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: There's that one performance art piece. I think it's in Minneapolis.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: The one with the Jerry Maguires?
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: No, it's a video store that's still operating, and all
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: they have is Jerry Maguire VHS.
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: I know exactly what you're talking about. I've seen the photos.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: It's amazing.
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: I don't know if you've ever heard Patton Oswalt talk
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: about Jerry Maguire.
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: No.
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: I won't do it justice because I'm condensing down one
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: of his bits, but basically he talks about one of his...
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: favorite jokes is one that he didn't even tell but
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: it was his brother they were seeing Jerry Maguire on
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: Christmas Day the year it came out or Christmas Eve
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: something like that and he said that you know he
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: was just enjoying the film kind of engrossed in it
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: though he felt like it was a little bit cloying
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: but he couldn't get a feel on what his brother
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: was thinking other than he kind of saw him like
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: sort of sifting in his seat and he got, and
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: I got the impression that he wasn't really getting into
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: it as much as him and the rest of the
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: audience were. And so he said that when he gets
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: to that, that classic movie moment to where, you know,
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: you get the line, you had me at hello. He
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: said that his brother, like in the middle of this
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: audience of all these people who were teary eyed, his brother.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: Just went, Oh, fuck you.
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: Right at the screen.
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: And he said at that point, he just lost his
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: shit in the middle of the theater.
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: What a touching moment. On that touching moment, I think
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: we'll take our break and come back with this week's movie.
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  Speaker 8: So I'm going to play her hunch. I'm giving you
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: the northeast.
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: Now, that's as far north as the border, as far
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: west as Lancashire, and as far south.
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: As the Humber. It's a big challenge. Do you think
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: you're up to it?
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: I know I am, sir.
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: Normally, an opportunity like this wouldn't come your way for
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: 10 or 20 years. Men far more experienced than you
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: have had their shot at it and been broken by it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 10: But you've got guts, and you've got ambition, and that
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: gives you a head start.
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: Good luck.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: Now, there's your card. Never travel without it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: Your map. Your compass.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: And your car keys.
• 35:57
  Speaker 10: Now go out there and fight.
• 35:59
  Speaker 13: I will, sir.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Every inch of the way, you can rely on me.
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: Well, it took so long for.
• 36:16
  Speaker 14: Me to realize That my destiny was right before my
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: eyes If it were up to me to travel.
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: Through this life.
• 36:33
  Speaker 14: I'd find an open space for me To live out
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: all my dreams I'm such a lucky man I try
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: to be a stronger man I.
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: Shed a tear or two that don't.
• 36:49
  Speaker 14: Make me a weaker man It's made me a better
• 36:54
  Speaker 14: man I've given all I can To a world that
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: sometimes thinks that I'm a lesser man I remember all
• 37:07
  Speaker 14: the things that I've been through Give myself to all
• 37:13
  Speaker 14: those people I once knew.
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: I'm such a.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Lucky man.
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: So, we are back. And this week's Sofa Theater feature
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: is Oh, Lucky Man. The year is 1973. The director,
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: Lindsay Anderson, and the plot, according to IMDb. And it's... Again, IMDb,
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: so here's.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: What you get.
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: This sprawling surrealist musical serves as an allegory for the
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: pitfalls of capitalism as it follows the adventures of a
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: young coffee salesman in Europe. Many actors play multiple roles,
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: giving the film a stagey tone. Just a little judgy
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: for a that's imdb i suppose that's accurate ish.
• 38:03
  Speaker 12: But a little i feel like our work is done actually.
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: Well i mean but it also i feel like it's
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: already casting a a real specific shadow on it that
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: i'm like depends on how you want to take it.
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: That's almost like trying you know for this movie to
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: try and have like a a An encapsulating synopsis is
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: like trying to do that with the discreet charm of
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: the bourgeoisie or Holy Mountain or something. You know, just
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: because it is, it's a series of set pieces is
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: what it really amounts to. You've got that main character
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: who's like the common thread throughout it. But, you know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: it's just like, all right, we'll just stumble into this
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: next odd scenario.
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: That it is.
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: It's a kind of a movie that they don't really
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: make anymore. But they used to make. movies like that.
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: Especially during that era.
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: That's what I was thinking.
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: This is 70s through and through. Again, they make weird
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: movies now. They've made them every decade, but there's something
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: about 70s weird movies that are just their own brain.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: It's kind of like they act like they're a pointed satire,
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: but they're a little too directionless. If you read Candide,
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: it knows where it's going. And these are more like,
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: they're really like searcher movies. Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: Well, this whole episode's been a long time in the making.
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: And with that, I will get to the main reason
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: we had it. Because I saw this, I think years ago,
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: I just read the synopsis, which wasn't this weird one.
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: And I was just like, what? Like, it already just
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: sounded weird that we're following the adventures of a coffee salesman.
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: And so I think early on, because we'll get to
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: another segment later on, with someone else from the cast,
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: but mainly, once I watched it, I was just like,
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: this is a lot to deal with, and then I,
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: over the years, have crossed paths a few times with
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: Malcolm McDowell. Normally, I leave him alone, because he seems
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: like he's fine. That was one of my favorite stories,
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: was one of the first times we ran across him,
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: and this was long ago, the We had a listener
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: that used to call in all the time, and he
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: used to go to all these. And his story was
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: he went, and this was one of the first times,
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: I think, at least in this part of the country,
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: he'd started doing those. Because when I saw him recently,
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: he had a huge line all weekend long. But this
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: was like maybe people hadn't realized what he was doing.
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: But it's like Sunday morning at the convention, and this
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: guy rounds the corner, and they're sitting at a table.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Malcolm McDowell.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Nobody's there.
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: Well, and that I think was kind of typical for
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: a while early on because now it's every other weekend
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: there's some sort of giant autograph fest and that's the
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: thing to do. But a decade ago, you'd have maybe
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: one or two per year and you'd have like one
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: or two names that everyone was going to and then otherwise, no.
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: But this one, he brought it up like knowing who
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: this was. He rounded the corner and went, hey, you're
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: Malcolm Dowell. you should have like a huge line. And
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: he's like, well, I agree with you actually. Like I
• 41:08
  Speaker 8: thought he, he had a very funny tone in his answer,
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: but it also seemed a little annoyed. And like, he,
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: he seems like he might come off that way. So
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: I was like, all right, if I'm going to bother
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: him about something, I feel like he's been beat over
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: the head with clockwork orange. Let's, I think at this point,
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: if anybody else brings that up, I'm like, he's immediately
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: going to tune out and give you the same stock answer.
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: He got asked about Star Trek.
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: So I, and I thought actually the second one being
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: the geek world, he's probably just going to get dorky
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: Star Trek questions. And he's like, I barely remember that movie.
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: So again, I was just like, what's, you know, let's,
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: I was digging back into that. And I'm just like,
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: I had already seen that. That's a weird movie. And
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: it turns out it's like his favorite film of his
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: that he's made.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 41:52
  Speaker 8: So I think that's the thing. As you listen to this,
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: we're going to do it. It's been a long time
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: since we've done a one from the vault segment here,
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: but I actually have a pretty, again, I feel like
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: had I said, let's talk about Clockwork Orange, he would
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: have been done in about two minutes. He goes on
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: for a little bit here and kind of goes into, again,
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: I think because he became really good friends with the director.
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: He not only cared about the story, he came up
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: with the story.
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: I thought he co-wrote it with Lindsay Anderson.
• 42:18
  Speaker 8: But even he brings up like, His own issues with it.
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: So it's, again, more than I would have expected to
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: get out of him. And I'm really glad we got
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: to talk to him. And so, yeah, we'll let you
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: hear it now. But this is Malcolm McDowell's take on
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: this week's movie. I mostly wanted to talk about Oh,
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: Lucky Man. That's one that doesn't get as much attention
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: as some of the others. So I wanted to see what,
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: I guess, how... Since it's sort of credited as your brainchild,
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: how did this come together originally?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: After we won the grand prize at the Cannes Film Festival,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I said to Lindsay Anderson, the director, Lindsay, it would
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: be great to do another film together. And he said, well,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: if you want to do another film with me, you
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: better write it. So, of course, I'm not a writer,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: but I said, well, I'll give it a go. And
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I always had this idea to do, you know, some
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: kind of journey movie about my experiences as a coffee salesman,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: using that as a springboard to branch out on a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: journey through life and to take a humorous look at
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: all the pitfalls and what the establishment throws at young people.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Lindsay gave me three books to read. Voltaire's Candide, Heaven's
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: My Destination by Thornton Wilder, and Kafka's America. And so
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the book is very influenced, actually, more on Candide, really.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: It's a real reacting part. I wasn't too happy with
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: the role, actually. Myself, I was sort of.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I had second thoughts about playing that part because it
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: was just a voyeur. It had nothing to do. But
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: of course, as Lindsay said, Malcolm, that's what film, great
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: film acting is about, reacting. And he is so right.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: He was a genius, of course, but the hardest parts
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: to play, especially for a character actor, you have to
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: admire some of the great reacting actors, people like Gary Cooper,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: people like that, you know, they're amazing, really, because they
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: don't appear to be acting at all, you know, and
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: so it's just a different string to the bow, if
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: you like, but the film, basically, you know, my idea
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: was basically to make Lindsay Anderson to get him to
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: commit to making another film with me. And that was
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: the hook to hang my hat, as it were. Because
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: I considered Lindsay Anderson the greatest genius director of the age.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: And I still have not changed my mind about it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: He was a brilliant stage director. And a brilliant film director.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: There's no question about that. His films are so personal
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: and so dense. He is a true auteur, to use
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the French term. Because even though he didn't write the films,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the hand of God was over every single second of it. And,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: you know, he was such an immense talent. That's all
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I can say. Of course, he was a curmudgeon and,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: you know, But underneath this very gruff exterior was a
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: very warm-hearted man who I am lucky to say was
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: one of my great friends from the time that I
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: met him till the time that he died, which was
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: nearly 30 years. And certainly the most influential person in
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: my life. So, you know, so all the films that
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I did with him, if O Lucky Man and Pretending Hospital... Really,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: they hold a special place in my heart. They're my favorite.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Simply because Lindsay was extraordinary. And actually, I did a
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: movie about my relationship with him called Never Apologize. It's
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: out on DVD at Warner Brothers. And I wanted to
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: make sure people didn't forget who he was. That's why
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I did it.
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, Oh Lucky Man is such an epic tale,
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: but It's not just one story to the next. It
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: seems like there is sort of an overarching theme, and
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: there's a meaning to it in the end. Did you
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: have a specific idea that you were trying to get across,
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: or was it more of something that each person applies
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: as they watch?
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I think you get out of that film whatever you want.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Whatever appeals to you at the time, you will get
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: whatever it is you want.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: We.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, David Sherwin, who wrote the script, and I,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: we all wrote it together with Lindsay, the three of us.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: We all were saying, you know, what is the film about?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: We kept asking the question. And, you know, it was
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: called Coffee Man originally. And I hated the title, but
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: it was just a working title. And I kept saying
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: to David, what the hell is this movie about? And
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: it came in success and this and that and luck.
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: And luck.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: It sort of is really about luck. And, you know,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: how lucky are we to be born or to live
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: in the United States? How amazing is our luck that
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: we were not born in an African village or an
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Indian village or a South American into, you know, whatever,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: into poverty, whatever it is. I mean, if you think
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: about it, that just by the, you know, just by
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the hand of fate that you were dealt, we are
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: very fortunate, you know. And so I think it's sort
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: of interesting to ponder that occasionally and not to just
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: take everything for granted in your life, you know. And
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I think as a young man, that was very important
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: to me. I was obsessed with it actually. And, you know,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I had lots of, strange things going through my mind.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I always think people were shooting at me with machine
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: guns and I would sort of die in the street,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: you know, people would go, what the hell's the matter
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: with him? That was just my imagination taking over. It
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: was kind of fun. And But Oh, Lucky Man, I think,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: is a very subversive film. I think it's a brilliant film.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: To me, it's still as vibrant today as it was
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: when it was made. I think it's an amazing piece
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: of work from all of us, but especially, of course, Lindsay.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: It's sort of his signature piece. I think it's his
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: greatest movie. It's funny that David Sherwin always said, oh,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: my movie was if yours is Oh, Lucky Man and
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Lindsay's is Britannia Hospital. But I don't... That's not true.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: The fact is, they're all Lindsay Anderson movies. And he
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: is the star. He is the motivator.
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: And he is.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: The manipulator, if you like, in all of them. But,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: of course, the great thing about Lindsay Anderson was that
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: he was also a poet. So they have this majestic feel,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: this picaresque quality, which is so hard to do, you know.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: It's such a beautiful style that he had. And funny, amusing, and.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: And just really beautiful. And, you know, I'm so lucky
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: that I was part of his movies. He also made
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: a movie before, called This Sporting Life, which is one
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: of the great films based in a sport that's ever made.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: It stars Richard Harris. It's Richard's greatest performance, in my opinion.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: And it's a really beautiful film. And, you know... We
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: were very lucky, really, to have worked with such a
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: great man.
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: Thank you to Malcolm for giving us his take on it.
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: I do like that midway in, as he's discussing the
• 51:17
  Speaker 8: three writers, more or less, that came into play creating
• 51:20
  Speaker 8: this story, the main question they had was, what the
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: hell is this movie about? They were asking each other
• 51:27
  Speaker 8: that midway into this crazy story. So I guess that
• 51:31
  Speaker 8: is now our mission. what the hell is this movie
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: exactly about? When even they had to question it. Spoiler alert,
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: by the way. We're going to run this.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: Again, there used to be other kinds of movies like this.
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: I think Putney Swope is a little bit... High Mom.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember that.
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: Because it follows one guy, but the situation changes around him,
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: and it's concerned with social... President's Analyst? I think. Who
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: was the guy in that? Barry.
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: It's Colburn, isn't it?
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: The music guy.
• 52:08
  Speaker 8: Oh, in this movie?
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: No, in President's Analyst. It had sort of a musical.
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: I remember somebody keeps recommending that to me, but I
• 52:16
  Speaker 8: haven't gotten to it yet.
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: It was Barry somebody who did that Eve of Destruction song.
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: He was in it.
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: Even with Nail and Eye sort of has that feel, too.
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah. It's not as many little set pieces.
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: No, it's not, but it's got the overall sort of.
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: It's that tone.
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: One of the most recent ones that's sort of like
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: an intellectual... I Heart Huckabees is a little bit kind
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: of in that vein. And also, you know, on a
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: different level, I think, Monty Python films are kind of
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: searcher films. And I think they speak to that feeling of...
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: That everybody has sometimes. Like you just look at people
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: going around. Like the world makes sense. And you're like.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: What?
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: What are we doing?
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: I would say maybe Ghost World. Is another sort of modern.
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: That one is almost a series of vignettes. Within itself.
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: And I think if you have that feeling. Acutely. It
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: helps make these kinds of films. Coherent to you. Because
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: you feel like it's speaking to that.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: At least.
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: And that gives it sort of a. a unity that
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: if you're aware of it, but not feeling it so acutely,
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: it feels very sprawling.
• 53:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 53:32
  Speaker 13: I feel like there was like a whole generation that
• 53:34
  Speaker 13: like missed out on that because they were brainwashed.
• 53:37
  Speaker 12: By Robert McKee.
• 53:37
  Speaker 13: Like, I feel like he ruined a whole generation of screenwriters.
• 53:40
  Speaker 12: And then adaptation came along. It was like, wait, what really?
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: That guy?
• 53:43
  Speaker 12: No, he's a hack. Don't do that. And now we
• 53:46
  Speaker 12: get to have whatever kind of movie we want.
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: Again, which is nice. Don't worry about this react structure.
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: Oh, Yeah, this had to have like a 28-act structure.
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: It is sprawling in its own weird way, which was
• 53:59
  Speaker 8: why I was going to say, do we want to
• 54:01
  Speaker 8: try to follow the timeline? I was like, we're going
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: to bounce around a little because the themes, if we
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: find them, are going to cross over. But I don't know.
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: I was trying to think, do we want to try
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: to hit these set pieces as we go and figure
• 54:16
  Speaker 8: out some sort of direction?
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: It's... When I was kind of trying to think about
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: it and interpret it, it's like trying to very much
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: interpret a dream. And the whole thing feels incredibly dreamlike.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: It does. I got about five minutes in initially, and
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: I paused it because I'd seen If a couple of
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: years ago or so. And so when I saw Malcolm McDowell,
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: and I looked up nothing about this. You just told me, hey,
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: watch this movie.
• 54:46
  Speaker 8: I was like, all right. Which is, again, how I
• 54:48
  Speaker 8: stumbled on it years ago.
• 54:49
  Speaker 11: I like that.
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: I didn't know anything going in there.
• 54:51
  Speaker 7: But as soon as I saw Lindsay Anderson's name, I
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: was like, wait a minute. Because you've got Malcolm McDowell,
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: and you also have Arthur Lowe, who was in it
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: as well. He's like the headmaster of the school. So
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: when I at least looked up, I was like, what
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: is the story behind this? And it was the same name.
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: I thought, okay, it's the same character. ish sort of
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: and that I think like you can almost try and
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: start picking this apart as to why they chose to
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: give the character the same name as the character in
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: if is it intentional or is it just sort of
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: a throwaway gag yeah because I feel like if it's
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: intentional then you are very much either watching someone's dream
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: so maybe that main character from if after everything went
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: down at the school assuming he didn't get to But
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: you're either watching his dream or fantasies deciding what to
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: do with his life, or you're possibly watching seemingly real scenarios,
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: but through his lens. Almost kind of like, I remember
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: when Whiplash came out, and people were like, oh, what
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: a crazy drummer teacher i'm like what you're seeing might
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: not be real this might it's it's no different than
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: you you know speaking from the educational world if a
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: kid gets fussed at by a teacher quite often you'll
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: hear them sort of exaggerate it's like oh they just
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: tore into me it's like no they really didn't and
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: so when i saw whiplash i'm like are you really
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: seeing what what's taking place or is this just like
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: that's drum students perception as to how he's being And
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: that's kind of where I started wondering with this. It's like,
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: are we actually seeing actual events that he's progressing through,
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: but through his particular lens? Or is all of this
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: just some wild fantasy dream? Because I don't think it's
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: meant to be taken at surface level.
• 56:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, this time going through and watching it again,
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: I noticed right off the bat, it opens with Once
• 56:58
  Speaker 8: Upon a Time. So we're already like, it's essentially a weird,
• 57:02
  Speaker 8: demented fairy tale. And like from that point on, I'm like, well,
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: you can kind of do whatever you want from that
• 57:08
  Speaker 8: point because it does. Yeah, you've already set up the
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: with even with the weird like silent movie opening there
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: that I'm like, we set some weird backstory that isn't
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: really a backstory for anything. It's just, hey, coffee beans anyway.
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: So it's like it's throwing these little pieces out there,
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: but I'm not even sure they had a 100% way
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: to tie them all together. Again, I think it really
• 57:32
  Speaker 8: was just, here's a lot of different ideas that we
• 57:36
  Speaker 8: have and a lot of different points that I think
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: we want to hit. I don't even know 100% if
• 57:41
  Speaker 8: they were like decided on the point they were trying
• 57:44
  Speaker 8: to make. Because by the end, I'm like, there are
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: things that are already kind of crossing over or maybe
• 57:49
  Speaker 8: contradicting themselves. I'm like, there's some of it I'm not
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: even sure. If they wanted to pin that down. Again,
• 57:55
  Speaker 8: this becomes a big sort of sprawling, weird, artsy kind
• 57:59
  Speaker 8: of a movie. But I'm like, maybe more so than
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: even they had pinned down to begin with.
• 58:04
  Speaker 13: But like the Once Upon a Time was in juxtaposition
• 58:07
  Speaker 13: to the second inner title, right?
• 58:08
  Speaker 12: Which was Now.
• 58:09
  Speaker 13: Which was like, oh, this is how things used to be.
• 58:11
  Speaker 13: But it's not like that now. Now things are so
• 58:13
  Speaker 13: much better.
• 58:14
  Speaker 8: Again, they bring their weird titles in a lot in
• 58:19
  Speaker 8: one point there. So again, I don't know from what
• 58:23
  Speaker 8: distance are we giving this narration with any of these,
• 58:26
  Speaker 8: even as they go through and just pin down the locations.
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: I don't know. Like, I don't know how much those
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: end up tying into it all.
• 58:34
  Speaker 13: And even though it was the character from If, who
• 58:36
  Speaker 13: I think there's, it's actually a trilogy, right?
• 58:38
  Speaker 12: There's a third movie.
• 58:39
  Speaker 13: From the 80s that also with McDowell.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:43
  Speaker 12: I've never seen that one.
• 58:44
  Speaker 6: I did see that it was a trilogy and I
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: felt really tired when I saw it. But I usually
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: do whenever I see that something is a trilogy, I
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: immediately go, Oh God.
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: But, uh, They felt the need to just keep going.
• 59:01
  Speaker 13: But yeah, so nominally, even though it's the same character,
• 59:03
  Speaker 13: then obviously this movie ends with, it's also the Malcolm
• 59:07
  Speaker 13: McDowell story, so this movie ends with Malcolm McDowell getting cast.
• 59:10
  Speaker 13: and if with the gun and the books and this
• 59:12
  Speaker 13: so then it turns on itself and yeah i.
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: Don't know sometimes people just like call something a trilogy
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: like that guy who did uh what he did strictly ballroom.
• 59:23
  Speaker 11: Oh, the Red Curtain Trilogy.
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he calls that the Red Curtain Trilogy. I'm sorry,
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: like a great movie and two bags.
• 59:30
  Speaker 15: Of garbage aren't a trilogy. That's just not how a
• 59:34
  Speaker 15: trilogy works. I feel bad for that guy because I
• 59:39
  Speaker 15: remember the review. First I heard of Strictly Ballroom was,
• 59:46
  Speaker 15: how do you follow that?
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: And he never did. He never did, you know. Anyway.
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: You know, I have to just cry uncle on making
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: sense of the form of this narrative because it's very...
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: And apart from that, as I said, I can't watch
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: movies anymore. I just look, oh, look at that guy.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: He reminds me of that guy. And so before I
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: even watched this movie, oh, it's Malcolm McDowell, I thought,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: I'm going to mention how he's that type of guy.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: Like the guy in Dylan, Don't Look Back.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: Everybody can play this guy.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: He's that same type of guy as Alan Price, who
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: was the guy who was hanging around with Dylan, and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: he was making fun of this guy, this UK crooner,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 6: Dave Barry, who did little things that you do. And
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: he said he's like the human sloth. And he just
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: reminds me of the same kind of guy as Malcolm McDowell.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: He's sort of a blunt-faced British guy with sort of
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: wry expressions. And, you know, that was like five years
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: earlier than this movie. He looked even more like that
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: kind of guy a few years earlier. Now he's put
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: on a little weight and got longer hair. And he's
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: in the movie. And I'm like, why is he in
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: the movie with the guy I was going to say?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: He's the same kind of guy. And another guy who's
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: that same kind of guy is Ramsay Bolton from Game
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: of Thrones. Just blunt-faced British guy with sort of a
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: wry expression. And they don't all look identical. It's a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: spectrum of guys. Like, you know, like magician Doug Henning.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: and oats from holland oats they're just the same like
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: sometimes i'll be in a grocery store and i'll see
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: two guys in the aisle and it's like they don't
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: look identical but they look like they're trying out for
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: the same part and i just want to ask do
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: you see it you see how you're kind of like
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: related in a way but i'm too shy so i
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: don't but yeah um alan.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 11: Price i would say that.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: Stream of logic right there is pretty much on par
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: with your own movie it's.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: Just a kind of association i make between people and
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 6: i've created my own race of guys the blunt face
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: british guy um and i do that with all the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: movies i watch it's a wonder my wife has not
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 6: murdered me at this point planning because we're you know
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 6: we're watching a movie the other night oh we were
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: watching brooklyn I'm like, oh, that guy, that guy, where
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: do I know that guy from? Oh, he was the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: husband in Mrs. Maisel. Wait, no. He's not the husband
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: in Mrs. Maisel. And then later she goes over to
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: meet his family. Sitting at the table, there's his brother.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: That's the husband in Mrs.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: Maisel.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: They are related. They're fictional brothers. Right? So he's not
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 6: the husband in Mrs.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: Maisel.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: He was... Homer in the OA. So the guy... I
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: don't know. It's just... I can't watch movies anymore without
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: being obsessed with appearances.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: We need to get you involved in casting.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 12: I was about to say, you missed your call as
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 12: a casting director.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: You know types.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: You know, but I know they do that. They use
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: impressions of other actors and they find somebody who can
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 6: bring something like that to the part. I know they
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: do because I see them doing it. Just like, you know, oh,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: that guy... He was the husband in Mrs. Maisel. And
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 6: Len's like, are you sure? He looks a little shorter.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, you're right. That's not him. It's his brother.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: It's his brother sitting at the table. That's the husband. Yeah.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 6: So that's probably where I have to leave that discussion.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, I like the movie, but I don't. feel
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: it that much it's not singing to me so.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 13: Wait for somebody that compares actors to other actors constantly
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 13: did it really throw you off that multiple actors played
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 13: multiple parts in this film that looks just like oh
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 13: no it's not it is.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah it did i mean but then mostly at the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: point where like the woman is collecting for charity out
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: on the street what um which organization was it?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 8: Salvation Army. They were very religious for Salvation Army.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: And he walks up and he's on the street, he's
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: out of prison. And, you know, the word spiffy doesn't
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: come to mind when people are released from prison that often.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: But these guys were like, they're sending them into an
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: upscale job interview as they come out the door. And
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: so he's wandering around, he sees the woman, and, you know,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: it's like, oh, hi, remember when you lent me your tit?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: There were moments when it was like, well, that's weird.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: They're not even saying hello to each other.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: I'm assuming maybe, don't you typically, when you get out
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: of prison, you get back the clothes you were arrested in?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: Because he was arrested.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: When he was in the suit. Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: They were all pretty spiffy, though. Maybe they all got
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: busted doing some sort of white collar run. Yeah.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 11: But no, when they were just like, here, hold this briefcase.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: All right. He was wearing a nice suit at that moment.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, he was.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: So I think that's the same suit that he's wearing
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: in that scene.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: I guess that makes sense.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: I like that we're trying, out of all the stuff
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: that doesn't make sense in this movie, why is he
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 7: wearing a nice suit when he gets.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 11: Out of prison? That's the one thing I want to
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 11: pick apart.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: I really enjoy that there was detritus and trash on
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: the street because it makes me realize they've got some
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: computer thing now where they get rid of that. If
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: you look at street scenes in movies now, they're just
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: crazy clean. And like, I guess I'm getting old, but
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: the most visually arresting thing for me in Wonder.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 16: Woman was there was not a speck of dust in
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 16: that city.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: You know, they're going to buy clothes and it's like
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: there's nothing on their suit. There's nothing on the ground.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: It's a magical world they live in. It is!
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: Of course, that's a comic book world, too, but maybe
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 7: comic people don't make trash.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: Yes!
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: Like, even your average duo, they might not have superpowers
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 7: or they can fly, but it's just they are zero waste.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 11: Like, it's a city of.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: Zero waste people. Yeah, but that other Netflix series is
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: the same way. It's just like period era porn. And
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: everything is spotless.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 8: That's not how porn goes.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just like.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 8: I like your scrolling through Netflix.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: Let's see.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: Strange.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 9: No, no, no.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 11: Period era. Or period era porn.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: Porn. Yeah.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Well, no.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: The series is Marvelous Ms. Maisel. And it's about a
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: fictional woman who is a comic and worked with Lenny
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: Bruce back. And it's just gorgeous to watch.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 8: I think it's pretty good.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: She lives in this really wealthy apartment.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 16: I'm just watching and thinking, God, I would die if
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 16: I lived there.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 6: I could not. Because it has all this horrid decor
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: and colors that I just, I feel like they're choking
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: me when I look at them. But then she goes
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: to some civil rights officer, lawyer's office. And that office
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: is heaven. It's just, oh, can we just get them
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: out of here? Just pan the camera around a little bit. Yeah,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: but it's like, you know, I watch shows for clothes
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: and period stuff.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 8: Now you need to get into costuming and set dressing.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: We're finding a whole group of things you really need
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: to be focusing on.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: But it was super clean. It was just eerily clean.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: You look around. It's like if it was real, it
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: would have taken like an army to clean that place
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: up for them to film. And then they'd have to
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 6: stop because something blew into the scene.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: You know, it's funny you mention that because now that I...
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: It's like... clicked this memory in my head. First time
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: I saw It Follows, the image that resonated the most
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: from that film for me is when about half hour in,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: they decide to do the sleepover.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 8: Have you seen the film?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: And so they're all getting ready for bed, and there's
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: this close-up shot of she's brushing her teeth, and there's old,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: dried toothpaste on the faucet.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 11: And I remember being in.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: The theater, and I thought, that's... that's so looks lived
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: in like any other movie they would have cleaned that
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: off and i was like it just it resonated that
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: particular shot and you're right it is everything has to
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: be clean and most houses aren't clean most offices aren't
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 7: clean it's.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: The creator of mad men said that the key to
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: it was the fly on the ceiling because if it
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: had been a movie of that era, you wouldn't have
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: seen that. But the fact that there's a fly walking around,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: it takes it to a different level of reality.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: So we're a little off topic. I don't know. I
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: try to keep us reined in.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: Do you?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 8: Well, their own weird reality is kind of what we
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 8: end up in this too, though, because I'm like, even
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: those first 20, 30 minutes, I'm like, again, what perspective
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 8: are we getting? Is this entirely his perspective where he
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 8: thinks he's James Bond? Because why suddenly the dorky young
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: guy that is Malcolm McDowell is just the weird ladies
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: are throwing themselves at him.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: Oh, you can't blame him. He's cute.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 8: That's the, well, and plays young really well because he
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: looks like a kid. I think he was like 30
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 8: when they shot that. He still looks like he's like 20.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 8: He can like, glow when he smiles.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 6: In a way that's very convincing that which.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 8: Again works sees that reactionary like everything about him is
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 8: just how do you get that weird goofy smile which
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 8: becomes this weird theme throughout it that like he does
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: put on that little show there and i feel like
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 8: that's not just in that one scene like we've seen
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: that throughout his career that he can dial that up
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: to 11 where he's just a little happier than you
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 8: should be comfortable with like he just seems pleased to
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: the point you're afraid he might kill you like it's
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: that uncomfortable level of.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: Why i didn't get the menace in this movie he
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: does that in other movies.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: He definitely well even there's moments though where it's just
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 8: a little it's not even menacing it's just unnerving it's
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: just like why is he so oblivious to how weird
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 8: this scene is like yeah because it does seem like
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 8: he's the only one that doesn't realize it's weird.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah like when he he goes to the um the town,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: he meets the mayor, and then they go out to
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: the bar, or he's sitting around the table, and everyone's introduced,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: and everyone's like, chocolate sandwich! And this whole stage show's
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: going on, and the whole time he's just drinking some alcohol.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: It's just like, and he's at some regular bar, and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: I'm thinking, okay, it's not only a weird that you
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: have this place to begin with, it's weirder that it's
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: brightly lit, and that you have Equal parts just men.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: It's like it's all couples. Like it's couples night out
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: at this place. And so you're sitting at the table
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: with the newspaper man. Like it's not like it's a
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: seedy bar. Like this is where everyone in town goes
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: to enjoy their night.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 12: Their Tuesday party.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 8: It's just it's. And it's not like it's in London. Like,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: it's not a huge city. It's off in some weird
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: little town that, I guess, is where these creepy things
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 8: go on.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: Because this is very much a movie when you talk
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: about it's like it didn't arrest you. It is something
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 7: where you can take it in chunks because it is
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: a series of vignettes, but that scene, that and a
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: couple others, you just stop and you're like, what the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 7: hell am I watching? Like, this is so just.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: I like that general feeling. I just didn't find it
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: very compelling. Like, This is... And by the end, I
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 6: didn't really feel like I got to know the character.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: So while I do enjoy the weirdness of it and
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: the differentness of it and sort of the period quality
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: of like... It encapsulates things that were in the culture
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: at that time. At the same time, I don't feel
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: like gripped. It's kind of like one of those friendships
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: where you know somebody for decades. At some point, you realize...
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: you're never really getting to know them better. That's just
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: where we are with each other. We've set our boundaries.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 8: We're like neighbors.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: Because the entire film, he doesn't really interact that much.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 7: He's always just sort of this, like a passive observer
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: to all this bizarre stuff. And it's like, is he
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: just supposed to be representing you, the viewer? And so
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: at the end, it's just very much like, Okay, what
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: did I watch? The purpose is he exists, so that
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: way he becomes like this weird totem for you to
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: react through regarding all this stuff. So it's not so
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: much about him changing. Instead, it's more about just what
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 7: impression did you take away?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: I kind of wondered that. Is he supposed to be
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: an everyman then?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 8: More of a blank slate, I feel like. Like, I
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: guess you can work that into part of it, I guess, maybe. But, like,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 8: he so doesn't bring anything. Because that's, like, even as
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 8: we get into those first, like, how did he end
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 8: up with the company? Like, you don't understand anywhere that,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 8: which is funny if we're assuming he's the same character
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: from a previous movie. Because we don't get a sense
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 8: of any history. Like, he just appeared in the middle
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 8: of that coffee factory. And, like, by the end, we've
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 8: been through all these weird changes before. of situation, but
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 8: he still doesn't really feel like he's grown. He's taken
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 8: on different, almost aspects of whatever he's shoved.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: Into each time.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 8: Like each time we shove him into one of these
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 8: little scenarios, it seems like he kind of absorbs it
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 8: and becomes sort of like that. Again, he's always driven.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: He's always sort of wide eyed and positive about his
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 8: momentum and, But that's really the only thing that follows
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 8: through to the end. He continually changes depending on what
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: scenario he's shoved into.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 12: Well, but by the end, he's sort of world weird.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 13: I mean, at the beginning, she asked him to smile,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 13: and he's got this big, joyful, outgoing, sincere smile. And
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 13: at the end, they're like, smile. And he's like, what's
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 13: there to smile about?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 8: But I think that's also where he's at, too.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: When he does smile, it's very restrained.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 13: Very restrained but then he's kind of like oh wait
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 13: and then he's an actor but again.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 8: That's what he's involved in he's in the middle of Hollywood.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: They try to get very meta at the end I.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 13: Mean I think for me it's sort of a failure
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 13: of a movie because it's supposed to be a satire
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 13: but none of it's satirical observations are like particularly probing
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 13: or original it's all pretty surface.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah that's what I feel like I would have liked
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: to have seen more of just the stuff of life
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 6: like how is he eating.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 8: He doesn't most of the time, actually.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 6: And that's just what I watch for. I just want
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 6: to see the little bits of life and how he
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: deals with things. I did like the scene where he
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: was in his underwear in that very 70s room with
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: the turntable and all the stuff lying around. It's like, God,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: I've been in rooms like that. What happened to them all?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: Did they all just get cleaned out?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: Well, that's, again, it doesn't even totally wait till the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 8: end to cross over because this is one of the
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 8: few times in any movie where the film intersects with
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 8: its own soundtrack.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 8: I mean, it already has that weird cut, because that's
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 8: what I thought is weird and kind of wrong. The
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 8: IMDb listed as a musical, which I'm like, that's certainly arguable.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 8: But at the same time, the fact that it immediately
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: cuts in with like from the, the, cutting hands off
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: into the song so the music factors in pretty heavy
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 8: in this but then it like cuts away from what
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 8: we're watching to specifically watch the guy essentially recording the
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 8: soundtrack they're in a studio somewhere playing this and then
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 8: the fact that we come to the band as characters
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: playing themselves in the movie it's already kind of the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 8: snake eating its own tail at this point so the
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 8: fact that we also come back to that in the
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 8: end and it becomes a complete particular thing it's this
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 8: is it's a strange process yeah.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 7: Because i mean going with what lucy said i mean
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 7: there's really not that much satire and if you're going
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 7: to try and derive like any moral from it you
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 7: know because after the film ended i was like okay
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 7: i'm i'm going to go back and listen to the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: opening song again just because i'm going to maybe infer
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: that there is something within it since the film is
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: entitled oh lucky man and so is the the song
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 7: it's Like one of the reoccurring lyrics, I didn't write
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 7: it down, but basically it's like, you know, if you
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: figure out a reason to live and not die, oh,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 7: what a.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: Lucky man, you know.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: But what a lucky man you are. So I'm like, okay,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: was that just the overall gist or message is that
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: life is just you wandering through a series of vignettes
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: until you just... stumble into something to where you're like
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: i can live with this because that that seems to
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: be the only real message i can i can take from.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 8: It kind of is how life is it's sad but
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 8: that's kind of how it.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 6: Is i kind of feel like the thing you just
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: said had more coherence and point what sort of resonates
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 6: with me a little more deeply than the movie did.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 8: Well what's funny is i had i had a take
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 8: on it that was a completely line to another movie
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: and a very different movie but by the end i
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 8: feel like there there's again depending on how you read
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 8: this there's a way you read this that it's kind
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 8: of that same thing by two-thirds of the way in
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 8: i'm like i'm getting a real forrest gump vibe here
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 8: exactly that should be your but the more i thought
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 8: i was like he goes through all these crazy adventures
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 8: he meets all these weird characters and And then there's
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 8: that moment where it's like, okay, I've just gotten out
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 8: of a giant explosion after I've been attacked and captured
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 8: by the military and I escaped from a hospital and
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 8: now I'm laying here in the stream and he's drinking
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 8: the water and it's the best drink of water he's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 8: ever had and he rolls over and he's laying there
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 8: in the sun and I'm like, is that it? That's
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: the forest by himself running and seeing the sunrise. Is
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: it like, this is it? All this bullshit that I
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 8: go through through it's along the way I look back
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 8: and there's these little moments and that's what makes everything
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 8: okay is.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 7: That kind of the first time I saw Forrest Gump
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 7: is oh that bullshit I went.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah exactly but like I'm watching that here and I'm
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 8: like there is almost like a couple of different times
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 8: where he has these moments of like okay for a
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 8: second things are all right And then it goes right
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 8: back to being insane. So, again, I don't know how
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 8: much of that is really there. Or I'm just like, man,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 8: I wish I was watching Forrest Gump right now.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, there are a lot of things that I
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: was uncertain about. Like the scene where the person screams
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 6: and then falls into the fire. Were they supposed to
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: scream before they fell into the fire? Was it just
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: like a thing like, and then fall into the fire.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 11: Just fuck it.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 8: By the end, I kind of assumed that. I think
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 8: they had enough. Because we get to a point where
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 8: suicide is addressed in the ongoing list of things. So
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 8: it's definitely like, did they, because again, they're dealing with,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 8: by the end, a lot of this becomes so much
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 8: about poverty and dealing with it. And I'm like, is that,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 8: I mean, we're watching several people that are just like,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 8: Things suck so bad, I don't even want to live anymore.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: Things suck so bad, I'll take a hundred quid to
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 7: be turned into a half-human, half-pig, dinosaur, whatever. You're only
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 7: given a glimpse, so that way you can't pick apart.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: I think, in a way, the Monty Python stuff, was
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: very pointedly searching. Because in comedy, that's kind of what
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: you're doing if you're doing intelligent comedy. But the thing
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: they had on their show was they had that Cupid
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: foot that would just come down and squish things, and
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: then they'd start somewhere else. And they weren't bound by
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: trying to keep it continuous. And then they went from
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: that to when they had movies, they would try to
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 6: string together a narrative. But they came out of having
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: dealt with that looser form yeah um and so i
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 6: i think some of the movie feels padded out to
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: get from here to there um.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 7: I don't know i mean it definitely feels padded just
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: lengthwise i remember seeing it so many times at the
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: video store oh.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: That's that's probably interesting i'm not I'm really glad I
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 6: got around to watching it.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 8: Hey, this wasn't the broad British guy with the.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 6: The British guy with the.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 8: I think it falls into that category. It's interesting.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: If you don't remember Alan Price from Don't Look Back,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: it's worth revisiting that documentary. It follows Dylan around on
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: his tour in England, and he's just hanging out with him.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: I didn't know his name until I saw it in
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: this movie. I just knew he was the keyboard guy
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: from The Animals. He was the keyboard player from The Animals.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 6: And he's hanging around with Dylan. And they're just a
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: funny pair.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 8: That's part of how this came to be. I saw
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 8: after the fact today looking through is that I think
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 8: the director wanted to make a documentary on him and
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 8: his band touring around. And then they played so many
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 8: covers they couldn't afford to license the covers to actually
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 8: show the footage. So instead it was like, well... we're
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 8: going to do something with these guys. So it was
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 8: like they were already working on the idea for this
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: movie and they were like, we want you to write
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 8: some songs for it. Here's some of the basic scenes.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 8: And then he just pretty much wrote an entire album
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 8: and went, here's the album, put this in your movie.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 7: It'd be interesting to go back and rewatch the movie
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: and think, okay, the movie's about them. And like interpret
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: it from there. It's kind of like when you see
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 7: No Country for Old Men for the first time and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 7: you're thinking, okay, is this following Josh Brolin's character? Oh no,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 7: it's Tommy Lee Jones as the main character. Take this
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 7: movie and just assume, hey, the musicians are the main characters.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 13: Oh, this is just the world's longest and most tedious
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 13: music video.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 11: Hour and a half for comedy, two for tragedy.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 6: That is saying something, isn't it? Wow, what a title
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: to achieve.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 13: I mean, I think we've all seen this movie in
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 13: video stores and turned it over and been like, oh,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 13: 184 minutes.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 12: Maybe not tonight.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 8: One day. I didn't. I didn't know it until I
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 8: was in already. Like I said, I read that description
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 8: and went, all right, let's see. And again, I was
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 8: just like, even this time, at one point I paused
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 8: to go load up on more coffee because you obviously
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 8: need some in the middle of this. I was just like,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 8: I feel like I've been through two movies already. And
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 8: it was before the halfway point. I'm like, so much
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 8: happens in this.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't even look it up. And then it
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: was when I was watching it. And it was when
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 7: he got into prison. I paused. I'm like, okay, how
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 7: long is this?
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 11: And then as soon as I looked it up, I
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 11: was like, well played, Brian. Well played. You got me.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 8: Before we even started, to everyone I said.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 11: Long and weird.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 8: And you were like, okay, what is it? I'm like,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 8: all right, you just. Dug your own grave there.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: I was captivated by the weird.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 11: I overlooked the long.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 8: Long was mentioned?
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: And perhaps in my brain, I kind of assumed, okay, long, like,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 7: two hours-ish.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 8: Not three hours-ish.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: A three-hour term.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Morning!
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 8: How do you feel? Hungry.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 12: Could you hold this for me?
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 10: Om.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 12: It means infinity or Godhead.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: Are you a Buddhist?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 12: All religions are equally true.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Breakfast. London.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 8: Biggest money market in the world.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Did you know that? 10,000 million pounds a day turnover.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: 10,000 millions a day.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: And there's a thousand ways of making it, you know.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: It's just a question of picking the right one. Open this.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 8: Champagne?
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Glass palaces.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: Just look at them.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: One day I'll own one of those.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: You're very old-fashioned.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: What do you mean I'm old-fashioned?
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: Well, all this stuff about money and owning things.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 12: If you want something, just take it.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: I always do.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Where'd you get this from?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: Home.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 8: Do you go there often?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 12: Sometimes, when I get bored.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: And where does all this other stuff come from?
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 12: That comes from home, too. Daddy's got so much he
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 12: never misses anything.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: You're lucky.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: I've got to get there on my own.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: Get where?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: Right to the top.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 6: Baby Helen Mirren.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 8: You never kind of go wrong with Helen Mirren. Oh,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 8: my God. Not that she's not kind of awesome now,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: but young Helen Mirren is pretty amazing.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: The refrigerator on the roof.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 8: Well, you know they were crazy kids because the statue
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 8: had sunglasses on.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's how you know. They're crazy. That's actually the
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: old American hobo symbol for crazy kids is a statue
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 6: with sunglasses on it.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 8: Oh, wow.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 7: Speaking of sunglasses, though, Arthur Lowe in blackface as Dr.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: Mumba.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 11: I was like, this is.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 8: Again, just when you don't think this movie's going to
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 8: get weirder, you're just like, what the hell is going on?
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: They did know you could get real black people.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 11: And there's one in the room.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 8: This is uncomfortable for you, right? Not just me.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 13: Isn't it kind of less racist that it's not an
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 13: actual black person, that it's a white person being a
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 13: horrible person in general?
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: I don't know, man.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 6: I don't know. That's too much math for me.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: But see, I feel like at that point in time,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 7: that was already socially unacceptable widely. So at that point,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 7: it's a directorial choice that.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 8: Well, and he didn't even want to do it, isn't it?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 8: I was like that Lindsay didn't want... He was uncomfortable
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 8: with that. And it said he was convinced that he
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 8: was persuaded to do it. But I'm like... By who? Like,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 8: it never said who.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: By what logical force?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 8: And it never said what the reason. Like, I'm assuming
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 8: there's some sort of reasoning behind it. Maybe just because.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: He's actually evil.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 11: If I see Malcolm McDowell, I will ask him.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 8: That's what we need to bring out of it.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 12: It also seems like intentionally terrible blackface. It's kind of
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 12: an eggplant color.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, because you can see the big line.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I feel
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 7: like it was almost a directorial choice to do. to
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 7: take you out of the film on purpose.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 11: Like to just, like, whoa. Like a Brechtian artifice.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: I just, whenever I can, I like to say Brechtian artifice.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 8: Just proving the point.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 6: White people are terrible.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 8: But the, I don't know, that was one of the things.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 8: Going through, there is another one that, and it minorly
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: will tie to one of the things I was going
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 8: to have to ask anyway. But I was going back
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: because I remembered I actually talked to Jeremy Bullock years ago.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 6: And again, most people.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 8: the only reason they would know him now most geeks
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 8: in the world is he played Boba Fett but he's
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 8: a British guy he was around at that time so
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 8: he's in at least three Bond movies like anything in
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 8: that area they were just roping you know you're you're
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 8: a British dude come here so he's also in this
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 8: So I do remember going through, and there wasn't much.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 8: We didn't go real in-depth on anything I talked to
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 8: him with. So there's just this one little snippet. So
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: here's your little bonus segment from Jeremy Bullock. But basically,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 8: this was his one thing that he said that struck
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 8: me as odd that I want to go into.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: Well, Oh Lucky Man.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 9: Was, a lot of the critics didn't like it for
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 9: some reason. But it was a moody film, Malcolm McDowell, who,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 9: it's funny enough, I thought I would meet at one
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 9: of these events, which I haven't seen.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: Him for a long time.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 9: And I was really playing his alter ego in three
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 9: situations in the film. I'm a young guy driving a
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 9: sports car and it crashes in a fog, and I'm
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 9: left dead. Then I'm in the hospital, with my head
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 9: grafted onto a pig's body, and then right at the
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 9: end where I look at him with a nod. of
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 9: recognition so i'm the alter ego of him interesting film
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 9: but it can be heavy at times.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 8: So having heard that it's like now what this is
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 8: why i wanted to ask you guys in general this
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 8: is why i wanted to wait and do it at
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 8: least a group session of this is there something bigger
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 8: going on with the playing multiple roles is is it
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 8: just a weird I come from stage, and we're short
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 8: on actors, and we do this, and I think it's interesting.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 8: Is it a more artistic behind-the-scenes choice, or is it
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 8: representing something bigger within the story?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 7: I just took it on the surface level that it's
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 7: supposed to blatantly tell the audience that this is probably
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 7: some fantasy or dream.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 11: Just like in a dream.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 7: You might have people that you know in odd roles
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 7: that doesn't really seem to fit them. I think that
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 7: was sort of the intentionality.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 13: See, I had a completely different takeaway, which was like, oh,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 13: by the way, people are all the fucking same.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 8: That was mine. I was like, is it one of
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 8: those that we come to this point in life and
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 8: you're just like, there's like six or eight people. You know,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 8: and there are variations from there.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: Didn't somebody float this theory?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Well, that was just actors.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah. No, I do it with people.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: But maybe in life, people are just like that. No,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: I do it with people.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah, I know what you are. Yeah, I get it.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 7: But yeah, Rachel Roberts just keeps playing like this very
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 7: licentious woman. And then Arthur Lowe, whether he's in Blackface
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 7: or whether he's at the coffee factory or the mayor,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 7: basically he's this fellow that's sort of in power, but
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: at the same time, like, in between Malcolm McDowell and
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 7: some sort of higher power. He's like the toady in charge.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 7: So everyone who reoccurs in different roles, they're still playing
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 7: essentially the same character because Philip Stone is criticizing him
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 7: when he's the head of the Salvation Army or when
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 7: he thinks he's the Russian spy. They're playing the same person. Yeah,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 7: I can see that.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 8: And that's why I was trying to figure out what having...
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 8: heard him say that i'm like okay so what is
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 8: this alter ego version that at least maybe this is
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 8: how he was playing these characters but looking at it
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 8: the best i came up with was he's like the
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 8: alter ego version of decisions made wrong some sort of
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 8: like future decisions made wrong or a version of how
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 8: the future would go if you make this wrong decision
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 8: because basically he's his three characters along the way he's
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 8: the uh He's the guy in the car that rides
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 8: by in the beginning. So he gives him that kind
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 8: of a smirk of, you know, get the hell out
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 8: of the way, and I'm obviously rich and cool, and
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 8: I'm going to go zipping past you. As you fly
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 8: blindly into your future and don't really take, you know,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 8: pause to figure out what the hell's going on, look
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 8: how badly it ends for you. So I'm like, there's
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 8: a weird lesson that I guess you could take from that.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 8: The next character he plays is Pigman. He is... Okay, yeah,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 8: sell your body to science for a pretty small amount
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 8: of money. I feel like that one's just a, this
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 8: is a dumb move. So that one, there's not much
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 8: else to do with that one. The third, and again,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 8: maybe equally as specific as that first one, is he's
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 8: the guy with the sign at the end of the movie,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 8: want to be a star. So he's the one leading
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 8: him into this. So now you're going to enter into this,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 8: you know, again, assuming that the filmmaking world is evil
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 8: and horrible. He's leading him into this. He's, he's luring
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 8: him down that path. So each one of at least the,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 8: the two on the bookends there are kind of like,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 8: seem like there is some sort of lesson to it.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 8: The middle ones just don't be stupid. So your body
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 8: does science.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 8: That was an interesting three group of people that he
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 8: got to be. I don't know how he drew the
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 8: short straw on these, but like that was an interesting cat.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 8: And it's funny in the credits, it just lists him
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 8: as young man. But he's those three characters.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 7: But they would get him specifically for those three.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 8: Those three, yeah. So that's what, the more I thought,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 8: I'm like, well, is there supposed to be something behind
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 8: these reoccurrences? I get it.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 7: I think it's a practical joke if we try to
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 7: read it.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 8: It probably is.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's a practical joke. I just think
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: it was part of the culture back then. People were
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: always finding these Freudian, underlined, Every meaning was more interesting
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 6: if it was encoded somehow. I think that was just
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 6: something people did. And they would talk about all the
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 6: old masterpieces and they would just make such nonsense out
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 6: of them. What was the director? Zeffirelli said that Mercutio
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 6: was an autobiography of Shakespeare. And I'm like, okay.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: And he he kills himself pretty early in the i
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 6: don't know i don't i don't know the guy i
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: don't i didn't write the thing okay.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 16: But no there's a lot of stuff going on back
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 16: then people did all those weird drawings that symbols that
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 16: were supposed to be this is supposed to represent this
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 16: and we're all stoned.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: And it made a lot more sense you know.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: That actually, if you'd asked Malcolm McDowell about Oh Lucky Man,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: he'd just been like, we were just all so stoned.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 7: And it made so much more sense at the time.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 11: Like that right there.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 8: I thought it was really important, but I don't know now.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: Like when I was 18, I actually wrote the music
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 6: for a sprawling stage show musical thing.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 8: Can we put it on now? Can you dig it out?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: I have part of the script. All right.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 11: We can make this happen.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: It was called Save Yourself for Last, and we did
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: it at Western. I was a freshman, and I had
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: just met these people who had this experimental theater company
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: called the Primal Therapy Coloring Book, and they immediately became
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: my best friends. And the guy who became my best
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: friend was sort of the, the main, he would always
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 6: have something they would do. And like we, we had
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 6: this space called, uh, it was a coffee house called
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: the catacombs up on the hill at Western. And every
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 6: Friday we'd do something. And one time Lynn and Terry did, uh, Oh,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 6: reading from Sam Shepard, cowboy mouth. And they just staged
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: it and it was cool. And then there'd be bands,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: you know, there are always bands doing stuff. And, uh,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: And I became very interested in Lynn, although she was
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 6: living with Terry, who was my best friend at the time.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 6: He immediately, as soon as I met him, became my
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 6: best friend. And so things got really, you know, like
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: they did back in the day. But yeah, he wrote
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 6: this musical. He was a theater major called Save Yourself
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: for Last, and I did the songs for it. And
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 6: I could not sing at all but we had this
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 6: guy robert and he could sing like crazy and so
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 6: he carried a lot of the songs and then um
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: so the girl did yeah i don't know this is
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 6: just like part of my formative years when i was
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: like 17 and 18 can.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 13: You get the rights from terry since you stole his woman.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 8: I don't think there's still a grudge going on he's still.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: You know he's doing theater in um God, it would
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: be bad if I said the wrong Asian country. So
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: I don't want to say, I'm not sure where he is,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 6: but he's doing that.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 7: We've got a president who doesn't know the difference.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 11: You'll be fine.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 6: But I mean, I still know people who know him
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: and I was, you know, I was, but we just
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: sort of drifted apart because we felt awkward around each
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 6: other eventually.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 7: You know, it was just, um, So what you're saying
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 7: is there's no way he'd find out.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 8: Sounds like a plan.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: It wasn't really, you know, it was great that we
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: did that, but it wasn't really a great show. I
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: still know some of the songs. Sort of. Like some
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 6: of them.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 12: Will you sing us one now?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 6: No, I really did the guitar. I sing better now.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 6: I always wanted to sing, but I couldn't sing at
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: all back then. I'd have to go hide somewhere and
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 6: try to learn to sing. And so, like, it's, what,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 6: 30 years later? I can kind of halfway sing now.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: I feel like this is speaking volumes about our impression
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 7: of the movie. It's like any other topic that comes
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 7: up other than the movie, it's like, let's sneak into
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 7: that for a while.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 6: Kind of like that's how the movie was made. It
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: started out, it was going to be a documentary. That
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 6: didn't work out, but we've still got stuff we want
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: to do something with.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 7: We can maybe make it a funny work comedy, but no,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 7: that's not going to.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 6: In a way, it's a document of the process of
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: making a movie. You know, and a lot of ideas
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 6: went into it. They don't all come out where they
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 6: make sense. It may have been a lot of thought
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 6: went into which character actors will play which roles later
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: but I just I don't have the energy to follow
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 6: that I just you know but I do notice that
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: like a lot of actors will be telling sort of
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 6: the same story from movie to movie like I remember
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: noticing Meryl Streep was always kind of had this non-maternal
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 6: thing this sort of Like, she was like, either she
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 6: couldn't have kids or she did have kids, but she
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: had to pick one. Or she was just a character
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: that's not nurturing in some way. And then there are other,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 6: you know, actors sort of do the same thing.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 7: I can actually see that to where it's almost, since
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 7: the film ends with, like, the sort of gag with
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 7: the movie industry, that maybe it's like some underlying joke
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 7: about typecasting.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 8: Hmm. Well, I mean, you just brought up one of
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 8: the things that really occurred to me this time while
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 8: we're talking both Freudian and maternal. Can we talk about
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 8: how every female character he came in contact with had
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 8: a weird maternal, sometimes really maternal take on, but like
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 8: it was always something. There's so many times where everyone
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 8: he came in contact with would kind of like brush
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 8: his hair. Like, he was five years old. Like, it
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 8: would just kind of run it across, like, very lovingly
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 8: run it across his face. Or, like, everything about all
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 8: of the women he came in contact with, there was
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 8: something that, like, it was not a normal relationship. Everything
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 8: seemed super maternal. It, like, seemed very purposefully meant to
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 8: be that way.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: It seems pretty normal to, like. be in the back
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 6: seat of a car and find Helen Mirren under a
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: fur coat.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 11: I wish!
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, that happens.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 13: Or to have an older woman feed you coffee like
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 13: you're a baby bird.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 7: Or it's like, this food isn't for God, or this
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: food's for God, let me feed you.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 8: It's like, what? As if the nursing wasn't enough, but
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 8: that was my, I was like, this is the weirdest
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 8: coffee exchange ever, and I was like, oh my god,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 8: it is a baby bird! Like, it's maternal on a
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 8: weird animal level, so... Even, yeah, even the Helen Mirren,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 8: who's super hot male Helen Mirren, cradles him in a
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 8: weird childlike way that, like, everybody, even, like, the lady
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 8: that come and, like, let him out of the restraints. Like,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 8: everybody was very maternal.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 11: I love that character.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 7: It would have actually just been funny if she just
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 7: kept showing up with her heart.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 11: Just different scenarios.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 6: Cut out some of the filler parts and just have
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 6: her show up and wheel him into the next segment.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 7: That's how he gets out of every predicament. Every predicament,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 7: she just shows up and just somehow gets him out.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 7: That's your solution for everything.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 8: They're about to torture him and she's like, would you
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 8: young men like some tea? She seems completely unfazed that
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 8: they're about to do God knows what at that point.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 7: She's like, oh you boys, you're having fun again.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 8: But you're not getting away with the free cookies, so.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 8: hand over your money like she still charged him no
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 8: matter what that guy's position was you can have tea
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 8: but you gotta pay me for the biscuits what a
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 8: weird world yeah that's a crazy world I just like
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 8: the the post-apocalyptic scene of him wandering in the the
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 8: maybe nuclear blast I never figured out exactly what happened
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 8: But him in his gold shiny suit.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 11: It does kind of have that. Oh, yeah, that gold suit.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 8: That suit's pretty awesome.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 11: You'd already liken it to Monty Python.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 7: I mean, it does very much have sort of that
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 7: Terry Gilliam feel that he even infuses into stuff like Brazil.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I watched some old Monty Python recently because I
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 6: got a movie projector and I started finding old VHS tapes.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 6: And that's just one thing I found. Christ, how well
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 6: they hold up because the production values are garbage. I mean,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 6: they're just like in some little room somewhere trying to
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: be funny. And it's like, that's still pretty good.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 8: They didn't have any money.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 13: It holds up because the stuff they made fun of,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 13: people are still doing. And as long as people stay people,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 13: that'll still be funny.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 8: People are still terrible. Wait, that's kind of the through
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 8: line in this.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 13: I mean, honestly, is it weird that I don't think
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 13: this movie is that weird? Because it's actually pretty straightforward.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 13: Like there's this like young bright eyed kid that goes
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 13: out in the world and he's really excited about the
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 13: idea of capitalism.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 12: He's going to go out and he's going to make
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 12: a buck and.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 13: Then he realizes like, oh, it really is doggy dog
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 13: in like a way that I could be the dog
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 13: being eaten by the dog. And then he's like, I'm
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 13: going to give it all up and I'm going to
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 13: become a humanist. And he's like, wait, humanism sucks too
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 13: because people are assholes and nobody appreciates me. And so
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 13: then he just gives it all up to live a
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 13: life of artifice.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 6: That was so much better than the IMBD. That was just,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 6: I didn't need to like hire you.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I think, yeah, I think that basically
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 8: story structure is there. And then they're like, how many
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 8: other weird things can we shove in the middle of this?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: Well, we need three hours.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 6: They did have the songs. They wanted to do something
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 6: with the song. So, okay, well, I'll write songs that
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 6: go with it. And then they had Helen Mirren. You
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 6: got to do something. Well, let's have a rooftop scene
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 6: with a refrigerator.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 8: Again, I usually ignore most other people's take on things
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 8: because I don't care. That's why I get these groups
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 8: of people together. I'd rather hear what you guys have
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 8: to say. But on Rotten Tomatoes, there was one from
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 8: the opening. It was like in 73 or whatever. They
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 8: had this one that was written up and it was
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 8: pretty impressive. Like it was kind of making these points
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 8: that it has a lot of flash and no real
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 8: underlying theme that it's really pinning down. But it did
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 8: specifically call out the songs and they're like, how the
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 8: songs are actually kind of making the point that the
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 8: movie's not. Like the songs are short and get right
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 8: to the point and tell the, you know, we're watching
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 8: this meandering scene go on forever and then the song
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 8: kicks in and literally says exactly what the scene has
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 8: been supposed to be telling us all along. And I'm like,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 8: that's not bad, actually. Like, he's singing the whole song
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 8: about selling out, and we're watching him do it for
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 8: this entire set of the movie. Tell, tell, tell, tell
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 8: all the people that you care for.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 6: Again, listening as it goes on, I'm like.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 14: It is a very specific way to pin things.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 8: Down with those songs. It is odd, counterbalanced by the
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 8: length and the unfocused.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Nature of the movie.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 8: But yeah, that was the only one I really paid
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 8: attention to just because it was referring to things in
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 8: our modern world and.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 6: It was in like 73.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 8: So it did make me think they had a little
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 8: different take on it than someone sitting here now would have.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it is kind of a period thing
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 6: because there's just an exuberance about being able to make
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 6: a movie that's not like what they at the time
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 6: would have thought of like regular movies. And so, you know, um,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: there's a lot more patience with it that you would
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 6: have when you don't see anything like that. Then we're
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 6: going to have now when we're jaded by being inundated
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 6: with everything. Yeah.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's weird to see now, but I think
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 6: you're right, Lucy. It's not really that weird. It's sort
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 6: of like encapsulates a lot of things that are a
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 6: little dated.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 8: And, um, Well, I think it's trying to be satire.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 8: It's just not very pointed. But see, the thing about
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 8: satire is.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 6: You always have to answer like, well, from what authority
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: are we being taught a lesson? Because satire is always
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 6: a lesson.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 8: I don't think they had a lesson is the thing
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 8: for the satire.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 6: Or the authority to be teaching the lesson.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 8: Um, cause even as you get into the, the, when
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 8: they take him in to be a communist, which by
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 8: the way, why does he confess to being a, was
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 8: he just going along with it? Or did he know
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 8: things were going to explode in a minute? I don't
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 8: know what the plan was there to go ahead and,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 8: or was he a communist?
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of stuff in here that's just, it seems...
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 7: stylistic for the sake of it. And I kind of wonder,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 7: I know that you had so many prominent directors in
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 7: Britain that were coming to rise at the time, like
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 7: Peter Greenaway and Ken Russell. And they all had their
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 7: very distinctive style. Like you can watch a Greenaway film
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 7: and realize like within five minutes that you're watching same
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 7: with Russell. So I kind of wonder if maybe this
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 7: was like, Hey, let's experiment around and see what people
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 7: maybe talk about the most.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 6: And we'll roll with more of that.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 7: You know, like it, that that's kind of an impression
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 7: i kind of took from just the the production of
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 7: it is it felt like a director searching for his
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 7: own trademark style but not really finding it at least.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 6: There's also an element of collaboration which is sort of
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: like illegal to our Our sense of authorship.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 8: And you lose focus. So maybe that's why this part
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 8: seems like it actually has a point to make. And
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 8: then we change scenes and it's like, oh, okay, now
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 8: we've lost that and we're on an entirely different thing.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 8: So maybe you did need someone in charge a little
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 8: more story-wise, even direction-wise. Maybe he did give a little
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 8: too much freedom to Malcolm and the other writer and
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 8: like all these other people getting involved. And maybe even
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 8: as the actors are changing hands and bringing different things
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 8: each time. So maybe it needed a little more focus
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 8: a little more of an iron fist too many cooks
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 8: in the kitchen yeah that could be part but i
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 8: feel like all that that's what i was saying with
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 8: that that scene like i feel like when we get
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 8: to him being taken into the to the the the
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 8: war facility whatever weird nuclear place they're at like Again,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 8: it seems like that's what reminded me when you were
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 8: talking about Brazil. That part feels like, okay, he's going
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 8: to make fun of the government. It feels like it
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 8: wants to address something, but I don't know what it's saying.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 8: And then we get to the hospital, and it's like, okay,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 8: here's the bureaucracy of this little hospital and the testing.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 8: But no, he just jumps out a window, and we
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 8: don't really ever get to the point of it. So
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 8: I feel like there's all of these things along the
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 8: way that they set it up fine, but And then
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 8: don't ever really have the pointed part of the satire
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 8: to actually figure out what they're trying to say.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 6: It reminds me a little bit of the movie Shortcuts,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 6: which adapted all the Raymond Carver stories and then just
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 6: fucked them up. One right after another. Let's take this
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 6: story that once we get the exposition done. Let me
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 6: just say fuck it and start another one. In the end,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 6: we'll have an earthquake and just tie it all together
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 6: like a garbage bag.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 8: We didn't have an earthquake. Of all the other things
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 8: we had in this movie, we didn't ever really get
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 8: an earthquake. We had, again, some sort of large explosion
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 8: that I'm not really sure what all went wrong.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 7: That would actually work well for the IMDb description too.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 7: This film starts and then just says, oh, fuck it.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 8: There's a lot of movies I feel like that could
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 8: be the breakdown for it. So I don't know. In
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 8: the end, what are we supposed to take from this?
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 12: Everything sucks.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 8: That's half of mine is by the end because you
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 8: even do. You see how, well, obviously, she describes how
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 8: evil her father is. And then we see him like
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 8: screw him over, which that's a whole nother side note here. Again,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 8: like I feel like there are points they're trying to
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 8: make and I don't even know exactly what they're saying.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 8: Something about documents are ruining the world. He signs documents.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 8: four different scenes he specifically signs documents and in the
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 8: end that's what screws him over that's what he ends
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 8: up doing.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 7: Because he does he does never sign documents he signs
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 7: over everything or he signs himself over for like 140
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 7: quid it.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 8: Was well first he signs to be a communist he's
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 8: saying yeah to confession actually does he i'm trying to
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 8: remember just Does.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 7: He sign something at the factory before he goes.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 11: Off on the job?
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 6: I went back to check.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 8: I was like, I feel like they would have, but no.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 6: God, you do your homework, man. That's crazy.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 8: We're addressing a really large movie here. I know where
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 8: we're going. But no, so I would have expected them
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 8: to be like, sign here and get your coffee beans.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 8: But they didn't actually. He gave them his card. I'm
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 8: a coffee seller.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 8: I do like he gives him a map and a
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 8: compass like he's an adventurer. He says an adventurer.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 11: I even made a note of it.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 7: One of my favorite things when he first sits down
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: and they're talking about his territory, like suddenly this map
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 7: slides out.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 11: They've already got it pre-built.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 8: Again, he feels like he is sort of an adventurer.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 8: He's a secret agent of some sort.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 6: He didn't start the company, but in a way, like
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 6: the early part of capitalism, you are an adventurer. You're
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 6: trying to make something happen. And then later, you know,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: you die and your kids inherit all the wealth and
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 6: they're not adventurers. They're just penny pinchers. They're just trying
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: to ride it out. And so you lose the spirit
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: of life that it began with. It gets, like, corrupted
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 6: along the way. So, I mean, if they're trying to
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 6: make it an allegory about capitalism, I mean, there are
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 6: at least some elements of things.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 7: You get that, like, within the factory when he's... I
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 7: don't think the credits were even over when he makes
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 7: a joke about how they're selling the Nicaraguan coffee back
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: to Nicaragua.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it seemed like he knew a little bit about
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 6: the coffee business, having been a salesman. That's interesting. Like,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 6: you know, we're still someday going to make our movie
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 6: about the job we used to work.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 9: At, right?
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 8: It's coming, don't you worry. That is how they reference it.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 8: Anytime you do see anything written about this, it's always
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 8: listed as being some sort of comment or statement on capitalism.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 8: Which I'm like, I think that's in there, but I don't...
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 8: Everybody puts all their stock in like, that's what this
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 8: is about. I don't think it is. I think that's
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 8: part of one of those things they wanted to address,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 8: and then they really never pin that down either.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 7: That's sort of a superficial look at some components of it.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 6: It seems like maybe it In the early stages, it
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 6: was setting out to be that.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 8: It might have been.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 6: But then it found other things to do.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 8: Well, and it really tries to make other statements, too.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 8: Because when he gets to prison, and we get that
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 8: five minute, like, it just kind of talks down to
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 8: you about, like, here's how prisons work. You guys need
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 8: to learn how useful it is to rebuild your life. Like,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 8: it really is over explaining what's going on there and
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 8: has a very pointed view. The only time it kind
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 8: of makes a point. is like prisons rehabilitate people and
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 8: they really are great. I'm like, have you been to
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 8: a prison?
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 12: I thought that was jocular. I thought that was like
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 12: the nudge nudge. That's not what they.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 8: Do at all. It doesn't ever really deliver on that.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 8: He comes out actually changed. Again, he changes with every mode.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 6: So again, it sets off somewhere, and then it goes and.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 8: Changes to an entire different thing.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 7: Well, and I didn't even know, too, because between If
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: and This, he'd made A Clockwork Orange, which was very
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 7: much kind of focused on the theme. Is that just
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: supposed to be a wink to the audience of.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 18: about his role in Clockwork Orange given that he shows
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 18: up at the end and oh you're an actor and
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 18: they break the fourth wall anyway I.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 8: Mean they did hide little references I think Alex's name
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 8: is on his coffee list of customers I think when
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 8: the guy strapping him down to the chair that's a
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 8: little Clockwork Orange like he refers to the other guy
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 8: as Stanley Kubrick there's another one wasn't the.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 6: Actor who played Dem also in the movie somewhere.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 7: Um, the one who's interrogating him, Philip Stone, he was
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 7: a Kubrick regular because he's, when he goes back home,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 7: it's Philip Stone plays his father in Clockwork Orange. And
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 7: he's also the same fellow who plays, um, what was
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 7: his name? Grundy, I think the, the ghost axe murderer
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 7: in The Shining.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 8: But yeah, so I mean, it's, it's definitely got all
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 8: these things it's trying to do. So that was my thing. Like, wait,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 8: I mean, you get to the weird prison scene and
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 8: it's got some sort of approach that it's trying to do.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 8: You get out. He seems to be legitimately changed if
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 8: we're buying that he has any sort of arc from
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 8: one scene to the next. And then like, once again,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 8: like you were saying immediately, you know, we've watched these
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 8: evil businessmen screw him over, sign this and we're going
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 8: to send you away for everything. So he comes out
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 8: and he wants to help the poor and the poor
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 8: people try to kill him. So, People are horrible is
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 8: the main through line. So by the end, when they're
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 8: trying to pretend like the theme really is more about
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 8: enjoy the little things and that you don't overthink things
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 8: and enjoy your day-to-day life, because I think that really
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 8: is part of that basic structure because they even bother to... Again,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 8: the weird things they drop in the radio while he's
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 8: driving around, the fact that they specifically spell out what
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 8: Zen is and how... that every moment of your life
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 8: is supposed to be as important. You're supposed to... That
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 8: is kind of where it came back to that weird
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 8: Forrest Gump thing of you're supposed to appreciate every moment
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 8: of your life. And I'm like, is that what we're
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 8: supposed to be applying to this? So that stuff is
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 8: all in there.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 11: Or it's just that life.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 7: Our day-to-day lives are just filled with absurdities, absurd people,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: absurd scenarios, but instead we're too focused on playing the
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 7: role that is us.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 8: Trying to win the game as he is in the
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 8: beginning there. He's so gung-ho.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, any day you're going out in the public, you're
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 7: not acting like you. You're acting like the role of
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 7: you that you want other people to view.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 8: The weird smile that he has at the beginning.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 6: I wish I could get somebody else to play me, though.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 8: You're the casting agent.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 6: Get on this.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 8: Who is kind of like you? So.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 8: Don't have that one, do you?
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 6: I had.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, Dem is in the movie. The guy who
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 6: played Dem was Warren Clark, and he's also in A
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 6: Lucky Man as the Master of Ceremonies at the Night Spot.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 6: And he was also Warner and the Male Nurse. So,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 6: that's Dem, who really was Dem.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 8: So, I don't know.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 6: I think.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 8: It has a lot of things I think you're supposed
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 8: to take from it, and I'm not sure if I
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 8: buy into any of them.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 6: Should we make this episode a trilogy and get together
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 6: and do If?
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 8: We can?
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 13: I actually watched If in boarding school assigned by my
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 13: history teacher. And that didn't strike me as being that
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 13: weird at the time.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 11: Or that ironic at the time.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 12: Now it really, really disturbs me.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 8: That's hilarious. You didn't follow through with the plan. He
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 8: was setting you up.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 6: He was like, come on.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 8: Take care of this place for me, would you?
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 7: Well, if kind of falls into the category of this
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 7: movie for me to wear it with both of them,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 7: I would.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 6: Just say, yeah, I've seen it.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 7: You know, it's, they've, Both of them have their unique
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 7: moments to them, but neither one is something that grabs
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 7: me and says, re-watch this, pick it apart. Oh, Lucky
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 7: Man would be the type of movie to where I
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 7: could have it on in the background at a party
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 7: and have it on mute forever. And every now and
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 7: then somebody glances over and they're like.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 11: What's happening over there?
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 7: And after we kind of stare for two minutes, oh, well,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 7: we go back to the conversation.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 11: That's the type of movie it is.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 6: That's a good kind of movie, though. Because a lot
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 6: of times it's a fun thing to do at a
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 6: party is have something on that you just, oh, yeah,
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 6: look at that part.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 8: Isn't that dim? Yeah.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 6: Another movie that was good for that was Wild at Heart.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 6: It's really fun if you're just milling about and it's, oh,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 6: there's that thing.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 11: A lot of Lynch would work for that.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 7: Haosu, the Obayashi one, that's a good one to have
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 7: on in the background, too.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 8: And it is one of those that changes every seven
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 8: minutes into another movie. Like, it literally does every style
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 8: of filmmaking. Like, it constantly changes even the direction and the, like,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 8: the aspect of what it's trying to do. Yeah. Everything
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 8: about that changes. This at least pretends like it's on
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 8: a through line, but it's a little more confusing because
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 8: I think you don't just throw the rules out the window.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 6: Every seven minutes.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 8: You're trying to follow this character and it becomes a
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 8: little more frustrating maybe.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 6: The silent films can keep a story going. You can
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 6: still talk and watch them. That's fine.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 8: That was another weird choice. We had like two of
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 8: those within this. As he falls off the building, it
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 8: becomes a silent movie again after our intro.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure what the point of that was.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 8: And why he's like impervious to long falls because he
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 8: jumps from like the that's at least the second or
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 8: third story in the hospital and.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 11: He's fine through a glass window.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 8: Through a glass window and is not a scratch on
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 8: him the suit still looks good always but the uh
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 8: yeah when you get to the the building there that's
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 8: like at least the fifth floor that that pipe breaks
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 8: from right like he's way up there on that building and.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 7: Well, you mentioned actually now him jumping through that window
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 7: with the suit. I'm trying to remember because the fellow
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 7: who made the suit for him just kept spouting out
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 7: weird non sequiturs.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 8: I'm trying to die like a dog. Yeah, like that
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 8: was one.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 11: But I'm trying to remember.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 7: Wasn't there one to where I know he said, like,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 7: you'll always be warm in the suit. Was there anything
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 7: having to do with like?
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 6: Falling out of a glass window.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 7: Or just hinting at some sort of odd special powers
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 7: to the suit or the fabric it was made from.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 8: Though Perseus has given his gifts to give him these superpowers.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 6: I think it is possible because I think Mike Birbiglia
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 6: did that. At a La Quinta hotel one time. He
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 6: was like sleepwalking and had this like waking dream that
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 6: there was a missile aimed at him. And so he
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 6: like jumped out the window, but the window was closed. Yeah.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 12: That was just the second floor, though.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 6: What, was he in the third floor? I didn't count
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 6: the floors.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 7: I was still lost in the pig man imagery.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 8: When you see a giant furry pig man, you know.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 7: I didn't know if it was supposed to be a pig,
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 7: or the doctor kept talking about human beings and dinosaurs,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 7: so I didn't know if it was supposed to be, like,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 7: A humanoid dinosaur. It's just a flesh-colored dinosaur.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 8: That's another one of those that that scene seems like
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 8: it's really trying to be a satire of something and
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 8: they never really decide what. There's some really good setups
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 8: here that nobody came in and did the punchline.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 7: Are pigs just fleshy dinosaurs?
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 8: Furry, too. It was pretty furry.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 6: That was furry for a pig.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was pretty furry as pigs.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: Like a boar?
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah, a wild boar with Jeremy's head on it. hmm
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 8: so yeah that was this has been a long time
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 8: coming maybe.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 7: Maybe that was an allegory for the film it's like
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 7: yes it's shocking at points but it's just a bore yeah.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 8: All right is there anything have we pieced anything together
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 8: from this uh people.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 7: Are horrible we've concluded it's like Can we talk about
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 7: the film as long as it ran? Probably not.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 8: We do that most episodes of this show, actually.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 11: But this one, I think, would be it.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 8: We should probably just wrap it up. I'm glad it's
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 8: finally come together. It took quite a while.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 6: To put this one together. So this has been a
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 6: quest for you. You had that thing you wanted occasion
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 6: to use it.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 8: The stars were aligning. We were all in a room
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 8: at the same time. I'm like, all right, we're throwing
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 8: it out there.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 7: I at least say to the listeners, like, don't take
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 7: this episode as don't watch it.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 11: I would say at least give it a watch.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 6: But.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 8: I'm glad I've seen it. Again, because it's so... I'm
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 8: always thrilled with these, like, what the hell is it movies?
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 8: You know? Like, this certainly falls into that category.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 7: It's got to be one of those movies where when
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 7: I talk with friends, I'll be like, so have you
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 7: seen this?
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 8: Have you seen this?
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because it is one of those movies. It's not
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 7: something where it's like, I'm going to go out and
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 7: buy it. But it's just, have you seen this?
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 8: This is.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 6: I don't think I'm going to be able to repeat
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 6: whole scenes of dialogue.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 8: No. You just need to work on it a little more.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 6: I can with some movies. It's a search movie. It's
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 6: not a quest movie.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 8: You're searching for meaning. It's going for.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 6: It's looking for something to go for.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 7: The whole movie, he never really finds anything unless you
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 7: count him becoming the actor at the end. Finding maybe
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 7: his callings.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 6: But then that movie would just be like the last
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 6: 15 minutes. Guy on a street sees a sign and says.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 8: Sounds good. I want to be a star.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 8: Well, and that's, I've seen that.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 6: It took him all that time to get to the
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 6: point where he goes, Well, I don't know. Nothing else worked.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 6: I'll try acting.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 8: It's rare that I feel like this happens now, but
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 8: I do feel like at the time I saw that
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 8: move played way more times where it becomes, okay, I
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 8: don't really know how to end this. So let's just
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 8: kind of make it sort of a, we're just watching
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 8: the wrap party now. Like this is just everybody from
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 8: the cast that you've been watching, hanging out, having a party. Again,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 8: I don't know if that's, really part of the grand
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 8: structure from the beginning not even with this movie but
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 8: anytime i've seen it or if it's i don't know
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 8: let's just end this thing like i'm out of ideas
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 8: let's just wrap this up and especially with the running
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 8: time on this how many three years that they spent
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 8: making this.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 7: When you were doing your homework was it the wrap
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 7: party for a lucky man or was it the wrap
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 7: party for.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 8: If i think it's just a staged version but i
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 8: mean everything around them says the name of this movie
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 8: it doesn't okay it shows him with the gun in
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 8: the books but it still says that they're casting this
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 8: and it is funny that our director plays the director
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 8: of the movie so it does yeah again the snake
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 8: eats its own tail at this point so but I
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 8: do feel like that could be in any movie that
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 8: plays that card I feel like that could be a
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 8: cop out of like I don't know I just don't
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 8: feel like well right in the end of this movie
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 8: so let's just make it.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 6: Metafiction was having its day in the sense yeah I was.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 7: Gonna say because I mean Holy Mountain ends the same
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 7: way but it works better for that yeah you know
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 7: Because it almost becomes like the whole grand joke of
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 7: it all. It's like, oh, we're going to see this great,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 7: you know, oh, no, it's just back out and just
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 7: face reality.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 6: There is no holy anything.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 7: It becomes like a practical joke.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 11: To the viewer.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 7: This, it's like, if that's there, it's very muddled and
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 7: not clear.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 8: None of it can do it quite as awesome.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 5: As the Muppet movie.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 13: Now that I'm thinking about it just ending on a
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 13: dance party, all I can think about is that Peggy
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 13: Lee song where all these terrible things happen.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 12: Then it's like, oh, is that all there is? If
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 12: that's all there is, my friend, let's keep dancing.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 8: Let's keep making this movie. Three more hours. Okay. If
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 8: we stop, we'll realize people are horrible.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 12: Yeah, so let's just throw a dance party.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 8: Let's just have a dance party and shoot more of
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 8: this movie.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 7: Which actually, when I first looked up the time... the
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 7: internet gives you five hours, 28 minutes. I'm like, oh,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 7: that can't be right.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 11: That can't be right.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 8: I saw that too. That was terrifying.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 11: So I'm actually.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 7: Wondering, I actually wonder if, what if that was the
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 7: original runtime before he cut it? Like maybe he screened
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 7: it at 528 or something.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 12: That would just be.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 8: They have, again, everybody had the suicide when he falls
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 8: off the building, right? Because supposedly in the American version,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 8: when it first came here, they cut that out. And
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 8: I think it was, I'm assuming just time wise, but yeah, every,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 8: Everything I've seen since then, I think it goes back in,
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 8: but that was the one, it made a few little
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 8: snips depending on what country you ended up in, but
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 8: specifically the American version had that whole part cut out.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 8: Which I guess is really weird when we enter the
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 8: silent film and he's asking about the dead woman and
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 8: which I don't.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 7: Think that anyone would judge me for like looking at
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 7: the time while watching it because within the movie I
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 7: one of my favorite little moments was after the two
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 7: fellows fell out of the window at the business and
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 7: it's like alright we're going to give 15 seconds silence
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 7: and the one guy at the.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 8: End is like looking at his watch like man is this.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 13: I like that i forgot about that there was a
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 13: ton of falling out of windows.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 6: Yes a lot of a lot of defenestration in this movie.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 8: Those guys did not just get up and keep going
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 8: on with the movie but that is the best i
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 8: have no i thought.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 6: That was the deftest storytelling was when he he showed
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 6: up like trying to i'm worried about your daughter then
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 6: his assistant falls out the window it's like okay, I'll
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 6: get that for you.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 8: He just hands him the binder. Yeah.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 8: That's the best way to get a job ever.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 6: Really? That's my new assistant.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 8: At that point, I kind of like, it would have
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 8: been a little funnier as they go out the window.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 8: He's like, So you'll be looking for a new assistant.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 8: Which I like.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 7: Which I like the 15 second silence weren't for the assistant.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 7: The 15 second silence were for the professor that he
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 7: clearly just let go.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 6: No, the assistant didn't get. Assistants don't get 15 seconds.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 8: They get set up to go to prison. That's what
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 8: they did.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 7: Oh, my fall guy fell. So now I need a
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 7: new fall guy.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 6: I need a new fall guy.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 8: But yeah, that's, I don't know.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 6: That's another one of those weird, weird moments.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 8: That is kind of the most interesting little stretch there.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 8: It feels like that's also part of what it probably
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 8: was supposed to be at one time is focusing more
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 8: on him. Maybe when it was more of the business
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 8: world end of it, but because it follows a very specific, like, okay,
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 8: here's this girl. And obviously she doesn't want anything to
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 8: do with her dad's money, but she kind of uses
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 8: him for it anyway. And then him like you, like
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 8: being super like gung ho about it. Just because he's
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 8: kind of confident and resourceful, he gets himself in the room,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 8: he gets himself a job. So if it did kind
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 8: of follow that structure, it would have been more of
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 8: an interesting satire of business had we followed that road.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 8: But instead, we immediately go off and do something else
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 8: 10 minutes later.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 7: And that's just really the whole film. Every 10 to
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 7: 15 minutes, it would do something and be like, Oh,
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 7: that's really clever. I like that.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 11: And then it would pass.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 8: Now it's gone.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 11: All right.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 7: This is still going.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 11: Oh, that's cool.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 7: And it was just, like I said, you could just
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 7: have it playing in the background and come in and
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 7: little moments will grab you.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 6: But just sitting through all three hours.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 8: I didn't hate it, but it's... That is the thing
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 8: I was thinking, being in the world we are now,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 8: as they kept referencing the modern day, as we fast
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 8: forward to now, would this work better as, like, a
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 8: Netflix series? If you could actually take, because this three-hour
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 8: sitting is so, like, such an endurance.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 6: No.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 8: I'm like, if you.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 6: It would have to be, like. structured into coherent.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 12: I was like, it has to be better.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 7: I'll say, if you cut this into three-hour pieces and
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 7: it stopped at the first hour, I'd stop there. I
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 7: kept watching because I'm like, okay, I just want to
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 7: know what payoff am I going to get?
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 8: Because we're getting these series now that are keeping the
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 8: same cast and telling an entirely new story, if each
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 8: episode it takes a whole new thing, and again, if
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 8: it was a little better written and actually had some
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 8: sort of focus... or satire, or something it was doing,
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 8: I feel like this concept could work better in the
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 8: smaller doses. I think you wouldn't have to focus so
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 8: much on this overwhelming theme and this through line of
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 8: one guy. You could just bring all these characters back,
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 8: have them become new characters next week, or the next season,
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 8: or however. I think there's a better way to structure
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 8: something like this.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 7: In that sense, I'm actually fine with it all being
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  Speaker 7: one piece, just because.
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  Speaker 7: If it is, like Fred was best saying, it's a
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  Speaker 7: wandering film. I don't want to just like, all right,
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to watch him wander for an hour. And
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  Speaker 7: now I'll come back to him wandering.
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  Speaker 6: It's kind of like you get halfway if you swim
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  Speaker 6: halfway across the ocean.
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  Speaker 11: You get tired, but you think.
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  Speaker 17: I'm not going to turn around and swim back. I
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  Speaker 17: can't rewind it. I've got to go there, wherever it's going,
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  Speaker 17: see what happens.
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  Speaker 7: Or it's like any time you're waiting for something, whether
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 7: you're waiting for a roller coaster or what have you,
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  Speaker 7: it's like, shit, I've been waiting for an hour now.
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  Speaker 6: I'm invested.
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  Speaker 8: I'm invested.
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  Speaker 7: It's like I could just get out of line, but
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 7: I've been in line for an hour.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: I gotta see this through.
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  Speaker 6: Determined.
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  Speaker 8: That's, we've made it through. This was our long process. Alright.
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  Speaker 8: Any final thoughts on this?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I can do, like, relate this to why I
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 6: don't like Billy Joel, but it'll take, like, 30 minutes, so.
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  Speaker 8: I think that's its own separate episode somewhere.
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  Speaker 7: Down the line, so.
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  Speaker 8: Otherwise, I think that about does it. We shall return
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  Speaker 8: next time. Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 10: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Stay the lucky way. Because all around and on and
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: on we go. And it's around the world in circles, turning,
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  Speaker 1: burning what we can't understand. So it is the chance.
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  Speaker 11: To light your way.
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  Speaker 6: So let's.
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  Speaker 1: And if you find the reason to live on and
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  Speaker 1: not to die, you are a lucky man. You know
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: the preachers and the poets and the scholars don't know it.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: And the temples and statues and steeples don't show it.
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  Speaker 8: If you've got the secret, just try.
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  Speaker 11: Not to blow it.
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  Speaker 1: Stay a lucky man.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, stay a.
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  Speaker 11: So it's on! I've not been on any.
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  Speaker 6: Quests. I've just been aimlessly wandering.
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  Speaker 8: What I realize is.
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  Speaker 6: I use my quests to keep myself from confronting the
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 6: fact that I'm aimlessly wandering. It makes me feel like
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 6: I have a destination. And then when I finally find something,
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, I'm back to just being lost on
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 6: a planet again.
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