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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 8-5-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Heb me hoped. Everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven and ninety
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  Speaker 2: two n f M.
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  Speaker 1: Happy to be with you. Fun show lined up for you.
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  Speaker 2: Phil Steele, publisher of the Phil Steel College Football Preview.
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  Speaker 1: He is going to join us in half an hour.
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  Speaker 2: We've got Sammy Mora jumping on right after post practice
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  Speaker 2: availability assistant coaches today. Sammy will be joining us at
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  Speaker 2: one o'clock. Delawn Wright, the former running ute, longtime NBA veteran,
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  Speaker 2: and will be a twenty twenty six inductee into the
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  Speaker 2: Utah Athletics Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna join us at one thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Looking forward to that conversation with Delan coming up here
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  Speaker 2: as we get closer to the end of the show
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  Speaker 2: that'll be at one thirty. Utah Football in Action sound
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  Speaker 2: is available at ESPN seven hundred sports dot Com on
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  Speaker 2: the ESPN seven hundred app. We'll probably bring back some
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  Speaker 2: of yesterday's sound for you at noon if we're not
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  Speaker 2: already in possession of today's sound, which I don't think
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  Speaker 2: we will be if I remember my junk mail properly.
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  Speaker 2: My junk mail, of course, is the official correspondence and
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  Speaker 2: it's eleven thirty to twelve, so we're not going to
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  Speaker 2: have it quite in time. Let's see, we've got some
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  Speaker 2: some more junk mail today. This is what the schedule
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  Speaker 2: is going to look like for you if you are
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  Speaker 2: attending home games, all right, September third home opener, we're
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  Speaker 2: doing stripe the stadium, all right, so it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: red and white, section by section. That is the must
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  Speaker 2: appreciation game as well, so must T shirts and such.
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  Speaker 2: All of you xenials and millennials and.
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  Speaker 1: Jen alphas. Are we on Gen alpha?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 4: Is that we're on?
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember. I think we might be on Gen Alpha.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the youngest one. I don't I have
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  Speaker 2: a hard time. Was it Jeni at one point too?
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know. I truly have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: All of you kids that have a hard time keeping
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  Speaker 2: your attention span dialed in for the entire football game,
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  Speaker 2: well you are the muss and we appreciate you, and
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  Speaker 2: we we love the fact that that is the one
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  Speaker 2: time in life that you're able to put down your phones,
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  Speaker 2: so must appreciation or you know, watch the game through
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  Speaker 2: your phone while you're documenting you being in the stands. Whatever,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you do, whatever it is you do, we love that.
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  Speaker 2: We appreciate it. Stripe in the stadium for must appreciation.
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  Speaker 2: That is the home opener against Idaho the following weekend
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  Speaker 2: as Arkansas comes to town for a rare sec trip
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  Speaker 2: to the mountains. That is a red out and that
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  Speaker 2: is the Ring of Honor induction of the legend mister
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  Speaker 2: Utah football, Eric Weddle. That's a good one. Get your
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  Speaker 2: butts there half an hour early and make sure you
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  Speaker 2: don't miss anything. I think redout's a good choice for
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  Speaker 2: that too, to coincide with the great Ring of Honor induction.
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  Speaker 2: After percent, he's a traditionalist and read on red on
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  Speaker 2: Red is Utah's best look. So red out for and
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  Speaker 2: you know I wouldn't be surprised if he asked for that.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, because remember when we had
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  Speaker 2: him on the show after the announcement of his Ring
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  Speaker 2: of Honor induction. Uh, he said, I wanted to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that they weren't putting me into this thing against Idaho.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted it to be a real opponent, a real game.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm I'm coming to town, if I'm doing the thing,
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  Speaker 2: I want it to be a real game. So uh,
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  Speaker 2: maybe he also was just like, also, I want you
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  Speaker 2: to wear red. Also, yeah, put a number thirty two
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  Speaker 2: patch on every one of the jersey.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'll bet he had some influence on on it being
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  Speaker 2: a redout, absolutely. And you know the other thing is like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, I'm only going to be there for
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  Speaker 2: like maybe twenty four hours because I've because I'll have
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  Speaker 2: just coached a Friday night football game against a Utah
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  Speaker 2: school but in San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So, and then he's and then he's gotta be
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  Speaker 1: worthwhile for him.
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  Speaker 2: And shortly after that he's flying to watch his young
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  Speaker 2: his met waughter, his middle daughter compete in an international
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  Speaker 2: acrobatics competition.
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  Speaker 1: So that's right, the man's right. Yeah, he's got a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Going on September nineteenth, YOUTE Proud game, and that will
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  Speaker 2: coincide with the Hall of Fame. So at halftime you'll
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  Speaker 2: have the YOUT Proud performance and you'll have Delon Wright
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  Speaker 2: and company, who are the inductees. Smee Beatles is going in,
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  Speaker 2: Delon Wright is going in. You've got Daria Bijacks going in, right,
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  Speaker 2: You've got the softball team from nineteen ninety one. So
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  Speaker 2: remember coach coach told us that there was what fourteen
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  Speaker 2: players on the team. I wonder if all of them
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  Speaker 2: will be there? She said, all of them are coming
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  Speaker 2: on the field.
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  Speaker 1: That'll be that'll be really cool.
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  Speaker 2: All of them. I mean Schammel, Chamel Green is already
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  Speaker 2: she'll she'll be there. She's there every week working for
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  Speaker 2: the athletic department. Shout out to Charmel. But coach Jamie
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  Speaker 2: Hogue said, there's there's only fourteen rosters and just the
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  Speaker 2: quick aside. My aunt played college softball in California, and
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  Speaker 2: I told you off air. We had a recent family
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  Speaker 2: get together and I told her about this fifty six
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  Speaker 2: inning doubleheader and she her jaw dropped right and I
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  Speaker 2: was telling her, hey, it was only like a thirty
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  Speaker 2: minute break or twenty minute break between games. One pitcher
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  Speaker 2: may have pitched over fifty innings. And she's like, that
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  Speaker 2: sounds like nineteen ninety one. That's that's there's no way
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  Speaker 2: that could have been any more recent than that. Absolutely, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there's you're not getting away with that these days. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we look forward to to that, to the Hall of
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  Speaker 2: Fame game. It's October game by the way too, so
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  Speaker 2: good time to flex your muscle. It'll be like, here's
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  Speaker 2: our Hall of Famer's aggies. October tenth, Kansas. How about
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  Speaker 2: this to be announced? Dot dot dot mm so to me,
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  Speaker 2: that screams a couple of possibilities, the strongest of which
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  Speaker 2: is hand painted helmets. That is one of the big
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  Speaker 2: rollout things that Utah football does, that the Utah equipment
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  Speaker 2: staff does, and usually they try to keep it under
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  Speaker 2: wraps for a little while. So October tenth, Kansas to
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  Speaker 2: be announced also possibly blackout. Maybe that that's what they're reserving.
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  Speaker 2: If that's a If that ends up being a night game,
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  Speaker 2: which the kickoff time has not been announced, that would
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  Speaker 2: be the second strong possibility, a blackout game for that.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe you do both. Maybe it's a hand painted blackout.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you double up on it. October twenty fourth
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  Speaker 2: against Houston Homecoming and Parent Family Weekend. That is one
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  Speaker 2: of the tougher matchups on the schedule. Again, it's one
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  Speaker 2: you're glad to have at home. Arizona and TCU on
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  Speaker 2: the road. Yikes, BYU at home. That's a that's a
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  Speaker 2: tough stretch for Utah football. The November seventh game against
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  Speaker 2: BYU will also be a redout, which is the correct decision.
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  Speaker 1: BYU. Typically you go home and home.
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  Speaker 2: Typically it'll be Utah in their red and BYU in
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  Speaker 2: their royal blues. And that is a visually appealing game
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  Speaker 2: on the television set.
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  Speaker 1: It's the right thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: Red on red on red for Utah, blue on blue
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  Speaker 2: on blue for BYU. It's the best look and the
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  Speaker 2: and I'm you know BYU fans that make it in
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  Speaker 2: the ricycle stadium. I hope you're going blue out as well,
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  Speaker 2: just for that aesthetic too, that'd be I hope they
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  Speaker 2: I hope they all do the kilane as Jerem Jordan
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  Speaker 2: has called it, where they wear uh some navy and
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  Speaker 2: some royal. Yeah, it's just kind of like a little disjointed.
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  Speaker 2: I hope everyone does it. I hope they're all wearing
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  Speaker 2: their braided belts. It's just and whatever whatever the fashion
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  Speaker 2: time warp they got stuck in.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's one thing that is that is a very
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  Speaker 2: BYU fan thing. When I think of BYU fans, I
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  Speaker 2: think of guys of all different ages who are still
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  Speaker 2: wearing the fashion of their prime. That's something that is
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  Speaker 2: quintessentially Utah County and quint essentially b Yu.
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  Speaker 1: You get it's a.
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  Speaker 2: Braided belt growing up going to church. I definitely did, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: and I think I used to make fun of it
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  Speaker 2: until I got old enough that I also was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is also me now, Like braided belt guy with
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  Speaker 2: your jeworts. I used to make fun of the fact that,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I was going to BYU games and
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  Speaker 2: Utah games, and I was watching BYU football games in
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  Speaker 2: like the twenty tens, and there was all these guys
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  Speaker 2: that were in their thirties and forties that were wearing
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  Speaker 2: Ksewiss sneakers and braided belts and looking like, you know whatever,
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  Speaker 2: the fashion TimewARP of the the years when they left
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  Speaker 2: on their mission or right when they got back home
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  Speaker 2: from their mission, like their prime.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what. That's just something that people do, right,
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  Speaker 1: And then he got love for my shoes k Swiss.
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  Speaker 2: And then and then I realized like, oh, yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: just happens to you at some point when you become
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  Speaker 2: like an old random dad and you're like, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: gonna wear whatever and it's comfortable for me. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not buying any new clothes. I'm spending all that
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  Speaker 2: on the kids. So yeah, that's that's a very BYU think,
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  Speaker 2: and it's one of the things that you'll see less
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  Speaker 2: of at rices Eco Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: You'll see more of at Lavelle Edwards Stadium. But it's great.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, that guy graduated high school in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety eight. I can tell by what he's wearing right now,
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  Speaker 2: that guy early two thousands, that guy twenty fifteen, that guy,
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  Speaker 2: he's a he's a he's a young kid, so he's
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  Speaker 2: wearing like the the same stuff that the guy at.
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  Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety eight is wearing.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's just the thing because that got nineties
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  Speaker 2: fashions coming back around, for sure, so.
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  Speaker 1: That'll be fun.
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  Speaker 2: It's also military appreciation. It'd be kind of cool to
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  Speaker 2: see a little red Camo stripe on the uniform. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not trying to like maybe not be full not full camo.
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  Speaker 2: We know what those were, those digital camo jerseys against
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  Speaker 2: TCU or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: We're not doing that, could it be.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd want this actually with the
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  Speaker 2: with the traditional redout on when the uniforms two OC,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe I was about to say maybe a camo helmet,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know if I want that. You want
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  Speaker 2: the red helmet?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if it was.
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  Speaker 2: Not a b YU game for military appreciation, I'd be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: go ahead, do your thing. It's kind of like when
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame does the Shamrock series game where they once
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  Speaker 2: a year they wear the Shamrock series uniforms and you're
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  Speaker 2: just like, all right, you can have one week a
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  Speaker 2: year where it's time for Notre Dame to experiment. Every
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  Speaker 2: other week, I want you wearing golden Dome navy blue
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  Speaker 2: gold pants.
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  Speaker 1: If you have to wear white because you're on the road, fine, But.
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  Speaker 2: The only the only other thing that you're okay with
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  Speaker 2: is the is the occasional green alternate, right, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I want. I'm one of the rare people who
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  Speaker 2: grew up as a Notre Dame fan. I don't I
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  Speaker 2: don't like the green. And you know why I don't
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  Speaker 2: like the green because I can't remember which which year
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  Speaker 2: it was when Tyrone Willingham had Notre Dame off to
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  Speaker 2: a great start, yep, I remember that, and then he
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  Speaker 2: busted out the green against like USC or Stanford or something,
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  Speaker 2: and they got my wopped and they had a bad
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  Speaker 2: end of the season. I remember that, and it was
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  Speaker 2: like the green cursed it. I was like, never mind,
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  Speaker 2: get rid of the green. I was like that was
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  Speaker 2: that was when it was like, okay, bring on, Charlie Weiss,
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  Speaker 2: I do have I do have a green Manti Tao jersey,
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  Speaker 2: oh somewhere in my house. And why'd you go with
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  Speaker 2: green when you bought the jersey? Well, I knew you
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  Speaker 2: were gonna ask that question. And because I'm a notorious cheapskate,
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  Speaker 2: I bought the green one because it was on sale.
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  Speaker 2: It was the most of it was because look, when
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  Speaker 2: you go to the Notre Dame bookstore, the Notre Dame
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  Speaker 2: bookstore is outrageous, right, And when you go to the
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame bookstore, you can buy anything Notre Dame. Anything
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  Speaker 2: you want a pair of like boxer shorts, Notre Dame,
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  Speaker 2: of course, they have those. You want, like cuff links
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  Speaker 2: that are Notre Dame cuff links, of course, they have those.
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  Speaker 2: You want an ascot that you wear to an overly
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  Speaker 2: traditional wedding, they have a Notre Dame version of that.
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  Speaker 1: You can buy anything. It's overwhelming, but it's all insanely expend.
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  Speaker 2: So this was in South Bend. You and south was this?
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  Speaker 2: When was this? When Utah is No, it was actually
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  Speaker 2: it was actually in two thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so the year it okay, so the year that
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  Speaker 2: Mantiiteo was like maybe he was a Heisman finalist and
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  Speaker 2: yes they go to the national championship.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was that year.
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  Speaker 2: It was that year when BYU, were it not for
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  Speaker 2: two errant throws, would have beat Notre Dame. At Notre Dame,
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  Speaker 2: I mean wide open behind the defense, missed the throw
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  Speaker 2: kind of situations. Uh, I can't remember who it was
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  Speaker 2: a member of the BYU meet. He got kicked out
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  Speaker 2: of the press box because they were cheering loudly for
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  Speaker 2: byuh Man and lamenting vocally when BYU would make a mistake.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, you gotta go anytime you get an opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: go to Notre Dame Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: Touchdown, Jesus. It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, the long story made longer because that's how
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  Speaker 2: I am. I got the Manti Jo Manti Tayo green
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  Speaker 2: jersey because I'm a cheap skate and the Navy blue
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  Speaker 2: was like full price. However, much like you know, one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars, and you've regretted it ever since.
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  Speaker 2: And I got the green one because I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'll pay sixty eight dollars. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: pay one hundred and fifty different days now, I might
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  Speaker 2: splurge for the You know what, let's get Mantai on
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  Speaker 2: the show and we'll just have he's probably got a
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  Speaker 2: Manti Taaloe jersey laying around she just do you mind
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  Speaker 2: just giving us one of your navy ones. I'll say this, Manti,
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  Speaker 2: We'll hang it out anyone related to Manti, anyone who
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  Speaker 2: knows Manti. I will, to the chagrin of Spence and
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  Speaker 2: James and Porter and everyone else, if we get a
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  Speaker 2: Manti Teo jersey, I will hang it here.
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  Speaker 1: In the Home of the Youth Studio. That's that's how
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  Speaker 1: big of a fan of Manti.
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  Speaker 5: Jay.
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  Speaker 1: Just as long as we don't cover Britain, Covet.
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  Speaker 2: And I won't cover I would never blast even such
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  Speaker 2: a way as to cover Britain, Covey shout out to Britain.
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  Speaker 2: We one more, one more game on this OC. As
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  Speaker 2: we went on that diatribe, there West Virginia is is
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  Speaker 2: Senior Day, Yeah, which, of course that's always the putting theme.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the season.
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  Speaker 2: You put on the Green Day music, you bump a
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  Speaker 2: little Vitamin C right as we go, me man, and
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  Speaker 2: everyone sheds a little tear.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Remember we played that for Andy Larson on on his
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  Speaker 2: last his last show as a Utah Jazz Beat resident.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: He's like, this is a little too old for me.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Here's what we're gonna do every presuming that Devin dam
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Pier plans to go pro after this year, and.
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  Speaker 1: He will play, will play Vitamin C.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't, he doesn't want to come back for a
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  Speaker 2: fifth year of eligibility for the University of Utah, we
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  Speaker 2: will play.
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  Speaker 1: When we lay him out, we'll.
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  Speaker 2: Play it out. We'll give him the choice. He can
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  Speaker 2: have Vitamin C or he can have Green Day time
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  Speaker 2: of our lives and he can just choose whichever one
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  Speaker 2: he wants. And he'll be like, I've never heard either
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  Speaker 2: of these. He's like, these are these are both made
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  Speaker 2: before I was born. These are on old these stations now,
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, that's your schedule. Stripe the stadium, red out
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  Speaker 2: you proud, Hall of Fame, the the to be announced
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  Speaker 2: with Kansas, I'm gonna it's I'm gonna take it.
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  Speaker 1: As ominous to be announced. Well, it's it's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting that it's Kansas is the opponent too, that
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  Speaker 2: they're like, we're undecided, Like this is Kansas. We gotta
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  Speaker 2: do something special for when Kansas is in town. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I think, you know what I think it is.
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  Speaker 2: I think you can do something wild and outlandish when
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  Speaker 2: it's Kansas. Okay, you're like, we're gonna win this game.
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  Speaker 2: So we're having I don't know, inflatable.
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  Speaker 1: Uniforms that week. You know what it needs to be.
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  Speaker 2: It needs to be Bill Riley's face on the helmet
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  Speaker 2: University of Kansas grad.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, we don't want that. No, shout out to bitch,
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  Speaker 1: shout out the Bill. But that's too far. That is
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  Speaker 1: a bridge too far, somewhere too much. Hearing me say that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that's the game where you know the new
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  Speaker 2: helmet pads, the helmet uglies that they wear, of the
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  Speaker 2: anti concussion things. Oh yeah, maybe that's a mental health
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  Speaker 2: awareness game and they actually play the game wearing the
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  Speaker 2: big protector. Everyone guardian caps. Everyone has to wear a
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  Speaker 2: Guardian cap, even Kansas has to do it. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to put this on. Gotta do it.
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  Speaker 2: It's mental health awareness, so that is the player's safety awareness.
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  Speaker 2: With that is the home game schedule for all of
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  Speaker 2: you who are planning your fashion accordingly.
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  Speaker 1: Here on the home of the Utes.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: This is, by the way, a I don't even want
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  Speaker 2: to say sneaky, because it's not all that sneaky.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: This is a.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Monument until week in college sports, in college football, in
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: college basketball, particularly because those are the revenue sports that
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: have upset the apple cart, that have changed everything. So
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I don't like to get overly political on the show obviously,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: but there is a scheduled recess coming up on Friday
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: for Congress, and that's why, in concurrence with Big Ten
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: media Days last week, everyone was like, Hey, let's get
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: an agreement. Are you guys going to support the Protect
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: College Sports Act? Are you going to jump on board
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: with the SEC Are you going to break away?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: What's happening here?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: And I was out for PFL duties, as I will
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: be again in the final couple days of this week,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: so we weren't able to talk as much as I
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: wanted to about that. But it was actually kind of
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: an eleventh hour sort of hail Mary thing that the
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: SEC and the Big ten actually jumped on board and said.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, we will add our.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Support, which is said, let's be honest, it's the support
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: that actually matters in college football. We will add our
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: support to the Protect College Sports Act. They were given
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: some concessions on language basically and said all right, fine, yes,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: something needs to be done. And a lot of that
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: was driven by coaches, which is another important thing. A
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: lot of folks that I talked to, the university presidents,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: the athletic directors, the machinations, did the power brokers in
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: college football are indexing toward what they're indexing toward maximizing profit,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and they're not really as worried about the competitive balance
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: or the competitive integrity or the competitive anything in college sports.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: So there were.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Coaches, thankfully, vocal, influ uential coaches that helped push this
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: thing along, like, yeah, I know we're here at Oregon
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: and we benefit from the current system as it exists,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: but you.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Know what, it still makes my job harder. Dan Lanning
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: has it.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: As good as anybody in college football could ever imagine
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: it being. He has an incredibly high personal salary. He
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: has basically bottomless pockets in his booster base. Starting with
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Phil Knight. He's got the best facilities in the business.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: He's got a private jet. He can fly to.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Whatever far reaching locale in college football or excuse me,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: in high school football well, or in college football to
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: recruit play incoming players and transfers. He's got it as
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: good as anybody.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And even he is like, yeah, this is not really
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: sustainable because at some point you're going to need people
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: to play for twelve weeks out of the year, not
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: just nine weeks out of the year, or not just
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: seven weeks out of the year, whatever, the final toa
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: of teams that can actually compete at that level. So
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: even even the big time power brokers were like, yes,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: while the system probably benefits us right now, we can
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: help protect college sports without breaking a system or really
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: stacking it against us. And the big ten in the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: SEC finally got on board with the Protect College Sports Act,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and then the President was on Monday making some comments
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: about how confident he is that this thing is going
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: to get pushed through and signed. The quote was the
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: nil or whatever, it is very close to getting solved.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's exactly top priority for the president,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the nil or whatever it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Is, is just a wonderful quote.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: And to be fair, I never wanted politics to be
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: involved in this at all. I never wanted the government
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: to have to step in and fix this. But because
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: to use a phrase I use too much, the adults
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: in the room have failed in otherwise installing safeguards that
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: can keep Utah football viable, Utah State football viable, BYU
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: football viable. The government is being asked to do something
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: that would preempt all these random whatever district judges saying like, oh,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: here's an injunction, here's another injunction, here's another injunction. Last
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: week it wasn't. It was a decision made in the
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: state of Colorado that will allow fifth year players that
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: graduated that expire their eligibility expired in the twenty twenty
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: five twenty twenty six academic year. They've said, well, no,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: now you have more eligibility. It's why Nakarrie Rodgers might
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: end up back in college football, maybe as a member
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: of the Utah football team. Indiana, the same Indiana team
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: that won a national chamchampionship last year, gets their best
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: defensive lineman back because of this Colorado injunction. Stephen Daily
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: was an honorable mention All Big Ten selection last year.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know why he was, only that he had
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: nineteen tackles for loss in five and a half sacks.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: He ranked third nationally last year in tackles for loss.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Now I have my doubts about how in shape he is,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: how ready to go he's going to be at the
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: beginning of Indiana season. But there was a district court
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: ruling in the state of Colorado that says, yeah, guys
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: like that can come back. I think Lander Barton was
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: a guy who actually would have had the option. Yeah,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: he is CLASTI twenty two. He's technically eligible if he
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: wants to return, and if Utah wants him back, that's interesting. Well,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: having spoken with Lander late last year, I think that
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: he either wants to be in the NFL or on
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: the ranch, and there's not a whole lot.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Of middle ground.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's back on the roster this year,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: and it's probably his choice. I don't think that it
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: would be Morgan Scalley's saying, Hey, we don't want a
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: fifth year senior linebacker who's been pretty productive for us. Look,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest if Lander listened to Yay, who's like
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: myself talking about his performances on the radio last year,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: he's probably like, dude, I don't really care.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I don't really care, I don't want to come back.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Probably I don't know.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: But this vote will or will not take place, be
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: pushed through, be finalized on the Protect College Sports Act
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: before the recess that is coming up in two days.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: We might have some structure, some at least an important
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: initial step toward well protecting college sports for lack of
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: a better as soon as this week, or if it
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: doesn't get pushed through, we're talking about more uncertainty swirling
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: in the background of another college football season where they
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: have to make a decision about expanding the college football
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: playoff before the end of this year.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: There's just a.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Lot going on behind the scenes. I have not seen
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the official revised bill. After the the Big Ten and
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: SEC decided to get on board. So believe it was
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Ross Stellinger Yahoo Sports when he he was one that
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: one of the ones that broke the story that that
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Big Ten and SEC are on board. His story said
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: that there's still the five years, the five year of independence,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: that that is what the Big Ten that's part of
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: what the Big ten and SEC are going to support.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: That they're going to support the ninth the cap of
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: nineteen teams per conference as well. So that's the that's
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the thing I was looking for. I'm like, is that changing.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: It doesn't appear to be changing after the Big ten
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and SEC have thrown their weight toward. So while there's
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of people in college sports probably hoping this
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: goes through, I don't. I'd love to get Mark Harlin
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: and studio to talk with us about this soon, because
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: what it does is the new bill, the adjustment on
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the new bill increases a an effective salary cap to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: forty eight point eight million dollars. That's right, and that
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: includes nil money. So there's no there's no salary caps
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: circumvention through quote unquote associated entities. Yeah, so you you
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: have the twenty something million that's the agreed from the
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: schools revenue sharing, and then you only have another twenty
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: to twenty five million ish of NIL deals. And these
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: deals have to be legitimate nil endorsement type deals. And
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: interestingly enough, and I want to know the exact particulars
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: of the language, but that twenty two point five it
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: comes out to twenty two point five million dollars earmarked
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: for player retention. Yeah, the language being player retention that
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: player acquisition.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Is really interesting for me.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, means does it mean that you have to spend
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: that money on players who've already been part of your
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: roster rather than giving it to transfers that are coming
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: in keep them out player keeping players out of the
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: transfer portal instead of signing free agents if you will.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: If you're a swimmer, Good news.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Five million dollars is reserved for Olympic sports. So a
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: forty eight point eight million dollar cap. I don't think
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: UTA athletics can meet that cap without the help of
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Crimson Brand partners.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: The timing of this might have been, I mean, this is.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Either going to be the most genius forethought type decision
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: or it's going to be, you know, a terrifying reality
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: as we move forward.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: But to Protect College Sports Act that.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: As constructed, maybe pushed through, will allow for a forty
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: eight point eight million dollar hard cap with no loopholes,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: according to Ted Cruz, and five million of that reserved
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: for Olympic sports. That's an expensive bill for athletic departments
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: to have to come up with every single year. And
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: it also it also puts the question out there, can
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the College Sports Commission and slash NCAA really enforce these things?
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: And we'll see if and when this this bill gets
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: passed and turns into law, We'll see if the enforcement
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: teeth that this is trying to give, intending to give
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: to the NCAA slash, the College Sports Commission, slash whatever
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: body they that gets created from this point forward to
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: help enforce these things actually is able to enforce these things.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham was among a lot of coaches. You heard
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Morgan Scalley express some of the same stuff. Kurt Signetti
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: talked about this. Even Lincoln Riley was like, Yeah, we're
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: hurtling towards fifty million dollar a year rosters in college football.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: This would theoretically cap that and make that an impossibility.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: This is an athletic department thing.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Forty eight point eight million dollars is a stretch for
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: most teams, most programs in the Big Ten, excuse me,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: in the Big twelve, most acc programs. It's obviously more
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: than a group of six programs can handle. It's right
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: where the Big Ten and the SEC are willing to stay.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: That's why they decided to support this thing. And if
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: this comes with also, hey yeah, we'll make sure that
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: we can't expand beyond nineteen teams, that's not good news
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: for Utah. However, this is not gonna be all that
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: long term eiter. This is gonna end up if it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: signed and done, it's gonna be like a four year thing,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: So keep an eye on it. Phil Steele publishes the
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: number one college football preview magazine in the land every
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: single year. We're gonna pick his brain about Utah football,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: the Big twelve, and much more.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Next on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: It's ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two to
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: one app.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: College football season is right around the corner, and if
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: you have not acquired your copy of Phil Steele's College
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Football Preview for twenty twenty six, you're already a little
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: bit behind because you have three hundred and seventy ish
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: pages you're gonna have to get through before Utah kicks
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: off on September third. We are lucky enough today to
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: have the man himself, Phil Steele on the program.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Phil, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show. How are you sir?
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: You know I am doing great today, Sean, how about yourself?
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: And uh, we're excited.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Football is back, Utah's in camp BYU starts camp today,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Utah State starts camp today, and you just can't ask
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: for anything better on a beautiful August afternoon, August morning
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: here in Salt Lake City.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: And everyone is undefeated right now, right.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right now, let's start because it's a really
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: interesting time for Utah football and for Utah football fans.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: And every season this time of year, we're like, yeah,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: we know what we have. You've got a conservative but
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: impressive coach. You've got a physical front line on both
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: sides of the football. Hopefully, you've got a decent quarterback.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: You definitely have a good running back. And you can
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: just put it in there. You can plug it in
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: every single year. And then around December of twenty twenty five,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that twenty one year trend starts to get shaken up.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: And now we've got a new head coach, you've got
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: five new starters on the offensive line, you've got new
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: starters on the defensive line. You've got new position coaches
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: all over the place, and the consistency and the constancy
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: of Utah football is for once interrupted and gone. So
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: how does Phil Steele look at this version of Utah football?
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, Sean, the way you described tough football,
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: that's how you could describe Michigan football this year. You know,
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: if the coach Whittingham does have the run game, the
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: offensive line, the defensive line, and quarterback at Michigan, So
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: he's in pretty good shape there. And I gotta be
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: honest with you, Shawn, when I first heard Winningham's leaving
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: and all five offensive linemen gone too first round draft
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: picks for crying out loud, defensive line basically gone from
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: last year, I'm like, yeah, I don't know, Utah is
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: going to take a big step back. But then after
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: going over to the team with coach Scaley and seeing
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: the talent they have at those positions, as long as
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: that offensive line comes together, that's really the biggest question
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: mark on the team, as the offensive line. If that
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: comes together, I mean they've got the quarterbacks. I like
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: both Devin dan Pierre and Bird Fickland. I think You're
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: going to see both of those guys on the field
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: at the same time at times. The running back corps
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: is deep with way Shawn Parker, Daniel Bray and they
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: had him from San Jose State, Steve Chavezsoto, so that's
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: a deep running back corps. I think there's talent at receiver.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: In fact, the shocking thing to me when I went
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: over to the team with Coach Scalley is he said
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: that this is the best wide receiver corps he's had
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: here in the last twenty years. And he's been around
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: quite some time. And I think having a coach that's
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: been on the staff knows the players has been there.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: At the defense, that helps the transition. If it's a
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: new coach coming in with new offense, new defense, and
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: everything's completely different, how to learn the players, players learn
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: the system. It be different, but the fact he's still
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: here helps a lot. And you look at the talent
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: to have on the defensive side of the ball. I
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: like Jonathan Hall at linebacker, Elijah Davis at corner, Rabbit
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: Evans at strong safety. These guys are all All conference caliber.
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: A defensive Atlantic Colts squad only started one game last year,
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: but I think he's going to step up and be
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: that pass rusher and add to the defense there. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: then when I looked at the schedule, the schedules actually manageable.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: They get BYU at home, they do have to play
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: at Arizona and at TCU, two tough games. But actually
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: one of my twell Sir nine sets of power rangs
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: called for twelve and zero this year. Now naturally not
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: my main one, but I think Ute's got the schedule
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: and the fact that they've got a little run into
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: the season with Idaho, Arkansas, Utah State, Iowa State, and
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: O Kansas first five games should be able to build
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: some confidence and hopefully confidence in that offensive line.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: That's obviously the hope.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: And I want to go back to one of the
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: things that you just said there that the two quarterbacks.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Everyone here loves Bird Ficklin, everyone here loves Devin dan Pier.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: You said you think they'll be on the field at
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the same time.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: I hope we get a lot of that, honestly, because
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: it could really cause problems for an opposing defensive coordinator.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: But let's say that they're going with you a little
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: bit of that Chris leaked Tim Tebow situation from the
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: old days at Florida or as much use of a
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: two quarterback system as is allowable in modern football.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: How do you think it shakes out?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, Devin dan Pier when he's healthy, is incredibly impressive,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: incredibly mobile.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I think he'll be more accurate.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: He didn't have really a solid base to throw from
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: in a lot of games last year, and people were
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: critical of him because of that. Bird Fickland has a
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: crazy live arm, and I think if he can dial
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: in the accuracy, he'll be a great passer in addition
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: to his running instincts. What is an appropriate split in
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: your mind to make this the most productive offense possible?
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: Well, I think I'd go with something like a seventy thirty.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: I like the way it ran the offense last year,
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: and can the two quarterback system work?
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: How about forty one points per game at four underd
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: and eighty three yards per game last year? Now, once
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: again working behind the rebuild offensive line, I don't think
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: the offense will be as quite as potent as last year.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: These guys may have to use the mobility a little
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: bit more. I'd stick with Dampier as the starter, but
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: love it when Bird Fickland comes in the field and
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: there's not a drop off. Sometimes, you know, having the
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: two different types of slightly different types of quarterbacks is
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: a struggle for a defensive coordinator coming into the.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Game if they're capable of going twelve and zero. But
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: more realistically, we can target something like nine and three
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: or ten and two. I mean for a first year
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: head coach, although he has been in the program for
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: a long time. You've been studying all of college football
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: at every level for years and years and years. Now,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: how rare is that air if you can be a
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: first year head coach and.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Be in that nine win ten win category well being.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: On the staff as big having him there with the
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: knowledge of the team, and give you a couple other
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: examples from this year. You take a look at Old
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: Miss this season. You know they've got their brand new
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: head coach, Lane Kiffin is gone, but their head coach.
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: They have actually had a couple of games as a
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: head coach last year, and Pete Golding it steps into
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: a really good situation, good talent throughout that roster. And
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: then you take a look at like Virginia Tech. One
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: of the best things James Franklin did was retaining Brent
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: Prye as the defensive coordinator. You got fired as that
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: coach brings it back as the DC gave him instant
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: knowledge of all the players on the team because Brent
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: probably had that knowledge. So I think the fact that
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: Morgan Scaley's been there knows all the players inside now,
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: both offensively and defensively, that's a massive advantage to have
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: for our first year, starting our first year head coach.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Of course, we're all optimistic about where Utah will be
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: this year, but they feel the same in Lubbock, they
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: feel the same in Provo, and maybe they have more
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: even more justification to feel that way. I know folks
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: down in Tucson are feeling good about what they've got,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: and TCU has some thoughts on who should factor into
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: the conference championship discussion. So let's assume that Utah's schedule
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: is as friendly as we think it is. Where do
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: they really fit in the Big twelve power rankings?
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: For you, Phil, Well, right.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: Now, I've got number three behind Texas Tech and BYU,
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: But Utah does get the host that BYU game, and
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: last year's game was for a couple for all those
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: fourth down stops Utah had a better shot of winning
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: that one. Now, when I went through the roster with
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: Colonie Sataki, I've gone through the roster with them all
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: eleven years. This is the best team he's put on
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: the field. So when you look at the offensive line,
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: it's massive. I have no questions about their offensive line,
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: unlike Utah. You know, Bruce Mitchell is an NFL caliber center,
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: and they've got plenty of talent, plenty of size. In fact,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: Coach Sataki's comfortable going three deep on the offensive line.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: Most coaches always like to tell me, I go who's
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: your top eight? They give me their top eight and
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: they'll say, hey, Phil, this year, I think we have
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: top nine. Coach Sataki was saying, hey, we actually go
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: three deep on the offensive line, so we'll see if
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: that's the case. Defensively, they are loaded up front. I
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: mean they've got Justin Kirkland, who I think it's going
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: to merge this year to go along with a ton
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: of asa and once again, the size you have in
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: the defensive front seven, the experience level you have. And
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: they lose a guy like Jack Kelly, but they bring
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: back Kate a lot, or they bring in Kata Lobby
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: from cal who's one of the best linebackers in the
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: Country's equal swap right there, secondary's got Evan Johnson who's
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: NFL Cali Versatula. And then you go to the backfield
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: and Bear Bachmeyer didn't even join the team until the
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: fall last year. He's in there now. I love watching
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: a forty seven play quarterback and then LJ Martin at
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: running back. This is a very, very talented and the
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: best team that when I hung up the pall with
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: Coach Sataga, in fact, I told him before I finally go, coach,
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: I feel this is the best team you've had here
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: in your last eleven year, in your eleven years.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: That is the fear. Right we're here on the home
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: of the youth. That is the fear that a lot
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: of people are feeling. Where there's some change over at Utah,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: so much consistency. Despite losing your defensive coordinator, he didn't
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: lose really any transfers off the roster. Kalan and company
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: have done an incredible job of retention and of recruiting
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: in this new era, this new nil ear for BYU Sports.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, And then you asked me about the top contenders.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: I think when you look at Texas Tech. You know
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: a lot of folks have asked me and they say, hey, Phil,
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: do you feel less about Texas Tech that they don't
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: have Brandon Soresby? And I said, well, here's the deal.
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: When I wrote the magazine, it's June fifth, we're just
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: heading to the deadline. I'm like, you know what, I'm
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: ninety percent sure they're not going to let this guy
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: play football this year. So my power ratings were adjusted
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: to Soresby not playing, even though I listed him as
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: starter in the magazine. I don't ever want to watch
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: a player on TV if he's got a chance of playing,
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: and have him not in my magazine. So I listened
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: to them, but I didn't think he was going to play.
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: Then all of a sudden they announced, hey, he's going
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: to be eligible. I'm like, damn, I got to adjust
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: my power ratings. And then of course he's not eligible.
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: So it's right back to where I am. And when
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: you look at Texas Tech, you know they've got some money.
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you've heard about that, and they
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: bring in some pretty good size recruits coming in like
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: Austin Romain from Kansas State, Adam Trick from Miami of Ohio.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: In fact, when I went over the roster with coach
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: McGuire and you look at a defensive front seven, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: think six of them are NFL caliber dudes. And then
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: you've got Bryce Pollock, it's a cornerback, Brendan Jordan as safety.
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: These guys are all very talented offensively. You know, quarterback
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: is a question back because of will Hammond's injury situation.
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: I think if will Hammond was a hundred percent healthy,
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: they might not even have signed a starter from somebody else.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: They did bring in Tulsa's quarterback Kirk Francis. But you
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: look at a running back room and here's the thing
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: that's scary. They had Cam Dicky and Jacoby Williams back right.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: Guess who got the Coach McGuire was most excited about
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: running backs. Quinton Joyner. He says he might have been
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: the best running back last year, missed the year with injury.
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: He's back along with Williams and Dicky. That's one of
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: the best running back corps in the country. Once again.
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: The offensive line veteran unit NFL caliber left tackle and
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: Howard Sampson NFL caliber right tackle, and Jacob Hanten. You
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: look at the receiving corps, Michaeh. Hudson could finally come
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: into his own this year. They got one of the
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: best tight ends in the country and Terrence Carter, And
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: when I go through their schedule, I don't have them
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: an underdog in any game. In fact, I don't have
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: less than a touchdown favorite in every game. They're two
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: toughest road games are at Cincinnati and at Baylor, and
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: each game I've got him a touchdown favorite. They don't
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: play Utah and they don't play BYU during the regular season.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: Good for BYU, good for Utah, good for Texas Tech.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: You're going to have some strength at the very top
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: of the Big Twelve this year, and at Texas Tech
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: is my pick to win the conference.
• 43:18
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• 43:21
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• 43:34
  Speaker 2: talking the game with your friends at work, or your
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: buddies at the poker game or whatever else. This is
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: a familiar refrain for folks that have listened to my
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: shows wherever I've been. First it was when Utah was
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: in the Pac twelve and it was like, hey, even
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: if you're the best Pac twelve team.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Where do you fit in nationally?
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: And the same sort of sentiment has followed Utah and
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: BYU into the Big Twelve. If you're the best Big
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: twelve team, where do you fit in nationally? Texas Tech
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: was great, they were dominant last year in the conference
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: and then made it to the College Football Playoff and
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: laid a big, fat egg. And so that narrative kind
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: of continues when you look at this year's Big twelve
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: conference and the power rankings that we've already kind of
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: gone over, where do those teams fit in the national landscape?
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's interesting that what you talked about
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: with Texas Tech, they got shut out in the playoff
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: last year, and you know, when I talked to coach McGuire,
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: one of his biggest concerns this spring was how do
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: we contend with that dog gone by? You know, when
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: you're off for three or four weeks and your opponent
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: just played last week. There's been eight instances of that
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: happening seven times the team off the buy has lost
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: the game. The only guy that's been able to get
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: past it was coach Signetti at Indiana, and so coach
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: McGuire City was talking to FCS coaches trying to figure
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: out how they battle, you know, having three weeks off
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: versus one for their opponent, and I think that is
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: a big time question for whoever wins the Big Twelve
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: this year, because they'll likely get a buye. Also, when
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: I talked to coach McGuire, he felt that with Soresby
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: they were a legitimate national title contender right at the
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: top with all the other big boys, and without him,
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: he thought their playoff team and possibly get there, but
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: didn't feel quite as confident. And that's about where I
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: have Texas Tech. I've got them on the season coming
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: into the year number nine, I got BYU number ten,
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: and I have Utah number twenty four in my rankings.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: So I think all three are going to be legitimate
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: playoff contenders at the end of the year. I think
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: when you make the playoff, as Miami of Florida showed
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: last year, I mean the ACC and the Big Twelve
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: were sort of similar. Neither ones the SEC. Neither one's
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: a big ten. Yeah, Miami of Florida last year is
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: within one play at winning the national title. I think
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: once you get into the playoff, if you can overcome
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: that bye week, then all of a sudden, it's anybody's game.
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: Who's who's playing the best in the postseason.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many people in our country get
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: a chance to have the kind of access year over
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: year over year to these coaches and these teams. And
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: obviously you've put in the work to make that a
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: reality for yourself, but I think it gives you unique
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: insights on some of this big picture stuff that is
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: happening in college football. I'm very excited that we're getting
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: close to the season and we can put some of
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: this like litigation on the back burner, the eligibility stuff
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: on the back burner. Maybe you know, a bill in
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Congress or two on the back burner. But having talked
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: to so many of these coaches, what is the overall
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: sentiment that you come away with in college football about
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, there are some that are benefiting from the
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: system right now greatly. The Oregons and Ohio States and
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Texas of the world have been able to strengthen their position.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Teams like Texas Tech have experienced upward mobility.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: The same is true for BYU.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Speaking from the Utah perspective, there's a lot of worry
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: in hand ringing and they've done this private equity deal
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: to try to close a gap that they didn't really
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: find another way to close. So in college football, what
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: is the overall sentiment from the coaches perspective on the
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: changes that may be coming or need to be coming.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great question, Sean. I'm going to answer
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: that in a couple different areas. First of all, let's
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: talk about the group of six coaches out there. And basically,
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: when I'm going over a roster with a group of
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: six coaches, and this year I talked to one hundred
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: and thirty three of the one hundred and thirty eight coaches.
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: But going over the roster with a group of six coaches,
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: they'll get excited about a player. They'll say, Wow, this
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: guy's big, strong, blah blah blah blah. We won't have
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: him next year. They know that he's going to get
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: bought by a Power four team. So that's that's pretty
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: much the mindset of the group of six, We're going
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: to get a better level of recruit coming in because
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: now the Power four teams aren't recruiting strictly freshmen. They're
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: bringing in transfers. That has these guys trick Leune down,
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: but they know once they develop him into an all
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: conference player, they're going to get bought. Now overall coaches,
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: first of all, I think everybody is rooting for this
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: bill to go through so that college football can actually
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: have some rules. The five year rule is fantastic. And
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: the most interesting thing I took out of this spring
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: Sean was that every coach that I would talk to,
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: they'd say, hey, Phil, how you doing. I'm like expecting
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: me to say, oh, I'm doing great, coach, how about yourself?
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: I would say, coach, I am doing marvelous. There is
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: no second transfer portal window. I don't have to rewrite
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: one hundred and thirty eight teams all in the month
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: of May. It's fantastic. It's like old times. You know what,
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: Almost every single coach told me to a coach, they said, Phil,
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: we were more of a team this spring. We knew
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: that the guys we were taking in the spring, that's
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: our team. We weren't going to replan some over the
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: after second spring portal window. Guys weren't going to leave,
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: we could coach them harder. We could list the guy
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: third string, knowing he's not going to leave. The guys
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: we took in the spring are the guys were taking
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: into the fall. The players could become buddies with each
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: other knowing the other guy wasn't going to leave after spring.
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: So I think we're going to have a better brand
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: of football this year because there was no second damn
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: second spring portal window. And overall, I think college is
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: headed in the right direction. This bill passes and we
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: actually get some rules and some teeth that the NCAA
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: can use.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: It's been fun watching the narrative, the little rivalry between
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: the Big Ten and the SEC.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Who's the most dominant conference? Truly now?
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: And you know we're outsiders looking in at that power play.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Do you think the Big Ten has a great chance
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: of winning another national championship? Is this the year that
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: the SEC once again takes the top position? Or is
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: there a Notre Dame or an ACC or a Big
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: twelve team that ends up with the bragging rights at
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: the end of the year.
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a beautiful thing about college football, as we
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: saw with Miami last year they almost won it. So
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: whoever makes a playoff has got a great shot. And
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: I think that each both the SEC and the Big
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: Ten have got legitimate title contenders. I mean Georgia, Texas loaded,
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: Ohio State, Indiana, Oregon loaded. So both conferences are a
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: great shot. But I went with neither. I went with
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: Notre Dames, you know, and I look at Notre Dame
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: this year, Sean, I see a team that had a
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: great defense last year. They held opponents of ninety five
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: yards per game below their average, and they got nine
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: starters back on d They have my number five rated
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: defensive line, number one linebackers, number one DB's in the
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: country dominant. Now, normally that'd be enough for me to
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: pick a team number one. I'm a defensive guy, but
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: I'm also on the Joe Moore Award Committee, and which
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: means I value offensive line play. It's one of the
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: twenty one award committees I'm on, and I rate Notre
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: Dames offensive line gets this number one in the country.
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: They've got four NFL caliber guys back. So now you
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: got the offensive line, you got the defense, and oh
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: By the way, they've got a quarterback in CJ. Carr
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: who is a red shirt freshman last year. Now he's
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: a veteran. He had a twenty to four ratio last year.
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: He'll be even improved. I think he's the Heisman front
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: runner right now. And then factor in the schedule. Their
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: toughest two games are at BYU and that one's not
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: going to be easy. That's probably a real tough one
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: in Miami of Florida at home. Both of those very tough.
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: But I've got the Irish favorite in all twelve games.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: And if they can overcome that by week obstacle and
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: stay healthy, and it should be able to they should
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: be able to play a lot of backups them experience
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: during the year. I think the Irish can win at
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: all this season.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Very last thing for you before we let you go, Phil,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I will be honest. I had hoped for a fairy
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: tale ending of the Kyle Whittingham era at the University
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: of Utah. I wanted him to ride off into the sunset,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: never having been a head coach anywhere else. I wanted
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: us to build the statue, you know, three years after
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: his retirement, and this whole thing complicates it.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Even though I think his legacy is.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Secure at Utah, but I won't feel like any of
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: it was worth it if he doesn't do great things
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: at Michigan. So what is Michigan football going to be
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: under Kyle Whittingham.
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty much the same thing Utah was, and the
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: same thing Michigan's been, which is strong offensive line, and
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: they've got that this year. Strong defensive line, and they've
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: got this this year, especially if John Henry Daily is healthy.
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: Strong defense. Overall, they've got your ear Hill smith Snowden
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: at cornerback. They've got Rod Moore at free safety. You
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: look at the quarterback position. Bryce Underwood last year was
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: a true freshman. He's an incredible athlete, and now he's
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: got that experience under his belt. There are a couple
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: question marks on the team. I talked to coach Whittingham,
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: you know, he's like, you know, if we had the
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: second portal window, might have addressed a couple of things.
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: But overall, this is a loaded team. And watch these
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: running backs savean Hitter and Jordan Marshall, one of the
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: best running back combos out there. Now. At the end
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: of the year, they have to play Indiana at home,
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: they play at Oregon and at Ohio State. Those are
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: the three games will be an underdog, but I'm sort
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: of circling that October twenty fourth game. It should be
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: pretty interesting. I think Kyle Whittingham's going to end up
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: doing a great job at Michigan. I did ask him.
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: I said, Coach, we've been talking for years and years.
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: We have talked for another ten to fifteen years. And
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: he said, no, not that long. Fill but I'm going
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: to be here till we get something done. And I
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: think it's a perfect fit, perfect marriage for Michigan.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Well, we're all going to be watching it, either hate
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: watching it or love watching it, or just watching that
• 52:50
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  Speaker 1: This one for the offense.
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  Speaker 2: Big question on the offensive line, right highest rated recruit
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  Speaker 2: You brought in Cedric Jefferson in the transfer portal. He
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  Speaker 2: the first time. Al Harrison Zarawai Williams, you've got guys.
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  Speaker 2: I'm setting the over under for games started by Kelvin
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  Speaker 2: Obot at five and a half games started. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's reasonable to expect that it might take him some
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  Speaker 2: time to integrate himself, to grow into the position a
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  Speaker 2: form of a highly rated recruit who happens to be
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  Speaker 2: the star pupil of your new offensive line coach as well,
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  Speaker 2: how many games will Kelvin Obots start for the University
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  Speaker 2: of Utah at RIALOCI Sports eight seven seven three five
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  Speaker 2: three zero seven hundred. The over under I'm setting is
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  Speaker 2: at five and a half games. Does he start half
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  Speaker 2: practice is underway. Media availability for today's happening right now.
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  Speaker 2: Sammy Mora is going to join us in the one
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: o'clock hour after media availability is done. Uh defensive players
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: were available yesterday Monday, they had offensive players and actually,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: let's hear from QB one, Devin dan Pierre was questioned
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: after practice because of course he's QB one.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Here's dev for Monday.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: How you feeling day one?
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: Take us through?
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: Man? I feel great.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly.
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  Speaker 8: I thought our teams we've been working hard without the
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: coaches here a lot building culture without them, so you know,
• 58:51
  Speaker 8: for finally the coaches to be back, and you know,
• 58:53
  Speaker 8: see how far we've come together as a team. First practice,
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: you know, I thought it went well.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I'll comfort are you with once we give excuse?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Very comfortable, mag gee. He tells me all the time.
• 59:06
  Speaker 8: You know, he wants to dedicate this offense so way
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: he feels I do best and for us to just
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: keep having conversations.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: We have days where we can get better.
• 59:13
  Speaker 8: We have days where you know, we take the good
• 59:15
  Speaker 8: out of the practice and you know, we just keep
• 59:17
  Speaker 8: elevating offense from there. So I'm happy that he respects
• 59:20
  Speaker 8: my talents and what I can do so we can
• 59:23
  Speaker 8: thrive as an offense.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: How was the off like for the offensive line? Ah? Man, very.
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: Very time for them to mentally get stronger and just
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: more explosive. There's a lot of days Coach Anders makes
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: our workouts very orientated to the position. And you can
• 59:41
  Speaker 8: tell those offensive linemen a lot of them lost about
• 59:43
  Speaker 8: five ten pounds of fat and then also gained like
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: ten to fifteen pounds of muscles. So for them to
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: have that transformation just in the summer, man, now they
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: get to showcase it out here and be at their best.
• 59:55
  Speaker 9: Where do you feel like you're at just in terms
• 59:57
  Speaker 9: of some of the improvements you made this offseason and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 9: how are you excited to implement them here and fall?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 8: I think a lot of this off season was me
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 8: getting together with the receivers. You know, we brought in
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 8: so many new guys, so you know, they all have
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: their own little spin to their own routes and how
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 8: they see things on the field, so they get on
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: the same page. That was something that was brought to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 8: my attention I needed to do during off season. So
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 8: I thought, we came out here and you know, we're
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 8: able to showcase that.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: How often did you guys get together just with you
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: and the receivers?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know there would be days where we had
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 8: a harder workout, so I would let them be stationary,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: just more tracking, more things like that, And the days
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: we did less running, we got more into routes, We
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 8: got more into putting out coverages in our head. The
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: other receivers would be out there being defenders, and you know,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 8: we would just try to implement the field field how
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: it would look on the field. So that's kind of
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: how we went about it.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 10: How much of them the off season are you watching
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 10: film with you.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: And heard and the coaches?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, off season it's it's a little bit. You know,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: it'll ramp up when you know we get closer to
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 8: the week, looking at our opponents. You know, we I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 8: feel like we've watched a lot of film during spring.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 8: You know, we watch it out by ourselves, we watch
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 8: it with the coach when he comes in. So there's
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: a lot that we've already learned from the spring. So
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 8: summer is just the time to literally work on the body.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 8: It's time the uh you have that time set aside
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: from film to get your body right. So this is
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: when film digs into that process.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 11: How much do you have to just kind of mentally
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 11: reset in terms of not worrying about the football, just kind.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Of giving yourself a break. So this doesn't become a
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: sure respects.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: Does that makes sense?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 8: You know, I I love football, you know, at the
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: end of the day, Uh, everyone everyone out here, you
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 8: know we love football. We all signed up for this.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 8: I've never heard of an easy fall camp. So you know,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 8: we kind of know what to expect when we're here,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: and you know, we just go about it where.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: You love each other.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: We we're such a bonded team that like being out
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 8: here is fun.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: It's it's not taxing.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: It doesn't feel like we're being forced to be dragged
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: out here. Everyone in this building knows that we want
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: We got big plans ahead.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: We just talked about it yesterday, how we want to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: win a big Big ten champion, Big twelve championship. So
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: just with that thought process, Yeah, we.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Got to do it every day once to like sharing
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: the quarterback wrong, which every telling me somebody.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: Like him and things.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: Man Bird is great, honestly, you know, I think the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: biggest thing I take away obviously we're best friends outside
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 8: of this, but especially during football. He's a he's a
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 8: very talented player. So you know, I go out there,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 8: I do four plays. I think I did good. The
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 8: Bird goes out there, he throws the touchdown, I'm like, okay,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 8: now I'm an answer back, and then you know, we
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 8: just keep elevating each other where uh. You know, eventually
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 8: when he takes over, he's going to be that guy.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 12: And you know he's.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 8: Also pushing me to be the guy right now. So
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 8: very mutual, always around.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: How are you a little bit about this receiver room
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: going in the fall man?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 8: Very exciting if you can tell. I think every receiver
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 8: probably caught the ball today just because of.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: That.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 8: We have so many weapons, you know what I mean,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: We have so many people that can get open. We
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: can put them in different places.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: So you know, it show.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: It shows on the field that so many, so many
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: receivers caught the ball today, so many different ones. So yeah,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 8: shout outs on there.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 10: Bart Coach would given talked about offensive balance being about
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 10: spreading the ball around to players rather than just fifty
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 10: percent past two percent, But how have you sort of
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 10: embraced that micset of getting everybody in alt aspecial.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: Cam Yeah, you know, I think that's the best way
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 8: for an offense to row be beat what the defense
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: has given us. If the defense wants us to pass
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: the ball more, we'll do that if the defense wants
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: us to run the ball.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: We'll do that.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 8: And that's just kind of where our offense comes from.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: We take advantage of what the defense gives us. And
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: you know, there's mcgiffenn trust me so much with the offense.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 8: He gives me the ability to, you know, go get
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: into a different play, get into things that we run
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: very well.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: So just to have the aspect, it makes me.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: Very confident going too any game that we have the
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: game plan to, you know, do what it takes to win.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 13: Speaking of confidence, do you walk a little bit different
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 13: now that you've been around here?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: You're kind of feeling good in the red.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 12: I mean, just just take me through being under center
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 12: as QB one.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think, you know, one, coming back to Utah
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 8: after you know, everything that went on, and just being
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 8: so welcoming from one. You know, my coaches meeting me
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: in the airport, just starting from there. You know that
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: that builds a lot of respect to me and a
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: lot of loyalty. So yeah, you know, I do see
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: my teammates looking at me when things get bad and
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: also when things are well. So I prefer to stay
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 8: stay at the top of my levels, make sure I'm
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: the same guy, very consistent every single time, and uh,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: you know, this is how I embrace my role.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Than Devin Damn Pierre.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: That's from Monday's post practice media availability, and we are
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: trying to lock down exactly when Devin is going to
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: join us weekly throughout the season. He will be joining
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: us weekly throughout the season. It's a big ask to say, hey,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: can you do it during fall camp because the schedule
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: is tight and by design, they really flood every minute,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: every hour with football. I mean it is a full time,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: full time job right now for Devn come. Great to
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: hear him, great to hear the positivity the off season work.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Here's something that you know, I think we have to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: adjust our expectations based on in college football. Now these
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: adages that we lean on and we have leaned on
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: for years will be like, oh, yeah, you know, your
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: first or second year as a starter, they're very different
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: your second year after you know, especially being a freshman
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: and getting playing time. Then your sophomore year you're gonna
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: have this big jump forward now that transfers are ubiquitous
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: in college football, I think we need to take an
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: extra look at your second year in a new place,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Devin damp Here is a multi year starter, right and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: he's going into his third year as a full time starter,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: excuse me, his fourth year as a starter.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Devin damp Pierre is a second year starter at the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Universe Steve Utah.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: The comfort that last question kind of alluded to this,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: the comfort of knowing that you're in the right spot,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: that you could have gone somewhere else and you decided
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: to stay. You sort of reinvested yourself emotionally and probably
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: literally with your time and things like that. The team
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: reinvested in you emotionally, spiritually, physically, financially that second year back.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: I'm really curious to see how it's reflected in Devin
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: dan Pierre. And obviously there's the health equation or the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: health quotient to this equation as well, because knock on wood,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: he won't have the same difficulties staying healthy this year
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: as he did last year. He's not the guy that
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: offered excuses. He's the guy that just went out there
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: and played and did his thing, and I think we
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: can all appreciate him for that. And again, it was
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: an incredible football season. It fell short of your expectations,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: my expectations, but most importantly fell short of Devin dan
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Pierre's expectations. All Right, yesterday they had defensive player availability
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: and a guy that really kind of burst onto the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Utah football scene last year, Jackson Benny, the former walk
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: on whose brother is on the team again after leaving
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: going to Weaver State, now coming back, Jackson Benny talked
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: with the media. There's also sound available from Ethan Day,
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• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: Yesterday's a y Phil, you're a vet now, man, you're
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: doing a lot here. Dad Now I am a dad. Yeah, No,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: I am poppy now I am officially a father. Now.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. It really does feel like yesterday I was
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: is my first fall camp. You know, I think every
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: year goes by a little quicker. You know, this is already.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: This is definitely here a lot sooner than it was before.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Getting used to things. But it's great. I love it.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: It's fun to be one of the older guys.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 14: We're gonna call out the competition in the safety room yesterday.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Just what are you seeing from you know the rooms. Yeah, No,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of guys that can play. It's definitely
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: not a shoe and it's a lot of good competition. Everybody.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: Everybody owns their twenty score feet. Everybody brings a little
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: bit different to the table. But yeah, we got a
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: really good room.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 10: How much more comfortable do you feel operating as a
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 10: safety defensive back out there?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say, I don't know, almost as if it
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: was like January first this year. Just I don't know,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: a switch in my mind or something. I just have
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: felt a little bit more comfortable out there. I feel
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: like I made a few mental airs today, which is
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: you know, never the best, but you know, for the
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: most part, I feel a lot more comfortable not thinking
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: about too much anymore and trying to develop my game
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: where I'm not thinking about the defense and now I'm
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: trying to you know, more folkus on the offense what
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: they're doing.
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  Speaker 5: So to.
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  Speaker 11: Say to that point you talked about, you know, not
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 11: being a finished product yet, how how have you kind
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 11: of taken this last year and watching the tape and
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 11: doing all that to help you to move forward into
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 11: this year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just there's a few things that
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: I wanted to work on. My size, wanted to get
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: a little bigger, and trying to focus on on my weight,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: reading offenses, understanding standing your oute concepts a little bit better.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Just certain things like that. But I still am you know,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: need a lot of work on. But those things are
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: i'd say the biggest things I've been focusing on this
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: this offseason.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 9: How different has a Morgan Scalley fall camp? And I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 9: mean you said in the spring you could tell if
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 9: he wants to die for the players.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: I think that's what you said.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but what is what is the first couple of
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 9: days of fall.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Camp with him as head coach looked like, no, it's
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: been great. Yeah, he really he does definitely cares about,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: you know, our bodies and our physical wellbeing and and
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: he understands that, you know, it's it's tough out here.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: It's physically and mentally taxing. But uh, he's definitely just
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: doing the best for the players. He's he's being smart.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: But you know his thing is, hey, this is we're
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: doing this. We might not have a twenty four period
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: practice it's just fifteen periods today, but you have to
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: give me one hundred percent of everything you got and
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: so it's kind of kind of our thing. If if
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: whatever we're doing, he's going to help us out of
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: you know, we we do our part.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 10: So some of the other top names and that's safety,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 10: we're better standing out so far.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Rabbit, Ritchie, Tillman, and we got a few awesome
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: younger classmen. Josh Solren had two picks today. Let's see. Yeah, Manny,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: you know that we have a lot of It's pretty deep.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: So I love what we have now and I'm really
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: excited to see in the future how how those safeties
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: develop because they got a lot of talent.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 10: How different is a Colton Swan leg defense.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: So far, I would say not much different. Same to
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: you know, the same same defenses it's been for a
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: long time. They add their own little twists on it,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: but for the most part, it's it's it's been the same. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: that's you said you wanted to get bigger this offseason.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 14: How was it under Saunders and just this new way spring,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 14: the inditional program.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been great. Saunders is He's awesome.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: I love him.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: He's a great dude. I'd say with Saunders, the difference
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: he he is, Uh, definitely time under tension with the reps,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: you know, slow down, pause, quick up, and not as
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: much weight on the bar. But we've been able to
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: get a lot stronger that way, and just different muscle
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: fibers and things that he focuses on that I've loved
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 9: You kind of broke onto the scene due to a
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 9: lot of injuries, but this year seems like you're kind
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 9: of in a leadership.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: Role and you're one of the top guys in the room.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 9: Just how different has that been for you compared to
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 9: what it.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Was last year.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: I would say, not not different at all. Really. I
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: mean every single day I'm trying to compete.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: It's hasn't changed since I got here as a walk
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: on till now. And I always have to remember that
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: I can never get complacent, and so yeah, it's just
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: compete every day. I need to watch, you know, hours
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: of film. How can I be better?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: You know, what's the technique that I need to use?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: Anybody can help me from from the guys that have
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: been here a while to some newcomers. I ask them,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: how like Hey, I like that.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: How do you do that?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: You know? So I'm I'm try to be a sponge
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: as much as I can. I want to be the
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: best that I can. So yeah, I'd say it's just
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: not much different.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Big thanks to our guy Porter Larson gathering sound for
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: us at media availabilities when we are not able to
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: because of course we are here live on air. That
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: was Jackson Benny, who was one of the breakout stars
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: of Utah football season last year, and you heard him
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: talking about there. You know, he's just going to be
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: a defensive player this year, so he's worried about stopping
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: an offense. He doesn't have to worry about how he
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: fits into his scheme against an opposing defense.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: I think that's going to help him.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Another thing you heard from him, and you heard it
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: from offensive lineman on Monday's Meadia availability, and I think
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a theme. And you know, I
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: don't want to lead any witnesses, but let's just observe
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: and report. Think about when you're listening to these conversations
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: from the players, how often the strength and conditioning program
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: from the offseason is mentioned. Morgan Scally took a massive
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: risk in replacing a guy who had been there as
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: part of the program for two and a half decades.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: Greg August was really really good at his job, was
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: going to get an opportunity to kind of take the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: reins from Doug Elisiah for the very first time, and
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: he was kept on an incredibly short leash and ultimately
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: Steve Saunders was elevated, and that that was risk. There
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: are a lot of people, there were a lot of alumni,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: especially who have close relationships with Argust, who were really
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: upset by this.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: The group chats were blowing up.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: It was bad news for a lot of folks and
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: guys like well Eric Weddle, who obviously had a relationship
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: with Steve Saunders from his days with the Baltimore Ravens,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: were like, don't pay attention to the headlines associated with
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: that guy's name. He is the best I have ever
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: worked with in this strength and conditioning thing. He helped
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: me extend my career and look that weight. Those words
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: had a lot of weight with Morgan scally, but it
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: was still a big risk. And we have now heard
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: multiple players in really only two days of opportunity talk
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: about how they really like the new program. They really
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: like Steve Saunders, and more importantly, they like the way
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: their bodies have responded to that program. They like the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: way their bodies feel coming out of that program. I
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: don't bring this up to say, oh see, I told
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: you so because I have no idea. I love Greg
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Argus and I was like, man, I really don't like
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: the way that that whole thing went down. But you
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: have to put trust in your new head coach, and
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: he has to live and die by his own sword.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: He has to do things his way. And players and
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: their opinion on the matter, their response to the matter.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: It's obviously far more important than anything that we can
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: say about it, or that we can think about it,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: or that even prominent alumni can think about it.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Right the Sugar Bowl group chat.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Doesn't really have a lot of bearing on what's going
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: on with Utah football right now. You want those guys
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: to feel informed, included, part of the history, part of
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: the legacy, part of the program.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: You don't want them to be bothered.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: You want them to feel like there's familiar faces when
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: you go back up to the facility. We are so
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: spoiled in that regard because it's been twenty plus years
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: and you could walk up there if you were ever
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: a player in this program, if you were ever a
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: player in this program, you can still go up there
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: and there's somebody that you know who has a connection,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: who maybe was on your recruiting trip, who recruited you,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: who was a coach on the staff while you were there,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: who was in the equipment room, who was in the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: strength and conditioning room. So that massive risk, at least
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: from a player response perspective, seems to be paying off
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: right now for Morgan Scalley and for this Utah football team.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: The offensive line in particular, some of those guys acknowledged, hey,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: we need you know, we needed to get stronger, we
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: needed to get leaner. And the results in that regard
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: are measurable. Those guys can go and they have access
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: to the decks of body scans and the Caliber teen
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: and whatever else, and those things will tell you you
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: have lower body fat percentage, you have higher muscle mass,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: and at least intuitively think that means you're going to
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: be a better football player this year.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to be.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Paying close attention to that, and we are going to
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: effort getting Steve Saunders on the program sooner than later.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: I think I actually made my request for that with
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: our guy Keeler mcjenkin while he was on vacation. But yeah,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: I want to talk with Steve Saunders. You heard Jackson
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Bady mentioned time under tension. Rather than just rushing through
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: your reps. He wants it to be lower weight, lower
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: and slower. This ain't barbecue, though, So I want Steve
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Saunders to explain for me why that makes sense, why
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: that works, how that makes you a better football player,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: because he's got to know it and he's got to
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: be able to convey that to the players for them
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: to be reacting the way that they are reacting.
• 1:18:00
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  Speaker 2: The Roar of the Cougar, the Roc, the BYU equivalent
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: of the MUSS. I always make fun of the Rock
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  Speaker 2: because I don't think you have to have an acronym
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  Speaker 2: style name for your student section. I think you can
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  Speaker 2: just be called the You student section. I don't think
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: you had to do that. It's like a branding thing,
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  Speaker 2: especially when it's clearly just a ripoff of everyone else
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  Speaker 2: that's doing it. Like you added that pretty late in
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  Speaker 2: the cycle, so to speak. The Rock was not the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: Rock until the MUSS had been firmly established for many,
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  Speaker 2: many years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's been less than five or ten
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: years that they've had a nickname for the student section, right, That's.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: That's kind of where I come out on it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember, Like I don't remember in my time,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: it wasn't called the Rock definitively when it was the
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: MUSS was just becoming the MUSS in those days. But
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: that was that's been now twenty something years. Yes, so
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: that's now a long established I yeah, I do think
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: it's clever though, for a if you're gonna, if you
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: are gonna do a late nickname for your student section,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: the Rock, the Roar of the Cougar, it's a clever name.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Let me see if I can plug something in here.
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  Speaker 2: Best student section names.
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  Speaker 1: There's got to be some good ones in the SEC. Wow,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: look at this the ai Overview says top college football
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: student sections include the Muss, the Bloc, oh and the
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: famed unnamed student body of the penn and state wide
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  Speaker 1: out So I don't think that. So there's not many. Again,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: there's not the block. Oh would be Oregon, the.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: Texas A and M Corps of Cadets, right, but yeah,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: they don't people, they don't name them all the time.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: It's this school's student section. And so you kind of
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: ripped it off like there's got a Fresno State calls,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: there's the red zone.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: Uh, Syracuse calls themselves the curse, the curse, the Q's curse.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: That's kind of cool, all right, Q's Curse. We're gonna
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: have to ask you about that a second.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Wait a second. That's from Syracuse High School in Utah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh shout out to that's a shout out to my
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  Speaker 2: lovely wife.
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  Speaker 1: Alma mater, alma mater, the Dimmicks alma mater as well.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I stumbled upon this the top twenty the top
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: forty student sections high school or college in high schools
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: in Utah. Oh wow, the Q's Curse. I'm gonna have
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: to go home and ask about that. I need someone
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  Speaker 2: to text in eight seven seven three five three zero
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred? Have we named if we named every student
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  Speaker 2: section at every high school? The Lone Peak, Unknighted, the
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  Speaker 2: Corner Canyons Stable, the Caveman, Crazies of American Fork all right,
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  Speaker 2: the Olympus ozone, I don't the tim few t birds,
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  Speaker 2: that makes sense. The Dixie bomb Squad.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember the bombs? Where are the bomb squad?
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  Speaker 2: We would we would chant bomb your nation to canyon
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  Speaker 2: because they're their chant was Warrior Nation, so we'd bomb
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  Speaker 2: your nation.
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  Speaker 1: Woo's Cross Mafia? What's Cross Mafia? The Bingham Pit.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: That one's real, I know that one. Do they have
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: a Jordan High School? Do they have a Beat Diggers something?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: What would we be the Beatfield? The Field, the Grantsville
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: Red Riot. Actually, you guys would be the Shrewd Farms, right, that.
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  Speaker 2: Would be pretty cool. Actually, the Westlake storm Surge.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know this. The Davis Mob we got it.
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  Speaker 2: Next time we get wet all on the show. We
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  Speaker 2: watch out for the storm Surge. Yeah, watch out September.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: The Bear River Den they called themselves the Den. Brighton,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: according to this list, doesn't have a name. But they
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  Speaker 2: I remember they had a welcome to the Jungle thing
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: painted on the like the student section, so oh really,
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  Speaker 2: so is the Bengals is the field and to court
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  Speaker 2: the Jungle?
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  Speaker 1: Then I guess, and I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, I see the disdain on your face as we
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: talk about Bengals. I was not a big fan of
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: the Brighton Bengals, never beat them ever. Ever, Wow, it's bad, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: it was bad anyway. Really glad my alma mater, the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: fire students section, the bomb squad made it on the
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: bomb Squad.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: Wow, what a strange rabbit hole that took me down.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: But back to b YU the Rock, the roar of
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: the Cougar again, you don't have to do that, all right,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: could just be b YU Student section, right. I do
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  Speaker 2: think it's clever though.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, the Rock passes two hundred and fifty dollars.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: But now there's a new so the way that it
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: has always worked for for the Rock, and I think
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: it's the exact same with the MUSS.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: I haven't had a must pass ever, unfortunately.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: I think it's first come, first serve. You go and
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: you claim your tickets as you have your must pass
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: and and you wait line, or you get in the
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: Q online on the app and you say, I want
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: tickets to you know, the Idahole game, I want tickets
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: to the Arkansas game. I want tickets to the BYU game.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: And as far as I know, it's always been first come,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: first served. Well, what BYU is doing now is you're
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: basically going to be on a points system and they're
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: incentivizing people to attend Olympic sports so that they can
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: get better access to football and basketball games. So they
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: specifically say it. The window to request tickets are every
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Monday before a home game. That's still the same, but
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: it does not you being the first to request the
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: tickets is of no consequence.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Tuesdays at noon before Tuesdays.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want the one BYU fan who listens to
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: us to be like James told me, Monday Tuesdays Tuesdays
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: at noon. Read more comprehension a struggle for me.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: You have twenty four.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Hours to request a ticket, but there's no longer a
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: benefit to being first to request a ticket in the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: twenty four hour window. Ticket allocation will now be determined
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: based on a system influenced by attendants at BYU's Olympic
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: team sporting events, that is, BYU women's soccer, women's volleyball,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: men's volleyball, gymnastics, women's basketball, baseball and softball games. The
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: more Olympic events the student attends, the better position they
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: are to earn stadium entry. In an earlier group, you're
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: not required to attend an Olympic sport to get a
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: ticket for football or men's basketball. Attendants simply boost the
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: chances to get early entry into your football game.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: So and in men's basketball too.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: They may mention that because they always they never have
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: any trouble with attendants, especially lately in men's basketball, so
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: they're trying to boost all the other sports. Basically, Okay,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: so if you're anything like me, and you're a student
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: at BYU, which I guess you're not much like me.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: If you're a student at BYU in undergrad that's student
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: of PYU, you're going all right, well, yeah, fine, I'll
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: claim a ticket to a women's volleyball game so that
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: I can get a better men's a better men's basketball
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: or a better football ticket.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: But here's what they do.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: They they now want you to scan in to BYU
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Olympic sports, and big brother is watching.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: He wants you to scan out as well. They're taking attendance.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: They're taking attendants.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: And games, and you will get You will get football
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: and men's basketball attendance points. If you if you go
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: to a women's volleyball game, you scan your ticket in
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: and then you don't scan out, you don't get credit
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: for it, because you can, of course, just fake like you.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Went to the game.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: If you go and you spend five minutes at the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: game and then you leave, your penalize for that.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: They want you spending the whole time I'm there.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: So this you know what, You know who this rewards
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: more than anyone, James, And this is my frustration with it.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: You know who gets the best benefit here?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: The kids who are there on mom and dad's dime,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: who don't have to have a job, who don't have
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: to provide anything for their own college education and can
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: just do the student experience thing.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Oh cool, I have no obligations.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: I don't even have to take class that Seriously, I'm
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: gonna go to every sporting event. Those are the people
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: who benefit most from this. If you have a job
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: and you can't attend as many Olympic events, as your
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: fellow students can. You're now being penalized. You don't get
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: as good at tickets this The spoiled kids.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Get the greatest benefit from this.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Well, my parents gave me a car, and they pay
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: for my apartment, and they're paying my tuition. I'm here
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: on a scholarship for my violin officionado status.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: I'm a phenom here.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: I'm already at the front of the line in everything,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: and now I'm at the front of the line for
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: BYU football and basketball games.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: How did nobody in the room say, raise their hand
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: and say, doesn't this penalize the many students that we
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: have that are like hardcore working stiffs that are just
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: trying to better their lives through a BYU education.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, aren't a lot of them married?
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: And don't a lot of them have kids? Yeah, that's
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: certainly a part of this, certainly a part of the
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: last the last thing he said. There was certainly a
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: part of the backlash online that I saw here people
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: like I've got a family and I'm going to school.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: I can't attend that many of these Olympic sports games,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: and I'm I'm not gonna I'm gonna risk not having
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: football tickets or having way worst football tickets because of it.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: And obviously football is a lot easier to attend because
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: there's only six or seven home games and it's always
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: on a Saturday, with a couple of exceptions there, but
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: only one game a week there. I will say this,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: I applaud them for trying to do something to incentivize
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: the students attending more than just a couple of the sports,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: though because that I appalled them for trying to do it.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: This is probably not the way to do it, but
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's it was a good idea.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: You know what you do. Here's what you do.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: You give people a discount on their rock Pass the
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: next year, or you refund them if they attend a
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: bunch of based on their attendance, a bunch of women's
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: sports and baseball and things like that. You say, you
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: buy your your two hundred and fifty dollars rock pass upfront,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: and if you attend a certain amount of baseball games,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: soccer game, volleyball games, you know what, then we're going
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: whatever percentage of the total Olympic Sports games that you attend,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: this you get that, You get that percentage of your
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: total cost on the rock pass back. In fact, if
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: you go to one of all the Olympic sports, that
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: means you get the whole two fifty back.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: You get the it's a free free pass for you.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: That's the way to do it. That's the way to
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: do it. You're welcome, b Why you had just solved
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: your problem?
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: Do we need do you feel like Utah and the
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: MUSS should institute something like this the only thing And
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: this is gonna sound like throwing tons of shade, but
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: it's unfortunately true. They're gonna they're not gonna be able
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: to be like BYU and be like football and men's basketball. No,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: men's basketball is gonna have to be included in the
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Olympic Sports at Utah because that's been a tough tough
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: thing for attendance for the MUSS there over the years.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: And it's because they haven't been winning, that's true. And
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: gymnastics doesn't get included, yeah.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: So because gymnastics is a hard ticket, always always full,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: robust attendance for gymnastics. So so yeah, so football and
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: gymnastics are the are the sports that hey, like, let's
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: let's try to attend more than just red Rocks events. Okay,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: and men's basketball and the rest of the sports are
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: the ones that lumped in with the Olympic sports.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: I actually think it's a great idea to try to
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: incentivize your student fan base to attend more games. I
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: don't like the idea that the kids with the most
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: free time are the ones who get the greatest benefit here,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: because yeah, I didn't even think about that. It is
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: those guys who don't have to take maybe guys and
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: girls who don't have to take school as seriously. Maybe,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: and look, maybe they don't want jobs. Hopefully everyone's taking
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: school seriously. You can fit your study schedule in usually
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: around a game or two. Sure, but really, who this
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: penalize is as students with jobs. Yeah, that's you know
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: how messed up that is. You're penalizing people who have
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: to work for a living, knocking off not everybody.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Some of us were fortunate enough.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: I was very, very lucky where my parents were willing
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: to pay for my schooling itself. When I couldn't get
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: filled with scholarship, they were willing to pay to fill
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: that gap. I am so grateful for that. I was
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: so lucky to not have to take out student loans.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: My parents did expect me to pay for my life.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: They want, I paid for my groceries, I paid for
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: my rent, I had to pay for my car. I
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: had to do that stuff. Fun fun money had to
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: be from you.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I chose to walk away from a scholarship
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: to walk on at the University of Utah, they were like,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: all right, that's your choice.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to work. We are not going to
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: fund you playing football. Football is something you feel is
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: necessary in your life. It's not something we feel is
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: necessary in your life. If you want to be a
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: walk on, have fun, go for it.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: Not on my dime.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: You're going to We will pay for your school. You
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: have to get the right grades. You have to pay
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: for your life. And so I did, and nobody, thankfully
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: was penalizing me by not letting me in the basketball
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: games because of it, or giving me worse seats at
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: basketball games because of it. I'm angry at you BYU,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: for penalizing the very few people that are like the
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: lower middle class or the lower class, or the economically
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: struggling student that somehow got into BYU and somehow found
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: a way to pay for BYU.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: And now you're.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Taking away some of their student experience, or you're diminishing
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: some of their student experience, not taking it away.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: I want to be fair, they're not taking it away.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: You don't have to go to Olympic sports events in
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: order to get a football or basketball ticket, but your
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: football or basketball ticket will be lesser than because you're
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: not able to have the amount of free time as
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: some of your peers, and you're paying the same amount
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: of money two ordred and fifty bucks. So yeah, yeah,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: good idea.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Wag of the finger, wag of the finger.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: To you, good idea, just probably different, should adjust the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: system a little bit, hopefully they do. Is that the
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: roar of of Sean O'Connell is that the ross it's
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: towards the rock?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I could just this, we could just call it
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: the rock, the roar of o C. Right, you're right,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: the Rock, my rock.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: I guess roar of OC would be the Rook, the Rook,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: the raw, the Roc.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want the same name. I
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: don't want an acronym name.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Did you see uh do you see Greg's text on
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: the text line.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: I did see Greg's text. I'm actually excited about this.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: We got on a random tangent about what you know.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: High school.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: Student sections in Utah are called and this is from
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: Greg on the text line, Oh see, I'm an ancient
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: Jordan beat digger. Shout out to you, gold Dot Pride,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: Love my fellow beat diggers at the Old Jordan on
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: ninety four hundred South. Haunted amazing, great building, loved it.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Weird smell in the wrestling room.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: Didn't love that.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: On ninety four South, the basketball court was known as
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: the snake Pit. Kind of cool, all right, so not
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: necessarily directly related to to Beat Diggers, but snake pit.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: You know what, I'm actually bothered that there are not
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: more snake mascots and more rattlers, even rattlers, cobras, diamondbacks.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: What are we doing? We're them in a desert state here.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially down south where I'm from.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: There's not one. Is there? Not that I can think
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: of right now?
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Seven seven three five three zero seven hundred? Is there
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: a single snake mascot in the state of Utah. Talking
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: about high schools, there's I'm sure there's elementary schools that have,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: but height of the high school, I bet there's not
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: one in elementary school. Elementary schools They're like, we're not
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: naming our mascot after a snake that's going to scare
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: the kindergarteners.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you might be about that eight seven seven
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: three five three zero seven hundred.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: If you know a snake mascot, well, we've really gotten
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: a field far afield here. That's what happens occasionally on
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  Speaker 1: Gonna take some time.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: James dug this up from the Action Network, the dirtiest
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: teams in college football. Over the last six years, they've
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: been tracked the dirtiest teams and one of our in
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: state universities is top five dirtiest teams in all of
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: college football.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you which one next.
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• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: Action Network has tracked for the last six seasons, the
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: dirtiest teams in college football, the most penalized teams.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: In all the land.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: One local university is top five dirtiest teams in all
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: of college football?
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Can you believe that? Who do you think it is?
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: It certainly could not be the University of Utah, Not
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: on Morgan Scalley's watch, not on anyone's watch, not letting
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: that slide, not happening, not under Kyle Whittingham, nobody.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: Utah actually the eighteenth cleanest team in college football, according
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: to Action.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Network Top twenty All Clean, Let's go.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: Unsurprisingly BYU is also one of the cleanest teams, slightly
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: higher on the clean index, a couple of spots ahead,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: which is honestly kind of where they belong.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: Clean on the inside and clean with the way they play, absolutely.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Clean on the inside, clean on the outside.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: Ohio State also in the top twenty somewhere, so nobody cares.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares about that. Nobody cares about Ohio State. Ohio
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: State is irrelevant in college football. If only that were
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: the case.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: No, the Utah State Aggies are the fifth dirtiest team
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: in college football. UAB is number one, Toledo is number two.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: New Mexico with seven and a half penalties a game
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: for sixty five yards is third. Pittsburgh is the fourth
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: dirtiest team, and the Utia State Aggies seven point one
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: seven penalties per game, sixty three yards a game in
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: penalty yardage, two point two five penalty first downs a game,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: which means that you are extending drives at least twice
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: a game for your opposition with penalties.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Sometimes three or more times a game.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually worse than UAB, who's the number one team.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: The number one ranking comes with how many penalty yards
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: they give up per game. UAB gives up seventy yards
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: a game in penalties. So this is it's important to
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: note here a lot of these teams not the same
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: coach for these six seasons, not like you know Kiwanie
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: at byu wit at Utah in this in this time
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: period here, this was Trent Dilfer's UA B for a
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: few years there, and I don't know who else New Mexico.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: There's at least one year with Bronco in there, and
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: then and then who knows the other the other head
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: coaches in that time also.
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  Speaker 1: Last year, Bronco, are you the problem. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Also one year, one of the years in this range
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: is last year at Utah State under Bronco Enden Hall.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting. So New Mexico and Utah State both on
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  Speaker 1: this list. Bronco, what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Some Aggie text in did you know that you have
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  Speaker 2: the top five one of the top five dirtiest teams
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  Speaker 2: in all.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: Of college football? Actually, this is this is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm scrolling down and I'm verifying to make sure, but
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: the Utah State Aggies uh surrender more penalty first downs
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: per game than all teams in the country except for Pittsburgh.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: Really that's not good, that is I mean, that is
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: the devastating stat there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, penalty yardage sucks.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Uh. Racking up you know, six seven penalties a game
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  Speaker 2: is excessive and unnecessary. It's really what kills like, what
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: kills you is when your drive is killed or another
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: drive is extended because of a penalty. So if you're
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: gifting two plus first downs per game, which they are
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: the Aggies are over the last six years, that is
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: that is terrible. Sorry Aggies, I mean to bring that up.
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  Speaker 2: I I do quibble a little bit with the Action
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Networks wording here because dirtiest, dirtiest. The connotation is that
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: the kinds of penalties they're getting are outrageous. This is,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: but what they're talking about is just penalties in general.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Like it could just be like a bunch of false starts,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not necessarily dirty. Yeah, but then you
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  Speaker 2: would just be calling them the most undisciplined.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but that's that's the way.
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  Speaker 2: You get clicks as you and attention as you come
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  Speaker 2: up with some some word that makes you feel some
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  Speaker 2: kind of motion with it, which of course hooked me
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: to go look at this list.
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  Speaker 1: So it worked.
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  Speaker 2: We don't like to generalize and stay tereotype in college football,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: but you can when it comes to the service Academy
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Army the cleanest team, air Force, the second cleanest team, Navy,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: the sixth cleanest team. Wow, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, and Northwestern
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  Speaker 2: are all up there.
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  Speaker 1: Those very clean old Midwest teams there, Midwest boys, the
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  Speaker 1: Midwestern teams are really clean.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: They're not you're not beating any allegations of of your
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: kind of like square polite stereotypes. Let's see Wisconsin is
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: number fourteen, Indiana's number fifteen, BYU sixteen, Georgia seventeen, Utah eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: I think that there's got to be some correlation here
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: between your geographical location and your cleanliness or dirtiness. But
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: Utah State bucks that trend because they got a penalty
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: problem up there in Logan.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: Apparently Bronco Mendenhall might have a penalty problem too with
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: his teams.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: Two of his teams, New Mexico and Utah State in
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: this range both top five. Hey teams in the South,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: what's your problem? Utah State is five, okay, rounding out
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: the top ten Miami, North Carolina, Mississippi State, Tennessee, and
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: then Texas San Antonio is number ten. Yeah, uabs in
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: the South as well, and they're the they're the dirtiest team,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: most penalized teams. So yeah, the Southern five of the
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: top ten Southern teams having a problem with penalties. All right,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like your I don't like the cut of
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: your jib usc we don't like you either. Eleventh dirtiest
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  Speaker 2: UCLA Arizona State fourteenth, Colorado eighteenth. I'm noticing a trend here,
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  Speaker 2: Party schools dirty, lot of Big twelve teams too. All right,
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  Speaker 14: I'm doing great, OC, How are you doing all right?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: Anything revelatory from post practice media availability today?
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 14: I mean, I think the biggest thing for me is
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 14: Jordan Gross said right now, now there's ten guys he
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 14: feels comfortable with on the offensive line. I know that
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 14: the offensive line has been the biggest question mark amongst
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 14: Utah fans this spring summer as we started fall camp,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 14: but encouraging to hear there's at least ten guys that
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 14: grows feels comfortable with you. Two days into fall camp.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: So obviously we've talked about this before, but that is
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: for most people, the biggest question about this Utah football team.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: Can you hit your stride with an offensive line that
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: will feature five new starters? And I think realistically we're
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: going to see some combination of different bodies. I love
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: hearing Jordan Gross say there's ten possibilities there. The most
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: fascinating one for me and probably for some people who've
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: been following the recruiting picture is Kelvin Obot and where
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: does he fit in? Does he fit in at all?
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: So I put an over under out there today of
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: five and a half games started by Kelvin Obot? Does
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: he start half the season or less for the University
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: of Utah? If you had to go with the information
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: you got now, your gut feeling, the eyeball test when
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: you watch that monster walk it on and off the field,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: what would you say to the over under of five
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  Speaker 2: and a half games started for Kelvin Obot as a
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: true freshman.
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  Speaker 14: Well, it depends on what position are you talking about.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: Does it matter? Does it matter?
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: And that's why I think it's a more intriguing question,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: because like, is he gonna be your starting left tackle?
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: Is a true freshman, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: Is he going to be a guy that you put
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: at right or left guard and let him then grow
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: into the tackle position. That seems like a decent plan
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: for me. Jordan Gross and some other people have alluded
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: to the same. Kevin mcgiven came on this show and
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: talked about him getting reps at guards, so any position
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: on the offensive line. I don't think we'll see him
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: play center. But you can answer the question however you choose.
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  Speaker 14: I'm gonna say under just because I think that solat
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 14: Hoamoei and Keith Olsen are your two starting guards and
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 14: unless they, God forbid, get hurt, those two aren't being
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 14: jumped on the too deep. In my opinion, I think
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 14: Cackle is a little bit more interesting just because there
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 14: isn't as many bodies that tackle as we know there
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 14: are for the interior of the line. Because obviously have
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 14: Cedric Jefferson in the Montana State transfer, who Jordan Gross
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 14: called out today as someone who made big strides during
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 14: the off season, which is also very encouraging to hear.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 14: You have Zaraway Williams, you have Soren Shinowfield, Garcia's in
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 14: that conversation as well. So I want to go under,
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  Speaker 14: but I don't think that's the reason for Utah fans
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 14: to panic, because oddly enough, Utah might be in this
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 14: exact same position again at this time next year, trying
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 14: to figure out who they're starting five are again. Because
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 14: outside of you know, Solatoa, who should get an extra
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 14: year back if my math is correct based on the
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 14: new five for five rules, everybody on this or and
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 14: Cedric will also be back. But you're gonna need to
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 14: replace replace Key who Olsen. You're gonna need to replace
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 14: Arroway Williams. You're gonna need to replace Alex Harrison. So
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 14: there's three spots up right there next season. But I'm
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 14: going to go under because I one think everyone on
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 14: this offensive line is going to stay healthy I'm projecting
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 14: right now. And two, I just think that it's going
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  Speaker 14: to feed Kelvin to just go a little bit harder
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 14: and work a little bit more because he knows that
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 14: there are so many guys ahead of him.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm taking the over because I think that you
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: don't bring in a five star guy, highest rate to
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: recruit in program history, and then not expect that you're
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: going to play him in at least half of a season.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: And I know that it's supposed to be all merit based,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: but we're playing with a salary cap now, and I
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: think that there's going to be some of that that
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: factors in at some point for Kelvin Obot this year.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: But I want to hear from all of you out there.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: Over under five and a half games started for Kelvin
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: Obot on the offensive line this year, sounds like an
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: encouraging offensive line picture.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: With that being a big question. You just alluded to
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: the new.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: Five for five rule and eligibility, any update to any
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: thing that we know about Nickarie Rodgers and the possibilities
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: of him rejoining this team.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 14: Someone actually asked Marktuaya about it today and he said
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 14: that it's something they're kind of, you know, working through
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 14: and seeing if they possibly can. And then I follow
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 14: it up and I said, how if you do bring
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 14: the carri back, Like, how does that affect LaMarcus Bell,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 14: who another highly touted freshman that's coming in and stuff,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 14: Because with that five or five you can't work. You
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 14: can't red shirt LaMarcus now, like you have to start
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 14: pumping reps into these younger guys earlier in their careers,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 14: and so I don't know. I it's one of those
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 14: things that's interesting because Morgan said earlier in the week
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 14: that they have one to two scholarship spots that they
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 14: or roster spots actually is the technical term that they
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 14: can work with. And there's still some muddy waters on
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 14: who can come back, like what happens if they're not
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 14: in the portal. Like I saw something earlier today that
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 14: said that if a team adds a player who is
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 14: not in the portal prior to like April or whatever,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 14: that's head coaching gets suspended up to fifty percent of
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 14: the season. So then you have to worry about, Okay,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 14: well does that go towards Nakari. So it's just it's
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 14: one of those things where I'm just kind of in
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 14: a wait and see basis.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 14: I'm not going to say for sure you ta going
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 14: to bring Knack back, but I'm also not going to
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 14: shut it down completely.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the fine print rules are interesting. I think the
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: way that I understand it is, if you want to
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: come back, you either had to have had some foresight
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: to put yourself in the portal before you, you know,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: kind of finished up, which I don't know why anyone
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: would do that, or you have to come back to
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: the same place you were already at, because then the
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: portal wouldn't come into play, and that ghost transfer rule
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: wouldn't come into plays. The way that I read it
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: and understood it, I'm not sure if that's accurate, but
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: that's how I interpreted it.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 14: It's so confusing right now with all of these these
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 14: lawsuits and injunctions and everything like that. I feel like
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 14: I needed to get a law degree and not a
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 14: journalism degree with how much I'm reading lawsuits and stuff
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 14: right now in this current junction of college athletic Yeah, we'd.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: Probably I'll be better off covering sports now if we
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: had better legal experts tease. But here we are, so
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: just a few days into camp and no no media observation, right,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: I mean they've they've stuck with that. You haven't been
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: able to watch any practice yet?
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 14: Nope, we have not seen any practice.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we're we're operating on the the statements of
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: players and coaches, and we all kind of came in
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: with the same questions. We already discussed. The offensive line thing.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Anyone been given particular shout outs about you know, maybe
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: being a surprise so far or someone who's starting to
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: separate themselves in any of these other rooms.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 14: Yet Chad Bump has mentioned Tobias Meriweather this morning is
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 14: somebody who you know, came out of the gates early
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 14: in fall camp, especially because Tobias inn't practice in Spring
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 14: for Utah. So Tobias was called out by Bump this morning.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 14: Luke Wells called out Little Moni, who again wasn't available
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 14: during the Spring for Utah, as somebody else that he's
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 14: gotten eyes on. It's just it's one of those things
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 14: where it's it's like you have an idea of who
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 14: you think the guys that are going to contribute are
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 14: on this roster. But I feel like every year, without fail,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 14: there's one guy that kind of you know, gets spoken
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 14: about a lot and everyone starts buying the stock. Now,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 14: I think Cyrus Paulu is probably the best case and
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 14: the best like bet right now for who that could
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 14: be this year. I mean at this time last year,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 14: everyone was talking of Jackson Benny and look look how
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 14: that turned out. So if Cyrus can even if we
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 14: get to see Cyrus and he plays to the way
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 14: that everyone's speaking that he's playing. I think the Utah
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 14: linebacker room is in insanely good hands. But it's been
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 14: you know, the usual names that we've heard, but Tobias
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 14: and Will were the two that were brought up today
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 14: that we haven't heard. Are all fall You.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: Just mentioned Jackson Benny.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: We played the sound from yesterday of him post practice,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: and you know that that safety room, I don't think
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: the picture of like at least the rotation is as clear.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: Everyone is like, yeah, your safeties are good, But I'm
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: not ready to declare anyone a starter yet necessarily because
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: there's so.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: Much talent in that room.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: And I know, speaking with Morgan last year when he
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: still was coaching the safeties, he was really high on
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: some of the young guys coming in. And obviously there's
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: versatility with someone like a Jackson Benny to play Nicol
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: if you need him to. So, what do you know
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: about or what do you think about the safety rotation
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: Because it's a crowded room.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 14: Well, coach Derek Odom today said that, you know, he
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 14: does a lot of mixing and matching with the guys
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 14: in his room because there is so many guys that
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 14: are up for competition, Nate, Richie Jackson, Benny, Nate Tillman,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 14: I'm trying. My brain is just rabbit Evans. My brain
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 14: is just blanking on everybody else, Manny Fuller. There's so
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 14: many guys that are available to play in the safety room,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 14: and so it's a lot of mixing and matching. And
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 14: I think that a big thing with guys is not
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 14: to get complacent because it was this depth in the
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 14: safety room. If you fall half a step back, somebody's
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 14: going to be there to overtake you by a step
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 14: and a half. And so I think that that's really
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 14: good and that's encouraging. And there's different guys who can
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 14: do different things in this situation. If there's a guy
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 14: who's a lot better in ren support, he might be
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 14: seeing a little bit more time than someone who's specifically
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 14: better in coverage. And I think that's what's gonna make
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 14: Utah's defense I think even more hard to beat this year,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 14: just with across the board, the amount of talent and
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 14: the amount of guys that can do different things. That's
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 14: gonna be hard for opposing offense is the scheme against
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 14: especially if the safety room takes a step forward in
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 14: the tackling department, which again Odom spoke about and how
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 14: the guys in his room want to be better tacklers.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 14: They want to get better at that, they're willing to
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 14: do it. So as a whole, I like where the
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 14: safety room looks. I agree that heading into Fall, I
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 14: did think it was going to be Jackson and Rabbit
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 14: who are going to be your starters. But now it's
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 14: kind of one of those things where it's like, could
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 14: it be Jackson and Nate Ritchie? Could it be Nate
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 14: Richie and Nate Tillman, Like, there's so many different mixing
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 14: and matching that can happen, and it's going to be
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 14: really fun to see how that continues to shape up
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 14: as Fall goes on.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: Do you do you have any insight on the defensive
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: line rotation the trench play? Right?
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: The trench play is going to be so massively important
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: because you've got all this unproven talent, and you and
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: I have discussed is kind of every time you've come on,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: and we always appreciate your time, but we watch certain
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: players kind of take a step forward and excel a
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: little bit in Spring, and now we have to operate
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: on trust that we're getting the right information from coaches
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: and other players and things like that, And I was
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: always I felt like I was always able in the
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: past to get a good sense of who the guys
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: on the d line were going to be by watching
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: the five minutes we got to watch of them. Now
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know, and the coaches keep saying Carson CALFUSI.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: Who else?
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 14: I think Carson's the biggest name that we've heard. Consider stantly,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 14: that second spot is the one that's really interesting to me.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 14: Like Lucas Samsul, the Wyoming transfer, he looks so much bigger.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 14: Like standing next to him in the scrum yesterday, I
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 14: was like, Okay, yeah, this Steve Sanders string the conditioning
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 14: program looks to be paying off. He's someone that I
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 14: think could be in there, especially because he wants to
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 14: stop the run. That's his thing. He prides himself on that.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 14: Then you have Ji moy the San Jose State transfer,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 14: who you know, people are are knocking on him because
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 14: he's six foot two ninety, but that kid has the motor.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 14: And when you hear offensive Lineman repeatedly saying that he
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 14: is the hardest guy to block on that defensive tackle room,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 14: that's something that at least for me, sets off alarm
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 14: bells in my head, not like battle alarm bells, but like, oh,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 14: this could be something that could turn into some production
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 14: in the fall type of alarm bells. Jamal Wallace the
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 14: Tennessee Transfer. I've heard some good things about Poopoo sepalone.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 14: I've heard some good things about that he's been, you know,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 14: doing over the last couple of months and stuff. But
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 14: I honestly think it's I don't want to say it's
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 14: a good problem to have, but I like that the
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 14: fact that we don't know who it's going to be
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 14: because I think, again, like we talked about with safety's,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 14: I think this defensive tackle room, there's so many guys
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 14: who do so many different things that I think you
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 14: can mix and match and you can play with this
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 14: tackles room to do different things, whether it be you
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 14: put Carson and Lucas out there and you just have
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 14: two guys who are six four plus who are just
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 14: there to stop the run, or you put you know,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 14: jam and Jai out there who are a little bit
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 14: more shiftier and a little bit quicker, who can get
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 14: off blocks faster, who can get into the backfield. So
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 14: That's one of those things that those battles that I'm
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 14: also really interested to see how it develops as fall goes,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 14: because if guys start separating themselves, then I think that
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 14: that's a good thing for Utah. But if you head
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 14: into this season with you know, four or five six
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 14: guys you feel comfortable with, I think that's also kind
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 14: of encouraging because last year I think that at least
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 14: in looking back, I think there was probably maybe one
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 14: and a half guys that people felt comfortable with on
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 14: that defense, in that defensive tackle room. But it feels
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 14: a lot this year than it did last year.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: Sammy Moore for a couple more minutes here on the
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show, talk in Utah football camp. They are
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: three days in now, plenty more to go. Obviously, the
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: Idaho kickoff is less than a month away now, and
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: you got to get from here to that kickoff as
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: healthy as you possibly can. That's one of the reasons
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: why a change was made in the strength and conditioning program.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: And we have heard you mentioned his name.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: We've heard several players in the early parts of camp
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: coming out of the summer talking about how the Steve
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: Saunders program has worked out very well for them personally,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: how their bodies feel different. Guys have taken off fat
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: mass and added muscle mass because of this. I mean,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: how many people are mentioning this, Sammy. It seems like
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like one of the main themes of
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: the early conversations.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 14: I mean, every single player in the scrums this week
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 14: has been asked about it, and every single player had
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 14: something good to say. I think the biggest one that
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 14: stands out for me, specifically with Alex Harrison, you mentioned
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 14: that there were guys in this offensive line room who
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 14: lost weight but gained twenty pounds of lean muscle, like
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 14: in just a two month span. Alex himself said that
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 14: this is like the best he's ever felt, and he's
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 14: he's been around the block quite a few times for Utah.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 14: So you have him saying that, you have Lucas Samsula
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 14: saying the same thing. Even Day told us after his
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 14: from that he's up to two hundred and seventy pounds
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 14: and he looks the part. And this is not just
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 14: weight that guys are putting on, like that bad weight
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 14: that people talk about, just like fat and stuff like
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 14: it is muscle and from the eye test so far,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 14: a lot of guys look a lot different and it's
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 14: really encouraging. And you know, the coaches today said that, yeah,
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 14: there's been some bumps because guys, especially on the offense
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 14: and defensive line, are learning how to you know, move
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 14: and do different things with the new weight on their body.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 14: And as much as I think Luther Ellis said, as
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 14: much running and conditioning you do in the summer with
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 14: new weight, it's different than when you're actually playing football
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 14: that new weight. So guys are still getting used to
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 14: it and stuff. But everything that we've heard so far
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 14: from these players has been highly, highly encouraging. About Steve
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 14: Saunders and what he's done in two and a half
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 14: months with these.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: Guys, Uh, your first we're getting a lot of milestones, right,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: Morgan Scalley's first win as a head coach back in
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: the bowl game, his first spring ball. You get a
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: lot of firsts in this initial go uh, his first camp,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: his first camp.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: Is the head coach. Any noticeable differences based on what
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: you are able to glean, I mean.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 14: Jackson Benny mentioned that they're not doing you know, twenty
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 14: three period practices. They're doing you know, shorter period practices.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 14: But Morgan wants one hundred percent effort in every single
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 14: one of those periods. That's not how things used to
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 14: be with Kyle. It was longer practices, bloody tuesdays, all
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 14: of those things. But it seems like Morgan is turning
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 14: more to It's okay for it to be a little
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 14: bit shorter, but I want one hundred percent effort this
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 14: entire time and we'll see if that pays off. We'll
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 14: see if that has to change as time goes on.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 14: But that's less reps, which I know people are like, well,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 14: less reps equals not good. It's like, no, if those
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 14: reps that are taken are high quality reps, it's better
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 14: than having quite a few low quality reps in my
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 14: opinion at least, because the higher level competition these guys
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 14: are playing with in practice is going to let the
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 14: cream rise to the top and you will have, you know,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 14: your eleven starters on offense and your eleven starters on defense.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 14: Who know what it takes to play at this level.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 14: And so that's the big thing that stood out so far.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 14: Obviously we are early two days in the pads. Had
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 14: it been on, we don't know, like Morgan even said,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 14: we don't know what we have with the offensive line
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 14: and defensive line fully yet, because you know, they play
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 14: a lot different in pads versus when they're just in
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 14: you know, their shelves and stuff. So as we go on,
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 14: I think we're going to start learning a lot more
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 14: about what Camp Morgan or whatever we as the fans
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 14: and media decide to call this this fall camp. We're
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 14: going to start learning more as time goes on. As
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 14: of right now, I think that's the biggest thing to
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 14: shut out is just the shorter practices but with higher efforts.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: I have de Lawn Wright coming on in about four minutes.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: Anything you think I should ask Talon?
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 14: I have not a single clue. OC.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: That's all right, I can. I can do my own job,
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: but I don't need you to do it for me.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: I guess I just was. You know you have you
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: have good questions, a good insights sometimes, so I wanted
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: to I want it.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be lazy and see if I could
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: get one from you.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 14: Hey, if you ever want to talk basketball, are are
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 14: you insider? John Leone? He's the guy that talked to
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 14: you about Utah basketball. He's you know, talking to recruits
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 14: and stuff for us, and he's going to be leading
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 14: the charge hopefully for us this fall when it comes
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 14: to basketball.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: All right, last thing before I let you go, uh,
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if anyone's asked this yet, and
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: I know it's maybe not fair because you don't get
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: to really watch practice, but one of the big things
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: that is an early indicator or not with Utah football
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: in recent seasons is are they coming in prepared to tackle?
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: How much tackling do we know or not know they
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: are doing in this fall camp?
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 14: Well, Odem said that they that Morgan is giving them
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 14: time to work on tackling, which it should be, like
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 14: I should be hearing applause across the valley right now
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 14: that there's dedicated time to tackling for this defense, because
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 14: that's been an issue for the last you know, two
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 14: ish maybe three years. Is just the inconsistencies. And I
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 14: know that Kyle said that a lot of it was
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 14: we didn't want to tackle as much in fall camp
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 14: because then like the injury percentages goes up and stuff
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 14: and whatever his reasoning was for that. But if Odam
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 14: can get these guys tackling better, especially in the safety
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 14: room who had the highest rate of mistackles last year. Like,
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 14: I think that this defense is in a really good
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 14: shape because everybody else on the defense did you know,
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 14: a little bit above average and tackling. Dan Thorns and
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 14: our publisher at ut Zone did a great breakdown of
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 14: percentages of how many mistackles happened last year, where they
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 14: came from, all those types of things. So if you
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 14: haven't read that, go over to you zone and check
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 14: that out. But with tackling, I think that's a high
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 14: priority and a high focus for Morgan, and I think
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 14: Odum is a great coach to get that bug fixed
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 14: with this specifically the secondary in the safety room.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: Knocking on wood that everybody stays healthy and obviously that
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: we see them on September third, Ready to tackle.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: Sammy, thanks so much for your time and all your work.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: We're live on air while you guys get to do
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: your thing up there, so I won't be seeing you
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: as much as I wished I would, but thanks.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: For the time.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 14: Yeah, no problem was waste.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Sammy Mora one of our insiders
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: over there from Ute Zone. Ute Zone Wednesdays here on
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM. All Right, James,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: I get at least five James Peterson bonus points because
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: we're for the first time in the show history, we're
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: on clock.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: All right, Delon Wright, really proud of you. Ocright.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: One of the all time great Utah basketball players is
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: joining us next. He is going into the Utah Athletics
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame this year. That will be a Week
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: three Utah State Hall of Fame game induction. Deln Wright
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: joins us next on The Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven
• 2:08:19
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• 2:08:25
  Speaker 7: If you were listening to about Sean O'Connell show your
• 2:08:27
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• 2:08:31
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• 2:08:35
  Speaker 7: to one half an. All Right.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: During this upcoming Utah football season, the twenty twenty six
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame class for Utah Athletics will be honored
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: in Week three. That'll be the Utah State contest. And
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: one member of that Hall of Fame class is kind
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: enough to join us on the Sean O'Connell Show right now.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: The Utah Basketball edgend, the longtime NBA veteran Delon Right
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: here on the show.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: Delan welcome, how are you, sir?
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 5: Hey, thank you for having me.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 4: I'm doing really well. You know.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 12: I'm just happy that I'm going to be able to
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 12: come back to Utah and I'll celebrate.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: And it'll be fun to see you be celebrated. Uh,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously it's not at a basketball game. It'll
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: be at a football game. But uh, there are a
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: lot of people right now that are kind of like
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: champing and pining for, uh, the glory days of Utah
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: basketball when we're producing NBA players, NBA draft picks, and
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of heavy lifting that needs to be
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: done before I think we returned to that. But as
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: an alum of this program and of this school, how
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: much you have you been able to see the changes
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: in what's going on with Utah basketball And how long
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: do you think it could be before or how quickly
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: do you think we could get back to, you know,
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: when there's more Delon Right type players coming through the program.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I like.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 12: I like for a program. I say, now we have
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 12: a few, you know, good young guys that's come in.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 4: That I've been able to check out, so hopefully.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 12: They can grow and be the anchor in the core
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 12: of you know, the program for the future, and then
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 12: you know, just keep on adding players like you know,
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 12: we have the portal now, so just we have to
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 12: hit on a few gyms like myself. You know, I
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 12: wasn't expected to do it idea in Utah, but somebody
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 12: needs the opportunity out there, and hopefully they get opportunities
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 12: to come to Utah and produce and you know, we'll
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 12: be able to get back to those glory days.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: It's probably an unfair question to ask how you made
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: it happen, but you know, like you just said, you
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: didn't come in with a bunch of fan fare. Maybe
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: you weren't expected to end up being a consensus All
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: American and an All Pac twelve type performer, but that is,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: of course exactly what you were, and that's why you
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: ended up being a draft pick out of this University
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: of Utah basketball program. What what was it that you
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: were able to capture or maybe that you know, it
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: was a teammate or a coach, or maybe it's a
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: you know, the village raising the kid, whatever it is
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: that allowed you to have the success you had at
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 5: I really think it was my village, my family, my brother.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 12: Obviously being an NBA player, I had a few you know,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 12: I feel like my mindset coming in was always I know,
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 12: I had two years to come in and hopefully try
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 12: to change the program around, because I knew that if
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 12: I helped change.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: The program around that it would make me look better.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 12: So I just always had to, you know, put the
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 12: team first, put the university first, and reaped.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 5: The benefits later once I left the school.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 12: And you know, my plan worked out perfectly, but I
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 12: just didn't know that it was gonna plan pan out
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 12: like this. So that was always my vision on going
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 12: to Utah was to try to help turn turn around
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 12: a program. Instead of going to a let's say, a
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 12: U c l A where do you you know you
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 12: can get lost in a shuffle. I want to go
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 12: somewhere wh I could stand out and you know, leave
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 12: a legacy well.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: And you certainly did stand out.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: Obviously, first round draft pick coming out after the college
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: accolades that I just mentioned, All American status, PAC twelve,
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: All Pack twelve Team, All Pack twelve defense.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: Interesting for me.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: I grew up here in the state of Utah, moved
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: here when I was nine years old, and I kind
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: of watched the transition of Utah being a basketball state
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: and the University of Utah being a basketball school into
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: some of that maybe focusing more on football. And you
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: were you were part of a of an era where
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: the football team was growing into being in the Pac twelve,
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: the basketball team was growing into being in the Pac twelve.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: And it's actually basketball that had individuals decorated faster, right,
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: You and some of your teammates ended up being more
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: I think, more of a seamless transition into the past twelve.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: Then it took the football team a couple more years
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: before they really achieved the ultimate success and and even
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: from individual players, uh, from your perspective as a basketball player,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure attending some football games and seeing all
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: the hype that was going on there and attendance has
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: since your era dwindled at the Huntsman Center. I mean,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: what is that like for a player to be on
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: the roster, to be on the team, and maybe your
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: your team is not the primary focus of the fan
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: base anymore like it was when I was a child.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 12: Yeah, like that, that's exactly how it was when I
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 12: got there. When I got there, well, the year before.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 12: Well when I when I committed there, they were like
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 12: five and twenty five, so I didn't get to go
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 12: to a.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 4: Game when they weren't as good.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 12: But I've seen video and stuff. So when I mean
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 12: even my first few games there, the Huntsman.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: Wasn't really packed, yeah, as it was when I left.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 12: So for me, like I took an account all those things,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 12: like all those things motivating me going of the football games,
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 12: seeing them sold out, seeing how the fans, you know,
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 12: really embraced.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 4: The football team.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 12: I always knew that if things went the right way,
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 12: that the Huntsman would.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 5: Fill up and they will want to see us play.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 4: You know. I'm just like they needed a player, They
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 4: needed a few.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 12: Of the guys to come rally behind and me another
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 12: the other few guys that are there really embrace the fans,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 12: and we make sure we gave them a reason to
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 12: come out and support us.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: Dylan Wright is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: former Utah All Everything player who will be inducted into
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six Utah Athletics Hall of Fame class
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: at the Utah State game this upcoming football season. The
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: university always takes pride in their athletic departments, developing NBA talent,
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: developing NFL talent, developing Olympic gymnasts, developing people who go
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: on to great says at the next level. And I'll
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: sit here on sports talk radio and I'll brag about
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: it and say, yeah, this is a great university for that,
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: without ever having taken that journey myself. So I'm asking you,
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: how did the University of Utah develop you into being
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: an NBA player? What did your time at the University
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: of Utah do to prepare you for what you would
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: eventually face in the NBA.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 12: Yeah, so that was also another reason why I wanted to,
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 12: you know, play for the university. You saw, Larry Kostoviak was,
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 12: you know, a former NBA player, former NBA coach, and
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 12: that was his selling point to me was, you know,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 12: our style of play was going to be similar to
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 12: a NBA.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 5: System.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 4: So they did a.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 12: Great job of implementing me into that system and letting
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 12: me kind of have the freedom they gave me, which
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 12: was the make decisions or you know, the team, whether
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 12: I was on defense or offense.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 4: So I f like the system.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 12: Being playing under Larry Cstogak was very beneficial for me,
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 12: and you know, the sisting coaches did a great job
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 12: also when he wasn't around, of keeping me accountable and
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 12: keeping the rest of my team that's accountable.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: How many of your teammates you still talk to on
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: a regular basis. I mean a lot of these guys
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: are working in offices now, and obviously some of you
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: are still in the NBA. Is there like a is
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: there a running youth group chat from the fourteen to
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: fifteen season?
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: Still?
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 12: Oh no, we don't have a group chat, but I
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 12: talked to about six or seven of the guys just
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 12: checking in. I know, everybody has their own lives now,
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 12: a lot of a lot of everybody the fathers now.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 5: So you know, you just try to check in when
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 5: when you can.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 12: And I'm pretty sure one day once everybody's done playing
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 12: and all settled in a new life where all we'll
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 12: all meet up and get to reminisce.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: Dylan.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: Where where does you know, being inducted into your Alma
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: Maters Hall of Fame?
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: Where does this rank for you?
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: How meaningful is this for you as someone who's obviously
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: gone on to a really healthy NBA career and right,
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: You've made an incredible career for yourself and a future
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: for your family based on being a great basketball player.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: So I could see maybe college and the importance of
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: your college experience kind of fading because of what you've
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: done at the NBA level.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: But I don't want to put words in your mouth.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: How meaningful is this for you to be recognized by
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah?
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 4: Do you know what?
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 12: I was just thinking about that the other day. So
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 12: when I was getting all the accolade for Utah, you know,
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 12: the Bob Cooley, the first team, first team off back twelve,
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 12: I was just like, Okay, that's just another thing I want, Like,
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 12: I'm not really you know, I was excited for but
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 12: I always have bigger goals, and now that I'm pretty
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 12: much done playing, it's very surreal to get inducted into
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 12: the Utah Hall of the Same.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 4: So I would say it's up there with being drafted.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 12: Because you know that that's me leaving the legacy, you know,
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 12: behind for my kids and my grandkids to see. So
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 12: I would say it's right up there with being drafted
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 12: and playing in the NBA.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: So what's going to be next for Delane Wright? Have
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: you have you planned out this next chapter? If the
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: NBA career is indeed over, Uh, do you know what
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: you're gonna do next?
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 12: I just want to get the teen years, which I
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 12: did in the NBA. I'm not a fish to retire,
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 12: but you know, I've just been golfing and hanging in
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 12: Los Angeles with my family, enjoying not having to get
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 12: up and worked out, and you know, the grind of
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 12: a of a basketball season fold. I haven't officially maybe planned,
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 12: but you just say, I'm golfing and just figuring out
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 12: life right now.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: Well, to be.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: Fair though, I mean you you could do that, but
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get bored even that. At some point, will
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: you be will you be a basketball lifer? Will you
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: be a coach? At some point? Will you be in
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: a personnel department maybe somewhere? Could you see yourself back
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: maybe at the University of Utah? They need they need
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of help right now to develop this program.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: Are you going to be a basketball lifer who always
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: works in some capacity in the game.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 12: When I was playing, I always said no, I always
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 12: said I couldn't be a coach because you know, they're
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 12: they're at the office and at the gym loan in
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 12: the players, and you know, I always fought against that.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 12: But I'll say now that maybe in a few years
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 12: I'll get back to it, but as of now, don't
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 12: really I don't really see myself doing anything with basketball.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 12: I would love to explore to do something else and
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 12: excel at that. But if, if, if it all comes
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 12: with you know, pusshoves, I'll come back into basketball in
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 12: some capacity. I would love to do something with U
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 12: tah I I'll do, you know, whether that's the academic department.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 12: I don't only see myself coaching, but something in the
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 12: you know, the academic department or athletic department, Sorry not athletics.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm always interested when it comes to professional athletes
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: in this because right this this time, transitioning out of
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: being an athlete can be tough. Being a basketball player
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: is a huge part of your identity. And like, if
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: you're if you're not going to stay in basketball, and
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: we'll just go with that assumption for now. What else
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: interests you? What else are you into or have you
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: been into? Are you a guy who, like you don't know,
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: real estate? There's guys in fashion, there's dudes who are entrepreneurial.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: What intrigues you as you know, you keep these possibilities open.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 5: Yes, I am heavy into real estate.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 12: If I'm not watching golf, I'm watching like house tours nice.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 5: It's it's a YouTube.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 12: It's a YouTube channel where they show like, you know,
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 12: fifty million, hundred million dollar houses, and that kind of
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 12: intrigues me to one day try to build something or
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 12: live in one of those homes. I don't know whatever,
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 12: whatever happens happens, but yeah, real estate I can see
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 12: myself to diveing into that heavy. It's a whole in
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 12: the world. So I've just been trying to learn it
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 12: and see if it's for me. But that's probably number
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 12: one on my lists.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: Did you have a favorite NBA stop? I mean, you
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: got to be a lot of different places in your career.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: Was there one season or one place that stands out
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: for you is the most meaningful or the most fun
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: or anything like that.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 12: Yeah, definitely Toronto, being trapped there and being there for
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 12: three and a half years was probably my favorite stop,
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 12: just because you know, I got to see a lot
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 12: of underdog type of players growing to superstar star rows.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 12: You know, that whole bench mob on my you know
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 12: that I was on a part of all became starters,
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 12: So that was very unique for fourth year seniors to
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 12: come into the NBA and become All Stars and seniors.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 12: So that was that was That was probably my favorite
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 12: stop just because I was there the longest.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: Your final stop, if it is your final stop, is
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: the eventual New the eventual world champions in the New
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: York Knicks.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: What's it like to be part of a franchise going
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: through that kind of like renaissance revival and getting back
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: to you know, the legendary championship season that they ended
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: up with.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 4: That was unfortunately my second team that.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 12: I did that the Raptors won, Rightland got traded and
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 12: then the next one, you know, the next year, I left.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 12: So I don't know if it's something I don't know
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 12: if it's me or if something's going to come back
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 12: around for me to win one day. But yeh know,
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 12: it was crazy to be a part of going to
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 12: the Eastern Conference finals the previous year they won it,
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 12: and then them pretty much running it back and went
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 12: into the finals.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 5: It was a very unique to see the city.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 12: Come alive and support their New York Knicks, and I
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 12: was happy for those guys, because all those guys are
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 12: good guys.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 4: And when I got one.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 12: Of my injuries, they all checked on me and made
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 12: sure I was good. And I stayed in contact with
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 12: Og the most, and you know, I was rooting for him.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 12: So I'm glad that they won, and I'm glad that
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 12: New York was able to celebrate after fifty plus years.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: I was just in New York last weekend, and I've
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: had to travel there a bunch in recent year years,
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: and it's wild how just more visible the Knicks fandom
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: is now that they have won that championship than it
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: was even like three or four years ago. They've they've
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: taken kind of the number one spot. It seems like
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: in the city again, over from the Yankees or from
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: the Jets or the Giants or anything else. It's like
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: New York is once again a Knicks town, if that
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 12: Even on the road, wherever we went, we probably had
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 12: just as much fans.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 4: Of the opposing home team. So I didn't realize that.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 12: Was, you know, such a big fan base until I'll
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 12: play for them, and I can see, you know, how
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 12: that can how that city can be a mixed you
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 12: know city Now, before I let.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: You go, Delon, you know, you're going in as an
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: individual Hall of Famer at the University of Utah. When
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: people are, you know, talking about the great utes of
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: all time, your name is going to be put on
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: that on that list because of your college accomplishments at
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: Bob Kozy Award, because of your uh, you know, your
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: your NBA career that followed after your draft position, all
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: that stuff. What would you like Utah fans to know?
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: What would you like Utah fans to say about you
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: when it comes to legacy and being a Utah basketball player?
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just I was a good, humble guy.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 12: I never put myself before the team, and I knew
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 12: that what the teams says would come individual success and
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 12: that was always my.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 5: Main goal coming there.
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 12: And I know that I'm getting the recognition, but it
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 12: was truly a team effort, from the coaching staff to
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 12: the training staff, all my all, my teammates, the fan
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 12: base who motivated me, you know, seeing seeing them get
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 12: behind me once the team start to or not get
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 12: behind me, but get behind the you know, my teammates
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 12: and I once we start to get better and.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 5: Put a better effort and too, winning.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 4: And I just embraced Utah so much.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 12: All my golf head covers, I have Utah.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 5: Everything all around my house of Utah. So I really am.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 4: Utah through and through.
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 12: And this is truly I'm honored for me to you know,
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 12: getting dusted into the Utah the Hall of Fame. So
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 12: I just you know, I'm very proud that I am
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 12: going into this.
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 5: And I'm know I'm getting a recognition once.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 4: Again, but this is you know, a community award.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: Well, congratulations, We look forward to seeing you at the
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: game coming up, and congrats on a great career. Hopefully
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: we see around Salt Lake City more often. Delane, thank you.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 12: Thank you a pleasure, pleasure of being here and talking
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 12: to you guys, and I look forward to seeing the
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 12: guys you know coming up.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: Saying that is Delon Right going into the Utah Athletics
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame with the twenty twenty six class, Zane Beatles,
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: Daria Bjak, Katn Smigen from Skiing, Delon Wright, Jerry Pim
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: former basketball head coach, and the nineteen ninety one softball
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: team are going in. Uh good get James. Awesome to
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: catch up with Delon Right, big fan of delon Uh
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: and he carved out a really nice career for himself,
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of like not probably not the traditional path
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: in the NBA, right he was changing teams as often
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: as he did. But man, making it more than a
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: decade in the top league in the world, obviously, and
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: that's a that's an accomplishment in and of itself. Yeah,
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: and never never a regular starter in the NBA, but
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: always a key player off the band and kind of
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: spot starter in the back court. So and you have
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: to be at least that to make it ten years
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: in the league. So, like he said, shouting out the
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: bench mob days in Toronto, which included his Utes teammate
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: Yakab Pertle as well on that team being and then
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: unfortunately not being part of the championship a year later,
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: but then and then having the same thing happened with
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: the Knicks. A little bit lesser role with the Knicks there,
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 2: but he just he always made some kind of impact
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 2: no matter what the expectation was as to what kind
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: of role he was going to because by the time
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: he got to the Knicks, his last NBA team a
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, they weren't expected he wasn't expected
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: to play very much, but when he needed to play,
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: when he was called upon, he had a He played
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: a key role even when he was at the end
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: of the bench. I remember that in his heat days
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 2: as well a few years ago. So I just think
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: he was able to overcome the low expectations to become
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: a star in college and then he kind of continued
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: to do that in the NBA, to to not be
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: a star, but to have a high impact in whatever
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: role he was in. I think that's a great legacy,
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: believe Toronto, Memphis, Dallas, great City, Detroit for me, also Man, Sacramento, Atlanta,
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: great City, Washington, great City, Miami, awesome City, Milwaukee, Neutral,
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: take it or leave it, New York.
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: He got to play in some pretty cool markets.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: So you can't call it anything but a great success
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: of an NBA career. Delon Wrights will go into the
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: Athletics Hall of Fame and maybe maybe someday we see him.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: Back in Utah. It is really cool.
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  Speaker 1: It's his birthday today, it is.
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  Speaker 13: Indeed, let's be clear, I'm not just like I didn't
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  Speaker 13: walk in the studio watching Patrick Ewing highlights on my phone.
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  Speaker 13: It's on the ESPN and look I would it's my
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  Speaker 13: guy number one. Oh I remember this. I was at
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  Speaker 13: that game that was in Miami that was in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Flex.
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  Speaker 13: Okay, what a flex that I attended a basketball game
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  Speaker 13: and it was in Miami.
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  Speaker 1: Was on the road?
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  Speaker 13: Okay, oh, Flex that I attended a road NBA game.
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  Speaker 13: What'd you go to London last week or something to
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  Speaker 13: go to Wimbledon? I was, yeah, exactly. Flex got to
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  Speaker 13: Patrick Jewan dunks. I have a question for you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 13: So I did did a podcast this morning for my
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  Speaker 13: friend's son, who is trying to learn this business because
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  Speaker 13: everybody has a podcast now. He did a really good job,
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  Speaker 13: but he asked me something right off the top that
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  Speaker 13: I thought you would be good with. You've hung out
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  Speaker 13: and been around a lot of famous people, right, sure, athletes, MMA,
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  Speaker 13: football players, How would you articulate what famous people are like?
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  Speaker 1: Just as people? What are famous?
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  Speaker 13: It was one of the first questions he asked me,
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  Speaker 13: because we did some background going to road games in
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  Speaker 13: Miami and such. He said, what are famous people like?
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  Speaker 13: And I thought, first, no one's ever asked me that question.
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  Speaker 13: For I thought for a second, and look, I'm talking
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  Speaker 13: to like Denzel want Washington, you know, like Tom Hanks,
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  Speaker 13: that type of level of fame, and honestly think they're
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  Speaker 13: all kind of weird. They're all just kind of like
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  Speaker 13: in their own world, well, they have no frame of
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  Speaker 13: reference for how the real world actually works.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't been around a lot of famous like actors
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  Speaker 2: or musicians. The very very few that I have, it's
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  Speaker 2: been brief interactions when I was working security with like
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  Speaker 2: Sun Dance and things like that. But I will say this,
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  Speaker 2: they're they're theater They're theater kids. They're weird theater kids. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that have grown up and become mega famous.
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  Speaker 1: There's still that.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, who's the most famous person? You've had a conversation
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  Speaker 13: with Taylor Swift?
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  Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yeah?
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  Speaker 13: That's like she's like the most famous.
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  Speaker 1: What was t Swift like, uh, aloof but not in
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  Speaker 1: a rude way, but just like you know, moving through
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  Speaker 1: a schedule, kind of like they're all just in.
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  Speaker 13: Their own world. Yeah, it was my takeaway. I've never
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  Speaker 13: chatted with te Swift.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, it was when we were working a Sundance.
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  Speaker 2: We were working Sundance and she was like on this
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  Speaker 2: whirlwind thing tour with Sundance and the dude that worked
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  Speaker 2: for the same private security company that I was working
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  Speaker 2: for that she then like basically requested, I want that
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  Speaker 2: guy was the smallest, most unassuming of all the people,
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  Speaker 2: like he was He's like five to ten and he
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  Speaker 2: was just really good at just kind of like navigating
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  Speaker 2: spaces without being rude to people. And I think that
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  Speaker 2: mattered to her. Yeah, and so he got to be
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  Speaker 2: on like her detail. She has her own private security team,
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  Speaker 2: but the production company that she was doing the thing
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  Speaker 2: with whatever, they she was like, yeah, that guy. And
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  Speaker 2: we were all jealous of course, because we're like, oh man,
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  Speaker 2: you get to be on the Taylor Swift thing. That's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be awesome and a good money too.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, dude, I sat in a chair outside
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  Speaker 1: of a hotel room door, but had to be awake
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  Speaker 1: for like twenty four hours and then she you know,
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  Speaker 1: gave him a big tip and it's very nice to
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  Speaker 1: him and stuff like that. But yeah, I mean they're alien.
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  Speaker 1: They live in a different world.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the celebrity, the musician and actor celebrity
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  Speaker 2: is different than the athlete celebrity. So that's and then
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  Speaker 2: like not athletes are all created equal, Like hockey guys
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  Speaker 2: are just cool guys. Fighters are either just cool guys
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  Speaker 2: or they're the worst that you've ever met in your life.
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  Speaker 1: Just extremes on both ends exactly. NFL players are.
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  Speaker 2: For the most part, like kind of cool but distant
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  Speaker 2: because they're better than you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like then they know it. They're just like
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  Speaker 1: do I need to talk to you? Do I need
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  Speaker 1: to learn your name? Do I need to know who
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  Speaker 1: you are? But yeah, I mean you can't generalize. I
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  Speaker 1: guess too much.
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  Speaker 13: Well, and you're smart to put them in different buckets.
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  Speaker 13: Like musicians are a mess, They're all it's chaos.
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  Speaker 1: Because I worked in that industry.
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  Speaker 13: For about two years and we were looking bands and
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  Speaker 13: you know, never really booked one of our acts with
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  Speaker 13: I think our biggest band was like Soul Live for
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  Speaker 13: a while if you know who they are, but you know,
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  Speaker 13: kind of having some access to backstage stuff. I can
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  Speaker 13: remember going backstage and seeing Ben Harper and meeting Ben
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  Speaker 13: Harper and the criminals shout out, I believe that's no
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  Speaker 13: longer a thing and just chaos, like they're all a mess.
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  Speaker 13: They all smell like patchuli oil. They're all older at
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  Speaker 13: the usually they're baked or drunk or both, not normally,
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  Speaker 13: not all of them. I went backstage at MSG to
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  Speaker 13: a Metallica show once because I went through a little
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  Speaker 13: Metallica phase in the nineties, and yeah, just like musicians
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  Speaker 13: by far to me are the most chaotic, like strange level.
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  Speaker 1: And then actors, you nailed it.
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  Speaker 13: It's the geeky theater kid in elementary and high school.
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  Speaker 13: They just continued that arc and suddenly is getting paid
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  Speaker 13: to be the same weird, dorky little theater kid you.
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  Speaker 1: I will tell you this.
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  Speaker 13: Denzel Washington may have been the nicest normal famous because
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  Speaker 13: I was really intimidated. He was good friends with Alan
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  Speaker 13: Houston's father and Grant Hill's father, so they were outside
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  Speaker 13: the Nick locker room once and this was close to
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  Speaker 13: like training day Denzel, which awesome, awesome movie, right, and
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  Speaker 13: I'm just like, I have got to meet Denzel Washington.
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  Speaker 13: Totally nervous, but approached him and he started asking me questions.
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  Speaker 13: It's like, what are you into? What's your deal? You know,
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  Speaker 13: like super super nice guy. I remember meeting Matthew Modine once.
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  Speaker 13: He was a weirdo. Okay, So actors, I think on
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  Speaker 13: a scale, I'll go musicians most chaotic, then actors right
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  Speaker 13: after that, and then you put the athlete thing perfectly.
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  Speaker 13: They're just like looking at you, like sizing you up.
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  Speaker 13: And then if you if there's no reason for them
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  Speaker 13: to talk to you, they're not going to. If they
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  Speaker 13: don't have to, they're just not going to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: One of the weirdest things that has happened in my
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: life is I've kind of become friends with ray Lewis.
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  Speaker 1: On Accident Watch Your Back, because he's.
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  Speaker 2: He was an investor in the PFL, so he was
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  Speaker 2: constantly present at at events, and you know, he was
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  Speaker 2: willing to do celebrity appearance type stuff and like pop
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  Speaker 2: on camera with us and stuff. So it's like, for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, we would have a ton of conversations backstage
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  Speaker 2: because I'm a big football nerd, and I would just
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  Speaker 2: you know, pick his brain, and I think, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: well not exactly that, but I think he enjoys talking
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  Speaker 2: story a little bit, you know, And I'd be asking
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  Speaker 2: him about the glory days of Miami and he told
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  Speaker 2: me a lot of fun, fun stories about you know,
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 2: like how he was groomed into being like the guy
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  Speaker 2: that he ended up being at Miami, Like Warren Sapp
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  Speaker 2: was like, no, here's what you do. You tell him
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  Speaker 2: that you're not going to play unless they give you
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  Speaker 2: this car and that kind of thing. And I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: what a wild Like ESPN thirty for thirty but in person,
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 2: and like so you get that that's a He's a
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  Speaker 2: celebrity for like five different reasons, you know, and one
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  Speaker 2: of them is like kind of scary. So you're like, huh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but we're kind of buddies when I see him at
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  Speaker 2: least that he like knows my name, and it's just weird.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's a guy you want to be on the
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  Speaker 1: right side. Yeah, and he's still could play like he
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  Speaker 1: is physically a different species than the rest of us.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, So you know what, I was actually just thinking
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  Speaker 13: about this because I don't know if you want to
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  Speaker 13: say a loof nature of some athletes. John Stockton and
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 13: Patrick Ewing, ironically enough, are very very similar because they're
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  Speaker 13: not bad guys, like if you can crack the facadeity,
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 13: but but they're very very private, like most sports fans
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 13: in Utah, in this market of a certain age have
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  Speaker 13: a Stockton story, and the majority.
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  Speaker 1: Of them are not awesome.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, I can remember being in basketball at
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  Speaker 13: the Jazz basketball camp when I was like ten with
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  Speaker 13: my cousins Chad and Jay, and John drove the Honda
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  Speaker 13: Accord and we were standing outside after practice after the
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 13: camp had ended, and we were just standing by John's
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  Speaker 13: car and we're ten years old, like, this is John
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  Speaker 13: Stockton's car, and John was like my first basket hero.
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  Speaker 1: We all wanted to be John Stockton.
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  Speaker 13: And all of a sudden we hear this, hey, kids,
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  Speaker 13: get the hell away from my car, and we turn around.
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  Speaker 13: It's I'm ten years old. Like it broke my heart,
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 13: the old saying never meet your heroes. I was so sad,
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  Speaker 13: but you know, you get older. And then I've interviewed
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  Speaker 13: John a bunch. He's far from a bad guy, and
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  Speaker 13: Patrick is far from a bad guy.
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  Speaker 1: They're just very, very guarded.
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  Speaker 13: But I thought in this this kid I did the
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  Speaker 13: podcast with, I think he's nineteen years old, and he
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  Speaker 13: asked me a question that I've never been asked before,
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  Speaker 13: and I thought it would be interesting to get your perspective,
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  Speaker 13: Just like, what are famous people like?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all over the place, the ones that I've met,
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  Speaker 2: but there's some great ones. Randy Couture, don't meet your heroes.
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  Speaker 2: That's one hero you can meet. I've heard about that.
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  Speaker 2: He is the nicest human being I've ever met in
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  Speaker 2: my life.
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  Speaker 1: What about Tito Ortiz? Tito Ortiz is the dumbest person
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  Speaker 1: I've ever met in all right, good good. That makes
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  Speaker 1: me feel better about what I perceive him to be.
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  Speaker 1: You could probably work two years with Tito Ortiz and
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  Speaker 1: he still would not remember your face ordinate the next time.
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  Speaker 4: He saw you.
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  Speaker 13: That tracks based off of my limited knowledge of Tito Orchis.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the Drive with Spence check Its. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: he's got more famous people's stories. Sean O'Connell's show off
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