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#125 - Dave Smith & Tucker Discuss God | There Really Are No Atheists · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  So how did we get here? Are there really such a thing as atheists?
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  Today, we're going to take a look at a conversation that Dave Smith had with
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  Tucker Carlson and where he said there really are no atheists.
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  You can't, it doesn't match with reality.
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  That might be a strong claim, but I'm going to try to defend what,
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  at least what, from my humble opinion, what I'm trying to convey when I say
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  that. My name is Brandon Fogel. This is Evolution.
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  Let's dive into it. This is what sets off anyone for their worldview and how
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  they interpret the world and the reality that they are walking into each day.
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  Everybody wakes up. We all came out of some sort of dream.
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  I mean, the weirdest dreams imaginable. Even when you're off,
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  when you're powered down, you're still going, it seems like.
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  You never stop. We never stop. Our minds never quit.
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  They keep going. And so I've really struggled with thinking about how things
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  existed before I was born.
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  Because if there's anything to it that this world and this might go completely
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  against what I'm going to even try to say. So let me start off with that.
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  But that this world existed before I was born.
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  It really happened. I see like I'm reading about things and events taking place
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  in 1980 or 1984. I was born in 1985, and I was like, I wasn't really existing at that point. How?
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  So I can kind of get how you could think that even when we die off and we're
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  gone away and everything, you know, we have finally, you know,
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  been put to rest, that the world is going to continue to go without us.
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  Because, I mean, that's the only way I can even think about it, because...
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  Was going before I got here. You know, real events were taking place before
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  I landed in this world, before you landed in this world.
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  You know, the world was in motion. So that is something that kind of like can
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  make me, because is that just in me that I want something right?
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  Because right now I can't imagine or fathom me not existing.
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  So I need to create something outside of this world.
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  I need to create, you know, I think about just dictators throughout history
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  and how they would control the masses. They would give them that pie in the
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  sky, you know, or people that just did slavery over people.
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  Let them have a little bit of hope outside of this life that they can look to the next.
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  So there is all of that. And that like, I get that, you know,
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  because it is rational to think that people would put a thumb over people and
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  try to control people by giving them hope that there's something outside of
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  their existence and they can live for something greater than the here and now.
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  Having said all that, because I mean, that is, those are the things that like,
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  I can understand why there might be atheists and why people might have,
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  take a sideways look at people that really believe in this God that exists out there.
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  But we're going to take a look at what Dave Smith, he was an atheist for a long
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  time. I was like, I was indifferent.
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  I was probably what you would say an atheist, but a lot of people really haven't thought it through.
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  We just assume that there is a God. A lot of times we assume that he's there
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  because it's the only thing that can explain why we have morals,
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  why we think some things are right or wrong, why there was a world that is even out there.
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  But Dave Smith, he says, and he's going to get into it a little bit,
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  is his come to, I wouldn't say come to Jesus moment because it looks like he's Jewish.
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  But then again, the Jewish people might have the tightest knit to Jesus there is.
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  They're physically, naturally his brothers.
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  They're the ones that the wool, the slight blindness has happened to them that
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  they can't see that their Messiah has come.
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  You know, they're going to be Joseph's brothers. That's going to,
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  their eyes are going to be open.
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  And then like, you were the Messiah this whole time. I cannot believe it.
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  But I don't know his situation on Jesus. But this is, he did come to a God moment in his life.
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  But before that, he talks about just conversations he's had with people.
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  And he talks about Tucker and Brett's sit down together and Brett's like elocution
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  of how there is existence without God and explaining it away.
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  And Dave does not buy into all that. One of the fundamental flaws in atheism
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  is that it doesn't really exist.
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  Yes. They think that's the flaw in believing in God.
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  See, they think the flaw in believing in God is that God really doesn't exist.
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  God does exist. What doesn't exist are atheists. There's no such thing. It's so true.
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  And you could even get into, like, maybe if there was such thing as atheists,
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  it would be a good thing to be one.
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  But there aren't. They don't exist. They all have their religion.
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  And it's almost...
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  It's almost by definition that whatever your highest thing is becomes your religion.
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  I don't know if it's quite by definition. And I suppose it is theoretically
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  possible to be an atheist, but almost no one ever is.
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  And so that is actually very profound because it's saying something that we
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  inherently know inside.
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  We know that there is a God.
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  And he talks about times in his life he did not believe in God.
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  He did not think he was there, but we still act and live as if he is.
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  And just that sense that I think of C.S. Lewis and he says, there's so many
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  things in this world that just don't satisfy me.
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  And maybe it's because I was made for another world.
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  Maybe you were made for another world. Everything we chase at in this life,
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  it always leaves us high and dry. It doesn't get us anywhere.
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  We don't feel any, ultimately, any more peace by attaining it.
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  You can chase money all day long and want to win the lottery.
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  You know, I wouldn't mind winning the lottery, but, you know,
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  it seems like the people that win the lottery, it doesn't end up turning out well for them.
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  So maybe it's not the money or people that want fame and they finally get it.
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  They're like, I wish everybody got fame so they could see that this is not what it's all about.
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  There's nothing that we would chase after in this life or substance that we
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  would just shoot into our body or drink up or smoke up that's ever going to
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  give us what we deeply desire inside.
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  The only thing that is going to do that is God.
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  And Dave is going to talk about that in this, in his come to God moment,
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  when it was, it was when things were going bad in his life, not really bad.
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  It was the best moment in his life. He was about to have a child,
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  but there were complications in the pregnancy.
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  And he's like, I could walk out of this hospital alone.
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  And it, you always hear there's no real atheist, especially in foxholes.
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  You won't find an atheist in a foxhole because you could be the most staunch atheist in the world.
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  But when you're in a building and it's about to come down, you're going to be
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  praying. You will be praying.
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  Everybody will be. I mean, that's just who we are. We know he's really there.
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  It's a lot of times us just giving a stiff arm to that reality that we know exists.
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  But this is his moment when he talks about coming to God. I thought it was very
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  deep. I had to take a look at this.
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  And there was one, you know, like, again, I'm almost a little uncomfortable
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  talking about these things because I like talking about things where I have
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  like a real tight argument that
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  I can prove is irrefutable. This is a more profound argument, actually.
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  But it was something where I was like, look, so in the moment,
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  when it was really all on the line and out of my control, I wasn't thinking maybe God exists.
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  I knew for a 100% certainty, unlike nothing I've ever known in my life,
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  that not only did I know that God existed, but I knew what he wanted from me.
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  Like I knew what my negotiating power in this was, is that I could,
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  you know what I'm saying? Like I could promise I'll be a good person.
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  I'll do. So not only did I know God existed, I knew that God wanted me to be a good person.
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  And there was, and look, this is something that people who have found God know
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  and people who don't believe in God maybe will not accept, but there is something
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  too, when you open yourself up like that to God.
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  Like you find out that he's real.
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  And it's not like he speaks to you or he hallucinates.
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  I don't like see a fiery bush in the words of. That is so real.
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  And I know a lot of people out there, you might not believe in God.
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  You might be agnostic to this whole thing, but I would say there's no real atheist,
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  but agnosticism is a legitimate deal.
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  You know there's a God. You know something is out there and sprung all this
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  into existence, but you just can't.
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  It's hard to say for sure and certainty that this is it.
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  I am overly convinced just by
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  everything. I can't in a scientific tube say this is Jesus is the Messiah.
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  He is the son of God. all the claims of the Bible about him are correct.
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  I can't put that in a test tube and show you.
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  This is how it is, you know, but it's like looking at all the evidence,
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  I definitely side more that is more probable that it is.
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  He is the he is the purpose that all of this has been put in place.
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  It was created by him and it's created for him, you know, and that's what Dave's
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  like just humble assertion that whenever I open myself up to God, I knew he existed.
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  I knew he was there. and he'll say in another part that just like if I walked
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  away from our conversation, Tucker, I wouldn't say, yeah, I think Tucker Carlson exists.
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  I think he's a, I think he's real.
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  He would say, I know for a fact he is.
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  And that's, I think a lot of times it's just for atheists or agnostics,
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  wherever you're at, it's just when you start talking to him,
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  when you actually start talking to him, because that was the,
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  he says that in a little bit earlier on this conversation, I was in the hospital
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  and I just started talking to him for the first time.
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  I can remember the very first time I actually started talking to God.
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  And when you actually start talking to God, you will be put in such awe and reverence.
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  And you will, for me, I immediately broke down.
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  I did not know that I had done anything wrong to this God, you know,
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  but I, for some reason, naturally, I just wanted to repent.
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  I was sorry for everything immediately. And I didn't even, 10 seconds earlier,
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  didn't even know there was anything to be sorry for, really.
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  I was just an evolutionary cosmic accident wandering through this world 10 seconds prior.
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  But this was very enlightening. And I think it goes to anybody's come to God moment.
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  And I would like to see more about Dave and find out more about his views.
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  He doesn't talk about this all the time. So I thought it was very insightful
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  and enlightening to hear from him.
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  So if you've liked this video, please smash that like button,
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  share it with everyone, subscribe to this channel. My name is Brandon Fogle.
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  This is Evolution. I do this every day at 7 a.m. Central Time.
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  All right. Have a great day, everyone.