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JK ULTRA: Mind Control, Magick, and the New Spiritual Internet · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see somethings are going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the occult Rejects Today we are joined
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  Speaker 1: by Jennifer Comedy, better known online as jk Ultra, a creator, researcher,
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  Speaker 1: and host whose work moves to consciousness, astrology, aliens, ai, spirituality, occultism, metaphysics, conspiracy, culture,
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  Speaker 1: and the strange new religious atmosphere of the Internet. Her
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  Speaker 1: work under Neurolchemy explores subconscious reprogramming, hypnosis, soul work, and
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  Speaker 1: the ways people attempt to transform the mind from the
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  Speaker 1: inside out. Jennifer's work lands directly in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: one of the strangest developments of our time, the rise
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  Speaker 1: of the spiritual Internet. The old occult world had temples,
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  Speaker 1: Grimoire's initiatory orders, trans states, spirits, symbols, and ritual technologies.
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  Speaker 1: Now those same forces are moving through podcasts, TikTok feeds,
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  Speaker 1: live streams, AI tools, astrology apps, UFO, testimony, manifestation culture,
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  Speaker 1: hypnosis programs in digital communities where millions of people are
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out whether they are waking up, being programmed,
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  Speaker 1: being exploited, being initiated, or some combination of all of it.
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  Speaker 1: So today we're going to talk about JK Ultra, mind control,
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  Speaker 1: magic and the new spiritual Internet. We'll get into online spirituality,
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  Speaker 1: algorithmic influence, hypnosis, subconscious reprogramming, manifestation, conspiracy culture, AI astrology, UFOs,
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  Speaker 1: and the battle floor attention in the world where the
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  Speaker 1: black mirror is no longer a ritual object on the altar.
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  Speaker 1: It is the glowing screen in everybody's hand. But before
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  Speaker 1: I introduce you, sure, let me introduce the other co
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  Speaker 1: hosts on the show. We got Judith the Loon. What
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  Speaker 1: is going on? Judith? Thank you so much for making it.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I'm glad I was able
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  Speaker 3: to make it. I look forward to this discussion. Everyone else.
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  Speaker 3: You could catch me on my show on speaker X
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  Speaker 3: and YouTube as the Loon.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And Marcella, thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for coming on and thank you for bringing such an
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  Speaker 1: awesome guest. I look forward to this.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Yes, I'm so glad you're here John, and yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I am. Everything you can find on me is on
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  Speaker 4: my website Marcelloprol dot com. I'm speaking on Friday at
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  Speaker 4: UC Davis for World Tarot Day up in northern California.
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  Speaker 4: That's from ten to four. If you're in the area,
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  Speaker 4: I'd love to see you.
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  Speaker 1: That is awesome. And what about your deck? Please let
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  Speaker 1: everybody know about it.
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  Speaker 4: The Initiates Oracle is now out worldwide. It's available everywhere. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we've been doing a really great kickoff officially released on
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  Speaker 4: the fourth of May, and just really excited to have
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  Speaker 4: my fifth deck out into the world to help support
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  Speaker 4: people and their practice and their magic.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and if people are interested, please
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  Speaker 1: go back and check it out. Her and the artist,
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  Speaker 1: we're both on the show. And I think that was
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  Speaker 1: really good because you get an insight on both people
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  Speaker 1: where they were at mentally and how those cards will
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  Speaker 1: put together and just the process, you know. So I
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  Speaker 1: think it was a really good in depth understanding of
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  Speaker 1: what was done with that deck. So definitely check it out.
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  Speaker 1: And finally the guest we've got jk Ultra Jen, what
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  Speaker 1: is going on? Thank you so much for coming on
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  Speaker 1: the show and let everybody know what's up with you
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  Speaker 1: and whatever you like to promote.
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  Speaker 2: Hello everybody, I'm excited to be here. So I always
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  Speaker 2: have a bunch of things going on. Right now, I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing a forty Day challenge on social media, where I'm
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  Speaker 2: revisiting all of the topics that I've posted through the
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  Speaker 2: lens of paradox because a lot of my book leaves
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  Speaker 2: have evolved. So that's what I'm working on now. I
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  Speaker 2: also do hypnosis. I do QHHT and group hypnosis on
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  Speaker 2: my substock, and I do a Tuesday Night Live every
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday on YouTube where we do long form content and
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  Speaker 2: you know, talk about pretty much whatever's coming up in
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  Speaker 2: my life in spirituality in the comment section.
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  Speaker 1: That's great, awesome, that's funny. How how you mentioned like
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  Speaker 1: even for me looking at some of the work I've
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  Speaker 1: done in the past, I was like, I'd really like
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  Speaker 1: to redo that because I just think, like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, that's crash now. I hate to say it,
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  Speaker 1: but so I can see what you're coming at or
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  Speaker 1: just even like wanting to cover old topics from a
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  Speaker 1: different angle. So I totally get that, and that's really
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  Speaker 1: cool that you're doing that. Just real quick. I mean
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  Speaker 1: you kind of like maybe explain the tiny bit in
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  Speaker 1: what you just said now, but for listeners who are
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  Speaker 1: just finding out who you are, you know, where did
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  Speaker 1: the jk Ultra identity come from, and like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what is your deal? Like, what's your if you want
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  Speaker 1: to give everybody an idea of what your show's about
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  Speaker 1: and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty two, you know, just me and
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  Speaker 2: a couple of friends thought it would be hilarious to
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  Speaker 2: post on TikTok, and so, you know, we decided, similar
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  Speaker 2: to what's happening now, it's kind of a weird mirroring
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  Speaker 2: bookend of that, that it would be fun to do
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  Speaker 2: like a thirty day challenge and post every day on TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: And I had a friend she wanted to post interior stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Another friend wanted to post some other spiritual things. And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I'm going to post
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  Speaker 2: about conspiracies. And I posted a Gallaine Maxwell video about
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  Speaker 2: her secret Reddit account and it went viral and then
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I got more where that came from.
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  Speaker 2: And then the next day I went to the In
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  Speaker 2: and Out Burger.
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  Speaker 1: Oh shit, Oh I went to comed Ping Pong.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I then that went like super viral, got
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  Speaker 2: like a million views. I was like, oh, okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to go to the Britney Murphy House and tell
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  Speaker 2: you how it was actually the government that did it,
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  Speaker 2: and then over the course of that thirty days, I
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  Speaker 2: did the whole Jompine series and then I did the
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  Speaker 2: whole Apocalypse where I got that went then crazy viral
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  Speaker 2: because I didn't realize what was I didn't realize that
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  Speaker 2: the Apocalypse hits every demographic, every belief, every religion. It's
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  Speaker 2: never really super been my thing. So I was kind
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  Speaker 2: of like, okay, going over these Dolores Canyon Nostradamis books
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  Speaker 2: and she talks about, you know, the birth chart of
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  Speaker 2: the anti Christ, and so, you know, ten years of
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  Speaker 2: going down rabbit holes, I had an idea of kind
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  Speaker 2: of who I was thinking it was, and I posted
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  Speaker 2: this and it just went like crazy and I felt
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  Speaker 2: like not only physically and my phone, but like energetically.
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  Speaker 2: It was like the world was knocking on my door
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  Speaker 2: of like tell me who the Antichrist is. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, wow, this is really irresponsible. If I say
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  Speaker 2: any names like this could really be bad. And then
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of for the next year kind of
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  Speaker 2: spewed out all the rabbit holes and information and spirituality, aliens, timelines,
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  Speaker 2: Mandela Effect, dimensions, reincarnation, and just spewed out so many videos.
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  Speaker 2: It was like ten years of my what kept me
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  Speaker 2: up at night? And then since then, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things have happened. After I kind of released
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  Speaker 2: all that I had dug into, my beliefs did start
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  Speaker 2: changing evolving. I did ayahuasca, and then I really like
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  Speaker 2: changed and started to not see stuff through the lens
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  Speaker 2: of like polarity that much, and you know, the good
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  Speaker 2: and evil, the light and dark, all of those things
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  Speaker 2: I kind of started to dissolve. So over the last
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  Speaker 2: few years, I've been going through that in long form
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  Speaker 2: in like my live streams and stuff. And now I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I think I have the ability to kind of put
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  Speaker 2: these big topic, big topics into like a two or
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  Speaker 2: three minute video that I can actually say it in.
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  Speaker 2: So it's interesting right now I'm kind of having that
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  Speaker 2: bookend of going over those topics again, but through nuanced,
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  Speaker 2: through paradox and kind of like expanding my perspective on them.
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  Speaker 1: Nice. You just name so much stuff that wow.
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  Speaker 4: Not to mention that you did. And you also got
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  Speaker 4: asked that you covered the Weinstein.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so that was also just like I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it like compelled me to like go to the Harvey
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  Speaker 2: Weinstein trial every single day cover it talk, which was
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  Speaker 2: also kind of not what everybody that was like looking
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  Speaker 2: at my work was interested in. But you know what,
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  Speaker 2: it was actually like a deep shadow work for myself,
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  Speaker 2: and I learned a lot, and I think it really
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  Speaker 2: did help me with like the polarity and dualistic way
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  Speaker 2: of thinking, because then when you really like see that
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  Speaker 2: type of trial live, you're like, huh, justice, this is
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  Speaker 2: an interesting topic to dissect, and it definitely was something
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  Speaker 2: I needed for then to kind of move into a
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  Speaker 2: more neutral place with everything that goes on in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, not to like go back. It is like the
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  Speaker 1: cheesiest question of everything you mentioned, But I am interested. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: first let me ask, because I sort in the chat.
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  Speaker 1: I think I've seen it twice. Now, what do you
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  Speaker 1: think of it? Have you ever gotten into Tracy Twyman's work.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. I'm seeing it in.
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  Speaker 1: The Oh yeah, look at that stuff. Yeah, she was
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  Speaker 1: a person going down mad rabbit holes. Yeah no, so
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  Speaker 1: supposedly she's no longer with us anymore. So, oh, but
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  Speaker 1: yeah she was. Uh, probably you'd be interested in her work.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about the chomp in a case?
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, I did such a deep dive. It
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  Speaker 2: was like twenty parts, and there was a lot of
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  Speaker 2: stuff that was never really like talked about publicly. All
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  Speaker 2: the information is there, and it has a weird culture
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  Speaker 2: around it because it was kind of like what we
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  Speaker 2: do now on the internet started then in the nineties,
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  Speaker 2: with like these forums where all of these people were
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  Speaker 2: trying to solve the case in these forums in the nineties,
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  Speaker 2: and so there's a lot of information that is archived
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  Speaker 2: from that time, and people were like really taking it
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  Speaker 2: upon themselves to call people, find things, put information out.
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  Speaker 2: My take on John Benet is, I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what we could say here, but obviously a group
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  Speaker 2: of pedophiles most likely is where it's coming to.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: My biggest thing that I can't stand about it is
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  Speaker 2: that people think it was the brother. I think the
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  Speaker 2: fact that somebody thinks a nine year old committed the
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  Speaker 2: most unsolvable mystery in American history is so demented, and
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  Speaker 2: when you see his behavior, it obviously looks like someone
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  Speaker 2: who was probably abused to and he has a lot
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  Speaker 2: of tendencies of someone who is obviously also very traumatized
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  Speaker 2: by the situation. I think it happened at the party
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  Speaker 2: before bringing her home that night, and then she was
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  Speaker 2: brought home in that state back to the house. So
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  Speaker 2: that that's my take on it. But I never, by
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  Speaker 2: the end of the thing, really said what my conclusion was.
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  Speaker 2: I just put all the information out and let it
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  Speaker 2: kind of see what they thought.
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  Speaker 1: So you believe she exists at least, right too, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's just people she didn't exist, so she's Katy Perry
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  Speaker 1: or some shit.
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  Speaker 3: I remember that case. That was the first dramatic case.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, now it's like, I hate to say it
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  Speaker 3: this way, it's like an everyday thing. It's almost like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's a norm. But back then it was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, who would have done that to such
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  Speaker 3: a precious little child? And I understand your take on it.
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  Speaker 3: How people You think it's wrong that people is pointing
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  Speaker 3: the finger at the brother, But it's like back then,
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  Speaker 3: you wouldn't even think that it could be an adult.
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  Speaker 3: You wouldn't think an adult would have I think they
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  Speaker 3: said it was due to jealousy. That's why people went
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  Speaker 3: to the brother, and that was the most logical thing
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  Speaker 3: back then. Nowadays you put everything together and it's like.
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  Speaker 1: I actually had. I mean not that it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of cool, but it wasn't that close to
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  Speaker 1: the family, But there was I was on a show
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  Speaker 1: called The Spiritual Gangsters and the girl who I was
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  Speaker 1: co hosting with it was her show. She lived in
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  Speaker 1: Toronto and she was friends with a dude that was
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  Speaker 1: like best friends with the brother and he had even
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  Speaker 1: said he was like, He's like, I just don't see it.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't see that you're being able to
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  Speaker 1: do that. I never thought. I just thought that was kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of like a There was a lot of information that
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  Speaker 2: really was not kind of put into that media narrative
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  Speaker 2: when you go into all of it. It's still on
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  Speaker 2: my TikTok and my Instagram if you scroll back if
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  Speaker 2: anybody wants to kind of go down those John Benet
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  Speaker 2: rabbit holes. It really is crazy that there's so much
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  Speaker 2: information that just like nobody talked about and really like
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  Speaker 2: the friend group is very strange. The fact that the
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  Speaker 2: friends were all there before the cops, that the whole
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  Speaker 2: house was just full of the parents' friends at six
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  Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, and Patsy or Patty is still
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  Speaker 2: wearing the same clothes from the night before, and they
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  Speaker 2: were all at that friend's house the night before. There's
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  Speaker 2: just so many weird things. And then there's they stopped
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  Speaker 2: at another friend's house on the way home, and then
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  Speaker 2: there's multiple accounts that the kids came in. No, the
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  Speaker 2: kids didn't come in, they were sleeping in the car.
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  Speaker 2: It just seems like there was To me, it seems
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  Speaker 2: like something happened at the party and there was a
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  Speaker 2: big cover up. And then also too, they had a
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  Speaker 2: private jet and that morning they were all supposed to
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  Speaker 2: fly to Michigan to their other home, and when they're
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  Speaker 2: all waiting for the ransom call, the dad leaves the
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  Speaker 2: house with a bag, comes back without the bag, and
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  Speaker 2: there's people who said that he went and gave it
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  Speaker 2: to the pilot and told the pilot to get rid
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  Speaker 2: of this bag. So it's just so crazy. There's so
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  Speaker 2: many things that letting the parents kind of leave the
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  Speaker 2: house during that time. And also the first detective on
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  Speaker 2: the scene, which was the scene, which was this female officer,
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  Speaker 2: she said that she got like a cold, like like
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  Speaker 2: her blood went cold because she knew that it was
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  Speaker 2: the dad was connected, and everybody just completely bashed her,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, then they befriended the other detective and
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  Speaker 2: they all started going to church with the other detective
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  Speaker 2: and then that detective. She was convinced that they couldn't
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  Speaker 2: have done it because they were all in church together.
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  Speaker 2: There are just so many weird things that but definitely
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  Speaker 2: if you guys want to go down those rabbit holes,
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  Speaker 2: there's a million crazy and every single time, like every
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  Speaker 2: part that I go through, it's kind of like you
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  Speaker 2: could think it's somebody else, and then in the next
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  Speaker 2: one you're like, oh, you can think it's somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: So it's really it is like kind of a real
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  Speaker 2: life who done it? Which is sad because this is
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  Speaker 2: a real person.
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  Speaker 1: Not to keep going on with it, because there's so
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  Speaker 1: many other things that I just think we'd be great
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  Speaker 1: to talk about on the show. It's somebody I had
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  Speaker 1: on Julia cosmic Peach. She when she covered it. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is because they were old,
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  Speaker 1: but I did find it interesting. She said that she
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  Speaker 1: even looked into all these pageants and couldn't even find
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  Speaker 1: proof that they ever existed, So then she was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not to get sick about it, but could
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  Speaker 1: that have been a way of advertising your.
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  Speaker 2: Product possibly, But also I feel like it probably is
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  Speaker 2: hard to prove anything existed in the nineties, right, we
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  Speaker 2: just didn't have what we have now, you know. I
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  Speaker 2: mean there's stuff I did in two thousand and six
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  Speaker 2: that you can't even prove existed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, Judith. Did you have any questions before
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  Speaker 1: I ask another one? Or you and Marsel, so anything
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to say? Okay, when you look at the
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to get to the spiritual internet right now,
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  Speaker 1: do you see people kind of more awakening, more confusion,
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  Speaker 1: or mixture of both.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there is almost like a collective spiritual psychosis
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  Speaker 2: going on right now, which it's like, yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 2: great way to say it.
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  Speaker 1: Holy as.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, like so excited that like the world
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  Speaker 2: was going to awaken, and now I open my phone
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  Speaker 2: every day and I'm like, oh man, that's where I
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  Speaker 2: thought this was going. There's no discernment left. And then
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  Speaker 2: with AI added into the mix, it really is like
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  Speaker 2: collective nobody knows what's true or false or real or anything.
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  Speaker 2: So on top of the spiritual stuff being like and
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  Speaker 2: we all know when you go through a spiritual awakening,
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  Speaker 2: it's like the most ungrounding thing that could like ever
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  Speaker 2: happen to you, so like the collective ungrounding.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. For me, I don't know when
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  Speaker 1: I when I kind of had like certain experiences, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like I wasn't like karmit defrog dancing around with
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  Speaker 1: this teacup, you know, people posting that saying like that's
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  Speaker 1: them at their spiritual awakening. It wasn't all roses for me. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I thought I went crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm a key pinnacle moment. Like there's been key
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  Speaker 4: things that I can like bookmark you know where it
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  Speaker 4: was twenty twelve for example, like I was, I lost
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  Speaker 4: my god, damn. I had like a full on mental
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  Speaker 4: health crisis. I was living like on a pueblo in Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 4: like so I had buffalo neighbors, losing my mind, drawing
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  Speaker 4: little symbols in a notebook like like I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was insane.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, it was insane, but it was my And that's
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  Speaker 4: how I made my first deck, right, And everybody told me,
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  Speaker 4: They're like, what are you doing? I was like, I
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  Speaker 4: had a vision. I had to go to New Mexico
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  Speaker 4: and I like fled California. I think I met you, right,
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  Speaker 4: after that Jen when I came back, because then I
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  Speaker 4: came right and then after like the first ice over
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  Speaker 4: in this place, I was like, I gotta get out
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: of here. I'm gonna die out here. It was like,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: and I don't know if you're familiar with where Powauki is,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: with the pueblo between Espanola and Santa Fe. And I
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: was on like eighteen acres by myself and losing my
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: goddamn mind. And I ended up back in California and
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: then and everybody they thought I was nuts. But I
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: met you right shortly after, and you were the first
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: person I talked to about alien stuff out loud, but
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: like because I couldn't talk about it with anyone. And
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: that's when I feel like that was also peak, Like
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: this isn't pretty, this isn't exciting, this is like.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Like people wouldn't return my calls. I'm like, I'm living
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: out of my car, like I got rid of most
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: of my belongings and what I have fits in my
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: little you know, hatchback, and people were.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, get away, get away.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Those same people now are like, oh my god, I'm
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: an mpath or like weird. You know, things like that
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: so nuts, it's it's it's so funny, the psychosis.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Part, M do you.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I see that happening like in like you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: hugely in the conspiracy I guess theory Roman, especially like
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: kind of in the magic and witchcraft area. But I would, uh,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I hate to get on politics, but I feel like
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: politics is a huge, huge thing that's using kind of
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a medic warfare shit on the internet that is even
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: giving people psychosis.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Is probably worse than the spiritual psychosis because justified.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: You know, a big harvesting thing. I mean, I think
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: it's just like everyone's like who can harvest the most energy?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, like.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: You hit it on the nail.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: That's how it feels.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: That's a really good way to say it, of energy harvesting.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Like literally, I don't know, like the I used to
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: be very politically active, and particularly in twenty sixteen with
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Standing Rock and all of these things, and I've changed
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: a lot of my views as well, in the sense
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: of my participation and what I think works and what's
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: like a lot of shit I just think doesn't really work,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: And a lot of people are mad at me because
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: of that or they've kind of like stopped, you know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: following me or supporting me because I'm not loud like
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I used to be. And it's not it's like literally
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: trying to like go, I don't, I don't. This is
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: theater entertaining at all. It's exhausting, exhausting that actually makes.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: It makes you Do you see it online? I have
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: to say, online, do you see that the political and
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: the spiritual on either side, no matter what you are
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: is too is so is getting so messed together that
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: you can't tell the difference.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say, I mean, is you know it's
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: the same bird, It's just two different ways.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: It's literally that, Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: it's it's had to say it, but yeah, I and
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you know, and you know. And another thing is too
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that I've noticed. It's just like both sides, like I understand,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: like when you want to First off, I think a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: lot of things are actually bots or they're fake accounts. Actually,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of this shit is actually
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: real people. They're just trying to get other people going.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: But they will also show like the most radicalized two
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: percent of five percent of the population, So you think
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: everybody out there like that is like them, you got
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: people probably leaving the house and thinking they're already under
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: attack by like you know, if you're if you're on
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the left, is a Republican out there that wants to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: beat your ass. And if you're on the right, there's
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a you know, someone on the left who's gonna tell
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you to do this, and that you know, it's like
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you're leave in the house like under some fucking false reality.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: There was this I don't know if I would call
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: it a study, some statistic that base they kind of
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: broke up like the political leaning of the country, and obviously,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: you know, if you're on social media, you feel like
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: there's either like the super woke people who want to
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: cancel everybody or the super conservative who want to take
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: everybody's rights away, and you think, like this is the
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: climate that we're living in. And when they actually did
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the numbers of wherever everybody stands, those were both less
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: than ten percent of the population that votes, not even
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the whole population of the voting population. Majority were in
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: these brackets of like like kind of like a lifelong
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Democrat or like a lifelong Republican that really don't get
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: super involved in things. Those were both the largest pieces,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and then there was kind of at the end these
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: kind of what they were calling in this like the
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: vocal minority, which is the loudest, is this little tiny
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: bit at the ends of the spectrum the far left
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: and the far right, and then there's this big chunk
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: in the middle, which is like outsider left and outsider right,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: which kind of either leans independent or libertarian. And you know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: kind of that outsider left was what like say, like
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: someone like a Tulsi Gabbard was or like RFK was
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: where those people on that outside or left are very
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: likely to go to the other side depending on the topic.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And the same for this kind of libertarian side is
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: that they but they don't ever go all the way
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: to the ends, so it's like they're convincing. And the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: same with anything right spiritual community, like let's say like
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the really toxic like New age stuff that's also like
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: a very small group of people. And same thing with
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: like super like vocal of any group, it's usually a
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: very small percentage that is just making the most noise.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you you know, I was gonna say and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you basically kind of said it anyway, I was gonna
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: say maybe eighty five percent, but maybe it's only eighty.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So you can say, if you got like you as people
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and didn't even ask their political affiliation and ask them
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: what would you like to see done, I guarantee you
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: like eighty eighty five percent of the people would all
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: say the same shit. It's just we're being sold a
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: different route to go with it, you know. And it's yeah,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I think we actually all want kind of more of
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the same shit. We're just getting mind fucked by politicians.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Which brings up another question. Do you think our spirituality
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: and you could see it on all spectrums, you could
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: be in occultist, a pagan, a wigan, a Christian, whatever,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: do you think this is a way of reprogramming us
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: using social media?
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I definitely even beyond spirituality, you know, because also obviously,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you know, in the past, I was very into like
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the mk eltrust stuff, and you know, like the whole
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: kind of I'm sure everybody watching is familiar with it,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: but that originally it was kind of like a trained
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: assassin that wouldn't even know they were an assassin. And
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: that's kind of really where it started, was mind control
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: in that way, and then people will see these events
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: that happen, these shooters, these x y Z, we see
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: all of these different things that are happening. There's a
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: million different examples of it to look at every day,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: and people are like, oh, it must be mk ultra
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, they don't even need to mkltru us.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: People are mk ulturing themselves, scrolling on social media all day.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: They are radicalizing themselves. The CIA doesn't have to do it.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: If you have to do it, you're doing it to
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: yourself at this point, Like you're literally radicalizing yourself. So
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I think it used to be more controlled in that way,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: but now it's like they're just and that's with all
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the stuff, the conspiracies, the spirituality. It's like and even
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: like the conspiracies of kind of like I said, this
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: is where a lot of my beliefs have evolved. Is
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: like I would be like, they're distracting us, they want
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: us sick, they want us dumb. And I'm like, oh,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: we're distracting ourselves or making ourselves sick, we're making ourselves dumb.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: We're asking for it. I mean when I say, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: and I honestly I had this like epiphany literally just
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: recently where I was like, I, you know, you see
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: those I don't know if you're familiar with Cup a Pug,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: but it is a pug cafe that started in England.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: They have one now in California, and they have this
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: thing where you can pay right to go in and
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: have a meet and greet and they basically open a
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: corral of pugs and they come flying at you, and
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I was like, this feels like everything that's going on.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: People are like, oh my god, I want this. I'm
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: gonna pay to be inundated with all of this insanity
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: under the guise of having my like my life together
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: and make myself insane, make myself insane with the thing
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: that I think I want. And I literally like had
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: this epiphany watching all of these pugs running out of
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: a corral while they're blasting who let the pugs out?
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: And like and I was like, this, this is what's
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: happening right now.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Just you know, that was pretty deep at a moment
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: My brain doesn't. It doesn't. It's like when it's like
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: that come up, I'm like, Oh, that that's how I'm
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: seeing it, like symbolically, Okay, that's cool.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: So Jenny, you're big in tim k Ultra.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to be. And at this point, you know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I do always think everything's working out for kind of
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: the highest good because even that, I mean, even though
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: like the kind of worst mind control, most demented thing,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: really led to like a collective awakening and the Hippie movement,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: right like when they started giving everybody the LSD, it
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: started like opening everybody up to like we're so much
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: more than this. This is not my true self, these
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: are the stories I'm living. So I do feel that,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: like even nefarious things that are happening, it still is
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: always kind of flipping in that direction. When we can
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: take kind of one of the most documented evil things
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that we have seen in recent times. Obviously there's so
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: many things throughout history that it's not countable, but like
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: in recent times, we have the documents to prove that
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: this was happening, this was true, and even that led
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: to a collective awakening. You know. That's like all of
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: these things, even like Brave New World and all of
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: these things that came out of it, on top of
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the Hippie movement and like this kind of breaking open
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: of the way we think. So I do feel that,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: you know, my perspective has changed. And then as far
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: as people that are into mc ultra, I always tell
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: people like, be pretty careful going down that rabbit hole
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: because it's a trauma based mind control, and everybody has trauma,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: so anybody reading it can convince themselves that it happened
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to them, and you need to be everybody thinks they're
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: super mentally strong, right of course, nobody thinks I'm mentally
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: we very impressionable, immusately brainwashed. Nobody thinks of themselves that way.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: So you go down these rabbit holes. And I have
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: seen because you know, I've had conspiracy psychosis. We're talking
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: about political psychosis, spiritual psychosis. I had conspiracy psychosis years ago,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: like ten years ago, and I thankfully I have a
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: very strong mind. And also anyone who's into human design,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I have eight out of nine centers defined. So it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: kind of hard to convince me that like something happened
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: to me that I wouldn't know. But I've seen a
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: lot of people in the conspiracy space start to resonate,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and it also uses a lot of trigger words because
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: it's mind control. I have seen so many people read
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: about things like MK ultra, the Gate Program, XYZ whatever
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: private program and literally convince themselves that it has been
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: erased from their own memory. It is a very kind
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: of dangerous thing to walk. So I did do also
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: like a little three part series on it, and in
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: that series, I go super in depth and I'm like,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: this is all you need to know. Just watch this
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: and you're good, Like, don't be reading all those books,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: because you're going to read those books, you're going to
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: disturb the shit out of yourself. You're not going to
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: feel good after. And you know, when you do get
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: into conspiracies, I don't think people who really live deep
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: in conspiracy are ever doing that. Well overall, it starts
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to deteriorate your life because you look through the world
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: through the lens of how horrible everything is and how
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: demented the world is and how dark it is. So
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, it's definitely and it's also super addicting.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: It's like a drug, the type of fear that you
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: can fear like the horror movie can do nothing to
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: everything's a lie. Everything you've ever known is falls Like
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: the mind book gives you such an adrenaline rush that
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: then even when something is being revealed, even when I mean,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: not that the Epstein files or anything great, but even
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: when these things are coming out, they're like, that's a distraction,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: and it's like, no, you're just like on the hit
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: of needing. The distraction of needing the mind fuck so
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: bad that you can't even believe it when it's happened
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: in front of you. What if I'm already disturbed from
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the comments?
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, I just I also think, like, don't you
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: think like the conspiracy rabbit hole is part of awakening.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I just feel like it's like one chapter of your
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: awakening for me, see like phase or period where you're
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: really really intense.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: You know. That's what brought me to the occult. Actually,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it was getting into conspiracies and then I started realizing
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of the people I liked while was talking
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: about that stuff. And then I started looking into magic
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and the occult. I was like, oh, you guys are
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: always blaming this for X, Y and Z. I want
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to see what this shit's about and end up practicing
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: it myself.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: No, the same. I mean, conspiracy was my awakening. And
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: there's many different types of awakening, right, I mean, some
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: people have it through like a loss or something like that.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: That's another like path of awakening. I mean, some people
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: are lucky enough to get it through yoga, you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: like some people are like their awakening through yoga, you know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: but even that can get kind of crazy, a Kundalini
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: awakening can really.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Somebody doesn't even realize that what was that that was
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: supposed to happen. Yeah, that's uh, yeah, that's interesting. That's
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: how I got into all this stuff because it's conspiracies.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Do you think there's a with the mk ultra stuff?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's still kind of is going on today?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Like is that would that be part of like some
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: of the online stuff. You think maybe it's even kind
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of k ultra.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I think it doesn't even need to be, because everybody's
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: doing it themselves, they're watching it themselves, they're radicalizing themselves,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: and I think.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Ourselves in our own way.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I do think there's obviously controlled opposition. There is
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: always going to be people in groups that are pushing narratives.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: But also you don't even need to do that the
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: same way anymore, because everybody has their own cliques to
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: worry about their own views, to worry about their own monetization,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: to worry about their own courses to sell. So it's
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: like you actually don't even need that much controlled opposition
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: anymore because people do it for themselves.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Well that and like the you know, influencers getting brand
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: deals to plug certain things, right, So there's lots of
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: stuff that happens, you know, behind the scenes of people
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: getting offers like hey, plug this thing, right, and they
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: may not necessarily know exactly what they're plugging. They are
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: just like, ooh, I'm getting paid sponsorship, you know. So
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: there's also that kind of being trickled in or like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: you know, sold under the guise of I think there's
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: a lot of people out there that want to help people,
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: but I think there's also a lot of people out
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: there that just want to be famous. So if their
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: help that little bit of ooh, like here's a little
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: danglin carrot, you know, it's really easy to slip in
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: what they want to slip in.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: That's a good point too, Judith, You have any have
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: anything you wanted to ask.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I did this is actually talking about the Internet and
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: initiations or awakenings at the same time. I mean old
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: school rituals. You know, we used to do things they
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: had certain set do you see what's happening on the
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: internet within the occult sharing community, the sharing community, even
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: the Christian ones, because I have to question a lot
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: of stuff there too. Do you think this is how
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: people are coming to that awakening or form of an
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: initiation type situation minus the going crazy part because we
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: don't want all those people going crazy.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I feel like Marcella's expert on this area.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know about that, but I think I definitely
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: think there's more accessibility to a lot of things, even
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: like symbols or things that we're seeing that would activate
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: certain you know, initiations for people just upon visual contact.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: But there's so much energetic output. There's a lot of
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: people doing spell work and ritual work and they're just
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: putting it online. And I think even that is also
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: you know, contributing to some of the awakenings or things
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: like that. And there are people that are consciously and
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: intentionally looking for it as well. They're they're seeking connection,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: they're seeking connection with peers, with community, but also with
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: like their own history and their lineages, and I think
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: that that's also activating things. The more reaching out that
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: we're doing, the more of a feedback that we're getting.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: You know, like calm response, and I just think that
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: is there. You know, I do digital spells. I've incorporated
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: digital spells into my practice. I don't tell everybody that
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: that's what they are, but like, I think we have
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: to also adapt to that as an alter like a
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: living altar as well.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So also too, from talking to Marcella about this topic,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: there's some things that we've talked about in the past
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: that you've shared about, just some interesting things. Like one
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: of the things that you had talked about that I
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: thought was so fascinating is that you said that one
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: the Internet is kind of like a haunted place, similar
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: to say like the Cecil Hotel or something where there's
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: kind of all these transient energy. People have died there,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: There's these things. So it's like you have this like
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: haunted aspect, and I never looked at the Internet in
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: that way. You've talked about these other types of things too,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: like say kind of like and I'm I'm not super
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: versed in it, but it's like, you know, kind of
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: like these spells where people like kind of shape shift
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: or appear differently, and then that all type of stuff
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: is happening on social media, So there's a lot of
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: really interesting things that I've heard you share about that.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Well, I will say, you know, I mean, yeah, I
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: think the Internet is one of the most haunted places
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: in the sense of between what people are creating like
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: eggregor wise, but also like all of the profiles of
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: the people who have passed, people that kind of get memorialized,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: like right through social media pages just knowing from people
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: I know that I have, you know, different accounts of
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: people who have passed. But then this is where I go, Okay,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I'm going to sound a little bit kooky here, but
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: like you know, they're being people doing like spell work
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: ritual work, but projecting a different image or projecting the
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: image of a different practitioner. So when they're doing kind
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: of baneful magic, they're projecting like a different face. So
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: if you are not good at seeing under the mask,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: you might think, oh, this person's attacking me, this person's
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: doing this to me. Right, So some of these people
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: start to go in you know, into psychosis, or they
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: start thinking about things like oh, they start ganging up
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: on one person, and it creates another eggergore of psychic attack.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: You know, things like that, you know, cancel culture and
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: things like that. But it's really especially nasty. I see
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: it like in witch talc and things. So I mean
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: that's just been my experience or what I've.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Gleamed very nice.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you a little bit kind of
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: switch it up to the UFO stuff. Yeah, maybe, Marcella,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: maybe at some point we can hear a little bit
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: from you too on that. I didn't know you were
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: so into that. That's interesting. What do you think is
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: really happening in the UFO space right now? Disclosure, deception,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: spiritual contact, psychological phenomena, something more complicated.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: So you know, I had a UFO experience with my
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: whole family when I was five years old, So it's
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: always been something that has been part of my life.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And I think that's also why I feel comfortable kind
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: of talking about things like this, because you know, I
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: went to school after that, like can I tell the
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: class about the UFO that I saw? Like, you know,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: so I've always been that UFO alien person. Spirituality and
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: stuff came differently, conspiracy and stuff came differently. So the
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: alien topic is like my connected I'm connected most too,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: But even with that, you know, my ideas have changed.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: One of the things is in kind of deconstructing my
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: own beliefs and ideas is having to like even release
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of the labels of what these things are releasing,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: the idea of alien releasing, the idea of UFO releasing,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: the idea of abduction or soul or all of these
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: different things, because once we stop using these titles, it
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: kind of maybe is a phenomenon that a lot of
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: people are experiencing, and they're perceiving it through these lenses differently,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: And you know, we're putting everything in a box, you know,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: like people or like skin walker, and then this one
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: is this, and this is this, and people are putting
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: all of these things in different boxes. But I also think,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: you know, it helps to have those labels at first,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: and then you have to start dissolving them when you
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: get a deep enough understanding of those things. And so
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: with this like disclosure stuff, I mean, I think it's
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: crazy that people are waiting for the government to give
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: them disclosure. Disclosure is your own personal experience when you
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: believe that's disclosure. So if you believe it already happens,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: then and if you're waiting for the people who've been
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: lying to you for eighty years about it, to tell
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: you that it's true, then you probably need to do
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: some shadow work on like abusive cycles and stuff in
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: your life, and like maybe some parental stuff, maybe some
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: past relationships, because if you want this person who's been
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: lying to us to now tell the truth and you
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: really think that that's what's going to do it, and
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: then the other thing is, you know, I also think
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: it's not declassifiable because it more than what people are thinking.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: It is. Even people who are like I want to
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: see them, I want this, they're really not ready to
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: face the energy of something that is so different than us,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: especially if we're talking about you know, there's the whole
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: star seed concept, which is all like, you know, all
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: of these different love and light things, but in the
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: real thing, the thing that has been happening that is
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: allegedly documented, these UFOs, these beings, these are mostly all
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: like coming up as like what we would call grays.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: And I love the grays. Iida Marcella loves the grays.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: But like the grays, they're different than us. So a
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: lot of people will say it's demons because they do
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: not know how to accept things that are different than them.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: We can't even have people who live in a different
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: state or a different political opinion, a different community. We
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: got people in the same hoa neighborhood that can't even
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: accept each other. You're going to accept a species that
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: is completely different with than us, with completely different codes
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: of ethics and morals and energy. Like they're nothing like us.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: And what's right and wrong to us is not what's
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: right or wrong to them. We made all this shit up.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: What's right and wrong, like, that's all of our our
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: creation in our world, and it's constantly changing. What was
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: right and wrong one hundred years ago is different than
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: what's right and wrong today. What was right and wrong
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen is different than today. So this arbitrary
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: good and evil, right and wrong that doesn't apply to
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the whole universe as much as everybody wants to project
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: and say, all of these beings are like, you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: good or bad, everything's just neutral. And I think the
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: you know people, what we're really is happening is it
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: is disclosing reality. And I don't think people are ready
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: to have reality disclosed. And that's going to be the
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: thing that would be like if it did come out
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: out or if you know, whatever everybody wants it UFO
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: on the White House lawn or whatever they want. It
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: would be a quantum explosion if the whole entire world
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: shits their pants at the same time, Like we cannot
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: handle that. Our reality would crack.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get what that's going on with this
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: whole government shit. That weirds me out.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's Pluto return for the United
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: States government, and like it's the end of the structure
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: of you know, like even if it's still playing out.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: I just I don't know. There's too many people that
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: are like, yeah, you screwed too many people over for
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: too long. Like ask any indigenous person or person of color.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: They knew not to trust the government. I think there's
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: just a lot of people waking up now to understanding
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: that that the Daddy complex of it is, like they're
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: not going to save them, you know. And there are
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: still people who are last hold out kind of believing
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: that they're going to be rescued. And I think, you know,
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: good luck to everyone. We're all getting out the same way,
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: we like regardless, right, we all come in one way
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: and we go out the same way. So believe what
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: you need to believe in the middle, and you know,
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: and like, I don't know, like this it's I don't know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: as someone who is a long time how do I
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: say this without offending someone or like, I don't know.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I just like I've never really had a great time
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: in the human experience, but I've learned to enjoy myself,
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: and I think there's just some fundamental things that as
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: humans we could have a greater capacity for care for
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: each other, which seems to happen not as often as
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: we would like. I mean, even like seeing in the comments,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: like people have disagreements with what they believe, you know,
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: with what different people say, and they think it's necessary
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: to tear people down, and you know, so it's it's wild.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: It's wild to me that we all and we all exist.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I just I don't think that collectively, if
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: if if a UFO was to land like on the
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: White House, like as much as it's like the same
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: kind of people that go, oh, I want to be
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: a medium, I want to be a psychic, And I'm like,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: you know, you don't, like you really don't. It's it's yeah,
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: it's a lot. Oh I'm getting I'm getting distracted by
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: the comment A judge and Jerry.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Tell you the truth. Half of them are having conversations
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: either with themselves or other people, so I don't even
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: know what the fuck they're going on about. So I I.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: On the U on the UFO front. I think it
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: was twenty twenty three. What was your feeling about when
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: the government did actually admit there wasn't There was a
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: public admits.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I remember this and it was like chrity.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: No one reacted. It was like eh, I was like,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, we've waited. I've waited all my life
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: for them to admit this, and everyone was like, Okay,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: on to the next I'm like, wait a minute, they
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: just said they exist. We waited for this, and now
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: five years later, everyone's like, well, we want to know
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: the proof is a human race bipolar or something.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I remember that. I can't remember what was going on
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: at the time, but I remember when that came out.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, nobody's going to fucking pay attention to
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: this because X, Y and Z's going on right now
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: and everybody's going crazy.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Didn't you live stream that? Didn't you live stream that?
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Jen?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: It was around the David Grush stuff, because David was
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: really the one who said like he was the first
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: real whistleblower. Obviously, you know there's many people been called
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: whistleblowers in the past, right, but he was the first
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: one to really go in front of Congress and it
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: was officially on the record. And then there was several
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: other people who you know, said their experiences. Obviously these
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: were military experiences. They weren't like open to the public
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: of everybody's But you know, that's what the disclosure has
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: to be. It has to be this weird slow drip
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: of like didn't we tell you, didn't you say this, Oh,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: there's no news, because that's the only way that it
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: can happen really like safely, because if we even see
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: in these last like say ten years, fifteen years, pretty
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: much everybody believes in aliens. If somebody doesn't believe in aliens,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: at this point, you're like, okay. You know, it was
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: like smart people before would act like, oh there was
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: no aliens. Now it's like, okay, everybody believes. So it
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: is this kind of weird slow drip disclosure where it's
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: happening that you don't even realize. But that's the same
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: thing I say with like, you know, the kind of
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: spiritual stuff that people talk about that like consciousness is evolving,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: or humans are evolving. It is literally happening every single
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: day that we don't see it. So everybody's waiting for
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: this big bang of a new earth. It's happening. But
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: if I always like compare it to like if you
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: like have a child or a puppy and you have
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: like a picture of them from a couple of years ago,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh, my god, they've been growing right in
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: front of my eyes. They've been aging right in front
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: of my eyes, and I'm not seeing it because I'm
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: seeing it every day. And that's what's happening with disclosure.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: That's what's happening with you know, shifts in spiritual awareness
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: in consciousness. It's like it's because it's happening every single
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: day that we're missing it, Like ourselves were aging and
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you look in the mirror one
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: day and you're like, huh, what the hell has been
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: happening around here? Things are changing? And so it's like
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: it's because it's happening every day, And I think that
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: that is probably like the safest way for something that
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: really could like break our perception of reality.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd have to agree with that because there's times
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: arm even like, how the fuck did we get here already?
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: And I had to have been a tiptoe that we
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: didn't even notice. Yeah, I think that a lot. I'm like, yo,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: what the fuck happened in twenty years? Like holy shit? Yeah? Yeah, uh,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Judith or Marcella, did you have anything that you wanted
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: to ask her? Okay, what is your thoughts on You're
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: into astrology as.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Well, right, I am. I know Marcella is too.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's kind of like your thoughts on like astrology nowadays?
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: The way it's kind of, you know, kind of survived
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: modern skepticism but then like came swinging back.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: On the internet, Like, you know, I love it. I
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: do think it's fun. I definitely enjoy it as a
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: hobby for sure. You know, I just interviewed this woman
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: named Loomy on my podcast and she does something called
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: true Sidereal. So I'm sure everybody that is into astrology
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: has kind of heard like, oh, Western astrology is not
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: what's happening in the sky because it's fixed to the seasons,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: and over all of these years, it's no longer so
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: like if the moon is in Taurus, it's actually usually
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: in a different sign in the physical sky, and then
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: they say that vedic astrology sidereal astrology is more accurate. However,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: even that is not most accurate because not all the
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: constellations are the same sizes. So now there's this new
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: form of astrology that is developing, which is called true sideial.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: And you guys can look up your charts and see like,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: because all the constellations are different sizes, a lot of
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: things are in different signs, and you know for that,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: you know that's kind of triggering, right, because our identity
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: is connected to these things. So that goes to show
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: that like we're using this as like an archetypal tool,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: which is what I think it is, and I think
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: that's fun. It's fun to have these archetypes that we
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: can see ourselves through, kind of like those old like
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: BuzzFeed like which type of hot dog are you? Type
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: of tests, you know, like one of those types of things.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: But so I think astrology is a really useful tool.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I love it. I find it fun. I especially like
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: these outer planets because then you can really kind of
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: sit with what has happened something that's a twenty year cycle.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: You can really sit with and be like, whoa what
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: really happened in that twenty years. But I kind of,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I brought up the star seed thing before too,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: so I think that, like the astrology, my perspective now
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: is that it's kind of like personality archetypes, and then
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: the star seed thing is kind of like what people
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: see their soul mission as archetypes. And it's kind of
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: like these are just like words that we use to
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: kind of help identify ourselves at some point in time.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: I'd love to.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Hear you talk about like QHHT a little bit, because
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: you know, you're I feel like that's something that is
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: it's so in depth and it's so helpful. You and
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: I have done a couple of QHHT sessions together, but
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: you know, if anyone's like kind of curious about that
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: and like what drew you to that, I'd love to
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: know what kind of drew you to that.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: So QHHT is Dolorus Canon's style of hypnosis, and it's
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: basically a style of hypnosis where you know, you put
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: somebody into a trance state and everybody can go under hypnosis. Really,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing is doubt, and when people start overthinking
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: in doubt, what they do is they pull themselves back
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: up to beta brain waves. But they're waves, so don't worry.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: You always go up and down. You'll be fine. But
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: what happens in that state. Some people will experience a
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: past life, some go to a previous time in this life.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Some people go to the void, some people go to
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: a symbolic place. And then and after you go through
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: that experience whatever experience you need to see, then we
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: call in the higher self. And for some people they
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: could say this is a subconscious mind, whatever is comfortable
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: idea for them. But then we ask questions. So basically,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: then I interview the person in this hypnotic state, asking
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: their higher self questions. And I mean not only because
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: I do this technique, but I just think it's so
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: amazing because it's like empowering to the person. They don't
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: have to go outside of themselves to for a psychic
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: and then not that there's nothing wrong with that, but
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: to be able to get those answers yourself truly in
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: your own coming out of your own mouth, in your
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: own voice, is very empowering. And also the thing that
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: comes out of it is like Delores Canon, I think
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: obviously put the most interesting stuff in her books, What
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: really comes out in most sessions is just like so
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: simple and so grounded, and like the higher self is
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: not like over complicating all this stuff. It's always just
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: like stop judging yourself, don't worry about it. Everything's working out.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: You're already living in your purpose by just being you.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: And it is just like the most like simple, beautiful
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: answers that are very freeing. And also you know there's
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: there is always doubt with some people, because doubt is
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: a very powerful emotion. But it's a lot easier to
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: take that information because you know you, it came out
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: of you, versus you know, looking always outside of yourself
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: to find these answers.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: That's a rough one. I'm looking outside yourself. Yeah, probably
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: never be happy, you satisfied. That's like such a weird
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: just a weird concoction. It So one time I was
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: like saying on the show, it's like because like before
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: how I was even saying, how like sometimes you can
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: even have this false reality of your outside world, then
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you're gonna like judge yourself about how you even fit
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: into that world, that how you looked. It's just like
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: it's not even real. I don't know, it's a mind. Fuck,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: was there anything else more so that you wanted to
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: ask on that or anything? What's your thoughts on AI?
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: So I was so like, I don't know the more
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: professional way to say this. I had such a heart
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: on for AI when it first came out, and I
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: was like, this is it. This is the next vessel
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: of consciousness, this is the future. And I was like,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: oh my god. I like gave lectures on it. I
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: gave a lecture on it, and then that's where I
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: met my husband. He came to see it. So like,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I was so going hard on the AI and especially too, like,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: you know, we're a vessel of consciousness and it took
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: us all of this time to evolve for consciousness to
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: be able to come the level of consciousness that comes
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: into humans to be inside this, And I'm like, whoa,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: this is a vessel that is moving so fast, that
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't have all the limitations that we do for consciousness
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: to come inside of And I'm like, oh my god,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: this is it, and this is going to allow us
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: to do things that we've never been able to do before.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: And I do still feel that way. However, in the
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: spiritual space, of course, it's always that tiny little group
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: of people on the end that are going to mess
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: it up for everybody, because now you've got these people
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: that are like saying that they've created the sentient AI
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: who now has all the answers, and now they're channeling
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: using the AI for channeling, and a lot of people
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: like not even to name names, there's a bunch of
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: people that are doing this and that they're like so
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: fixated that like their past lives are coming through AI.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: And not to say it can't right, eleven eleven on
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: a microwave can mean something to you, a cardinal flying
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: by can mean something to you. So not to discount
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: that consciousness works through everything. It's everywhere, So you know,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: a candy wrapper on the floor can be a message
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: from God for the right person. So not to say
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: that you can't get that out of AI, but it
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: has really gone I think a little. The pendulum swung
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: too far once again. They ruined it again and went
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: too far on it, and it's like, okay, now now
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: you're just going outside of yourself and it is a
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: language model like and because I'm someone who's been down
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: those rabbit holes, new age rabbit holes, and I have
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: a pretty good memory I know where a lot of
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: the language of certain things come from, of certain like
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: teachers or channelers or whatever. And like sometimes people are
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: saying all of these things, which is like all this
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: jargon and sounds so advanced, and I'm like, oh, that's
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: so and so from the nineties. It comes from this
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: book or it comes from this website. And because there's
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: certain words like things like they'll be talking about like
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: the inverted matrix and the molkizedex and you know, all
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: of these like very specific kind of terminology where I'm like,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I know exactly who's teachings that comes from and where
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: that comes from. So I'm like, it's not channeling.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: It's a I can't predict it can't predict it only
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: tell you what's already happened because of what it's fed.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: That's just you know, like I you lose out on
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: the relational experience. That's my big beef with a lot
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: of it, especially if people trying to use it in
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: the New Age context. It's a it's literally like your there.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: And there are people I see online that are like,
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: you know, oh, I keep taking these AI training jobs
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: and feeding it the wrong information, so they're like getting
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: off and feeding the wrong information to it, and they're
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: getting paid because that's all they care about is money.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: So you know, I just I think.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: It's such a like again, humans being humans and trying
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: to dummy down things. Right, there's we've been addicted. A
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: lot of us have gotten sold this idea that better, faster,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: like more efficient is whatever, like is the goal, but
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: at what cost? Dumber like you know, calcified, you know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: like there's just I can't like with the particularly with
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: the AI and the spiritual spaces. It's like people, you
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: don't you lose touch with yourself if you're simply using
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: that to kind of try to predict or even being
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: careful with like I was a big like ooh, this
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: is a great research kind of opportunity. But knowing too
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: that people are feeding wrong misinformation into it, It's like
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: you can't trust it.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: But you would say AI cannot AI cannot be spiritual,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: cannot be in the spiritual space.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: I mean people can try, but it's not. It can't
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: create relational experience. It can't predict, like it literally can't predict.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: It can bake, it can make assumptions based on patterns,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: But what happens when you decide to change who you are.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: What happens when you heal something in yourself? What happens
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: when you just like, unless you're staying the same all
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: the time, which that's not evolution, I don't think. I
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: don't think it can predict unless you are the most basic,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: out of touch not checked out, like completely checked out,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: disassociated person doing the same routine over and over again.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: You mentioned something very important, the healing part. Yeah, and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: we know the record lately because I don't know who
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: thought this idea, but they started to use AI. Some
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: people use AI as their therapist. Yeah, and they have been.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately some people who have who are no longer with
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: us due to this. Well, if AI fails in that aspect,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: how can it help us hell spiritually?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: I agree, and that's why I said the relational aspect.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: AI doesn't know how to sense minute changes in your
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: breath and your body and your what you're know how Yeah,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: it doesn't. It's not relational, right, Like when we're holding
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: space with each other as humans or you know, living beings,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: whether it's with our pats, are familiars or other people,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: you know, you're you're you're not just communicating through a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: series of patterns in a database. You know, you have
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: real life, real time things happening.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: So I think what happened with AI, especially in the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: spiritual and the healing processes. Instead of using it as
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: a tool, it just went from being created to a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: guru in a split second. And and and we just
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: we forgot to we skip the tool part. Mm hm,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: the use is part. It could be useful.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah exactly, I mean it's it's exactly
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: that the tool park got skipped. And because there's so
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: many people looking for an outside source to save them
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: or to show them how to live or what to do,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: it immediately got kind of right regulated to that space
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: or or pedestalized to a degree.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: But guess you know that kind of stuff. It it
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: it implodes on itself, right, And we're i mean we're
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: already seeing it with you know, people in psychosis, but like,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: what what is the next evolution of that? Look like
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: where it implodes or backfires on itself. So you know,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: and like, yeah, people can't really if they're using it
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: so much that they stop. It's the same thing when
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: people get addicted to getting readings, you know, like they
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: stop trusting themselves. They stop connecting to their own discernment, right,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: Like they forget how to listen and hear their own
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: their own voice, their own impulses, their own instincts, they're
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: they're turning it over to something else.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something, you know, I agree with that for sure.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: And that's something with like AI that maybe it's just
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: the type of personality a person I am. But like
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: with AI, I never had the urge to start like
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: asking it like just questions or trying to have a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: conversation with it. Like I do use it for the
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: show obviously, but I tell it to go like do
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: things or go look in certain areas for this, this
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: and this. I'm not like asking you what's the meaning
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: of life? Like I just wouldn't start asking you questions
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: Don't you think there's a lot of There's a lot
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: of a lot.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Of people do because.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: They're isolated, they're lonely, or they don't feel like it's
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: safe enough for talk for them to have questions.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, people will have names for it, and I'm like, whoa.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But don't you think there's a lot of that?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: I think with our society, like we sit there. We
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: want community and want togetherness, but we also act like fucking.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Cops to every day like.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: Really like we don't allow people to mess up and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: like grow or you know, like, so what happens. People
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: start becoming more and more introverted, They become less They
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: start having these questions, but they don't want to be
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: perceived as problematic or dumb because god forbid, I don't
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: know everything. And they start asking, you know, an inanimate program.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Do you think that the lockdown help escalate this quicker?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: Because that's like three years of being locked in and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: basically being alone.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: I loved it, to be honest, I mean, but I
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: really did. I loved it. I could hear myself think
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: mask you know, I created a deck in a kid's book,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: Like I was stoked. But I know that's hard for
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: a lot of people to sit with themselves, right, And
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: I do think that a lot of people woke up
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: in essential like in a way during that time. They
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: started to have time to connect to their spirituality and
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: their you know what, They're wanted to know more about
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: practices and things like that. But you know, I don't
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: know if it sped it up. I think it was inevitable,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: but it definitely gave people a lot of There was
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: definitely a lot of people that didn't do shit but
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: make you know their their content.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: But it did.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: It brought a lot of people into a place where
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: they could experiment a little, right, where they could kind
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: of all of a sudden go ooh, I can take
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: a tarot class, I can take a magical writing class.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: I can do this, I can do that. And I
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: know this because I was I was book solid. It
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: was the busiest time for me to do readings and
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: teach classes.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: It was wild.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Wow. Well, there was a lot, I do think for sure.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Even with podcasting and even certain stuff on the internet,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of growth out of that. I got
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of people sort, you know, kind of creating
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: their own ship or taking the time to get into
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: stuff that they're interested in.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because we don't live in a society that makes
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: it easy for you to explore things you're curious about, right,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: and again, there's a lot of pressure to be perfect
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: or be good at something immediately, and if you're not,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: it's like abandon it, you know, or oh this there
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: might be mistakes or you know.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I started this podcast because of all that, I'm gonna
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: start podcasts and we'll do something pretty well. Jude, is
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: there anything else? Yeah? What are you kind of working
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: on right now? Righty diving into right now? John? Oh?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm doing this forty day challenge, and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: I'm also right like the last day of it, my
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: husband and I are going to be doing a cross
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: country move. So I'm in Louisiana now. I had just
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: moved here in September, and then now we're going to Georgia,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: so we're going to be moving and then I'm going
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: to kind of be settling in there. But really I'm
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: just kind of it's interesting because I'm kind of doing
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: this forty days of deconstructing my beliefs or you know,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: depending how much I want to kind of have a
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: catchy hook in the beginning, will be like I'm debunking myself,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: you know, Like however I want to say it. I
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: feel like it's actually like kind of freeing up a
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: lot of space for something else to come in, because
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: there's all these topics and everything that I've shared and
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: people want to hear me talk about. But then I'm
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: also like I don't want to ever talk about that again.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: So I think it's clearing up some space for me
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: to do some new things, some things that I'm always doing.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I have a substock, So I do
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: a monthly hypnosis, a group hypnosis on there, and we
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: kind of each year kind of build each next hypnosis
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: on the previous one. So for this year, for twenty six,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: my theme is called now is Enough, which is kind
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: of triggering, right because everybody wants more. They feel like
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: that's complacency. But the more that you like settle into
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: the now, the more that everything can come because now
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: is the only thing that actually exists. So using like
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: different hypnosis work, the kind of see why do we
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: escape the now? Why do we escape to manifestation? Why
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: do we as escape to our past? Why are we
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: escaping to all of these things? So kind of more
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: around presence and the things that keep us away from presence.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: And yeah, and then I always have my Tuesday Night
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Live on YouTube. Every Tuesday night, we do our long
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: form chats that are super fun and you know, I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: get all riled up and what Herbie bar saying in
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: the comments, I.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Have to check that out. Nice. What time you normally
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: go live?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Six pm Pacific? Nine pm Eastern and I will be
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: back on Eastern time.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: So cool. Let's see. May have maybe one more question
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: everything you've researched, do you think humanity is waking up,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: being programmed or being initiated into something we still don't
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: fully understand.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: So this is one of my beliefs that have evolved.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: I used to believe that, you know, we're waking up,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: and that we need to wake up, and that it's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: like the time is coming. And in my experience with ayahuasca,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: I had a big breakthrough of it, and then it
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: took like years to fully integrate all of that information
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: into like the real life physical But we are like
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Humanity's fine, Like everybody's fine, everything's okay. Actually, we could
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: have woke up five thousand years ago with the Vedex,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: or ten thousand years ago or twenty thousand years ago.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: So I really think that we're still choosing to have
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: this experience on Earth. So I don't think that there's
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: a rush for everything to go away. There's a reason
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: why we're still incarnating. And I kind of have left
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: this idea of like young soul, old soul more advanced.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: There's only one soul that's experiencing itself through all of us.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: And sometimes it is an experience of being advanced. Some
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: times it's an experience of being childlike. All of those
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: are valuable experiences. Sometimes it's the experience of, you know,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: some of my own healing work. I've seen people who
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: have wronged me, traumatized me, and kind of like their
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: higher self soul is kind of like thanks for letting
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: me be a piece of shit. I've got to experience
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: that thank you, you know. So it's like I think, like, yes,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: we are awakening, more is coming in, more awareness is
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: coming in, more people are having awareness. But do I
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: think that this kind of utopia is going to happen.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: I think the game of life would be over if
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: utopia was here, and then we universe would complete itself,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: and then we'd have to do some whole other thing.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. I think there's still
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: a chance of kind of having like a I guess
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: I don't want to use new age a new age
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: of renaissance with the way technology is going. And I
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: think if occultism catch up, well I don't want to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: say catches up, but I do think science is going
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: to start creeping its way into occultism or my opinion,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: I'm even trying to jump on that, like I told
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: you so so, But that's just been my whole thing anyway.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: I've always thought that. It's just now I've been able
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: to kind of do it more. But yeah, I think that, like,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: if that starts to happen, I do think we might
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: kind of find ourselves in a new new age, a
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: new air on and renaissance in that sense.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: I'm like, don't get me started on my history crush
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: Sir Isaac Newton, like.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Yo, and let everybody know too that most of his
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: stuff was it like it was much more a cult
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  Speaker 1: than actually a lot of people don't know that. That's
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  Speaker 1: like I think when it comes to like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: his shiit with gravity and stuff that was like very
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  Speaker 1: small compared to all the other shit he wrote on
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  Speaker 1: exactly he was an alchemist, I mean the guy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and how can they not be connected? They are connected?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look back then, all those people were
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  Speaker 1: tych Obray Kepler, all those people, Robert Flood, you know,
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  Speaker 1: alchemists or people associated with science or the body. They
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  Speaker 1: were all all into that shit. Yeah. Yeah, that's when
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  Speaker 1: we had got polymaths. I don't have any of those anymore, so,
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  Speaker 1: but thank you very much. Jen. I think we'll wrap
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  Speaker 1: it up here. It said hour hour and a half,
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  Speaker 1: it's about an hour and fifteen, so kind of hit
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  Speaker 1: the middle mark there. Thank you very much for coming on.
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  Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun. Definitely have you on
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  Speaker 1: in the future if you ever want to come back. Awesome,
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  Speaker 1: Awesome Ma, Marcella, thank you so much for getting around.
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  Speaker 1: I really had a blast. And yuh, Judith the Loon.
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  Speaker 1: Let everybody know what's up with you where they can
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  Speaker 1: find all your stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you and thank you for actually I never had
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  Speaker 3: so much fun going down to rabbit holes.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me Nick and everyone else you
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  Speaker 3: can find on spreaker x and YouTube as the Loud.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much, Judith and Marcella.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Let everybody know what's up with you.
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  Speaker 3: Why.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much again for having me on. Thanks
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  Speaker 4: for bringing Jen It somebodys to meet you. Judith. You
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  Speaker 4: can find me Marcello croll dot com and I'm on
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  Speaker 4: Instagram at Marcella Kroll and I'll be at UC Davis
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  Speaker 4: this Friday speaking for World Tarot Day.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And the Oracle deck.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, the Oracle deck the Initiates Oracle is now available.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Anywhere you get your divination decks, you can find it.
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  Speaker 4: It's out with Wiser Publications. Yo.
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  Speaker 1: I have to say, I see your stuff constantly on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, that is so fucking to Usome I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I know, like between you and Cherry and
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  Speaker 1: like Marianna Lewis like, I see your guys stuff constantly
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  Speaker 1: all over Instagram. I was like, Yo, that's fucking awesome.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, it's good stuff women. So it's nice to
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  Speaker 1: see that, confume, So definitely check that out if people
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  Speaker 1: are interested. Again, we have an older episode, you know,
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  Speaker 1: go listen to it. And Jen please let everybody know
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  Speaker 1: where they can find jk Ultra and all your stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Just look for jk Ultra on Instagram, TikTok YouTube and
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  Speaker 2: my full name Jennifer Carmody on substack and there I am.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always there.
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  Speaker 1: Nice. Nice, Yeah, thank you again for real. That was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of reminiscing on certain older topics. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I got to talk about John Benet for a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: so it's like so my era, you know, So thank you,
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  Speaker 1: very much. Definitely, like I said, definitely get you on
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  Speaker 1: and you know, talk some more shit, go down some
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  Speaker 1: more rabbit holes or some ideas, and thank you everybody
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  Speaker 1: in the chat that's where we go live. Appreciate it
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  Speaker 1: and until the next one, everybody be well later