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Jury Duty Isn't Social Justice · The Wes Carroll Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: The news, opinions, commentary, and interviews you need to start
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  Speaker 1: your day. You're listening to the Wes Carroll Morning Show.
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday morning, 15th day of September. I'm Wes. Thanks for
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  Speaker 2: All right, so let's get a little bit into a
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  Speaker 2: couple things. I talked, and I don't want to spend
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  Speaker 2: forever talking about the Lindsay Clancy trial. This isn't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: another post about that specific trial. I have said... to
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  Speaker 2: the point that I am exhausted, that I don't know
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  Speaker 2: all of the specifics in the trial. This is just
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  Speaker 2: one thing that stood out to me in a news story,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought that this was interesting and worth talking
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  Speaker 2: about this morning for a little bit. Okay, so if
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  Speaker 2: you're like me and you even, you know, you turn
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  Speaker 2: on the TV or you hear someone, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: story online about Lindsay Clancy and you just kind of go, ugh,
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  Speaker 2: This isn't so much about that. And if you're kind
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  Speaker 2: of avoiding it for the same reasons that I've told
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  Speaker 2: you that I've been avoiding it, I think it's horrible
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  Speaker 2: that three children died. And I don't need to know
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  Speaker 2: all the specific details about how they died over and
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  Speaker 2: over and over again. Don't need to hear that every day.
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  Speaker 2: And this isn't so much about that. It's more about
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  Speaker 2: where we are as a society and how we approach
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  Speaker 2: things now. And this particular story, I think, pulled a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that to light for me. And if you're
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  Speaker 2: one of those people that just feels like, why is
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  Speaker 2: everything something very agenda-driven? Why aren't we looking at things
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  Speaker 2: in life sometimes as black and white or right and
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  Speaker 2: wrong or just looking at things through the lens of
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  Speaker 2: the way things have been? Why does everything have to
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  Speaker 2: be some sort of agenda-driven thing? thing that's moving things
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  Speaker 2: in a certain direction. And if you say that and
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  Speaker 2: people kind of feel like everything's not like that, I
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  Speaker 2: might enter this into evidence. And of course, evidence clearly
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  Speaker 2: doesn't always mean everything. And just a court of public
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  Speaker 2: opinion doesn't mean everything in some courts. to the majority
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  Speaker 2: of people on juries in some cases, but in this
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  Speaker 2: particular case, I'm just giving you a little piece of
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  Speaker 2: information that one of the jurors, one of the 11
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  Speaker 2: jurors in the Lindsay Clancy trial who was interviewed, and
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  Speaker 2: Paula Devlin is this woman's name, and she was interviewed
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  Speaker 2: by CBS Saturday Morning this past weekend. And this is
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  Speaker 2: what she said about the trial. This is what she
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  Speaker 2: said about the opportunity that was there for this jury
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  Speaker 2: that was having this hearing, was part of this hearing
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  Speaker 2: for this woman who was charged with murdering her children.
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  Speaker 2: She says, even though we didn't know what was going
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  Speaker 2: on outside of our little bubble that we were in,
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  Speaker 2: We knew that this was a turning point, and this
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  Speaker 2: would be something that could change something to make it
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  Speaker 2: better for other women in the future, for other families.
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  Speaker 2: You know, justice for those children is this never happening again.
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  Speaker 2: So approaching this with the perspective of this was a
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  Speaker 2: way to make things better for other women.
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  Speaker 2: Is not the job of a jury. Justice, yes. And
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  Speaker 2: the statement, the only part of this is like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: justice for those children. Is this never happening again?
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: One way to make sure this never happens again is
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  Speaker 2: if the person who is charged with doing it spends
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  Speaker 2: their life in some sort of incarceration so that if
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  Speaker 2: you've determined that they're guilty, if you have confessions entered
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  Speaker 2: into the record from the person, then yes, you want
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  Speaker 2: to make sure that they're not in a position where
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  Speaker 2: they go back into society and have an opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: do it again. If this is about guilt or innocence,
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  Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with we could change something
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  Speaker 2: and make it better for other women in the future.
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  Speaker 2: That's not the goal of the juror. This is not
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  Speaker 2: an activism responsibility. Our responsibility as jurors is to look
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  Speaker 2: at facts, make a determination based on those facts, and
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  Speaker 2: then work together as a unit to come up with
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  Speaker 2: an actual verdict in the case, and then get on
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  Speaker 2: with your life. This isn't about trying to make things
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  Speaker 2: better for one group of people. This isn't about saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: our goal here is to make things better for women.
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  Speaker 2: Our goal here is to make sure that we make
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  Speaker 2: things better for the Hispanic population. Our goal here is
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  Speaker 2: to make things better for people with disabilities when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to deciding the guilt or innocence of a person
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  Speaker 2: charged with murder. That's not the goal of sitting on
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  Speaker 2: a jury in a murder trial. Are there situations where
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  Speaker 2: the goal is to make things better for all of
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  Speaker 2: those people? Certainly. Just not in a murder trial. Your
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  Speaker 2: job in a murder trial isn't to bring a bias
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  Speaker 2: or some sort of social justice component to it. Your
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  Speaker 2: goal is to sit in a room, in a courtroom,
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  Speaker 2: listen to facts of the case, And then have a
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  Speaker 2: decision as a jury, a verdict on what took place
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  Speaker 2: and whether or not this person should be punished for
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  Speaker 2: what they're accused of doing and whether or not they
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  Speaker 2: should be released back into society. That's it. And then
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  Speaker 2: you go home. And it's not about doing celebrity interviews
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  Speaker 2: with every outlet and every news outlet. And it's not
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  Speaker 2: about being part of a group of people that are
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  Speaker 2: demonizing the one juror who would not agree with you
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  Speaker 2: and trying to decide and give public opinion on why
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  Speaker 2: they wouldn't agree with you and make sure that everybody
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  Speaker 2: knows who they are and where their family lives and
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  Speaker 2: all of these things. We have to stop. We have
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  Speaker 2: to stop with everything being a social justice case. We
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  Speaker 2: have to stop pretending and convincing ourselves that we're in
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  Speaker 2: a constant state of revolution. This juror is not part
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  Speaker 2: of the revolution. This juror just failed to do their
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  Speaker 2: job as a juror. If this is the perspective, then
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  Speaker 2: this is a fail. And if she's speaking on behalf
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  Speaker 2: of 11 jurors, her and 10 other people, then they
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  Speaker 2: failed as a jury. If this was the goal, to say, we,
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  Speaker 2: she's lumping them all together, even though we didn't know
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  Speaker 2: what was going on outside of our little bubble that
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  Speaker 2: we were in, we knew this was a turning point,
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  Speaker 2: and this would be something that could change something and
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  Speaker 2: make it better for other women in the future, for
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  Speaker 2: other families. She's speaking for them. This is where she's
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  Speaker 2: coming from, and this was the motivation behind how she
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  Speaker 2: was making a decision. Now, of course, some experts have said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is not your job. This is problematic. And now
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  Speaker 2: that they have really done a service to the idea
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  Speaker 2: of trying to get another group of jurors together to
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  Speaker 2: hear this, and lobbed out this giant cloud of threat
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  Speaker 2: to anybody who doesn't see things their way, it's even
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  Speaker 2: more problematic. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has rolled out the
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  Speaker 2: red carpet for the standout juror who would not go
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  Speaker 2: along with them because he saw facts in the case
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  Speaker 2: that were facts in the case and not social justice components.
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  Speaker 2: And he says, hey, we would love to bring you
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  Speaker 2: into Florida. We will bring you in and you can
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  Speaker 2: come to Florida and we will take care of you.
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  Speaker 2: You are welcome to come here and we will not
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  Speaker 2: treat you the way you've been treated elsewhere. That's not
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  Speaker 2: what's going to happen to you if you want to
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  Speaker 2: come to Florida. I know I could spend more time
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  Speaker 2: talking about this next topic, but I just had to
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  Speaker 2: talk about it because I didn't get into it yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: I was a little wound up about the other stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but It's always comical to me whenever we see folks
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  Speaker 2: on the left trying to pretend to do or be
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  Speaker 2: something that they're definitely not as it pertains to elections
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  Speaker 2: and as it pertains to their desire to get votes.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm talking, of course, about when they show up
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  Speaker 2: to events that they clearly have either never been to
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  Speaker 2: before or or ridiculously uncomfortable attending, or have actually been
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  Speaker 2: critical of the event itself in the past. And in
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  Speaker 2: this particular case, over this past weekend, it was candidates
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  Speaker 2: that are running that decided it was a good idea
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  Speaker 2: to show up at sporting events. And I'm just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you talk about James Tallarico saying, being one who showed
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  Speaker 2: up at the Texas football game and somehow decided that
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  Speaker 2: him being there broke some sort of a curse that
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  Speaker 2: had something to do with Ted Cruz. I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know what he's talking about. I don't know that it
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  Speaker 2: makes any sense at all, but he shows up for
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  Speaker 2: this game. He and the Democrat Senate nominee Abdul El-Sayed
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  Speaker 2: showed up also at games this weekend. And someone, we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about people who have referred to sports or football
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  Speaker 2: as part of toxic masculinity. And, you know, these are things,
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  Speaker 2: of course, that are really bad, except when you're desperate for,
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  Speaker 2: you know, votes and what's shaping up to be a
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  Speaker 2: close race and you need every vote that you can get.
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  Speaker 2: It's the equivalent of people that will show up in
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  Speaker 2: my hometown in Columbus when someone decides that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to run for mayor. There's a list of events they're
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  Speaker 2: expected to show up for. They have to show up
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  Speaker 2: on certain holidays. You have to show up to MLK
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  Speaker 2: breakfasts and lunches. You have to have done it for
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  Speaker 2: a certain amount of time. You have to check these
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  Speaker 2: boxes of this isn't something brand new. I've been told
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  Speaker 2: before by my black friends, they'll say someone's running and
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  Speaker 2: they decided to show up at an MLK luncheon or
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  Speaker 2: breakfast on Martin Luther King Day, and everybody knows this
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  Speaker 2: is the first time they've ever been, so they're not
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  Speaker 2: buying it. Would that apply to this? Shouldn't that apply
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  Speaker 2: to showing up for football games that you don't like
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  Speaker 2: or haven't gone to? Or don't understand the verbiage as
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  Speaker 2: it associates with the game. Shouldn't that apply equally to this?
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  Speaker 2: I think it should. I think it definitely should apply
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  Speaker 2: More West Carol Morning Show right after the break. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Americans love their pets. That's no secret. People that have
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  Speaker 2: pets love them. People that don't have pets sometimes maybe
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  Speaker 2: not so much. And people who have pets and love
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  Speaker 2: their pets, some of them like to take them everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: And some people even that have pets don't necessarily want
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  Speaker 2: to see pets everywhere. A new talker research survey says
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  Speaker 2: that restaurants talk. the list of places that people don't
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  Speaker 2: really want to see dogs, and nearly half saying they'd
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  Speaker 2: be annoyed by a pet while they're eating. Grocery stores,
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  Speaker 2: doctors' offices, coffee shops, workplaces, even airplanes also made the
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  Speaker 2: leave the dog at home list. Older Americans generally less
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  Speaker 2: tolerant of pets in public than younger generations. The survey
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  Speaker 2: says that after restaurants come grocery stores, doctor's offices, coffee shops,
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  Speaker 2: work and office spaces, airplanes, arenas and stadiums, public transit,
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  Speaker 2: hotels and public beaches. That's the top 10 list. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean... I understand this is probably a generational thing.
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  Speaker 2: I get that. I do think sometimes, though, we sometimes
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  Speaker 2: don't fully appreciate and respect people that have the emotional
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  Speaker 2: support animals. I think some people maybe get a little
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  Speaker 2: annoyed with that. Some people maybe abuse the emotional support
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  Speaker 2: animal thing at times. I'm not saying they all are.
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  Speaker 2: I just think some people maybe abuse that as a rule. So,
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  Speaker 2: I think that might have something to do with it.
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  Speaker 2: Any of these places, I would probably be fine with
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  Speaker 2: seeing a dog. Just saying. Maybe there would be the
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  Speaker 2: occasion where I didn't want to see a dog. But
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  Speaker 2: if it's a well-behaved and well-mannered dog, then I don't
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  Speaker 2: understand what the big deal is. But again, I'm in
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  Speaker 2: that group of pet lovers. If you're looking for an
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  Speaker 2: easy way to declutter without spending an entire weekend... organizing.
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  Speaker 2: There's a new method called the close your eyes and
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  Speaker 2: pick method. The idea comes from social media, um, who
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  Speaker 2: basically says, uh, or this idea just says you, you
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  Speaker 2: do exactly what it says. You close your eyes, randomly
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  Speaker 2: grab an item from your closet and then check your reaction.
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  Speaker 2: If your thought is, I hate this. Why do I
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  Speaker 2: still own this? Then it's time maybe to let it go. Um, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but how long can you do that before you start
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  Speaker 2: getting into things? And if you're not making any progress
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  Speaker 2: of everything that you grab, you want to keep, then
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  Speaker 2: is there any positive reaction to all of it? I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. It's just a weird way to do it
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  Speaker 2: to me. It's not fun, and there's still going to
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  Speaker 2: be time involved. And if you have to physically close
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  Speaker 2: your eyes and all that, it starts to feel silly,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't it? You ever feel drained the day after a wedding,
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  Speaker 2: a family gathering, tough conversation? Experts say that you could
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: be experiencing what's referred to as an emotional hangover. It's
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: not about alcohol. It's just a term to describe the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: mental and physical exhaustion that can follow any intense emotional event.
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  Speaker 2: Whether it's happy or stressful doesn't matter. It could still happen,
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  Speaker 2: psychologists say. That big feelings activate the nervous system and
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  Speaker 2: require lots of energy to process, which can leave you
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  Speaker 2: feeling wiped after the moment has long passed. The good news,
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  Speaker 2: recovery is similar to regular hangovers. Plenty of sleep, eat well,
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  Speaker 2: stay hydrated, give yourself some grace. It's also possible that
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: you're an introvert and you maybe don't know it because
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: this is something that introverts experience a lot. It's also
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: possible that you may be somewhere on the ASD spectrum
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  Speaker 2: and you just need time to get your energy back
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  Speaker 2: in place. And I think any of these things could be.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, it could just be, hey, it took a
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: lot of energy to go and experience this. If you
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: are an introvert, it's probably worse. And if you're on
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the autism spectrum, then it's probably even worse. So show
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: each other some grace and yourself some grace and know
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: sometimes you just need time. to recharge. Time to reset
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: things and get moving. If you love candy corn, like really,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: really love candy corn and you want to smell like it,
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  Speaker 2: line called Ode to Candy Corn, inspired by the classic
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  Speaker 2: Halloween candy. The fragrance features notes of vanilla, sponge sugar,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and honey designed to capture the sweet taste of the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Iconic tri-colored treat. The perfume sold only online through candycornseason.com
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  Speaker 2: and two limited releases. The first one, September 22nd. The
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: second one, October 1st. Cost you about $ 22. I probably
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: like the smell of it more than I like the
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: taste of it, just being honest. And I take flack
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: for that when I say it every year. But to me,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: it's just empty calories that don't taste that great. That's
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: how I look at it. That'll do it for this
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