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NASA reopens the Moon race as Musk lashes out · Elon Musk Podcast

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  Hey everybody, welcome back to the Elon Musk podcast.
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  This is a show where we Elon Musk has attacked acting NASA
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  administrator Sean Duffy on X after Duffy said SpaceX is
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  behind on its moon return work. Musk called Duffy Sean Dummy,
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  accused him of having a 2 digit 2 digit IQ and said he is trying
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  to kill NASA. The post hit hours after Dusty
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  said he would open Space XS lunar Lander contract to rivals
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  to keep Artemis moving. The clash force is a simple
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  question that now drives the program's next moves.
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  Who leads the faster path back to the moon now?
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  Duffy started this round by telling television viewers the
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  SpaceX is behind the schedule on its obligations to return US
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  astronauts to the lunar surface. He said NASA will not wait on
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  one company and will consider proposals from other US teams.
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  He framed the shift as he race with China that requires fresh
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  options and strict milestones. ESA plans to open competition on
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  the Artemis 3 Lander, the SpaceX one, in 2021.
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  The Starship and agency previously added Blue Origin as
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  a second provider for later missions, and it now wants both
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  companies to prove proposed ways to accelerate now.
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  This step resets leverage across the industrial base and gives
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  managers a backup if Starship misses key tests.
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  Now the near term schedule gives the dispute teeth.
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  NASA already pushed its first crude Artemis flight to 2026 and
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  targeted mid 2027 for Artemis 3 in the calendar.
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  Only works if SpaceX proves orbital refueling and completes
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  a clean end to end test long before crude operations.
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  Musk answered Duffy with direct insults and with confidence
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  about Spacex's pace. He told 1 user that they won't.
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  SpaceX is moving like lightning compared to the rest of the
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  space industry. He also boosted post defending
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  Jared Isaacman for the NASA job after the White House pulled
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  Isaacman's nomination in May. Axio's political and other
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  outlets also reported the Duffy has floated folding NASA into
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  the Transportation Department. Musk saw that report and fired
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  off the trying to kill NASA line.
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  The idea adds a power center twist to a schedule flight that
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  already effects hardware choices and budget.
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  Now. Politico reported that Duffy and
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  Isaac Been both lobbied for the NASA role while the
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  administration waited whether to keep NASA independent or tuck it
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  under the Department of Transportation.
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  That context matters because contract decisions flow from
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  leadership picks and work charts.
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  The winner sense how the agency splits focus to an early lunar
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  landing Any longer Mars push. Now let's talk about what
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  opening up means in practice. NASA can ask Blue Origin and
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  possibly others to propose Landers or acceleration plans
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  for Artemis 3 while SpaceX continues working on Starship at
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  Starbase. That approach keeps pressure on
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  milestones and protects the schedule if one path stalls.
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  The technical gate remains Starship's orbital refueling and
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  full demonstration mission. That ties launch on orbit OPS
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  and safe recovery together. Managers need repeatable
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  performance on that chain before they can lock a crude landing
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  date. Rival bids could hedge that risk
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  if they include more incremental architectures.
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  Now the diplomatic gate sits with China's own lunar plans.
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  US leaders want an American crew on the surface before 20-30, and
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  Duffy framed the decision as a way to win the second space
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  race. Now that talking point turns a
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  schedule into a policy and ties NASA's contract call to a
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  concrete geopolitical metric. And the political gate revolves
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  around budget control and program ownership.
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  A move to place NASA under the Department of Transportation
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  would change who defends science and exploration lines on Capitol
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  Hill. That change would also affect
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  how Golden Dome civil space and defense space coordination get
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  de conflicted inside the administration.
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  The market gate focuses on who can deliver hardware at scale.
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  Blue Origins Blue Moon team already holds a later mission
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  contract, and NASA can lean on its work to shape an Artemis 3
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  backup. SpaceX still holds pole position
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  if Starship clears testing. The new competition trims the
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  slack in its schedule, and the communication now sits with
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  Musk's feed. Insults like Sean Dummy grab
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  attention, but the program moves on.
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  Written milestones and cash flow.
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  If NASA publishes acceleration request next week, the argument
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  shifts from just posts on Twitter to actual proposals from
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  SpaceX and Blue Origin. Any other competitors that it's
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  open to? So the risk of these three
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  layers stack up. Governance risk sets who calls
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  the shots and how, NASA reports. Technical risk sets whether
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  Starship can close its refueling loop in time for a 2027 landing,
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  and competitive risk sets how quickly a second provider can
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  offer a credible schedule if NASA decides to hedge now.
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  NASA open competition as SpaceX slipped, Musk has attacked Duffy
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  and Artemis now hinges on who proves speed with working
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  hardware. 1st is going to be Blue Origin or is it going to be
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  SpaceX? Let me know in the comments.
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