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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 375 - War Is Hell · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, May I have your attention please. The
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  Speaker 2: Read anything.
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  Speaker 3: Down and rasso from the Junises the mom, David bear
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  Speaker 2: Is a pure awenness.
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  Speaker 4: It's riding nights, chill the lights, the rag sault set, friend.
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  Speaker 2: Of the basting you and the boy for your mom
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  Speaker 2: to see, still saying.
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  Speaker 5: Job and here we go.
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  Speaker 4: All right, rob, let's go Postal with this shit.
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  Speaker 5: What's up everybody? Thank you, Joseph. Welcome in, Welcome in,
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  Speaker 5: welcome in. We hope everybody had a wonderful Christmas holiday
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  Speaker 5: if that's what you ah celebrate, yes, or happy honekah
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  Speaker 5: if that's what you celebrate, or quans or whatever. We're
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  Speaker 5: all here at the Locoming Podcast. It's Friday night, and
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  Speaker 5: just like the description says, if you read it, we're
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  Speaker 5: gonna be talking about Julia Postal, Johnny Brewer, and Warren
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  Speaker 5: Butch Barrows tonight. It's all about the Texas Theater and
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  Speaker 5: the keffusery going on and around there, Joe.
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  Speaker 4: Because there was a lot of it, Buddy, there is,
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  Speaker 4: and I wasn't sure how much there was, but I
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  Speaker 4: guess we can debate it as we go along. But
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  Speaker 4: I think let's first mention because I went on our
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  Speaker 4: merch site today and bought a couple T shirts of
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  Speaker 4: this new logo we have, and there is twenty five
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  Speaker 4: percent off, but it ends today as in five hours,
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  Speaker 4: four hours, twelve five hours.
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  Speaker 5: Which thing is. If you want to save twenty five
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  Speaker 5: off of your entire order, you got five hours. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: grab a hat, grab a hoodie, grab a T shirt
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  Speaker 5: if that's your thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, swee kick. Can't make any promises for people on
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  Speaker 4: other sides of the pond, but I'm sure there are
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  Speaker 4: a few. But yeah, I'm looking forward to this one.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, screwed because it's already tomorrow for them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what time they're going on works South
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  Speaker 4: to West gets the gold medal. Julia Postal and yes,
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  Speaker 4: she is a baddie. She's no, she's cute as hell.
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  Speaker 4: I think I think she's cuter than Ruth and Marina.
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  Speaker 5: I'll give you that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, mister Jack Taylor, how are you, sir? Uh? He
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  Speaker 4: got the silver metal congratulations? Then the d W.
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  Speaker 5: What's up?
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  Speaker 4: I believe got the bronze but it's who's in your
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  Speaker 4: first It looks like south Towest.
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  Speaker 5: South to west Okay, yeah, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Jack Taylor and Derek Ward.
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  Speaker 5: Jack Derek, what's up?
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  Speaker 4: And I was in darr Yes, how is your Christmas?
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  Speaker 5: Who?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Uh, it's fine, fine, fine, one day you're bliss.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Did the SCUFFUSA kids stop by? Or yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah all that good stuff? Yeah yeah, good, good good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I went to my father's. We had like a
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  Speaker 4: very small, very small thing. So uh and I kind
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  Speaker 4: of like that. Yes, evening, all, Happy Boxing Day. I
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  Speaker 4: guess it's Boxing Day? Is that right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I think that's that's like it's bigger than Christmas here.
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  Speaker 5: I think no idea what it means.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't like any Canadians box get that lot
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  Speaker 4: of hair?
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeahs like this tweet?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, okay, yeah, says.
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  Speaker 5: Evening all, Happy Boxing Day. I hope everyone had a
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  Speaker 5: wonderful Christmas. Tree and Daddy Christmas visited me.
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  Speaker 4: Does that mean Bobby Thundernuts apparently? Well, I hope you
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  Speaker 4: guys had a great night.
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  Speaker 5: Ka father Christmas.
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  Speaker 4: Trey who was not the tray tonight, but it's okay,
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  Speaker 4: we love you. He'll check in later during the show,
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  Speaker 4: catch the replay All Good Happy Holidays to YouTube. Claude
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  Speaker 4: Williams and aunt you. Dene says, how they boys and girls,
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  Speaker 4: hope that Santa gave you what you wished for. I
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  Speaker 4: got some good stuff. Actually I got some cash. I
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  Speaker 4: got some Zell's, I got.
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  Speaker 5: Some uh close six pack of loon Stars. But no,
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  Speaker 5: she went crazy and got us a case of Heineken
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  Speaker 5: there and they're living it up tonight.
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  Speaker 4: Whoa whoa respected? I respect it.
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  Speaker 5: During Christmas.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, my girlfriend went home to Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 5: Today, So oh that was an early Christmas present. That
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  Speaker 5: is the president gets all around.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, Ruby not a very good girl
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  Speaker 4: last week because she pooped in the corner during our
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  Speaker 4: last podcast on Friday.
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  Speaker 5: That's because she heard you say you're leaving her for
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  Speaker 5: a month.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well we'll save that from her braziltly. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: So James Smith, how are you, sir? And with a
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  Speaker 4: nice good fella's quote? Do you think Joe was funny? Funny?
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  Speaker 4: How you mean like I'm a clown? Do I amuse you?
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  Speaker 5: He does?
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  Speaker 4: I amuse you all.
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  Speaker 5: It's part of my charm. Yes, said very sad.
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  Speaker 4: The double B and you're gonna have to get the
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  Speaker 4: horn ready as I go down here. But good evening everyone,
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  Speaker 4: and as you're a good Catholic boy. I did go
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  Speaker 4: to church on Christmas Day by myself. I wasn't on
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  Speaker 4: my knees, but I was in church with a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of old people and uh, you know, it wasn't even full.
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  Speaker 4: And it was a ten thirty am mass, full choir, trumpets, drums.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of like sad, like the lack of you know, listen,
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  Speaker 4: like I'm not like a big religious person or anything.
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  Speaker 4: I just, you know, kind of feel like I can
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  Speaker 4: need all the help I can get type of thing.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm one of those Catholics that go to Christmas
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  Speaker 4: or go to church.
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  Speaker 5: On the holiday enough to go to Christmas or then
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  Speaker 5: to go to church. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So and it's a very and it's right down the street,
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  Speaker 4: so it's uh, I didn't want to upset the man upstairs,
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  Speaker 4: if you know what a man toops just made it
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  Speaker 4: evening all good morning and from down under. Yeah, Brian
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  Speaker 5: Brian ates hates hates hates.
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  Speaker 4: I hope I see it.
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  Speaker 5: I see what you said. What's up?
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  Speaker 4: Welcome, welcome, sir. How are you slacker down? What up?
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  Speaker 4: How do you friends be? We got peaches in here,
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  Speaker 4: and and I hope everyone enjoyed Christmas. Uh and oh
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  Speaker 4: the Double B gifted five lone gouvernment podcast memberships.
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  Speaker 5: Shit, who got him?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, let's see.
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  Speaker 5: Uh Stephen Froze or Stephen f Rose.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever, Maybe he's frozen. It is blizzard. It is a
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  Speaker 4: blizzard here. Now we have about three inches. I had
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  Speaker 4: to spend like twenty minutes maybe five minutes with a
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  Speaker 4: towel drying ruby off.
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  Speaker 5: The various favorite three inches.
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  Speaker 4: Three inches so far is predicted six to twelve, So
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  Speaker 4: we're going to be growing as we go. Deedie Robert
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  Speaker 4: mameir ex eh like, yeah, I'm working on my Italian
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  Speaker 4: I've been watching YouTube videos. Actually, Mike the Library man
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  Speaker 4: got I believe regift regifted one. I think he got one.
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  Speaker 5: Before he's back in baby.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to re up those things though, mister Mike.
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  Speaker 4: You know you can't just rely on the Double B. Right.
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  Speaker 4: And Dave Sparks, Uh yeah, uncle Dave Slide. Yes, well
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  Speaker 4: he's very elderly. Tony Holman, you made it, thank you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I figure after, you know, the family time,
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  Speaker 4: we want to kind of disconnect and talk some JFK
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  Speaker 4: dog star Sete I believe also from Australia. Right looking
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  Speaker 4: forward to the show eleven eleven five eleven o five
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  Speaker 4: am here in Sydney. I thought it was like seven
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  Speaker 4: or eight am. It's almost noon there.
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  Speaker 5: Huh that's far in the future. Yeah, he missed a
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  Speaker 5: couple before the freebies. Oh turn, what up? Turn?
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  Speaker 4: What at? Buddy? Sorry? I didn't need to miss you.
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  Speaker 4: Uh and uh prova wan.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, young, Yes, I love it.
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  Speaker 4: The double be distracted me and your horn. Uh Frankie
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  Speaker 4: G is here, frank x G.
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  Speaker 5: My horn has been known to distract.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Tiny dancer. Boxing day is for going to
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  Speaker 4: the horse races in my family.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, what do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 6: Like the track apparently or like horses is in like
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  Speaker 6: show horses and uh or racing racehorse bar racing.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Cha bird who is let me? Don't stop me, Joline, Yes,
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  Speaker 4: I got it.
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  Speaker 5: Joe is learning.
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  Speaker 4: I'm learning. I'm a slow learner, as we all know. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: I am special for sure. Uh.
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  Speaker 5: Hold on. Need to reward Joe when he gets things
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  Speaker 5: right around here.
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  Speaker 4: So I just I just did a bow.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's my first bow. Uh for a while,
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  Speaker 5: I'll be be my last.
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  Speaker 4: Uh. Let me see if I miss anyone else. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: and I haven't, so uh yeah, rob Let's Uh, why
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  Speaker 4: don't you give a little intro of what we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: talk tonight and then I'll get into mister Johnny Brewer.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Joe, Thank you Joe. So tonight we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: be talking about one of the key elements to the story.
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  Speaker 5: There's several key elements I think, to the story of
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  Speaker 5: the Kennedy assassination and the Oswald arrest subsequent to the assassination,
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  Speaker 5: and this is one of them. And it's all about
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  Speaker 5: the Texas Theater because there's I was gonna name this
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  Speaker 5: this this episode, Joe, I was gonna name it convergence.
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna name it something clever. And then I
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  Speaker 5: saw that Gil Jesus beat me to it in an
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  Speaker 5: education forum post oh, going postal on Julia Postal. So
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  Speaker 5: I didn't want to steal his thunder. So let's figure
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  Speaker 5: out that showing movie wars hell about you know whatever?
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  Speaker 4: What? I thought that was a great I thought that
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  Speaker 4: was a great When I saw it, I was like,
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  Speaker 4: that's a really good title. And yes, I'm very aware
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna get that to him shortly. I just a
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  Speaker 4: brew as a yes.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, I just think convergence because it seems like
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  Speaker 5: the stories that we're going to be talking about tonight
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  Speaker 5: come together in a very magical way, if you will,
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  Speaker 5: and it all stems. I mean, we we've we've done that.
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  Speaker 5: The Tippet murder to death. Yeah, pardoners. So immediately following that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, whoever was at whoever killed Tippet, ran away
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  Speaker 5: and is likely the person arrested at the theater. Now
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  Speaker 5: you can choose to believe that that man is Lee
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  Speaker 5: Harvey Oswald, or you can choose to believe that it's
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  Speaker 5: somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: M h.
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  Speaker 5: There is evidence to support both of these theories.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, two Scafusa's balconies. What was conflicting testimonies? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's uh.
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  Speaker 5: So on one hand, you know, you have to look
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  Speaker 5: at the timing of things, Joe, and when the timing
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  Speaker 5: doesn't start lining up, you know, because a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people out there believe that Oswald could not have made
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  Speaker 5: it to the Texas Theater, I'm sorry to the scene
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  Speaker 5: of the Tippet murder in enough time after he left
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  Speaker 5: his rooming house too be the person to shoot and
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  Speaker 5: kill tipp It. And that's a valid argument, very valid one.
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  Speaker 5: You know when you when you when you figure that
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  Speaker 5: the shots happened at twelve thirty one pm and you
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  Speaker 5: go through the sequences of events that they have been
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  Speaker 5: presented to us. You know, you have to figure the
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  Speaker 5: last shot is fired and daily Plaza. You have to
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  Speaker 5: run across the floor, hide the gun, get down the stairs,
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  Speaker 5: cafoo's around for a little bit like you don't know
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  Speaker 5: what's going on. Then sneak out.
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  Speaker 4: Then walk second floor, second one, second floor encounter.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you got a couple of blocks away, Get on,
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  Speaker 5: get on the bus, get off and off the bus,
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  Speaker 5: walk to another couple of blocks, Get in the taxi,
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  Speaker 5: get dropped off five blocks away from your rooming house,
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  Speaker 5: and walk back five blocks, which takes time. You need
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  Speaker 5: to go inside, you need to change your clothes, you
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  Speaker 5: need to grab your pistol, you need to come back
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  Speaker 5: out and be seen standing on the corner, not walking
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  Speaker 5: away right.
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  Speaker 4: By Robert.
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  Speaker 5: And then somehow make it twelve to fifteen minutes from
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  Speaker 5: like say one oh two, Uh to the scene to
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  Speaker 5: kip it tippet killing and you know, then run around
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  Speaker 5: the corner, which is where this story kind of picks up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, dump your jacket and then uh have some skafuza
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  Speaker 4: kind of follow you and uh, which would be Brewer
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  Speaker 4: and uh, it's it's it's kind of a mess. So Rob,
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  Speaker 4: as we usually like to do, we usually start with
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  Speaker 4: the d b D first day affidavits. Right, Yes, I
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  Speaker 4: want to ask you a question. Is there a first
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  Speaker 4: day aff I'm gonna give you a couple of test questions.
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  Speaker 4: Is there a first day Affidavid? Do you think for
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  Speaker 4: Johnny Calvin Brewer?
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  Speaker 5: Probably not, there is not.
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  Speaker 4: Is there one for Julia Postal?
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  Speaker 5: I can tell you there is not.
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  Speaker 4: But Burroughs probably not. So are they trying to get
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  Speaker 4: their ducks in a row? Because remember Oswalt was allegedly
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  Speaker 4: arrested for shooting a police officer first.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Well, you know here, like I mentioned in the
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  Speaker 5: show before Joe that consequently to Oswald's arrest, things got
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  Speaker 5: very messy very quickly, with the FBI trying to step
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  Speaker 5: in and kind of take control of the investigation. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: they wanted all the evidence against Oswald, including the Tippet shit.
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  Speaker 5: Right now, I don't know how all this would have
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  Speaker 5: worked itself out in the long run. I don't see
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  Speaker 5: them transferring Oswald into federal custody, right mm hm, because
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  Speaker 5: he would have had to stay in trial in Texas.
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  Speaker 5: This was a this was a Texas crime, not a
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  Speaker 5: federal crime. So I think had Oswald lived, they would
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  Speaker 5: have had a field day in court with all this
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  Speaker 5: evidence and chain of chain of custody. I mean, it
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  Speaker 5: would have been a nightmare. Would have been a nightmare, nightmare.
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  Speaker 5: And just from looking into the whole tipp It thing, uh,
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  Speaker 5: it seems like to me that that investigation died with Oswald,
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  Speaker 5: Meaning when Oswald died, the investigation of the murder of J. D.
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  Speaker 4: Tippet stopped, right, which is what we've talked about with
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  Speaker 4: with Hosty, Right.
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  Speaker 5: He was concerned.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but but with Hosty too like get rid of
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  Speaker 4: the note, he's we don't need it Shanklin to host you.
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  Speaker 5: That's it right, right? But now, the FBI did continue
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  Speaker 5: to investigate certain aspects of the case, as we'll find
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  Speaker 5: out tonight for the Warren Commission. You know, I believe
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  Speaker 5: that they interviewed Brewer postal. I don't know about Burrows,
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  Speaker 5: And of course they gave their testimony to the Warren Commission.
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  Speaker 5: For what it's worth, it ain't worth much. And of
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  Speaker 5: course in subsequent years people have tracked these people down.
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  Speaker 5: I think Brewer just died in twenty twenty one, right,
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  Speaker 5: he lived a relatively long life. I'm right, Joe, just
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  Speaker 5: say yes, yes, okay, thank you. So, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not surprised.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was only twenty two at the time, by
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  Speaker 4: the way.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so I'm surprised. I mean, I'm not surprised
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  Speaker 5: at the lack of official Dallas stuff, although I am
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  Speaker 5: a little I guess left in wonderment why we don't
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  Speaker 5: have same I mean, I guess they had their hands full,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And really, in the
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  Speaker 5: big scheme of things, these people aren't important, you know,
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  Speaker 5: if you're looking at it from a thirty foot view, right, essentially, well,
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  Speaker 5: because the story hasn't been made up yet, right, the
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  Speaker 5: story hasn't been given a chance to grow and let breathe. Right,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they got a lot of shit going on,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And Oswald they got him,
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  Speaker 5: They got him. So at that point, you know, they
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  Speaker 5: got probably the Sheriff's offices full of confuses, the Dallas
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  Speaker 5: Police headquarters is full of confuses and press and everybody else.
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  Speaker 5: So the focus shifts away from looking for Oswald or
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  Speaker 5: looking for the suspect. Two they got him. Suspect is
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  Speaker 5: in custody. He's been charged with murdering a Dallas police officer,
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  Speaker 5: which means whoever killed Tippett is the guy that they
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  Speaker 5: got in the in the Texas Theater. And that's where
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  Speaker 5: their thinking was. So these people be talking about tonight
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  Speaker 5: weren't necessarily necessary or instrumental at that time in getting
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  Speaker 5: testimony from because it really didn't matter. They got their
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  Speaker 5: guy in the end.
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  Speaker 4: Well, well let me push back them out a little
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  Speaker 4: bit because you have same day Affi Davids, and we've
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  Speaker 4: gone through it. We do it everywhere Friday, do it
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  Speaker 4: from every Skufuza witness in Daley Plaza. But the guy
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  Speaker 4: that points out Oswalt and you know notices he's snooking
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  Speaker 4: to the theater, You're not gonna get a first day
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  Speaker 4: Affidavid for him. He it was sixteen days December sixth
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  Speaker 4: that Brewer was first is the first UH interview on
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  Speaker 4: the DPD portal to Texas History website sixteen days postal
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  Speaker 4: fourteen days. So for me, they're trying to get their
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  Speaker 4: ducks in a row. And I get it like they
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  Speaker 4: might be going chronologically kind of like we do. But
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  Speaker 4: I mean, come on, you're gonna get like some random.
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  Speaker 5: Dude, Like I said, you gotta remember it. You're talking
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  Speaker 5: when you're talking about first day after day it was,
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  Speaker 5: you're talking about Dalley Plaza, Texas school Book Depository witnesses.
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  Speaker 5: People's closest to the most horrible crime is entry. So
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  Speaker 5: you're gonna want to be thorough right, and they were.
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  Speaker 5: They got first aid affidavis from a lot of fricking
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: people those Like I said, the Sheriff's office and the
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Dallas Police headquarters was full of scaffooz's that day, you know.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: And you got to remember they got their man two
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: hours after the president Kenny shot, so they're already busy
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: taking all this other testimony in affidavis. Right, These these
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: people that we're gonna be talking about today at that point,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: like I said, with thirty foot view, don't really matter very.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Much, right, Their secondary in a sense, right, it's.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: When you start looking at things and what they have
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: to say under a microscope in a vacuum, the shit
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: gets a little squirrely. If you follow me, I do.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: So let's get into it, Joe, all right, Well we
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: are going to start off with mister brew I'm gonna
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: have trouble with that name Brewer, Johnny Johnny Brewer, Uh,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Johnny de Bruce the Bruce. Hey, I'm happy to call
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: him that. That's much easier for me. All right, So
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: the first three pictures here on top of our mister
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Brewer Brewer, We're going to get into that. Uh. On
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: the bottom left here is Butcher Burrow, and on the
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: right is a different picture I found of Ms Postal Julia. Yeah,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: she's a kind of a babe. So let's go to
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: the first thing we well, let's go. Let's let's introduce him.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: John Calvin Brewer was the son of a foreman on
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: a construction company. This is from spartacus dot com. John
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Sipkin was born in Miami, Oklahoma, not to confuse you
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: with Miami, Florida. When he was two years old and
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: the family moved to Lockhart, Texas. After leaving Lockhart High School,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: he studied at Southwest Texas State Teachers College in San Marcos.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Where is San Marcos Somewhere in Texas I've never heard
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: it before.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: Probably close to southern in the south, southern Texas, somewhere
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: at SMU. Yeah.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: He stayed only for a year before moving to Nixon
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Clay Business College. In September nineteen sixty one, he found
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: employment at Hardy's Shoe Store in Austin, which, of course,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: oh no, that's a different location. Ten months later he
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: was made manager of the store in Oak Cliff, Texas.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: So it was kind of crack real quick, Joe, I
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: should trob to say this. People might be thinking these days,
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: all right, what a shit job been working in a
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: shoe store, right, But back in the day, working in
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: a shoe store was like kind of kind of not prestigious.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: But it wasn't frowned upon as like a skufuzi job,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: It wasn't, you know, doing the floors on the sixth.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Four guys war suits. They treated you like family when
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: you came in in there. You know, they they measured
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: your feet, they got to your shoes, they slipped them
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: on for you, they tied them whatever. They took care
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: of you from the moment you walked in that door
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: to the moment you walked out with your bag, because
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: they made commission on the shoes that they sold back then. Yeah,
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: so you know, back then you might think, okay, shoe salesman,
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: why is he going to all these business schools? And
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: then it star need to be a teacher and then
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: ends up working in a shoe store. These guys can
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: make good money working in the shoe stores back in
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: the day.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Now you know you work a foot locker, you know whatever, right.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you could have bought a house as a
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: manager of the bookstore. I'm guessing at that point, you know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: And of course he can't buy a house these days
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: if you work, yes, or a shoestore, yeah, anywhere under
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: like one hundred grand, like good luck. Brewer was working
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: in the store on twenty second November sixty three. He
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: was listening to the radio when they broke in with
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: the bulletin that President JFK had been shot. After hearing
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: a news flash that Jad Tippett had been shot nearby,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: he saw a man acting strangely outside the shop, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: we're going to get into whether he was outside or inside,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: because the story kind of changes a little bit. The
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: police cars were racing. Quote, the police cars were racing
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: up and down Jefferson with their sirens blasting, and it
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: appeared to me that this guy was hiding from them.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: He's referring to Oswald, of course. Allegedly, he waited until
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: there was a break in the activityly and then headed
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: west until he got to the Texas Theater. And this
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: is I believe fifty sixty feet away. I think it's
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: three stores down. I have a picture of it coming up.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Johnny Brewer went into the theater and spoke to Warren
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Butch Burrows, the assistant manager. Burrows had seen him enter
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: the balcony of the theater. When the police arrived, Brewer
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: accompanied the office into the cinema, where he pointed out
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: the man he had seen acting in a suspicious manner.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: After a brief struggle, Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested. So
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: as one does. This is a picture of the Hardy
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Shoe store, and this is on the right and article
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: on November twenty seventh, which would be what five days
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: after the assassination. I believe this was in the Dallas
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Morning News. The first fully detailed account. I mean, we're
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: going to go through all this, but it's it's again
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: November twenty second, twenty seventh. He's not interviewed by the
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: DPD officially under deposition until December sixth. So why the
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: hold up? Why the hold up?
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: I told you, I think they had their hands full.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: And then once Oswald gets killed in custody, everything is
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: a fucking mess. And then the dust settles a little bit.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then okay, but he played the major role
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: in getting Oswald arrested, which is what what bockles in
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: my mind.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, well, excuse me, let me say this. Okay, maybe,
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: but these cop cars and the cops were already on
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: the run, like they were already looking they one of
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: their guys had been killed, right, So are they're already
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: looking for somebody on foot around this area? There's cop
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: cars all over the place. M hm. So the fact
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: that Brewer prompted postals to call the police and say
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: somebody's here, you know, that's significant. But again, the ultimate
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: prize here is they got him. They got him, and
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: that's all the matter in that moment, right, And you
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: don't know, you don't know how this is gonna end.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: You know, you might think it's gonna end in a
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: trial until Oswald gets killed and until the FBI comes
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: waltzing in and co opting your investigation. But up until
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: that moment, once they figure this all out, then they
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: have to go back and start to start really backtracking
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: and crossing their t's and dotting their eyes and their
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: shit together because they know a formal federal investigation is
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: coming into the matter in the form of the Warren Commission.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: And I agree with that, but I'm saying sixteen days,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: and we've had two comments from Tony Holmland and Jock Taylor.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: They had to get the narrative together and they had
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: to get the story straight. And I think, as you mentioned,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: things were hectic, and maybe they were going chronologically, but.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: If there was tracing, you know, everything from the point
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: of the assassination, and they probably did go chronologically. You know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: you're going to start in daily plaza. You're going to
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: start in the school book depository. You're going to start
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: by running down who knew this guy, who's related to
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: this guy, where was he living? Everything about the guy.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: First, bringing in everyone on the sixth floor for.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: Crew this is second. Then you got a second too,
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: right for the for the Kennedy crime. Then you get
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: to the Typic crime and all the witnesses, then you
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: get to the capture, then you get to his murder.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: So there.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Ruby's happening. Yeah, I hear you under I just find it.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: I just feel like there there was some aspect of
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: they're not sure what to do, and this kid, as
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: we're gonna hear from him shortly in a video twenty
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: two years old, right, young kid, younger than Oswalt. So
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: let me get back to this here, and this is
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: what I am talking about. So I go on the
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: DPD website and they go, I'm looking for the affid
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: David of Johnny Brewer, and one says date November twenty second,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: sixty three, and the other one says December sixth, nineteen
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: sixty three. They are in fact the same exact statements,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: of course, so I don't know if that's an error.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Who knows. We'll leave it up to you to decide.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: But it just seems a little weird to me. And
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: let's get to his statement. Friday, November twenty second, nineteen
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: sixty three, I Johnny Brewer was at work at Hardy's
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: shoe store to thirteen West Jefferson. I heard on the
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: radio that the president had been shot, also that a
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: policeman had been shot in Old Cliff. At one thirty pm,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: I saw a man standing in the lobby of the
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: shoe store. This isn't just keep this in mind. I
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: saw him in the lobby of the shoe store, which
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: means he's inside the store, right, that's how you would
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: interpret that.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: That's how I take it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Yep. This man was wearing a brown sport shirt. He
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: also acted as if he was scared about this time,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: a police car came up the street going west on Jefferson.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Of course, they're probably going to the tip of scene
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: or you know, doing whatever. There's a lot of cars
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: going everywhere. When the police car reached Zang's, it made
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: a turn and went back to east on Jeffers. After
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: the police car passed, the man in the lobby walked
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: up Jefferson towards the Texas Theater. I followed the man
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: up the street and he went into the theater. I
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: asked the girl which would be postal in the box office,
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: as she sold the man a ticket. So this dude's
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: playing private detective here, right, and she replied that she
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: did not think so, that she had been listening to
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: the radio and did not remember. I went postal wasn't
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: playing private detective obviously. I went to the show and
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: asked Butch Burrows, the concession man, if he had seen
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: the man come in, but said that he had been
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: busy and did not notice. Butch and I then so
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: he got by Butch and Julia postal but and that.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: I then checked the exits to see if any of
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: them had been opened. It's like, what the hell is
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: he doing here? This guy managered a stocial shoe store
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: like checking exits. The exits were all closed and did
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: not appear to have been opened. I then went to
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: the boxed office and told Julie to call the police.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: When the police arrived, the show was stopped and the
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: lights were turned on. In the movie theater, a man
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: in the middle section, about five or six rows five
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: or six rows of seats from the back, stood up.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: When the police arrived, the show was stopped and the
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: lights were turned on. A man in the middle section,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: about five or six rows of the back stood up.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: An officer approached him, and he hit the officer and
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: knocked him back. Several other officers then joined the fight
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: and the man was taken out of the theater. This
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: was the same man I had seen in front of
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: the shoe store where I work. The reason I noticed
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: the man in front of the store again, not in
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: the store as Perr's earliest Affidavid, was because he acted
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: so nervous and I thought at the time he might
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: be the man that had shot the policeman signed Johnny
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Colvin and of course the sixth day of December the
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: same notary public Lady, and that has done almost all
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: the DPD affidavits that we've read. So now let me Chell.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Let's hear what Johnny Burr has to say himself. And
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: this is from Gil Jesus' brew.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: Br Let's see what he.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Let's see what he has to say, because it's a
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: little interesting. And I want you to pay attention Rob
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: to his eye contact, because he seems to look down
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: a lot, and I'm not sure.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: What's going on. Vicious, suspicious, suspicious, it could be. Yeah,
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: it's always good to actually see these people and hear
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: them and listen to them, because you get a much
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: better sense of if they're full of shit or not.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: When you actually see him talking and hear him talking.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: Call it the gut feeling, the sixth sense, if you will.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let me Jesus Christ, and I'm going
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: to it once I figure this out. I have some
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: I need to work on my tab work.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: And roll it.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: It's rolling all and.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Roll it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: It's about three minutes, Johnny.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: When was the first time you saw Lee Harvey Oswald?
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: Uh s? One at Friday afternoon? Nowhere for twenty second?
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: He walked into the lotting a store.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: How far inded he turn it up?
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: Just a few feet? He was standing out that where
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: those tennis shoes are right there, just about five feet
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: from the door there.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'll start it over. I turned it up all
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: the way. I'm sorry it was it was not turned up, Johnny.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: When was the first time you saw Lee Harvey Oswald?
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Better one at Friday afternoon?
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Nowhere between?
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: He walked into the lotting a store.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: How far in did he walk out there? John Just
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: a few feet?
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: He was standing rout that where those tennis shoes are
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: right there, just about five feet from.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: The door there.
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: What made you suspicious of this man who walked into
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: the lobby well right after uh President of been shot.
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: They broadcast description on the radio of this man who
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: was five eight five, nine hundred and fifty pounds, and
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: this oswell matched description. And for just a few minutes
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: before he walked in, the lobby had on a radio
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: they had a bulletin that a officer had been shot
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: here in o'cliff.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: And he walked in.
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: He matched description, looked scared.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: This way he stood there.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: You were standing right here behind standing right here.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Behind the count and listening to the radio.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: And uh, where did he walk to?
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Uh? How far he was to the lobby did he come?
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: He walked right into the right hand side of the
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: lobby there, just a few feet from the door, and
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: stood there looking in at the shoes.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: There were there a lot of police cars in the area's.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: Uh, a lot of police cars. Uh, there were some
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: cars coming up to Jefferson Street. They made that you
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: turned there and went back down Jeffson. And when they did,
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: Ozwald turned and walked up to the theater. When he
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: went out the lobby and toward the theater, I walked
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: out to the sidewalk and.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Way you could see how close what two three stores down?
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: Well, we've we've looked at this before. This is a
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: bad angle. Yeah, and this is this is way closer
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: than where Hardy Shoes story. I mean, this is a
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: Texas theater right here, right.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, you could see uh wars.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Oh no, you can't see that.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: So it's probably taken after.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: That party would have been like behind whoever's taking this video,
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: like about at least fifty yards sixty yards away.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: That's exactly what he says. Fifty to sixty feet he says.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: But I have a picture of it in my next slide.
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: Then I walked up to the theater and asked Ms
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: Postal there, the cashier, if she had sold a ticket
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: to this man wearing the brown sports shirt you know
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: his description.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: She called the police and uh, Butch stayed there to
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: the front exit, and I went back down by the
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: stage the back exit and waited there til the police came.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Did you get the rush down? Where ever heard him
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: in the uh? Wink in the theater?
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: How what happened when the police came.
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: Well, uh, just before the police got there, they turned
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: the house lights on the theater and uh, I looked
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: out the curtain and saw Osle and he stood up
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: and walked to the aisle there and then turned around
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: and set back down its almost where he had been setting.
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: Then I heard this noise outside and UH open the door,
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: and the police grabbed me and UH asked me what
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: I was doing there, and I told him, and they
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: asked me if the man was still in theater. I
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: said yes. They asked me to point him out.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: So.
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: Cup three other policeman stuff walked out and pointed to him,
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: and Austin McDonald he was the first one to him.
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: He approached him and Oswald stood up.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: I'm John Ruer November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. I
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: was a fellow who followed Lee Oswell to the Texas
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Theater and pointed him out for his arrest.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Just word, don't try to sneak out.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I'll get you, oh man. The the shoe store salesman
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: playing private detective.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: I'll get you, boy.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: I'll get you if you walk into the theater, if
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: you don't buy any shoes, oh man.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: I get a couple of things from watching old jcg here. Okay,
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: give it to me. The vibe is I don't get
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: a good sense that he's being completely honest about things.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: There's there's not a lot of eye contact. Like you said,
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: he looks away or down a lot of the time
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: and not directly at the camera or the interviewer when
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: he's answering questions, which is suspect. And then I also
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: can hear when he speaks about these people. And we'll
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: get to it a little bit more here in a minute,
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: but it seems to me like he knows these people
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: on a first name basis, like he knows Butch and
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: he knows Julia. But he even calls her Julie, right, Dona,
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: she went by.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: And Butcher's the nickname too.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the guy's name is Warren, but you can call
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: me Butch. But what's interesting is Julia Postal. Okay, that's
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: her god given name. Okay, but she doesn't ever go
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: by Julia. Everybody calls her Julie. I mean, Joe, look
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: at this real quick. This is her headstone. H she
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: goes by and went by Julie. Everybody called her Julie.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Even Johnny Calvin Brewer called her Julie at times when
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: he's speaking about her. He calls her missus Postal or Julie.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: So very interesting because at the time, you see, she
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: was born in nineteen and twenty four. So she was
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: pushing forty at the time of the Oswald assassination. Yeah,
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: or I mean Kennedy assassination. Yeah, so she was thirty
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: nine at the time, and now Butch was more closer
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: to his age, right, this cafoods are working the concession stand,
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: you know. But he knew this chick well enough to
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: call her Julie at times. But we'll get there, I promise.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: And it's not out of the realm with possibility that
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: you would know the names of the people you work
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: a couple of stores down from you know that's not
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: super sus.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: Well, but it's not a store. What the Texas Theater
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: is not a store?
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: No, I'm saying you could imagine a scenario where he
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: knows the people working a couple stores down from.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: Him, can you?
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: I think so?
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: If I really, do you know people that work at
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: a couple of stores down from where you were? I
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: work virtually so no, But when you did work in
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: the building, did you know people you know four or
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: five buildings away from you have field down the street?
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I did?
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: I did? Uh for sure? I mean I'm a personable guy.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Uh, you're not looking, You're not give me eye contact.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: You're looking away, lie motherfucker, you're lie by the fucker.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Uh so, yeah, let's see some comments here.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Uh uh.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Did he or did he not buy a ticket? Johnny said,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: he asked Julia, but he didn't say how. We responded,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: we'll get there in a couple of minutes.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: Get just hold tight.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, wow, I agree, and uh, Paul is coming
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: couple a little late, John Armstrong. She would start crying
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: when anyone asked her if L H O bought a ticket?
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: And I believe you'll probably get it into some of that, right,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: didn't she cry? I don't remember who asked her the question.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: No, no, Larry Larry Ray Harris, okay, who, by the way,
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: didn't publish it anywhere, and it's just hearsay.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: There you go. Yeah, that's so that's the problem, because
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: her favorite, her favorite quote recently is that's.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: A problem conspiracy fodder.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: I asked Julie if she sold him a ticket, and
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: she got very upset and ran out of the room crying,
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: And then when she came back in, I asked her
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: again and she still didn't answer the question. So I
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: take that and she sold him a ticket? Yeah, I
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: mean could, but again, we don't. We don't even a
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: We don't know that this interview ever happened. We don't
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: know you know much of anything about it, and Larry
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: Ray Hairs didn't publish hardly anything about it. Specifically.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: Jack says, I actually snuck in the theater a couple
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: of years ago when the cleaning lady had the front
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: door propped open, and you sent us a you sent
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: us a picture of that, and we're going to show
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: it on members only per your request, in our group
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: job with you, me and Rob And yeah, I agree, Brandon.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: It's like he's thinking about what to say, not so
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: much recalling what happened, and you know it. The first
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: aid testimony says he kind of goes inside and then
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: we're gonna or it was standing outside, and then we're
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: going to see what he says in his warrant commissioned
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: testimony a couple months later. I believe it was in May.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: And let me see if there's any other comments. All right,
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: So let's get back to my precious powder point.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: And roll it.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, so Brewer's Warren commissioned testimony by h says Berlin.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: But I think that means Beilin this is from Spartacas too,
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: and I have more stuff coming. When did when you
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: looked up, mister Belin said, did you step out of
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: the store at all? No, Brewer says, I was stole
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: in the store behind the counter, and I looked up
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: and saw the man enter the lobby. When did When
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: you say the lobby of your store, First, let me
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: ask you to describe how is how wide is your
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: sort approximately? I mean, bullshit, twenty feet? Who cares?
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: So you saw a man going into what you referred
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: to as the lobby area as this lobby area, yes,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: and he stood there with his back to the street,
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: as in like facing away to not get noticed, I
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: think is his implication, Beilin, When did he go in?
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: What did you hear at the time that he stepped
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: into this lobby area? I heard the police cars coming up, Jefferson,
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: and he stepped in, and the police made a U
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: turn and went back down Jefferson. Where'd he make you turn?
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Zayings?
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Do you remember the sirens going away? Yeah? Blah blah
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah. But I just want to go back
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: a little bit, uh to see where he says he
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: didn't actually step in because I read that recently. I
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: guess he did say standing in the lobby, so I
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: guess that does kind of not jump, So that's my bad. Then,
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: when mister Bielan, then when did you then? What did
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: you did you see this man do? He turned and
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: walked out of the lobby and went up West Jefferson
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: toward the theater. And I walked out front and watched him,
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: and he went into the theater.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: What theater is that?
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: Texas Theater? Why did you happen to watch this particular man?
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: He just looked phony to me. Rule in the first place,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: I had seen him someplace before. I think he had
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: been in my shoe store before. And when you wait
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: on somebody, you recognize them. And he just seemed funny.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: His hair was sort of messed up and looked like
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: he had been running, I mean, come on, and he
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: looked scared and he looked funny. Did you notice any
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: of his actions when he was standing in your lobby there? No,
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: he just stood there and stared. He stared, Yes, was
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: he looking at the merchandise? Not anything in particular, He
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: was just standing there staring. Well, would you state then
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: what happened? You said? You saw him walk into the
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Texas Theater. He walked into the theater, and I walked
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: up to the theater to the box office and asked
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: missus postal if she sold a ticket to the man
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: who was wearing a brown shirt, and she said no,
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: she hadn't. She was listening to the radio herself. And
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: then and I said that a man walked in there,
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: and I was going to go inside and ask the
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: usher if he had seen him. So, like, pause right here,
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, is he really like thinking he's a private
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: detective like bus thing? Some guy at going and you know,
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: a theater. I don't know, it's it's weird.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: Well, he's putting two and two together. He thinks he's hurd.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: He know that the cops been shot. The cops are
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: zipping up and down Jefferson Street looking for somebody. He
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: has an inkling this might be the guy. Right, But
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: instead of calling the police like he should have m hm,
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: or he should have just walked over non chalantly and
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: been like, hello, sir, is there anything I can help
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: you find today? And just kind of got by the
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: front door and then just locked a motherfucker in there.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: It got it right, right, Yeah, So I walked in
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: and butch Burrows. Who was Burrows? He an asks Brewer.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: He was behind the counter. He operated the concession and
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: takes tickets. He was behind the concession stand. And I
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: asked him if he had seen a man in a
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: brown shirt of that description, matching that descript and he
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: said he had been working behind the counter and hadn't
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: seen anybody. And I asked him if he would come
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: with me and show me where the exits were and
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: we would check the exits. And he asked me why
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I would ask him why too. I told him I
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: thought the guy looked suspicious. Could you tell me whether
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: or not he bought a ticket? No, he just turned
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: and walked right in. I heard a noise outside, Burr says.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: And I opened the door in the alley, I guess
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: it was filled with police cars and policemen were on
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: the fire exits and stacked around the alley. And they
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: grabbed me, a couple of them and held and searched
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: me and asked me what I was doing there. And
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: I told them that there was a guy in the
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: theater that I was suspicious of. And he asked me
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: if he was still there, and I said yes, I'd
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: just seen him, and he asked me if i'd point
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: him out, and I and two or three officers walked
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: out on the stage and I pointed him out. And
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: there were officers coming in from the front of the show,
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: I guess coming toward that way, an officers going from
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: the back. David fa Then what did you see, Bilan,
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: asks Brewer. Well, I saw the policeman approach Oswalt, and
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: Oswalt stood up and I heard him hollering. I don't
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: know exactly what he said, and this man hit Patrolman McDonald.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: So again he's getting his story straight if he knows
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: Patrolman McDonald's name.
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: As most witnesses, as we'll come to find out there
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: there there, their memory gets better with age, apparently, yes,
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: but we'll get there. Yeah.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: I found something interesting. Uh And the DPD portal to
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: Texas History and this is a memo to Henry Wade
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: from Everett. I guess must have been one of his
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: detectives subject Ruby as an attention seeker. And they're just
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: lining up all these people who said Ruby wants attention
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: and blah blah blah blah blah. But there is a
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: Dennis Brewer here I don't know if there's any relation.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: I haven't had time to check ancestry, but yeah, who
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: knows Campez too under there? This is interesting. So now
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: we're going to go to the DPD case report on
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: the murder of JD. Tippett that was written by Jim
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Levell on November twenty second, filed sixty three, concerning the
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: murder of JJ Tippett. Includes a description of Lee Harvey Oswald,
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: the summary of the case, and a list of witnesses.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: I have an arrow here, a big one date ante.
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: Wait a minute, look at that address they have for Oswald,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: ten six North Marcellus. Do you see what I'm saying?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't catch that.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: Beckley, North Marsalus. Wow, that's odd.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And the date and time of offense, which should
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: be the murder of JD. Tippett.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: Do you think that Oswald gave him the wrong address
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: initially as possible?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, we know he lied to the FBI
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: in New Orleans. But date of offense one eighteen pm.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're just listening to the Tippet murder as being
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: one eighteen right. I'm more intrigued by the address. Interesting
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: when supposedly when they officially first interrogated Oswald at like
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: three something with hosting and book out there. Yeah, because
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: the hosty wrote down ten to twenty six North Beckley.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: Like Oswald was telling.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: Them the truth, right and he gave wait, he gave.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: But you got to remember this dude was in Dallas
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: police custody from about quarter to two. Uh you know,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: they got him in the car. He was probably down
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: a police headquarters for an hour or so hour fifteen
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: minutes before they officially interrogated Oswald. This seems to me
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: like they unofficially talked to Oswald and Oswald gave him
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: some partial bullshit address.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: Very possible, sir, very possible, and then maybe realize as
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: the oh shit, maybe I'll give my real one now.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: But well when it's up and he knows because Hosty
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: knows Hosty had been to Bruce House at that point,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: remember he took the note. Yeah, yep, So once Hosty
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: is there, he probably knows. All right, Well, the gig's
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: up now.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: They know who the fuck I am and mm hmmm, no,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: that's that's a good point. You're right, I think you're right.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: Where and how committed four hundred block East tenth Street
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: with pistol. And so this is the report filed, it
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: says on the DPD website eleven twenty two. And again
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go back here, filed eleven twenty two.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: So Lavelle's writing it this that day, right, like the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: day of report. They have Brewer here can testify that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: he saw Oswald come into his store when a police
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: car came by, he was acting suspicious. He followed him
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: to the theater and told the cashier about her. She
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: called the police.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: Again, I'm sure, look, because I mean he's helpful to
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: the police, and we'll find out more here in a second.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: But I'm sure they got this guy's name and phone number,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: you know, we'll be in touch type of thing, and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: maybe have took maybe took a brief statement, you know,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: as to you know, I followed this guy here, whatever
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: the fuck. But they didn't actually officially bring him in
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: or interview him or have him do an affidavid until
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: the sixth.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: Right, But again, rob sixteen days for the person that
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: literally that's why he was arrested for allegedly shooting Tippet.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: Sixteen days to get an affidavit from them.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: Again, this guy's not going anywhere Oswald's dead at this time. Yeah,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: everything's you know up in limbo. Tip it's dead. They
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: got the guy that killed him, you know, I heard,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: I hear it over now they now they're going to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: their own pace once they figure out. Okay, well there's
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: gonna be a federal commission looking into.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: This, right man. Maybe maybe I thought the FBI would do.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: It, you know what I mean, but just you know, yeah,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: they did it, and then the guy comes in some
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: months later, you know, not just sixteen days. They came
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: in like two freaking months later.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And also note the Julia Postal can testify that
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: she is employed at the Texas Theater that she saw
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: a suspicious person duck into the theater. Did she know,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know, just after the shooting of Officer Tippet
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: that she called the police and saw the man later
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: identified as Oswalt brought from the theater. So well, that's
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: the same thing, all right, I'm gonna stop sharing this,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: uh and hand it over to you because that is
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: Brewer and uh, you know, one last thing on him,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: Oh shit, a twenty two year old kid can be
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: easily influenced under pressure. His warrant commissioned testimony is much
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: longer than Butch Burrows's, which when they don't tell him
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: the Warrant Commission what they want to hear exactly, And
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: we're going to get into that after we go through Postal.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: They cut him off right away. Oh, thank you for
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: your hope. Brewers is probably four or five times as long.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: So that's interesting as well.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's very I was looking up here, thank you, David,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: where Julia Posta was living, since had her address there.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: We'll get there. So before we get to Julia, I
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: wanted to bring up some things to something that I
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: found with Johnny Brewer, because this dude lived, like I said,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: until twenty twenty one, and he loved to talk about
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: this shit again another guy whose memory gets better with age.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: Different facts get added in to ship Uh who lived
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: at six twenty one North Marcellus. Hmm, I don't know
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: who you talking about, Sally mhm.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: Uh actually Rob before before you get the postal, I
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: have one more thing to share really quickly.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: And if I must, I must, I must increase my bust.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: I must. This is UH two thousand and eleven article
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: Dallas Police honor man who helped ned Lee or ve Oswald.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: Real quick, Joe, No, I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: never lived on Marsalas Street.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Ever, as far as I know, I don't think so either. No,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: I think other people did. I can't point. I can't
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: think of who did.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: But Massalis was like the next one over for Batten, right, No,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: I think it was closer to the Carosel Club. Again,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know Dallas. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure Oswald
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: never lived on Marsalis.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I just want to show you some propaganda
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: Mockingbird article here again November twenty third, So you're talking about,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: you know, the anniversary right essentially day after Dallas police
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: honored demand on Tuesdays who's quote, keen observation skills and
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: strong sense of civic duty led them to Lee Harvey Oswalt,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: who had crept into the back of a darkened movie
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: theater to hide. Shortly after the assassination, Police Chief David
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: Brown presented Johnny with the Department's Citizens Certificate of Merit
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: and Praise is selfless and Exemplary conduct forty eight one
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: year old, forty eight years ago during a ceremony at
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: the Texas Theater, the same place where Oswald was captured
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: about eighty minutes after Kennedy was killed. I'm just so overwhelmed,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Brewer seventy at the time, said, after receiving the award
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: and watching a video of his twenty two year old
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: self recounting the events of the day. Manager blah blah, blah.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: And all the same.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: But it's funny this, you know, that this dude, you know,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: getting articles written about him getting awards like it just
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: seems like weird to me. I don't know what's going
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: on with this dude. Oh what you got there?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: You're muda.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: An interview with Johnny Calvin Brewer by Ian Griggs from
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: Dally the UK fame and this was done in ninety six. Now,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: Ian Griggs is a former police officer, so he knows
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: how to question people and ask him questions. Okay, So
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: a couple of things stood out to me with this
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: interview that was done in nineteen ninety six, again by
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: Ian Griggs, who is from across the Pond, but like
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: I said, he's a former police officer.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, plauset UK.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: Right, Yes for the third time, yes, Ja, I'm sorry,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: pay attention.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at the comments and and Jack gives a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: really good comment here before you start. The FBI supposedly
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: goes to Oswalt's middle school principal, who is a Jay
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: Martin by the way, right, what, Yeah, to get his
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: high school records, and they don't interview the theater employees
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: for sixteen or fourteen and sixteen days.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, allegedly, well again, the FBI is trying to cover
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: their tracks to Oswald, right, but.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Beauregard Middle School. I believe it was called right, Yes, yeah, sorry,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: I thought that was a good comment. I'm sorry, sir,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: pray continue.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: Again. This is in nineteen ninety six. So he starts off,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: you know, you know, just how old were you? He's
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: twenty two blah blah blah, hardy shoe store he has,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: So you were in overall control of that shop, And
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: he says, right, so it means he was running the place.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: He's the manager, he's got the keys, YadA, YadA, YadA. Right.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: He said he had been there since August of sixty two,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: which is important here. In a second, he asked him
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: because in the Dallas Police Department inventory of Lee Harvey
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: Oswald's rooming house at ten twenty six North Beckley, there
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: is acquired a pair of Hardy shoes that Oswald owned.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: Like Hardy wasn't just the name of the store, Joe.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: They had a line of shoes that they made. Wow,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: like they were a small chain. M hmm. But they
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: made their own shoes, and Oswald had a pair.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: All right, So we might might have been telling the
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: truth when he said, I think I remember this guy
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: coming in at some point. Well, we'll get there, I said, Mike.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: Well again, memory gets better with age. Don't forget that
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: that's true. And he says, to your knowledge, was Lee
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: Harvey Oswald ever one of your customers, and now in
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: nineteen ninety six, yes, he was absolutely certain, Joe not
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: maybe might have. So that obviously means you've seen it.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: You had seen him in your shop before. Brewer says,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: at the time I saw him at the theater. Again,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: this guy's in his fucking store first, okay, But he says,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: by the time, I had seen him at the theater,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: and I don't think he ever got a close up
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: look at Oswald, closer than when he was in his
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: store while Oswald was in a dark theater. Okay, But
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: he says, after I saw this guy at the theater,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: I knew I had seen this guy before, and possibly
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: that's even why he got my attention, not the main
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: reason he got my attention. I didn't place him until
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know, it may have been a month before
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: I could even tell you the shoe he bought. It
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: was a two islet crape soled shoe model eight one
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: one zer other size eight and a half. So you
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: go from maybe I've seen this guy before to yes,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: I'm certain i've seen this guy before. He bought besides
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: eight and a half crape sold whatever the fuck you?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: That guy just said two islets, you know, whatever. Whatever.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: That's pretty specific to remember which exactly which shoes somebody
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: bought and what size it was, like, you.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: Know, I and I wonder if, because you know, Oswalt
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: was like a pack rap, right, he kept everything, like
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: every receipt and things like that. I wonder if that
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: was in it was belonging somewhere. What the receipt for
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: those shoes?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know. I can tell you is this okay,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: the shoes are commissioned Exhibit one to forty seven. If
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: you can find a picture of that joe, because I
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: want to look at these bad boys. I want to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: see what kind of kind of mileage they got on
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. There's a reason I'm asking
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: that question. So while he looks for that.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: Yep, man's black shoes. Although I don't have the link,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: I will find.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: It, Griggs, they asked him. Robert Groden has said, and
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: I don't know a source for this, that Oswald once
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: end in your shop, try it on almost every shoe
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: in the place, left without buying anything. Is there any
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: truth to that? He says, No, he bought. He was
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: very fastidious and meticulous or just a jerk. I'm not
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: quit quite sure which. And there was just this one occasion,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: he said, yeah, just one occasion. Like I said, I
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: didn't have a clue who he was, just another sale.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: Certain customers stand out in your mind and you try
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: to avoid them the next time you see him coming.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: But sometimes you're the only motherfucker working in the shoe store, Johnny,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: and you don't have a choice but to fucking help,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: you know, help him. Okay, I got it all right,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: pop it up on the screen here. I want to
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: see these bad.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: Boys, all right. Let me figure it out, as I
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: have a million tams A thing.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Yea, and go.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: Don't don't rush me, Bra and yo, don't rush me, Bra.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: Can you get any clothing?
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: I'm a close circuit. I got can I get That's
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: what That's what she said. Now, Jay, look they look
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: a little worn.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they look a little worn for sure. I mean
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: they're busted out, kind of in the middle of not
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: busted out, but they're they're kind of loose in the middle,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: if you will.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: The obviously they were slip on and slip off. I'm
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: sure he didn't retime every time he put him on.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: No, but you could see like the wear on the
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: right side here.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: And of course this is allegedly supposed to all this
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: wear and tear allegedly supposed to have been done month.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: Does that say hardy right there? That each Yeah? Okay,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: right here the shoes, yeah okay.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: Now, in the month prior to November twenty second, nineteen
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: sixty three. Yeah, in the month prior to nineteen or
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, Oswald was living at
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: the rooming house on North Beckley, right, and he was
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: working at the school book Depository. Now, according to most
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: of if not all, of witness testimony, that was living
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: at the ten twenty six North Beckley in his rooming house.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: That Oswald didn't go out much in the evenings. He
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: would come home after work and go in his room
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: watch TV or something occasionally and acts weird and all that.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: But so it wasn't like he was going out in
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: the town every night, you know, tearing up the dance
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: floor or walking anywhere.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: Right, his typing class was back in April, Yeah, so
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: that would be irrelevant.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: You're not gonna wear this type of shoe to work
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: in the school book warehouse, right, These are not going
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: to be your shoes to do that in. I mean,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: you're not gonna like get some fancy dress shoes and
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: wear them to uh, to go work in the warehouse.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: You're gonna wear some old skafuza shoes, you know what
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, something comfortable because you're on your feet, you're
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: walking all day, you're going upstairs downstairs. You know you're
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: gonna want something comfortable. So it's not like he wore
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: these to work, so and he didn't wear them after
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: work walking anywhere whatever. If he had any shoes on
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: and his house, you know they're not gonna get to
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: kind of wear and tear that these things have. So
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: that's a little suspect to me, Joe that that threw
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: a big red flag up to me. I don't know, h.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: Let's see.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: Then he narrows it down a little bit. He says,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: how long before the assassination was that? Can you remember
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: exactly when he came in to get these shoes? He
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: says that I cannot remember.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: I do not know.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: It was probably only a matter of weeks, but again
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: it could have been months. I'm not sure. Again, Oswald
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: didn't come back to Dallas until October, Yeah, early October. Yeah,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: and his first order of business would would probably not
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: go get a nice pair of dress shoes from the
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: Hardy shoe store. Yeah, it wasn't working.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: Yet, Yeah, telling his frugal nature.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: I was, you know, he's staying at the y m
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: c A. He was staying at the SKA uh, the
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: other rooming house right with the old lady first for
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: a week, and then he goes to Beckley blood Sell. Yeah,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: blood cell was Bloodshoe's rooming house on Marcellus.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: Who let me chuck.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: But again, these shoes look like they've got they are
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: older and have more wear and tear. It seems to
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: me like Brewer just saw this guy a pair of
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: hardy shoes in his inventory and took credit for selling
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: him to him. You know what I mean, at least
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: as to me what it appears to be. Much like
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: in the other in the same picture, there's a pair
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: of flip flops that Judas Baker takes credit for buying
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: Lee Oswald. Okay, so these things can be co opted.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: Doesn't mean anything. But what it does say is if
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: if you can prove that Oswald didn't didn't it.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: Was six twenty one North marsalas well, there you go.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: So he gave them that address first, No, he.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: Gave them ten twenty six, which is part of the
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: Beckley address, and he gave them Marsalis, which is part
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: of the Marsalis address. He merged both rooming houses together
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: and gave a fictitious address of ten twenty six North Marcellus,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: which is interesting. Now, if you can prove that Johnny
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: Brewer is lying about selling Oswald's shoes.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: He did. You're right, I just went back to the slide.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: You're right he merged them. Yeah. Wow.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: If you can prove Johnny Brewer has been lying about
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: selling Oswald's shoes, and that means Johnny Brewer is a
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: liar and cannot be trusted about anything he has to say,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: at least to me. If you're going to take credit
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: for selling this guy's shoes, it's obviously been all scoffed
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: up and look to me to at least be a
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: couple of years old. Then you're a liar, bro and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: I can't trust what you got to say. So and
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: then he goes on, you know, and you know, cars
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: was zipping up and down the street, blah blah blah.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: All right, officer has just been killed.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: Yep, He asked him specifically. Can you remember when you
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: heard about the tip of killing, the shooting of the policeman.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: He says, I've never really thought about that.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, wait, didn't we just read his warm commissioned
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: testimony where he said he heard about it on his
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: transistor radio.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: Dude, this is odd, this is odd, he says. Greg says,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: but at the time there was no connection between Kennedy
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: and Tippett, and Brewer says, not that I know. Greg says, fine,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: was there? If you can recall any description of the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: suspect and either of the killing is given out on
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: the radio, Brewer said, in the shooting, I'm pretty sure
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: it was the shooting. A description of a shooter.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: You know it was.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: I don't recall if they said white or black, but
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: I do recall a male five to nine, medium size build.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: There was no description of clothing. Grig says, I understand now,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: I know the layout of the shop, the way the
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: door was recessed, and the display panels on the sides.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: Now you're count on your your counter and your location.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: Would that be facing the door on the side, and
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: we saw that from the news footage, right, blah blah blah,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: So pretty awkward if you you know, if you're Lee,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: Harvey Oswald, right or whoever this person was that dipped
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: into the Hardy shoe store and it's standing there with
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: your back turned looking at shoes, pretending to look at shoes,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: and you hear on the radio behind you, you know,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: a description of a shooting suspect that kind of matches
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: your description, and Skafooz is standing there looking at you,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: listening to the radio, thinking, this guy looks like the description.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: Awkward moment there probably if it actually happened, which we
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: don't know. Let's see now, Brewers says that there were
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: two other guys in the Hardy Shoe store at this time,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: and he says they worked at IBM. They were in
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: the neighborhood. I had known them ever since I came there. Customers, No,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: they want customers. They just come in and kill time
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: and lounge around.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: Interesting. I don't remember him mentioning that during his warrant
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: commission testimony that I ever read today.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: So apparently two guys that worked at at IBM close by,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: which I'm guessing was a copy or place or somewhere.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think the IBM had a factory down.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but these couple guys like to go
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: hang out in the Hardy Shoe Store and not buy nothing,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: just hang out and smell the smell the leather feet.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: I don't know what the fuck's going on in here.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: It is a good smell of the leather. I will
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: say that a fresh leather smell come on.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: More of a stench coming out of that leather shoe.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, Oh, I'm talking about new shoes. Yeah, okay, I'm.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: Thinking about the smell of like how David Fairy's feet
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: would smell if he'd been wearing these shoes all day,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: right right? Interesting, but yeah, he says, Uh, they weren't customers.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: They just come in and kill time and lounge around,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: kind of like Oswald at the Crescent City Garage.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: Exactly right, Alba, Yeah, he says.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: Were there any other salesman in the shop apart from you?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: He says, no, they were not. In fact, I planned
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: to be off that day, but my assistant called me in.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: He bought a car. His newborn was ill, and I
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: had just and I had just taken delivery of a
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: brand new sixty four Ford Galaxy CL five hundred being
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: worked that day.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: Let me say, what is it again?
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: This is a bad ass car. Actually, a sixty four
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: Ford Galaxy CL five hundred. This was what we call
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: folks a pussy magnet back in the day, or a
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: dick magnet. Yeah, I'm going every was on and you
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: know whatever. Yeah, pull up a picture that Ford Galaxy.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: But I only know this because a bloody of had
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: a silver one growing up with a black convertible top.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I believe he said this in his Warren
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: Commission testimony or or or something. I believe it was
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: his Warren Commission testimony. So yeah, I mean, bro, this
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: is a this is a sweet car right here, Yes,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: look at that. That don't make them when they silver one.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: With a black convertible top. I mean, sharp, man.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: Oh he had a convertible top on it. Let me see.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: Oh you're a friended Okay.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they made him with the convertible tops for sure.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: Is this one? Oh yeah, I think this is a
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: convertible top, right yeah, but not silver of course, but yeah.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, pretty cool. So he Johnny Brewer just bought
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: this sweet car. He's doing obviously doing well at the shoest.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean. I told you they were
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: prestigious jobs back in the day. Yeah, it wasn't just
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: a skufuza working in a shoe store like you have now, right, Yeah,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: And he says, these guys, he said, my car was
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: parked out front so I could keep an eye on it,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: and I was feeding nickels into the parking meter all
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: day long, just waiting to get off so I could
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: drive it.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: Didn't want I got a ticket on the first day.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: You got it, And you guys from my IBM just
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: stood around and talked. And he says, now your attention
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: is alerted to this character who's acting furtively in your
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: doorway as the police cars are going by. I correct,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: He says, of course, my attention is drawn out because
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: of the sirens and the police cars going by, and
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: knowing of the shooting in the area. And I was
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: actually on my way to come out from behind the
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: counter to go outside so I could see what the
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: hell's going on when this fellow entered from my left
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: as I'm standing there.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: Ah.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: Now that's important because I've never seen anywhere in any
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: book which direction he's come from. He's come from the
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: Zang's Boulevard direction, which is the intersection. He walked into
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: the recessed area and stood and we were looking at
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: each other. And actually I was a little annoyed because
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: I thought it was someone coming in as I was
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: fixing to go out. And then when the police had
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: gone by, and he looked over his shoulder and then
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: walked out on the sidewalk again looked, and then walked
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 5: quietly but calmly, and I stood there. It could have
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: been more than five seconds. And Greg says, and he's
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: walking in which direction now towards the theater. And he says,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: in your testimony, you said he looked funny. Those are
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: the actual words you use. Can you expand on that
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: at all? Looked funny? What does that mean? He says, Well,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: he obviously wasn't looking for shoes. And then he says,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: when you left the shop to see what this chap
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: was doing, did you mention anything to the other two
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: scuffuses who were in your shop?
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: Yes, I think I said something like Uh. Well, he says,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: I think I said something, and I walked out onto
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: the sidewalk. Uh, hey, guys, watch the store.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: I'll be back.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: I'm chasing a suspect.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, watch over the cast register. Yeah.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: So then uh, he said, he's he called him again
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: as he's walking in front of Thompson's Furniture store, which
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: is down the street a peace closer to the Texas Theater.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: He says, he was right there in that area when
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: I picked him. When I picked up again and saw him,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 5: and he said, Now you were suspicious because of his
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: appearance and the fact that he'd been in the recess
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: of your shop for what appeared to be reasons of concealments?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: Is that correct? Brewis as well? And also, why wasn't
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: he interested in all the police cars? Going by as
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: everyone else was. Everyone was out on the street looking
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: like right now, if a police car came by, we'd
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: all be out there looking. That's the way it is.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: So that kind of struck me. His eye he's looking
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: at shoes instead of looking at the police cars. So
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: that's why you stepped out of the store and looked.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: And he's walking down by Thompson's Furniture store and he's
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: still walking. Uh huh, Okay, now I understand. He then
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: entered the Texas Theater. Brewer says, right, I saw him
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: go in. Okay, and from your vantage point, you see
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: that he went in without buying a ticket. Brewer says, well,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: you could see the cashier's booth which was out on
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: the sidewalk. Not really, but okay, really, yeah, let's take
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: a look at that real quick. I've got a picture here.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: You really can't see, uh, because it goes back and
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: recessed back. Right, So if you're standing, say in front
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: of the shoe store parties, it would be extremely hard
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: to tell.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: If he ducked in or not or paid or if
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 5: even if you're on the sidewalk, but you couldn't tell,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: you'd have to get up far close enough to have
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: the right angle to see into that recessed area of
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: the building.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: Exactly. Yeah, I meant like say, he just like stepped
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: outside of his shop a couple steps. You know, the
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: angle doesn't work.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: Right, he says. I didn't really know for sure whether
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: or not he bought a ticket. I saw him walk in,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 5: and that's when I went back. And I can't remember
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: either of their names, but one of them closed up
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: for me while I was gone. When I came back,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: the store was locked. I said, I'm going to check.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: So this is the first time he's ever said this,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: that he went down. He followed Oswald down to the
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: So I'm going to Texas Theater. Then he turns around
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: and goes back to a shop. But in the meantime,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: these two scuffooss to work at IBM have took it
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: upon themselves to lock up his shop.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's close up for you, because you walked a
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: couple feet unbelievable.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: That's not weird.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: That is so weird.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: So he let he sees Oswald go in. Then he
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: goes back to his shop, talks to these guys for
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: a minute, locks up his shop. I don't know if
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: they're still there. But then he goes back to the
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: Texas Theater. So you have time passing here.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, And he can't remember their names.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: Right, right, but they hung out there all the time
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: and get running down the street.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: Ovey.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: So then he says, when I came back, the store
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: was locked. I said, I'm going to check. Greg says,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: you got a feeling all was not right, and Brewer
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: says right. So they stayed there and I walked back
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: up to the Texas Theater all the time thinking what
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: am I doing here? And I saw Julie out on
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: the dot dot dot. Okay, remember Julie m hm, a
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: woman who is pushing forty to a twenty two year
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: old Johnny Calvin Brewer, she is not missus Postal. She's Julie,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: not Julia, Julie the weird.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: Hellotle bit.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: He says, now you, Greg says, now you need Julia Postal,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: didn't you? What did you say to her? He says,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: I said, Julie, did you sell a ticket? And I
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: gave her a description of the guy. She said no,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: she hadn't, she'd been out on the street watching. And
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: I said, Julie, I'm going to go inside and see
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: if I can see him. There's something funny going on.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: So he didn't pay either. For the record, he.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: Said, yeah. I walked inside Butch Burrows, he was a
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: concessionaire and ticket taker and whatever else. And I asked
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: Butch if he'd seen anybody in the theater and he
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: said no, but he'd been down behind the counter stocking
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: concessions or whatever. He had not seen anybody. And I said, Butch,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: come on with me, and we went up to the balcony,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: and using the screen as a backlight, we could see
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: that there were no heads up there. So the balcony
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: was totally empty, Grace says, and Brewers says, yes, right.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: Because there's only fifteen twenty people I guess seeing that movie, right,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: And of course they lost the manifest list of who
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: was there, right, So unless you were like trying to
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: smoke a sig upstairs, not be bothered or get a
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: better view, like, there's no reason to not sit downstairs,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: right in theory. So yeah, Jane, Timothy Ryan, all this
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: stinks to high heaven. Yeah, I can't agree. We're not
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: even halfway there yet, We're not, and we're an hour're
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: forty in, are we? Yeah?
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: We're an hour forty in.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, time flies, or you're having fun?
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: What the hell happened?
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: Hey, I remembers only was like two forty Oh my
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: god the other day.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: All right, well, I'll better speed this up then, because
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: we'll never get done boozing around them through this bullshit.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: So maybe we're we'll say, the Johnny Calvin Brewer Interview
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: for members only.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're going to get to butch uh.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we still got to get to Julian Butch. So
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: let's I mean, we know that Julia Postal story, right.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: The interesting thing with Julia Postal is not necessarily whether
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: or not she sold Oswalla ticket. I mean, at this
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: point she's either lying or she's not. She says she didn't,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: but she also didn't see him sneak in the theater.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: He would have had to walk literally right by her.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, you would notice unless you have your head
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 5: down on.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: And listen. There's no fing iPhone where you're like doom
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: scrolling and like on TikTok or something like that and
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: like not paying attention, right, even if you're listening to
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: a radio, you know what I mean.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: And again, by the time they talk to these people,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: by the time they took Julia Postals AffA David. You
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: know it is December fourth. December fourth, yeah, December fourth,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: Julia Postals Alfa David. These people who knew each other intimately,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 5: and by intimately I mean on a first name basis.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: Joe he knows, Butch he knows Julie. They know him.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: They had time to talk to get their story straight
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 5: and figure things out.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: But he doesn't know the Skafuzas who helped.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: Used to hang out in his shop all day, rubbing
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: each other's feet.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: You know. Unbelievable, man.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: You can't make this shit up. Now. Interestingly enough, Joe
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: Julie Postal was married two I believe Lawrence Postal Okay, okay,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: Now I'm gonna pop this up here real quick. Lawrence Postal.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 8: Is from.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: New York. He's at heart, okay, but he was born
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: in nineteen ten, which was fourteen years before Julie Postal,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: so he is fourteen years her senior at the time
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: that they get married. Okay, Now they meet in California.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 5: At the time, Lawrence Townshend post is living in Los
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: Angeles and he is working at the Paramount Theater. On
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: three twenty three, West sixth Street, Los Angeles, California. Okay,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: so he is a theater worker.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm, which kind of which makes sense? Right? Well,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: theater theater workers kind of meeting each other, I guess
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but at this time he was married, not to
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: Julie or Julia, missus Irene Susan Postal. Okay, uh huh,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: I see this, So mister Lawrence Townsend Postal uh was
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: married before he got with Julie sweet young Newbile Julie.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: Hey, I will say this, I do not blame mister
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: Lawrence said there she is dope even at thirty nine,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: as we see. I mean, damn, and I'm thirty nine.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 5: Damn. It's crazy. So I wanted to pull up something
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: here real quick. So I've got Ironically, I have Lawrence
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: Postals tombstone as well. Now old lt Is I'll call
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: them from here on out. Didn't last too much longer
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: past the nineteen sixty three there you see passway July
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: twenty first, nineteen and sixty nine, at the young age
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: of fifty nine. Right.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: World War Two veteran.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what is that?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: United States National Reserve? I don't know, regiment to naval yeah.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, but yeah,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: he was a World War two vet. In fact, that
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: which I just showed you is his uh his registration card.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and looked like one.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah for the uh. Yeah.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: And by the way, thirty years old is very long
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: in the tooth. I mean to get into World War two,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: Back then they were desperate, all hands on man.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: That is true, that is true, but still long in
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: the tooth.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: Yes. What's interesting is that this guy Lt was her
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: first husband, okay, and only husband. She did not remarry
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: after his death in nineteen sixty nine. With Lt. Postal,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: she had four children, three daughters Michelle, Susan and Cheryl,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: and one son, Michael. She also went on to have
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: many many grandchildren.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: Julie Postal passed away in nineteen ninety five at the
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: age of seventy one.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: Come on, Sally.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: She was a member of Saint Paul's United Methodist Church,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: Joe and the Pink Ladies Auxiliary at Matta Gorda, The
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: Pink Ladies, and she had Jack to prove it, baby ladies.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: And yes, Joline, we are going to get there very shortly.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: To borrows trust us.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: All right, here we have the marriage announcement Miss Irene
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: Simpson and Lawrence Postal, both residents of San Jose, was
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: solemnized at four o'clock yesterday afternoon at the home of
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: Reverend and Missus Paul Offenheiser in Southgate. Missus Paul Postal
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: Chary is a former resident of Indiana, and her husband,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: who is assistant manager of the California West Coast Theater
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: in San Jose, as a former New york Man. And
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: this is from nineteen thirty when he married his first wife. Okay, interesting,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: And then we have some skaffuserie going on, Joe, don't
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: we all ask? We have some SKAFFOOSERI So Shirley Martin.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: Right right, the researcher YEP.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: In the old Wiseburg and archives. And you know she was.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: She was writing Harold Weisberg frequently, keeping him abreast of
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: her research, if you will. And she found something pretty
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: interesting on old lt.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: I'm breast. What did she find?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: Well? Old seems to the old Lawrence. Okay, I see.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: What intelligence community?
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: What the fuck are you talking about?
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: Was Lawrence an intelligence No? Okay, that was my guess.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: Sorry, quite the opposite. He was a criminal, wanted for embezzlement.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: Actually I don't know where he was working in Dallas
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: at the time, but he was wanted for embezzlement and
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 5: went on the lamb, left Julie and the kids and
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: said see you piece out, fuck you find me, did
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: he right?
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: Four kids? Right?
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah? And this was pre assassination, but not by long.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: So a couple months before the assassination, lt wanted for
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: embezzlement under investigation, dips on her and the kids.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: He sounds like a good guy like that.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, great guy, great guy. So I came across, like
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: I said, Shirley Martin, right, she sends this little something
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: something to Harold Weisberger, says Julie Postal's husband, agains Julie
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: is still under the hand of the Dallas police for embezzlement.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: Buddy Walters told me he had to go to Florida
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: to bring Postal back to Dallas. This was before the assassination.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 5: This is Julie's pressure point. In my dealings with her,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: I found a terribly frightened woman, frightened of displeasing the
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: Dallas police.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: Wow, okay, hold on, you're talking about they brought Julie back,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: not Lawrence.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: No, they brought Lawrence back, got it. Okay, I just
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: want to make sure Julie never left. She's there with
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: the kids. Yeah, lt left, got it, and Buddy Walters
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: had to go to Florida to arrest him or to
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 5: bring him back. I guess he got arrested in Florida
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: for some reason or picked up in Florida, and so
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: they called Dallas County Sheriffs and they sent Buddy Walters
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: to bring him back.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: Which, by the way, means that there's some type of
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: leverage there.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly exactly, That's exactly what that means, exactly. And
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: then it goes on. She surely says, Butch Burrows told
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: me that Brewer's story of Oswald dashing into his fourier
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: to hide was absurd. Now again, let me read that again.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: Butch Burrows DOESUSA at the Texas Theater.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: The Concession Skuza, which we'll get on too shortly.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: Old Shirley Martin that Brewer's story of Oswald dashing into
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: his fourier to hide was absurd. According to Burrows, Brewer
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: changed his story from the original version, which, as he
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: told Burrows, had Oswald browsing in front of Brewer's shoe
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: display not too unlikely, as both Lee and Marina were
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: involved in a discussion that evening over buying a new
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: pair of shoes for Juni, which he also mentioned to
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: Robert Oswald when he visited him in the Dallas jail.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: Did they sell kids shoes? Sure they did, Okay, I
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: don't know what. It looked like a business type of shoes.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: But anyway, they're trying to give Oswald a reason for
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: being in the right, which, you know, whatever the fuck?
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 5: You know what?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but I'm with you.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: What's more interesting to me is lt being a criminal
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: now head Like when he passed away in uh his
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: cause of death was listed as a coronary occlusion whatever
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: that is.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: I have no idea.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know what that is. But at this time,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: missus Julia Postal is listed as the wife and the informant,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: so she is the one. I guess he died at
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: home and she had to call nine to one one.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: Oh she found it.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: Somebody had one one yeah, yeah, from them.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: She's good at that, thank you, James. Nice. Fine, let's
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: explain a lot.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: It's a lot, so real quick. You want to see
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: the Postal residence I did, Oh yeah, give it to
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: all these fucking kids, and we're living.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: Is it better or worse than a rest pena's place
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: we showed on members only. I think I know the answer.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: It's worse. I figured that it's a shithole. I mean,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: it's cufous a heaven. I mean it's a little boxy house, right,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, if this is what it looks like now
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: it I mean it might have looked decent in nineteen
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: sixty three, but it's still a tiny, little ship box house,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 5: you know. And when you got six people living in
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: a house this size, it gets created.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if there were three bedrooms in there.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 9: There's probably one or two one bathroom, right, a two
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 9: bad two bedroom, one bad house, right, right. That's an
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 9: air conditioner in every window, no central heat or or
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 9: central cooling.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: Well that's now right, Yeah, yeah, Okay, what.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 5: You can imagine it was like back then? Definitely nothing.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: Definitely no air conditioning back then. I guarantee you that.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, we're talking. This is a tiny little dude,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 5: you know, like that's yeah, look at that. You know,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: it's not very deep, is what I'm trying to say,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: Which that's what she said. You know, so we're I mean,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: there's a there's a lot of little ship box houses
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: around here. Yeah, that one's kind of nice.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Up, they have fences, at.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: Least royal royal fences. Yeah, that one's they're painted blue
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: on that one. But these of gold. Oh wow, See
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: how the roof kind of bows down in the middle.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's structural damage there for sure.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 5: Look all the cameras on.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 4: The man even know what's gonna go? What's going on there?
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 5: Obviously we're in a bad part of town here, folks. Yeah,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 5: obviously severs right.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: But again it points to someone who could.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: Be Look at that we on tire there, that's kind
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 5: of fun. It's flat, there's two of them. There's two
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: of them, and there's two gas tank doors.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: That has to be that has to be.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: Uh is this ai we're looking at here for I
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: don't know, I've never seen that before in my life.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: And that one looks normal. It's whole cop car. Let's
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: get down the street here and see what. Oh look,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: Texas Areola's they sell nipples in Texas and Ariola's body shop.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. Yeah, and this is like today you
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: know what.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 5: An areola is, don't you, Joe. That's the area around
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: your nipple. I did not know. You did not know that, truly,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: that is the area around your nipple.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, thank you. I learned something new today.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: Across so bite. Just let your sow. Oh my god,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: what else we got going on here? Looking? Body shop
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: has autumn? Yeah, this looks a little a little sketchy.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: We're it's still in the hood.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: Here, yeah, look at yeah, look at here.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously an old gas station with no more gas. Yeah.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 5: So that's the corner of Severs and Saner. Oh man,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure if this is Oakcliffe. I don't know,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: but uh.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it might have been Irving. I either oak Cliffe
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: or Irving. I think it's one of those two.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. Without you know, of course, going
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 5: back out Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly where the hell we
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 5: are here? But yeah, I don't know. No, it's it's
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: definitely an oak Cliff. It's a Sayer apparently intersects with
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: Beckley and Marsalis at some point. Huh. Interesting, So she
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: lived close by, basically not out of the realm of possibility. Now,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 5: the last thing I have and then I'll give it
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: back to you, Joe Okay is from Bill Simpitchu's State
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: secret Okay, yep. He puts the time of Tippet's death
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 5: at one oh nine, roughly according to all an amalgamation
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 5: of all the evidence, Okay. Oswald has not yet been
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 5: identified as a suspect because the shells were not found
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 5: until one twelve. He's talking about up in the sixth floor,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: right right. That's about when the shells were found. Even
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 5: after the rifle was found a little later, nobody was
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: able to tie the gun or shells to Oswald until
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: early the next morning, after going Decline Sporting Goods in Chicago,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 5: where quote Alex Hydell had mail ordered the man look
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 5: or Carkano found on the sixth floor that apparently shot
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 5: the shells, says. By round one pm, Oswald reaches home
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 5: in Oak Cliff, changed his clothes, grabbed his revolver, and
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 5: went back out the door. A police car beaped outside
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 5: Oswald's home shortly before he left. The distance from Oswald's
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 5: house to the theater was about a mile, which is
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 5: roughly three minutes if he got a ride, fifteen minutes
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: if he's on foot. It was roughly the same calculus
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 5: of Oswald headed towards the Tippic crime scene. I think
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: it's more likely. He says that Oswald went straight to
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 5: the Texas Theater and was never at the Tippic crime
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 5: scene because Butch Burrows, the concessions employee for decades, told
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 5: Jim Mars in nineteen eighty seven that he sold Oswald
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 5: popcorn around one fifteen PM. Now, of course Burrows doesn't
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: mention this in his Warren Commission testimony, But we know
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 5: how Warren Commission testimony goes Joe. Yes, you don't offer
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 5: up any information, and you only answer the questions that
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 5: they ask. You not go off script or that's it right, right.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: And the lawyers know exactly what to ask, and when
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: you go off script they changed the subject.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 5: Yes, so you know you can't be selling Oswalt popcorn
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: at one fifteen He's supposed to be over there killing
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 5: Tippet right at this time. Dale Myers challenged Burrows, saying
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 5: that he told the Warren Commission that he didn't see
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: Oswald slipping to the theater. He also didn't mention selling
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: popcorn to Oswald. But Myers missed the point. Ticket take
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 5: a Julia Postal quoted Burrows is saying, well, I saw
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 5: him coming out, presumably when Oswald bought the popcorn. Burrows
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 5: was never asked by the Warren Commission if he saw
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 5: Oswald prior to the police hunt. Again, very specific questioning
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 5: of the buy. The Warren Commission of these witnesses.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: Yep, I have some slides on that. A couple of minutes.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 5: He goes on to say Burrows didn't have much dob
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 5: for the Warrent Commission. It would be good to find
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 5: out how he was prepared for his questioning. Although he
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 5: did hear from the shoe store owner down the street
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 5: that someone had slipped into the theater without paying this
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: someone may have done it precisely to draw attention to Oswald.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 5: Burrows didn't know who it was, but believed that anyone
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 5: who did that had gone straight up the stairs to
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 5: the balcony, because otherwise he would have had the right
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 5: angle to see who it was. Oswald was arrested on
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 5: the ground floor. He told the commission, I hope I
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 5: helped you some, and the response was merely, yes, I
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 5: hope you did too. Burrows also told Mars that Julia
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 5: postal knew that she sold Oswald a ticket earlier that day,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 5: but didn't want to admit it. She moved away from
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 5: Dallas to escape questioning on the subject and her skufuz
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 5: A husband. Apparently, when ms Postal was asked by researcher
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 5: Joan Harris if she realized, upon seeing Oswald's face that
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 5: she might have sold him a ticket, she burst into tears.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 5: This is the this is the whole tears story right
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 5: that we can or cannot corroborate. But yeah, there are
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 5: some other things here, but I'll hand it back to
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 5: Joe and we'll get there. We'll get there.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, So as Jolene has been anxiously awaiting, let's talk
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 4: about Warren quote Butch Burrows, the Brews, the Brews, I
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 4: like to Bruise, assistant manager of the Texas Theater and
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 4: Ocliff John Brewer, the manager of Hardy's Shoe Store, saw
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 4: a man acting strangely. Blah blah went over that. Brewer
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 4: went to the theater and spoke to Burrows about the
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 4: suspicious character Burrows that seen him enter the balcony of
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 4: the theater. When the police arrived to Brewer accompanied the
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 4: officers into the seminars from Spartacus, where he pointed out
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 4: the Mandian seen acting in the suspicious manner. After a
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: brief struggle, Oswalt was arrested. Burrows claimed that Oswald endured
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: the Texas Theater just after one pm. He also testified
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 4: that Oswalt came downstairs and purchased some popcorn at one
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: point fifteen. You just mentioned this, So let's go to
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: Butcher's warrant commission testimony. Were you living the Army? No, sir.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: They tried to get me, but I couldn't pass. I
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: passed the physical part. Am I sharing this?
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: I passed the physical part, but not the mental part. AKA,
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 4: he had some mischies. Not that I'm hating, but I
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: didn't make enough points on this.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 5: Or would Joe have passed the mental part?
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 4: Doubtful? So the board sent me a card back and
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: classifying me different. On November twenty second, you were working
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: at Texas Theater. Yes, sir, Did you see that man
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 4: coming into the theater? No? Sorry I didn't. Did you
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 4: have any idea what you were doing when he came in? Well,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 4: I was. I had a lot of stock candy to
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 4: count and put in the candy case for the coming night.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 4: And if he had came in and again it says
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: like one two o'clock. So I'm not sure why he's
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 4: doing that for the coming night. But again his mental issues.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 4: And if he had came around in front of the
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 4: concession out there, I would have seen him, even though
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 4: I was bent down.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 5: Whatever that.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: Maybe bent down like stalking the shelves, right, I would
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: have seen him. But otherwise I think he sneaked up
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 4: the stairs real quick fast up to the balcony. Yes, sir,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 4: I think he was up there.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 5: But again, even if he's bent down stocking the candy case,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 5: they generally have a glass front. Am I wrong?
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: Joe?
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 5: You are not that you can still see through? Well,
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 5: you have to to choose your candy, right, and if
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 5: you're in the back of it stocking it, you can
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 5: probably see out through in front of it, I'm guessing.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I had two of my best friends work at
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: a movie theater in the town next over, and I
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 4: like lived at that. Uh that the candy stand if
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 4: you will, and uh free popcorn, all that good stuff.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: So yes, one, you have to see it. Yeah. Was
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: he handcuffed Oswald? Yes, Burrow says, whereas hands behind him
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: are in front of him, they were behind him. Did
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: you ever see a police officer strike Kim Burrows? No?
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 4: So is this McDonald's story bullshit? Might be I don't know.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 4: Did you see a police officer with his arm around
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 4: the neck of this man who arrested him? I don't believe. So.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 4: Did you ever see a police officer strike this man.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 5: With the butt.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 4: Of a shotgun? So again, mister Ball here, Joseph Ball, No, sir,
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 4: Burrow says, but he's asking about a shotgun, right, not
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 4: a pistol? Do you see here? I'm getting at here?
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 4: Like they they formed the they formed the questions to
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: get the right answers. Were any of the officers in
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 4: the theater armed with shotguns? No, sir, I don't believe so.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 4: I think that's all. And that after he gives answers
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 4: that they don't like, that's all, mister Burrows. And again
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 4: it's like two pages, whereas Brewers is like ten or something.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know, And this will be written up. I
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 4: want you to come down and sign it.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 4: He wants to sign a statement, blah blah blah. So uh,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 4: let's now look at an interview from Burrows.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: Which is vetty interesting. If I could ever get it up,
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: if I could ever get it up upon attending. I
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: think I think Ferry would have liked me.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 5: I think he would have too.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 4: So this is a mister Butch Burrows. I don't know
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 4: when this was the menu.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 5: K Kennedy, okay, oh it will be the eighties. But
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 5: there's playing alone at home. I can't hear it. I
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 5: can't hear it, Joe, you can't hear it.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: Wave, I don't know why. Let me refresh it.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know why either, but yeah, I definitely could
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 5: not hear it.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 4: All right, Well, the sound is all the way up,
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: so let's do take two. If not, i'll change browsers.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 4: But all right, can you hear it now?
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 5: I can't see it? What I can't see it? But yeah,
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 5: I can hear it.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, because I didn't share, because I'm an idiot.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 5: And take three?
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 4: Take three?
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 5: Now I can't hear it. What I can't hear it.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know why.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know either.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 4: All right, just just you know what, let me uh,
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 4: let me uh, let me switch browsers.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 5: Here like a vaulta brin.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on here.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, a police off. A policeman hit me.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 4: A policeman hit me. All right, let's go to this.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 5: Can't hear it? Mm hmm, can't hear it?
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. All right, I'm gonna. I'm just gonna play
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: it through my thing, my jig, through my.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 5: Trump playing it now and Trump playing it now.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 4: Because I I literally have just been doing the same
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 4: thing I've been doing.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 5: Like I just hear the audio parts thirty seconds. We
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 5: don't need to see him.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 5: Two movies now, I can't hear it either. Damn.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna goddamn.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 4: There, I got it. Don't worry. So this is you
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 4: can see him? Right?
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 5: No, No, I can add him to the scene.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 4: All right, maybe maybe this will work now. Sorry, I
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 4: don't know what's happening. It's weird. Nope, no, nope, all right,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it for my phone. But I'm gonna
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 4: put a scaffoosa face back on.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 8: There were paying two movies, Nicole, uh, world as hell.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 8: They don't even murder Pain five Battle was ten and
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 8: a half, and he turned the movie at Monacott and
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 8: now it was Ken and Candy bend the candy case.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 8: And he also slipped in around between one and.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 4: One seven. He said Oswald slipped in around one to
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 4: one o seven.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 5: And if that's true, he definitely connot have shot tippet right.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: And he like what you read from State Secret that
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 4: would indicate he probably went right to the Texas.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 5: Theater right and either got a ride there or walked.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: Correct. So I'm sorry about that. I don't know what
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 4: happened who, but uh, one to one oh seven, I
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 4: mean that's not even close.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, way early, way early.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 4: And of course he's a little you know, mentally not there,
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 4: I guess according to the Army, so but so who
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 4: knows what you could take that for. But I guess
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 4: our whole point here is that none of the timing
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 4: works up, none of the testimonies really line up, and
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 4: they took a really long time to interview these people here.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 4: And I don't know, man, I just know there's a
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 4: lot of skuffoosery happening here with with Ozma and the
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 4: timing of the tip of shooting his entrance into the theater,
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 4: allegedly the Oswald double. And I saw Jack said something
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 4: earlier about Harvey and Lee. I'm not touching that one,
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 4: but uh uh yeah, man, crazy crazy stuff going on
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: with these three people.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you want to hear some other crazy shit
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 5: always don't.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 4: You don't have to ask me.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 5: You're gonna love this. So apparently Johnny Calvin Brewer knew
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 5: Jack Ruby. Okay, he also was friendly with some Dallas
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 5: police officers. How well, let's just say this.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 4: He lived.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 5: In the same apartment building as Carousel Club stripper Kathy
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 5: k and knew her and her two young daughters. That
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 5: is to say, she was dating one Harry Olsen, yes Dallas.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 4: Who was I believe at the Carrolsel Club on Saturday night, right.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 5: Yep, talking to Jack Ruby in the car for three hours,
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 5: which is interesting. And oh, by the way, Johnny Calvin
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 5: Johnny Calvin Brewer also knew his buddy Nick McDonald, who
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 5: just happened to be the guy that took Oswald down. Right.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 4: Wow, it's just crazy to me that Burrows and his
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 4: warrant commissioned testimony. Rob says, I'm gonna go back to this.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna put it up. Did you see a
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 4: police officer strike him as an Oswalt?
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 8: No?
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 4: Did you see a police officer with his arm around
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 4: the neck of the man who wrested him? No? I
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 4: don't believe so. Do you ever see a police officer
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 4: strike this man lee with the butt of a shotgun? No, sir,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 4: or any of the officers in the theater armed with shotguns? No, sorry,
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 4: I don't believe so. And then they end it. They're like,
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 4: all right, well, thanks, thanks man, thanks for thanks for
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 4: giving a short tom. When an interview doesn't go according
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 4: to plan, they either change the subject or they end it,
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 4: and they're hoping people like us are not going to
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 4: find this shit. Sixty three years later, two.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 5: Years later, and also interestingly interestingly enough, uh, of course
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 5: there was a report from Stringfellow, who was the DPD
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 5: head of the Criminal Intelligence Division or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 5: who wrote a report. It's a Ganaway, who was you know,
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 5: his boss, and and so forth. And again this was
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 5: the day after and you mentioned that they said that
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 5: Oswald had been arrested in the balcony of the Texas Theater.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 5: You think by then they'd have their story straight. Obviously
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 5: that's not the case.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 5: What's also hella interesting.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 4: Is the guy that saw the guy get arrested behind
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 4: the theater too taken out.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 5: But let's let's let's take a look at what the
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 5: back of the Texas Theater looked like Joe. So here
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 5: is what the rear of the Texas Theater looked like.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 4: As Brewer and Burrows were covering the exits to make
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 4: sure no one would leave.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 5: Right right, the door on the right is the rear
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 5: door through which police entered the Texas Theater, the one
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 5: that Johnny Brewer opened up and allegedly lets these people in, right,
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 5: the cops, right.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 4: I believe Westbrook's car was in the back, right.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And there was also a truck back there with
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 5: the engine running that nobody seems to know who belonged to. Now,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 5: to the left of that is a pathway that runs
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 5: to the sidewalk in front of the Texas Theater. To
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 5: the left there's a pathway from the alley from Jefferson
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 5: to Jefferson Boulevard. Now, there was no metal door on
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 5: there like there is now In nineteen sixty three. It
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 5: was just a open walkway. Anybody could walk behind, you know,
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 5: from from the front of to behind the theater through
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 5: this little alleyway right, Uh huh, okay, not really an alley,
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 5: just big enough for somebody to walk through, you know.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 5: I guess bring the trash, you know.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe like a service entrance or exit whatever.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just something more. You wouldn't have to walk all
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 5: the way around a goddamn block just to get behind
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 5: this place, you know what I mean, Like there's a cot. Now.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 5: What's interesting is, of course there's been there's that big
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 5: Bernard hair owner Bernie's hobby shop, who says that, you know,
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 5: for all these years he thought he saw Oswald getting
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 5: arrested out the back door theater.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 4: All right, that's his name right right.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 5: But I want to say what he saw was Johnny Brewer, huh,
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 5: getting pulled out out out back right, because he didn't
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 5: hang around inside the theater. After he pointed Oswald out,
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 5: they were like, all right, get the hell out of here, bro.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 4: And I could see how from a far distance we
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 4: showed the video of Brewer, and I think it was
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 4: sixty four, I could see how he might have thought
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 4: that was Oswalt.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 5: And I was thinking, you know, if they had Brewer
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 5: out the rear entrance and they probably stuck him in
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 5: a cop car and took him down to the station right.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 4: Right, because they asked him, he goes, they.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: Go, what are you doing here?
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 5: Yes, and he's the guy that pointed him out. So
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 5: I figured, okay, well, they pulled him out the back
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 5: of the Texas Theater, probably stuck him in a squad
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 5: car and took him down to the station. But we
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 5: know that's not true because he didn't do an Affidavid
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 5: for how long?
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 4: Sixteen days?
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 5: Sixteen days to seburse sixth. So in this interview with Greggs,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 5: he says, he says this, let's see, there were several
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 5: fists thrown in Oswald's general direction, and he was handcuffed
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 5: and let out, and they let him out the aisle
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 5: towards me, and we were just a couple of feet apart,
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 5: and he was actually looking at me when he said
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 5: I'm not resisting arrest. Greg says, you heard him say that.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 5: He said, right, Did he say that to you? He
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 5: said no, he was just said that in general, but
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 5: he was looking kind of at me. I don't know
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 5: if he recognized me from the shoe store or not.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 5: And Greg said, and he took him out through the
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 5: front entrance onto West Jefferson, and he says, yes, And
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 5: as I was going to leave, I was stopped by
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 5: two FBI or plane clothes, and they took my name
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 5: and address, and he said, and Greg says, well, once
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 5: that was all finished, once they'd arrested Oswald and handcuffed
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 5: him and took him outside and spoke to you briefly,
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 5: what did you do? And he said, well, he was
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 5: gone by the time I got out of there, The
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 5: police were all gone, and I just walked back to
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 5: my store, So he was not taken immediately down. So
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 5: again we still don't know who in the hell Bernard
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 5: Hair saw come out of the back of the Texas
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 5: Theater and get put in a cop car or arrested,
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 5: if you will. It wasn't Brewer. I thought might have been,
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 5: but it wasn't. So again we got a mystery inside
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 5: of a mystery. And just to put it into perspective
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 5: for everybody, because we talk a lot about shit here,
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 5: and if you've never been to Dallas, it's kind of
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 5: hard to get all this shit in your brain. Okay,
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 5: So let's start at the top of this picture, Joe,
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 5: where you see the book depository is marked okay, and
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 5: then you to the right of that, this is where
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 5: Lee Harvey Oswald gets in the taxi after the bus ride. Okay,
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 5: he's got to go over the Houston Street Viaduct which
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 5: goes over the river. Right, it's the Trinity River. I
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 5: could be wrong, So follow the red line from Harvey
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 5: and taxi. As we're coming down here. You get over
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 5: the viaduct, the Houston Street viaduct, you go past the
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 5: glow Cose station where Tippett was allegedly sitting and waiting. Yep.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 4: Cars.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 5: Now follow the red line past the Grolocco station Gloco,
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 5: and you see it come up to the corner of
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 5: Beckley and Zang's, which is close to where Lee Harvey
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 5: Oswald is staying at the rooming house. But instead of
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 5: getting out right there, he has the driver drive five
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 5: long city blocks past the rooming house where he gets
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 5: out of the taxi and makes a hairpin you turn
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 5: back and walks back to his rooming house. Okay. Now
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 5: from Oswald's rooming house where it is, follow the yellow
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 5: arrows to the left, which will bring us over Okay,
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 5: to the Texas Theater on Jefferson Street. If you follow
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 5: it down, follow the yellow brick road on down. Okay,
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 5: the yellow arrows they bring you down to Jefferson Street.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 5: And if you make a right, if you're driving, if
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 5: you make a left. Looking at this picture, it runs
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 5: you down to the Texas Theater and then on past
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 5: that at the top ten record store. Blah blah blah. Right,
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 5: Now go back to Oswald's rooming house and follow the
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 5: dotted line to the right. This is Oswald's alleged route
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 5: to the scene of the Tippett murder. Now, if you're going,
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 5: if you have every intention of going to the Texas Theater, Joe,
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 5: are you going to walk that red dotted line to
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 5: get there or are you going to go straight down
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 5: back late to Jefferson Street. I wore down sayings to
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 5: Jefferson Street.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 4: I would a million percent not take the route he
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 4: did it. It's not efficient whatsoever, especially if you're talking
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 4: about accounting for the time of when Tippet's killed.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 5: Right, So again, that's a mile. The red dotted line
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 5: is a mile. So we're following the red dotted line
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 5: down to where Tippet is murdered. Okay. Now there is
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 5: a purple line from the tipp and murder scene, okay,
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 5: and it is going to run you down if you
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 5: follow it all the way to the Texas Theater, which
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 5: appears to me if we're looking at the scale of
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 5: this map, and if it's accurate, another country fucking mile
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 5: the tipp And murder scene to the Texas Theater. If
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 5: you're comparing a mile between his rooming house and then's
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 5: the Tippet murder scene.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 4: Even longer, yeah, even longer.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 5: If you take the red route from the tipp murder scene,
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 5: which is right right.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 4: You know, it's based on where the jacket was found.
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, allegedly he took the red route right. The
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 5: purple route takes you all the way down and then
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 5: into the alley behind the Texas Theater, which is this
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 5: is Westbrook and Kroy's route from the Tippet murder scene. Okay.
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 5: The solid red route is Oswalt's Okay. So this is
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 5: just how just for perspective purposes, you know, we talk
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 5: like we throw out uh and there's Marsala Street all
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 5: the way on the right, right right.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 4: Ten Marcellas. That was great. That was a great U observation, bro.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I just thought that this was a good
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 5: illustrative visual, you know, to see how all this shit
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 5: was laid out. Yeah, all all and.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 4: What forty five minutes up at most?
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a lot.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 4: It's a lot, man, Bro. I open up an app
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 4: and it's forty five minutes later, you know what I mean? Like,
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 4: I just time goes by so quickly. I don't see
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 4: how it all lines up, the timing. It's just nothing
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 4: about it makes sense to me. And oh, by the way, Joe, oh,
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 4: that's his half dollar bill.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 5: This is what Oswald had in his pocket, right.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 4: Which allegedly his contact would have had the other half correct.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 5: Interesting, this is spycraft shit.
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I I think I think it was just
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 4: so screwed up. And they had to like connect so
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 4: many dots to make this timeline work. And you have
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 4: a twenty two year old kid right, who could obviously
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 4: be leaned on by police. You have Julie Postal and
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 4: her criminal husband supporting four kids who could easily be leveraged.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 4: I see this as optimal circumstances for.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 5: Skoffuzie again, and all of their testimony changes over time.
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 5: There's things added, there's things left out, And this ranges
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 5: from Burroughs to Brewer. Postals to me, controllable. If she's scared,
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 5: her husband's in trouble with the with the Dallas cops.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 5: He's a fugitive from justice, you know, he's treating her
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 5: like shit and her kids. She could probably be made
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 5: to say anything. She doesn't say much, you know, she
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 5: doesn't admit to anything. Well, I can't remember. I don't
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 5: know if I saw him to take her or not.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 5: I saw him go in. I didn't see him going in.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 5: And that's pretty much it for her, you know. Like
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 5: they even have Johnny Brewer at the mock trial in
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 5: the eighties when they did the mock trial thing. Oh really,
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 5: Oswald on trial. Yeah, I didn't know it was there. Yeah,
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 5: that's a good video. But like again, there there's if
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 5: you really down this rabbit hole, it's crazy. It's crazy.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 5: And why don't we have a list of the people
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 5: who were in the fucking Texas theater.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 4: That's another thing.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 5: Obviously, you know, especially if Oswald was there to meet somebody, right,
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 5: because we have the dude moving from seat to seat,
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 5: sitting besides strange people, you know, obviously for some reason,
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 5: he's got half a dollar bill in his pocket. It's
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 5: a good place to meet up because it's dark in there, right,
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 5: nobody's really paying attention to who you are. Really, chances
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 5: are you knowing somebody in there is slim going to
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 5: the movies on a weekday at one o'clock, you know
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 5: what I mean? Yes, yeah, a lot of stuff going
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 5: on here.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think he was bugging and I
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 4: think he had a meeting point scheduled there, and I
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 4: think they tried to mess with the timeline too to
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 4: make it all work and with tip it. I mean,
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 4: that's what it looks like to me.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 5: But you look at the luga.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 4: A look at the luga. I was gonna say it, right,
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 4: but you beat me to it. YEA, thank you.
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, we.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 4: We try. We we don't plan this out in advance.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 5: I mean we we kind of do, but we are
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 5: lads of information that is already out there. But you know,
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 5: that's the only way we're going to get anywhere is
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 5: if you start pulling some of this ship together from
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 5: different sources and trying to figure it all out and
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 5: see what fits together and what doesn't, what makes sense
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 5: and what doesn't. What's the most likely scenario here? Somebody's
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 5: lying everything can't be true. You know when you when
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 5: you when you see people talking like Brewer, and you
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 5: know you say, all right, well this is dude. The
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 5: line is ass off mm hmm, and kind of sus
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 5: you know, about who he knows mm hmm. And I
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 5: still think it's odd that he knows Butch and Julie
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 5: by first on a first name basis. It's odd to me.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 5: And he's only been working there a year, but you
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 5: already know the people are working in the theater by
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 5: for on a first name basis. I don't know. Yeah,
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 5: all that that's weird.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 4: And the and and the IBM people who he let close,
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 4: he doesn't remember their names. Uh, my guests, as there
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 4: was someone in the theater that they did not want exposed,
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 4: whether well, he.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 5: Didn't even close. The fact that there's two skuffoozs from
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 5: IBM inside his store, to the to the Dallas Police
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 5: or the FBI or the Warrant Commission or the Wark Commission. Right,
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 5: these people he doesn't know their names. They were never interviewed.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 5: They could have corroborated his story about Oswald ducking in.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 5: You know, you think if you have two guys that
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 5: hang out in your store right and on the radio,
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 5: the President's just been shot, a CoP's just been shot,
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 5: You're gonna be talking to these other two guys in
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 5: your store about that, Like how crazy this is? And
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, the cop cars are running
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 5: up and down in front of your business, and you're like,
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 5: what's going on here? Oh, the cop guy killed around
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 5: the corner, and some guy runs in your store. Basically
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 5: he's three on one. At that point, you're like, all right, boys,
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 5: let's get him. Instead, he takes it upon himself to
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 5: play Sherlock Holmes. Yeah, really he does and track him down,
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 5: book them Dan, Oh that's the guy.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I think, uh, I think it was Jack
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 4: that had the thought or the comment that it could
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 4: have legit been Brewer taken out the back, don't. I
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 4: don't rule that out at this point.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 5: Right, But he wasn't put in a cop car. And
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 5: Hare said the guy he saw was Brewer said he
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 5: walked away and went back to his shop.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 4: Well that's what he said.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 5: That's what he said in ninety six, right, ninety six ago.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 5: But again, if he was, if they would have stuck
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 5: his ass in a cop car and took him back
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 5: down the station, we'd have an Affidavid from November twenty second, right,
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 5: we don't, right, So the fact that they took his
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 5: information turned him loose makes sense.
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 5: So that to me, seems like somebody else they're talking
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 5: about the got arrested out the back of the Texas Theater.
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 5: And then you get into Harvey and Lee, you get
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 5: into Larry Crayford possibly being the other Oswald.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 4: I'm true, Yeah, definitely could have been there.
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, whoever shot Tippett being the other Oswalt. It's interesting
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 5: and John Armstrong has a that good stuff on this.
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 5: Jim Mars has a lot of good stuff on this.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 5: If you want to dive in deeper, I suggest you
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 5: go track it down again. You can find the interviews
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 5: with these people in the weirdest places like the mock trial.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 5: The men who killed Kennedy. Mark Lane, for some reason
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 5: didn't touch these people with a ten foot poll which
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 5: is odd to me. Everybody else's ass in Dallas. But
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 5: he never he never contacted Brewer, Burrows or Postal. Yeah,
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 5: but I guess we can't ask old Mark Lane why
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 5: he didn't.
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 4: We cannot. But uh, I think it was Timothy who
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 4: said this whole thing stinks to high heavens. It seems
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 4: like they needed time to work out the official story,
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 4: and that's why we don't have the day off FI David.
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 4: It's from anyone. That's why they lost the manifest for
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 4: the Texas Theater everything you know, Westbrook in the back
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  Speaker 4: or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, total mess, total mess. But anyway, that's a show, Joe,
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 5: that's a show.
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  Speaker 4: That's a pod.
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  Speaker 5: That's a pod. That's a show. Grab the damn dog.
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  Speaker 5: That's it for us. It's Friday night. Let's get out
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  Speaker 5: of here. Let's go party some more, folks. Thank you
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  Speaker 5: so much for hanging with us. Learn something of the case.
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  Speaker 5: All right, there's Ruby. Thanks you so much for Thanks
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  Speaker 5: for the show. It's been one tell of a year, Joe,
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 5: it has, but it ain't over yet, folks, because we
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 5: got one more for you before the new year.
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  Speaker 4: You're here.
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  Speaker 5: We don't know what the greatest crimes are Committee in
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 5: the name of it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we have a members only on the thirty first,
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  Speaker 4: but that's the next regular show will be in the second.
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  Speaker 4: So if if you're not a member, have the happy
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 4: New Year. And if you're not a member, what the
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 4: hell are you doing the come on.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because again the third time this month. Members only
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  Speaker 5: will be open to all levels of membership next week,
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  Speaker 5: but that'll be it until the end of January, so
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 5: good time to become a member before the new year
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 5: is done. Yes, yank you folks for checking it out.
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  Speaker 5: Good night. We are some hard working mofos. Sometimes sometimes.
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 4: We try it, but we couldn't do this without you,
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  Speaker 4: guys and and and all your support and listens and
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 4: views and all that good ship. So thank you so much.
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 4: Happy holidays, Happy New Year, and we love you. We'll
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 4: see you on Wednesday and and then next year. I guess.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks folks. We out peace piece, peace piece piece