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Credlin | 26 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. I am keeping a
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Speaker 2: close watch on airports in Sydney in Melbourne for details
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Speaker 2: on that Islamic State return of women. We'll get to
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Speaker 2: That is what's coming up on the program. That secrecy
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Speaker 2: tonight from the federal government and authorities is the latest
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Speaker 2: cohort of Islamic State women and children touchdown on Australian soil.
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Speaker 2: This time around, we know even less about the circumstances
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Speaker 2: of these controversial returns. I'll let you know what we
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Speaker 2: know in a moment, plus questions for the Attorney General.
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Speaker 2: As revealed here last night, it took three weeks for
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Speaker 2: the sign off on the prosecution of the last batch
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Speaker 2: of Isis women, but just one day for war hero
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Speaker 2: Ben Robert Smith. I'll speak to a former senior AFP
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Speaker 2: officer for his take.
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Speaker 3: Some good news. This is terrific.
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Speaker 2: This is a big win for US funding now fully
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Speaker 2: reinstated to the family, a full on commando and VC
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Speaker 2: recipient Cameron Baird. A lot of pressure on the government,
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Speaker 2: they have caved now and we've got a very special
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Speaker 2: message for you from a very grateful bared family and
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Speaker 2: that what being five hundred thousand dollars travel bill from
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen and his bureaucrat. He says, we're getting value
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Speaker 2: for money.
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Speaker 4: I mean, really, there's always a value for there's always
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Speaker 4: a value for money assessment given to every travel.
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Speaker 3: Well, say with those Isis women.
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Speaker 2: Though just moments ago nineteen women and children linked to
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Speaker 2: Islamic State landed in this country. Again, both Sydney and
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Speaker 2: Melbourne have borne the brunt of the arrivals, with heavy
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Speaker 2: security at both airports and counter terrorism police involved. BIS
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Speaker 2: says the Prime Minister. We don't want them here.
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Speaker 5: I have nothing but contempt for anyone who has any
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Speaker 5: sympathy for Isis. The government has provided no assistance these people.
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Speaker 3: Give me a break.
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Speaker 2: But despite the incredible power of exclusion orders and the
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Speaker 2: ability to refuse and cancel passports here these women are
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Speaker 2: so while the government's incredibly weak and has failed to
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Speaker 2: use the laws, it has to stop them or they
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Speaker 2: really want them here. Because we already know that one
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Speaker 2: of the women who plan to get on one of
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Speaker 2: these planes has been barred by the government, So if
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Speaker 2: they can bar her, why not bar all of them?
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Speaker 2: See my point about just how much this government wants
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Speaker 2: to pretend that it's doing nothing to help these women,
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Speaker 2: when in fact the opposite is true. After all, the
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Speaker 2: Minister in Charge, Tony Burke, is the same bloke who
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Speaker 2: secretly slipped out to Sitney Airport not so long ago
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Speaker 2: to personally welcome a planeload of Garzens in a move
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Speaker 2: that even Labour types admitted was extraordinary denied. Australians remain
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Speaker 2: largely in the dark about this latest to planeloads of women.
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Speaker 2: There's been no proper press conference from the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: or the Minister, and we await information as to if
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Speaker 2: and when we'll hear from the Federal Police. But let's
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Speaker 2: not forget what we have found out already under questioning
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Speaker 2: insteaded hearings last night from Liberal Michaylia Cash about the
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Speaker 2: Albanezi government different treatment of these women, the women who
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Speaker 2: have been charged and war hero former sas soldier Ben
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Speaker 2: Roberts Smith.
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Speaker 6: Just in terms of the consent to prosecute, how long
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Speaker 6: did it take the Attorney General to side off on
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Speaker 6: the isis Bride's consent to prosecute.
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Speaker 7: The CDPP wrote to the Department seeking the attorney's consent
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Speaker 7: on the twentieth of November twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 6: Twentieth of November twenty twenty five, and the consent was
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Speaker 6: provided on the fifteenth of December, so approx. Just over
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Speaker 6: three weeks compared to the one day with Ben Robert Smith.
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Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, less than two days, Katie cast says,
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Speaker 2: one day for the Attorney General to sign up charging
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Speaker 2: a man who holds our nation's highest award for bravery,
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Speaker 2: a man who signed up to fight Islamic extremism, and
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Speaker 2: a wholly different set of standards for the women who
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Speaker 2: allegedly sign up to breed the next generation of Islamist terrorists.
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Speaker 2: So what do we know about this latest group of
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Speaker 2: Islamic state women? Again, don't call them brides. I don't
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Speaker 2: call them brides. They are not innocents. They left to
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Speaker 2: join a terrorist death cult. And we already know that
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Speaker 2: some of those who returned a couple of weeks ago
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Speaker 2: faced serious charges about human slavery and terrorism. Now one
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Speaker 2: of the group reportedly on her way and landing in
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Speaker 2: Australia is this woman, Kirsty ross Emil, who landed in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne moments ago with another woman and seven children.
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Speaker 3: And here are some.
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Speaker 2: Of the things that Kirsty ross Emil has said in
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Speaker 2: the past, posted under her Muslim name Asthma on Facebook
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Speaker 2: and reported today in The Nightly and as well repeated
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Speaker 2: references we see there to martyrdom and warnings to women
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Speaker 2: about type fitting clothing and moral corruption. Well, Kirsty ross
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Speaker 2: Emil told the ABC in February last year that it
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Speaker 2: was not her choice to be here in Syria. Her father, Guy,
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Speaker 2: who lives in Melbourne, rejected the claims outright, saying that
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Speaker 2: his daughter is lying. That's what she wanted. Her father
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Speaker 2: says she wanted to be in a Muslim country where
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Speaker 2: Sharia law will be always regarded as deed rage. Now,
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Speaker 2: of these already here, how much taxpayer support are they receiving?
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Speaker 2: What about legal aid, housing assistance? Are they on doll Well,
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Speaker 2: no idea because the government refuses to answer any question
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Speaker 2: as to the dozens of their children now here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Here is the AFP Commissioner recently.
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Speaker 8: Children who return in the cohort will be asked to
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Speaker 8: undergo community integration programs, therapeutic support and countering violent extremism programs.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, have they been asked? Are they in any programs.
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Speaker 2: Who is running the programs? Are they specialist programs or
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Speaker 2: are they run by local Muslim organizations? Now these are
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Speaker 2: the questions that you deserve answered. And the more that
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Speaker 2: the government hides from the truth, the more clear it
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Speaker 2: is that despite what the Prime Minister says, his government
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Speaker 2: has been helping these women from day one. This blow
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Speaker 2: doctor Jamal Riffei one of the organizers in chief or
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Speaker 2: he is close personal ally of Tony Burke. Burke needs
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Speaker 2: his help to win Muslim votes in his Sydney seat
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Speaker 2: of Watson, and Riffi knows it. And Riffi, it has
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Speaker 2: been confirmed, traveled to Syria in January carrying thirty four
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Speaker 2: passports issued by the Albanesi government, without which these women
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Speaker 2: and children would never have been able to board an aeroplane. Now,
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Speaker 2: let's not forget too those secret meetings to plan all
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Speaker 2: of this involving Burke, where public servants were thrown out
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Speaker 2: of the room so that the minister could speak candidly.
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Speaker 2: There you go, you're not stupid. The Prime Minister might
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Speaker 2: think you are, but you be the judge. We'll get
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Speaker 2: to some Vision two and look for what sort of
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Speaker 2: assistance these women are having getting out from the airport
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Speaker 2: away from the media.
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Speaker 3: But before we go, some good news.
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Speaker 2: Last night here in the program you heard this from
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Speaker 2: former Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
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Speaker 9: Look, the government's action looks like it is saving money
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Speaker 9: at the expense of a dead hero and that is
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Speaker 9: just wrong.
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Speaker 2: Well today the big back down. This morning, on my
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Speaker 2: way back from the GM I got a message from
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Speaker 2: Doug Baird saying that the Veterans Minister Matt Keo, had
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Speaker 2: been in touch with him and that the government was
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Speaker 2: backing down on the decision to strip him and his
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Speaker 2: wife Kay of funding, funding that he has received since
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Speaker 2: his late son Cameron Baird, was a ward of the
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Speaker 2: Victoria Cross in a battle in Afghanistan, for which he
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Speaker 2: saved the lives of his mates, but lost his own
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Speaker 2: funding that had mounted to less than five thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: a year that he and Ka used to help cover
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Speaker 2: their travel costs as they attended RSL school and community
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Speaker 2: events to support veterans and families and to tell the
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Speaker 2: story of the war hero son and what it means
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Speaker 2: to live a life of service.
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Speaker 3: So imagine how shockto was.
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Speaker 2: To go out digging and find that the funding to
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Speaker 2: the beds was cut to save money at the very
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Speaker 2: same time as the minister who signed off on the cup.
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Speaker 2: Mackeo himself had spent more than three hundred and sixty
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars on his own travel and accommodation, three hundred
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Speaker 2: and sixty one thousand dollars for just the months of January,
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Speaker 2: February and March this year, and yet he stripped the
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Speaker 2: beds of a very modest five thousand dollars. Now, your
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Speaker 2: anger was swift and it's because of you and that
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Speaker 2: big push too from Tony Abbott that we now have
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Speaker 2: this money reinstated in Cameron's name and a promise that
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Speaker 2: it will never again be touched. So thank you, Thank
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Speaker 2: you sincerely from me, Thank you to from Doug.
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Speaker 3: And k Baird.
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Speaker 10: Hi there were you would I just like to take
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Speaker 10: this opportunity to say a big thank you to the many,
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Speaker 10: many people who have supported us. There's been some very
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Speaker 10: big hitters amongst them as well, but a result which
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Speaker 10: is something which I'm really happy with and for that
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Speaker 10: I just want to take this opportunity is to thank everybody.
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Speaker 10: I'm trying to answer as much as I can, but
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Speaker 10: it's just got away from me, so please bear with me,
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Speaker 10: but also know too that we are very grateful as
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Speaker 10: a bird family, kind regards, love and respect to us
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Speaker 10: all Bye.
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Speaker 2: What a wonderful proud dad there. The apple doesn't fall
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Speaker 2: far from the tree, does it. Corporal Cameron Bird, Second
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Speaker 2: Commander Regiment VCMG. Lest we forget all right, hectic day
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Speaker 2: and cambra lots of news. We'll get there now for
10:54
Speaker 2: the headlines with our Sky News political reporter.
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Speaker 11: Power bills are expected to fall across much of Australia
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Speaker 11: from July, even as the Iran conflict creates uncertainty. The
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Speaker 11: Energy Regulator cut the default market to offer across several states.
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Speaker 11: It could save households up to one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 11: seven dollars a year.
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Speaker 4: I expect the continued influence of renewal energy. You're putting
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Speaker 4: substantial downward pressure on prices.
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Speaker 11: The Opposition argues. Prices have risen by more than one
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Speaker 11: thousand dollars under Chris Bowen, and now he's boasting about
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Speaker 11: a one off reduction. The Coalition is continuing its attack
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Speaker 11: on Labour's budget and broken promises. The Opposition leader ask
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Speaker 11: the PM in question time to outline who will be
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Speaker 11: carved out of the proposed CGT changes.
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Speaker 12: Three times the Prime Minister has refused to be honest.
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Speaker 3: What happened to my word is my bond?
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Speaker 5: The changes of course to capital gains tax, of course,
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Speaker 5: will result in different outcomes for different businesses.
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Speaker 11: The government will reinstate taxpayer funded travel for the family
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Speaker 11: of Victoria Cross recipient Cameron Baird. The Veterans' Affairs Minister
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Speaker 11: told Sky News the existing arrangements will be grandfathered following backlash.
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Speaker 9: Corporal Cameron Beard gave his life for this country, gave
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Speaker 9: his life to protect this country and his parents traveling
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Speaker 9: totaments shouldn't be wrapped up in bureaucracy.
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Speaker 11: Darg and k Baird were provided support to help them
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Speaker 11: attend commemorative events honoring their son.
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Speaker 3: There you go.
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Speaker 2: Let's go down to Sydney Airport where Islamic stated women
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Speaker 2: have just arrived with children. There is another cold of
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Speaker 2: course in Melbourne. Nineteen individuals in all joining me, senior
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Speaker 2: reporter of Matt Taylor and Matt welcome. What do we
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Speaker 2: know about these women and those that also arrived in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne a little earlier this evening?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Hi, the Peter, we don't actually know a lot
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Speaker 13: about these women here in Sydney. The aircraft flying in
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Speaker 13: from Doha, touching down around about thirty minutes or so ago.
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Speaker 13: Four so called brides and six children were on. Now
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Speaker 13: we do know their identities, but other than that, very
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Speaker 13: little is known about them. Higher Amard as well as
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Speaker 13: Naserene Amina and Samayah Zaheb are of course, those so
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Speaker 13: called Isis brides touching down here in Sydney, of course,
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Speaker 13: making that trek from that Syrian camp to Damascus, the
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Speaker 13: capital of Syria, late last week on Friday, before then
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Speaker 13: making their way to Katar, before boarding that plane, the
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Speaker 13: plane in Doha and then traveling here to Sydney. I'm
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Speaker 13: just going to give you a look behind me now
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Speaker 13: because this is where we're potentially waiting for these women
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Speaker 13: and children, ten of them in total, to arrive. The
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Speaker 13: airport getting a lot busier, and there is a large
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Speaker 13: because media and police presence as well, which you can
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Speaker 13: see building. But it is unclear whether or not these
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Speaker 13: women and their children will emerge through these arrival gates
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Speaker 13: here at the Sydney International Airport, or whether or not
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Speaker 13: they're going to go out through another potential exit, which
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Speaker 13: is possibly what we're.
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Speaker 2: Hearing, Well, that's what I'm certainly seeing on my phone
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Speaker 2: on social media, speculation that they will be moved lived
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Speaker 2: quietly through the airport, that they are in fact being
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Speaker 2: facilitated by the government. Do we know whether there are
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Speaker 2: any potential arrests.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, we're actually hearing this breaking in just the last
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Speaker 13: hour or so. You'll have to excuse us. There are
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Speaker 13: some troublemakers down here tonight, Peter, But we are hearing
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Speaker 13: from the federal police that there will be no arrest
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Speaker 13: when it comes to the Sydney cohort that has arrived.
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Speaker 13: So those four women instead, what they will be offered,
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Speaker 13: according to sources that Sky News has spoken to, and
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Speaker 13: according to some reporting that they'll be offered government health
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Speaker 13: assistance instead. If they decide to take up that health assistance,
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Speaker 13: they will be escorted by the DCJ, the Department of
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Speaker 13: Corrections and Justice, potentially to a waiting vehicle will where
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Speaker 13: they'll then be transferred to a destination where they'll undergo
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Speaker 13: those health checks. However, if they decide to decline the
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Speaker 13: offer to undergo some kind of health check or screening,
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Speaker 13: then it is anticipated that they will emerge from behind
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Speaker 13: me here at the International Arrivals Hall. But we were
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Speaker 13: also told that there may be family members waiting. It
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Speaker 13: doesn't appear to be as though there are any family
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Speaker 13: members waiting here for now. But of course that flight
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Speaker 13: just touching down thirty minutes ago, still waiting for anyone
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Speaker 13: to come off, that Cutter Airways flight that touchdown just
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Speaker 13: after five thirty here in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Match you've told us about all we've been
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Speaker 2: told from the government.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for all of that help.
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Speaker 2: And of course if the Prime minister did a press conference,
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Speaker 2: as prime ministers have done in the past, we know
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Speaker 2: a hell of a lot more. Thank you, Matt. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to Canberra now. Sitting day was busy. We'll be
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Speaker 2: joined now by Political editor Andrew Claranell. Andrew, I just
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Speaker 2: want to off the top ask you something there because
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Speaker 2: I know you've been speaking to government ministers today. But
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Speaker 2: I do think it is extraordinary that we've had these
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Speaker 2: cohorts of individuals come back from a terror zone, some
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Speaker 2: facing really serious terrorism related offenses, charged with the same
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Speaker 2: We're not clear if that's going to happen in relation
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Speaker 2: to any of these individuals, but where's the information from
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Speaker 2: the government where's the stand up that you usually expect
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Speaker 2: from a Prime minister for an.
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Speaker 3: Event like this.
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Speaker 14: Well, it took an hour for the opposition to ask
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Speaker 14: a question about it and question time, but they did so.
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Speaker 14: The Prime Minister made a statement in question time. But yeah,
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Speaker 14: no press conference from the likes of say Tony Burke.
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Speaker 14: I mean he could do it if the PM doesn't
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Speaker 14: as Home Affairs Minister Matt Fistlethwaites and Assistant Minister.
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Speaker 1: He was on my show.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I wish we should probably hear about it from
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Speaker 14: Tony Burke in the morning, shouldn't we. It's a good point.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the budget. It was certainly front and
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Speaker 2: center again. Almost every day we're getting a sense that
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Speaker 2: the government is moving to carve out other industries beyond
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Speaker 2: just the early tech players they talked about in relation
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Speaker 2: to these CGT changes.
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Speaker 3: What I find.
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Speaker 2: Extraordinary is they're still talking about ramming this legislation through
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Speaker 2: the House as it is without amendment and then subjected
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Speaker 2: to a Senate inquiry and then basically go back and
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Speaker 2: fix it up on the fly coming out of a
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Speaker 2: centate process. Now, I've never seen legislation done like that.
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Speaker 2: Usually you hold it back you maybe do the inquiry
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Speaker 2: at the House stage. You fix your bill, you pass
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Speaker 2: it through the Parliament. You don't cut in dice on
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Speaker 2: the way out the door to the Governor General.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 14: Well they did it in the budget papers too, didn't they.
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Speaker 14: They said, oh, here's the change, but by the way,
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Speaker 14: we've got to consult startups about the change and we
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Speaker 14: might change it. So, despite the denials of the Prime
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Speaker 14: Minister and others that this is usual practice, it's just not.
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Speaker 14: And often when you do tax reform, it's better to
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Speaker 14: announce it, better to announce it outside of a budget process,
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Speaker 14: do the consultation, then have it in the budget. I mean,
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Speaker 14: I remember the GST lock up for John Howard's GST, so.
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Speaker 1: I think it check.
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Speaker 2: And I just want to make the point for people
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Speaker 2: at home so they can follow that point you make,
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Speaker 2: and it is the right point. You can always make
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Speaker 2: your announcement then subjected to consultation, which is the usual way,
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Speaker 2: and then bring in the legislation. But these guys are
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Speaker 2: cart before horse. They've made the announcement, fine, they want
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Speaker 2: to fine tune it, but they're bringing the legislation in
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Speaker 2: and then fine tuning it as it moves through the Parliament.
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Speaker 3: That's what's extraordinary.
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Speaker 14: Well, someone did point out to me that this is
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Speaker 14: Jim Chalmers and he was working for Wayne Swan when
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Speaker 14: a similar thing happened with the mining tax.
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Speaker 3: So remember how that lands seems.
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Speaker 1: To be a bit of a habit.
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Speaker 14: Get yeah, it has to be a bit of a habit.
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 14: The interesting thing is, obviously the capital gains is causing
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Speaker 14: the most political angst I think yet. I had David Shebridge,
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Speaker 14: the Green centater, on the show today and he seemed
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Speaker 14: it seemed to me that the Greens were more likely
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Speaker 14: to pass the capital gains tax changes through the Senate
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Speaker 14: and not the negative gearing. They've got an objection to
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Speaker 14: the negative gearing because they're voted a lot of young people,
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Speaker 14: and of course it hits young people because they won't
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Speaker 14: be able to negatively gear. So it was quite an
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Speaker 14: interesting interview because I didn't realize this and he's saying
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Speaker 14: they won't pass it, but he seemed hesitant on it,
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Speaker 14: and he wants the government to go with this Green's proposal,
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Speaker 14: which is you can't have more than one negatively geared
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Speaker 14: home which would be retrospective, so you'd only be allowed
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Speaker 14: one negatively geared. You get grandfather that and then you
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Speaker 14: know this would stop people with five ten twenty homes
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Speaker 14: negatively gearing. So that's what they that's the demand of.
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Speaker 3: Government, smarter way to go.
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Speaker 14: I've always want I do too. I don't know, well,
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Speaker 14: I think yeah, I mean, we'll listen to us. We
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Speaker 14: think of Greece policies and good policy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you can you can.
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Speaker 14: Get anywhere at this joint But look, I mean it
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Speaker 14: does make sense because don't people really not have an
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Speaker 14: objection against the mum and dad of the investors or
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Speaker 14: future rent vests. Young people can't afford to live in
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Speaker 14: their city, who want just one of these things, and
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Speaker 14: I guess if it's per person, your husband and wife
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Speaker 14: could have it, right, So that's actually two. But when
19:53
Speaker 14: people have like four or five and it's just a
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Speaker 14: it's taken the mickey a bit. They're getting all this
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Speaker 14: tax money to build an incredible wealth. They're not sort
20:03
Speaker 14: of normal run of the mill Australians. So yeah, I
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Speaker 14: think there was originally a leak that the government was
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Speaker 14: looking at that two months ago, and when they came out,
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Speaker 14: I thought, well that sort of makes sense, So maybe
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Speaker 14: they did. But they've gone for this instead, and it's
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Speaker 14: a more complicated argument when it comes to intergenerational inequity.
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Speaker 14: But they're getting a lot of backlash on the CGT stuff.
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Speaker 14: Funnily enough, it seems to me that's an easier road
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Speaker 14: through the Senate on that. And of course bringing it
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Speaker 14: on now is all about getting the coalition to vote
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Speaker 14: against the two hundred and fifty dollars tax off set
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Speaker 14: in the House Thursday, because it's the same legislation capital
20:38
Speaker 14: gains tax changes with the tax off set. They made
20:41
Speaker 14: sure they put in the same bill. Then they can
20:43
Speaker 14: say agus Taylor opposes tax cuts even though he announced
20:45
Speaker 14: bigger tax cuts in his budget reply speech.
20:47
Speaker 1: So it's all political.
20:49
Speaker 14: It's not about the proposal. And you know, I'm cynical
20:53
Speaker 14: about it, and so should all our viewers be and everyone,
20:56
Speaker 14: because come on, I mean, you want the reform to
20:58
Speaker 14: happen or do you want to just you know, when's
21:00
Speaker 14: the opposition and put them in a dark light. You're
21:03
Speaker 14: running the country, You've got ninety four seats. Just do
21:06
Speaker 14: it properly. You know.
21:09
Speaker 3: Let's listen to this sort of.
21:12
Speaker 2: Difficult moment for the Energy Minister this morning on Breakfast TV.
21:17
Speaker 3: He will not like this.
21:18
Speaker 15: Have a listen, mister president, should I call you? Most
21:22
Speaker 15: people would agree protecting our environment is obviously important, But
21:26
Speaker 15: does the Office of the Presidents he need one hundred
21:29
Speaker 15: and fifty million dollars? So do you think it's appropriate
21:33
Speaker 15: for public servants to be flying business class on a
21:37
Speaker 15: three or the floor.
21:39
Speaker 4: Look, there's always there's always a value for there's always
21:42
Speaker 4: a value for money assessment given to every travel. You
21:44
Speaker 4: will always be public servants traveling representing our country. Now,
21:48
Speaker 4: Fiji is a very important country, our region.
21:50
Speaker 2: Well, he started off purring when she called him, mister President,
21:53
Speaker 2: and then it just went down like a balloon without
21:56
Speaker 2: its air. He was not happy as it went on.
21:58
Speaker 2: But I think this travel, this shuoemate is really bleeding
22:01
Speaker 2: for the government. You've got, obviously all that stuff with
22:03
Speaker 2: Anika Wells, You've got the revelations that I had about
22:06
Speaker 2: Matt Keyo spending three hundred and sixty one thousand dollars
22:10
Speaker 2: for just three months of travel at the same time
22:12
Speaker 2: as ripping off veterans with the changes in that portfolio,
22:16
Speaker 2: and then you get this, I mean, one hundred and
22:18
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars on this un frolic. We're not supposed
22:22
Speaker 2: to host this event, but we've got the Office of
22:24
Speaker 2: the President. We're spending all this money. Punters aren't happy
22:27
Speaker 2: they're being told to tighten their belts. Chris Bowen's not
22:30
Speaker 2: tightening his It's.
22:32
Speaker 14: A decent hit. I mean, he's the guy in charge
22:34
Speaker 14: of energy bills, right. I know they've got a small
22:36
Speaker 14: decrease after all these increases, so the story's a decent
22:39
Speaker 14: hit on him. Look, Chris Baren, what can I say?
22:41
Speaker 14: You know, this is my seventh year at Sky. He's
22:43
Speaker 14: the only politician on both sides of Parliament who won't
22:46
Speaker 14: do an interview with me, who hasn't done one. I
22:49
Speaker 14: think that says more about him than me.
22:52
Speaker 2: I think he's the gift that keeps giving to TV
22:55
Speaker 2: shows like this and the opposition. But yeah, let's move
22:58
Speaker 2: him on, I think, and save Australia. Let's send him
23:01
Speaker 2: to the UN. Maybe you'll blow that up as well.
23:03
Speaker 2: Andrew Clenew, thank you are in ak the break. We'll
23:06
Speaker 2: try and piece together more about what we know in
23:08
Speaker 2: relation to these women, because government's not telling as much,
23:11
Speaker 2: are they?
23:12
Speaker 3: And how is it that there's one rule for soldiers
23:15
Speaker 3: who fight the terrorists.
23:16
Speaker 2: And another rule for the women who go there to
23:20
Speaker 2: join them. We'll speak to an AFP officer, a former
23:24
Speaker 2: officer in a moment. Welcome back, still the come Julia
23:31
Speaker 2: Gillard branded a destroyer of women's rights at a prestigious writers' festival.
23:36
Speaker 3: It's all about sel Grover.
23:38
Speaker 2: I'll explain that in a moment, but first let's return
23:40
Speaker 2: to the arrival of yet more Islamic State women and children.
23:43
Speaker 2: Nineteen individuals in all, touch you down in Melbourne and
23:47
Speaker 2: Sitney within the last hour. Joining me now, former AFP
23:50
Speaker 2: Detective Superintendent David Craig, Well, David fin give me this
23:55
Speaker 2: one right. We're not entirely sure that there will be
24:00
Speaker 2: any arrest. Certainly it doesn't look like they'll be arrest
24:03
Speaker 2: in Sydney Melbourne. Will wait and see what happens during
24:06
Speaker 2: the program. But Prime of Facie, I understand the laws
24:10
Speaker 2: that they stood when I work for Tony Abbott, and
24:13
Speaker 2: obviously we're at war with Islamic State. That anyone going
24:16
Speaker 2: into these declared terror zones, we're breaking Australian law. Now,
24:20
Speaker 2: if that's where these women are coming back from, how
24:24
Speaker 2: are they not in breach of our law?
24:27
Speaker 3: As it stands well.
24:29
Speaker 9: I mean, the declared area offenses, Peter, are almost a
24:33
Speaker 9: strict and absolute offense. I mean, you don't have to
24:36
Speaker 9: prove very much apart from your going to a declared area. Now,
24:39
Speaker 9: these people, it's not going to be very hard to
24:41
Speaker 9: prove that they were there. These are offenses. I think
24:45
Speaker 9: that that would be enough for a temporary exclusion order.
24:48
Speaker 9: But let alone the things like crimes against humanity with
24:51
Speaker 9: slavery and sexual servitude and terrorism. I mean, these clearly
24:56
Speaker 9: have enough meeting them for a temporary exclusion order. And
25:01
Speaker 9: why they've been applied to two females now and not
25:04
Speaker 9: the others makes me really question how high is the
25:07
Speaker 9: bar to apply a temporary exclusion order? If you allow
25:11
Speaker 9: people back who have committed slavery and crimes against humanity
25:16
Speaker 9: and terrorism overseas, they're okay to come back, but we'll
25:19
Speaker 9: exclude two other women, What the hell have they done?
25:24
Speaker 2: We also know too, that one of the women excluded
25:26
Speaker 2: it has been reported that her family will seek basically
25:31
Speaker 2: a legal appeal on that decision.
25:34
Speaker 3: How would that run?
25:37
Speaker 9: Well, it'll be a very interesting legal affair, I think, Peter.
25:43
Speaker 9: It'll be a matter of who's going to fund it
25:46
Speaker 9: and whether hearing will be it'll have to be held
25:48
Speaker 9: in Australia and represented by an Australian I don't know
25:51
Speaker 9: who's going to fund it, whether the Australian tax wile
25:54
Speaker 9: will be expected to fund that appeal, So it'll effectively
25:59
Speaker 9: be the Australian government appealing against its own decision. It's
26:03
Speaker 9: almost a very bizarre situation that could be simply avoided
26:07
Speaker 9: and the society be a lot safer if we took
26:11
Speaker 9: some more proactive approach in protecting our borders.
26:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, what staggers means we're getting no information either from
26:19
Speaker 2: the AFP or from the government here. I mean, we're
26:25
Speaker 2: talking now about thirty four people coming out of a
26:29
Speaker 2: terror zone, connected at least the adults, connected to Islamic State,
26:32
Speaker 2: many of them leaving Australia to join Islamic State to
26:37
Speaker 2: breed the cubs of the caliphate. That was the pitch
26:40
Speaker 2: obviously at the time. They are married to, some of
26:42
Speaker 2: them alive and dead Islamic State terrorists. Where's the information
26:49
Speaker 2: to the public. Where are the assurances that once they
26:52
Speaker 2: are in the community, that Australians will be safe. Where
26:55
Speaker 2: is the follow up from Chrissy Barrett, the commissioner who
26:58
Speaker 2: said we'll ask these children, ask these children if they'll
27:01
Speaker 2: be involved in de radicalization programs or have they asked them?
27:06
Speaker 2: How many are participating? Who is running these programs? Are
27:10
Speaker 2: they government run? Are they run by Muslim organizations which
27:14
Speaker 2: we know with some of the earlier cases. What does
27:17
Speaker 2: it have answers to all of this, David, We.
27:20
Speaker 1: Are really kept in the dark.
27:22
Speaker 9: And I'm absolutely astounded by how the federal government is
27:25
Speaker 9: getting away with this.
27:26
Speaker 1: And I'm not a political animal, Peter.
27:29
Speaker 9: My job is law enforcement, and it's about justice, and
27:31
Speaker 9: it's about being Australian. Now, what the government is doing
27:35
Speaker 9: is simply blinding the Australian public with what's going on.
27:39
Speaker 9: I don't even know, and I follow this story fairly closely.
27:42
Speaker 9: Whether any of these women have dual citizenship. That's not
27:45
Speaker 9: been revealed.
27:46
Speaker 8: Now.
27:46
Speaker 9: If the AFP have been working on them since twenty fourteen,
27:49
Speaker 9: they would know that. And if they are dual citizens,
27:52
Speaker 9: we can strip their citizenship while they're outside of the
27:54
Speaker 9: Australian jurisdiction very easily. However, to do it once they're
27:57
Speaker 9: back in Australia, then they have all the appeals processes.
28:00
Speaker 9: You have to have the the receiving country accept them,
28:04
Speaker 9: et cetera, et cetera.
28:05
Speaker 1: That's the most basic question.
28:07
Speaker 9: I mean, our borders are in a terrible state when
28:10
Speaker 9: we have hate preachers coming in and out of and
28:12
Speaker 9: being kicked out only because of this network identifying these
28:16
Speaker 9: hate preachers that are coming in where a simple Google
28:18
Speaker 9: search would have allocated it would have identified they weren't
28:21
Speaker 9: suitable to come into our borders.
28:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's be really clear here.
28:26
Speaker 2: We've got a Royal commission underway and sending at the
28:28
Speaker 2: moment into a massacre in December in Australia that police
28:33
Speaker 2: will allege when the surviving gunment goes to court was
28:37
Speaker 2: linked to inspired by Islamic State. And you and I
28:41
Speaker 2: talked about a month ago about Islamic State using Bondai
28:45
Speaker 2: to prophlytize and to push out their their terrorism hatred
28:50
Speaker 2: around English speaking countries like Australia, and last night we
28:54
Speaker 2: had that revelation and estimates a shadow Attorney General, former
28:58
Speaker 2: Attorney General Macadia Cash basically resting it out of the
29:03
Speaker 2: department that Ben Robert Smith a decision on the AG's
29:07
Speaker 2: desk to sort of sign off the prosecution warrant occurred
29:10
Speaker 2: within less than two days, but for these Islamic state
29:14
Speaker 2: connected women it took three months. Now we know from
29:17
Speaker 2: the last time we heard from the AFP after the
29:20
Speaker 2: last arrival, that they've been working on the case in
29:23
Speaker 2: relation to these women for some decade or so, from
29:26
Speaker 2: about twenty fifteen twenty sixteen. They said, So, why so
29:29
Speaker 2: long with these women and why so quick and so
29:34
Speaker 2: public With ben Robert Smith.
29:37
Speaker 1: I would say it is a woke fear from the government.
29:40
Speaker 9: And I'm sorry to say this, but Chrissy Barrett has
29:43
Speaker 9: been very disappointing in this regard. I noticed that after
29:47
Speaker 9: the Bondie shooting she made that statement that it was
29:50
Speaker 9: an ideologically based attack, not based on religion, despite being
29:54
Speaker 9: radical Islamics shooting Jewish people at a Jewish religious festival.
29:58
Speaker 1: She made that comment. When the isis brides came back,
30:02
Speaker 1: she wasn't even.
30:03
Speaker 9: There at the press conference to lead the charge against
30:06
Speaker 9: what the AFP were doing. She sent an assistant commissioner.
30:09
Speaker 9: She didn't even send a deputy commissioner. So we have
30:11
Speaker 9: a commissioner deputy commissioner ignored. We'll just send an assistant
30:15
Speaker 9: Commissioner to represent the AFP.
30:17
Speaker 1: This is appalling leadership.
30:19
Speaker 9: However, when it comes to Ben Robert Smith, when it's
30:22
Speaker 9: something that won't upset the Muslim vote, then suddenly she's
30:26
Speaker 9: happy to sit up there and make a press conference
30:28
Speaker 9: and read out every single allegation. I think that we
30:31
Speaker 9: are suffering from anept woke stain through the Australian Federal
30:36
Speaker 9: Government and the Australian Federal Police particularly.
30:40
Speaker 2: Just quickly, I want to get a comment from you,
30:42
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott to discuss this with me. Last night, the
30:45
Speaker 2: revelations that there has been this retrospective change to the
30:51
Speaker 2: I guess legal pillars in order to be able to
30:55
Speaker 2: charge someone with a war crime. He said, it's very concerning,
30:59
Speaker 2: concerning for obviously one of the soldiers impacted that we
31:02
Speaker 2: know about, but also the case to come for Ben
31:05
Speaker 2: Robert Smith.
31:05
Speaker 3: What did you make of that.
31:08
Speaker 9: Well, it's appalling that it's going to be retrospective. I
31:10
Speaker 9: can understand why they made the change because.
31:12
Speaker 1: It's very ver very difficult to prove.
31:14
Speaker 9: However, it was only changed two years ago in twenty
31:18
Speaker 9: twenty four, when the active investigation into Ben Robert Smith
31:22
Speaker 9: was going on. So it's like changing the goalposts. As
31:25
Speaker 9: we've spoken about before, Peter, before you go to a
31:29
Speaker 9: war zone, the rules of engagement and the legalities of
31:32
Speaker 9: the or engagement are explained very carefully, and they would
31:35
Speaker 9: have been explained within the context of the law as
31:37
Speaker 9: it was at the time. You can't send people over
31:40
Speaker 9: on under one law. They come back and then you say, oh,
31:43
Speaker 9: we've just changed the law. Now it's easy to prove
31:44
Speaker 9: that you're guilty of an offense that wouldn't have existed
31:47
Speaker 9: under the previous law.
31:48
Speaker 1: It's simply unt Australian, not fair.
31:51
Speaker 3: You're not wrong there, David Craig, thank you.
31:54
Speaker 2: Right to the break, after the break the UK, I
31:57
Speaker 2: tell you what, there's a big show of support in
32:00
Speaker 2: London for Cell Grover and some difficult times for Julia
32:03
Speaker 2: Gillard as well across to London in a moment. But
32:10
Speaker 2: I want to get to that decision today from the
32:12
Speaker 2: Energy Regulator releasing its final determination when it comes to
32:15
Speaker 2: power prices and potentially some welcome us here. With prices
32:20
Speaker 2: across most states we're told expected to fall, but this
32:24
Speaker 2: is the big if here the price reductions are scaled
32:27
Speaker 2: back from what we're proposed in March meaning the chance
32:30
Speaker 2: you'll get some meaningful bill relief is pretty slim. Joining
32:35
Speaker 2: me now the director of Energy Research at the Center
32:38
Speaker 2: for Independent Studies, Aidan Morrison. Okay, well you're the expert here.
32:42
Speaker 2: Aiden lots of promises from Chris Bowen and the government.
32:46
Speaker 2: We have a very high draft number, then they come
32:49
Speaker 2: down a little bit. Are we out in the ground
32:53
Speaker 2: going to see cheaper electricity?
32:57
Speaker 12: Look, I think there's a possibility there will be a
32:58
Speaker 12: slight reduction coming very soon. That's because the wholesale price
33:04
Speaker 12: it has come back a little bit, it has eased off.
33:07
Speaker 12: That may not last. There is always the possibility that
33:10
Speaker 12: we have very very high priced spikes that has not disappeared.
33:13
Speaker 12: And in fact some of the benefits we've seen could
33:16
Speaker 12: have been because we've had the coal fleet performing relatively
33:19
Speaker 12: well and we've decided to push back a major coal
33:21
Speaker 12: fired power station's closure in a Raing in New South Wales.
33:24
Speaker 12: So at the moment we haven't really moved the needle.
33:28
Speaker 12: Not a lot of new renewable energy has been added. Actually,
33:30
Speaker 12: it's been mostly batteries that have helped to smooth a
33:33
Speaker 12: little bit off the peaks recently. But i'd hasten to add, though, Peter,
33:37
Speaker 12: that a large part of this announcement is not actually
33:39
Speaker 12: going to necessarily describe what happens to your bills, because
33:43
Speaker 12: there's been a huge section of methodology changes, basically at
33:48
Speaker 12: Chris Bowen's request, that have been inserted into this latest
33:51
Speaker 12: default market offer, and they have basically put the screws
33:54
Speaker 12: in to tighten the margins on retailers and make this
33:57
Speaker 12: more about like a simple barebones cost of service, as
34:02
Speaker 12: though this is just a safety net, an essential service
34:05
Speaker 12: to be provided. So there's been a lot of screen
34:09
Speaker 12: and all the margins on, all the way that retailers
34:12
Speaker 12: would normally be able to run a business has been
34:14
Speaker 12: pushed down to a bare bones safety net only, which
34:17
Speaker 12: lots of consumers are actually not on this type of deal,
34:20
Speaker 12: so it may not affect the bills we actually pay
34:24
Speaker 12: as much as we're expecting.
34:27
Speaker 2: There you go, you've pulled apart the smoke and mirrors
34:29
Speaker 2: game from Chris Bowen, because if you listen to him
34:32
Speaker 2: today in question timing, have everyone believe it's because we've
34:35
Speaker 2: got all this extra wind and all this extra solar
34:39
Speaker 2: into the system, which he says, of course is cheap
34:42
Speaker 2: basically free doesn't tell us about how we get it
34:44
Speaker 2: to market, all the transmission lines and everything else.
34:49
Speaker 3: What about this vision.
34:50
Speaker 2: We've seen really serious safety incidents in relation to snowy
34:55
Speaker 2: two point zero. We've got an outer control excavator here,
34:58
Speaker 2: We've got a dump truck hanging off a cliff. I mean,
35:02
Speaker 2: this is it'd almost say it's a cursed project.
35:07
Speaker 12: Look, it's a really good question. I mean these are
35:10
Speaker 12: sort of leaked videos. It's hard to know sort of
35:13
Speaker 12: how serious is the trend or what's happened behind here.
35:15
Speaker 12: You would have thought this would be a very tightly
35:18
Speaker 12: pinned down and highly unionized, frankly work site where everything
35:22
Speaker 12: would be extremely cautious and very much done properly. So
35:28
Speaker 12: at the moment, the government is just not telling us
35:30
Speaker 12: anything about what it's going to cost. They've said it's
35:32
Speaker 12: north of twelve billion for that project on its own,
35:35
Speaker 12: and an enormous amount more for the transmission to connect it.
35:39
Speaker 12: So whilst we've got all sorts of news coming out
35:42
Speaker 12: of there and no confirmation on what the actual new
35:45
Speaker 12: cost is going to be, it just seems like a
35:48
Speaker 12: project that is Yeah, I think it is a huge
35:52
Speaker 12: sort of emblem of our regret in the renewable energy
35:54
Speaker 12: transition to rush into these things without any clear idea
35:57
Speaker 12: about where the costs and the risks lie and where
36:00
Speaker 12: it's going to lead us in the long run.
36:03
Speaker 2: Well as well as breaking the Liberal Party certainly for
36:06
Speaker 2: a period of time there. This is the legacy of
36:08
Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull.
36:09
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Aiden.
36:11
Speaker 2: I will mention right now snowy two point zero, all
36:13
Speaker 2: the officials involved in their project are in Senate estimates.
36:18
Speaker 3: It's pretty testy.
36:19
Speaker 2: We'll have some more to tell you about what they've
36:21
Speaker 2: said tomorrow night. Let's go now and go to London.
36:24
Speaker 2: Not just Australian pressure on the Federal government to amend
36:28
Speaker 2: the sex discrimination legislation, putting back in the definitions of
36:32
Speaker 2: male and female, not just here in Australia, their support
36:36
Speaker 2: for cl Grover in London as well. A big protest
36:40
Speaker 2: held outside our High Commission on the strand it's called
36:43
Speaker 2: Australia House here to discuss it. A more Skynies contributor
36:47
Speaker 2: News Corps European correspondent so fe Ellsworth, Well, so, as
36:53
Speaker 2: I said at Australia House in London, I love some
36:55
Speaker 2: of those signs.
36:56
Speaker 3: You keep your Digititido out of my loop. They're going
37:01
Speaker 3: pretty hard in support of cel Grover. What can you tell.
37:04
Speaker 16: Us, well, they are indeed, Peter, we saw that protest
37:09
Speaker 16: at the front of Australia House on the weekend and
37:12
Speaker 16: that was just one of many occasions where women here
37:15
Speaker 16: in the UK are throwing their support behind cel Grover. Now,
37:19
Speaker 16: I was in Wales last night at the Hay Festival,
37:23
Speaker 16: a very prestigious writers festival here in the UK, where
37:27
Speaker 16: Julia Gillard was speaking, and there were no quite time
37:31
Speaker 16: for questions.
37:31
Speaker 17: From the crowd, which was unusual.
37:35
Speaker 16: This normally happens at these events, and it disgruntled one
37:38
Speaker 16: of the attendees who held up a sign and said
37:41
Speaker 16: that Julia Gillard is a destroyer of women's rights after
37:47
Speaker 16: this cl Grover case handed down, because as we know,
37:50
Speaker 16: she removed the meaning of biological male and female from
37:55
Speaker 16: the Sex Discrimination Act. So there's people here in the
37:57
Speaker 16: UK throwing their support Pete behind Seal Grover.
38:01
Speaker 17: But this attendee, this.
38:03
Speaker 16: Heckler at the Y Festival, was shut down pretty quickly
38:08
Speaker 16: by the organizer and received a lot of booze, as
38:11
Speaker 16: you expect from a crowd that was very supportive of
38:14
Speaker 16: Julia Gillard, and they spoke about that misogyny speech that
38:17
Speaker 16: we all know too well about.
38:19
Speaker 17: So it was very interesting, Peter, Ah.
38:24
Speaker 2: That old misogynist speech, the misogyny speech where she was
38:27
Speaker 2: defending the indefensible. She was defending her speaker at the time,
38:32
Speaker 2: who used a lot of really gross language to disguise
38:36
Speaker 2: female genitalia. And Gillard is a political warhorse. Rather than
38:42
Speaker 2: defending indefensible, she went on the attack to an after
38:45
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott. But I think her form in relation to
38:48
Speaker 2: this legislation and the definition of women is her real legacy,
38:51
Speaker 2: and she's being really tagged by this. And I will
38:54
Speaker 2: have to say that following that Supreme Court decision in
38:57
Speaker 2: the UK about a firm the biological sex matters, you've
39:03
Speaker 2: got the labor government over there with kiss Arma locking
39:06
Speaker 2: in that women have a right to separate sports, separate toilets,
39:10
Speaker 2: and separate places like the health facilities, women's shelters and prisons.
39:16
Speaker 3: Yet labor here is backward.
39:21
Speaker 16: Well, Peter, I spoke to many former British female athletes here,
39:26
Speaker 16: including a swimmer Sharon Davies and sailor Tracy Edwards, and
39:31
Speaker 16: they were really upset by the case with cell Grover.
39:35
Speaker 16: They spoke to me in detail last week about this
39:38
Speaker 16: at Westminster and said it's really quite appalling and quite
39:41
Speaker 16: frightening what's happening in Australia that women's spaces are not
39:45
Speaker 16: being protected solely for biological women. They're deeply concerned about this.
39:51
Speaker 16: So I can assure you there are a lot of
39:53
Speaker 16: women here in the UK very supportive of cell Grover
39:57
Speaker 16: and her mission and very distressed by what they are
40:00
Speaker 16: seeing that it is happening in Australia.
40:04
Speaker 2: Keep it up, keep it up first, so if this
40:06
Speaker 2: stuff is really important, to keep the pressure on the
40:08
Speaker 2: government here in Australia and to keep it up in
40:11
Speaker 2: the headlines.
40:11
Speaker 3: Thank you.
40:12
Speaker 2: All right, after break, there's some internal rumblings inside the
40:16
Speaker 2: Coalition over the tough stance by Angus Taylor on non
40:20
Speaker 2: citizens being allowed to access welfare and Labour's home deposit scheme.
40:26
Speaker 2: I tell you there's a real problem that the economists
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Speaker 2: have picked up my panels up next. All right, We've
40:37
Speaker 2: just spoken to our reporter at Melbourne's Tullamarine Airport. It
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Speaker 2: would appear we're waiting confirmation, but it would appear that
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Speaker 2: the women who arrive there and we know it is
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Speaker 2: two adults and seven children have been taken out and
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Speaker 2: into the public. They have left without any attention from
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Speaker 2: the media. It would be obviously with the support of
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Speaker 2: official in some way. And this will include the woman
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Speaker 2: I referenced at the top of the show, Kirsty ross Emil,
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Speaker 2: a woman whose father said went very deliberately to join
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Speaker 2: Islamic state. That's the father's view, and she has posted
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Speaker 2: stuff in the past and this is verified by an
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Speaker 2: ABC program last year on her Facebook, which is very
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Speaker 2: problematic I think in Australia comments including things like in
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Speaker 2: July twenty twelve that ghat is the only solution. Well,
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Speaker 2: she is back in Australia now and it would appear
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Speaker 2: that she has not suffered any charges or arrest. Let's
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Speaker 2: go down to niggles over the collations migrant policy with
41:41
Speaker 2: reports at a Sydney MP a liberal former Scott Morrison
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Speaker 2: ally Alex Hawk, is concerned that restricting welfare to citizens
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Speaker 2: only is something that has got MP's worried. He says
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Speaker 2: he wants it revised. He thinks it's been misunderstood in
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Speaker 2: migrant communities. He told the City mon Herald. It hasn't
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Speaker 2: been run by colleagues or come to the party room.
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Speaker 2: People are hoping the policy is developed into something more
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Speaker 2: positive rather than attacking workers. Let's not forget, of course
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Speaker 2: Alex Hawk was holding the strings while Susan Lee was
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Speaker 2: in the top job. Well that ended well, didn't it?
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Speaker 3: Mate?
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in my power on your Southwales
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Speaker 2: send itor for one nation Sean Bell and Liberal MP
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Speaker 2: Tony Passon. Well, Tony, I reckon about the only good
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Speaker 2: policy you've had in the values of migration sense beyond,
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Speaker 2: I think a good position on the economy is you
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Speaker 2: finally grasped the netle on migration and we are not,
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Speaker 2: if you are elected, going to give welfare to people
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Speaker 2: who are not Australian citizens. About time. So what on
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Speaker 2: earth is Alex Hawk smoking?
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Speaker 7: Well, I'm not ready to speak on behalf of Alex,
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Speaker 7: but I can tell you there's absolutely no appetite for
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Speaker 7: those views. The sense overwhelmingly amongst colleagues is that this
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Speaker 7: is a policy that is on point that Australians are
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Speaker 7: surprised that seventeen or so welfare payments are available to
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Speaker 7: non citizens. Now I can understand Alex's frustration because labor. Predictably,
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Speaker 7: the Party of miss and Information, or at least SCARE campaigns,
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Speaker 7: has rushed out to migrant communities. Desperate to distract from
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Speaker 7: a budget which sees high taxes and confirms that the
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister lie to the Australian people, are spreading those
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Speaker 7: lies amongst Mirgrant communities and some of that is feeding
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Speaker 7: back to us. The truth is they're desperate for a
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Speaker 7: distraction and the reality is that these provisions are grandfathered
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Speaker 7: and so Mirgarant communities themselves that are speaking to me
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Speaker 7: are as surprised as anyone else in Australia that non
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Speaker 7: citizens are receiving these payments and understand the core of
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Speaker 7: this principle, which is when people want to commit to Australia,
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Speaker 7: Australia will commit to them. It makes perfect sense to
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Speaker 7: me and for we're not for shifting on this one.
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Speaker 2: Peter Well, I guess i'd say to Alex Hawk, if
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Speaker 2: you're struggling to get your message hurt, or you're worried
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Speaker 2: it's not being distributed clearly enough, Alex, get out there,
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Speaker 2: get amongst it and sell the message. Because I think
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Speaker 2: Sean Bell, the vast majority of Australians would say, if
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Speaker 2: we're paying taxes to fund quite a significant safety and
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Speaker 2: welfare in it in this country, then that should only
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Speaker 2: be allowed to be given to Australians.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, Peter.
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Speaker 18: I mean one nation is very lucky in that our
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Speaker 18: party is completely united on our stance that comes to
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Speaker 18: putting Australians first, and when it comes to who should
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Speaker 18: receive welfare, it's very simple. It should be Australian citizens first.
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Speaker 18: We have too many people doing it tough, too many
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Speaker 18: people doing it tough during.
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Speaker 1: A cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 18: You know, we've got people who are been forced to
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Speaker 18: sleep in cars, out on the street, struggling everyday paycheck
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Speaker 18: for paycheck, and they are rightfully upset when they find
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Speaker 18: out that we have large number of non citizens who
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Speaker 18: are receiving all sorts of welfare benefits while they are
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Speaker 18: just struggling to get by.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to housing.
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Speaker 2: This is a real worry tiny passon Labor's under fire
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Speaker 2: because of their five percent first home buyer's scheme, and
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. Because there's already been a significant
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Speaker 2: drop in property value. Some are saying it could be
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Speaker 2: as much as ten percent. Now that doesn't hit young
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Speaker 2: home buyers, it's going to hit everybody. I think every
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Speaker 2: Australian will cranky if the value of their homes go backwards.
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Speaker 2: But in the case of these young people with just
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Speaker 2: a five percent deposit buying in, they could end up
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Speaker 2: with a home where they owe more than what it's worth.
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Speaker 2: That's a big concern.
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Speaker 7: Of course, it is because negative equity is a real thing.
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Speaker 7: People perhaps think that property just goes up and up,
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Speaker 7: and perhaps over the very long time it might, but
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Speaker 7: in the medium to short term there are ships shifts
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Speaker 7: in the market. And of course Labor expanded this scheme
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Speaker 7: in October, meaning that in let's say Sydney, a young
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Speaker 7: person can buy a property up to one point five
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Speaker 7: million dollars with a five percent deposit. Now, if since
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Speaker 7: October the market has shifted back ten percent, or if
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Speaker 7: it shifts back ten or twenty percent going forward, but
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Speaker 7: let's take ten percent, then not only have they lost
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Speaker 7: their five percent deposit, but they're also seventy five thousand
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Speaker 7: dollars worse off than had they not entered into that arrangement.
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Speaker 1: This is a real risk.
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Speaker 7: You know, Labor want to talk about Australians getting into
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Speaker 7: their first home. But there's a real risk if this
46:44
Speaker 7: is not calibrated properly, or if we intervene in the
46:48
Speaker 7: housing market and these ways in a shock, as the
46:51
Speaker 7: Prime Minister has the lead up to this budget, that
46:54
Speaker 7: we end up with young Australians where the bank owns
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Speaker 7: one hundred and five percent their home, for example, and
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Speaker 7: that would be a horrible outcome and we'll just impose
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Speaker 7: incredible stress on these young people. It's the reason why
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Speaker 7: traditionally banks have required larger deposits, so you've got that
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Speaker 7: kind of buffer to ensure you're not in that negative
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Speaker 7: equity scenario.
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Speaker 3: Let's go down and down.
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Speaker 2: To Victoria if I can show on because I know
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Speaker 2: One Nation is going to have a big push into
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Speaker 2: Victoria ahead of the November state election. You've got eleven
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Speaker 2: of Victoria's biggest infrastructure projects. I mean we're including here
47:34
Speaker 2: the suburban rail loop, the Northeast Link. But now the
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Speaker 2: subject of fifty six separate allegations of fraud, corruption and
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Speaker 2: criminal behavior, the Premier today danced around the issue.
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Speaker 19: What I have been clear is where there is evidence,
47:53
Speaker 19: where there is evidence that evidence or where there is evidence,
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Speaker 19: and let's remember that it is important to allow the
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Speaker 19: police to do their investigative work. Allegations of criminal behavior
48:05
Speaker 19: must be taken seriously.
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Speaker 2: Okay, she was the minister for all the years that
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Speaker 2: this was done under labor. Now she's the premier in
48:14
Speaker 2: charge of the whole box and shooting match. She can't
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Speaker 2: just duck shove this away and pretend it's nothing to
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Speaker 2: do with her.
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Speaker 3: Just talk to the police.
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Speaker 2: I mean, these are very very serious allegations and we're
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Speaker 2: talking about fifteen billion dollars shorn.
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Speaker 18: And this is a classic example of state and federal
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Speaker 18: labor working hand in hand to deliver not for the
48:37
Speaker 18: Australian people but for their mates. Because if we all recall,
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Speaker 18: one of the first things the Albaneze labor government did
48:42
Speaker 18: when they got elected was to remove some of the
48:44
Speaker 18: safeguards against this kind of corruption. Now was find evidence.
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Speaker 18: And so what we've also got is a labor government
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Speaker 18: federally who can't find money for a project like the
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Speaker 18: Inland Rail which deliver huge benefits to the country, but
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Speaker 18: they can take federal money and funnel it towards these
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Speaker 18: projects in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: And so when you're.
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Speaker 18: Seeing the government go, we want some of your bank
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Speaker 18: check We want some of your paycheck because we're up
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Speaker 18: in taxes. Everyone needs to realize this is where it's going,
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Speaker 18: not into the projects that are going to deliver the
49:13
Speaker 18: most benefit for Australians, but to the projects that are
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Speaker 18: going to deliver the most benefit for Labour's mates.
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Speaker 3: We'll leave that there. He's Andrew Bolt.