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Twelve Days Out · David Pollack Primetime

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Speaker 1: In just 12 days, you're going to decide who runs
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Speaker 1: the House, who runs the Senate. And border states are
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Speaker 1: going to get to decide whether the last two years
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Speaker 1: of immigration enforcement get undone. THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ALREADY TOLD
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Speaker 1: YOU WHAT UNDONE LOOKS LIKE. YOU SEE THIS? LAST WEEK
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Speaker 1: A MAN STOOD UP AT AN EVENT WITH HOUSE DEMOCRATIC
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Speaker 1: LEADER HAKIM TEMU OBAMA JEFFRIES AND ASKED HIM STRAIGHT OUT,
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Speaker 1: WILL A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS BRING BACK PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
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Speaker 1: DEPORTED TO THIRD COUNTRIES? This is the man who wants
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Speaker 1: the speaker's gavel. Listen to his answer.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that we've done in this Congress
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Speaker 2: is continue to make clear that Donald Trump's violent mass
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Speaker 2: deportation machine does not get a dime. And it does
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Speaker 2: not get a dime because it's inconsistent with the American
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Speaker 2: values that have made our country exceptional. There's a lot
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Speaker 2: of repair work that is going to have to be
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Speaker 2: done to correct the injustices that have been inflicted on
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Speaker 2: the American people and on law-abiding immigrant families, and we're
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Speaker 2: prepared to do that work.
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Speaker 1: Repair work? He was even asked whether Democrats would bring
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Speaker 1: back people who've already been deported. He didn't say no.
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Speaker 1: He called enforcement of our own immigration laws as violent
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Speaker 1: mass deportation. And he said they're prepared to do the work.
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Speaker 1: Think about what he is saying. We are 12 days out.
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Speaker 1: And the pitch is to defund border enforcement and bring
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Speaker 1: these people back. SO WHERE DO THINGS ACTUALLY STAND? HOW
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Speaker 1: CLOSE ARE WE FROM UNDOING PRESIDENT TRUMP'S HISTORIC SUCCESS ON
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Speaker 1: THE BORDER? HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO THROWING OPEN THE
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Speaker 1: DOOR TO DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST POLICIES AND BLOCKING PRESIDENT TRUMP'S AGENDA
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Speaker 1: FOR THE REST OF HIS TERM? WELL, IN THE SENATE,
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Speaker 1: REPUBLICANS HOLD 53 SEATS. DEMOCRATS NEED A NET GAIN OF FOUR.
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Speaker 1: And six of them are Republican seats, Alaska, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Ohio,
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Speaker 1: and Texas. The seventh is Michigan, where Democrats are defending
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Speaker 1: an open seat with Abdul Mohamed El-Saeed, a Bernie Sanders-endorsed
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Speaker 1: candidate whose sister supports the Muslim Brotherhood, running on Medicare
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Speaker 1: for all. Texas, early voting started Monday, and one poll
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Speaker 1: has Ken Paxson up a single point, while another has James,
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Speaker 1: where in the world are you, Tallarico, up two. That's
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Speaker 1: a coin flip. And Texas, let's hope Democrat voters do
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Speaker 1: what James Tallarico did and just simply not show up.
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Speaker 1: House is closer than that. Democrats need a net gain
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Speaker 1: of just three seats. And the forecasters are already writing
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Speaker 1: the obituary. Now the same forecasters went into 2020 expecting
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Speaker 1: Democrats to grow their House majority. Democrats lost seats instead.
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Speaker 1: I'm hoping for a similar result this cycle. And look
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Speaker 1: at what is in a forecast. Cook's own analysts report
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Speaker 1: that Republicans have the financial edge in almost every single
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Speaker 1: competitive Senate state. The president says his political operation will
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Speaker 1: spend more than $ 400 million by Election Day, and five
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Speaker 1: governor's races are now rated pure toss-ups, Georgia, Nevada, Ohio, Kansas,
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Speaker 1: and Wisconsin. In Arizona, Katie Hobbs is trying to hang
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Speaker 1: on against Andy Biggs, which is exactly why Arizona's 5th
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Speaker 1: District has an open seat. IT'S NOT A REFERENDUM ON
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Speaker 1: GAS PRICES OR THE WAR IN IRAN. IT'S A DECISION
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Speaker 1: ABOUT WHETHER THE PEOPLE WHO CALLED BORDER ENFORCEMENT INHUMANE GET
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Speaker 1: THE VOTES TO UNWIND IT. IT'S A VOTE ABOUT WHETHER
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Speaker 1: THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WILL OR WHETHER THEY'LL DOMINATE THE
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Speaker 1: FAKE NEWS WITH INVESTIGATIONS, IMPEACHMENTS AND PROSECUTIONS. IT'S A VOTE
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Speaker 1: ABOUT WHETHER DEMOCRATS WILL HAVE THE VOTE TO STOP THE
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Speaker 1: FILIBUSTER WITH A SIMPLE MAJORITY IN THE SENATE AND ENACT
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Speaker 1: WHATEVER RADICAL LEGISLATION THEY SO DESIRE. IT'S A VOTE ABOUT
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Speaker 1: WHETHER CHAOS AND GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS WILL I'M NOT GOING TO
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Speaker 1: TALK ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
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Speaker 1: WHILE THEY SIT THERE AND BLAME REPUBLICANS, AKEEM JEFFRIES TOLD
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Speaker 1: YOU EXACTLY WHAT HE WOULD DO WITH THE GAVEL. NOW
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Speaker 1: YOU HAVE THE CHOICE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT
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Speaker 1: TO HAND IT TO HIM. FORMER PENAL COUNTY SHERIFF MARK LAM,
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Speaker 1: REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FROM CONGRESS IN ARIZONA'S FIFTH DISTRICT. Stakes could
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Speaker 1: not be higher. I'm feeling pretty good, though. I'm not
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Speaker 1: following the fake news. I'm not a doomer gloomer. I'm
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Speaker 1: optimistic that we're going to do good, but people have
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Speaker 1: to show up and vote Republican up and down the ticket.
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Speaker 1: What do you think?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think you're exactly right, David.
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Speaker 4: First of all, the fact that Hakeem Jeffries would insinuate
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Speaker 4: that our country is exceptional only because people came here illegally,
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Speaker 4: people with a 65 average IQ or people that couldn't
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Speaker 4: make it in their own third world.
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Speaker 3: Countries, so they came to ours.
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Speaker 4: The fact that he would insinuate that that's what makes
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Speaker 4: our country exceptional is disrespectful to families like mine who
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Speaker 4: came on the Mayflower, who have built such a beautiful
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Speaker 4: country that these people want to come to illegally.
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Speaker 3: So shame on him.
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Speaker 4: The American way is one of hard work.
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Speaker 3: And building and freedom and all of that.
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Speaker 4: And the Democrats do not believe in this. They also
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Speaker 4: believe in open borders, which you've so well put. This
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Speaker 4: is what they want to bring back. Hakeem Jeffries, the
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Speaker 4: leader of it, they want to bring back these open borders.
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Speaker 4: And Arizona is ground zero for a lot of that.
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Speaker 4: We have a really important.
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Speaker 3: Race ahead of us. But I'm like you, David. I'm
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Speaker 3: an optimist.
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Speaker 4: I think the polls are garbage. I think they want
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Speaker 4: to keep Republicans at home. Their goal is that Republicans
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Speaker 4: don't vote Democrat. Their goal is that Republicans don't leave
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Speaker 4: out their house to vote. And that is where we
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Speaker 4: may or may not lose. We're going to win if
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Speaker 4: everybody shows up and votes. Even if most of us
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Speaker 4: show up and vote, we're still.
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Speaker 3: Going to win.
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Speaker 4: What we cannot have IS REPUBLICANS SITTING THIS ELECTION OUT?
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Speaker 3: IT IS TOO IMPORTANT.
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Speaker 1: BROKEN BORDERS, OPEN BORDERS, MORE.
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Speaker 4: TAXES, LESS FREEDOM, ALL OF THAT IS ON THE LINE.
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Speaker 3: YOU'VE GOT TO VOTE.
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Speaker 1: YEAH, AND IT'S NOT JUST POLICY THAT'S ON THE LINE.
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Speaker 1: THERE'S A BIGGER PLAY HERE, TOO. IF WE ARE TO
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Speaker 1: LOSE THE HOUSE, AND IF IT'S NOT CLOSE, THERE ARE
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Speaker 1: A LOT OF REPUBLICANS who have been sidelined by this president,
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Speaker 1: the Chris Christie's of the world, the Nikki Haley's of
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Speaker 1: the world, the Mitt Romney's of the world, the Mike
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Speaker 1: Pence's of the world, even maybe possibly the Bush's, who
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Speaker 1: are sitting back hoping, hoping that this thing doesn't go
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Speaker 1: MAGA's way. Because then there becomes an opportunity to go
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Speaker 1: and blame Trump for losing the House. And when his
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Speaker 1: agenda doesn't get passed and the Democrats start impeachments and
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Speaker 1: prosecutions and investigations and defunding the government, and we all
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Speaker 1: sit here in a state of chaos, You'll have Republicans
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Speaker 1: sitting back abandoning Trump, treating him like a lame duck. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: this establishment swamp that we've put on the sidelines will
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Speaker 1: come back more motivated than ever. So we're fighting socialists
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Speaker 1: on one side and we're fighting an establishment that we
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Speaker 1: fought so hard to beat on the other. That is
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Speaker 1: what's at stake here besides just America itself, right?
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Speaker 3: You're exactly right.
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Speaker 4: And this is why patriots like myself who care more
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Speaker 4: about America and the American people than we do about
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Speaker 4: the Republican or the Democrat Party. This is about those
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Speaker 4: who love this country and who want freedom and who
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Speaker 4: love God and the Constitution and who believe in families.
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Speaker 4: This is what's on the line. And then there's those
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Speaker 4: who don't. And that's the other side. That's Democrats. They
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Speaker 4: They tell you things like they can't tell you the
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Speaker 4: difference between a man and a woman. I mean, and
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Speaker 4: then you've got Republicans in the Senate who basically have
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Speaker 4: been an impediment to President Trump and.
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Speaker 3: His agenda as well.
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Speaker 4: So we've got a lot of really great candidates trying
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Speaker 4: to make it onto this into the House, and I
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Speaker 4: think will probably hold the Senate.
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Speaker 3: But I am optimistic.
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Speaker 5: I think we're actually going to hold the House.
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Speaker 4: But I'm really pleading with Republicans, put aside your anger,
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Speaker 4: put aside your frustration.
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Speaker 3: You have to get out and vote.
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Speaker 4: This election is so important, because like you said, it's
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Speaker 4: not just Democrats and socialists waiting in the wings. It
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Speaker 4: is Republicans, it is socialists and bad government disguised as
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Speaker 4: Republicans also waiting in the wings.
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Speaker 1: Right, Sheriff Lamb. And I think you're going to do
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Speaker 1: an amazing job. I'm really excited for your race. Good
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Speaker 1: luck to you, my friend. Keep fighting and we'll see
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Speaker 1: you in Washington.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, brother. It's good to see you again.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Coming up, 10 years ago, California voters were
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Speaker 1: sold to promise legalized pot and organized crime goes away.
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Speaker 1: Now a sheriff up by the Oregon border says organized
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Speaker 1: crime is actually running the show with makeshift greenhouses and
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Speaker 1: banned pesticides, deeds that spack out of the county. California
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Speaker 1: might love its pot, but apparently so does organized crime.
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Speaker 1: Ah, California, the land of avocados and abs, blondes and beaches.
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Speaker 1: Basically everything the Beach Boys used to sing about. And
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Speaker 1: along that sandy shoreline, it's easy to notice how the
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Speaker 1: sweet scent of coconut oil and sea spray has been
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Speaker 1: replaced with the skunky stench of sativa. Yep, California, they
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Speaker 1: seem to love their pot. And 10 years ago, California
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Speaker 1: voters were sold the promise that legal marijuana would bring
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Speaker 1: regulation in tax revenue and push organized crime out of
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Speaker 1: the business. Today, in Siskiyou County, right up against the
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Speaker 1: Oregon border, the sheriff says organized crime is running the business.
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Speaker 1: So follow this drive into the hills there, and you'll
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Speaker 1: see hoop houses by the thousands. Those are these little
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Speaker 1: makeshift greenhouses with hooped PVC and plastic sheeting. It looks
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Speaker 1: about as third world as it sounds. A county grand
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Speaker 1: jury counted roughly 5,000 large-scale grow sites. The sheriff estimates
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Speaker 1: there could be as many as 7,000 illegal growers in
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Speaker 1: one subdivision alone. That's about one in five people in
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Speaker 1: the entire county 2025, his deputies pulled more than 330,000
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Speaker 1: plants and seized more than 54,000 pounds of marijuana. And
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Speaker 1: this isn't harmless backyard weed either. Investigators found banned pesticides
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Speaker 1: with foreign language labels at more than 8 in 10
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Speaker 1: rated sites. The county board voted unanimously to declare a
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Speaker 1: local emergency. And the people doing the raids have paid
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Speaker 1: for it.
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Speaker 7: These gangs use pesticides filled with Chinese superchemicals. LaRue's deputies
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Speaker 7: have suffered chemical burns. Dogs have been poisoned to death.
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Speaker 7: And they even had to call out the National Guard's
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Speaker 7: Weapons of Mass Destruction Unit.
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Speaker 1: Who's behind it? Sheriff Jeremiah LaRue says around 60% of
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Speaker 1: the growers in that subdivision are Chinese. AND HE SAYS
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Speaker 1: SOME OPERATIONS HAVE ASSOCIATIONS WITH CHINESE ORGANIZED CRIME, THE TRIADS,
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Speaker 1: AND SOME LINK BACK TO COMMUNIST CHINA ITSELF. WHEN INVESTIGATORS
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Speaker 1: TRACE THE DEEDS, THE PROPERTIES RUN BACK TO OUT-OF-COUNTY OWNERS
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Speaker 1: THROUGH WHAT'S BEEN CALLED A SHELL GAME OF NAMES, AND
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Speaker 1: THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE. In 2018, the FBI and DEA
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Speaker 1: in Sacramento took down a network that was wiring money
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Speaker 1: from China's Fujian province to straw buyers, and they moved
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Speaker 1: to seize more than 100 houses. So what's Sacramento's answer?
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Speaker 1: Governor Newsom's statewide cannabis task force has made about 100
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Speaker 1: arrests since 2022. 100 across the state in four years.
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Speaker 1: The Siskiyou County Sheriff's Office made 118 arrests last year
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Speaker 1: by itself. And in California, illegal cultivation is generally a misdemeanor.
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Speaker 1: If you're a foreign syndicate... What exactly is the deterrent?
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Speaker 1: This week, a Northern California congressman sent a letter to
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Speaker 1: the FBI. It sent it to Kash Patel asking for
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Speaker 1: a joint federal investigation, including any federal or foreign ties
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Speaker 1: and who's financing a coordination with ICE on removals and
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Speaker 1: a look at how banned chemicals are getting into the
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Speaker 1: country at all. Was foreign money behind this? The sheriff
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Speaker 1: thinks so. Finding out it's precisely the FBI's job, California
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Speaker 1: legalized marijuana, to drive organized crime out of business. In
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Speaker 1: Siskiyou County, organized crime moved in and bought it. Do
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean now? Congressman James Gallagher, Republican
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Speaker 1: of California's 1st District. Congressman, welcome to David Pollak Prime Time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is exactly the opposite reason why you
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Speaker 1: legalize drugs, right? I mean, they're still doing the illegal thing,
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Speaker 1: whether it's legal or not.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think you've covered it pretty well.
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Speaker 8: I mean, out here in California, exactly. They said, hey, well,
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Speaker 8: let's legalize and make recreational use of marijuana legal in California.
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Speaker 8: And of course, they promised all those things, like you said.
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Speaker 8: And what we ran into is a couple of things. One,
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Speaker 8: you know, a lot of the marijuana grows and dispensaries
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Speaker 8: that went legal soon discovered that California taxes you way
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Speaker 8: too much.
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Speaker 3: And a lot of them have complained about the high.
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Speaker 8: Taxes and regulations in California and the illicit market continued
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Speaker 8: to blossom and grew even more. And as you've seen,
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Speaker 8: you know, we have a lot of these now illegal
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Speaker 8: grows that are out in the rural parts of California,
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Speaker 8: especially in my district and Siskiyou County, Lassen County, many
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Speaker 8: of the Northern counties. And what we see is, is
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Speaker 8: a lot of them are backed by cartel, you know,
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Speaker 8: In this case, China, there's a lot of evidence that
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Speaker 8: China is backing a lot of this.
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Speaker 3: There's human trafficking.
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Speaker 8: Going on, you know, bringing people out there to, you know,
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Speaker 8: cover these grows, to protect these grows. It's a huge
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Speaker 8: criminal element. And all of the burden has fallen on
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Speaker 8: local law enforcement to, you know, take care of this.
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Speaker 8: They've gotten very little support, you know, from the state
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Speaker 8: and sheriffs like Sheriff LaRue in Siskiyou County have, have,
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Speaker 8: you know, called me and said, hey, we need some help.
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Speaker 8: You know, we need some help with this.
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Speaker 3: This is ridiculous.
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Speaker 8: This, of course, is all the result of bad policy,
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Speaker 8: but we can do something about it by getting greater
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Speaker 8: enforcement and saying.
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Speaker 3: That, hey, we are no longer going to allow this.
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Speaker 8: It also helps us go after, it continues the mission
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Speaker 8: of this administration to go after transnational gangs who are
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Speaker 8: plaguing our communities and to stop China, you know, from
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Speaker 8: this increased influence. I mean, we saw that they were
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Speaker 8: having grow houses and in single family homes, you know,
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Speaker 8: and that's where you got some of those stats and
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Speaker 8: they traced it back to these shell companies that linked
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Speaker 8: back to China. Let's get on top of this issue.
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Speaker 8: And that was the impetus for my letter to Kash Patel,
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Speaker 8: who has.
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Speaker 3: Been doing a great job.
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Speaker 8: And, you know, now I think can really put a
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Speaker 8: focus on that. That is our hope is that they
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Speaker 8: can put a real focus on going after, you know,
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Speaker 8: these transnational gangs that are running these marijuana operations in California.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is exactly what the federal government needs
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Speaker 1: to get involved in. And again, it's just another instance
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Speaker 1: of California not doing, from Sacramento, Gavin Newsom's failures, not
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Speaker 1: doing what he needs to do to stop the fraud,
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Speaker 1: to stop the illegal aliens or illegal people from voting,
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Speaker 1: non-citizens voting. Then you add on top of that illegal
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Speaker 1: drug growth in the northern part of the state, which
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Speaker 1: is still illegal federally. This is exactly where the FBI
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Speaker 1: should come in. And yet again, yet again do what
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Speaker 1: California is begging its government to do, and that's actually
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Speaker 1: enforce the laws of the states and stop letting criminals, non-citizens,
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Speaker 1: and fraudsters get whatever they want. Well, Gavin Newsom looks
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Speaker 1: the other way. This is exactly why we need the
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Speaker 1: FBI to come in, right?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 8: And, you know, the other element here, you know, that's
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Speaker 8: come to light is you know, in Mexico, a lot
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Speaker 8: of the avocado groves are controlled by cartel. And this
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Speaker 8: is another way we're getting impacted. They're dumping, you know,
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Speaker 8: huge amounts of avocados into the market to undermine California.
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Speaker 3: Farmers, you know, who grow avocados.
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Speaker 8: It's hurting their market. So there, and again, you know,
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Speaker 8: we have to get on top of these cartels. They
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Speaker 8: are totally, you know, violating the law. They're embedding themselves
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Speaker 8: in our country, embedding themselves in these marijuana grows in
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Speaker 8: the North State.
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Speaker 3: But there's something that we can really do about it.
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Speaker 8: And I'm encouraged that I think that this administration has
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Speaker 8: shown that they want to really go after these cartels.
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Speaker 8: They want to get at the root of this drug problem,
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Speaker 8: of human trafficking problem. And so I think we've got
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Speaker 8: a real opportunity to show how we can do it
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Speaker 8: right and say, no, we're not going to allow you
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Speaker 8: to do this to undermine our laws to undermine.
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Speaker 3: Our water quality.
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Speaker 8: And by the way, you talked about the pesticides that
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Speaker 8: these guys are using that are going directly into our watersheds.
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Speaker 8: So if you really want to do something, Gavin Newsom
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Speaker 8: needs to wake up. But if he's not going to
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Speaker 8: do it, then the federal government's going to come in
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Speaker 8: and do it for him.
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Speaker 1: Yet again, another one of Gavin Newsom's failure that goes,
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Speaker 1: it really flies in the face of all the policies
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Speaker 1: he pretends to care about. I mean, environmental concerns is
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Speaker 1: supposed to be what Democrats care about, right? But now
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Speaker 1: it's the Republicans, yet again, looking to protect people from
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Speaker 1: dangerous pesticides. Congressman, thank you so much for being here
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Speaker 1: and making us aware of this. And thanks for your
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Speaker 1: advocacy to Kash Patel to do something about it.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise, celebrity senators, a founder who wrote science fiction
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Speaker 1: and teaching so guarded you pay to unlock them one
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Speaker 1: level at a time. Scientology has always been one of
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Speaker 1: the most mysterious religions in the world. Tonight, a woman
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Speaker 1: who spent 15 years inside says that to move up,
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Speaker 1: Scientology wanted her to give up Jesus, and that's where
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Speaker 1: she drew the line. You know the name. She's the
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Speaker 1: singer who walked the Grammys red carpet in a Make
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Speaker 1: America Great Again gown in 2017. For 15 years, she
20:52
Speaker 1: was also a Scientologist and not a casual one. She
20:55
Speaker 1: was one of their celebrity faces. Here she is at St. Hill,
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Speaker 1: the church's headquarters in England, recruiting.
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Speaker 9: Look.
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Speaker 5: I highly recommend you decide to train because it will
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Speaker 5: give you incredible amounts of power for me in my
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Speaker 5: day-to-day life as an artist and in session. Train here
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Speaker 5: at St.
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Speaker 10: Hill.
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Speaker 5: You will not regret it.
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Speaker 1: She said that video was made probably less than six
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Speaker 1: months before her breakdown. In her words, she says, I
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Speaker 1: was so absolutely miserable when I recorded that, but I
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Speaker 1: was able to hide it. Now, why does this matter?
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Speaker 1: beyond just one celebrity. Because right now, there are videos
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Speaker 1: aimed at young people insisting you can be a Scientologist
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Speaker 1: and a Christian at the same time. It's no conflict
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Speaker 1: at all. But Joy Vila says she believed exactly that
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Speaker 1: for 15 years and that it was a lie that
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Speaker 1: kept her inside. Scripture settled that question about 2,000 years ago.
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Speaker 1: No one can serve two masters. Joy Vila says it
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Speaker 1: took her 15 years to learn it, She chose to
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Speaker 1: serve Jesus and only him. Joining me now is singer
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Speaker 1: and author Joy Vila. Joy, welcome back to David Pollack
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Speaker 1: Prime Time. What a story you've told. Tell me about
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Speaker 1: your journey from Scientology, and it's never really, I guess,
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Speaker 1: away from Jesus, but back to Jesus, and as a result,
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Speaker 1: having to leave Scientology.
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Speaker 5: Yes, it's quite an emotional journey, and 15, about 15
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Speaker 5: years ago, over 15 years now, I was struggling a lot.
22:29
Speaker 5: I came out of, I was in Hollywood and there
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Speaker 5: was a lot of craziness. There's a lot of, you know,
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Speaker 5: sexual immorality. There's a lot of people trying to take
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Speaker 5: advantage of you. And I experienced all of those things. drugs, alcohol.
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Speaker 5: So I came out and was looking for a clean path.
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Speaker 5: And there's this beautiful center called Celebrity Center in the
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Speaker 5: middle of Hollywood. I was booked to be a model
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Speaker 5: in my modeling days. I modeled all around the world,
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Speaker 5: 40 countries. I've modeled, I've been on, you know, in Vogue, Italia.
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Speaker 5: And so this was me coming back. And so Celebrity
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Speaker 5: Center in Los Angeles says you can do acting classes
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Speaker 5: here and we love what you do as a model.
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Speaker 5: And I was raised Christian, absolutely. And so I thought,
23:11
Speaker 5: this is a little weird. You guys call yourself a church.
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Speaker 5: And they said, don't worry. It's just about acting. It's
23:15
Speaker 5: just about human, human communication. It's about public relations. It's
23:19
Speaker 5: all the things why we serve actors and celebrities and
23:21
Speaker 5: fellow would be celebrities. Fast forward to me being $ 2
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Speaker 5: million in with them married to a former Scientologist or
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Speaker 5: married to a Scientologist at the time, I should say
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Speaker 5: when I was a Scientologist, um, And being stuck in
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Speaker 5: a system that would not let me go and pressured
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Speaker 5: me every day to take the next course, the next course.
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Speaker 5: It took me about two, almost two years to get
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Speaker 5: away from them because the system is so deep and
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Speaker 5: so strong. Once you're in, you can't just get out.
23:53
Speaker 5: And by the way, it takes years for them to
23:55
Speaker 5: show you the weird stuff, right? So I told them
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Speaker 5: I'm a Christian. They're like, so am I, so am I.
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Speaker 5: At least four or five staff members raised their hand
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Speaker 5: and said, I'm a Christian too. So I thought, all right, great.
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Speaker 5: And I would ask them explicitly, can I be a
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Speaker 5: Christian and a Scientologist? They said, absolutely, there's no problem.
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Speaker 5: They had me talk to other Christians and to get
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Speaker 5: them to join Scientology. There is Christian ministers, ministers, Baptist
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Speaker 5: so-called ministers who have churches who are high-ranking, high-level Scientologists,
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Speaker 5: and they will tell you all day long that there's
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Speaker 5: no problem, there's no contrast, it can work together, it
24:31
Speaker 5: can be synergesic, right? There's a synergy between Scientology and Christianity.
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Speaker 5: This is not true. Because the longer I was in,
24:40
Speaker 5: the more they were telling me, like, who do you
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Speaker 5: pray to? Why did you tweet about, you know, going
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Speaker 5: to a church in Tennessee? Because I was like, oh, hey, guys,
24:49
Speaker 5: is there any good, you know, Joy Tribe online, all
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Speaker 5: my followers? Is there a good church in Tennessee? I
24:53
Speaker 5: was there on tour during 2020 and very desperate and
24:58
Speaker 5: needing some Christian fellowship. And They pulled me in. And
25:03
Speaker 5: by the way, when you get pulled in, you get pressured,
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Speaker 5: you get talked about, you get absolutely grilled and you
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Speaker 5: pay for it, $ 300 or so an hour to confess
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Speaker 5: your sins. It's called a confessional. There's something wrong with you.
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Speaker 5: The sins are called overt's. And now I'm already locked
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Speaker 5: in the system and I'm going, well, what's the big deal?
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Speaker 5: And they said, it looks like you are leaving Scientology.
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Speaker 5: You are not allowed to tweet that. And I said, no, no, no,
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Speaker 5: I'm just trying. I'm a Christian. You guys know I'm
25:29
Speaker 5: a Christian. And I could feel the pressure. They were
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Speaker 5: looking at me and they said, well, who do you
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Speaker 5: pray to? Why are you praying before your meals? You know,
25:36
Speaker 5: you can't pray while you're doing the Scientology services. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: you can be a Christian. It ended up being so bad. David,
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Speaker 5: I was at wit's end in the UK during COVID,
25:46
Speaker 5: towards the end of COVID. on my knees every day
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Speaker 5: and asking them to help me. And they finally said,
25:52
Speaker 5: you know, you cannot go to the next level. And
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Speaker 5: my friend, Stacey Francis, who is a very famous musician,
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Speaker 5: she was on The Voice. She's one of the finalists
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Speaker 5: on The Voice. She personally told me, you cannot be
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Speaker 5: a Christian and be a Scientologist. They are going to
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Speaker 5: drill that out of you. It's called auditing. I didn't
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Speaker 5: believe her. And so I'm writing my book about this,
26:15
Speaker 5: by the way. I have a book I'm writing right now,
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Speaker 5: which will be published and coming out, which will tell
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Speaker 5: my story and will tell Christians how to avoid this trap.
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Speaker 5: Nobody intends to join a cult. You sign the paperwork
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Speaker 5: thinking it's a club, it's a group, maybe they're a
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Speaker 5: little kooky. But wow, look at all these things and
26:31
Speaker 5: the things. It works. It works in the beginning. I
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Speaker 5: got auditions. I got connections. And it wasn't even just
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Speaker 5: their connections, which, yes, they do do that. But it
26:40
Speaker 5: was also they were teaching me how to audition, how
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Speaker 5: to represent myself better. But then once you get something good,
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Speaker 5: they take the claim for that. They say, see that?
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Speaker 5: That's not prayer. That's not God. That's Scientology.
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Speaker 3: That's L.
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Speaker 5: Ron Hubbard. See, that's source. They worship that man. After
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Speaker 5: every course period, we would have to do courses. We'd
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Speaker 5: have to do auditing. We have to do. I was
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Speaker 5: doing 12 hours a day by the end of it,
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Speaker 5: not getting paid. and being looked at to become one
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Speaker 5: of their ordained like chaplains in Scientology. That's what they wanted.
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Speaker 5: They wanted to steal my natural inclination to be a
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Speaker 5: minister and to minister to people that my dad gave
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Speaker 5: me as a Christian minister. And they wanted me to
27:18
Speaker 5: use that for Scientology.
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Speaker 1: So, so essentially that's the weird stuff you're referring to.
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Speaker 1: Like at first it's just, oh, okay, this is cool.
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Speaker 1: And then next thing you know, it's like, what are
27:28
Speaker 1: you doing? You can't do this. You can't do this.
27:30
Speaker 1: Pay us while we tell you what you can and
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Speaker 1: can't do. And it becomes sort of culty, and then
27:34
Speaker 1: you have to get to that next level in order
27:36
Speaker 1: to move up in the system and sort of build
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Speaker 1: that status. And because you're not following their orders, you're
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Speaker 1: not allowed to move up. And so it's this weird
27:44
Speaker 1: sort of psychological experiment, essentially, getting people to be totally
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Speaker 1: loyal to the religion. Wow, that is fascinating. Now, look,
27:55
Speaker 1: real quick, I've got like a minute left. But now,
27:58
Speaker 1: of course, Scientology, here's what you say, and you've given
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Speaker 1: them millions of dollars over the course of your career
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Speaker 1: and your involvement with the organization. They say essentially that
28:08
Speaker 1: now you're just trying to make a buck off of them, basically,
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Speaker 1: and exploit your experience. What do you say to them?
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Speaker 5: They actually said how unchristian. You can quote them. You
28:16
Speaker 5: can find the quote. When they saw that I came
28:17
Speaker 5: out and started talking about it and telling the truth
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Speaker 5: and telling my story, and I don't blame individual Scientologists.
28:23
Speaker 5: People think all those people working there are evil. They're not.
28:25
Speaker 5: They're trapped. Nobody intends to join a cult. It's so
28:28
Speaker 5: easy to get sucked up into this. They prey on
28:31
Speaker 5: the weak, but they also prey on the strong. And
28:34
Speaker 5: if you have a bad day and you need something,
28:36
Speaker 5: your marriage is falling apart and you need some therapy,
28:38
Speaker 5: that's what they're going to give you. If you need
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Speaker 5: confidence to get to the audition, that's what they're going
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Speaker 5: to give you. If your desire is to make money,
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Speaker 5: that's what they're going to give you.
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Speaker 8: They have.
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Speaker 5: courses and structures at the bottom level where you are
28:49
Speaker 5: stuck there thinking that you're just doing normal things and
28:52
Speaker 5: it's a community for years until you get to that
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Speaker 5: next level and you see the evilness. And now you're
28:57
Speaker 5: too committed. You're too invested. But I'm telling you, the
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Speaker 5: people at the top at the very evil, they know
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Speaker 5: what Scientology is. They know what they're doing to people.
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Speaker 5: Those are the people that are trapping. And in my book,
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Speaker 5: I talk about how to avoid being stuck by cults
29:11
Speaker 5: because it's the same system narcissists do, love bombing. It's
29:14
Speaker 5: the same system that human traffickers do. It's the same
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Speaker 5: system that Hollywood does and that the left does. It
29:21
Speaker 5: is all the same system. So you think you could
29:23
Speaker 5: get caught up in a cult? Well, I'm sorry to
29:25
Speaker 5: tell you, it's very easy, unfortunately, if you don't know
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Speaker 5: how to spot it.
29:29
Speaker 1: Joy Vila, compelling, compelling story. Look forward to reading that book.
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Speaker 1: And of course, as always, thank you so much for
29:35
Speaker 1: being here.
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Speaker 5: Salute, it's a pleasure. And Jesus Christ is Lord. I'm
29:39
Speaker 5: so glad I'm out. Amen.
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Speaker 1: Still ahead, a flag wipes out Florida State's last chance
29:46
Speaker 1: touchdown in the next day. The Miami Hurricanes move up
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Speaker 1: to number one in the country. Billions of dollars are
29:53
Speaker 1: bet on college sports, and the NCAA checks referees' betting accounts. Basketball, baseball, softball,
29:58
Speaker 1: but not football. Congressman Jimmy Petronas wants the officials investigated,
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Speaker 1: and he joins me next and later. The United Nations
30:07
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30:12
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Speaker 1: Last Saturday night, Hard Rock Stadium, Florida State Seminoles and
31:06
Speaker 1: third-ranked Miami went into double overtime. Miami scored first in
31:12
Speaker 1: the second overtime, converted a two-pointer. Florida State, one last shot.
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Speaker 1: Fourth and 21. I'd already walked out of the room
31:22
Speaker 1: and said, I've seen the way this one ends. Ashton
31:25
Speaker 1: Daniels throws. Makai Danzy catches it in the end zone. Touchdown,
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Speaker 1: Florida State. Except flag holding on the left tackle. The
31:37
Speaker 1: touchdown comes off. Now it's fourth and 31. Next pass
31:44
Speaker 1: ruled an interception. The review upholds it. And the game
31:49
Speaker 1: is over. By the way, it was totally a catch
31:52
Speaker 1: as well. Miami wins, air quotes, 43 to 35. And
31:58
Speaker 1: the next day, Miami moves up to the number one
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Speaker 1: team in the country, celebrating winning, supposedly, over an unranked team.
32:07
Speaker 1: But whatever. That holding call? NBC's rules analyst and former
32:13
Speaker 1: NFL referee said it shouldn't have been thrown. And here's
32:16
Speaker 1: Florida State's head coach.
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Speaker 8: Look.
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Speaker 9: You have the holding call, which was, I mean, it
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Speaker 9: was an absolute joke. I mean, I called and talked
32:26
Speaker 9: to Gary Patterson, head of officials, and I've not heard
32:30
Speaker 9: his final review from it, but I've got a lot
32:35
Speaker 9: of respect for the job that everybody has, and you
32:38
Speaker 9: go through the course of that game, you know, Same
32:41
Speaker 9: thing happened a few plays earlier that was not called.
32:44
Speaker 9: But in that moment, that play, it's a shame. It's
32:49
Speaker 9: a lot of judgment calls and all things, but that
32:52
Speaker 9: was bad. And I haven't got the final response from them,
32:56
Speaker 9: but if it's anything less than what I said, then
32:58
Speaker 9: it tells me everything I need to know.
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Speaker 1: And just think about that. The head coach has to
33:03
Speaker 1: pick up the phone to find out whether the people
33:06
Speaker 1: deciding his season got it right. Now, why are we
33:09
Speaker 1: talking about college football on a political talk show? Because.
33:14
Speaker 1: It's not a game anymore. Americans are legally betting a
33:18
Speaker 1: record of $ 167 billion on sports. Schools are now paying
33:24
Speaker 1: players directly up to more than $ 20 million a year
33:27
Speaker 1: per school on top of NIL deals. And in January,
33:31
Speaker 1: the Justice Department charged 26 people in a scheme to
33:34
Speaker 1: fix college basketball games, including 17 former players. Nearly 30
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Speaker 1: games rigged over two seasons. So what's the NCAA's answer here? Well,
33:44
Speaker 1: they say it monitors the sportsbook accounts of championship officials
33:47
Speaker 1: in basketball, baseball, and softball. But get this, not football.
33:52
Speaker 1: So in the sport with the biggest television money and
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Speaker 1: some of the biggest betting action, no one is watching
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Speaker 1: the officials except every fan at home or maybe even
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Speaker 1: in the stands with their hands on their head in disbelief,
34:05
Speaker 1: mouth open, pointing at the jumbotron. The NCAA leaves a
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Speaker 1: responsibility to the conferences to supervise its own referees and
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Speaker 1: review its own calls. Essentially, they let the kids grade
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Speaker 1: their own homework. Yeah, I got an A +. I
34:19
Speaker 1: did good. Now, let's be fair. No one has shown
34:23
Speaker 1: that an official took a dime, at least not yet.
34:27
Speaker 1: AND NOW ONE FLORIDA CONGRESSMAN SAYS IT IS TIME SOMEBODY
34:31
Speaker 1: AT LEAST TOOK A LOOK. POSTING ON X, REPRESENTATIVE FROM
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Speaker 1: FLORIDA'S FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, JIMMY PETRONAS, POSTED THIS, SAYING... SATURDAY
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Speaker 1: NIGHT WASN'T JUST TWO BLOWN CALLS BACK-TO-BACK. HAIL MARYS AT
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Speaker 1: FLORIDA STATE. FLORIDA STATE HAS EVERY REASON TO QUESTION WHETHER
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Speaker 1: THE ACC'S VENDETTA AGAINST THEM HAS MADE ITS WAY ONTO
34:51
Speaker 1: THE FIELD. FSU STOOD UP TO THE ACC WHEN NOBODY
34:55
Speaker 1: ELSE WANTED TO. THEY FOUGHT TO ESCAPE THE GARBAGE DEAL
34:58
Speaker 1: ITS LEADERSHIP PUT THEM IN. AND NOW THEY'RE FIGHTING TO
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Speaker 1: PROTECT COLLEGE SPORTS ACT, WHICH RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER
35:05
Speaker 1: THE ACC IS TRYING TO PROTECT ITS OWN INTERESTS. AT
35:08
Speaker 1: THEIR EXPENSE. COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS A BIG BUSINESS, AND THE
35:12
Speaker 1: EXPLOSION OF SPORTS BETTING HAS RAISED THE STAKES EVEN HIGHER.
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Speaker 1: SPORTS BETTING ISN'T A FAD. IT'S NOT GOING AWAY. AND
35:18
Speaker 1: WITH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS RIDING ON A GAME OUTCOME, WE
35:20
Speaker 1: CAN'T AFFORD TO IGNORE THE GROWING RISK OF CORRUPTION WHEN
35:23
Speaker 1: REFC COACHES MAKING MILLIONS AND PLAYERS CASHING IN. THEY'RE NOT
35:27
Speaker 1: IMMUNE TO TEMPTATION TO GET THEIR OWN PIECE OF THE PIE.
35:30
Speaker 1: THEY'RE HUMAN, TOO. AND THAT RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY
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Speaker 1: AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME. INVESTIGATING THE OFFICIALS IS
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Speaker 1: STEP ONE. IT'S TIME TO HOLD THE ACC ACCOUNTABLE. AND
35:42
Speaker 1: THE CONGRESSMAN IS RIGHT. WHEN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS RIDE ON
35:46
Speaker 1: A FLAG, TRUST US. IT'S NOT AN ANSWER. IT'S AN INVITATION.
35:50
Speaker 1: JOINING ME NOW, CONGRESSMAN JIMMY PETRONAS, REPUBLICANS OF THE Welcome
35:56
Speaker 1: to the show. Go Knolls. And I am so proud
35:59
Speaker 1: of you for standing up and calling it out like
36:02
Speaker 1: it is. Something is up when you see these blown calls,
36:04
Speaker 1: when you see these ridiculous penalties deciding the outcome of
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Speaker 1: a game. And everybody in the whole world watches this
36:09
Speaker 1: and goes, what? I'm not saying anybody did anything wrong,
36:13
Speaker 1: but at least we should look at.
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Speaker 9: It, right?
36:16
Speaker 10: I've chilled several times as you were pointing out the
36:19
Speaker 10: obvious that is not just in my mind, but on
36:23
Speaker 10: thousands of fans all over our nation as we look
36:27
Speaker 10: at the challenges and where this five-wide West is. sports
36:32
Speaker 10: is going. It's no longer amateur anymore. And, you know,
36:35
Speaker 10: as I was talking to some folks earlier today, you know,
36:38
Speaker 10: the one factor I haven't brought into it also is
36:41
Speaker 10: the collusion in the conflict of interest with sports agents
36:45
Speaker 10: representing the players and also representing the coaches as we're
36:51
Speaker 10: pitting these coaches against each other. against the conferences, against
36:56
Speaker 10: the universities. I mean, we have got a real mess
36:58
Speaker 10: on our hands, and asking Congress the ones to fix,
37:02
Speaker 10: I think, is pretty comical. So, you know, we've got
37:04
Speaker 10: to start calling these conferences out. And I've always said
37:09
Speaker 10: transparency is the absolute best disinfectant. You cannot tell me
37:14
Speaker 10: that the temptation does not exist in the pillow talk
37:18
Speaker 10: between spouses and maybe their husband, who could be a referee,
37:23
Speaker 10: or the children, or the nephews, or the cousins, or
37:26
Speaker 10: the brothers that are watching the collegiate athletic process roll
37:32
Speaker 10: forward and the money that is changing hands every single day,
37:36
Speaker 10: including the TV contracts.
37:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's an excellent point. And look, I get it.
37:41
Speaker 1: People want to say everybody, no matter who, if you're watching,
37:44
Speaker 1: if you're a Miami fan, you watch and say, no,
37:46
Speaker 1: it was a good call. If you're a Florida State fan,
37:48
Speaker 1: you hate it. And I understand all of that. That
37:50
Speaker 1: happens in every game. There's always a questionable call. And
37:52
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's the refs on
37:53
Speaker 1: the field to get to make it. But exactly like
37:56
Speaker 1: you're talking about, the transparency in the business side of it,
37:59
Speaker 1: it's what's important because. there is a lot of money
38:02
Speaker 1: changing hands. There is a lot of stakes at play.
38:04
Speaker 1: And just relying, when the outcomes are so significant, just
38:07
Speaker 1: relying on refs on the field, you know, this is
38:09
Speaker 1: one of those instances where exactly like you said, transparency
38:12
Speaker 1: is key. Let's make sure that the people calling these games,
38:15
Speaker 1: you know, there are no conflicts. Because when money is
38:18
Speaker 1: on the line, there is too much potential for personal
38:22
Speaker 1: interest to start coming to play. And when you see
38:23
Speaker 1: things as obvious as people see, when their team wins
38:26
Speaker 1: or loses based on a call that Everybody in America
38:29
Speaker 1: is like, what? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
38:31
Speaker 1: We need to be sure that there isn't something. And look,
38:34
Speaker 1: I've been watching football a long time. I'm a Florida
38:36
Speaker 1: State fan. I went to Florida State, so I am
38:38
Speaker 1: biased here. I've seen a lot of games come and go,
38:41
Speaker 1: and it doesn't upset me as much as it used to.
38:43
Speaker 1: My life goes on. But I'll tell you what, if
38:46
Speaker 1: there's people who have business interests on the line, that
38:48
Speaker 1: has significant impacts other than the hat you wear to
38:51
Speaker 1: the next family outing when somebody's a Hurricane fan. And
38:54
Speaker 1: that's what you got to fix, right?
38:56
Speaker 8: Absolutely.
38:56
Speaker 10: Well, all right, let's go look at the Michigan game
38:58
Speaker 10: early this year with one second on the clock. You know, yeah,
39:02
Speaker 10: I get it. The opponent was paid big dollars to
39:07
Speaker 10: come into Michigan to play that game, and it was
39:10
Speaker 10: a season opener. It was supposed to be, you know,
39:12
Speaker 10: an easy game for them, for the Wolverines to win.
39:16
Speaker 10: There was no expectations for the Wolverines to lose that game,
39:20
Speaker 10: and this is the same thing we're seeing. If Florida
39:22
Speaker 10: State was up 14 points, you know, in the end
39:25
Speaker 10: of the fourth quarter, nobody would have cared. But now
39:28
Speaker 10: you've got a game at the end and you have
39:32
Speaker 10: two Hail Marys that are called back. You have a
39:35
Speaker 10: holding call where no holding calls were called.
39:38
Speaker 8: I mean, just.
39:38
Speaker 10: is the inconsistency in how officiating is done. And to
39:43
Speaker 10: your point earlier, it's different from conference to conference to conference.
39:47
Speaker 10: I think the ACC may be trying to get it
39:49
Speaker 10: right by allowing the audio to be played of what
39:52
Speaker 10: the officials are going through, but we need pure transparency
39:56
Speaker 10: in this taking place. And I really, I feel like
40:00
Speaker 10: a coach should be able to challenge any penalty that
40:03
Speaker 10: they see fit moving forward out of an abundance of
40:06
Speaker 10: concerns of what we just saw with the Florida state
40:09
Speaker 10: Miami game, which again, I think, you know, it broke
40:14
Speaker 10: my heart and okay, but you know what, there was
40:17
Speaker 10: irregularities there that definitely rise a lot of concerns that
40:20
Speaker 10: need to be explained.
40:21
Speaker 1: And that's exactly right. And look, And it's not just
40:24
Speaker 1: the refs. Maybe the refs are betting on it or not.
40:27
Speaker 1: It's also, you know, you have to look at sort
40:29
Speaker 1: of the antitrust issue, too. If the ACC needs to
40:31
Speaker 1: protect its reputation, Miami being the number one team. Florida
40:34
Speaker 1: State takes out Miami. Well, the ACC doesn't have a
40:37
Speaker 1: player in the national championship. That costs the ACC money.
40:40
Speaker 1: And so when you have ACC refs making questionable calls
40:42
Speaker 1: and it could potentially have an impact on the bottom
40:45
Speaker 1: line of the actual conference, these are things that need
40:48
Speaker 1: to be in the sunlight because there are other organizations
40:52
Speaker 1: and other businesses that have regulations so these things don't happen.
40:55
Speaker 1: This isn't just about winning or losing. And that one
40:57
Speaker 1: second clock thing, Congressman, that was the craziest thing. They go, well,
41:00
Speaker 1: that's not the official clock. It was so bad that
41:03
Speaker 1: when Florida State played after their long blackout in the
41:05
Speaker 1: game after, they kept saying official clock on the field
41:08
Speaker 1: does not put a disclaimer on it. That's how ridiculous
41:11
Speaker 1: this is getting. Congressman, I'm wishing you the best luck
41:14
Speaker 1: in trying to figure out a way to put some
41:16
Speaker 1: sunlight on the way these decisions are made and put
41:18
Speaker 1: a sunlight on the financials of these conferences that are
41:21
Speaker 1: really policing themselves when serious dollars are on the line,
41:24
Speaker 1: not just from the better. but from the people who
41:26
Speaker 1: invest in these conferences as well, and the universities that
41:28
Speaker 1: are involved too. Congressman Petronas, thank you for your posts
41:32
Speaker 1: on social media about this. Thank you for your fight,
41:34
Speaker 1: and thank you for your representation of the great state
41:35
Speaker 1: of Florida.
41:37
Speaker 10: Thank you so much, David. It's great to be with you,
41:39
Speaker 10: and go Noles.
41:39
Speaker 1: Go Noles. Coming up, we spent this year fighting over
41:45
Speaker 1: flock cameras that read your license plate. Now the United
41:50
Speaker 1: Nations is warning that governments could one day get inside
41:56
Speaker 1: something that's way more personal. Your actual brain. And a
42:01
Speaker 1: startup just raised $ 50 million for a brain-reading baseball cap.
42:06
Speaker 1: Chrissy Newton joins me next when we say, no way.
42:09
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Speaker 1: This story is certainly an unexpected twist of the phrase,
42:58
Speaker 1: my body, my choice. Did you see this? The Secretary
43:02
Speaker 1: General of the United Nations has put out a formal
43:05
Speaker 1: report warning that government's ability to access, even manipulate, the
43:11
Speaker 1: human brain could one day threaten basic rights. You heard
43:16
Speaker 1: me right. Government's accessing your brain. presented to the General
43:22
Speaker 1: Assembly last week.
43:23
Speaker 10: Look.
43:23
Speaker 11: The Secretary General's report on the question of human rights
43:27
Speaker 11: in the Administration of Justice, A81351, examines the growing use
43:32
Speaker 11: of neurotechnology in justice systems and the human rights risk
43:36
Speaker 11: arising from its convergence.
43:38
Speaker 5: With artificial intelligence.
43:40
Speaker 11: It warns of risk to dignity, privacy, freedom of thought,
43:44
Speaker 11: fair trials rights, liberty and protection from ill-treatment, especially for
43:48
Speaker 11: marginalized groups. It urged prohibitions on coercive and abusive uses
43:54
Speaker 11: and strongest safe words, informed consent, scientific validation, oversight, accountability,
44:00
Speaker 11: and protection of neural data.
44:02
Speaker 1: The gist of it was she didn't want, I guess,
44:04
Speaker 1: people having their brains spied on by police. But get this.
44:07
Speaker 1: It describes the report. It describes police using brain scanning
44:12
Speaker 1: to test whether a suspect recognizes details of a crime
44:16
Speaker 1: or headsets that monitor people under supervision and something it
44:19
Speaker 1: calls coercive neuromodulation technology that, in the report's words, may
44:24
Speaker 1: alter or shape a person's thoughts. In India, police have
44:29
Speaker 1: used a so-called brain lie detector for about two decades.
44:34
Speaker 1: on what the New York Times calls scant science. Now, supposedly,
44:39
Speaker 1: the UN's own report says neurotechnology is not capable at
44:44
Speaker 1: present of reading minds. Supposedly, what it reportedly can do
44:50
Speaker 1: is infer emotions and internal reactions from your brain data.
44:55
Speaker 1: Where does that data come from? You know those wellness
44:58
Speaker 1: headbands and gaming headsets people are buying right now? Eight,
45:02
Speaker 1: neural rights groups looked at 30 companies selling these gadgets.
45:06
Speaker 1: Most put no real limits on what they do with
45:09
Speaker 1: your brain data. Did you hear me? And more than
45:12
Speaker 1: half let them share it with third parties. So when
45:16
Speaker 1: you put on a headset playing a video game, they're
45:19
Speaker 1: getting data from you and selling it. A startup just
45:24
Speaker 1: raised $ 50 million for a brain-reading baseball cap. Think about that.
45:29
Speaker 1: We spent most of this year arguing over who gets
45:32
Speaker 1: your flock cam data, and now we're talking about who
45:35
Speaker 1: has the right to look into your brain. Only three states, California, Colorado,
45:40
Speaker 1: and Montana, have laws on the books protecting neural data.
45:44
Speaker 1: I had the advancements of things like Neuralink, and we
45:47
Speaker 1: might be soon looking back with nostalgia on the day
45:49
Speaker 1: we're simply reading our license plates. Was our biggest privacy concern?
45:54
Speaker 1: Joining me now for No Way with Chrissy Newton is
45:56
Speaker 1: the host of the rebelliously curious podcast and a science
46:00
Speaker 1: writer for The Debrief. Chrissy Newton, welcome back to Apollo
46:03
Speaker 1: Prime Time. So now warrantless searches of people's brain data.
46:08
Speaker 1: No way. No way.
46:10
Speaker 5: This is where we're going. So, so way.
46:14
Speaker 1: Tell me about this, because this really bothers me. Now, look,
46:17
Speaker 1: in the United States, we have the Fifth Amendment, which
46:19
Speaker 1: protects you from illegal searches and seizures. The police can't
46:22
Speaker 1: simply just go and force you to give them your
46:25
Speaker 1: brain data, and they can't force you to consent to, like,
46:27
Speaker 1: a brain-reading scan if you're identifying or submitting yourself to questioning.
46:32
Speaker 1: But in the rest of the world, you can certainly
46:34
Speaker 1: do that, and a lot of people don't know that
46:36
Speaker 1: If you're arrested overseas for something, they can interrogate whoever
46:39
Speaker 1: you want and turn over that data to the United States.
46:42
Speaker 1: And plus, the marketing use for this data is something
46:44
Speaker 1: we need to be concerned about. So this is something
46:46
Speaker 1: that's really happening?
46:49
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, it's happening. It's slowly happening. Let's just say that.
46:52
Speaker 12: But, you know, when the United Nations says something about this,
46:55
Speaker 12: we can look to it potentially being something that's going
46:58
Speaker 12: to happen.
46:58
Speaker 6: In the future.
46:59
Speaker 5: So it's a really.
47:02
Speaker 12: tough subject because as of now, BCI brain computer interfaces
47:06
Speaker 12: is in the healthcare space globally.
47:08
Speaker 1: Around the world.
47:09
Speaker 12: The only country in the world that has been able
47:11
Speaker 12: to put it in a consumer set, but still in
47:12
Speaker 12: healthcare and sell it within China, or sorry, is China,
47:16
Speaker 12: but within its own country, they can't sell globally right now.
47:19
Speaker 12: And so we see this infancy of BCI that's growing.
47:23
Speaker 12: And right now, yes, it's true. They can't read your mind,
47:26
Speaker 12: but it can influence your emotions. There was a scientist
47:29
Speaker 12: in 1960 named Jose Delgado who did an experiment on
47:35
Speaker 12: a bull where he put a BCI in the bull's
47:38
Speaker 12: brain and was able to control its emotions, if it
47:40
Speaker 12: would run forward, if it would charge.
47:42
Speaker 5: At the person.
47:43
Speaker 12: And so that really tells you, you know, that this
47:46
Speaker 12: is possible. You know, one thing that the CIA teaches
47:50
Speaker 12: CIA agents is that you can't control somebody, but you
47:54
Speaker 12: can control their emotions. And by controlling their emotions, you
47:58
Speaker 12: then ultimately can control their decisions. And so we've seen
48:02
Speaker 12: a lot of these conversations for years, we've seen inter
48:05
Speaker 12: programs mix, but Now we're coming to a real conversation
48:08
Speaker 12: that this can happen and it can become consumer products
48:12
Speaker 12: where it can be mandated into legislation.
48:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to happen. It's just fascinating what this
48:18
Speaker 1: technology is doing. And definitely from an international perspective, legislation
48:22
Speaker 1: is certainly important. But it brings up the greater concern,
48:26
Speaker 1: and that's with privacy. I mean, if you're not using
48:28
Speaker 1: it for criminal matters, which, again, we have constitutional protections
48:31
Speaker 1: in the United States— that keeps governments from taking things
48:36
Speaker 1: involuntarily for you and using them in prosecutions. But this
48:41
Speaker 1: is something that's not considered, the data aspect of this.
48:44
Speaker 1: And when you're putting on VR hats or helmets or
48:47
Speaker 1: you're putting on game tech or whatever, AirPods? I don't
48:51
Speaker 1: even know. When do they have to disclose at one
48:55
Speaker 1: point the fact that they're collecting data? And they probably are,
48:59
Speaker 1: as you scroll when you download an app and you say, yeah, sure,
49:01
Speaker 1: I consent to take my face and turn it into
49:03
Speaker 1: my best friend's face. This is awesome. And then they're
49:05
Speaker 1: taking that data and doing something with it. This is
49:07
Speaker 1: something people need to be made aware of, definitely, right?
49:10
Speaker 8: For sure, 100%.
49:11
Speaker 12: Right now, the neural data is so small, but it
49:13
Speaker 12: will grow and the data sets will grow. You know,
49:16
Speaker 12: I've been fortunate to speak with all different types of
49:18
Speaker 12: BCA companies from China to Germany, to Spain, all the
49:22
Speaker 12: way to the United States. So talking to a lot
49:24
Speaker 12: of these different CEOs, they are concerned. This is a
49:27
Speaker 12: conversation they're all having, but it was really interesting. I
49:31
Speaker 12: broke a story last October and a Morgan Stanley report
49:35
Speaker 12: was ceded to me in private and It wasn't public.
49:39
Speaker 12: And I reported on it and how, unfortunately, they were
49:42
Speaker 12: looking at the investment of what Neuralink was. And it
49:45
Speaker 12: was billions of dollars at this point in the BCI field.
49:49
Speaker 12: And so they were proposing that potentially if Elon Musk
49:53
Speaker 12: has some type of control over multiple different products from
49:57
Speaker 12: potentially driving cars with your brain, I know it's wild
50:00
Speaker 12: to think that, he will have a monopoly on that
50:03
Speaker 12: market and it will create potentially a narrow elite. And
50:06
Speaker 12: that will be for people, which again, the United Nations
50:08
Speaker 12: did say for people that are marginalized communities that won't
50:11
Speaker 12: have access to this type of technology. So this is
50:14
Speaker 12: where we're going. We have different law firms in New
50:17
Speaker 12: York are, you know, putting a red horn out right
50:20
Speaker 12: now and saying like, we need to look at this.
50:22
Speaker 12: We have the United Nations saying this. So we don't
50:25
Speaker 12: have policy. And right now, Chuck Schumer put something forward
50:28
Speaker 12: in his team, which is called mine act last September,
50:31
Speaker 12: where it was talking about privacy and neural data.
50:34
Speaker 5: So it has.
50:34
Speaker 12: Been brought up in front of Congress, but nothing has
50:37
Speaker 12: been done about it in Congress yet. So trust me,
50:40
Speaker 12: it will be, uh, it just isn't a full conversation,
50:43
Speaker 12: but it will be within government probably next year in
50:46
Speaker 12: the coming years.
50:47
Speaker 1: That is so fascinating, I think, to me and everybody watching.
50:51
Speaker 1: And yeah, we've talked about this in the past, too,
50:52
Speaker 1: those brain-computer interfaces. And in China, that we talked about, like,
50:56
Speaker 1: basically tech tourism, where you can go and enhance yourself
50:59
Speaker 1: because China is allowing it. And, you know, when you
51:02
Speaker 1: start building in AI or SI, and then you start
51:04
Speaker 1: bringing in all this other stuff, we're facing an incredibly
51:09
Speaker 1: interesting future. Now, again, with the SI and all these things,
51:13
Speaker 1: there's opportunities that they pose, but there's also risks. And so,
51:16
Speaker 1: This is another one of those areas where the regulation
51:18
Speaker 1: has to keep up with the technology. And thank you
51:20
Speaker 1: for writing about this and bringing it to our attention.
51:22
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are going to be like,
51:23
Speaker 1: no way, but way.
51:26
Speaker 6: It is.
51:27
Speaker 12: And that's why we have to do something about it.
51:28
Speaker 12: You know, the question is, is what will humanity and
51:31
Speaker 12: what will being human look like in the future? So
51:33
Speaker 12: this is our chance now to say something about it
51:36
Speaker 12: and put our opinions in to be able to stop
51:39
Speaker 12: something or change it and not have it evolve into
51:42
Speaker 12: something that's going to hurt humanity.
51:44
Speaker 1: A lot of prayers are going to be said after
51:45
Speaker 1: this segment. Chrissy Newton, thank you so much for being here.
51:48
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to you again next week
51:49
Speaker 1: for No Way with Chrissy Newton.
51:51
Speaker 3: Thank you.
51:52
Speaker 8: Thank you.
51:54
Speaker 1: That is our show for tonight. Twelve days from now,
52:00
Speaker 1: you decide who runs the House, who runs the Senate,
52:02
Speaker 1: and whether the last two years of immigration enforcement gets undone.
52:06
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52:08
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52:10
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52:13
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52:15
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52:18
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52:22
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