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#356 - For Azeroth!: “It’s a Lot” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Guaranteed people will start calling me a Blizzard apologist
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when I have these takes, but if you go into a conversation and
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you don't believe a word coming out of their mouth, you're no
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longer having a conversation. Victory for the Forsaken.
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For Lauderon. For the Karen tour.
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For Pandaria. For calendar to the.
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Burning region for Gilneus. I have not died for the Lich
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King for the. Sindora for the alliance.
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For the Horde, for Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
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another episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, the true
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villain, Manny, or just simply Manny.
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And of course, we are joined by the lovely Rhea.
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Rhea, how are you and how has Lex been treating you this week?
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She she doesn't have anything to say to you, Manny, OK.
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She had a lot to type, but all. Right.
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She has a lot to type, but she has nothing to say.
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No, she she's feeling like chewing on my desk.
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Does that help? OK, well then we'll we'll swap
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over to you. Lex.
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Lex, how are you and how's the World of Warcraft been treating
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you? I am good.
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I've gotten to play some alpha. We did not get IOTC last week,
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but we are very hopeful. We were consistently getting
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into phase three. It was kind of the type of thing
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where like frankly, I, I think we probably would have had it
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with a couple more polls, but we tried very hard not to be the
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like just because we have a bunch of parents and stuff.
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We try not to be like, oh, we can do it in a couple more polls
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cuz we want to stay up a little bit later.
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So my guess is knock on a lot of wood that we haven't this week.
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OK. I mean, well, this week there's
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an extra 3% power for those who are pushing the Rep.
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That means 12% overall. So that should definitely help.
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Actually, if you guys are locking out, are you getting the
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different, what are they called, ranks?
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So that is part of the issue we are thinking about right now is
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that we are, we are probably gonna still hold for Mondays for
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a while. We've been doing Mythic.
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We did Mythic plus last week. This week we did, we did heroic
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to because we wanted to get our cartel trips.
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But we have been encouraging the team to do LFR and that might
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become a consideration if I think as of now, it seems like
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most people are doing LFR on their off time to get up to
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those ranks and at least kind of keep up.
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But then that is part of the issue, right is that most of our
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team, not maybe not most, but a lot of our significant portion
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of our team really do have a limited amount of World of
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Warcraft time and are primarily playing on raid night.
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And so when we do lockout, we do have to think about that a
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little bit of like who we are potentially saying that, you
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know, subsection of our team is only going to do dementias for
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the next however many weeks. So I guess that is a quandary.
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Are you guys like going to police that at some point or is
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it just like a suggestion? Guys like this will definitely
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give us the the power we need and then let people go by carrot
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rather than whip. We have historically policed it
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and this is what I was talking about a little bit last week
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with if it feel if we're hitting a boss and it feels like I
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fundamentally do not understand how we are possibly supposed to
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get out through this because it's so painful and so
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overwhelming. That's when we start thinking
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it's a gear issue. It's a like a, you know, just a
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raw number issue and we need to start talking about whether or
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not we need to sit people to move forward right now because
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we're consistently getting into phase three.
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And it really feels feels like the issue is we've also been
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having just an absurd number of bugs.
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Like almost every time we do the flying section of Devencius.
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We've had one person get hard bugged out, which means we have
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to res them because they die, which means that we waste a
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battle of rez, which means that when we get into phase 3, when
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you really need to be able to pump that DPS, we are one battle
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of rez down. And somebody might have run
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through some somebody, I don't know, some Demon Hunter idiot
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probably ran through one of those stars that's dead without
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remembering that you're not supposed to do that.
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Who does that? Who fell rushes through those?
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We are just like if we we don't have that ability to push up the
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DPS. So because it doesn't feel like
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we're hitting a hard wall so much as we just really need to
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like clean things up and perfect them.
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We try not to sit people when it's dance versus numbers.
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All right, well, I I'm sorry to kept you waiting.
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Sean. I I know that you, unlike me,
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wait till you're introduced before saying anything.
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But hello Sean, How are you and how's the World of Warcraft
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treating you? Hi Manny, I'm doing great.
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Warcraft has been awesome on retail.
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I am shifted into full maintenance mode which basically
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means I'll be raid logging for the foreseeable future.
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As we are now into our this, this Thursday will be our first
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night of official farm. So assuming everything goes
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smoothly I I have no reason to believe it won't.
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It'll be just, I'll most likely just be raid logging on retail
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other than my remix dailies. I have hit Max item level on
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remix and I am now starting the power climb.
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I've also purchased all of the transmog, all of the mounts
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except for two, and most of the toys.
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And so I've been enjoying that. And so my so I'm actually now in
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like I've completed all the quests as well.
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So I'm now also in maintenance mode for remix so I'm literally
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just read. But remix raid logging means I
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still have to log in every day because it's every day.
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And I've mostly shifted in my focus into the alpha and testing
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add-ons. Trying to find add-ons to test.
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If you are an add on developer and you have an add on that you
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want tested on the alpha that you've been working on or one
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that you wrote for retail you want to see if it works on the
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alpha, shoot me a message. Jump into the discord at bit dot
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LY slash faz discord. Let me know I will test your
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add-ons. I've been spending my days on
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hunts for things that will allow me to reskin the cooldown
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manager mask works, but it doesn't fix the main major
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issues I have, which is you can't reduce the spacing to 0
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and you can't center center justify the icons they left or
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right justify. So if you have one with five and
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one with four, it looks awful. I don't.
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Yeah, it's. These are the major issues
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plaguing add-ons right now. Yeah, I mean, we're going to
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talk about the rest of the stuff later, but that's those are the
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things, the visual things I want to I want to look pretty right.
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You look good, you play good. So that's that's basically, but
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no, Warcrafts are treating me good.
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I've been feeling good about it and I'm I'm I wanted to say I'm
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ready for midnight, but we have a lot of work to do, so I'm not.
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What I am ready for is phase six of alpha, which was not on the
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road map but which was was announced to the add on
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developer Discord. I see, I see Well, I mean, I
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guess we should get right into it.
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Let's talk about these add-ons because Blizzard took the Time,
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Team two took the time to address add-ons and what
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Midnight is going to do to the combat add-ons.
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Now with this, they spoke about what their initial logic was for
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their API, how that was the most restrictive version.
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And then that the team had an expectation that the community,
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the the add on developers would come back with feedback and
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guide them to where they needed to loosen their restrictions.
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Which I'm going to say is the way you would do it in a
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professional environment where you start at a baseline and then
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you open up things because you are worried about security risk.
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However, I feel like in game development, in a development
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with a community like the World of Warcraft, this seems like
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something that needs to be explicitly communicated ahead of
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time so that they do not get the reaction that they got that they
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so that they do not. They do not 'cause the
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conversation to be so soured so fast.
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So I feel like Blizzard dropped the ball flat out in
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communication. This article that we're
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referring to in my mind is 3 to 4 weeks late.
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It should have been ahead of time and saying like, hey,
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you're going to be getting the the alpha.
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What you will find is this what we are looking for?
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Is this right? And going from there.
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But that said, Blizzard has been providing detailed technical
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updates to add on developers. We saw with weak ORS there was
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two weeks of videos of like this is what it is and This is why we
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can't do it. And then another one being like,
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they've made these changes but like this isn't good enough.
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And then afterwards we saw a different developers even
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showing like the notes that the layman probably has no
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understanding of, right, that Blizzard is putting forward to
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them. That shows not only what is
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coming up, what will be coming soon, and what's intended for
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the future as well. So there seems to be some
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communication. I just don't know how back and
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forth it is because obviously I'm not part of that
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communication. Not to be an eternal hater who
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can always pull the bat out of anything.
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That's good. There was a little bit of me
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when I read that post that was like, oh, you're doing the thing
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that like you're defender. Like I, I don't know, it felt
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like a lot of people were saying like, no, guys, maybe they're
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just going to like make it super tight now and then, like loosen
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it up later. And Blizzard's like, yeah, we're
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we're just like it. It was going to.
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We were always intending to do this, you guys.
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It wasn't like, it's not like we didn't understand what was going
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on and suddenly are startled by it.
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Because I agree, like it just it's so obvious to me that if
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this is what you were gonna do, the first thing you do is you
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write to the add on authors and be like, hey, guys, we're gonna
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start really tense, like really intense.
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We are gonna loosen restrictions.
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So don't, for example, make a major post the day after we tell
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people that a weak auras are gonna stay around saying the
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weak auras are gone. It's gonna be OK.
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We're gonna talk about it. We're gonna keep communicating.
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So it's either that they communicated so poorly that they
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missed a very obvious thing they needed to do if they were gonna
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start with the most stringent restrictions and loosen them, or
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this was what they wanted to do, like they they wanted really
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stringent restrictions. Everyone started freaking out
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and they are currently trying to backtrack to save face.
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And I don't know which one I'm more stressed about, but I don't
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really see a world where this was well done.
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I have a lot of feelings. I have a lot of feelings about
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this post and I'm trying to temper myself.
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This is a 15 paragraph post that they made and it isn't until the
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12th paragraph that we get any new information.
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All of all of what you just said, both of you the that
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Blizzard coming out. You know, obviously this
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communication should have happened weeks ago, but it did
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this if you go back and watch the first video that they did
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with Max and Ratnos where Ian breaks the news that we're going
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to be losing add-ons and then says don't worry, we're going to
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launch them simultaneously and ignore that part.
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But if you go back to that video where he announces what they're
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doing, he says in that video, their intention is to make it so
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that people can still reskin their offerings so that add-ons
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don't lose functionality for accessibility to the people.
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Like literally everything that the 1st 11 paragraphs of this
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post that came out is almost word for word what he says in
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that video from four months ago. So they're not telling us
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anything that we didn't already know and that they haven't
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already said and they've actually done nothing.
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We, I've said multiple times on the show, like it would be
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really great if we, if they would give us specifics.
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They keep saying, oh, combat related things, combat related
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stuff. But what does that mean?
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Does that mean I can't track my own, my own abilities?
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Does that mean that I can't change the name plate color of a
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different mob? Because right now I can't.
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Those those are locked out. You cannot do it.
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Anyway, this post is four months too late.
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It tells us nothing that they haven't already told us until we
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get to the portion about raid frames, which is a shining
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nugget in this post. Their their post they're,
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they're mentioning of raid frames.
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We're happy to talk about, but everything up to that point,
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there's like there's no, it's, it's literally just the same
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buzzwords. We're locking out combat
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abilities, add on abilities to make combat calculations for
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you. We expect that add-ons will be
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able to rescan stuff in the way that they want, which they've
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been saying since day one, which we're still not seeing come to
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full fruition yet. And it's still just, I just want
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somebody at Blizzard to tell us what functionality that we have
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now. Do you not want us to have so we
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can stop wasting our so we can stop I almost said the F word so
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we can stop wasting our energy on it because I'm tired of
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asking for the ability to change the colour of a nameplate based
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on the mob type. If you're never planning to give
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it to us, just tell us you're not going to give it to us and I
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can move on. But if I if we don't know and we
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don't because all this says is we don't want you to be able to
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have combat calculation functionality, but we do want
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you to be able to customize the look.
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Give us a specific please. I beg you.
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Somebody tell us something of substance, OK?
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The raid frames look great. I can't wait till we talk about
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those. OK.
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I will say from what they have put out that something like
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being able to have lieutenants or casters categorically
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distinguished on nameplates, whether that be that, that all
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casters have a different color, whether that be lieutenants have
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additional markings to show that they are lieutenants.
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That seems like something from what they have said that would
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not be allowed with the with their goals, because that that
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would be looking into unit IDs, interpreting something that is
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considered a secret value. And so from what I've read on
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this, and I only have like barest technical knowledge, I
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don't think that's that's something that is intended to
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happen. Now, obviously they've gone back
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on some things that that previously didn't look like they
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were going to happen, right. So again, we're back to that
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guessing game that you hate you hate so much.
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That said, what they have put forward after multiple
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paragraphs is some new information about the things
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before we get to rate frames. I do believe that one thing that
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they should have said previously that they added into it was the
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focus on accessibility. This is something that wasn't
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really in the conversation many months ago.
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I believe that that was in April that came into here.
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There was a focus on text to speech so that you wouldn't be
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relying on visual cues to track all the addons, or rather all
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the cooldowns. Those cooldowns, of course, are
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much less because of the pruning, though.
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You've seen them attack that from different directions and
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there are a number of ways for you to get alerts on that.
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So gaining stacks of of an ability or it coming off of
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cooldown or it reaching the pandemic window or a number of
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different things. You can get either through text
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to speech or through various alerts.
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Going through those alerts on the alpha, they are pretty
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limited in terms of like what sounds you can get their stuff
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from Warcraft three, Warcraft 2, which are like games from nearly
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20 years ago and therefore didn't have the largest catalog
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of sounds. And even still I don't think
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that there is all of them. I really want them to open that
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up so that so that you can have very distinctive sounds instead
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of four different animal noises that I have to recognize which
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animal that is. Go ahead, not to be an eternal
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hater that can always spin the negative out of a positive, but
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I don't think you can call it a focus on accessibility when you
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didn't talk to a disabled person until they made a very popular
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post on Reddit. Like that's not a focus on
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accessibility, that's like, oh shit right, we told everyone we
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were focusing on accessibility, we have to do that.
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Like I just feel like they're saying everything way too late
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for it to matter. So there was a conversation in
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the FAZ the like the conversation between the three,
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three of us that wasn't public and it was somewhat related to
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this in terms of who is in the room and and who is speaking to
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to issues, but it wasn't talking about accessibility.
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And we call it the Faz universe. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but
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I think we should at this point we're, I think we're big enough
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that we can call it the Faz verse.
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So the conversation was between the three of us, not the broader
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FAZ community, the FAZ universe as you're calling it.
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And there is obviously a, there should be a priority, there
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should be a, a goal to get knowledgeable, experienced
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voices in the room whenever you're dealing with, with
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something, right. And there was a conversation
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about people who aren't knowledgeable or don't have
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experience how they should de prioritize their own voices.
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Right to the point. Another conversation you're
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talking. About, you know the point,
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right? Yeah, to the point where it was
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like if I don't have experience in a category, my opinion is
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basically invalid. Now there was a there was a push
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back about how invalid or if it is so binary.
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But some of this stuff could have been worked on based on
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previous work in that space, right?
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And previous advice that they have been given, right, without
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somebody giving them fresh advice in that space.
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So I don't want to say just because they didn't have people
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from Undaunted, because Undaunted, Undaunted was part of
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that thread in the short term that they started working on the
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these features does not mean that people with the with
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similar experience to those in an Undaunted hadn't given them
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stuff to inform them. Now they're pulling in
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Undaunted, which is objectively better.
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And they should have pulled in people with experience in both
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World of Warcraft and with different capabilities in terms
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of vision, in terms of hearing, in terms of just capability,
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because that is objectively better to have that confluence
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of experiences to inform them when they're doing this.
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And so I'm glad that they're doing it now.
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But again, we're worried about time limit when they are rushing
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towards a release sometime early next year.
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That's fair. And I guess to be honest, I
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started this entire conversation saying I don't know which one
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would be worse if they're like, you know, just really bad at
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communicating or lying to us. And I think I think one of my
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biggest frustrations with the World of Warcraft team right now
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is I just feel like chronically gaslit by them.
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Like I kind of do wish that one of them like did somebody.
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And Ian has said similar things, but he's kind of like masked it
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in professional language. I want a member of Blizzard to
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just come out and be like, hey, guys, we really did not realize
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how big it was going to be to take on add-ons.
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And we're kind of stuck in it right now.
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But we're really, we understand it's been stressful and we we
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didn't know what we were doing early on and we're kind of
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scrambling a little bit. And so if it feels like we're a
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little overwhelmed right now, it's because we're a little
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overwhelmed right now and we're doing our best and we're trying
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to play catch up. Or if somebody would come out
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and say. That to me, I would be like, OK,
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at least we're getting somewhere, right?
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At least I actually know that I can trust you when you're speak
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versus if you put out a thing where you're like, oh, yeah.
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We always knew you guys were going to be really mad about
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this and we were just waiting for your feedback, which is why
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we didn't tell anyone that we wanted feedback and the things
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were going to change. And also, like we always knew
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accessibility was going to be a good a big thing and we're
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really focused on it, which is why we didn't start bringing
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people in until after we got yelled out on Reddit.
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Like I just don't believe I believe you anymore.
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And any, any of these things could be true, right?
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Like it very well could be true that that was their plan all
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along to get feedback and they just didn't communicate it well.
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It could be super true that they have been having really in depth
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conversations about accessibility and they just
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become obvious to me. But they've been doing this to
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me for so long that at this point when they say something,
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I'm like, all right, what's next?
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Like I just don't believe them anymore.
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They have lost my trust. And I feel like you don't
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appreciate snarky Lex as much as I do.
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I deal with I deal with not snarky Lex, but customer faith
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and integrity a lot. There becomes a point where
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people just believe you're talking in bad faith and it's
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impossible to hold a conversation anymore.
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People will guarantee people will start calling me a Blizzard
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apologist when I have these takes.
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But if you go into a conversation and you don't
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believe a word coming out of their mouth, you're no longer
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having a conversation, right? There is there is no way that
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they can convince you unless they are placating you.
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And I do not want to be placated, right?
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I would rather that I scrutinize and criticize everything that
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comes out of Blizzard's mouth for the grain of truth that I
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want to believe is there. Then to say everything they're
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throwing at me is lies. And that's hard.
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Sometimes that's really hard when you see frustrating things
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coming. I think that if you had your
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wish, Lex and somebody came out and said, oh man, this was a lot
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more than than we thought it would be, and we're really
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struggling right now. You wouldn't get the reaction
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that you're hoping for. The it's you would get people
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who are also thinking that Blizzard is like eternally
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gaslighting, use that as ammunition and go further than
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you would blacks, because I believe you're you're a
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reasonable person, right? And that's not me gaslighting
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you. That's just the general truth of
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it, right. But there are people who are
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just bad faith that are going to be like, yeah, Blizzard doesn't.
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It has never know what they're talking about.
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Now they're finally admitting it.
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And I've heard this and this and this and then you.
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And then because you have now said, you know what, guys, we
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were lying. You, you throw out any chance
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of, of, of truth, right? I think that if you after the
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fact, you go, you know what? Look, thinking back and there
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were these conversations and that, and we decided to go, go
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like this. And this is where it went
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through. There's a time for that, but I
23:24
don't think it's the time right now.
23:25
It's a question of tact at this point, right?
23:30
And so like, like you have to be honest.
23:34
I have a solution, FAS dev. FAS dev, you can send us Adm if
23:38
you're already in the discord at bit dot LY slash fas discord,
23:41
you can message any one of us and just say, yo, it's a lot.
23:45
That's all I got to say. Just let us know.
23:47
Hey. Oh yeah, it's a lot.
23:49
Message me personally, I will. I'll 100% start.
23:52
Everyone call me a blessed apologist if you're like, kind
23:55
of. Nice to me yeah that's right.
23:57
All it takes is for FAZ there to send like 1 message that says
24:01
it's a lot. And, and really anybody listen
24:03
if you're in the if you're part of the FAZ, you if you're a FAZ
24:06
head and you want to make Lex happy, just send her a message
24:09
from the discord that says it's a lot.
24:11
In fact, all listeners who are in the FAZ Discord, I would like
24:14
all of you to message Lex. Just send her Adm 2 words. 3
24:19
words. It's a lot if you say if.
24:22
It's hyphenated and you say it's a lot.
24:25
I think you can squeeze. At it.
24:26
That's, that's the goal. OK.
24:27
Fazz Fazzies. Fazz heads.
24:29
Fazz. Faz folk.
24:30
Oh my goodness. Fazzers.
24:31
Is about to be bombarded by the. Fazzers send Lex and the amateur
24:35
says it's a lot so that Lex knows that you know, and that
24:39
maybe one of you is Fazdev, and then we'll really never know the
24:42
truth. No marriage proposals don't send
24:44
that's weird that don't do that, that's weird.
24:46
Just here, keep those public on the YouTube.
24:51
That said, go ahead. So yeah, so in in seriousness
24:54
that that is a fairpoint. I think my immediate
24:57
counterpoint is like, yeah, and whose fault is it that I don't
24:59
trust Blizzard anymore? Like, it's not mine.
25:02
I wasn't the one making shit up. But that's sorry.
25:04
I'm I'll stop. You're assuming that they're
25:06
making you're, they're making stuff up again.
25:09
That's like part of like what's happened.
25:11
Like there's this like loss of faith in any, in any of the
25:16
communication. And therefore, like the the
25:20
conversation is you going like, what are you going to lie to me
25:22
about this time? So even if there is something in
25:26
there that's true, or if it's like, hey, we're going to share
25:29
this with you early and then we're going to change your mind,
25:32
then you're going to think, hey, when they change their mind,
25:34
they're lying to us. That's fair.
25:36
I mean, I, I, I, I can't stop thinking about this time last
25:39
expansion when all three of us were like so over the moon with
25:42
everything Blizzard was doing and getting really, really hype
25:45
and talking about how we and, and like scolding and
25:49
reprimanding people who we felt online were being unfair and not
25:52
giving them good faith. And so there's a love.
25:54
Like, it's not like Blizzard is not capable of having my faith,
25:58
but trust is built slowly and lost quickly.
26:01
And, and like, I hear what you say that like maybe I, I am
26:05
assuming bad faith and I've been, you know, I mean, I know I
26:08
am assuming bad faith. Maybe I've been assuming bad
26:10
faith for longer than I should have been.
26:13
And I've been like suspicious of Blizzard for a while.
26:17
You know, that's become part of my, you know, persona.
26:21
I suppose on the show is always assuming the Blizzard is
26:24
overworking their employees, for example.
26:27
But yeah, yeah. And like, I guess ultimately
26:30
also who cares what I think, right?
26:32
Like, they're going to do what they're going to do.
26:33
And I can yell into the void to the best of my ability, but
26:36
like, they can do it and they can delete the game.
26:40
They can delete the game tomorrow.
26:41
And there's nothing I could do about.
26:42
It. They would never do that, Lex.
26:44
If they were going to delete the game, they would do it alongside
26:46
another game to replace it. It would never happen all at
26:49
once, like a Band-Aid right off. They wouldn't stop one thing
26:54
without having something else already ramped up and to replace
26:57
it and some time together. Yeah, they're, and they're gonna
27:00
make sure that they talk to the other game developers, like
27:02
really carefully because they understand they have a lot of
27:04
information that Blizzard, World of Warcraft doesn't have before
27:07
they delete the game. Exactly Manny.
27:10
I also. I also feel like you don't
27:12
appreciate snarky Sean enough. No, no, it's, it's a, it's a,
27:15
it's a, it's a conspiracy. They have like timed this
27:20
perfectly with the release of fellowship.
27:22
So that and they've been like putting like putting their own
27:25
personal money in. So like when fellowship blows
27:28
up, their stocks are going to go like through the roof.
27:30
Blizzard employees. They're they're screwing you
27:32
over and you're falling for it. All of you.
27:34
ANYWAYS, back to a back in serious conversation.
27:38
But just for the record, I like Snarky Manny too.
27:40
I just like snark. Dude we should start a snark
27:42
podcast. We're just mean.
27:45
Yeah. So OK, I would like, if you
27:50
actually care what Lex says, feel free to message her so that
27:53
she doesn't keep saying nobody cares what she likes or what she
27:57
thinks about because I'm tired of hearing about it.
28:00
Maybe you are too. That said, they went through and
28:05
they did healing frames, raid frames and the updates on that.
28:10
And that is something that showed up right after we
28:12
finished the recording in the last episode with a bunch of new
28:15
information. Now this is an iteration.
28:20
This only shows one version. There are apparently 3 versions
28:23
coming out. But it is a step in the right
28:27
direction. And hopefully, with additional
28:29
feedback, we'll get further iteration on that.
28:32
Sean, tell us about this. OK, so they're redoing the raid
28:36
frames, just what Manny said. It looks first, offering looks
28:40
good. Now what we are looking at, if
28:41
you're reading the article, which you can find I assume in
28:43
the show description or online Google Wow raid frames or
28:49
something. I don't know how Google works
28:51
obviously, but the image they showed is a Photoshop.
28:55
So this is not in game functioning.
28:57
It is a Photoshop. There are a couple of very clear
29:00
signs that it is a Photoshop #1 being that all of the characters
29:04
are named after Brazilian soap stars #2 is that there is a
29:10
healer hunter who's marked as a healer, which isn't a
29:14
possibility. Which does consume a little bit
29:19
back up through like whatever levels of review.
29:23
Yeah, that's a hunter. That's a hunter cuz which one
29:26
the. Light greens.
29:27
Felix yeah, on the right hand. Oh, Yep, Yep, Yep.
29:31
Yep, Yep. But it looks great.
29:32
It's a good first offering. So they've addressed some things
29:34
that they're they and they specifically mentioned that
29:36
they're pulling from some very popular raid frame add-ons.
29:40
I have to assume cell because they're using a cell like
29:43
overlay to show how poisons look.
29:47
So they have, there's a raid raid frame glow and then like an
29:51
opaque overlay and then an icon in the top right corner when
29:54
somebody has a dispel on them. In this case it's poison.
29:57
We don't see any other types other than poison, but I have to
30:00
assume that a curse would be purple, a magic would be blue or
30:03
something like that. That's a great change, very
30:06
positive. They have said they're going to
30:08
highlight and make bigger to indicate tank swap mechanics,
30:13
which is great if I'm forced to use the raid frames to identify
30:20
tank swap mechanics. But if I am forced to use the
30:24
raid frames to identify tank swap mechanics, I'll probably
30:26
stop playing Warcraft. I would really really like for
30:30
an option if that's the only way to do it.
30:32
Right now every tank that's any good uses a week or other tracks
30:35
Their tanks, their code tank stacks of whatever D buff it is.
30:39
If we lose that ability, we need to have some way to pop out
30:41
specific frames from the raid frames which they don't mention,
30:44
but that's feedback that they can use because no tank is
30:47
staring at raid frames trying to find out how many stacks our
30:49
code tank has. But that's one change we're
30:52
making. They are putting all of our
30:53
buffs and stuff in places so it it looks it looks good.
30:57
There is one thing I want to call out which looks to be an
31:00
out of. So right now it already you
31:02
could already have frames grey out that are out of range, but
31:05
this looks to be showing a line of sight indicator.
31:09
And honestly, this article came out October 23rd, so seven days
31:16
ago, six days ago as of this recording.
31:19
And everybody on the planet has theorized that that I with a
31:25
line through it is a line of sight indicator to say that this
31:28
person is not just out of range, which great, a great out raid
31:32
frame now means out of range. But this has an eye with a line
31:35
through it. Everybody that I know has
31:38
surmised that to mean it's a new line of sight indicator which
31:41
doesn't currently exist. And if it's not if, if, if it
31:46
has been guessed and theorized for six days that this is a line
31:51
of sight indicator and it's not, and Blizzard hasn't come out to
31:55
say, hey, no, no, say hey, we hear you.
31:57
And we know that that would be awesome.
31:58
That technology doesn't exist. It just means they're out of
32:00
range. If they haven't corrected people
32:03
and it's not a line of sight indicator, you're going to have
32:06
a lot of very angry people, a lot of angry healers.
32:10
I would love. I think it should be both.
32:13
I think it should be that through either line of sight or
32:16
range. You can't target this person.
32:19
Just put it as one symbol that covers both.
32:21
Yeah, that works, but everybody has it like so right now the way
32:24
RAID frames work, grayed out is out of range and there is
32:28
nothing for line of sight. Having that eye on there and not
32:32
just grayed out has made people think, oh, hey, this means line
32:35
of sight if it's still no line of sight, because if somebody is
32:39
in range but out of line of sight, they're fully they look
32:41
like they can be healed. So I'm just saying that after
32:44
six days of people celebrating what looks to be new
32:47
functionality, if it hasn't been like clearly corrected from
32:51
Blizzard to say, hey, that's not what this is.
32:53
It's going to be really it's going to be a blood path when it
32:55
find when it comes out that it's not what it is, but they look
32:59
great. So still some concerns.
33:01
It's it's a good, it's a really good starting point.
33:04
The the overlays for dispels is really nice.
33:07
The locked in positions for buffs and debuffs, which they
33:11
state in here where those go. That's also really nice to have
33:15
there. But there it's not this is not a
33:17
finished product. They're going to have three
33:18
different versions of this. But we, we still want to see
33:23
because right now it said people will be able to add-ons will be
33:26
able to manipulate where things are in the frames.
33:30
But that doesn't solve the problem of we desperately,
33:33
desperately, desperately need to be able to select what buffs and
33:37
debuffs are shown in these frames.
33:40
Please, please, please let us do that.
33:43
I don't need to see, you know, that somebody has sated for the
33:49
next 9 minutes on their frame. I don't need to see that.
33:52
I don't need to see that, you know, their Hearthstone is on
33:54
cooldown or whatever. Like actually, I don't think
33:57
it's a debuff, but I just let us whitelist and blacklist buffs
34:02
and debuffs please. That is so important on
34:04
everything. Like not just the raid frames on
34:07
the cool down manager, on the name plates.
34:09
That's my number one ask for everything you're doing,
34:12
Blizzard, let us select give us that choice because I mean,
34:17
there's lots of examples outside of raid frames I want to get
34:19
into. But like the outbreak with Death
34:22
Knight Luxtos was just talking about it today on Twitter how if
34:24
you don't have a certain thing talented, there's no reason to
34:26
track outbreak, but you're still tracking it.
34:28
And so it's just a pointless information anyway, the rate
34:31
frames look good. It's a good starting point, but
34:34
we're in phase five. We know there's a phase 6 coming
34:37
of the alpha. We don't know if yet if there's
34:39
a phase seven this much. Like the damage meters, much
34:42
like the debuff tracking, much like the external defensives, is
34:46
not yet functional in the game, that's not implemented.
34:49
Much like sound alerts on boswangs, not yet implemented.
34:54
I would really like to be able to test some of the stuff and
34:56
not just look at a picture of it that was done up by AUI guy or
34:59
girl person. AUI person.
35:02
But while we are waiting, the carnage continues.
35:07
We have seen a number of additional add on developers say
35:12
that they are pausing support for many popular add-ons.
35:16
So we will see how quickly Blizzard can get it up to the
35:21
point where they get some of those that support.
35:25
But obviously we core said before LVUI now has said that
35:31
they they don't believe they can do support going forward.
35:37
There have been additional information put out to the devs
35:41
that show stuff that is coming with the phase five that we just
35:44
got this week that is coming with the reported phase six that
35:48
Sean alluded to earlier that we haven't seen an official
35:52
confirmation on and beyond that. But at this point, I know the
36:01
conversation about add-ons has sort of overshadowed everything.
36:04
But this is a big reason why even if you are not currently in
36:11
the alpha, you should still get feedback, feedback in.
36:16
If you see, and you're like, OK, I won't have this.
36:21
It is fair to have your perspective go onto the forum,
36:24
say like, hey, like I use this for this reason, or I can't do
36:29
this without this. Like all of that is information
36:32
and let Blizzard sort it out because they asked for it.
36:36
It's their job to to sort it out.
36:38
With that said, let's let's move on.
36:41
We have heard some other unconfirmed rumors which kind of
36:45
got a click bait title from our dear friends at Wowhead.
36:51
The Windows Central website speculated about the power of
36:58
the next Xbox. It was them going off of some
37:03
statements and as well as some of their own insider sources to
37:11
talk about what the next Xbox will be capable of, what they
37:15
think it will be capable of, and what that might mean for various
37:19
functions of this console. And of course, 1 of it was that
37:24
this new Xbox is basically going to be a PC, a set PC in a
37:29
package that they sell as an Xbox.
37:33
And that means that it will be able to run anything that APC
37:38
should be able to add, including various game store fronts like
37:42
the Steam game front, Epic Store, and of course important
37:46
to us, the Blizzard Battle.net. If they can do that, that means
37:51
they're going to be able to download and run World of
37:55
Warcraft. But that doesn't mean like was
37:59
somewhat suggested and all over the Internet was there that Wow
38:03
was being reworked. They knew this was coming.
38:06
Wow was being reworked for consoles.
38:08
Congratulations, all those conspiracy theorists.
38:10
You are finally proven right now.
38:12
It's just that the next Xbox is APC that they're naming Xbox and
38:17
so therefore it should be compatible with Wow.
38:20
But yeah, this was a fun, like, I think it was an afternoon of
38:25
people just going absolutely wild.
38:28
And in the show notes, I have literally linked just Wow and
38:33
consoles as a Twitter search, and you can see some of the wild
38:38
things that people were saying. It was great.
38:41
The Internet pundits did not disappoint.
38:45
Lex, if you could get Wow on your console, how happy would
38:50
you be? So I'm one of the people who was
38:53
dooming a little bit when this came out because.
38:56
So I was saying that I did not want World of Warcraft to be a
39:00
console game because I thought that changing it to reworking it
39:04
in a way that would make it accessible on consoles would
39:07
ruin a lot of what made World of Warcraft fun for me.
39:09
And I do not play on consoles for a reason.
39:12
And one of my friends very nicely in an attempt to calm me
39:14
down, said, oh, but Lex, you play Final Fantasy and Final
39:18
Fantasy is also console accessible.
39:19
Do you think it's a worst game because it's console accessible?
39:23
And in that moment, I hadn't really thought I, I don't know
39:26
if I didn't realize or hadn't thought deeply about it, but I
39:29
didn't, had not really mentally processed that Final Fantasy was
39:32
a console game. And I suddenly understood all of
39:34
the things I hate about Final Fantasy.
39:36
And I'm like like, oh, that's why the mechanics suck.
39:41
That's why fight design is terrible, which I'm so sorry.
39:44
If you're a final fancy person, you're like, wow, I did not come
39:46
into for Aseroth expecting my Yum to be yucked.
39:50
Forgive me. I'm glad that you like your gum.
39:52
I think it's icky. I I, yeah, I am getting a little
39:58
bit convinced by my friends that World of Warcraft is being
40:02
worked for consoles. I don't know anything about game
40:05
development, so I don't know if that's true.
40:06
They've just very much talked me into that side.
40:09
But I I don't know how game devs work.
40:11
I don't know any of that stuff. But I hope it's not because I
40:14
don't think that MO mechanics are fun on consoles.
40:18
I think that is bad. This is again, because it is
40:21
APC, this allows them to avoid a lot of the hoops that they would
40:27
have to jump through to get all those sort of things onto this
40:32
system. So that means like all those
40:34
PlayStation exclusives that have come out to PC, well now they
40:37
can be run on this Xbox through this roundabout way.
40:41
If you've played on Steam OS, which can like backlog into the
40:49
Linux that it's running on or they have those, I forget what
40:55
the company is, you know what it's in the notes.
40:57
It is the Xbox Ally and like a number of companies have that.
41:02
There's the RG Ally and so forth.
41:04
But it is basically a glorified Steam Steam deck.
41:09
It's a quote UN quote console first.
41:12
So you boot and you play and you it goes right into your library
41:16
and you pick the game and you get to play.
41:17
Play your game off of it. The controls are typically
41:21
preset to be compatible with compatible games, but you can
41:25
play incompatible games, but you'll have to do a little bit
41:28
more work to set up the controls.
41:30
You can put various things onto that that aren't necessarily
41:35
meant for meant for it, but are just compatible with the base
41:40
hardware that's running in the background.
41:42
The Xbox would be much the same way, and that's why it allows
41:46
you to play Wow on there, but it doesn't mean that you're going
41:49
to be able to properly do half the things that you want to do
41:54
on Wow, especially on such a small screen.
41:57
I would hate to raid on an ally with a screen about that big
42:01
that would have to be hooked up to ATV or something to get the
42:06
details I want. Yeah.
42:07
And if that's the direction, if it's, if it's more that like,
42:09
oh, they're making the Xbox more of APC, so hype like, which is
42:11
what I, I want to say. I understand that's what they're
42:13
saying in the Wowhead article. I think that's great.
42:15
I if, if they were testing, because they did very explicitly
42:20
state you can play World of Warcraft through Battle.net.
42:22
And if, if that was them testing the waters to see how World of
42:25
Warcraft players would feel about World of Warcraft being
42:27
reworked to be played on a console, I feel bad about that.
42:30
Don't do it. I don't want you to do it.
42:34
Please don't don't worry about no thank you or at the very
42:39
least, don't you know, design your mechanics for PC players.
42:44
If the if the console players want to play the video game and
42:47
they want to turn on single button mode and they want to be,
42:50
you know, struggle with mechanics, more power to you,
42:52
but design it as APC game and who knows?
42:55
I don't know. I don't know how dev I I don't
42:57
know if it's true that the reason they put in single button
43:00
mode was because they were planning on making it go to
43:01
consoles eventually. Do I look like I understand how
43:04
to develop a video game? That's my take.
43:07
I I want to throw it to Sean, but also I do want to say that
43:10
like people who are running a Steam Deck have been playing Wow
43:14
on the Steam Deck already. Like I believe content creator
43:18
Mr. GM has done like even tutorials about how you can set
43:21
that up. So like it is possible now, but
43:25
obviously that's not the intention or like a evident
43:28
attention of the design of World of Warcraft or the developers.
43:32
It's just something that you're able to do, much like some
43:35
people have gotten the original doom to work on a pregnancy test
43:39
or something like that. So it's like just because it's
43:43
possible doesn't mean it's intended.
43:44
I want to pass it to you, Sean. Anything you want to throw in
43:47
there? I was just, I, I can't miss this
43:55
opportunity to potentially rile X up a little bit.
43:58
So I'm going to Lex. They're very clearly not
44:02
designing Warcraft for consoles because if they were, they'd
44:05
have to remove add-ons, simplify all the classes, remove
44:09
complexity from the the raid mechanics and implement
44:12
something that you could just like hold down 1 button and have
44:14
attacks happen. So it's very clear that Blizzard
44:19
is not developing console, the Warcraft for consoles.
44:24
There you go. I, I honestly don't think they
44:27
are, but that was a fun tweet that I saw this week and I
44:32
thought that it felt fitting because I'm pretty sure Alexa's
44:35
convinced they're developing Warcraft Forgotten.
44:37
But again, I don't know anything about game development.
44:40
My friends who know things about game development have made that
44:43
point to me, and I don't know how to like.
44:45
Repeat it. It's like a huge huge process to
44:50
do a console port from APC game. Like right now there's not even
44:54
native controller support in Warcraft for them to port it to
44:58
Xbox to make it a console game you'd have to plug in a mouse
45:02
and keyboard still. Like otherwise, the only way to
45:04
do proper control support is with an add on, which on a
45:07
normal console you wouldn't be able to do.
45:12
The Blizzard team will never take on a project not fully
45:14
understanding how complex it is and like just release it really
45:18
rapidly and very under completed.
45:21
Has any listened listeners? You have to message Lex just
45:24
it's a lot. It's all you have to say.
45:26
I'm worried from my friend who is worried for the developers in
45:32
this game that we love. So if you don't want to support
45:37
Lex with messages of cheer and love, you can support us in a
45:42
number of different ways, including through Patreon.
45:45
Because nothing says I love you like some money.
45:48
At least that's what my mom tells me.
45:50
So, Sean, go ahead and tell us about our latest Patreon.
45:54
All right, we're staying on the Script this Week chat.
45:56
I guarantee it. Before I do any of that, I want
45:59
to give a special thanks to our newest Patreon, Dax.
46:01
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46:03
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46:11
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46:23
out. We are going to now be putting
46:26
our unedited full pre show and post show ramble in audio format
46:31
on the Patreon. So if you want to know what we
46:33
talk about when we're not talking about Warcraft as we get
46:36
ready to talk about Warcraft, you could jump on there and and
46:40
have a listen. Spoiler alert it's not very
46:43
exciting. I thought I mean it's thrilling
46:48
edge of your seat stuff. I.
46:49
Think it's fun? I think you're fun people.
46:52
I think it's fun to hear. I shoot the shit.
46:54
Sorry Manny, I did it again. Why do you guys just like, you
46:57
know, like stick to the script I just put so much effort into?
47:01
These so close. Listen Manny, you copied that
47:04
script from Joss. You don't get to take credit for
47:08
the Patriot script. I mean the rest of the the rest
47:11
of the notes which are really. Good script, just entirely.
47:14
Should I only read off the notes?
47:15
Manny, do you want no emotion and no thought for me?
47:18
Honestly. Actually, probably yes, based on
47:20
the number of times I've sworn in this episode and then snarked
47:23
at the people who like, no, yeah, Manny's like, yes, in
47:26
fact. In fact, why don't you talk to
47:29
us about Midnight Alpha Phase five, Lex, with the script right
47:33
there in front of you. A little earlier than in weeks
47:36
past, the next phase of the Alpha is here.
47:39
Level 90 Story and Quest. Level 90 Campaign, Chapter 1.
47:46
I regret I regret everything continue in regular.
47:50
OK, so Alpha phase 5 is here. Here we got a little sooner than
47:54
you expected. We so you can we're up to level
47:58
90. Now we have our story.
48:00
We're on to the level 90 quest, chapter one.
48:02
We have the Argentina visitor cross, which I'm very excited to
48:05
talk to you guys about because I did a little bit of that.
48:07
We have our weekly quest. You have to either use the the
48:12
skip or complete the main campaign if you want to get
48:14
access to that. So if you're in alpha and you're
48:16
like, oh, what are we going to do?
48:18
There you go. And you also have all previous
48:21
content. You can access that as well in
48:24
housing. Budgets for the room placement
48:27
and decor are back to the levels close to about week 3.
48:30
I'm gonna be honest, every time I've logged in, housing has been
48:32
bugged, so I don't actually know what that means.
48:34
Somebody wanna tell me what that means?
48:36
So last week they had greatly slashed like the budget that you
48:41
had for like placing items in rooms or even the amount of
48:44
rooms that you could do. So like remember week 1 where
48:46
you're like, I've made 20 rooms and like, oh, I can't decorate
48:49
them all. That might not have been
48:51
possible last week and in. Fact.
48:54
Well, last week there was no housing like.
48:56
What I was going to. Say they drastically slashed.
49:00
But like, sorry, the the previous week, but then like on
49:04
top of that, people were saying that like, hey, with this new
49:08
greatly reduced ceiling of what we can put into rooms and how
49:11
many rooms we can have the the tutorial show house that they
49:18
have on the on the wow launcher wouldn't be possible.
49:22
Like it was. That was above these caps.
49:25
Like an insane person. Respectfully, if you're one of
49:27
the people in my discords, I think discords like it's not
49:30
just my guilt discord that I listen to.
49:33
OK, OK, I'm caught up. I'm caught up.
49:35
Dyes are back too by the way, in housing, so those were re
49:37
enabled. We have our delves, we have
49:40
Parhelion Plaza, the Dark Way, and we have Torments Rise, which
49:43
is our nemesis Delve. Prey is available.
49:46
I actually kind of can't believe I haven't tested that before
49:48
this game, this show, because I've been talking about it so
49:50
much. So I will test Prey and I'll
49:52
come back to you guys about if it's good next week.
49:53
Have you guys tested Prey? Do you guys know if it's good?
49:56
I I was working through most of the day so I did not have a
49:59
chance to test it. I didn't test it because I'm so
50:02
used to being the predator that I'm not used to being prey.
50:05
So this is what's confusing to me, what the prey system is.
50:08
I think you are the predator. No, don't you get jumped?
50:11
Something jumps you, right, It chases you down.
50:13
That's. The thing is, you're getting
50:14
jumped, but you're objectively stalking someone.
50:17
Oh, we're both the prey, Chat is telling us we're both the prey.
50:20
But then does that? Doesn't that make every nobody
50:22
the prey? You can't.
50:23
What if the real prey was the friends we made along the way?
50:28
Yeah, that's why they don't. That's why every time I try to
50:30
run Mythic Plus with people they go offline almost.
50:33
Like 10 times worse because you rhymed like you're a poet and
50:38
you are unaware of the fact that it's just horrible.
50:40
Well, that I've ever single handedly ended a show before,
50:43
OK. So yes, we'll definitely come
50:47
back with our first impressions of Prey 'cause I do think that
50:51
it is one of the more interesting things that they've
50:54
added, especially as like quasi end game Pillar now that we're
51:00
getting gear out of it instead of it being just cosmetic like
51:02
they originally thought. I would like, I would like to
51:06
make a proposal that at least on the show and in the greater FAZ
51:09
verse, we stop calling any solo player content as an end game
51:12
pillar because it's just not. It's not why you can't.
51:18
Because you, you know, you knew that I was not to open mic Manny
51:21
and be like, oh, is it an end game pillar if it's ending at
51:24
the same point that most end game pillars start?
51:27
Like, I was gonna be a little snarky, a little talk about
51:29
that. Yeah okay.
51:30
Wait, so you're saying that the only way to be an end game
51:33
pillar is to provide the highest loot possible?
51:37
Yes, yeah, in order to be an end game pillar, you have to provide
51:41
gear that is equivalent to what you can get in the highest
51:44
content of the game. So Mythic plus BVP, because it's
51:47
a separate loot system and it's own and rating, those are the
51:51
three pillars. Yeah, crafting.
51:54
Sure, I'll put crafting in there.
51:56
Oh, that's no Oh, I see the point man he's about to make.
51:58
Because that's solo content. So there is a solo end game
52:01
killer. Thank you.
52:03
Solo crafting, not solo I I require people who have the
52:07
professions to craft the things for me.
52:09
Oh, that's a good point. Sean doesn't do his own work.
52:13
The crafters can't possibly level up all on their own
52:16
without help. Yes, they can tell me you've
52:19
never been. Well, I guess alchemists don't
52:20
make gear. I obviously know nothing about
52:22
crafting and I would like to move on.
52:25
Speaking of crafting, you guys, you can test Sparks now, yeah?
52:29
They're so good at getting shows back on track.
52:32
Yeah, testing that, it doesn't seem like there's much
52:36
difference other than like the new changes in quality of items
52:40
and what you can craft. I do want to try and reach out
52:44
to somebody who is one of those like more in the crafting at
52:48
least if not like a serious gold maker to see what they think
52:52
things are shaping out. But that's I think it's always
52:54
something that I consider more in the beta and such when when
52:58
classes are more solidified, so we know what the classes would
53:01
be after. And like items haven't randomly
53:05
changed. But I I would be the thing about
53:11
professions is I would be more interested in them if they
53:14
actually counted for something. It's the one thing on Alpha Beta
53:18
that like I cannot do, I cannot test because it feels so running
53:26
on a hamster wheel, like I'm just doing work for the sake of
53:29
does this hamster wheel work rather than just.
53:31
Sitting in a rocking chair, it gives you something to do, but
53:33
you don't get very far. Pretty much, and which is funny
53:37
that I don't have that same consideration with any of the
53:39
questing any of the like time. I'm like wailing on some poor
53:45
practice dummy because I feel like when I do that, the
53:51
information that I get helps me when the game goes and
53:54
technically this crafting stuff should do that.
53:57
I don't know why I just have that mental divide there.
54:02
Because you don't think solo activities are really worth your
54:05
time. Yeah, but like testing.
54:07
That's why he's a cutting edge Raider.
54:10
Like I'm testing delves. I mean, we both know you're not
54:13
testing any delves, Sir. What I'm testing delves.
54:16
I'm enjoying delves anyways. Well, Speaking of Delves, there
54:21
is one thing that's not on the show notes that I do want to
54:23
bring up because Chad mentioned it and we would be remiss if we
54:25
didn't. There's a new Hall of Fame for
54:29
the Delve Nemesis. Oh, that's the top.
54:32
The 1st 1000 People to Kill question mark.
54:36
Question mark. Not Kyvesa.
54:40
We'll be in the Delvers Hall of Fame.
54:44
How many only Delve players do you think will get that versus
54:49
how many CE rank one Raiders will get it because they're
54:53
doing it in Week 1. I think that they'll be healthy
54:57
mix of them because especially sorry in season 1 I suspect it
55:02
will be tilted more towards the people doing a lot of different
55:05
content because the gear disparity between where you
55:08
start at just hitting level 80 and what you would need to
55:12
complete this will be the largest is going to be all
55:15
expansion. However in season 2 and season 3
55:18
I suspect that a lot of delve only players are going to tear
55:22
through it and they're going to have a healthy representation on
55:25
on the Hall of Fame board. Especially since the Chi Vesa
55:32
stuff doesn't count towards your vault in terms of dropping,
55:39
dropping loot like you would get at the end of a normal delve.
55:43
And therefore the people who are more focused on raise, the
55:45
people who are more focused on M plus and gearing for that are
55:48
less likely to push along that mind you, you know, people who
55:51
have done funnier stuff for Hall of Fame.
55:53
There's a lot of, there's a lot of social and reward aspects
55:57
that I think will make this different.
56:01
OK, all right, that was a well thought out answer.
56:04
I have no snarky reply. OK, I I I will give you a little
56:07
snarky thing that you didn't quite consider.
56:10
You don't give this same shade to people who get title in M
56:15
Plus or who get Hall of Fame in in raid.
56:18
Say how many people who just raid get Hall of Fame in raid?
56:22
So your bias is showing on that. Just raids get gets Hall of Fame
56:26
and and I will actually actually say I do think it's frustrating
56:30
as a Raider that I like by definition have to do non raid
56:33
things. I'm happier now that I have
56:34
Dallas, but I I could throw fit for hours about that back when
56:38
the only real way to get a gear outside of raid is with mythic
56:42
plus. I reserve all of my mythic plus
56:45
title snark for people selling boosts to title.
56:49
OK, all right, I will. I will say Lex, that I think
56:56
that if you are going to play at the highest levels, whether that
56:59
is PvP, whether that is title pushing M plus, whether that is
57:04
Hall of Fame raids or this Hall of Fame delves, being able to
57:12
get the best from all versions of the game should give you an
57:17
advantage that that kind of mastery of the entirety of the
57:21
game being funneled towards something I think is something
57:26
I'm a OK with. Now, I don't think that you as
57:30
an AOTC Raider, right, should feel that you need to get 12
57:37
pluses to unlock mythic level gear or 10 pluses to get it in
57:43
your vault so that you can overpower the heroic raid.
57:48
That to me is a struggle That should that that I'm glad that
57:52
they are dressing. I, I what's in between there?
57:55
That that's where I'm like, OK, I'm not so sure.
57:57
That's super fair. I will say, and I've said this
58:00
on the show before, I would be more on your side to wimp both
58:03
ways if there was nobody pushing mythic plus title.
58:06
And maybe I'm wrong. I don't actually really know who
58:08
pushes title because I'm not a high level player, but my
58:10
understanding is there is a lot of people who push M plus and
58:14
only like I I I have never heard any mythic plus player say you
58:19
know. What sucks is the fact that I
58:20
have to do a minimum of three hours of rating every single
58:23
week if I want to be able to push keys.
58:25
There are those people, There are definitely, yeah.
58:27
And like some very popular content creators who only Mythic
58:32
Plus or who are very vocal about the fact that they only raid
58:37
because the best trinket or the best cantrip item is in the
58:41
raid. J dot B, one of the best healers
58:44
in the world, multiple MDI competitor and yeah, hates
58:50
raiding. Julie hates it and is very vocal
58:53
about the fact that he shouldn't have to raid to just play M plus
58:57
and he's not alone. Yeah, there is a lot of people
58:59
and there's a there is a lot of Raiders.
59:01
You're not alone either Lex there.
59:02
Even on our rating there are. There's one in the chat who if
59:06
they didn't have to do mythic plus for the gear edge that it
59:09
gives them a mythic rating, they wouldn't.
59:11
They would never step foot into a mythic plus.
59:13
One of them convinced our entire rate team to run normal instead
59:16
of LFR this week for the DNR buff just so they wouldn't have
59:19
to do 4 dungeons. Which is so valid, just me
59:23
convincing people to do heroic. So yes, OK, OK, well, then then
59:27
I'm not and that's super fair. And I will own that.
59:29
And I guess there is actually give and take and that's you
59:32
know, but I OK, I'll I'll I'll buy that Manny that it's valid
59:36
to do better in the game if you're able to do all of the
59:38
types of the game, then if you just specialize in one thing.
59:42
My my dark confession is that I hate pet battling because there
59:47
are certain amounts that are behind pet battling and I don't
59:50
want to do pet battling to get those mounts.
59:53
And so like selfishly I wish that they would change pet
59:56
battling so that like pets would even have the pet battle anymore
1:00:00
in future expansions. I'm just going to slip that to
1:00:02
Faz Dev so that maybe I get my way.
1:00:04
How do you hate? Animals.
1:00:08
Can't you just like super squirt day and juice up?
1:00:11
Never touch super squirt day that that seems like getting way
1:00:13
into pet battling than I have any wish to ever do I've done.
1:00:18
Casting for pet babbling and I don't know what you guys, I
1:00:20
actually I only did casting. Because I have to know what
1:00:22
Super Squirt. Listen, if anybody on this
1:00:24
podcast knows Super Squirt Day, Lex, it's you.
1:00:27
You're the pet battler. Surely it's like the power
1:00:30
leveling day for for animals in your Garrison or something.
1:00:33
Yeah, and I, I should also say that I was invited to pet battle
1:00:37
to, to cast pet battles because they wanted somebody who could
1:00:39
kind of like counter the person who understood pet battling and
1:00:42
like explain it to the audience. So I was the idiot, which is,
1:00:45
you know, I'm like, I'm the idiot on another form of, of
1:00:48
content creation that people use to like be the audience.
1:00:52
I don't know. Anyway, because of the episode
1:00:55
relaxed as a hater, how do you guys feel about Argentina?
1:00:59
Oh, I haven't tried it yet, but I guess.
1:01:01
That's why OK, so last last episode, Sean was trying to give
1:01:06
a shout out to the to one of the fast devs was like, hey,
1:01:09
whichever one of you fast dev created that mini game where you
1:01:12
like untie the lines and stuff, love you and everything.
1:01:15
There's an infinite version of that in the Argentina.
1:01:18
Are. You serious?
1:01:19
Yeah, the the one where you switched the pipes around in the
1:01:23
Argentina. End it, I gotta go log.
1:01:29
In Yeah and you get introduced to it as part of the Air Thor
1:01:35
storyline. So it so it is something you can
1:01:38
get pretty quickly. Anybody needs me?
1:01:40
I'm a I'm a line on Tangler Maine now.
1:01:43
Is there a Hall of Fame for this Can I get nothing gear from the
1:01:46
Can I get nothing gear from? It oh wait, we we need gear.
1:01:48
Yeah, we need gear. Otherwise it's not natural end
1:01:50
game. Anyway, I'm a lion on Tangler.
1:01:52
That's my new, my new end game. I'm off the right team.
1:01:54
Somebody tell Barack. Warrior line on Tangler.
1:01:59
That's right. Race the world straight
1:02:04
untangling. Yeah, that's right, world.
1:02:07
Strange. Unfortunate pause.
1:02:11
We'll continue. Yeah, that's probably gonna be,
1:02:13
well, the offensive. We'll get letters.
1:02:15
Yeah, you can send those the bit dot LY slash fast discord.
1:02:19
And then of course, as we are now reaching phase five, they
1:02:22
have been putting in a number of things that are part of the end
1:02:26
game. So as we were talking about the
1:02:28
Argentina Lex, you were talking about Prey.
1:02:31
But there are all of those events that are in the different
1:02:34
areas that allow you to do different things.
1:02:37
So we've got the Legends of the Herrenar, which is the lore
1:02:41
based 1 the Stormarian Citadel, which is the one in the Void
1:02:45
Storm, the Amani Abyss. Again, that's hair and our
1:02:49
abundance is in all of the zones.
1:02:51
And of course the Satharils soiree, which we well one it's
1:02:59
in silver moon, but we believe that is something along the
1:03:01
lines of Ambercord. The other thing that's part of
1:03:04
the end game are class sets. They they had some implemented
1:03:08
with last one. And then this week we've added a
1:03:11
lot more. All of these look very, very
1:03:14
basic. They're just straight flat DPS
1:03:17
increases for particular moves. I think it's, it's worth noting
1:03:25
that all the tank ones were also damage increases.
1:03:27
They're not like defensive increases, which, you know, I, I
1:03:32
like that for a tank sometimes, like you're just survivable
1:03:35
enough and getting a little more damage feels better as a tank.
1:03:40
Yeah, plus one. Plus one for that. 6/7.
1:03:44
No, I'm leaving the show. I don't want to hear that ever
1:03:47
again. Am I doing it right?
1:03:50
Am I? I don't know, I just saw a clip.
1:03:55
Except. Little dear good.
1:03:56
Anyways, do you check out the notes?
1:03:58
There are a lot of class changes still going on, so make sure you
1:04:01
are checking that and we will be back next week with even more.
1:04:07
Manny. Sarah, will you cater about the
1:04:08
Argentina? And I've never heard him change
1:04:10
the topic faster in his life. I have a question.
1:04:15
They've been tuning the class sets like the book class sets in
1:04:19
a few weeks ago. They've been tuning stuff like
1:04:21
that. There's been no end game content
1:04:23
available to test. What are they basing the tuning
1:04:26
on? They were tuning the sets,
1:04:29
they've been adding in the sets, right?
1:04:32
Pretty. Sure, I saw changes to damage
1:04:34
numbers for some of the sets. Well, some of them are based on
1:04:37
the class tuning, which means that the set now needs to
1:04:40
reflect that, right? OK, alright, I'll buy that.
1:04:42
That works. I'll take it now.
1:04:44
You may end. OK, until next time guys, may
1:04:47
all your hits be crits.