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SMNTY Classics: Fear Street · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and welcome to stuff.
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Speaker 2: I never told you Protection of iHeartRadio, and today we
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Speaker 2: are bringing back another classic episode.
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Speaker 1: It is just me. Samantha is off doing.
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Speaker 2: Some family stuff, but I thought, you know what we
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Speaker 2: should bring back as we are getting closer to Halloween
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Speaker 2: as this comes out another classic horror trilogy.
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Speaker 1: Actually it's pretty recent.
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Speaker 2: So this was the Spoiled Saturdays on Fear Street. And
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Speaker 2: there has been a new film to this series. I
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Speaker 2: have not seen it yet, so do not spoil me.
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Speaker 2: But this was a really fun one and we do
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Speaker 2: talk about all all three of the movies in this
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Speaker 2: So hopefully if you're looking for some horror movies, we
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Speaker 2: are here for you and I if you need suggestions,
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Speaker 2: just write it and I will email you back. But yes,
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Speaker 2: please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and
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Speaker 2: Samantha and we go be stuff. I never told you
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Speaker 2: Protection of iHeartRadio, and it's time for another edition of
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Speaker 2: Spoiled Saturdays. Today we are going to be talking about
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Speaker 2: the Afear Street trilogy which is on Netflix. So if
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Speaker 2: you don't want to be spoiled, then I suggest that
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Speaker 2: you go and watch them and come back. I had
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Speaker 2: the pleasure of rewatching them yesterday for work. So it's
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Speaker 2: funny to be because when these movies came out, people
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Speaker 2: kept telling me you have to watch them, you have
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Speaker 2: to watch them, you love them. And I was like, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'll get to them eventually, and when I did, I
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Speaker 2: did love them. And then I sort of like spread
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Speaker 2: it to other people, and I kept telling my friends like,
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Speaker 2: if you start, if you watch the first one, we're
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Speaker 2: gonna be up all night because you're gonna watch the
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Speaker 2: second one, and then you're gonna want to watch that
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Speaker 2: third one. And they all said, no, no, no, I'll be
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Speaker 2: good watching the first one.
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Speaker 1: And then three.
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Speaker 2: AM rolls all around and they're like, oh no, let's
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Speaker 2: watch the X. How did you discover them? What was
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Speaker 2: your first experience like?
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Speaker 3: So, yeah, when I first watched it, I didn't know
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Speaker 3: what I was getting into. I loved the Fear Street
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Speaker 3: series that was originally released in the nineties, I believe
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Speaker 3: by R. L Stein, completely different. Obviously, this is a
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Speaker 3: whole different take, so I don't quite remember. I do
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Speaker 3: remember the sisters in the book, and I remember the
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Speaker 3: traveling back and forth. If you remember the Fear Street
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Speaker 3: any of R. L Stein's books, like that first and foremost,
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Speaker 3: it was very sexual. For teenager reading these books, they
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Speaker 3: were really sexual. I was like, holy crap, yes, as
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Speaker 3: a repressed teen, give me this. So I feel like
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Speaker 3: they held to that one pretty closely. Outside of that,
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Speaker 3: I was excited to see that I was radated r
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Speaker 3: or at least mature because for me, obviously again this
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Speaker 3: was a teen series. But you really can't get to
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Speaker 3: the essence of the book without all of that violence,
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Speaker 3: because you do read the violence in the book and
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Speaker 3: you're like, what is happening and you're gripped by it.
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Speaker 3: So love love love the book. Really excited that they
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Speaker 3: took this point and made it different, but they still
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Speaker 3: had the fear Street fear sisters. I think there's only
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Speaker 3: one in this one, but the original is the fear
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Speaker 3: f I e r talking about how that went on.
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Speaker 3: The The name good also happens. I don't think in
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Speaker 3: the book, and this is how long it's been, there
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Speaker 3: was anything about Sunnyville or Shady Side, so that's new
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Speaker 3: to me. Maybe tell me if I'm wrong. I feel
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Speaker 3: like it was a whole like back and forth with
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Speaker 3: a family, but not necessarily with like community. But I
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Speaker 3: could be wrong. It could be just something that slipped
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Speaker 3: from my mind. But yeah, watching the series delighted, love
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Speaker 3: to take it, had loved the flashbacks, love all that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really really fun. I grew up reading Goosebumps.
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Speaker 2: I will tell you that used to scare me so
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Speaker 2: badly that I really don't remember them.
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Speaker 1: Like my mind was like.
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Speaker 3: Nope, one alien, dude, it was a bug.
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Speaker 2: The one that like really terrified me was the one
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Speaker 2: where the kid got trapped in the mirror. He get
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Speaker 2: trapped in the mirror world and there was because you know,
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Speaker 2: I doppelgangers freaked me out, so like the doppelganger was
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Speaker 2: living his life and he could.
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Speaker 1: Only see from the mirror.
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Speaker 2: Oh, listeners, if you have a favorite goo Stumps book,
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Speaker 2: please let us know.
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Speaker 3: Just remember the teacher that turns into a bug alien.
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Speaker 3: That's the one I remember. Goosebumps was not a mi Ali,
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Speaker 3: but yeah, I just remembered that one bug of like
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Speaker 3: what the hell?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had we had all of them.
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Speaker 2: We had like a little bookshelf and it just had
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Speaker 2: all the Goosebumps and I would stay up and I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to sleep because they scared me so badly. Uh, well,
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Speaker 2: speaking of before we get into this. As always, as
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Speaker 2: it's made clear in recent episodes, if we ever recommend
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Speaker 2: a movie, please do your own research first.
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Speaker 1: Get mad.
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Speaker 2: These are campy slasher movies and they can't get pretty graphic,
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Speaker 2: So just be aware before you go on this journey
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Speaker 2: if you haven't gone on it already. So we're gonna
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Speaker 2: run through the plot first, and then we're gonna break
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Speaker 2: down some of the themes as we usually do so.
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Speaker 2: The Fear Street Trilogy is an American horror series based
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Speaker 2: on the Ralstein books, directed by Lee Janiek, who also
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Speaker 2: co wrote the scripts. They were released in July twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty one and they were pretty positively received. The movie
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Speaker 2: stuck Keana Madaria as Dina, Olivia Scott Welch as Sam,
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Speaker 2: Benjamin Flora's Junior as Josh, Julia Redwall as Kate, fred
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Speaker 2: Heschinger as Simon, Ashley Zuckerman as Nick Good, and yes,
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Speaker 2: I put that last name in there for a reason,
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Speaker 2: Danielle Britt Gibson as Martin Gillian Jacobs, I believe that's
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Speaker 2: how she pronounces it. And Sadie Sink as c Ziggie
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Speaker 2: Berman and Maya Hawk as Heather and that's just a
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Speaker 2: few because this is three movies spanning across multiple decades
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Speaker 2: and centuries. So yes, yes, they follow a group of
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Speaker 2: teenagers in the cursed town of Shady Side, and this
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Speaker 2: is a curse that has died for hundreds of years.
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Speaker 2: The films trace the curse backwards as the group searches
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Speaker 2: for the source of it, with the third act of
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Speaker 2: the third movie bringing the viewer back to modern day
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Speaker 2: to confront the curse.
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Speaker 1: So that's why when I was telling my.
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Speaker 2: Friends, like, once we start, you're not gonna want to
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Speaker 2: start because you start. And then the first one ends
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Speaker 2: with like, but if we go back, maybe we'll learn more.
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Speaker 2: And then oh, if we go back, maybe we'll learn more.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of like a mystery, like like, oh, I
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Speaker 2: got to get to the bottom of what's.
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Speaker 1: Going on here.
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Speaker 2: So let's start with part one, which takes place in
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. And let me just say, oh, the nineties,
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Speaker 2: the nineties, the music.
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Speaker 1: The technology.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it makes me every time I watch it, I'm like,
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Speaker 2: oh yeah, these songs, I remember, oh yeah, these technologies.
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Speaker 2: I remember all the old Internet message boards, all of
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Speaker 2: that stuff. So the first one opens with a teenager
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Speaker 2: murdered by her friend Ryan in Shady Side Mall, which
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Speaker 2: is this is filmed in Georgia and it's the same
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Speaker 2: place they film Stranger Things. So if you saw that,
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Speaker 2: mom and were like, huh, looks familiar, it's because it
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Speaker 2: was filmed in the same place that I have been there.
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Speaker 2: You have been there that very cheap movie matinees. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 2: several others are killed before the murderer is shot and
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Speaker 2: killed himself by Sheriff Nick Good, and then he just
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Speaker 2: kinds of treats this whole thing. I'm like, shady ciders suck.
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Speaker 2: They deserve it. This has happened before. It's Shady Side
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Speaker 2: is called murder capital of the US. They are often
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Speaker 2: negatively compared to the neighboring town Sunny Vale, which is
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Speaker 2: just doing so well, thanks for asking, and is often
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Speaker 2: referred to as one of the safest and wealthiest places
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Speaker 2: to live in the country. The local legend is that
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Speaker 2: a witch executed in sixteen sixty six named Sarah here
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Speaker 2: and yes, that's fi Er is to blame for the
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Speaker 2: curse on Shady Side and the resulting murders that have
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Speaker 2: happened there. Teenager Dina does not believe in the legend
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Speaker 2: and just sort of thinks Shady Side sucks, like it's
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Speaker 2: just a bad place to be. She recently broke up
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Speaker 2: with her girlfriend Sam, who is now dating a boy
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Speaker 2: from Sunny Vale. Her brother Josh, meanwhile, not only believes
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Speaker 2: the legend but spends a lot of time online researching it.
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Speaker 2: Dina's friends Simon and Kate are trying to raise enough
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Speaker 2: money to get out of Shady Side by selling drugs.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then a fight breaks out between Shady Siders
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Speaker 3: and Sunny Vailers out of vigil for the victims of
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Speaker 3: the murder. Obviously, this happens a lot. Sam's boyfriend Peter
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Speaker 3: Tailgate's a bus full of Shady Siders, and Dina, angry
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Speaker 3: at Sam for the breakup at the fact that she
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Speaker 3: is a Sunny Veiler, now prepares to throw a cooler
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Speaker 3: out the back of the bus at the car, but
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Speaker 3: gets a nosebleed and stops, and though the cooler still
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Speaker 3: falls out and hits the car, a car crashes and
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Speaker 3: Sam sees a vision of Sarah fear before she's hospitalized.
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Speaker 3: After seeing a handful of creepy figures. That night, Dina
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Speaker 3: and the gang start to suspect that they're being stalked
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Speaker 3: by Sunny Baylor's Peter, specifically because he's a dick. They
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Speaker 3: go to confront him at the hospital, but one of
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Speaker 3: the stalkers kills Peter oh No and several others at
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Speaker 3: the hospital, and it is gruesome. They managed to unmask him.
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Speaker 3: It turns out it's Ryan the Dead Ryan. Sam and
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Speaker 3: Dina try to tell the police what's going on, but
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Speaker 3: with no success, and Simon is attacked by Ruby Lane,
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Speaker 3: who went on a murdering spree in Shady Side in
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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty five. Also dead, Also dead.
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Speaker 2: Yes, this is when you have one of my favorite
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Speaker 2: scenes in the movie where it's like the kind of
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Speaker 2: research montage and Josh is.
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Speaker 1: Like ruby Lane nineteen sixty five.
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Speaker 2: Like he's putting downe all these yes, vak articulous.
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Speaker 1: I love those scenes in horror movies.
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Speaker 2: The crew realizes that Sam's car crash disturbed Sarah fears bones,
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Speaker 2: and that Sam bleeding on them somehow resurrected several of
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Speaker 2: Shady Sides previous killers. They tried to put her spirit
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Speaker 2: to rest by giving her by giving her a proper burial,
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Speaker 2: but the camp night Wing killer who's killer from nineteen
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Speaker 2: seventy eight in Shady Side attacks them before they can succeed.
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Speaker 2: They also realize that these killers are only after Sam
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Speaker 2: and that her blood attracts them, so they try to
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Speaker 2: trick the killers and burn them using Sam's blood, but
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Speaker 2: burning them doesn't stop them to kind of just resurrect.
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Speaker 2: Despite Dina's protest, the group, including Sam, decides that Sam
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Speaker 2: has to be sacrificed, but they change their minds when
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Speaker 2: they learn that See Burman, the Camp night Wing survivor,
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Speaker 2: died and was resuscitated, so they then try to contact
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Speaker 2: Sea Burman but are unable to reach her, so they
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Speaker 2: come up with a plan to use drugs to temporarily
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Speaker 2: kill Sam and then bring her back to life. Josh, Simon,
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Speaker 2: and Kate try to keep the killers at bay, but
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Speaker 2: Simon and Kate are killed in the process with Sam's permission,
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Speaker 2: and Dina drowned Sam, causing the killers to vanish, and
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Speaker 2: then revives her.
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Speaker 3: And then the police, of course pin the blame on
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Speaker 3: Simon and Kate since they sold drugs those bad kids.
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Speaker 3: The Surviving crew pushes back on that story. Sam and
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Speaker 3: Dina make up and come out publicly as a couple.
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Speaker 3: Which was a big part of why they broke up.
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Speaker 3: It seems like everything is going to be just fine
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Speaker 3: until Dina gets a call from See Burma telling her
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Speaker 3: there's no escape from the witch. Sam, now possessed, attacks
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Speaker 3: Dina until Dina manages to subdue her and tie her
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Speaker 3: up with the phone court I believe.
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, with the you know, our old landline phones
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Speaker 1: that we used in the nineties. But so, yeah, this
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Speaker 1: is how the first part is.
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Speaker 4: So you're like, oh, well, go god. I watched the
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Speaker 4: second one.
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Speaker 2: That brings us to part two, which is Fear Street
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight, and this one focuses on the massacre
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Speaker 2: at Camp Nightwing in nineteen seventy eight. Dina and Josh,
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Speaker 2: with a restrained Sam, find see Berman and ask her
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Speaker 2: to tell them what happened there, and she reluctantly agrees,
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Speaker 2: and it's sort of the Most of the rest of
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Speaker 2: the film cuts to flashback of the story. So, after
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Speaker 2: being accused of stealing by Sunny Railers at Camp Nightwing
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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy eight, Shady Cider, an outcast Ziggy Berman,
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Speaker 2: is accused of witchcraft. The Sunny Vailors hang her up
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Speaker 2: at a tree and burn her arm before some camp counselors,
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Speaker 2: one of them, Nick Good, intervene.
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Speaker 3: So Meanwhile, her sister Cindy, who was determined that if
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Speaker 3: she is close to perfect as she can get, she
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Speaker 3: can escape shady size reputation, and Cindy's boyfriend Tommy are
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Speaker 3: a dive by Nurse Lane. What Ruby Lane's mother, one
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Speaker 3: of Z's only allies. Very kind, kind of odd as
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Speaker 3: they put in, the police take Nurse Layanne into custody
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Speaker 3: and the Sunny Baylor's blame the curse, believing that the
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Speaker 3: witch possessed. Nurse Laane and her daughter, Cindy and Tommy
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Speaker 3: check out the infirmary and run into a former friend
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Speaker 3: of Cindy's named Alice and her boyfriend Arnie. Uh. I
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Speaker 3: believe it is Alice the one have you ever seen
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Speaker 3: doctor sleep?
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Speaker 1: I have?
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Speaker 3: Is that her in there?
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Speaker 1: I can't remember, but I will tell you. When I
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Speaker 1: was watching it yesterday, I was like, oh, I've seen
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Speaker 1: her and something before her.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, keep going, which would put her in two big
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Speaker 3: uh horror franchises with big author names. That's interesting. They
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Speaker 3: find a map to Sarah Fair's house and Nurse Lane's diary,
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Speaker 3: where she claims that Sarah Fear made a deal with
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Speaker 3: the devil for eternal life by cutting off her hand
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Speaker 3: on Satan's stone. U They investigate the house and discover
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Speaker 3: empty graves dug by nurse Lane and a witch's mark.
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Speaker 3: Under the house, Alice and Cindy find a wall engraved
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Speaker 3: with the names of all the past Shady Side killers
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Speaker 3: and Tommy's name, and then it possessed. Tommy kills Arnie
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Speaker 3: and attempts to kill Cindy and Alice, but they are
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Speaker 3: able to lose him. In the caves under the house,
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Speaker 3: they find a pile of organs that seem to be alive.
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Speaker 3: It is really grows and grotesque, and after Alice touches them,
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Speaker 3: she sees visions of past killers and victims. Alice hurstleg
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Speaker 3: and she and Cindy make up and work together to
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Speaker 3: find a potential exit under the camp's outhouse.
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Speaker 2: Boom Yes, And as all of this is going on,
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Speaker 2: a Ziggy and Nick play a prank on the Sunny Valors,
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Speaker 2: who accuse Ziggy of witchcraft in the beginning, and the
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Speaker 2: two grow closer and eventually kiss. Tommy kills several campers
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Speaker 2: and a counselor, and Ziggy and another counselor try to
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Speaker 2: rescue Cindy and Alice from the outhouse, but Tommy kills
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Speaker 2: the counselor and forces Ziggy to flee. Her and Nick
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Speaker 2: hide from Tommy, but they are discovered and Tommy injures Nick.
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Speaker 2: Ziggy is attacked by Tommy, but Cindy arrives and kills him.
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Speaker 2: And this is after Alice was like could you ever
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Speaker 2: kill him? And Cindy was like, no, never. Alice tells
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Speaker 2: the group she found the witch's hand buried near Satan's stone.
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Speaker 2: They decide to reunite the witch's hand and her body
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Speaker 2: in the hopes that it will end the curse. Ziggy
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Speaker 2: gets some blood on the hand and has a vision
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Speaker 2: of Sarah Fere, which resurrects all of the Shady Side killers. Tommy,
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Speaker 2: now reanimated, kills Alice before Cindy decapitates him. The killer's
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Speaker 2: chase Ziggy and Cindy to the tree where Sarah Fear
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Speaker 2: was hanged, digging around the tree in search of her body. However,
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Speaker 2: all they find is a rock that says the Witch
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Speaker 2: Forever lives. Cindy sacrifices herself after realizing the killers are
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Speaker 2: only after Ziggy, but they are both killed, causing the
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Speaker 2: killers to disappear, but Nick arrives and uses a CPR
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Speaker 2: to revive Ziggy or her real name, Christine Berman.
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Speaker 3: When she finishes the story, the teenagers tell her they
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Speaker 3: found the body and keet in the curse by reuniting
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Speaker 3: the witch with her hand. They go to the mall,
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Speaker 3: which was built on where Camp night Wing used to be,
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Speaker 3: and dug up the hand from the under from under
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Speaker 3: the still standing tree, which seemed kind of odd. They
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Speaker 3: go back to the body and reunited with the hand,
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Speaker 3: causing Dina's nose to bleed and for her to have
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Speaker 3: a vision from sixteen sixty six where she is now
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Speaker 3: Sarah Fear.
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Speaker 1: Yep, and that's her Part two winds. So you're like, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: I guess I gotta go on. You continue.
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Speaker 2: Yes, So this brings us to part three, which is
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Speaker 2: sixteen sixty six slash nineteen ninety four Part two, but
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Speaker 2: it is set primarily in sixteen sixty six.
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Speaker 1: The interesting thing.
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Speaker 2: About this is the actors are kind of reprising their
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Speaker 2: roles as these care from sixteen sixty six, Like, it's
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Speaker 2: not actually Dina, it's Sarah Fear. But the actress who
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Speaker 2: plays Dina plays Sarah fear from her perspective, yeah yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: Sarah lives with her brother and father and union the
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Speaker 2: land that would later be split into Shady Side. In
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Speaker 2: Sunny Vale, Sarah and her friends Hannah which is the
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Speaker 2: same actress who plays Sam and Lizzie, meet up with
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Speaker 2: a reclusive widow in order to get berries for an
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Speaker 2: upcoming party.
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Speaker 1: It's very heavily implied that those berries are.
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Speaker 2: Psychedelic in some nature, and Sarah finds a book of
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Speaker 2: black magic. Later at the party, a man named Caleb
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Speaker 2: harasses Sarah and Hannah, and they leave, thinking they are alone.
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Speaker 2: They have an intimate moment together, but they are witnessed
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Speaker 2: by Matt Thomas. The following day, the preacher, who is
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Speaker 2: Hannah's father, begins to exhibit strange behavior, and the town
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Speaker 2: supplies of food and water are poisoned. Everyone's on edge,
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Speaker 2: and Sarah wonders to her friend Solomon Good if all
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Speaker 2: the bad things happening in the town are her fault.
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Speaker 3: So the pastor murders twelve children, which is gruesome by
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Speaker 3: the way, including Sarah's brother, and attacks Sarah before Solomon
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Speaker 3: kills him. The town has a meeting and concludes whichcraft
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Speaker 3: must be to blame, and Caleb claims Sarah and Hannah
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Speaker 3: as the witches behind the whole thing. No bitterness there.
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Speaker 3: Sarah manages to escape, but the townspeople capture Hannah and
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Speaker 3: plan to execute her. In the morning, Sarah sneaks in
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Speaker 3: to see Hannah and the two affirm their love for
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Speaker 3: each other. To save Hannah, Sarah goes to the widow's
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Speaker 3: house to retrieve the Book of black Magic. She says
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Speaker 3: she's willing to make this deal with it, but devil
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Speaker 3: but discovers the widow murdered and the book gone. She
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Speaker 3: has the Solomon's house and hides because the townspeople show
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Speaker 3: up looking for her. There, she finds a tunnel under
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Speaker 3: the house that lead to evidence of a ritual and
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Speaker 3: the widow's book Dum Dum Dum. Solomon confesses he stole
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Speaker 3: the book to perform a ritual allowing for the pastor
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Speaker 3: to be possessed in exchange for wealth and power, which
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Speaker 3: he offers to share with Sarah so nice. She refuses
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Speaker 3: and he attacks her and she loses her hand in
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Speaker 3: the fight. Solomon in the townspeople capture her in a
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Speaker 3: desperate attempt to save Hannah because he Solomon has now
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Speaker 3: blamed her and excusing her for the being a witch.
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Speaker 3: Sarah declares that she is the witch. Hannah is spared,
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Speaker 3: and before she dies, Sarah swears vengeance on Solomon. Hannah
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Speaker 3: and the others return later to properly bury her body
20:43
Speaker 3: away from the tree. Away from the tree. Yeah, and
20:46
Speaker 3: then we come back to nineteen ninety four. Diana tells
20:50
Speaker 3: the others that the Goods are the ones behind the
20:53
Speaker 3: Shady Side cursed, the firstborn of every generation, continuing the
20:57
Speaker 3: rituals started by Solomon, which is also why Sunny Felt prospers.
21:02
Speaker 3: Dina and Josh are discovered by Nick Good, but get away. They,
21:06
Speaker 3: along with Ziggy, decided that they have to kill Nick
21:10
Speaker 3: to end the curse. They lured Nick to the mall,
21:13
Speaker 3: battle it out with the Shady Side Killers and trick
21:16
Speaker 3: them into attacking Nick by marking him with Dina's blood
21:20
Speaker 3: lots of blood. He manages to escape into the tunnels,
21:23
Speaker 3: but Dina and still possess Sam pursue him. Sam attacks
21:27
Speaker 3: Dina but snaps enough out of the possession for Dina
21:30
Speaker 3: to get away. She confronts Nick and they fight Nick
21:34
Speaker 3: almost kills Dina, but she forces him to touch the
21:37
Speaker 3: beating organs, causing him to see the visions of the
21:39
Speaker 3: victims of the killers, allowing for Dina to kill him.
21:44
Speaker 3: Finally breaking the curs, Dina and Sam reunite, Ziggie and
21:49
Speaker 3: Nurslain reunite. Josh makes his online friend in person. Very cute.
21:55
Speaker 3: The Good Family is exposed. Happy ending or is it.
22:01
Speaker 3: There's a post credit scenes show someone taking the Witch's
22:04
Speaker 3: Book from the tunnels, which I still confuse why they
22:08
Speaker 3: left it down there.
22:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had a lot going on.
22:12
Speaker 3: I guess they did. Katy Dubbs apparently R. L Stein
22:18
Speaker 3: really liked this rendition. He did say that though it's
22:22
Speaker 3: nothing like his book, it held to the spirit of
22:26
Speaker 3: his stories, and he really liked the adaptation.
22:28
Speaker 1: That makes me happy.
22:29
Speaker 2: I feel like that's one of the I know we've
22:32
Speaker 2: been talking about this recently because we've gotten to hear
22:34
Speaker 2: some of your passions of books and adaptions.
22:38
Speaker 1: I feel like, if it sticks to the spirit of it.
22:40
Speaker 2: I'm not generally one of those people that's like put
22:42
Speaker 2: in the book, but if you kind of deviate from
22:45
Speaker 2: the spirit or characters drastically, that's when I'm like, but
22:49
Speaker 2: wait a.
22:49
Speaker 3: Minute, right, So he was talking about but at least
22:52
Speaker 3: they kept the characters and they understood the curses of
22:55
Speaker 3: that what's happening, So he appreciated it. He appreciated the
22:58
Speaker 3: storytelling and the flips, So you know, that's great. Apparently
23:02
Speaker 3: he's still writing. Did you know that? I did not
23:04
Speaker 3: know that this Goosebump series he's still doing them.
23:07
Speaker 1: Oh, I should check it out. I'm legitimately a little nervous,
23:14
Speaker 1: and I think.
23:17
Speaker 2: For anyone who isn't who hasn't seen these, hasn't read them, Uh,
23:24
Speaker 2: they're kind of tricky to explain. So I hope we
23:26
Speaker 2: did a decent job. But there's just a lot going on.
23:30
Speaker 2: It makes sense when I'm watching them, I promise.
23:31
Speaker 3: But like, if you like campy series with little twists
23:35
Speaker 3: and turns, and if you've already listened to it, you've
23:38
Speaker 3: gotten spoiled completely, so sorry, but that's on you. We
23:43
Speaker 3: told you. But it is as fun. It's a fun
23:49
Speaker 3: little and for me, who hates gory movies slasher films,
23:53
Speaker 3: I actually enjoyed it. Of Course, the second time round
23:56
Speaker 3: was more enjoyable because I knew what was to come,
23:57
Speaker 3: so I would close my eyes or like ignored the
24:00
Speaker 3: scene where it's completely deadly, but it's so over the
24:04
Speaker 3: top that it didn't hmm. It was silly almost.
24:08
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think one of the things that struck me
24:13
Speaker 2: about these movies a couple of things which we're going
24:17
Speaker 2: to talk about in the themes in the second, But
24:21
Speaker 2: I don't know, I knew what was gonna happen because
24:23
Speaker 2: I feel like I read, I was looking up, you know,
24:27
Speaker 2: best horror movies whatever, and everybody spoiled me on like
24:30
Speaker 2: the bread maker scene and the bread slicer scene.
24:34
Speaker 1: If you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about.
24:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it was just so sad because I liked everybody,
24:39
Speaker 2: like they did a good job of making everybody very sympathetic,
24:46
Speaker 2: almost everybody, and that you've.
24:48
Speaker 3: Well, even Nick until the end you're like, oh, he
24:51
Speaker 3: seems like a cool guy ish Yeah.
24:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I think that's a hallmark of a really
24:57
Speaker 2: good movie, is that it I was legitimate bombed, like
25:01
Speaker 2: bombed to sound so trite, but I I was like, oh,
25:05
Speaker 2: and then just hearing the narrative around shady Side and
25:11
Speaker 2: shady Ciders as like, oh, well they bought it.
25:13
Speaker 1: They were selling drugs.
25:13
Speaker 2: It was at their fault, right, was very upsetting, and
25:18
Speaker 2: I think that that's it's a mark again that they
25:21
Speaker 2: did a good job of making you care about these characters.
25:25
Speaker 2: One of the biggest twists for me was they did
25:28
Speaker 2: a they did an excellent little trickery in the second
25:32
Speaker 2: one where you think see Berman is Cindy the whole time, right,
25:36
Speaker 2: because Gilli and Jacob's hair is brown when you see her,
25:40
Speaker 2: and Cindy's hair is brown, and Sadie Sink as Ziggie Berman,
25:45
Speaker 2: her hair is red.
25:46
Speaker 1: And so that was one of the biggest like for me.
25:53
Speaker 2: But yeah, let's let's get into some of the themes.
25:55
Speaker 2: I think one of the big ones it makes me
25:58
Speaker 2: sad that this is still something I'm like, oh wow.
26:01
Speaker 2: But the fact that they centered the relationship between Dina
26:04
Speaker 2: and Sam, which is a gay relationship, so much surprise
26:10
Speaker 2: to me.
26:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think one of.
26:13
Speaker 2: The scenes that sticks out to me the most is
26:16
Speaker 2: when I think it's in the second one when Dina
26:19
Speaker 2: is talking to Ziggy and says like, but I love
26:25
Speaker 2: her like just simply is like I love her, like
26:28
Speaker 2: I can't just abandon her.
26:29
Speaker 1: I love her, right, And it was pretty I thought
26:32
Speaker 1: it was pretty well done.
26:33
Speaker 2: And to see it play out as the centerpiece of
26:37
Speaker 2: this along with you know, you're supporting very very supportive
26:41
Speaker 2: friendships and.
26:42
Speaker 1: Stuff, it was nice.
26:45
Speaker 2: And to see it go all the way back to
26:47
Speaker 2: sixteen sixty six.
26:50
Speaker 1: Sort of love story through the ages.
26:53
Speaker 3: Love story through the ages. Yes.
26:56
Speaker 2: So one of the reasons is we mentioned that Dina
27:00
Speaker 2: and Sam broke up was that Sam was closeted, like
27:06
Speaker 2: she wasn't open about her sexuality in the beginning of
27:09
Speaker 2: part one and she kind of comes out publicly at
27:13
Speaker 2: the end of part one in nineteen ninety four. So
27:18
Speaker 2: to see their relationship and the struggles of that and
27:24
Speaker 2: all these things that they're dealing with, I don't know,
27:27
Speaker 2: I just found it pretty pretty refreshing.
27:32
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like they were baiting you or anything.
27:36
Speaker 2: It just felt like, oh, no, these characters, they're in love,
27:40
Speaker 2: and it felt.
27:40
Speaker 3: Very they're just in a relationship and they're fighting industry.
27:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
27:45
Speaker 3: Of course, they do kind of do the twist of
27:47
Speaker 3: like you think that they're mad about them being with
27:49
Speaker 3: the boy, and that they're like at the very beginning,
27:52
Speaker 3: they do kind of try to do that to throw
27:54
Speaker 3: you off but it doesn't feel like this is not
27:57
Speaker 3: from a melgaze.
27:59
Speaker 1: No, And like if you go back to the sixteen
28:04
Speaker 1: sixty six.
28:04
Speaker 2: But even in present day, because I think they were
28:07
Speaker 2: very clever in the actors they cast in who like
28:10
Speaker 2: who did nineteen ninety four Simon play in and.
28:14
Speaker 1: Sixteen sixty six.
28:17
Speaker 2: That you have these scenes of Hannah and Sarah slash
28:22
Speaker 2: Dina and Sam kind of pissing off these men, men
28:27
Speaker 2: who were getting angry at being rejected, that they're not
28:29
Speaker 2: of interest to these women, and that sort of being
28:33
Speaker 2: the whole thing or part of the whole thing that
28:37
Speaker 2: led to them being accused of witchcraft was just these
28:40
Speaker 2: men were mad that they got rejected. And then there
28:46
Speaker 2: was that whole scene of when they were checking it
28:50
Speaker 2: was women primarily checking women for Marx in sixteen sixty six.
28:55
Speaker 2: It was just like so humiliating, like they were taking
28:57
Speaker 2: off their clothes and looking for Marx on them. These
29:00
Speaker 2: ways of asserting dominance, of power, of humiliating these women
29:06
Speaker 2: when they felt so angry that they had been rejected
29:12
Speaker 2: by these women. Right, and then on top of that
29:17
Speaker 2: we talked about this before too, just the like men
29:20
Speaker 2: trying to keep power was throughout and all of this
29:25
Speaker 2: with the Good family, but also yeah, certainly in sixteen
29:30
Speaker 2: sixty six, where they anybody who's messing with the patriarchy
29:34
Speaker 2: and how that is assumed it must be is a
29:39
Speaker 2: wish or an outsider or something bad, and therefore we
29:43
Speaker 2: can blame everything on them, and we can kill them,
29:46
Speaker 2: we can hang them, and things will be better.
29:49
Speaker 3: I think I appreciate that a depiction of witchcraft in
29:53
Speaker 3: meaning like, hey, it wasn't these women and they just
29:57
Speaker 3: use witchcraft as a way of like getting rid of
30:01
Speaker 3: problematic what they see as women who don't abide by
30:06
Speaker 3: normal standards. And so I thought that was interesting too,
30:09
Speaker 3: and a light that they twisted it like that.
30:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was a really good tape because
30:15
Speaker 2: we've talked about that before. We talked about that in
30:17
Speaker 2: The Bitch, where at the end she becomes a witch
30:20
Speaker 2: because that's the only opportunity and available left to her,
30:24
Speaker 2: like that's the only thing, And it was similar in this,
30:27
Speaker 2: like Sarah was so desperate to say Hannah that she
30:31
Speaker 2: was willing to, you know, make this pact and engage
30:34
Speaker 2: in dark magic, black magic, but that was like the
30:37
Speaker 2: last path left to her after they'd been accused and
30:40
Speaker 2: no one would believe them that it wasn't them. And
30:44
Speaker 2: then and the very end before she's hanged, when she's like, oh, yeah,
30:48
Speaker 2: I'm the witch.
30:49
Speaker 1: I'm the witch.
30:50
Speaker 2: She did that to save the person she loves, so
30:54
Speaker 2: they kind of pushed her into this path. Meanwhile, it's
30:56
Speaker 2: a man the whole time doing the actual witchcraft. Hello yeah,
31:03
Speaker 2: and uh, then you see the town blaming this wish,
31:09
Speaker 2: blaming Sarah Fear for everything bad that's ever happened to them.
31:13
Speaker 1: So it was nice to see like the discovery of
31:16
Speaker 1: it wasn't her.
31:17
Speaker 3: You're right, she was trying to protect everyone by letting
31:20
Speaker 3: everybody know what was happening, which does apply to us.
31:23
Speaker 3: That happens a lot.
31:24
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
31:28
Speaker 2: And just sort of the like biases we have where
31:31
Speaker 2: you know, you kind of the reason Nick Good's name
31:36
Speaker 2: I said his name is because his whole name is
31:38
Speaker 2: because they have this whole like good is evil thing
31:40
Speaker 2: at the end, yes, and then Fear yeah, yeah exactly,
31:44
Speaker 2: and her name is Fear and just sort of those
31:47
Speaker 2: things where we go in believing, oh she was a woman,
31:50
Speaker 2: she was a witch, it must have been her or
31:52
Speaker 2: you know, he's an upstanding citizen, his name is good.
31:56
Speaker 1: Can't be him?
31:58
Speaker 3: Can't be him?
31:59
Speaker 1: So does you? That flip is pretty rewarding.
32:15
Speaker 2: And then, as we've talked about before, there's also the
32:19
Speaker 2: theme of persecution throughout of Witches of Queerness, any outsiders,
32:24
Speaker 2: because shady ciders are basically seen as outsiders, right, That's
32:30
Speaker 2: how the town is painted, and the way people talk
32:34
Speaker 2: about them is very like they're expendable.
32:36
Speaker 1: They brought it on themselves.
32:39
Speaker 2: They can't just conform, and so it's their fault whatever's
32:43
Speaker 2: happening to them. That's why the Witch is coming for them.
32:46
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff around trauma in these Yes, yes,
32:54
Speaker 2: there's religious trauma. I think I picked up on last
32:57
Speaker 2: time I was watching it. We have upcoming episodes on
33:04
Speaker 2: this listener.
33:05
Speaker 3: So y'all, it's a doozy.
33:07
Speaker 1: It is quite a doozy. But just this.
33:11
Speaker 2: In sixteen sixty six where they everybody felt like they
33:15
Speaker 2: couldn't be themselves and if they were true of themselves,
33:20
Speaker 2: you'd be persecuted. And then it was this thing that
33:23
Speaker 2: you felt like you had to punish yourself for, Like
33:24
Speaker 2: if I just punish myself or if I feel guilty enough,
33:29
Speaker 2: maybe I won't be queer anymore, or maybe I won't
33:33
Speaker 2: sin in heavy quotes anymore. Based on this religion that
33:38
Speaker 2: they were all steeped in, that they all believed in,
33:40
Speaker 2: there is certainly the whole dismissing women and youth. I
33:45
Speaker 2: would say, I don't think we talk about that enough either.
33:48
Speaker 2: That it's very like, oh, you young people.
33:53
Speaker 3: I love how they made this nurse Lane, who was
33:55
Speaker 3: probably younger than me or my age, looks so decrepit
33:59
Speaker 3: from from your right.
34:05
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
34:07
Speaker 2: But there's a scene in in part one where Sam
34:12
Speaker 2: Anddina go to the police and obviously Nick good when
34:16
Speaker 2: you know how the ending goes, he had an ulterior motive,
34:19
Speaker 2: but they were very dismissive. It was quite kind of
34:23
Speaker 2: an unbelievable story. But still they were very very dismissive.
34:27
Speaker 2: And one of the cops says to them, go find
34:30
Speaker 2: your boyfriends. Tell them you need to relax.
34:34
Speaker 1: Wow.
34:35
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I was like, I'm ready to punch this dude.
34:37
Speaker 2: Now tell them you need to relax. Oh gross, gross,
34:44
Speaker 2: gros gross. And then I think there's a lot to
34:47
Speaker 2: unpack up the whole shady side versus sunny vil thing.
34:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's a lot of.
34:54
Speaker 2: Interesting discussion I think we could have around privilege and
34:58
Speaker 2: legacy and this sort of idea of like the narrative
35:02
Speaker 2: and you can't escape things that follow you.
35:04
Speaker 1: Things follow you.
35:05
Speaker 2: So there's just so much of this feeling from people
35:09
Speaker 2: on Shady Side like, oh, it's going to hang on
35:11
Speaker 2: to me forever.
35:12
Speaker 1: I'm never going to be able to escape this.
35:15
Speaker 2: And that's also the narrative they're getting fed, is like
35:18
Speaker 2: you can't get out of shady Side. So you have
35:21
Speaker 2: like Kate and Simon selling drugs to save the get out.
35:24
Speaker 2: You have Dina who sort of accepted this like doom
35:28
Speaker 2: of shady Side.
35:29
Speaker 1: You have Sam who quote got.
35:31
Speaker 2: Out and is now you know, an outsider to them.
35:36
Speaker 2: Just all of these instances where we see people feeling
35:41
Speaker 2: like they're trapped in this situation. And then like you
35:46
Speaker 2: got Cindy, who it's implied heavily changed her personality, like
35:53
Speaker 2: she won't swear, she got a polo, she tries to
35:57
Speaker 2: be perfect, she dates this perfect boyfriend that is also
36:00
Speaker 2: have implied that she didn't really like at all, right,
36:04
Speaker 2: and she did all of that because it's like she
36:06
Speaker 2: wanted to escape shady Side. But the it's it feels
36:11
Speaker 2: like the message then is you can do everything right,
36:14
Speaker 2: but the systems in place betray you and blame you.
36:17
Speaker 1: And it's true, like you have.
36:20
Speaker 2: The authorities, the authority in the town who's essentially sacrificing
36:25
Speaker 2: you so they can be rich and wealthy and happy,
36:30
Speaker 2: and you're getting blamed for it even if you do
36:33
Speaker 2: everything right right.
36:36
Speaker 3: I did find it interesting that, of course good whoever
36:40
Speaker 3: they are going after has a connection to someone that
36:42
Speaker 3: they care about, so you're like, obviously they're gonna kill them.
36:45
Speaker 3: What is wrong with you?
36:47
Speaker 1: Yeah?
36:48
Speaker 3: I thought that, like he does the first one does,
36:50
Speaker 3: the pastor whose daughter is in a relationship. Maybe that
36:54
Speaker 3: was out of jealousy, let's be honest. So maybe that
36:56
Speaker 3: was out of jealousy. Actually several of these could be
36:57
Speaker 3: out of jealousy, to be fair. But like he does
37:01
Speaker 3: the father of the daughter that your crush, I guess
37:05
Speaker 3: the best way to say it is linked to or.
37:09
Speaker 3: But he doesn't know that. He just thinks they're best friends.
37:11
Speaker 3: So I'm like, why would you do this? Why would
37:13
Speaker 3: you Obviously he's gonna be in that proximity so she
37:17
Speaker 3: might get killed. What the hell? Man?
37:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think That's a good point though, that a
37:21
Speaker 2: lot of them were either and both not thought through
37:28
Speaker 2: or it was out of jealousy, because I think Solomon
37:30
Speaker 2: did have a thing for Sarah, and I think right
37:34
Speaker 2: when she kind of spurned his deal of oh, i'll
37:37
Speaker 2: share it with you, that's when he said, oh, she's
37:39
Speaker 2: the witch, even though he also was scared because she
37:42
Speaker 2: coult out him, but like, right, and then.
37:45
Speaker 3: No one would believe her who's already been accused of
37:48
Speaker 3: being the witch.
37:48
Speaker 1: It's true, It's true.
37:51
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it does have to do
37:52
Speaker 2: with with jealousy, and that wasn't theme of dudes being
38:02
Speaker 2: real mad women didn't do what they wanted them to do,
38:07
Speaker 2: all right, But yeah, that's certainly certainly something I picked
38:12
Speaker 2: up on as well, and I did I did want
38:17
Speaker 2: to include We talked about this earlier already, but I
38:19
Speaker 2: did want to include the line like when Sarah says,
38:24
Speaker 2: you know, they think they're guilty, so we are. They
38:26
Speaker 2: want a witch, I'll give them a witch. And that's
38:28
Speaker 2: that same idea of we're forcing there's only one way
38:36
Speaker 2: to move forward for these women when they've been persecuted,
38:40
Speaker 2: is like you were making in this in this case,
38:44
Speaker 2: they made the witch that they wanted, They made the
38:46
Speaker 2: scapegoat that they wanted, which.
38:48
Speaker 3: Is, and tell me if I'm wrong, most of the
38:51
Speaker 3: movies that I've seen that are supposed to be historically
38:52
Speaker 3: based where the witches are not witches, but they're being blamed. Essentially,
38:56
Speaker 3: they're just going to be tortured until they admit their witches.
38:59
Speaker 3: So if they say that are not and deny it,
39:01
Speaker 3: they're going to be tortured until they say yes, and
39:03
Speaker 3: then they'll be put out of their misery essentially in
39:05
Speaker 3: a horrible death. So it was kind of like, what
39:08
Speaker 3: did you want from that? Yeah?
39:11
Speaker 2: I mean, and that's one of those things about those
39:16
Speaker 2: the like Salem witch trials.
39:17
Speaker 1: Where you know, they throw you in the water. If
39:20
Speaker 1: you float, you're a witch. If you drown, you're not
39:23
Speaker 1: a witch. But then you're dead.
39:25
Speaker 3: You're dead. So what's better man?
39:28
Speaker 1: Exactly?
39:30
Speaker 2: And then another thing I wanted to touch on in
39:32
Speaker 2: these is I did think they showcased a lot of
39:35
Speaker 2: really supportive friendships that were refreshing.
39:39
Speaker 1: I love in part one.
39:42
Speaker 2: When they all decide to stand up and to stand
39:46
Speaker 2: with Sam even though she had recently broken up with Dina.
39:50
Speaker 2: They were kind of mad at her, but they in
39:55
Speaker 2: the end, especially after she agreed to sacrifice herself, like, no,
40:00
Speaker 2: were going to fight with you, And I just thought
40:02
Speaker 2: that was so nice. I'm so sad that they died
40:05
Speaker 2: in the fight, but it was just nice to see
40:09
Speaker 2: that they all came together and we're like, no, one
40:11
Speaker 2: of us is in trouble.
40:13
Speaker 1: We're all going to fight together to come up with
40:16
Speaker 1: this plan.
40:17
Speaker 3: And then they die horrible death and the brother gets
40:22
Speaker 3: to hook up with a hot girl, which I was like,
40:24
Speaker 3: that was unnecessary, but okay, whatever, but then she dies, yeah,
40:27
Speaker 3: and then they forget her.
40:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
40:29
Speaker 2: Well that I couldn't figure out because at first I
40:32
Speaker 2: was like, so Simon and Cater together and I was like, oh,
40:35
Speaker 2: it's so Kate and Josh. But then I was like,
40:36
Speaker 2: this is Josh much younger than her. I don't know
40:39
Speaker 2: what's going on.
40:41
Speaker 3: I don't know how much younger. I think they're still teens.
40:43
Speaker 3: Both of them are in teens, so it's not like
40:46
Speaker 3: it's still weird because when you think of high school,
40:48
Speaker 3: and I was like, I would never as a as
40:50
Speaker 3: a junior. We never dine a freshman or so, you
40:52
Speaker 3: know what I mean, unless it was a girl, a
40:54
Speaker 3: younger girl with an older boy. That was okay, such
40:57
Speaker 3: a weird complex.
40:58
Speaker 2: Weird, it's something to pack in the future episode As
41:02
Speaker 2: the whole thing, there were there were some threads of betrayal,
41:08
Speaker 2: especially if you are talking about men betraying women, uh
41:12
Speaker 2: in their lives of like Nick Good, I guess sort
41:16
Speaker 2: of being okay that everybody Ziggy cared about died but
41:21
Speaker 2: you know, was still wanting to be in her life,
41:25
Speaker 2: or Solomon Good with a similar thing. I do like
41:29
Speaker 2: that there's that threat of multiple generations of women helping
41:32
Speaker 2: each other. So even though Ziggy is really hesitant at first,
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Speaker 2: in the end she ends up like really leaning in
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Speaker 2: and really being there, like I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: fight this guy.
41:45
Speaker 1: And you know, in remembrance of her sister and who
41:48
Speaker 1: she lost and of Alice, and.
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Speaker 3: Right, well, I think she's also mad because she got tricked.
41:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, like he killed people, he did, and
41:58
Speaker 2: she was grim opened up to him, yes, right, oh absolutely,
42:03
Speaker 2: But it was nice to see like uh and and honestly,
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Speaker 2: like even Sarah Fear kind of reaching out over the all.
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Speaker 1: This time, like I'm still I'm going to get this guy.
42:14
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this guy's.
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Speaker 3: Like, I'm going to show everyone everyone, but they just
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Speaker 3: didn't get the message. It was convoluted.
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Speaker 1: It was convoluted. It's very similar to The Grudge in
42:25
Speaker 1: that way.
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Speaker 2: Well, yes, well Juwan maybe not the Grudge, but I
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Speaker 2: think Juan is the one where she's actually trying to
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Speaker 2: warn them that the bad dudes.
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Speaker 3: No, she still takes the she takes the one girl
42:37
Speaker 3: in the bed. It was her.
42:39
Speaker 1: Well, in the Grudge, it's her in.
42:42
Speaker 3: The it's her too. It's her face that you see
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Speaker 3: in the covers.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't remember.
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Speaker 2: I just know she's like the warning before the guy
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Speaker 2: comes to kill you. But everybody thought she was the warning.
42:52
Speaker 2: Everybody thought she was the actual person.
42:54
Speaker 3: So maybe I'll have to go back and look at
42:55
Speaker 3: this because if I remember correctly, in the Asian the
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Speaker 3: Japanese version, when she looks in the comforts as her
43:02
Speaker 3: as well and then she gets sucked in. So unless
43:04
Speaker 3: they don't show that and they just imply it, but
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Speaker 3: that would be the same implication in the original American
43:11
Speaker 3: Grudge with Sarah. Yes, it's like Jessica Parker like that
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Speaker 3: is not.
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Speaker 2: No.
43:24
Speaker 3: I feel like there's several of the like, oh my god,
43:26
Speaker 3: we tried to tell you. I mean, there's episodes like
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Speaker 3: in Supernatural where they have that where the sister is
43:33
Speaker 3: trying to warn about the other sister. They think it's
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Speaker 3: her because she's the one that's coming out. They burn
43:38
Speaker 3: her body. Same thing with the mother trying to keep
43:42
Speaker 3: the the meta episode where there's a Supernatural conference m
43:48
Speaker 3: and it turns out that the mother was trying to
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Speaker 3: keep the children at bay and she killed them because
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Speaker 3: he killed they had killed her son, and you don't
43:55
Speaker 3: know the until after the fact.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's it.
43:59
Speaker 2: It's a what did a common theme, and I think
44:01
Speaker 2: a lot of it does rely on, as we said earlier,
44:03
Speaker 2: that sort of knee jerk. Oh she's the witch, so
44:09
Speaker 2: it's her, like, we don't guess the benefit of the doubt,
44:12
Speaker 2: we don't question any further, we don't investigate any further.
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Speaker 1: So it was nice to see in this that.
44:18
Speaker 2: They were like, wait a minute, we should look into
44:20
Speaker 2: this a bit more.
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Speaker 3: She didn't do She just ended up touching.
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Speaker 1: Her exactly exactly, and then I did. I did like.
44:32
Speaker 2: The sisterhood between Yah, Ziggy and Cindy because they were
44:37
Speaker 2: very different people. And their relationship was complex, but I
44:42
Speaker 2: liked that in the end Cindy was like, it's I
44:46
Speaker 2: am here for you. You are the person that I
44:50
Speaker 2: want to be, I want to be with, and then
44:54
Speaker 2: seeing them reconcile. And I also liked seeing Cindy and
44:59
Speaker 2: Alice reconcile, even though unfortunately Alice died soon.
45:02
Speaker 1: After, but I like to see the reconcile.
45:06
Speaker 3: There's so many things, of course, the ins and outs
45:08
Speaker 3: of high school and being perfect that was a whole
45:11
Speaker 3: different conversation in itself, and losing yourself because you're trying
45:15
Speaker 3: you really think your situation is the problem, which I
45:19
Speaker 3: think a lot of people think that in general, it
45:21
Speaker 3: could be true. I don't they forget who they're leaving
45:24
Speaker 3: behind as well.
45:27
Speaker 2: I thought they did a pretty great job of portraying
45:30
Speaker 2: the difficulties of that age and now the growing pains
45:36
Speaker 2: of that age, and how that can impact your relationships
45:38
Speaker 2: with your friends or your siblings or.
45:42
Speaker 1: What have you.
45:43
Speaker 3: I also like your take on the fact that Zig,
45:46
Speaker 3: the person who plays that character, plays that same character
45:49
Speaker 3: in Stranger Things.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
45:51
Speaker 2: When I was watching Stranger Things, I was like, is
45:53
Speaker 2: she gonna do literally the same? Oh, she died, what
45:56
Speaker 2: was resurrected, and so now it's okay, oh wow, she is,
46:00
Speaker 2: but she's.
46:01
Speaker 3: Not dead yet. She's not resurrected quite yet.
46:05
Speaker 2: Spoilers for a stranger face, oh dear.
46:11
Speaker 3: Uh.
46:11
Speaker 2: And I just had to throw out there as somebody
46:13
Speaker 2: who grew up with ekonomic code, I did appreciate the
46:17
Speaker 2: economic code up, down, down, left, right, left, right. Oh,
46:23
Speaker 2: the code they're saying at the end. So like if
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Speaker 2: you start like Hell three, for instance, and you just
46:28
Speaker 2: put that in the menu, you win the game automatically.
46:32
Speaker 2: Really mm hmm, the economic code. Yeah, I love it.
46:38
Speaker 2: I love the mention of it. I loved my nineties nostalgia.
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Speaker 1: It was very fun.
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Speaker 3: You should.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So if this is your thing, campy, slasher, fun
46:52
Speaker 2: horror movies, but they are horror movies and they do
46:54
Speaker 2: get kind of Cory does.
46:56
Speaker 3: Have a quote unquote happy ending. Yes also, and apparently,
47:01
Speaker 3: by the way, as we were talking about rl Stein,
47:05
Speaker 3: he said that that was a smart way to go,
47:08
Speaker 3: because that's the only way he can end his books
47:10
Speaker 3: or the fans rebel. So there you go.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I believe it. I believe it.
47:17
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, then we recommend it, and for anybody out
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Speaker 2: there who has any suggestions on what we should do
47:23
Speaker 2: for future Spoiled Saturdays, other horror movies we should watch.
47:27
Speaker 2: Any thoughts about these that we didn't touch on, or
47:29
Speaker 2: the books.
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Speaker 3: Oh, remind me of the books because I've missed those books.
47:33
Speaker 3: I think I need to go behind them.
47:34
Speaker 2: Yes, or your favorite goosebumps books. All of these things.
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