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JUST SPOTTED: Yoga Teacher On the Run After She Stalks, Murders 'Other Woman' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. She did it all for love.
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Speaker 1: Sounds romantic, right, Well does that include murder? Is being
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Speaker 1: so head over heels in love a defense to cold
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Speaker 1: blooded murder? I would submit it is not, and I
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Speaker 1: believe the criminal codes across this country will support my theory.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about none other than a beautiful young yoga
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Speaker 1: teacher now one of the most wanted people in the country.
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Speaker 1: Why because, according to all the evidence that we have
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Speaker 1: a mass so far, she gunned down her love rival
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Speaker 1: over a cheating boyfriend. Now it wasn't just any love rival.
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Speaker 1: It was the number one female dirt gravel cyclist in
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Speaker 1: the world, A beautiful, young bithe writer, a champion, a
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Speaker 1: pro Anna Mariah Moe Wilson, just twenty five years old.
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Speaker 1: Over what Colin Strickland the cheating boyfriend. I'll just go
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Speaker 1: out on a limb and say he was cheating. I mean, see, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and series XM one eleven with
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Speaker 1: the very latest and the Search for a woman now
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Speaker 1: deemed to be on the major most wanted list by
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Speaker 1: the US Marshals. I'm talking about Caitlin Marie Armstrong. She
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Speaker 1: has just been spotted and yet another airport. Now, is
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Speaker 1: this woman slipping through the fingers like Houdini of the
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Speaker 1: US Marshals and everybody from the Texas Rangers to New
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Speaker 1: York police to York airport security? How's that happening? Well,
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Speaker 1: first of all, let's start it off with the very latest.
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Speaker 1: Our friends at KVUE listen. Surveillance footage shows Armstrong flying
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Speaker 1: into New York's Leaguardia Airport on May fourteenth. Then on
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Speaker 1: May eighteenth, the day after a murder warrant was issued
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Speaker 1: for Armstrong, someone dropped her off at New Jersey's Newark Airport. However,
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Speaker 1: there was no record of her taking a flight out
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Speaker 1: of Newark. Now, a spokesperson with the US Marshal's Office
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Speaker 1: tells KVU that Armstrong's jeep Grand Cherokee, which is seen
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Speaker 1: on surveillance footage near Wilson's house on the day of
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Speaker 1: her murder, is also missing, and it's possible it's located
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Speaker 1: somewhere in the Austin area. So anyone with details on
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Speaker 1: where Armstrong may be or where that jeep may be located,
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Speaker 1: you're asked to call the US Marshal's office that jeep
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Speaker 1: was last seen when she was on the run. Is
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Speaker 1: there any way on God's green earth that this woman
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Speaker 1: could have taken the jeep all the way to New
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Speaker 1: York from Texas? Did she somehow allude Texas rangers? That
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Speaker 1: black jeep Cherokee Steel has not been found. Let's take
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Speaker 1: a look at what we know right now. But for
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Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, how the whole things start?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Amanda Salinas at Fox seven. Police
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Speaker 1: are investigating a suspicious death in East Auston. This happened
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Speaker 1: on Maple Avenue near East seventeenth Street overnight. A woman
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Speaker 1: called police saying she found her friend inside her house,
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Speaker 1: unresponsive and there was blood near her. When officers arrived,
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Speaker 1: they found the victim had gunshot wounds. Gave us provided
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Speaker 1: life saving measures, but a woman later died from her injuries.
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Speaker 1: Police do not know how long she was inside the home,
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Speaker 1: but did call her death suspicious. It is unclear if
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Speaker 1: a gun was found on see and more our cut
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Speaker 1: two from John green Jack at Fox seven Austin. Listen tonight,
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Speaker 1: we're learning the victim of a deadly shooting in East
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Speaker 1: Auston earlier this week was a well known cyclist was
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Speaker 1: supposed to take part in a mountain bike race in
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Speaker 1: the Hill Country today. Anna Wilson, better known by her
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Speaker 1: middle name Mariah, was pronounced dead on Wednesday night at
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Speaker 1: home on Maple Avenue near Eighteenth Street. Austin Police were
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Speaker 1: called there after a friend of Wilson's returned home to
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Speaker 1: find the twenty five year old unconscious with gunshot wounds.
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Speaker 1: APD has identified a person of interest and does not
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Speaker 1: believe the shooting was random. They're urging anyone with information
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Speaker 1: or video of what happened to give them a call now.
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Speaker 1: According to the cycling magazine at Vello, Wilson was in
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Speaker 1: Texas ahead of today's gravel locost Race and Hiko, where
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Speaker 1: she was a favorite to win. Vello published a statement
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Speaker 1: from her family saying she was quote always pushing tirelessly
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Speaker 1: to reach her goals. We knew she was pursuing that
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Speaker 1: which she loved, the family adding we know Mariah would
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Speaker 1: want the event to carry on. Okay, joining me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel makes sense of what we know right now. First,
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Speaker 1: straight out to Stephanie Pogona's crime reporter with Fox News Digital.
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Speaker 1: Stephanie thank you for being with us. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: circle back about the murder of Mariah. She's shot multiple
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Speaker 1: times and we think that somehow she either did not
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Speaker 1: lock the door of the apartment where she was staying
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Speaker 1: with a friend, or that possibly the killer had the
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Speaker 1: code to get in. The killer is called circling the
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Speaker 1: apartment repeatedly in that black Cherokee, and she apparently followed
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Speaker 1: her cheating boyfriend followed right behind them as he was
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Speaker 1: with the victim and spent the day with her. Dropped
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Speaker 1: Moe off, Mariah off, and then right behind him on
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Speaker 1: surveillance video you see incomes Caitlin Armstrong. How mad do
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Speaker 1: you think? She was following them all around town? And
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Speaker 1: she used very interesting a cycling app to do it,
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Speaker 1: and at where Mariah would tell her followers where she
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Speaker 1: was biking. I'm going to go back to all of that,
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Speaker 1: but let me ask you this, Stephanie paganis, let's talk
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Speaker 1: about the very latest, and that is the sighting of
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong now at Newark, because on May fourteen, she
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Speaker 1: caleers out of Texas. She illudes the Texas Rangers. That
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Speaker 1: was a debacle. You know, they had her on a
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Speaker 1: warrant for botoxing and running. She apparently got botox, offered
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Speaker 1: her master card and then went, oh wait, let me
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Speaker 1: use the card in my car, takes off to get
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Speaker 1: the other card and never comes back. So there was
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Speaker 1: a warrant out for that, and they had her. They
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Speaker 1: had her there, questioning her about the shooting, and then
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Speaker 1: the dab day of birth was different on the other
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Speaker 1: warrant and they let her go. That's a whole another
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Speaker 1: can of worms. Talk to me, Stephanie pagonis about the
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Speaker 1: sighting at Newark. That's right. So one day after police
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Speaker 1: issue this arrest lawrants for the murder of mel Wilson,
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Speaker 1: Kaylin Armstrong was seen at New York Airport, but police
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Speaker 1: have no record of any reservations under her name, no
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Speaker 1: outbound flights with her names on the manifest so so
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Speaker 1: this is still under investigation, but it's quite bizarre. Four
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Speaker 1: days after she's first seen at three airports, those being Austin,
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Speaker 1: Houston and then LaGuardia in New York City, she fighted
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Speaker 1: in New Jersey. Let's go through the timeline to her brand.
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Speaker 1: Joining me former US Marshall with the International Investigations Branch
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Speaker 1: and author a flying solo or thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Let's look at the timeline. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we know that she was there at LaGuardia having come
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Speaker 1: through Hobby, which was amazing to me that she flew unencumbered.
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Speaker 1: She looks like she's traveling with nothing but a backpack
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Speaker 1: and a yoga mat. And hey, Jess, goot Morgan, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna circle back to you on this. He's wearing the
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Speaker 1: same exact outfit and at Newark Airport that she had
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Speaker 1: on at the LaGuardia Airport when she came through the
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Speaker 1: first time, which tells me a lot about where she's living,
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Speaker 1: where she's staying, how she's living. Talk to me about
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Speaker 1: your view of the logistics of where Caitlin Armstrong is
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Speaker 1: and what she's doing. I'm not convinced she ever took
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Speaker 1: a flight out of New York. Well, Nancy, that's possible.
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Speaker 1: She could have been dropped off at Liberty. As you know,
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Speaker 1: the trains run from Liberty Airport back into New York City.
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Speaker 1: She could have got on I believe it's called the Path. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but wouldn't they have video of that? Yes? Yes, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure they're searching the video to see if they can
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Speaker 1: get an image captured the outside the airport or where
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Speaker 1: the trains, where you pick up the trains. It's also
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Speaker 1: pop that she just needed an ID. You know that
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Speaker 1: it's a valid government ID is required to fly for
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Speaker 1: domestic flights and of course passport. Well okay, I don't
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Speaker 1: know the connection you're making between her showing up at
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Speaker 1: Liberty International in Newark and needing an ID, because I mean,
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Speaker 1: you can go online and put how do I get
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Speaker 1: a fake ID? You can have one of forty eight hours,
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Speaker 1: So that's not hard. That's true, And it's everyone's been
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Speaker 1: through TSA. If you present an ID, if you present
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Speaker 1: someone else's driver's license that even just looks a little
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Speaker 1: bit like you. It's not like they study it. They
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Speaker 1: just scan it and it goes through. And I mean
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Speaker 1: same way for a passport. People's appearances on their passport
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Speaker 1: photos change over time. It's not uncommon. Okay, I know
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Speaker 1: you're going somewhere with this logistics. I'm talking to you about.
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Speaker 1: Where is Kaitlin Armstrong? Why did she show up at
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Speaker 1: Liberty Airport? There's no indication she ever left by plane
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Speaker 1: so far as she's outsmarted the authorities at every turn.
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Speaker 1: Did she leave by plane? You know? To you, Jo
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, let me ask you this, if there's no
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Speaker 1: indications she left by plane, and I'm not necessarily agreen
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Speaker 1: with that with me? Is Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: star of a new hit series Body Bags with Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan on iHeart Joe Scott. When they tell me
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Speaker 1: we don't have a record of her leaving new Ark,
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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about when I say Newark, the airport
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Speaker 1: like LaGuardia or JFK, So she could very well have
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Speaker 1: another passport. She could have walked into a bathroom, put
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Speaker 1: her hair back, put on a different shirt, and got
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Speaker 1: on another plane completely undetected with a fake ID. Or
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Speaker 1: Brent was talking about a fake ID. Maybe she's traveling
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Speaker 1: under a fake ID. Maybe she left on a train
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Speaker 1: wearing that same outfit with a yoga mat behind her,
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Speaker 1: which tells me a lot about her. Thinking, all right,
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Speaker 1: we're looking for you to go a yoga teacher with
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Speaker 1: long blondish brown hair, and who what's to the airport?
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Speaker 1: A woman, tall, white female, thin with long blondish brown
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Speaker 1: hair with a yoga mat on her back. Hello, what's
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Speaker 1: going through her head? So? Did she leave by playing?
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Speaker 1: Did she leave by train? Or did she turn around
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Speaker 1: and leave the same way she came? But why go
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Speaker 1: to that extent throw off authorities to be seen on
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Speaker 1: video at Newark? I wouldn't do that. Is she a
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Speaker 1: master criminal? You know that she has that much perception
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Speaker 1: that she's, you know, running this cat and mouse game.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Please, she just ran out on a
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Speaker 1: six hundred dollars Botox build. She's not a master criminal.
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Speaker 1: Although she did, she did pull it off. She didn't
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Speaker 1: get caught. There's a key word here that keeps being
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Speaker 1: thrown out relative to the New Newark issue. And this
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Speaker 1: is coming, you know. I don't know if the press
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Speaker 1: is getting this word from law enforcement, but it says
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Speaker 1: some one, some one dropped her off. Well, what does
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Speaker 1: that mean? She took She took a cab out of
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Speaker 1: the city and went to New York visa v cab.
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Speaker 1: I don't think she's running on uber, you know, because
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Speaker 1: that's got an electronic signature to it. But one, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at an image right now, this alleged image
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Speaker 1: from her. Why are you saying this alleged image off?
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Speaker 1: It's her? I can't, I can't. No, no, no no, no,
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Speaker 1: looks just like the LaGuardia image. Yeah, well the one
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Speaker 1: that I'm seeing right now. This is very interesting. She's
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Speaker 1: wearing a blue jean jacket, a gray shirt, white pants.
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Speaker 1: But Nancy's sitting right on top of her hand. Here
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Speaker 1: is a cell phone, and I'm thinking, why haven't you
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Speaker 1: dumped this thing yet? It's a pink it looks like
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Speaker 1: it's in a pink case. It looks like it's probably
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Speaker 1: an iPhone more than likely, you know, if she's that sophisticated,
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Speaker 1: why hasn't she dumped the phone yet? Or is this
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Speaker 1: a burner phone that she's got. The pink cover did
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Speaker 1: throw me because I don't normally think of a burner
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Speaker 1: phone having a pink cover. But hey, you know, haven't
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Speaker 1: you walked through them all? You can't. You can't turn
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Speaker 1: around without bumping into a cell phone kiosk, they're everywhere,
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Speaker 1: So long story short, would she spend money on a
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Speaker 1: pink cover for a burner phone she's going to get
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Speaker 1: rid of? Which is a long discourse in my notes
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Speaker 1: about how you would use a burner phone. And here's
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Speaker 1: my thought before I lose it. Certainly the cops went
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Speaker 1: through her iCloud, her laptop, her iPad, her she has
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Speaker 1: a desktop to get all of her contacts, to get
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Speaker 1: ideas about where she may be going. Did she book
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Speaker 1: a flight through any any of her devices. Certainly they've
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Speaker 1: looked in the iCloud. I would look at who her
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Speaker 1: most frequent callers are, who she's calling, and then find
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Speaker 1: out if they're getting calls from a burner phone. It's
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Speaker 1: so simple, and then find that burner phone and paying
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Speaker 1: it for Pete's sake. Yeah, one more thing back to
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Speaker 1: this issue of burner phone, and I'll be quiet. The
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Speaker 1: thought about be quiet now, the thought for me is this,
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Speaker 1: I cannot imagine that she is using any kind of
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Speaker 1: electronic divide, you know, something that can be traced back
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Speaker 1: electronically to purchase things with. She's a cash only business
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Speaker 1: right now, and I'm thinking cash is precious to her.
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Speaker 1: There's only so much cash you can carry with you,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know how much she may have had
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Speaker 1: on board. Did she run to the bank before she
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Speaker 1: bolted out bolted out of Texas and you know her
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Speaker 1: that's the coin of the realm, if you will. I
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Speaker 1: can't imagine she's using She's using cash that's precious cash
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Speaker 1: to go out and purchase something that's kind of expensive.
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Speaker 1: You know, why not just dump the phone and you
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Speaker 1: just you just run, You just run without any any
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Speaker 1: way to electronically connect you. Okay, guys, where is Caitlin
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Speaker 1: Marie Armstrung. She's at the center of a deadly loved triangle.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our cut thirty five. This
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Speaker 1: is Kelly Siberry Austin. Armstrong has not been seen since
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Speaker 1: May thirteenth. She's also deleted all her social media accounts.
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Speaker 1: According to anonymous tips to APDs Homicide Union, Wilson died
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Speaker 1: on May eleventh in an East Austin apartment. Her friend
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Speaker 1: that she was staying with found her bleeding and unconscious
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Speaker 1: upon returning home. Police say she suffered from multiple gunshot wounds.
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Speaker 1: Wilson traveled to Austin for the Gravel Locos Race, where
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Speaker 1: she was favored to win earlier this month. A few
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Speaker 1: weeks before that, she also won another competition out in California.
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Speaker 1: She and Armstrong both had romantic relationships with the same man,
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Speaker 1: Colin Strickland. Another professional cyclist. The day of Wilson's death,
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Speaker 1: she and Strickland went to Deep Eddy's pool and ate
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Speaker 1: dinner together. The two had a week long relationship last fall,
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Speaker 1: and that's while he was on a break from his
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Speaker 1: relationship with Armstrong. Detectives believe that video shows Armstrong's SUV
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Speaker 1: pulling up to the holme Wilson was staying in just
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Speaker 1: one minute after Strickland dropped her off. When Armstrong was
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Speaker 1: confronted with the video of the vehicle, detectives wrote, quote,
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Speaker 1: she had no explanation as to why it was in
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Speaker 1: the area and did not make any denials. Wow, and
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Speaker 1: they let her go. They showed her the ring video
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Speaker 1: of her driving around the murder scene. She got upset
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Speaker 1: and walked out, and they let her slip through their fingers.
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Speaker 1: A whole another can of worms. But I want you
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Speaker 1: to hear more from Detective Richard Spiller and are cut
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Speaker 1: thirty eight. Take a listen to the details surrounding the
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Speaker 1: brutal shooting of this young bicyclist, number one Dirt and
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Speaker 1: Gravel biker female division in the world, now dead from
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Speaker 1: multiple multiple gunshot wounds. Listen the awesome Police Department's Tech
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Speaker 1: until unit located Collin at his residence and he agreed
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Speaker 1: to an interview. The Awesome Police Department is aware that
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Speaker 1: the ring camera video was released. The Awesome Police Department
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Speaker 1: did not release that video and will not release any
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Speaker 1: footage to protect the investigations integrity. Members of the tact
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Speaker 1: Until unit located Armstrong and she was arrested for a
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Speaker 1: misdemeanor warrant issued out of Travis County. Armstrong was transported
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Speaker 1: to the main police station and interviewed. Armstrong was questioned
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Speaker 1: about her vehicle being in the area as pictured on
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Speaker 1: the ring camera. However, she would not confirm or deny
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Speaker 1: being in the area of the murder and quickly terminated
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Speaker 1: the interview. Walt straight out of there. Now here is
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Speaker 1: the number one phone I would be tapping, Daddy, take
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Speaker 1: a listen hour cut forty. This is our friend, Matt Goodman.
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Speaker 1: Mike Armstrong is shattered. He said his daughter is not
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Speaker 1: capable of committing the crime. She's accused of murdering a
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Speaker 1: love rival in a fit of jealous rage. But there
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Speaker 1: is one thing that he and authorities agree upon at
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Speaker 1: this point. There are a lot of when I answer
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Speaker 1: questions here, we love you, Katie, and we are going
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Speaker 1: to figure this out this morning, the father of missing
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Speaker 1: murder suspect Caitlin Armstrong, speaking exclusively with ABC News. I
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Speaker 1: know her, and I know how she thinks, and I
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Speaker 1: know what she believes, and I know that she would
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Speaker 1: not do something like this. I know her, I know her,
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Speaker 1: He says his daughter is not capable of committing the
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Speaker 1: crime she's charged with, shooting her alleged romantic rival, rising
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Speaker 1: cycling star Mariah Wilson. That is what they believe. I
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Speaker 1: know that she did not do this. There are a
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Speaker 1: lot of un answered questions. I wonder what unanswered questions
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Speaker 1: those would be. And of course a dad is going
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Speaker 1: to stand by his daughter, come hail or high water.
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Speaker 1: My point is I'd be tapping his phone like nobody's business.
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Speaker 1: After I got a warrant, of course, joining me right now.
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Speaker 1: Runia man Carrus CEO Crime Stoppers of Houston, author of
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Speaker 1: the Online World What you think you know and what
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Speaker 1: you don't, Ronnie, thank you for being with us. Why Yan,
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Speaker 1: why is she turning up a yet another airport terminal
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Speaker 1: in the same outbit with a yoga matt She might
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Speaker 1: as well take out an ad on Third Avenue. Here
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Speaker 1: I am come and get me. Well, she tried to
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Speaker 1: miss elite authorities, but why would she go to that effort,
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Speaker 1: Why not just take off? Yep, Nancy, I think we
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Speaker 1: are all underestimating Armstrong. Listen. She had a bit of
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Speaker 1: luck when she was first taken in and released, but
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Speaker 1: after that, we've got to look at this woman and
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Speaker 1: she's a little bit more of a mastermind than we're
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Speaker 1: giving her credit for. Two people called law enforcement and
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Speaker 1: worried about her comments, saying that she was shaking with anger,
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Speaker 1: furious about this relationship Colin had, saying that she had
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Speaker 1: a motive. She wanted to kill Mo Wilson. You look
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Speaker 1: at even that botox case. She had the forethought, in
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Speaker 1: the foresight to leave a credit card there, thinking no
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Speaker 1: one's going to question this, go back to her car
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Speaker 1: and run. That takes some calculation. She used Strava to
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Speaker 1: track both Colin and Mo. She was calculated. Know that
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Speaker 1: your reports are indicating that not only did she shoot
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Speaker 1: Mo allegedly in the torso, but use the silencer. Listen.
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Speaker 1: She's then leaving town, hitting multiple airports strategically. I think
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Speaker 1: we are underestimating the yoga instructor and real estate agents
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Speaker 1: and not giving her enough credit. She's eluding police, She's
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Speaker 1: eluding many people who are looking forward. Thankful tips are
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Speaker 1: coming in, but we've got to look at her a
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Speaker 1: little bit differently. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. There's a
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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars reward right now for anyone that can
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Speaker 1: generate a tip leading to her arrest. And imagine how
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Speaker 1: Moe's family is feeling right now that this yoga instructor
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Speaker 1: as a man to elude the Texas Rangers, the NYPD,
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Speaker 1: security at LaGuardia, and now security at Newark. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to James shell Nut, twenty seven years Metro major case
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Speaker 1: former SWAT, now a lawyer at the shell Nut shell
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Speaker 1: Nut Law Firm, Okay shell Nut find it really hard
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Speaker 1: to believe that this woman would blow her cover and
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Speaker 1: show up at Newark Airport if she was not going
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Speaker 1: to take a flight, why would she divulge. She's still
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Speaker 1: in the New York area. And by the way, we
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Speaker 1: keep saying, how did she get there? How did you
21:38
Speaker 1: get there? Cops are already saying they know how she
21:41
Speaker 1: got there. Newer Airport is wrapped so tightly with security
21:46
Speaker 1: that they have They have cameras every which way you turn.
21:51
Speaker 1: They have giant cement barrels for lack of a better term,
21:57
Speaker 1: out front, so nobody can drive in and a buy
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Speaker 1: go off. I mean, do we have to say nine
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Speaker 1: one one September eleven, Newark LaGuardia JFK on high alert.
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Speaker 1: They've got some of the best surveillance in an airport
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Speaker 1: in the world, and this woman walks right into the
22:17
Speaker 1: trap and loses the cops. Why would she go in
22:21
Speaker 1: to Newark Airport which is covered in surveillance if she
22:26
Speaker 1: weren't going to leave on a plane. You know, I
22:29
Speaker 1: don't know what was in her mind. What I will
22:30
Speaker 1: tell you my guess is that she went to a
22:33
Speaker 1: crowded public place because she felt like possibly she was
22:37
Speaker 1: being followed or somebody was on her trail. She goes
22:40
Speaker 1: into a crowded public place in one part and leaves
22:43
Speaker 1: out the other part. You know, she thinks that the
22:45
Speaker 1: authorities are going to find her at this airport or
22:47
Speaker 1: tracker to the airport, thinks she's going to get on
22:49
Speaker 1: a plane, but she gives them a slip and leaves.
22:52
Speaker 1: Why not just leave without the charade? Why not just
22:55
Speaker 1: leave and go where you want to go. Why would
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Speaker 1: you go through the risk of being caught at Newark Airport,
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Speaker 1: which is covered in surveillance. Okay, well then okay, if
23:04
Speaker 1: you agree, then why did you just say that. Well,
23:06
Speaker 1: here's here's what I think I think they're thinking this time. Okay,
23:11
Speaker 1: no offense, but I just got a feeling she had
23:14
Speaker 1: a bad decision. She read a bad decision. I mean
23:17
Speaker 1: that she thinks that she's being smart, she thinks that
23:21
Speaker 1: she's going to evade people. But what she did is
23:23
Speaker 1: she walked into one of the highest surveilled places in
23:25
Speaker 1: the country. You know, the city of New York City
23:28
Speaker 1: has approaching twenty thousand, twenty thousand surveillance cameras. It's not
23:33
Speaker 1: helping the crime rate. No, no, it's not at all.
23:36
Speaker 1: The crime rate is going up, up up. What they
23:39
Speaker 1: can do, though, is if they have a target like
23:40
Speaker 1: this lady, they can go back and they can recreate
23:44
Speaker 1: her steps. They can watch her, find her again when
23:47
Speaker 1: she loses them on closed circuit TV, locate where she's going.
23:51
Speaker 1: They know who dropped her off. I mean, she could
23:53
Speaker 1: have taken a train, she could have taken an uber,
23:55
Speaker 1: she could have taken a lift. We don't know how
23:57
Speaker 1: she got there. They'll know if that was the case then,
24:00
Speaker 1: and they already know it. She could have easily got
24:01
Speaker 1: on a path train. But guess what, there's camera's all
24:04
Speaker 1: the way through the subway stations. What she has done
24:07
Speaker 1: is she's ultimately by going back to that airport, she
24:10
Speaker 1: has started the clock ticking down to her capture and
24:13
Speaker 1: they're gonna get her, and it's going to be relatively soon,
24:15
Speaker 1: you know. To you, doctor Sherry Schwartz, this is all
24:19
Speaker 1: over a man and no offense to the wonderful men
24:22
Speaker 1: on our panel today, I mean all those great dads
24:26
Speaker 1: like my dad, my husband, you know, but really over
24:31
Speaker 1: a guy that's cheating. I mean, did you hear that,
24:35
Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz. Guys, Doctor Sherry Schwartz is with me
24:38
Speaker 1: forensic psychologists specializing in capital mitigation, author of criminal behavior
24:44
Speaker 1: and where law and psychology intersect. She's at panther Mitigation
24:48
Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Sherry. Really, this guy call on Strickland
24:54
Speaker 1: admits to a one week affair while he and Caitlin Armstrong,
25:02
Speaker 1: the alleged killer, we're on a break. What does that mean?
25:06
Speaker 1: A break? I mean if my husband and I God
25:10
Speaker 1: help us went on a break. I wouldn't expect him
25:13
Speaker 1: to go pick somebody up and have a sex fling
25:17
Speaker 1: with them. Maybe I'm, you know, projecting, because I wouldn't
25:23
Speaker 1: do that. I love him, I love my children. I
25:26
Speaker 1: don't want to risk them. So what does that mean?
25:29
Speaker 1: You take a break from your relationship for one week
25:34
Speaker 1: and you have a sex relationship in that one week
25:36
Speaker 1: with somebody who wants that guy? No, I don't want him? Well,
25:40
Speaker 1: I agree, and I think most women would agree that
25:44
Speaker 1: he's not worth it. Obviously he's being dishonest. But I
25:49
Speaker 1: don't believe that this is because she loves him so much.
25:53
Speaker 1: I think maybe she's convinced herself that's what it's about.
25:56
Speaker 1: But the larceny charge tells us a lot about her.
25:59
Speaker 1: This is about she perceived that Moe was taking something
26:03
Speaker 1: that was hers, and so it's more about power and
26:07
Speaker 1: really feeling entitled to eliminate any competition to take whatever
26:12
Speaker 1: she wants at no cost to herself. And so I
26:16
Speaker 1: think that that's kind of what we're dealing with here,
26:18
Speaker 1: somebody who is used to getting her way, who is
26:22
Speaker 1: not used to being told no. She's a successful businesswoman
26:25
Speaker 1: and she's going to eliminate anybody that's in her way.
26:29
Speaker 1: You know, I want to circle back to Stephanie Pagunis
26:31
Speaker 1: joining us from Fox Digital. We keep talking about in
26:34
Speaker 1: the botox incident, and I just kind of chalked her
26:37
Speaker 1: off as a misdemeanor theft and instead of arresting her
26:41
Speaker 1: on that warrant for murder, on violation of the warrant,
26:45
Speaker 1: and they let her slip through their fingers. I hadn't
26:47
Speaker 1: really thought the way doctor Sherry Schwartz just laid it
26:49
Speaker 1: out about what that tells me about the alleged killer
26:54
Speaker 1: yoga teacher Kaitlin Armstrong. It does tell me something about her.
26:58
Speaker 1: She did Calk'll like, she goes in, she gets botox,
27:04
Speaker 1: when she leaves, you tell me the rest, Stephanie Bagana's
27:08
Speaker 1: go ahead. So she goes in, she gets botox, she leaves,
27:11
Speaker 1: she goes to pay, and they say your total is
27:13
Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty dollars. She then says, oh, well,
27:17
Speaker 1: here's a master card, but actually I would like to
27:20
Speaker 1: use a different card that's in my car. I'll be
27:22
Speaker 1: right back, and then she never returns. And like you said, Nancy,
27:27
Speaker 1: and like everyone before me, it does say a lot
27:30
Speaker 1: about her, not only not only in this sense of
27:34
Speaker 1: she's getting what she wants, but also I think in
27:37
Speaker 1: the way that she seems so brazen, even just returning to,
27:41
Speaker 1: you know, such a heavily surveiled airport. She's fairly brazen
27:46
Speaker 1: in all of the allegations so far against her. You
27:48
Speaker 1: know you're right, but I still say, you know, I
27:51
Speaker 1: want to think this through. Her brand is with me,
27:53
Speaker 1: from her US Marshall Service, international investigations and author or
27:57
Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying, well, she went into
28:01
Speaker 1: Newark Airport to throw off police. I find that to
28:05
Speaker 1: be a very risky maneuver in an attempt to throw
28:08
Speaker 1: off police. If she went in, changed her appearance, and
28:12
Speaker 1: went out, why would she risk getting caught by showing
28:16
Speaker 1: up at Newark Airport International Airport if she weren't taking
28:19
Speaker 1: a flight she didn't, Nancy, it's easy to overthink a
28:25
Speaker 1: case like this and give people too much credit. The
28:30
Speaker 1: simplest answer is usually the correct answer. Someone's helping her.
28:34
Speaker 1: So one gave her a ride to the airport. Someone
28:37
Speaker 1: gave her an ID, whether it's passport or a government
28:40
Speaker 1: issued ID. Someone gave her a phone. You identified the
28:44
Speaker 1: person that's helping her, You're going to know everything about her.
28:47
Speaker 1: She's not an evil genius. She will get caught. I
28:50
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody's helping her. Well, let me think
28:53
Speaker 1: this through, because if that person that you're conjuring up
28:59
Speaker 1: and yes they exist, drove her to the airport, cops
29:03
Speaker 1: already know who that is. They know how she got
29:05
Speaker 1: to the airport. So if that person's helping her, wouldn't
29:09
Speaker 1: she at least have a change of clothes, wouldn't they say, Hey,
29:13
Speaker 1: cut your hair and diet, put it in a bump,
29:14
Speaker 1: put in a ponytail, put it under a hat, a
29:16
Speaker 1: different hat than the one you were wearing the last
29:18
Speaker 1: time you were called on surveillance video. I mean, I
29:21
Speaker 1: will never forget. Let me tell you a story, or
29:23
Speaker 1: I will never forget. This guy. What did he do?
29:27
Speaker 1: He was a drug trafficker and he shot somebody dead
29:30
Speaker 1: in a deal. I mean a trafficker, I don't mean
29:33
Speaker 1: selling one hit of crack on the corner. So I
29:38
Speaker 1: had him in court. He had on a red leather outfit,
29:43
Speaker 1: bright engine, you know, like a Michael Jackson jacket, and
29:47
Speaker 1: he said it wasn't him, It was not him that
29:50
Speaker 1: did the shooting. Then some surveillance photos showed up. Guess
29:56
Speaker 1: what the part was wearing the bright red leather jacket.
30:00
Speaker 1: I was so happy. My point is she's wearing the
30:04
Speaker 1: same outfit. I'm not talking about fashion. I don't give
30:07
Speaker 1: a flying fig about fashion. What I'm saying is who's
30:10
Speaker 1: helping her. She doesn't even have a change of clothes.
30:13
Speaker 1: That's that's the point, Nancy. I'm not saying the person
30:16
Speaker 1: that's helping her is an evil genius. I don't think
30:20
Speaker 1: either of them are very smart, and criminals do the
30:23
Speaker 1: dumbest things and they seem to get away with it.
30:26
Speaker 1: But my point is she has to be lucky every
30:30
Speaker 1: single time. One of these times her luck's going to
30:33
Speaker 1: run out. So do you think she was going there
30:35
Speaker 1: to take another flight out? Absolutely? She absolutely left my
30:41
Speaker 1: flat time stories with Nancy Grace got Morgan, all of
31:01
Speaker 1: this this wrangling in these middle gymnastics. We hear law
31:04
Speaker 1: enforcement going through about We're not sure she ever left Newark.
31:08
Speaker 1: What is she hiding out there in the lady's bathroom.
31:10
Speaker 1: She just went in and did a fashion show or
31:14
Speaker 1: for a tired outfit and left. No, I don't think
31:17
Speaker 1: she would show up at Newark Airport unless she was
31:20
Speaker 1: going to take a flight. All this drama about she
31:23
Speaker 1: was trying to throw cops off offra trail, they were
31:27
Speaker 1: already offra trail. They can't find her. Why do that? Yeah,
31:30
Speaker 1: to Earth's point, you know, one of the things that
31:33
Speaker 1: you hear when we hear Newark. For me at least,
31:36
Speaker 1: it popped into my mind was international, And she may
31:39
Speaker 1: have just as well just taken a domestic plight. It
31:42
Speaker 1: could it could have been a regional flight anywhere. She's
31:44
Speaker 1: plops the cash down and now she's off to somewhere
31:48
Speaker 1: else in the US. So, you know, I think the
31:51
Speaker 1: thing that they're going to do that is a starting point.
31:53
Speaker 1: I think that even Shellman said that earlier. It's a
31:56
Speaker 1: starting point to go from there and kind of extend
32:00
Speaker 1: out from the flights that were outbound at that particular
32:03
Speaker 1: time of day in Newer to go and search those out.
32:07
Speaker 1: The question is, how is she not popping up on
32:09
Speaker 1: a manifest somewhere. Well, she's got to have a fake ID.
32:12
Speaker 1: She has to. Yeah, she showed up to take a
32:14
Speaker 1: flight with a fake I mean, Joe Scott, look down
32:17
Speaker 1: at your phone, go to Google, g O O G
32:20
Speaker 1: L e and put in get fake Id's so easy.
32:25
Speaker 1: She has been somewhere. Hold up, she got a fake
32:28
Speaker 1: ID for Pete'say, she's in New York, but I mean
32:31
Speaker 1: she has a fake ID and she left. That is
32:34
Speaker 1: my best guest. But I want to go back to
32:36
Speaker 1: doctor Sherry. Doctor Sherry Schwartz is joining me. Renowned psychologists
32:42
Speaker 1: for specialty is literally the name of her book, where
32:45
Speaker 1: law and psychology intersect criminal behavior. Doctor Sherry, please take
32:51
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut thirty two. This is our friend,
32:54
Speaker 1: Angela Shan Austin. The search is on for Caitlin Armstrong.
32:58
Speaker 1: Officials are asking for them public's help in finding her.
33:01
Speaker 1: According to the core of paperwork, an anonymous caller had
33:04
Speaker 1: called police saying Armstrong said she wanted to kill Wilson
33:08
Speaker 1: after finding out she was involved with her boyfriend. Now
33:11
Speaker 1: The affidavit says the night of the murder, Wilson went
33:14
Speaker 1: for a swim with Colin Strickland, another cyclist. After that
33:18
Speaker 1: he dropped her off at her friend's house. Wilson was
33:20
Speaker 1: visiting from California and was an Austin ahead of a
33:23
Speaker 1: race in Hiko. The paperwork says Strickland and Caitlin Armstrong
33:27
Speaker 1: were in a relationship before briefly ending it for a
33:30
Speaker 1: couple of weeks last year. At that time, he was
33:33
Speaker 1: involved with Wilson. Armstrong's car was seen on surveillance video
33:36
Speaker 1: at Wilson's friend's home. A race director we spoke with
33:39
Speaker 1: earlier this week says this is how he remembers Wilson.
33:43
Speaker 1: We all just marveled at, you know, just whatled a
33:47
Speaker 1: wonderful personality and a great athlete in an ambassador for
33:51
Speaker 1: st floor And then all of a sudden, how could
33:55
Speaker 1: this happen? And police say at this point Armstrong has
33:58
Speaker 1: not been found. They are asking for public's help in
34:01
Speaker 1: finding her. And not only did he go swimming with
34:05
Speaker 1: his old lover behind his girlfriend, the yoga instructor's back,
34:10
Speaker 1: he flat out lied about it. Am I blaming him
34:14
Speaker 1: for the murder? No, but I am just imagining how
34:18
Speaker 1: angry the yoga teacher Kaitlin Armstrong got. She is looking
34:23
Speaker 1: at her boyfriend, Colin Strickland with Mariah. They're swimming at
34:29
Speaker 1: the Big Eddy it's a pool, and then she's following
34:32
Speaker 1: them around town and he's texting hers lies during all this.
34:38
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime online dot
34:40
Speaker 1: Com Our Cut twenty, Colin Strickland picked Anna Wilson up
34:44
Speaker 1: for their swim date on his motorcycle. The pair spent
34:47
Speaker 1: time at the City of Austin's deep Eddie Pool, then
34:50
Speaker 1: walked to Poolburger to eat. Afterwards, he drove Wilson back
34:53
Speaker 1: to her friends home, but didn't go inside. On the
34:56
Speaker 1: way home, Strickland stopped to text Armstrong at eight thirty
35:00
Speaker 1: six pm. His text message said, hey, are you out?
35:04
Speaker 1: Went to drop some flowers for Alison at her son's
35:07
Speaker 1: house up north and my phone died. Heading home Unless
35:10
Speaker 1: you have another food suggestion, Strickland lied to a squirrel friend.
35:14
Speaker 1: Strickland arrived home around eight forty three pm and sent
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Speaker 1: Armstrong another text and headed to the garage to work
35:21
Speaker 1: on his bicycles to prepare for an upcoming race. He
35:24
Speaker 1: sent another text message to Armstrong at nine twenty one
35:28
Speaker 1: and not long after Armstrong arrived home driving a twenty
35:32
Speaker 1: twelve Jeap Grand Cherokee with a large bicycle rack mounted
35:36
Speaker 1: on the trailer hitch, a luggage rack mounted on the roof,
35:39
Speaker 1: and chrome around the windows. According to Strickland, Armstrong was
35:43
Speaker 1: the only person to drive that vehicle the tag. Now
35:46
Speaker 1: we're on that car, which has still not been found,
35:49
Speaker 1: the cheap Cherokee L D Delta Z five six zero
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Speaker 1: eight repeat L D Delta ZESUS five six zero eight.
36:01
Speaker 1: What will it show is probably not much because we
36:04
Speaker 1: know she did not drive to New York. She boarded
36:07
Speaker 1: a flight out of Austin to straight into I believe
36:11
Speaker 1: she went through Hobby and then ended up there at LaGuardia.
36:16
Speaker 1: She disappeared May fourteen, and reappeared May eighteen, four days later,
36:24
Speaker 1: waltzing through JFK. Liberty International Airport. Now what I was
36:29
Speaker 1: going to say to you dot to Sherry Schwartz, how
36:32
Speaker 1: angry she already knew about the brief affair that Moe
36:37
Speaker 1: had with her boyfriend, Collins Chickland. And I think Jackie,
36:40
Speaker 1: weren't they business partners too? Didn't they have the business together?
36:44
Speaker 1: He had the business, But I don't think I feel
36:46
Speaker 1: like he's somehow involved in the business. That said, she's
36:51
Speaker 1: driving around following them on his motorcycle. He's on the
36:54
Speaker 1: motorcycle with Moe, and she's in her black jeep Cherokee
36:57
Speaker 1: following them. She's watching them, and he is texting her
37:01
Speaker 1: all these lies, don't you know? She was getting madder
37:04
Speaker 1: and matter like a volcano about to erupt. Absolutely, this
37:09
Speaker 1: is predatory behavior, right, following somebody around. Yeah, and now
37:12
Speaker 1: she's getting these messages with these lies, so she knows
37:17
Speaker 1: that they're false because she's seeing what's going on, and
37:20
Speaker 1: yet she doesn't confront him. At the end of this,
37:23
Speaker 1: Mariah winds up debt. So as her anger is building,
37:27
Speaker 1: it's building towards this person who who is not texting
37:31
Speaker 1: her any lies whatsoever? You know? Question to you, Jess
37:35
Speaker 1: got Morgan. We believe that she used a sig sour
37:42
Speaker 1: with a silencer. What does that tell you? Well, if
37:47
Speaker 1: she had a legally purchased suppressor, which you know, contrary
37:51
Speaker 1: to what people think, it doesn't. It doesn't get rid
37:55
Speaker 1: of all of the sound. There is a oh my god,
37:58
Speaker 1: there is a ton of paperwork that you have to
38:02
Speaker 1: go through in order to acquire a suppressor, and you
38:05
Speaker 1: can pick them up at gun stores. But it's like
38:07
Speaker 1: a year long process. Nancy, Okay, so it was a year. Fine,
38:10
Speaker 1: it was a year. But what does it tell you
38:12
Speaker 1: that she used a silencer? Well, she's got something in
38:15
Speaker 1: her mind where she wants to not be detected when
38:19
Speaker 1: she's firing a weapon. All right, you can do that
38:22
Speaker 1: for any number of purposes, all right, But you know,
38:24
Speaker 1: automatically as an investigator, and you're thinking this woman's, you know,
38:27
Speaker 1: involved in a homicide, you're thinking, well, she wants to
38:30
Speaker 1: go undetected at that point in time. So how long
38:33
Speaker 1: has this been brewing in her mind at this point?
38:36
Speaker 1: You know, a year? If we just used a year
38:39
Speaker 1: as a starting point with her, a year down range,
38:41
Speaker 1: Nancy has this been kind of bubbling up in her
38:45
Speaker 1: mind the entire time? Say it started bubbling when her
38:48
Speaker 1: boyfriend had that brief affair for one week. Guys, the
38:52
Speaker 1: tip line again, she has now been raised to a
38:56
Speaker 1: major case target that means more funding and more manpower.
39:02
Speaker 1: The tip line. That number is one eight hundred three
39:06
Speaker 1: three six zero one zero two repeat three three six
39:11
Speaker 1: zero one zero two. You think she's just a yoga instructor.
39:17
Speaker 1: She's already killed once over a one week affair. Who
39:23
Speaker 1: else will she kill to save her own skin? Nancy
39:26
Speaker 1: grace crime story is cunning off. Goodbye Friend,