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Talks to Andy, Lee & Cam about their choice of The Mind Robber (3/5) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife for doing quicker.
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  Quicker, ladies and gentlemen of the Internet, welcome to Hamster
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  with a Blunt Pen Knife, Episode 3 of The Mind Robber, the Doctor
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  Who Commentary podcast, which acts the pertinent question such
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  as is that a recorder in your pocket or you're just pleased to
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  see us? Joining me tonight, Cameron from
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  the Polish Box is my fellow Polish Box conspirator, Mr. Lee
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  Mcmenamin. Many, many, many, many, many,
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  many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many.
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  The evening Miss Begbo, how are you?
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  That's what I get called at weekends I have.
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  To pay extra for that sort of thing.
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  Yeah, I understand. We have fresh faced, young and
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  innocent to the world of Doctor Who, Mr. Andy Kent.
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  Hello. Hello, thanks very much for
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  another introduction. Can we just say that, man?
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  I mean, he's just dived into this today, hasn't he?
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  I've been utterly fabulous. Let's be honest, I've been doing
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  it for fucking years. Sorry, are you referring to, are
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  you referring to me there? I can't hear the noise of my
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  massive erection right now. Oh.
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  Boy, say. Compliments coming.
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  You'll never be disappointed here.
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  Yeah, Polish box. They're very studious.
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  You. Know yeah.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We're we're we're the highbrow.
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  Well, highbrow was lying down I think is the probably the the
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  the Bart. We aim for the Polish box as
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  you've heard as well. You know your usual presenter
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  for harsh of the blood pen knife, the the delectable Mr.
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  Joe Ford. This is how we've managed to get
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  1000 episodes out. You know we never bloody talk
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  about the story with. No.
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  Nice time. You know, that's why everyone
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  wants to come back. I don't know anything about
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  Doctor Who, but I know about my life.
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  Yeah. Just, you know, we just lie,
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  Doctor Who's just this subterfuge thing to get people
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  to, like, come along the podcast, isn't it?
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  Yeah, it's a cover. Good cover.
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  Just round after round of oral AURAL sex.
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  Yeah. That's a great time by all.
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  Get a. Distinction rate, yeah.
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  I mean, I mean, obviously, Joe, you're going to have other
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  podcasts for subjects which you know a little about.
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  You can just invite people onto your Scottish football podcast
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  starts next week, I hear I'm. Thinking of starting one
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  actually, you know, and bringing on all the experts to educate
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  me. I'll be like the one who's thick
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  as shoe, don't know anything. Yeah, You only feel that I'm
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  missing a trick here where it's like we're all of a certain age
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  and I, I'm the only one here that doesn't have my own
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  podcast. You know, I I feel like I don't
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  even think. And from what I've learned so
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  far, you don't even need a topic.
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  Yeah, just no, just. You don't.
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  Even need a loose. Plot.
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  All you've got to do is be charismatic and hot and you're
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  fine, yeah. Exactly.
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  If there's any help, Andy, I don't really have my own
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  podcast. I just really turn up on other
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  people that I've been invited to and then just talk and they do
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  all the work. Joanne, did you stop Football
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  podcast? Because I feel as if you've got,
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  you know, extreme knowledge of football, encyclopedic
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  knowledge. In fact, I could come on and be
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  your really stupid guest and knows nothing at all and you can
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  educate me. Well, I was going to say Lee and
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  I did. Play, Play the idea.
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  Play around with the idea of doing a a football podcast.
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  In fact, I think we were going to have a stab at something not
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  too dissimilar to the construct of this.
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  But then what was it? Your Steam yard, or whatever
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  it's called decided. To be sort of bastards.
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  Oh, sorry. Now if we discussed the plans
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  with skinny yards. So yeah, we're back on.
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  If you want to do it, I've got a guest.
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  If I want to go here, we. Go here we.
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  Go if you need somebody with a gaping hole in their knowledge
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  of football on there. That you.
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  Need to be killed. Joe, you were telling this last
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  time we did this, that you used to go to Millwall, West Ham.
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  Yeah, Oh my God, The fists were flying.
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  Honest to God, it was the most violent thing I've ever seen in
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  my life. It was a massacre, one of them.
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  So just just keeping on the, the, the, the sports context
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  here. So I, I love football and I love
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  rugby as well. But my wife, however, absolutely
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  adores rugby. She is a massive, massive
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  Edinburgh rugby fan. We go to Scotland games, all
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  that kind of stuff. And you know why is she loves
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  Watch grown watching grown men have a fight.
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  That's why I love rugby when I was.
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  As well when I. Was at school and.
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  Man having a fight. I was the first one on the pitch
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  to play rugby. Oh man, I loved it.
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  I was quite broad. Did you?
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  I was quite a broader yourself. Oh boy.
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  And then the showers afterwards, I mean, it was the highlight of
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  the day. Rugby telling, telling me
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  stories that she's gone to the Scotland under 21's games and
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  we're having a moral conundrum conversation about is it all
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  right for me to be pervent on these guys?
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  I was like, go for it, you know? It'd be different.
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  It'd be different if I was doing that, you know, But you knock
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  yourself out. I mean, you scrub up so well,
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  look at you. But if you sort of like I'm not
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  rolled across the the muddy lawn outside, I think you'd be even
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  hotter. You know it's.
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  Like get me drunk and we'll see if that plays out.
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  Steel. Oh God, what are we here to talk
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  about again? I forgot.
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  Doctor Who? Allegedly.
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  Oh. Yeah, that whole thing.
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  Yeah, I mean. Nobody wants to know, I mean.
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  Mr. Lane. What should I count Azin?
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  Shall I? I think should we watch
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  something? We should just.
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  We should just crack on and just, yeah, get one team doctor.
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  Bullshit over with so we can flirt some more.
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  Come on. OK, end 3, so one off we go.
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  I mean, that's all sequence is fairly psychedelic, isn't it?
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  It's sort of like going down a bow, isn't it?
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  Yeah, it's the first time the doctor's face appears in it.
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  It's very sort of looms out of the lines.
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  Yeah. That's quite chilling.
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  There he is. There we go.
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  Hello, are you family #2 or family #3?
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  Hello my name. Is Patrick Travan annoying?
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  Actually, he's on my boots knowing absolutely Hee Haw about
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  cinematography. How difficult is this stuff
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  given the that it's for 1968? So like you said about like
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  morphing the doctors face into that intro bit is that was that
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  difficult? Was that and was that trivial?
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  It was feedback, wasn't it? They would .1 camera at another
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  camera and you'd get feedback and that would be those weird
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  shapes coming out of it, and then they'd overlay Patrick
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  Trenton's face. So it was all sort of just weird
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  experimental technology effects. I like the Russell T Davis
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  cliffhanger resolution there of. It wasn't actually real.
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  They're all fine, I suppose. The other option was fake Jamie
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  to get gored to death so you know that's.
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  Going to be all your fools. You know, when they eventually
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  go, you know who's behind all of this?
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  The Master. Did any of you think, oh, my
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  God, it's the Master? Yeah.
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  That was my. I thought that was just my
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  naivety because when they said the master, I was like, Oh no,
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  it's master of what was it? A land of fiction.
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  Let me. That was it.
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  Thank you. I did wonder about that,
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  especially Andy, because when we last had you on the post box,
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  you've done Terror of the Autons and I've never seen any more
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  more excited about the 4 episodes of Doctor in your life.
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  I know how much you loved that, so the minute the Master gets
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  mentioned in this I could just imagine you'd be face.
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  I, I, I had such a good time doing that and it's like I, I
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  only want to do so if I'm ever invited back.
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  I only ever want to do the positivity train.
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  You know, it was, it was just, I had an absolute cracking time
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  just immersing myself with that. Like I said, the only bit that I
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  was unhappy about is they didn't blow up the bus that would have
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  that, that would have done it for.
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  Me not not to do my podcast admin on another person's
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  podcast I'm. Getting you and Keith.
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  I'm getting you and Keith back for the Curse of Henry Cup
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  against Joe giving his love of Sophie Aldred and her acting
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  style. Love.
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  We're not. We're not knocking Sophie.
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  We're not knocking, Sophie. Talentless wench.
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  Yeah. Did you notice on my thousandth
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  episode that I got us do a cameo?
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  Oh well, you may not have heard it, but she did a cameo going
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  happy one thousandth episode Joe not realizing that in every
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  single episode of those thousand I've been ripping her to pieces.
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  God bless her, but she's got to pay her gas bill, right?
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  So I should do anything. Oh my.
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  Look at those cobwebs at this at my house.
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  Let's. Clean up the BBC storage
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  cupboard again. Let's just find out these
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  cobwebs. The cracking the cracking camera
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  about going on this as well because I've.
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  Got look at the blood in his eyes.
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  Look at look at that. He's like, I mean even fake
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  Jamie is like straight in to attack that guy.
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  Far more than real Jamie, right? That's true.
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  See fake Jamie is Jamie that looks like he's been in a car
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  accident and then has had like reconstructive surgery.
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  Look at this though. I mean, this is bullshit, right?
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  Look, you can see Fraser Hines, his whole face is the third
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  thing on every single pit there. Clearly that was not there the
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  first time. Getting bored with this.
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  He's just making it easy though. I think you don't even see him,
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  actually. Oh, you do?
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  I thought you didn't see him pick him off the board.
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  I thought you just be like someone handing it and build the
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  camera. That's the right one.
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  That's the right one. That's the stick it.
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  On But I hand it to the doctor, Brian Barry fear attempting to
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  rearrange the face of a Glaswegian brandishing a dagger.
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  Cameron, I'm going to take exception with something you
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  said earlier, you know, you said about this is sort of A1 trick
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  pony. Yeah, yeah, it kind of is true
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  that it does play the same trick over and over again, but the
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  doctor starts figuring out the rules.
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  So then when Jamie got shot, he went, well, come along, come
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  along. You know, we're going to play
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  these games. Let's get on with it.
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  It's more like the doctors just sat there in front of like, the
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  Unicorn are gone, you know, convincing Jamie.
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  And there's a way that it's not real, right?
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  And then you're going to take about another episode's worth of
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  it before the, you know, spoilers, Medusa pops into it.
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  And then it's now the doctor that seemingly convinced that
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  reduces real. And Zoe sat there going, no,
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  it's not real. It's not.
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  It's like going make up your fucking.
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  Mind. Well, yes.
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  And, you know, you get that really stupid bit where Zoe
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  goes, oh, my God, we better get out of here and break the light
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  beams at one point. And then when the fabulous
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  secrets, when the carcass appears and Zoe beats the shit
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  out of him and the Doctor's going, well, I've never heard of
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  him. Yeah, but you're the one who
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  told us what we've got to do. Like, Yeah, so people are
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  momentarily very stupid in order for the plot to make sense.
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  Exactly. It's just like the ending of
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  Ghostbusters as well. Go on.
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  You know how they on the ending of the first Ghostbusters movie
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  Like they they're encouraged to choose their destroyer and it's
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  it's Ray that slips up by imagining his childhood and the
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  Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. And that's the reason why the
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  destroyer from the old dimension takes the shape of Stay Puft.
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  Is that the greatest cinematic monster in history?
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  The state Puff Marshmallow Man It's.
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  One of the best ones because it's just totally like the power
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  of ordinary. It's like, you know?
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  Yeah, and they blast it, and then they're all covered in
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  marshmallow ice. Just.
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  Yep, Warriors, isn't it? Is it the only movie you've ever
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  seen Joe that has men covered in white stuff?
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  There's certainly not no. Great.
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  I've got a subsequent Cameron. OK, fair enough.
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  I think all this is quite atmospheric though.
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  The caves, you know, candlelit. It's it's, yeah.
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  Again, it's cheap, but they're doing what they can with cheap.
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  That's something you know about. Can you look?
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  Past that, you know, I actually. Oh, my Doctor Who you were
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  talking? About so when you were talking
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  earlier about like, you know, being a A1A1 trick pony, and I'm
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  sure it wouldn't have moved the plot along, but I can actually
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  imagine if you've got a, a, a horse, a Unicorn, whatever that
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  thing was charging towards you, you know, and you're trying to
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  convince two other people that it's not real, That's going to
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  be quite difficult to it's like saying don't think about the
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  thing and you think about the thing.
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  You can't do anything. But yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah, it's that whole thing of like, you know, don't think of
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  elephants. Yeah, no, that's all you can do.
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  It's like when you go on Grinder, right?
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  Yeah. And then you, you arrange to
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  meet up for a, for a hookup and you then you turn up at the
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  house, right? And it's like 11:00 at night or
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  something like that. And the person that you turn up
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  to is nothing like the phone. And you're willing, you're
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  willing for that person to not exist.
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  It just doesn't work at all. You know I.
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  Mean wait for every time that happens.
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  I have a different sort of horn coming towards you, but it's the
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  same sort of problem. I'll have to bow to you Superior
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  knowledge on that one, Joe, You take.
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  Your word for this one? I'm loving this Ant nest
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  tracking device they've got going on here.
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  Very. It's very aliens.
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  Oh, Frosty, yeah. In many ways, we have the same
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  mind, Andy. Indeed.
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  Here we go. Is this where Medusa comes in
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  now with the stop animation? To be fair, Yeah, to be fair, I
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  was quite thinking those stop animation snakes are really,
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  really good. They're pretty.
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  Yeah, sort of Ray Harryhausen, isn't it?
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  The only tragic part is they're not in a butcher's shop.
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  You're in that fucking butcher's shop.
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  Is it made you something made specially for there so they'd be
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  taking it from another source. So it does seem like quite so.
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  I've got to say I did enjoy this bit.
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  So when they were talking about the Minotaur.
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  Right, it's a minotaur. Yeah, and it's like there's
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  something about scary looking at the bones of it.
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  I remember like, like we read the the Minotaur story when
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  we're in primary school and finding it quite scary.
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  And like, so to be presented back with us just sounds like,
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  yeah, no, I'm acting. This is something I can get
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  behind, you know, lots more touching going on.
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  Really. Lots more touching going on,
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  right? Now very much touching.
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  Yes, rubber. Very much, very, very much
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  touching going on right now. What is?
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  Up torture. Right, yeah, is the shadow on
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  the wall is kind of scary and when it's in front of a.
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  Mix of it, yeah. But it's terrible, isn't it?
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  They just shouldn't have shot it, you know, Just have the
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  shadow. That's enough.
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  It's like a horror movie, you know, the second you reveal the
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  horror, it's sort of it's game. It's not as yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, they really should have done the sort of John Nathan
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  turn the fingers. Show as little of the monster as
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  possible if it's appalling. But imagine being like 8 years
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  old right in 1960. Wednesdayslee 676869.
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  Something this one, Yeah. Going to school the next day.
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  Did you watch Doctor Who last night?
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  My God. Toy soldiers.
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  The Medusa, the Minotaur. It's the best TV I've ever seen.
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  And then that's, as you're saying, it's all about context.
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  We were talking earlier on because of Tenterweb and
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  everything that goes on, you know, it is encapsulated with
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  that, that if you were looking at these episodes, they
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  mentioned the Master, you know, it would have fucking exploded.
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  You know, everyone's got a back story and a fan theory about
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  what's going on. You're like, and you just get
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  drowned in bullshit. But as you would look at this
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  and as you say, you get the Minotaur, just the shadow on the
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  wall. That's that's all you need.
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  That's scary enough. Is a big question.
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  Do we lose the sense of adventure nowadays then?
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  Because everything is like Arc Base, Everything is building up,
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  everything is trying to generate content all the time with hints
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  and whispers and things like that.
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  Whereas here they just told a story.
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  They just told a story full of excitement and scares and jokes
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  and none of that was relevant. I don't know.
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  I know I sound like an old fart, but I kind of prefer that
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  approach. No, but I, I, I think, and part
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  of this is part of my problem with the Russell C Davis 2.0
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  Ayla, is the fact that there's a concentration on small moments
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  because they want that, you know, everything's got to be
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  something for TikTok or it's got to be something for the
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  Instagram. Videos.
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  Or the YouTube shorts. It cannot be.
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  It's assumed that no one has the attention span anymore for like
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  the full story and to be actually told and not be
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  distracted somehow. It's running the assumption that
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  you know you're going to be sat there with the remote in one
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  hand, ready to flick in channels of your board and your mobile
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  phone one in the other, and the screen's just a background
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  noise, which I think is sad in many ways.
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  I. Agree with you, Cam, because
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  like I often and it's there's a little bit of self-awareness
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  here where like I often like. So when I watched this, so Katie
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  and I sat and watched them all on Saturday night, I purposely
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  turned my phone off on the table because it's like I knew what I
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  would do. It's like it's that and you
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  always get annoyed at yourself when you find yourself
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  gravitating back to the phone again when you and it's you're
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  annoyed with yourself because you're not immune to how the
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  world works now. But it's like, I've got bored
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  for two things. I mean, sorry to do the football
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  thing, but Lee, I was watching brief Rovers versus Dunfermline
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  on Friday night and there was a moment where it was a little bit
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  boring and before I knew, I missed 15 minutes of the game
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  because I was fucking about on Twitter.
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  You know, it's a bit like watching underworldly, those two
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  teams. Well, you make the comparison to
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  a Doctor Who story, so I understand.
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  I think if Reef Rovers against Dunfermline, what's thought what
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  Doctor Who story would that be? That's yeah, that's that's
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  pretty much like a nightmare if he didn't kind of see.
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  Oh, OK. So if you wouldn't, it wouldn't
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  matter if it didn't happen. Yeah, OK.
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  Nobody's going to mess up if it's not there and it's an
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  enjoyable watch, but no. Isn't.
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  It do you know what I'm lying to?
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  Round the point, sorry, just to round my point off there,
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  because I'd really like the way Cami positioned That is, it's
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  the fact that it is very that life makes it really difficult
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  to get immersed now. But as I think back then, it
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  would have been much, much easier to be immersed, to allow
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  yourself to be immersed, you almost have to fight against the
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  the background noise. And I don't like that that's the
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  case. So maybe that makes me a boring
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  old part, but yes. But the structure that this
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  series now is probably part of the problem was, well,
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  individual episodes that always have to build a big, massive end
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  of season finale. It's like the best example of
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  how to do it in a different way. Is Flux a sex?
• 18:48
  It's a serialized format, one story told over a month and a
• 18:51
  half like these. Yeah.
• 18:53
  Soon to be covered on the police box I believe.
• 18:56
  Yeah, I was not an intentional plug.
• 18:58
  Well. Done.
• 18:58
  No. But what?
• 19:00
  And I admire him for it, because I can't do it.
• 19:02
  My other half will literally come home, put his phone up in
• 19:06
  the bedroom and come downstairs and read and watch TV.
• 19:10
  And then he'll go on his phone at the end of the night and
• 19:12
  he'll cut himself off from the world completely.
• 19:15
  These are. People that we aspire to.
• 19:17
  So happy, he's so happy. I mean, it's kind of like you
• 19:22
  want to go back to the 90s, don't you?
• 19:23
  And like, he'll put a computer in the corner of A1 room and
• 19:26
  like only spend like an hour on it before your mum tell us your
• 19:29
  dinner's ready. Probably is.
• 19:30
  There's a little scratch in the back of my head.
• 19:32
  I'm like, God, maybe Andy sent me a flirty text.
• 19:38
  No, you're. Right.
• 19:38
  Irresistible. It's that formal, you know, it's
• 19:41
  like that formal feeling that you get.
• 19:43
  And then like I said, that's the thing that frustrates me where
• 19:45
  it's like, you know, you're not immune to it.
• 19:47
  You just, you said it's OK, this is a point you made about like
• 19:50
  everything being shortened to a TikTok.
• 19:53
  So whether it's at like 30 seconds, 4545 seconds, that kind
• 19:56
  of thing. And it's like I'm annoyed that.
• 20:00
  My attention span has been reduced to YouTube Shorts.
• 20:04
  And it's like, and it's like, I get annoyed.
• 20:06
  I'm not digesting worthwhile content.
• 20:09
  You know, I've got 10 minutes to kill.
• 20:11
  Why don't I watch something worthwhile?
• 20:12
  You find yourself fighting against that.
• 20:14
  So yeah, your other half putting the phone away and enjoying the
• 20:21
  moment. Bravo to them.
• 20:23
  He loves the TV watches. He loves the books he reads
• 20:26
  because he's totally immersed. Yeah.
• 20:28
  It's with this is, this is short in Harrison's Rocks, right where
• 20:32
  they shot Castro Velva Lee. Yeah.
• 20:34
  It's the same place. Is it?
• 20:35
  It's exactly the same place. And I'll tell you what, both
• 20:38
  here and in Castro Velva, they managed to make this look
• 20:41
  vertiginous. And I've been there, and it's
• 20:45
  tiny. So bravo to the directors of
• 20:48
  both. I just automatically assumed you
• 20:51
  couldn't have an old Doctor Who episode without without mucking
• 20:53
  about a quarry, right? That is.
• 20:56
  It's like, it's like quarry is a multitude of different things
• 21:00
  from an alien planet to clean them up, a fantasy landscape,
• 21:05
  you know, the whole lot. Yeah, covers a lot of bases.
• 21:09
  Oh God, at the risk of repeating is name again my mark Just.
• 21:14
  He loves his story but he loves Rapunzel so much.
• 21:17
  Every time she turns up it gets so excited.
• 21:20
  Well, I can understand why she was very endearing.
• 21:22
  It's like the way in which she she was so innocently like you
• 21:25
  could be my Prince if you wanted to.
• 21:27
  And I was like, oh, for God's sake, like seriously, run with
• 21:30
  us. Run with this plot line are.
• 21:34
  You, the son of a piper. Let him climb in your window.
• 21:38
  You know you want to. Actually are.
• 21:40
  You using the window here? No.
• 21:43
  No. Son of a hotel manager.
• 21:45
  Like I said, sort. Of an ironworker, precious
• 21:50
  little pipe and grown and camber and steelworks.
• 21:54
  Exactly. I do love it later where the
• 21:56
  doctor goes, Oh my God, Princess Rapunzel, can I borrow your hair
• 21:59
  please? She goes well, everyone else
• 22:01
  does, so I don't see why you shouldn't as well.
• 22:04
  Yeah. Agreeable.
• 22:07
  So great. Oh, look at these sets.
• 22:09
  Come on now. They're a bit bare, aren't they?
• 22:13
  This kind of goes against it a wee bit, I've got to say.
• 22:16
  I. Quite like his black polo neck
• 22:18
  jumper, you know. So do I and.
• 22:20
  It's a stylish book, aren't you? Yes.
• 22:23
  Polo, John Highlander. He's got it.
• 22:27
  Yeah, why should we? Don't we get a little quote from
• 22:28
  Little Women now in a second? You get an audio.
• 22:32
  Don't. You on the audio aliens on Yeah,
• 22:35
  there. You go.
• 22:36
  This is what you were talking about, about all the books on
• 22:39
  that, on the because that was Treasure Island.
• 22:42
  Yeah, yeah. It's just coming up and then you
• 22:44
  see. The like, see the little name
• 22:46
  cards behind them? They're just above the lights.
• 22:48
  I think that's what I was. Referring.
• 22:50
  Yeah. They're all the different feeds
• 22:51
  for different books, aren't they?
• 22:52
  Yeah. I mean, imagine this is updated
• 22:55
  now. They'd be like 50 Shades of Grey
• 22:57
  and all that kind of stuff. I think.
• 22:59
  He'd love a bit of that, wouldn't he?
• 23:01
  Vanity Fair, if this was being made now, right?
• 23:06
  Because this is fairly sort of 4/4 breaking a meta for the time
• 23:10
  now, it would be so fucking meta, wouldn't it?
• 23:12
  It would be winks out to the audience all the.
• 23:14
  Time, it would be like It would be like a load of Doctor Who
• 23:17
  fans would make up stories that went along when.
• 23:19
  They'd be going, wouldn't they? Oh my God, this is just like the
• 23:22
  invisible enemy. Oh my God, this is just like
• 23:24
  Genesis and a Daleks. And it would just be so on the
• 23:27
  nose. And this would be generates into
• 23:29
  David Turner. That's just slight, right?
• 23:32
  OK. Although the bit where the
• 23:34
  doctor's at the tire and he goes, ah, yes, I'm going to
• 23:36
  write some fiction of my own. The enemy was finally defeated
• 23:39
  by the Doctor. Oh no, I can't write that.
• 23:41
  Kind of, I don't know. Do you guys so here?
• 23:45
  Here I get to I get to ask all the questions here.
• 23:49
  So do you guys get the same excitement from Doctor Who now
• 23:54
  compared to before or has some of the the the veneer come off?
• 23:59
  So lately you said this is the you love these old episodes.
• 24:02
  Do you get as excited for new episodes in the same kind of
• 24:05
  way, or is it just, you know, you're obviously very loyal?
• 24:10
  Yeah, I still do. I still relish a new series
• 24:13
  coming around and just just for his broadcast get, you know,
• 24:17
  settled and ready to give him a full attention.
• 24:20
  Not a lot of the recent episodes really kind of live up to, you
• 24:24
  know, what's come before as Cameron will probably back me up
• 24:27
  on, but it's always kind of ups and downs with Doctor Who.
• 24:31
  So, you know, it's fine. It's I always do, yeah.
• 24:34
  Get excited. I always want to see new Doctor
• 24:36
  Who as it comes along. I'm not kind of staunch, only
• 24:38
  the classics, nothing new. I've got a great example as to
• 24:42
  why I can absolutely say I am as excited about Doctor Who now as
• 24:46
  I was when I was a kid. And that is this conversation
• 24:50
  we're having right now. Because when I was a kid, it was
• 24:52
  a solitary pursuit and I did it all on my own and I watched the
• 24:55
  whole lot on my own. Now I've got a podcast and I can
• 24:58
  share this with a wonderful group of friends, and then I can
• 25:01
  share that with an even bigger group of friends.
• 25:04
  And so it's just like a massive community watch of Doctor Who
• 25:08
  now, and that's just a wonderful way to enjoy it.
• 25:13
  I like that that's and that was that was the rationale behind my
• 25:16
  question There is, you know, not not necessarily our old bet or
• 25:20
  old episodes better than new episodes.
• 25:22
  Just what does it make you feel, you know, And if you still get
• 25:27
  that sort of excitement, enjoyment like so as you said,
• 25:31
  the world comes to an end. Your phone gets switched off.
• 25:33
  You've got your beard in front of you, your bag of crisps.
• 25:37
  You know, it's, it is your thing.
• 25:40
  Yeah. So yeah, if it still makes you
• 25:41
  feel like that, that's really, really important.
• 25:44
  At the risk of doing marketing for my own podcast, I mean,
• 25:47
  they're already listening to it, so I don't really need to do
• 25:49
  that. But I think that's why this
• 25:52
  thing caught on, because it's less an intellectual approach to
• 25:55
  Doctor Who. I mean, have you heard us
• 25:57
  tonight? It's more, it's more being down
• 26:00
  the mate, the pub with your mates, you know, and, and just
• 26:03
  having the best time talking about Doctor Who.
• 26:05
  And that's the best way to enjoy it, I think.
• 26:08
  It's like Daniel would honestly said in your thousands of
• 26:10
  episodes, it's like being around your mate's house talking about
• 26:13
  stuff. Yeah.
• 26:14
  And that's, yeah, that's exactly what this podcast is.
• 26:17
  Oh, we're being a. It's indulgent.
• 26:19
  Now chaps aren't. We really it's.
• 26:22
  It's it's it's one of those things.
• 26:25
  It's like Doctor in the episodes of Doctor at the minute.
• 26:27
  I wasn't a big fan of the shit you got were seasons, mainly
• 26:32
  because of rapid conclusion that I, as a mid 40 year old white
• 26:38
  guy, perhaps not the target audience for Doctor Who anymore.
• 26:42
  And that's OK. I don't resent the show for
• 26:45
  that. It it will move on without being
• 26:47
  it will be quite capable and fine.
• 26:49
  But there's always going to be like this stuff.
• 26:51
  There's always going to be the old series, there's always going
• 26:53
  to be Big Finish. There's always going to be comic
• 26:54
  books. There's always going to be video
• 26:55
  game stuff that I can engage with as a Doctor Who fan and
• 26:59
  still get that same kick out of Doctor Who that I did during the
• 27:03
  McCoy era, which is like my original run was McCoy.
• 27:08
  Also, as we've kind of, you know, mentioned.
• 27:10
  Same here. I mean, Doctor Who has, you
• 27:15
  know, just, it's just because of what you said, George, it's
• 27:17
  quite true. Same here with me.
• 27:18
  I was the only kid in my class at school that watched Doctor
• 27:23
  Who. I was the only kid in my class
• 27:24
  that read Marvel in DCI was the only kid that, you know, liked
• 27:29
  anime. And now it's like kind of going
• 27:31
  and all that stuff is like, you know, pretty mainstream now and
• 27:34
  there's loads of kids that you know, like all that, you know
• 27:36
  stuff, you know stuff now. But I, you know, Doctor Who is,
• 27:40
  you know, without wishing to get too much about it, Doctor Who is
• 27:43
  enabled me, you know, be on a podcast, which I really love
• 27:47
  doing with Lee and Dave all the time, and that's just incredible
• 27:52
  and fantastic. And it's also on a wider circle
• 27:55
  of it enabled me to meet other people that do other podcasts.
• 27:58
  It's part of the main reason why I'm really looking forward to
• 28:00
  this weekend at Hooverville, because I get to meet some of
• 28:03
  these people in real life for the first time and shake their
• 28:06
  hand and say hi. What's?
• 28:10
  Important from what you're saying there is, it would be so
• 28:13
  I can imagine. And again, I get to I, I almost
• 28:16
  feel like I'm doing some sort of leave through documentary where
• 28:20
  I'm coming in and looking at all of you guys and watching what?
• 28:23
  You're doing so interesting. You're asking questions that we
• 28:26
  don't ever think about. See, he's he's well worth the
• 28:30
  money. This is why I brought him on
• 28:32
  you. But so.
• 28:34
  So where is where I was going to go with that is like, I would
• 28:39
  guess that it would be so easy to become entrenched in your
• 28:43
  views. Like, so I hear everything
• 28:45
  you're saying and I think it's wonderful.
• 28:46
  The way you guys have described it.
• 28:47
  It's like I had to do all of this stuff that I really care
• 28:50
  about on my own. And then I found a bunch of
• 28:52
  people that like the same stuff as me and they are my friends.
• 28:54
  That's that's the message and. It's wonderful.
• 28:57
  But it would. But it would be so easy to go.
• 29:00
  Well, I've always been on my own with this.
• 29:02
  So you don't understand. You're not a fan.
• 29:05
  You didn't see it and be and be almost like take it from a kind
• 29:09
  of a better perspective. So from my side of things,
• 29:13
  getting invited into to these kind of podcasts, it's really
• 29:16
  nice that it's the former and you're not sitting here going,
• 29:19
  you know, he doesn't know fuck all about Doctor Who.
• 29:22
  Watch him flounder his way through it.
• 29:24
  It's like you get to go, I set my hand up, I've got all the
• 29:27
  questions, I've no idea what's happening or why, and it's an
• 29:31
  enabler for you guys to go. Just get to talk about the
• 29:34
  things that I care about. But you don't realize that Andy
• 29:38
  is the gift that keeps on giving because you're here and we're
• 29:44
  watching this through your eyes now and you've never seen this
• 29:47
  before. So we're seeing this and an
• 29:49
  entirely didn't we know all this stuff inside out and back to
• 29:51
  front and you're you're literally giving us a brand new
• 29:54
  perspective on this whole thing. So welcome to the I am
• 29:58
  available. That's what I'm saying.
• 30:00
  For parties and bar mitzvahs. Yes.
• 30:03
  And Ribbon as well, Yes. Do you know what?
• 30:08
  Oh, now the episode there.