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The Week That Was (29 January 2021) · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: Three sixties, the week that was the most listened to
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Speaker 1: hour in Territory radio.
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Speaker 2: The Territory Leaders breakdown this week's big issues and.
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Speaker 1: It is the first week that was for the year and.
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Speaker 3: Joining us live in the studio this morning. We've got
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Speaker 3: a full house. We've got the Deputy Opposition leader Jared Mayley.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.
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Speaker 3: Good morning to you. Kizier Puric, how are you, good morning.
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Speaker 3: I'm just making sure I've got your mic on the
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Speaker 3: member for Goider.
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Speaker 5: Good morning.
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Speaker 6: Forty one point seven meals at my place overnight. Woll
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Speaker 6: that's just under two inches in the old language.
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Speaker 3: It's been belting down, hasn't it. Matt Cunningham Sky News.
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Speaker 3: Has it been pouring in.
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Speaker 2: Nightcliff Ah, Yes, wilfy, very wet.
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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio.
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Speaker 3: We've also got the Minister for Territory, Families and Urban Housing,
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Speaker 3: Kate Warden, good morning.
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Speaker 7: Good morning, your honor, Oh worship, No, your worship, Telfy Moffee,
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Speaker 7: your worship else going to sun worship.
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Speaker 1: We don't use those kinds of graces in here.
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Speaker 3: You'll be referred to as your nicknames all throughout the morning.
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Speaker 3: Now let's get into it. I will just start with
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Speaker 3: some pretty terrible news this morning. In breaking news throughout
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Speaker 3: the morning, we now know that a body has been
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Speaker 3: discovered in a creek in Darwin's northern suburbs. The ABC's
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Speaker 3: reported that children made that discovery in a creek between
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Speaker 3: Royal Day and Hospital and another park, Garamanach Park. I
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Speaker 3: believe it's called at around six o'clock last night. A
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Speaker 3: crime scene has been established and investigations are continuing. There's
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Speaker 3: not a huge amount more that we can say at
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Speaker 3: this point, but certainly some fairly bad news to start
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Speaker 3: the morning.
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Speaker 1: Now, I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 3: The first week back here at work has really been
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Speaker 3: an interesting one.
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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 3: I said to the Chief Minister on Wednesday when I
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Speaker 3: spoke with him for his first interview that over the
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Speaker 3: Christmas break, I was surprised by the amount of emails
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Speaker 3: and messages I received over that period about crime, and
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Speaker 3: it seems I'm not the only one. More than four
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Speaker 3: thousand territory have now signed a petition for change when
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Speaker 3: it comes to youth crime. On that petition, it says
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Speaker 3: for too long now we in the NT have had
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Speaker 3: to endure a government they say that appears complicit in
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Speaker 3: placing the rights of criminals before that of victims. The
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Speaker 3: petition on change dot org says that our community elders
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Speaker 3: have spoken up, offered assistance, and been silenced or ignored
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Speaker 3: by the public servants that they voted in to represent them.
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Speaker 3: The spin doctors in Parliament have been all talk and
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Speaker 3: no action and have consistently weakened the powers that police
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Speaker 3: and families and the courts possessed. Now I understand that
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Speaker 3: the Chief Minister is actually in Alice Springs today. I
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Speaker 3: know that two opposition members of one independent I believe,
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Speaker 3: are calling on the Chief Minister to meet with community
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Speaker 3: members to hear exactly what they need to say. I
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Speaker 3: think we've sort of passed that point of a real
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Speaker 3: political slanging match with this one. I think that at
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Speaker 3: the moment, we've got a community that you know, we've
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Speaker 3: got four thousand Territorians that have already signed that petition.
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Speaker 3: This is the first time I've ever mentioned it on air.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's had much media attraction at all.
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Speaker 3: I know Channel nine ran it last night, But to me,
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Speaker 3: what it shows is that people just want to make
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Speaker 3: sure that their voices are being heard here. They do
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Speaker 3: want to see some change in this space. I don't
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Speaker 3: have the answers, but I think we as a community
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Speaker 3: need to come together to try and make sure that
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Speaker 3: we can get some.
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Speaker 8: Katie, this show's real a lack of leadership while the
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Speaker 8: Labor government, Territorians have been forced to take matters into
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Speaker 8: their own hands. Territorians don't feel safe right across the territory.
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Speaker 8: It doesn't matter that Alice Springs, TANet Creek, Catherine Palmerson
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Speaker 8: or in Darwin. Crime is out of control and Labor
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Speaker 8: have nothing to fix it. Labor have been in power
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Speaker 8: for four years, maybe even seventeen years are the last
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Speaker 8: twenty years, and crime is it is worse. Ever, there's
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Speaker 8: no leadership, and unfortunately Territorians have to take matters in
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Speaker 8: their own hands and do this to so the territory
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Speaker 8: covernment listen to what they have to say.
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Speaker 7: Look, I just think once again, it's just that platitude
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Speaker 7: we keep saying crimes out of control.
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Speaker 5: You're not. You don't take the moment to actually look
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Speaker 5: at the statistics.
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Speaker 4: And you're in government.
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Speaker 7: If you'd like me to finish, you've had your say.
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Speaker 7: But Essentially, I've seen the statistics recently and I'm not
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Speaker 7: taking away from that petition Katie, but the last petition
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Speaker 7: we saw that the CLP board into Parliament actually had
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Speaker 7: sixty percent of those people on that petition weren't even
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Speaker 7: in the Northern territory.
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Speaker 1: This one I've actually had to look through. There are
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Speaker 1: a lot of the names on there are long term
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Speaker 1: territory ands.
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Speaker 5: So not taking away from kai.
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Speaker 7: We did crime in itself to show one crime to
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Speaker 7: one crime is one crime too many, But there is
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Speaker 7: no silver bullet.
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Speaker 5: People have to understand that.
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Speaker 7: And I think the general conversations with people that I have,
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Speaker 7: which are informed conversations with people in my electorate that
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Speaker 7: you know.
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Speaker 5: These things are happening.
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Speaker 7: There's a lot of people in Darwin, there's a lot
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Speaker 7: of people in Alice Springs at the moment with the
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Speaker 7: extra job seeker money. We know that the wet seasons
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Speaker 7: driven people into town. We've got a lot of people
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Speaker 7: around that are looking, you know and taking advantage of,
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Speaker 7: you know, people that perhaps haven't a lot of the
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Speaker 7: people that I'm talking to, it's opportunity tunistic crime. So
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Speaker 7: there's a lot of messaging around that. But Katie, can
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Speaker 7: I make this point that years ago before we had Facebook,
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Speaker 7: and we're also connected, and I think Facebook's a great thing.
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Speaker 7: Those sorts of social media channels are a great thing.
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Speaker 7: We're really connected as people. But what happens is you
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Speaker 7: used to drive out the driveway and you might see
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Speaker 7: a police down the road at your neighbor's house and think, oh, well,
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Speaker 7: I wonder what happened.
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Speaker 5: There, And if you know you Nabi, you might have
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Speaker 5: a chat a week later and they go, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 5: I got broken into. That's what you hear about.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I'm not hearing it all Facebook.
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Speaker 3: I'm hearing it from real people here were I Actually
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Speaker 3: I'm hearing it from real people. And twenty five break
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Speaker 3: ins in Alice springs over I think it was over
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Speaker 3: the weekend.
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Speaker 1: To me, that statistic is bad enough.
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Speaker 7: That it speaks for its sat Katie, good for you
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Speaker 7: because you're a real advocate in the space and in
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Speaker 7: the past people didn't do this, So in the past
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Speaker 7: we wouldn't have talked about it. But we are talking
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Speaker 7: about it and what's happening. I'm seeing a lot of
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Speaker 7: really good messaging around. You know, make sure you're locking up.
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Speaker 7: There's a group of people out you see that sort
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Speaker 7: of stuff happening. But at the same time, we've got
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Speaker 7: to be really careful because I'll tell you if I
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Speaker 7: was a fifteen year.
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Speaker 5: Old Aboriginal kid in Darwin right now.
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Speaker 7: All Alice Springs and I've heard it out of young
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Speaker 7: people and Alice Springs, they're saying, why do people think
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Speaker 7: that we're all bad? We've got to be really careful
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Speaker 7: and balanced in our view. We do have to look
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Speaker 7: at the statistics, Katie, and yes, there was a big
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Speaker 7: spike in other Springs, but I can tell you, and
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Speaker 7: this is a really interesting statistic for you, that spike
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Speaker 7: was in one area and it was overnight on the Sunday.
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Speaker 5: Through that week before.
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Speaker 7: We had two hundred and seventy kids through our Alice
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Speaker 7: Springs Hub.
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Speaker 5: Six kids were responsible for that crime.
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Speaker 9: Spike, Kate.
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Speaker 1: So just most respect, I'm going to call bullshit. Oh well, Katie,
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Speaker 1: I can stistic garbage. I think that you guys need
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Speaker 1: to get your heads out of the sand. And honestly
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Speaker 1: I mean it with the most respect that I can
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Speaker 1: possibly say it. But you guys need to start listening.
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Speaker 3: They've got you got start listening to what people are
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Speaker 3: saying right now.
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Speaker 6: If I can just jump in, you always have to
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Speaker 6: look behind facts and statistics, all right.
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Speaker 9: So that's the first thing.
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Speaker 6: The second thing is, yes, it's more highly visual because
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Speaker 6: we've got social media and things of that, nage and
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Speaker 6: telephones to take videos and send them onwards. But there's
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Speaker 6: no getting away from what you do see on the ground.
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Speaker 6: Like the Jason Hannah with his restaurant in Cavanish Street.
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Speaker 6: He gets broken into like every second minute.
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Speaker 9: The poor bastard. I don't know what he did in
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Speaker 9: a previous life, but he's upset someone.
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Speaker 1: But he's a good thing.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's never one single thing to tackle
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Speaker 6: a problem. But the fact is that a lot of
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Speaker 6: these young people are on the streets because they don't
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Speaker 6: want to be at home, and they don't want to
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Speaker 6: be at home because they'll be abused, you.
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Speaker 9: Know, physically, sexually. But the facts aren't there.
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Speaker 6: There's been a lot of damage done, a lot of
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Speaker 6: people hurt, stolen cars, run away, hit a man, kill him,
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Speaker 6: you know, for example. And we've just seen what tragically
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Speaker 6: has happened in Queensland with young people stealing cars. You know,
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Speaker 6: they kill people. Now, thankfully we've only had no issues
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Speaker 6: in territory that way, but the four family and other
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Speaker 6: springs that lost their lot. But there is also a
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Speaker 6: lot of crime that probably doesn't get reported as much,
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Speaker 6: or attempted breakings. Yeah, you know, like we only saw
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Speaker 6: we have problems in the rural area. Jared knows, particularly
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Speaker 6: people trying to case things. But what's happening and what
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Speaker 6: people know now is the young person commits a crime,
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Speaker 6: appears before a court, gets put out on bail. Now
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Speaker 6: I think there were some facts the other day I
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Speaker 6: saw about the number of young people committing another crime
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Speaker 6: on bail. Yeah, now I know amendments to the Bail Act,
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Speaker 6: which I was supported, I think with cop or Lee
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Speaker 6: brought up last term. That is one one plank to
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Speaker 6: the sort of the raft of planks that have to
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Speaker 6: be put into place to stop this crime. And it
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Speaker 6: is giving us a bad name out in the community.
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Speaker 6: And it is I'm going to have mates into state.
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Speaker 6: We all have mates into state and they pick up
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Speaker 6: on it. So we're not going to be that destination.
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Speaker 3: Not just I want to actually image look at so
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Speaker 3: in Queensland, after this tragic incident happened earlier in the week,
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Speaker 3: allegedly a seventeen year old behind.
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Speaker 1: The wheel of a stolen vehicle.
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Speaker 3: Anastasia Palichets come out the next morning and said we
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Speaker 3: will look at if we need to strengthen our bail laws,
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Speaker 3: if we need to do things differently, we're going to
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Speaker 3: do it now.
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Speaker 1: She's come out pretty strong. You'd have to say straight.
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Speaker 3: Away that next day to a community that's pretty broken.
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Speaker 3: The thing that was brought up with us yesterday by
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Speaker 3: Robin Lamley is she'd said after tragically that life was
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Speaker 3: lost in Alice Springs. We did not hear the same
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Speaker 3: thing from Chief Minister Michael Gunner. She's saying that we
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Speaker 3: do need to change the bail laws, that there does
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Speaker 3: need to be a look at them. I mean, I
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Speaker 3: know that we're not going to have a commitment this morning,
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Speaker 3: Kate from the government to change the bail laws. The
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Speaker 3: Chief Minister said earlier in the week that he wouldn't
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Speaker 3: change them, but is it time for us to actually
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Speaker 3: maybe have a look. The biggest issue I've got at
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Speaker 3: the moment when we talk about crime and we talk
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Speaker 3: about youth crime is In twenty seventeen, the Chief Minister
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Speaker 3: announced eighteen million dollars per annum would be spent in
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Speaker 3: this space. What benchmarks are we using to actually work
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Speaker 3: out if the programs which are being delivered, if the
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Speaker 3: positions which have been created, if we're actually seeing some
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Speaker 3: positive impacts from that taxpayer dollars being spent in that space.
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Speaker 7: In that space, it's a really valid question to ask, Katie,
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Speaker 7: and it's important that we are looking at and evaluating.
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Speaker 7: So we are only one year down from having in
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Speaker 7: place all the back on Track initiatives, and I've met
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Speaker 7: with all those stakeholders just over a week ago, a
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Speaker 7: whole heap of back on track providers who are really
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Speaker 7: seeing some really good turnarounds. So the measure of that
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Speaker 7: of how a young person doesn't then re engage is
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Speaker 7: an important measure and we will be collecting that as
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Speaker 7: we go. But I mean, we have seen a massive
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Speaker 7: jump in the amount of kids that actually don't reoffend.
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Speaker 7: So we've gone from around fifty to well over seventy
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Speaker 7: percent of those kids. So if you go into bail
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Speaker 7: accommodation or you get bail support, now the chances of
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Speaker 7: a kid actually succeeding.
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Speaker 5: On bail not reoffending have gone right up.
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Speaker 7: So yes, that is important and its statistics are important
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Speaker 7: in that space, and we are seeing improvements in that
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Speaker 7: space around bail. But what I can say is bail
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Speaker 7: is given by police, and it can be given by
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Speaker 7: police before they even go to court, and it actually
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Speaker 7: is also then given by the courts. It's not given
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Speaker 7: by the youth justice system. And bail applies equally to
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Speaker 7: young people as well as older people. So I think
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Speaker 7: today we have to be really careful when we're talking
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Speaker 7: about crime that we're not just saying all crime is
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Speaker 7: done by young people either, because often when that has
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Speaker 7: been said, we find that it's an adult that's been
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Speaker 7: has done that. I know certainly in and around Marara
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Speaker 7: we've had a spike there. They're not necessarily young people
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Speaker 7: that are are doing that sort of activity. So it's
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Speaker 7: really we have to be careful that we don't just
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Speaker 7: talk about crime about young people, and we have to
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Speaker 7: be very careful about the successful measures.
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Speaker 5: And we are literally a year in on the back
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Speaker 5: on track.
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Speaker 9: We need to make sure.
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Speaker 3: Are we so worried about whether we're going to offend
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Speaker 3: somebody who's broken the law, Why don't.
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Speaker 4: We're worried about the victim? Think about the victims here?
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Speaker 4: It's not about the offender.
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Speaker 8: The offenders have done a crime and in our estimate
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Speaker 8: questions we ask the government and they come back over
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Speaker 8: fifty percent of years offend while they're on bail. So
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Speaker 8: it shows that the bail laws need to be strengthened.
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Speaker 8: And I know mister Gunner come on the radio and
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Speaker 8: said it's not an issue. Well, he's not listening to
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Speaker 8: the community. It is an issue and it needs to
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Speaker 8: be dealt with and needs to be dealt with now.
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Speaker 7: But Jared, if those kids reoffend on bail, they can
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Speaker 7: be taken up and be put back before the court.
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Speaker 4: What we change change the law?
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Speaker 7: No, you are misinterpreting the law and you've done it
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Speaker 7: consistently for months now.
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Speaker 1: Can teach us? Can us very please?
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Speaker 9: Can still do it?
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Speaker 1: What is so if somebody is arrested, so.
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Speaker 3: If like if there is there the presumption or are
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Speaker 3: you automatically give them bail or are you It depends.
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Speaker 5: On that you've actually.
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Speaker 9: Commissions.
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Speaker 5: Commission that's the word, Katie. So if you've.
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Speaker 10: Changed, is that the presumption is in favor of bail
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Speaker 10: now rather than again.
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Speaker 2: That's the change that's been made.
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Speaker 10: But I think what we forget and what you need
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Speaker 10: to remember is why these changes came about. They came
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Speaker 10: about from a Royal Commission that Adam Giles called for
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Speaker 10: and Malcolm Turnbull implemented.
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Speaker 5: Correct, right.
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Speaker 10: So I mean it's well and good for the opposition
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Speaker 10: to be critical of the government, and you know the
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Speaker 10: governments in power they have been for five years.
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Speaker 2: It's their problem to fix.
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Speaker 10: But if you want to look at how we got
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Speaker 10: into this position in the first place, well that is
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Speaker 10: where you have to go back to. So the government's
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Speaker 10: implementing the recommendations of a Royal Commission. Now do people
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Speaker 10: want to come out and say, we don't agree with
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Speaker 10: the Royal Commission, We want to throw the Royal Commission
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Speaker 10: out the window, and we don't want to look at
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Speaker 10: any of.
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Speaker 3: Their recommendation custom fit to what suits to talk about.
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Speaker 10: The minute you custom fit it will figure right. So
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Speaker 10: you go, oh, we're going to custom fit the recommendations
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Speaker 10: of the Royal Commission. All the people who are on
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Speaker 10: the Royal Commission bandwagon, the minute you don't do exactly
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Speaker 10: what the Royal.
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Speaker 2: Commission says, they're up in arms.
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Speaker 10: They've got a change dot or petition going on and
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Speaker 10: they're calling you the devil because you're not doing this.
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Speaker 5: So you're not doing that.
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Speaker 10: They will lift the age of criminal responsibility as well.
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Speaker 10: That's going to be the government has said, the.
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Speaker 7: Royal Commission says twelve, and internationally we're being told it
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Speaker 7: needs to be fourteen.
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Speaker 5: Can I be really clear here, Katie.
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Speaker 7: The colp have been running the rhetoric that we've taken
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Speaker 7: the power away from police to arrest kids that have
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Speaker 7: breached their bow.
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Speaker 5: That is not true.
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Speaker 7: The police can re arrest kids, they can put them
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Speaker 7: before the court and they can be then charged and
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Speaker 7: they can actually face court on the matter that they
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Speaker 7: originally are charged for. The problem with before is that
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Speaker 7: these kids would breach their bow. They'd go before the
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Speaker 7: court on the bail breach, not on the offence. Now
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Speaker 7: the bail breach might be less, so these kids will
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Speaker 7: get be bailed and then they'll breach that again to
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Speaker 7: be back. So it's layer upon layer of power and
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Speaker 7: layer of bail, bail, bail, bail before the court. Police
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Speaker 7: said cut it away, let's work together so that we
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Speaker 7: can actually prosecute these kids early on the original offense.
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Speaker 7: Some of them are quite serious and so what happened
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Speaker 7: is we did that, and so what it is now
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Speaker 7: the police still have the choice, Jarah, don't keep running
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Speaker 7: that line because it's an absolute lie to actually charge
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Speaker 7: those keys.
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Speaker 8: In fact, we do know now the laws aren't working.
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Speaker 8: The laws aren't working. Crime is spiking right across the territory.
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Speaker 8: And you go and try and tell that to these
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Speaker 8: victims who are sitting in there to get the house
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Speaker 8: is broaken into. They feel invaded. They're going through their
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Speaker 8: personal drawers, they're taking their their jewelry.
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Speaker 4: You go tell that to those people. They're the people
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Speaker 4: who are hurt. What we know now is the law
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Speaker 4: is not working. It needs to be fixed, all right.
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Speaker 3: So when we got on air this morning, there was
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Speaker 3: four thousand and ninety people had signed the petition. Since
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Speaker 3: we've spoken about this, there's four thousand, four hundred and
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Speaker 3: thirty five people who have signed that position petition.
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Speaker 1: I suspect that.
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Speaker 3: Number is going to continue to grow up, go up,
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Speaker 3: I should say, not grow up. I think the biggest,
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Speaker 3: like the one thing that I'm really wondering at the moment,
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Speaker 3: because it keeps coming through from our listeners, is Kate.
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Speaker 3: From the government's perspective, is there anything that you are
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Speaker 3: prepared to change or look at or maybe do differently
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Speaker 3: to try and sort this issue out.
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Speaker 5: So we are doing a number of other things, Katie.
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Speaker 7: At the moment, I've got my agency working on family
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Speaker 7: responsibility agreements, which are already legislated for, but they weren't
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Speaker 7: done because the courts actually were really reluctant to I
16:27
Speaker 7: think it's quite punitive and its nature that if you
16:29
Speaker 7: don't look after your kid, you know, you might have
16:31
Speaker 7: your TV. And so those orders taken away, those orders
16:34
Speaker 7: were never done by courts.
16:35
Speaker 5: They said, you.
16:36
Speaker 7: Can't keep you know, being punitive with people that have
16:38
Speaker 7: got nothing, because generally you're talking about families that are
16:41
Speaker 7: in a pretty bad state anyway, impoverished, I would use
16:44
Speaker 7: that word. So essentially that was broken and it's not working.
16:48
Speaker 7: So the whole baby was thrown out with the bathwater.
16:50
Speaker 7: We're bringing back those family responsibility agreements. We've got support
16:53
Speaker 7: workers with the families to try and get them back
16:55
Speaker 7: on track now if they don't. The whole idea at
16:58
Speaker 7: the moment is if we don't achieve that agreement, we
17:01
Speaker 7: then will go to on order, but that order will
17:03
Speaker 7: be around.
17:05
Speaker 5: You know, you must be on the band drinkers register.
17:07
Speaker 7: You must go to AA or whatever it is, whatever
17:10
Speaker 7: the issues are in the house, you mustn't commit domestic violence.
17:14
Speaker 7: And if they breach that order, I think the ultimate thing,
17:16
Speaker 7: it's not punitive. We've got to say that that's naw
17:18
Speaker 7: child neglect and we've got to remove that kid.
17:21
Speaker 5: And we've got to be brave about that.
17:22
Speaker 7: So if a child is not going to school, which
17:24
Speaker 7: is the you know, you're robbing your kid of your future.
17:27
Speaker 5: And that's one of the earliest indicators.
17:29
Speaker 7: There has not been a young juvenile offender that I
17:32
Speaker 7: have seen that at first thing that they do.
17:35
Speaker 5: Is stop attending school.
17:36
Speaker 7: We've got to look at that flag and we've got
17:38
Speaker 7: to go what are we doing and intensive support here?
17:41
Speaker 7: What sort of family atmosphere is driving this kid out
17:43
Speaker 7: onto the streets at nighttime? And how can we fix that?
17:46
Speaker 7: And we're doing that and that's not easy and it
17:48
Speaker 7: won't happen overnight, but family responsibily Agreement's Cadie. I'm happy
17:51
Speaker 7: to come and talk to at another time more extensively
17:54
Speaker 7: on your show about them. But that's the work that
17:56
Speaker 7: we're doing. We're doing a ring leader of legislation that's
17:59
Speaker 7: come through. We're looking at redjusting the property offenses, and
18:02
Speaker 7: that ring leader will stop adults who are procuring young
18:06
Speaker 7: children and getting them to commit that crime because they
18:08
Speaker 7: know that they won't get penalized as hard as they would.
18:11
Speaker 5: So we're doing a range of stuff in that space.
18:13
Speaker 5: Happy to come and talk to you all that.
18:14
Speaker 10: I think I agree with what Kate's saying there, and
18:17
Speaker 10: I really hope, I really hope that she follows through
18:20
Speaker 10: on what she's talking about, because I don't think it's
18:23
Speaker 10: happened in the past, and I think the reason often
18:26
Speaker 10: we end up in the situation where you have thirteen, fourteen,
18:30
Speaker 10: and fifteen year old kids running around committing crimes is
18:33
Speaker 10: that because when they were three, four, five, and six,
18:36
Speaker 10: they were left in environments where they should never have
18:39
Speaker 10: been left, and we've been reluctant to act on that.
18:42
Speaker 10: We've been reluctant to do anything about that, potentially for
18:45
Speaker 10: good reasons, because we know I don't want to be
18:47
Speaker 10: seen to be taking children away from their parents. But
18:50
Speaker 10: I think Kate's right if those kids are in a
18:52
Speaker 10: situation where they're not being properly looked after, where they're
18:55
Speaker 10: not going to school.
18:56
Speaker 2: And I've seen it.
18:57
Speaker 10: I've sat in so many coronial inquiries here in dark
19:00
Speaker 10: where you get to the endpoint, which is a tragedy.
19:02
Speaker 10: And it's because the intervention wasn't taken. I said in
19:05
Speaker 10: the Youth Court when media was still allowed in there,
19:08
Speaker 10: when a twelve year old kid who'd attacked his girlfriend
19:10
Speaker 10: with a machete and he hadn't been to school for
19:12
Speaker 10: three years, and how is it possible that the kid
19:16
Speaker 10: has not been to school for three years? The recent
19:18
Speaker 10: inquest into the suicides of those three girls who'd been
19:23
Speaker 10: suffered horrific abuse hadn't been to school for years.
19:25
Speaker 2: It's the same situation.
19:27
Speaker 3: And I think we you know, you're right, we need
19:29
Speaker 3: to try and sort this out.
19:31
Speaker 1: We need to try and you know, we need.
19:33
Speaker 3: Every child deserves opportunity in life, a safe hold and
19:37
Speaker 3: safe home, education, education, and you know we need to
19:41
Speaker 3: try and be giving that to every territory child. But
19:44
Speaker 3: we also need to make sure that right now, if
19:47
Speaker 3: we've got homes being broken into and kids that are
19:50
Speaker 3: committing offenses time and time again, that they punished and
19:54
Speaker 3: that they do that we try our best to rehabilitate
19:57
Speaker 3: them so they don't continue.
19:58
Speaker 7: To assure you and all your listeners. That is exactly
20:02
Speaker 7: what's happening. I see a daily tally about the kids
20:04
Speaker 7: that are going in and out of don Dale and
20:06
Speaker 7: the alisp Reshoots Attention Center. Those kids are being picked
20:09
Speaker 7: up and they are going into education programs, they are
20:11
Speaker 7: going into the back on Track programs, They're going out
20:14
Speaker 7: to camps. Once this rain easies up, we might be
20:17
Speaker 7: able to get some of our top end camps running.
20:19
Speaker 7: We're still working on a new camp in the Barkley region,
20:23
Speaker 7: what they're calling the Barkley Work Camp.
20:25
Speaker 5: There's a whole range of things that we've got going.
20:27
Speaker 7: We're investing more than any probably triple probably what the
20:31
Speaker 7: previous governor invested in here, and we are still following.
20:35
Speaker 3: I still reckon Cate this need to have a look
20:38
Speaker 3: at these bail laws. Hey, I reckon, you need to
20:40
Speaker 3: have a closer look at it. I think in Queensland
20:42
Speaker 3: they have and I think that.
20:44
Speaker 1: We're looking at it.
20:45
Speaker 8: Probably resource the bio conditions when you get a court
20:48
Speaker 8: give bail. Remember they can any conditionally want on their bail,
20:51
Speaker 8: but they can't go and resource it, probably because there's
20:53
Speaker 8: no one out there to go into these support homes.
20:55
Speaker 8: Because labour's got to sell into an eight point four
20:57
Speaker 8: billion dollar debt. We simply don't have the money to
20:59
Speaker 8: resource these people properly. So it's good to put them
21:02
Speaker 8: on bail, but then you need to be able to
21:03
Speaker 8: resource it and that these people have support.
21:05
Speaker 4: Your NGO sector need to make with you to.
21:08
Speaker 8: Make sure these people are looked after, because remember what
21:12
Speaker 8: happens when these people are already in care and they
21:14
Speaker 8: committed offense.
21:15
Speaker 4: So is this agreement going to be with the CEO?
21:17
Speaker 7: I think you're told you asked that question at estimates, Jared,
21:20
Speaker 7: and now you're raising it again exactly.
21:23
Speaker 5: Do you remember what that percentage of getting care it is?
21:25
Speaker 5: Because do you remember what the percentage was?
21:28
Speaker 4: Do you remember committed prime again?
21:31
Speaker 5: Because you want to.
21:32
Speaker 7: Get because kids in care last year and I'm happy
21:35
Speaker 7: to say it on air Care Katie, that committed.
21:38
Speaker 5: An offense was two percent. So that's absolute rubbish.
21:42
Speaker 7: Once our kids are in care, they're well taken care of,
21:44
Speaker 7: our care, as are well resources resource. NGO sector actually
21:48
Speaker 7: said to me in a meeting just recently, we're grateful
21:51
Speaker 7: for the funding and we can do more.
21:52
Speaker 5: So we're working with them on that.
21:54
Speaker 1: You do more don't have to take it.
21:57
Speaker 3: Very problem three sixties the week it was got Jered Maylee,
22:01
Speaker 3: keyesy At Puick, Matt Cunningham and Kate Warden in the
22:04
Speaker 3: studio with me this morning. Now, let's talk about park fees.
22:07
Speaker 3: We know that territorians and visitors are apparently going to
22:10
Speaker 3: have to start paying fees to do multi day hikes
22:14
Speaker 3: in Northern Territory National parks from midyear. The Minister for
22:17
Speaker 3: Parks and Rangers, Selena Rubo, told the ABC yesterday that
22:20
Speaker 3: the government hasn't decided how much the fees for hiking
22:23
Speaker 3: and camping are going to be, but they will be
22:27
Speaker 3: applying to both locals and visitors from July one. Now
22:30
Speaker 3: I've got to say I don't have a huge issue
22:32
Speaker 3: with this happening. I actually think that obviously it costs
22:35
Speaker 3: money to maintain our parks, especially those walk the paths
22:39
Speaker 3: and things like that. But the thing I do have
22:41
Speaker 3: a bit of an issue with is we've spoken to
22:43
Speaker 3: different tourism operators and also you know, representative groups for
22:49
Speaker 3: them who haven't been consulted with, and I just wonder
22:52
Speaker 3: about the timing. I know that it's still sort of
22:55
Speaker 3: there's still things.
22:55
Speaker 1: To work through. But timing wise, you know, we're in
22:57
Speaker 1: a year of co is it really the best time,
23:01
Speaker 1: you know to be introducing fees?
23:03
Speaker 10: Timing wise, we've got an eleven billion dollar projected debt
23:07
Speaker 10: and I think this is like I don't have a
23:08
Speaker 10: problem with the park fees, to be honest, and I
23:10
Speaker 10: think territory as there should be sort of one fee
23:13
Speaker 10: that you pay, maybe it's forty or fifty bucks a year,
23:15
Speaker 10: and that gives you access for twelve months, which is
23:17
Speaker 10: what they do in Western Australia. But at some point
23:21
Speaker 10: in this place, we're going to have to get our
23:22
Speaker 10: head around the fact that the free ride is over,
23:25
Speaker 10: because you know, we've almost like we've got it pretty
23:28
Speaker 10: good up here, but we can't whack the government every
23:31
Speaker 10: second day about the size of the debt and then
23:33
Speaker 10: whack them again the other way every time they try
23:36
Speaker 10: and introduce something to address that. You know, like we
23:38
Speaker 10: get a lot of things for free up here. You
23:39
Speaker 10: can go to a free water park with free water slides.
23:42
Speaker 10: I went when I was in Cans to a very
23:44
Speaker 10: similar place to the park when I was in Cans
23:47
Speaker 10: and it cost us ninety.
23:48
Speaker 2: Bucks for the family to get in. You know, you
23:51
Speaker 2: can get it every day for free.
23:54
Speaker 10: And it's the same thing with the parks, Like I
23:56
Speaker 10: wouldn't care about paying forty or fifty bucks a year
23:59
Speaker 10: if it meant when you go to Lichfield Park, your
24:01
Speaker 10: rubbish is collected and everything is in good nature.
24:05
Speaker 2: And at some point, I reckon this is going to.
24:07
Speaker 10: Have to happen in a lot of areas if we
24:10
Speaker 10: want to address that debt. Otherwise what happens We just let.
24:12
Speaker 2: It go and go and go until we reach a
24:14
Speaker 2: tipping point.
24:15
Speaker 9: And you know, but I mean separate to what Matt's saying.
24:19
Speaker 6: What I find interesting is that they came out with
24:22
Speaker 6: the announcement or someone did, and now there's a bit
24:25
Speaker 6: of backpeddling.
24:25
Speaker 9: Oh, we haven't consulted with people. Oh we might have
24:27
Speaker 9: to change the name of the new things. Oh well,
24:30
Speaker 9: these fees will.
24:30
Speaker 6: Be in for camping, but they won't be in for
24:32
Speaker 6: day visits and international overseas visitors or interstate but not
24:36
Speaker 6: your locals. So I think it's being presumptuous in coming
24:40
Speaker 6: out with the announcement when they haven't even got all
24:42
Speaker 6: the details sorted out, like who's what, where and when.
24:45
Speaker 7: This is a classic example we damned if we do,
24:47
Speaker 7: and we're damned if we don't. So we let people
24:49
Speaker 7: know early because people then complain if it's rung on
24:52
Speaker 7: them at.
24:52
Speaker 9: The last minute.
24:53
Speaker 5: So well, we do have lots of information.
24:55
Speaker 7: You already know that you wouldn't if you're just going
24:57
Speaker 7: on a day trip, you wouldn't actually be charged and
24:59
Speaker 7: you're a The issue here is that it matter's on
25:02
Speaker 7: the money. It is about It is about being able
25:05
Speaker 7: to reinvestment. We had to do a huge amount of
25:07
Speaker 7: catch up under turbo charging tourism, and Lichfield got you know,
25:11
Speaker 7: millions of dollars as an example, spent on it.
25:14
Speaker 5: These parks. You know, we have taken them for granted
25:17
Speaker 5: for a long time. There's nowhere you.
25:18
Speaker 7: Would go in the world that you would go to
25:20
Speaker 7: places like Kakadu on Lichfield and it would be for free.
25:23
Speaker 7: So what we're saying is we're giving people six months
25:25
Speaker 7: notice that in July there would be possibility that will
25:30
Speaker 7: bring in some fees. If we didn't tell you now
25:32
Speaker 7: and we just told you in July, everybody would be
25:33
Speaker 7: screaming about that. Then we can have the conversation till July,
25:36
Speaker 7: and all the money that comes through this will be
25:38
Speaker 7: reinvested in our parks so we get a better product.
25:41
Speaker 1: I actually don't think you're damned if you do when
25:42
Speaker 1: you're damned if you die.
25:43
Speaker 3: I actually think a lot of people are probably okay
25:45
Speaker 3: with this, but the way that it's been communicated has
25:47
Speaker 3: actually been pretty poor. It's been like, but then you know,
25:54
Speaker 3: there's still so many questions that sort of have remained unanswered.
25:57
Speaker 3: And I heard the ministry yesterday on the ABC and
26:00
Speaker 3: there was like there was still questions that weren't being
26:03
Speaker 3: answered and still stuff that they were working through. And
26:05
Speaker 3: I get that, like, obviously you're going to need to
26:07
Speaker 3: work through a lot of this type of thing, there's
26:09
Speaker 3: no doubt about it, but you know, have a proper
26:12
Speaker 3: plan of how are you going to communicate it to people?
26:14
Speaker 8: And I'd say parks are for people. The government should
26:17
Speaker 8: be encouraging families and people to go out into these
26:20
Speaker 8: parks and do family events and go for a walk
26:22
Speaker 8: and not hanging around the cities or in the towns
26:24
Speaker 8: and doing crime. So why are we talking about this
26:26
Speaker 8: when we should be encouraged. You should be people going
26:29
Speaker 8: out there and should be a better and better experience.
26:32
Speaker 8: The labour's put US into eight point four billion dollar debt,
26:34
Speaker 8: and Mattie said projected up to eleven billion dollar debt.
26:37
Speaker 8: So really what they're trying to do is revenue raised
26:39
Speaker 8: to to cover that debt. And ultimately, if they're going
26:42
Speaker 8: to raise that money, my problem also is what about
26:44
Speaker 8: the administration costs, what about the enforcement costs? Is that
26:47
Speaker 8: money going to go back into the park or just
26:49
Speaker 8: into general revenue and they'll pass.
26:51
Speaker 9: It on that They'll be asking the operators to collect
26:54
Speaker 9: the money, I guarantee.
26:55
Speaker 5: So it's an online booking system that's already been announced.
26:58
Speaker 7: That's what actually was the announcement that we're introducing an
27:01
Speaker 7: online booking system. I would presume you would get a
27:04
Speaker 7: permit through that, you'd get something emailed to you, just
27:07
Speaker 7: like you'd get a concert ticket.
27:08
Speaker 5: We all do it all the time. You can get
27:09
Speaker 5: in your walllet in your past book and so.
27:11
Speaker 3: But we still don't know exactly how much it's going
27:13
Speaker 3: to be for those fees at this point, do we.
27:15
Speaker 5: No, they're not set yet. So that's the conversation we're having.
27:18
Speaker 7: But it's an early flag and we've been very very
27:21
Speaker 7: clear that these is money that will be reinvested in
27:23
Speaker 7: our parks, and you know, Jared, I'll just.
27:25
Speaker 5: Take your point from before. I like to hang around
27:28
Speaker 5: the city.
27:28
Speaker 7: I like to go out to Lichfield now and again
27:30
Speaker 7: generally I've got visitors. But you know, I'm not sitting
27:32
Speaker 7: around the committee and commit the city committing crime. So
27:35
Speaker 7: I don't know why in there that lind.
27:43
Speaker 5: The city crime.
27:47
Speaker 9: Yeah, Katie, the bottom of a lot of young people.
27:50
Speaker 6: If they did get out and do a lot more
27:51
Speaker 6: exercise in some shape or form, don't ask me what,
27:54
Speaker 6: they'd probably be happy and healthier.
27:55
Speaker 9: But that's not always the luxury that there.
27:57
Speaker 3: Seems to be a lot tagline keep your kids in sport,
28:00
Speaker 3: not in court.
28:01
Speaker 5: Well, you're doing some stuff around sports.
28:07
Speaker 6: Later, Kenny, I would most wanted to comment that if
28:11
Speaker 6: they are going to collect fees for Chuill Park and
28:14
Speaker 6: other parks, so we didn't even know if it's all
28:15
Speaker 6: the parks, is it Charles Darwin, is it Gregory?
28:18
Speaker 9: But they have said it's to go back and invest
28:20
Speaker 9: in the parks.
28:20
Speaker 6: Now, I want to guarantee that they are going to
28:23
Speaker 6: put a lot more money into the control and eradication
28:26
Speaker 6: of gamber grass because excuse me, if you look at
28:29
Speaker 6: the gamber grass map.
28:31
Speaker 9: The worst, absolute worst for.
28:33
Speaker 6: Gamber grass in the Northern Territory is around Adelaid River,
28:36
Speaker 6: Bachelor and Lichfield Park. So if they're going to put
28:38
Speaker 6: fees on and don't know how much or how long
28:41
Speaker 6: are they going to commit it? They say yes, but
28:43
Speaker 6: I'm not one hundred percent convinced that will happen. And
28:45
Speaker 6: the other thing that a lot of people don't realize
28:47
Speaker 6: and are they going to expand it?
28:48
Speaker 9: Jared probably knows.
28:49
Speaker 6: They have back of the back of the park hunting,
28:52
Speaker 6: so hunters get permits to go and clear up the
28:55
Speaker 6: feral animals, clear up pigs. Back of the house hunting
28:57
Speaker 6: they call it, and it's run through parks of wildlife.
28:59
Speaker 6: So are they going to expand that program to help
29:02
Speaker 6: get a riddle? Because there's there's hundreds and thousands of feral.
29:05
Speaker 4: Pigs across the top and they do a lot of damage.
29:07
Speaker 9: They do a lot of damage.
29:08
Speaker 6: So is the government going to be serious about investing
29:10
Speaker 6: in the parks and not only the gamble grass and
29:13
Speaker 6: weed control, which you know there's other parks that have
29:16
Speaker 6: got mimosa and those other things. Are they going to
29:19
Speaker 6: extend what should be which should be a good thing.
29:21
Speaker 6: I'm supporting it if they can extend that that permit
29:23
Speaker 6: system to clear up our feral animals, because there's there's
29:27
Speaker 6: donkey's few donkeys, not a lot, but there's particularly the pigs,
29:30
Speaker 6: and they're doing so much damage that.
29:31
Speaker 4: People don't know.
29:32
Speaker 8: Organizations like Field and Game they go out there and
29:35
Speaker 8: they do the hunting, but they do a lot of
29:37
Speaker 8: my maintenance, they do a lot of weed control. They're
29:39
Speaker 8: available to do that. They should be utilized because they're
29:41
Speaker 8: willing and ready and able to go and get these places.
29:44
Speaker 1: And we are powering through the time.
29:46
Speaker 2: This morning, three sixties, the week that was.
29:49
Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was. Joining us
29:51
Speaker 1: in the studio this.
29:52
Speaker 3: Morning, Jeb Mayley, Keesiopuic, Matt Cunningham and Kate Warden. Now
29:58
Speaker 3: let's talk about well the economy concept. The State of
30:02
Speaker 3: the State report came out earlier in the week. The
30:05
Speaker 3: Chief Minister said it could go in the recycling bin.
30:07
Speaker 3: I think what a lot of us are wanting to see.
30:09
Speaker 3: Because he's too scared of it.
30:11
Speaker 8: He didn't say that in twenty fifteen when he put
30:13
Speaker 8: a press release out, he loved it.
30:17
Speaker 4: Here you can all read it. He loved the press
30:22
Speaker 4: release in twenty and fifteen and say how good it was. Well, so,
30:25
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not sure when he was deceitful
30:27
Speaker 4: then or now? A way those times out.
30:29
Speaker 5: Of impacts, and I think you can't compare it, compare that.
30:31
Speaker 11: I think the point is, I think Jared's point is
30:33
Speaker 11: about whether the concept reports you do the day I'm saying,
30:39
Speaker 11: concept report that empty is losing my menum meant to
30:42
Speaker 11: indicate CLP and not taking advantage of the Northern Terry's
30:46
Speaker 11: amazing economic potential.
30:50
Speaker 4: Was he truthful then or now? I'm not sure where
30:53
Speaker 4: was he deceitful?
30:53
Speaker 3: Well, I guess at the end of the day, you know,
30:55
Speaker 3: you cannot take these types of reports into account. I
30:58
Speaker 3: mean he did point to a Lloyd's Access economic report
31:01
Speaker 3: earlier in the week, but that was commissioned by the government,
31:04
Speaker 3: wasn't it.
31:05
Speaker 7: Yes, But you want them to you know, you put
31:07
Speaker 7: big companies like those that have experienced to look at
31:10
Speaker 7: them look at it, and you would hope that they
31:12
Speaker 7: would do it objectively. I think the whole point though,
31:14
Speaker 7: with the concept this time around, is that they look
31:17
Speaker 7: at the Northern Territory against itself and its performance against
31:20
Speaker 7: itself over ten years, and we all know that Impacts
31:23
Speaker 7: made a massive spike in our economy over a short
31:26
Speaker 7: amount of time. It created what I would consider a
31:27
Speaker 7: false economy in a northern territory.
31:29
Speaker 3: Point in the territory right now though that we were
31:32
Speaker 3: at pre Impacts.
31:34
Speaker 5: I'd have to look at that chart.
31:35
Speaker 9: We probably are.
31:36
Speaker 5: It's probably come back down to that levels. But we
31:39
Speaker 5: all got used to. I know, you know, you drive
31:41
Speaker 5: past houses.
31:42
Speaker 7: They've got the little ATV in the house, and they've
31:44
Speaker 7: got big TVs. And you know, I remember when Impacts
31:47
Speaker 7: started coloring jobs and I had somebody in my electorate
31:50
Speaker 7: coming to see me, so I can't pay I've just
31:52
Speaker 7: lost my job with Impacts, and I can't pay off
31:54
Speaker 7: my television.
31:55
Speaker 5: You know it was like seven five hundred dollars of television.
31:58
Speaker 7: Well, you know who goes into knowing into a job
32:01
Speaker 7: like that, knowing that it's going to come to an end.
32:03
Speaker 5: And we we had that.
32:04
Speaker 7: We had big boats in yards, we had no houses
32:07
Speaker 7: available on the market.
32:08
Speaker 9: And then we saw slowly that jobs were lost and.
32:11
Speaker 7: The territories changed in sand and we're being compared against
32:14
Speaker 7: that boom time over those ten years.
32:16
Speaker 3: Look on board, is that you know, for me, what
32:20
Speaker 3: we've seen over the last several years following on from
32:25
Speaker 3: IMPETS is that we really haven't at this point been
32:28
Speaker 3: able to diversify the economy with different projects yet.
32:31
Speaker 1: Because it takes time. In time, it does take time,
32:33
Speaker 1: but we didn't really hit the ground running.
32:35
Speaker 5: You know.
32:36
Speaker 3: You guys did fart around for you know, for a
32:39
Speaker 3: few years there we could be getting things going on.
32:42
Speaker 3: I mean not that you know, not that the COLP
32:44
Speaker 3: did much planning either by the sounds events when they were.
32:46
Speaker 5: Still in power.
32:47
Speaker 3: So that I think that both of you kind of
32:49
Speaker 3: you know, like both sides of politics, we've got to go,
32:51
Speaker 3: all right, we've got to diversify the economy. We all
32:54
Speaker 3: understand that now, Matt. I know yesterday you're out at
32:56
Speaker 3: the sun Cable project. That's one of the ones that
32:58
Speaker 3: obviously the government is hanging their hats on.
33:01
Speaker 1: But it's still a few years away.
33:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still two years before final investment. Katie.
33:06
Speaker 10: It's interesting with these reports that there was a great
33:09
Speaker 10: piece by due to Sloan in the Australian over the
33:12
Speaker 10: summer talking about reports and these reports that basically you
33:17
Speaker 10: get someone commissions the report and then the report comes
33:19
Speaker 10: back and says exactly what they wanted to say. So,
33:21
Speaker 10: you know, I think there's an old rule in politics
33:25
Speaker 10: that you never commissioned a report unless you know exactly
33:28
Speaker 10: what it's going to come back and say. It's like
33:29
Speaker 10: the the report in to the Arafura Games and what
33:33
Speaker 10: a great economic success it was. I tell you what
33:35
Speaker 10: ifever I've seen, I'm said, a bunch of robbery figures.
33:41
Speaker 2: Contained that at some point the gravy train has to end.
33:50
Speaker 2: No we can't, we can't stay on it for anything.
33:55
Speaker 5: A secular argument in here this morning.
33:57
Speaker 1: Well let's talk about that cable.
33:59
Speaker 6: So big projects are complicated and complex, and it involves
34:06
Speaker 6: billions and billions of dollars. Now if this pro if
34:10
Speaker 6: this project ever eventuate, of course it will be a
34:12
Speaker 6: bonus not only for our territory in Australia but for
34:14
Speaker 6: the other countries. But it's more complicated than what people realize,
34:18
Speaker 6: and probably the most complicated it's probably getting across our
34:21
Speaker 6: land here as we talked about off there, with our
34:23
Speaker 6: land tenure and access to land, because it'll cross through
34:26
Speaker 6: pastoral lands, through average and freehold land under the land rightsack.
34:30
Speaker 6: But you know, engineering wise, it's also hugely complex. It's
34:33
Speaker 6: got to go round round a couple of islands and
34:36
Speaker 6: across a deep sea trench. But hey, good luck to them.
34:39
Speaker 9: I'm never going to sell any big project.
34:41
Speaker 6: But don't get mister Gunner, don't get too excited, because
34:45
Speaker 6: you know a lot of big projects have going to
34:46
Speaker 6: have come and gone planning wise in the Northern Territory
34:49
Speaker 6: and not eventuated for lots of reasons because we're dealing
34:52
Speaker 6: we're dealing with an international stage here and there's usually
34:55
Speaker 6: a window of opportunity to get your project up and
34:58
Speaker 6: as soon as that window starts to.
35:01
Speaker 3: We're competing against the rest of Australia at the moment.
35:03
Speaker 3: Obviously we've and indeed the rest of the world. We
35:06
Speaker 3: had the Territory Economic Reconstruction Report obviously come through. My
35:10
Speaker 3: big question to the government again is like it was
35:13
Speaker 3: with crime and the way in which we're investing money
35:15
Speaker 3: into different sort of initiatives to try to combat the
35:19
Speaker 3: issues we've got with youth crime and all types of crime.
35:21
Speaker 3: When it comes to the economy, we now have the
35:24
Speaker 3: report from the Turk, how exactly are we going to
35:28
Speaker 3: have KPIs in place to make sure that the recommendations
35:32
Speaker 3: that have been put through by the Territory Economic Reconstruction Commission,
35:36
Speaker 3: that we're actually meeting those key indicators that we're actually
35:40
Speaker 3: doing what they've recommended, because we're never going to have
35:43
Speaker 3: a group of people like that again dedicate their time
35:47
Speaker 3: to us to try and help get the territory moveating.
35:49
Speaker 7: You're right there is, but that report hasfications for every department.
35:55
Speaker 7: I mean I've even got some you know, like in
35:57
Speaker 7: urban housing around community housing and delivering community housing model,
36:02
Speaker 7: those sorts of things across all agencies. So DCM have
36:06
Speaker 7: a central area where they're coordinating that and they have
36:09
Speaker 7: to continuously talk to all the agencies about the activity
36:12
Speaker 7: they're doing. But can I just make a comment about
36:14
Speaker 7: the economy. What's really important is, you know, announcements like
36:17
Speaker 7: that we so some cable are fantastic, but as a.
36:20
Speaker 5: Government, we are not losing sight.
36:22
Speaker 9: There's you have to do.
36:23
Speaker 7: And I've always had the analogy in my mind about
36:25
Speaker 7: shock absorbers in your economy. So you have the lovely
36:27
Speaker 7: big projects or what's important is the stuff you're doing underneath.
36:31
Speaker 7: That's why gas is so important because that will manufacturing.
36:34
Speaker 7: And we've spent years investing in and around Catherine, for example,
36:38
Speaker 7: things like roads, so that that can become an agricultural hub,
36:41
Speaker 7: and you'll see I think we'll see a rise of
36:43
Speaker 7: a hemp industry and a cotton industry in and around Catherine.
36:46
Speaker 7: Now that can't happen. We might say, oh, it's out
36:48
Speaker 7: to the public. You know, let's get somebody to grow cotton.
36:50
Speaker 7: It's not that easy.
36:51
Speaker 1: You know.
36:52
Speaker 7: They're also now talking about a cotton gin, and I
36:54
Speaker 7: see other states that are talking.
36:55
Speaker 5: About that as well.
36:56
Speaker 7: But that's the important stuff, is having that smaller stuff,
36:59
Speaker 7: the shock absorbed in your economy.
37:01
Speaker 5: So when those big projects come along.
37:02
Speaker 7: They're great, but then the economy can come back to
37:05
Speaker 7: where you know, that higher level, but not all the
37:08
Speaker 7: way back like we've seen with impacts. That's the economic
37:10
Speaker 7: discussion we need to have with people, making sure we've
37:13
Speaker 7: got the settings right. And I know you you know,
37:15
Speaker 7: you'll say we farted around for a while, but essentially
37:18
Speaker 7: we were getting all of that stuff in place. We
37:20
Speaker 7: have invested huge amounts of money into we took people
37:28
Speaker 7: with us. That's what we took to the election, and
37:30
Speaker 7: we want to make sure.
37:38
Speaker 2: We have to take it very that the three sixties.
37:41
Speaker 3: The week that was I can't keep this mob quiet
37:44
Speaker 3: even in the breaks, even when I'm doing RDS. Matthews,
37:55
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the COVID nineteen vaccine. It's been reported
37:59
Speaker 3: to I believe in the Nting News that there's no
38:01
Speaker 3: need to rush the rollout of the coronavirus vaccine in Australia,
38:05
Speaker 3: according to Chief Minister Michael Gunner, as he confirmed the
38:08
Speaker 3: territory's initial JAB hubs would be in Darwin and Alla Springs. Mattie,
38:13
Speaker 3: I understand that yesterday at the press conference there was
38:16
Speaker 3: a bit more talk about this.
38:17
Speaker 10: Ah, yeah there was, and it was interesting to hear
38:21
Speaker 10: what Michael Gunn was saying. He said a bit like
38:23
Speaker 10: the national timeline, we think late February early March we
38:27
Speaker 10: should get the vaccine here. We had a bit of
38:30
Speaker 10: a discussion too around which vaccine and how.
38:33
Speaker 2: I think one of the issues.
38:34
Speaker 10: The government's going to need to deal with is how
38:37
Speaker 10: they're going to vaccinate, particularly the remote indigenous population. Because
38:44
Speaker 10: one the fire's a vaccine needs to be stored at
38:47
Speaker 10: minus seventy degrees. So I'd say it's more likely the
38:49
Speaker 10: astrozenica vaccine, and Michael Gunner confirmed this yesterday would be
38:53
Speaker 10: used certainly in remote areas because it only needs to
38:56
Speaker 10: be between two and eight degrees.
38:58
Speaker 2: I think it needs to be stored.
38:59
Speaker 7: Yeah.
39:00
Speaker 3: Nationally, they're saying today that that Germany have come out
39:03
Speaker 3: today and said that the astrosenica should only be given
39:05
Speaker 3: to people that are aged sixteen to sixty four.
39:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, people under sixty five.
39:09
Speaker 10: And then that makes you wonder with the indigenous population
39:12
Speaker 10: whether that would be younger again, so there's still a
39:16
Speaker 10: few hurdles to be jumped through. And the other issue
39:18
Speaker 10: that was talked about yesterday was we obviously know the
39:20
Speaker 10: transient nature of a lot of people who live in
39:22
Speaker 10: remote communities, and you need to get two jabs, so
39:25
Speaker 10: there's going to be a lot of thought that needs
39:27
Speaker 10: to be pulled into Well, if they get the first job,
39:29
Speaker 10: well then we need to make sure how are were
39:31
Speaker 10: going to track this person to make sure they're around
39:32
Speaker 10: to gain the second job.
39:33
Speaker 5: Yeah.
39:34
Speaker 7: I would think that this is one of those issues Kakie,
39:36
Speaker 7: that all four of us in this room will agree about.
39:38
Speaker 7: The territory is safe and we've COVID free, so at
39:41
Speaker 7: the moment, I think, you know, we can take our
39:43
Speaker 7: time to make sure we do this absolutely right. And
39:45
Speaker 7: I think if I want one message for your listeners
39:47
Speaker 7: today everybody that's listening, is that you will need two jabs.
39:51
Speaker 5: That's what's coming.
39:52
Speaker 7: And if you have the first job and you don't
39:54
Speaker 7: have the second, it doesn't work. So you absolutely need
39:57
Speaker 7: to have the second job.
39:58
Speaker 5: That's what.
39:59
Speaker 7: If we're going to be conversational about this, let's be
40:01
Speaker 7: responsible you're talking to people about it.
40:04
Speaker 5: Make sure we're doing it from a point of knowledge.
40:07
Speaker 5: Let's not scare monger this.
40:09
Speaker 7: We will roll it out to frontline workers first and
40:12
Speaker 7: then we'll go from there and they will be a
40:13
Speaker 7: clear messages as we go through towards the end of February.
40:17
Speaker 7: Matters right with that timeline, that's what we're being advised
40:20
Speaker 7: as well.
40:20
Speaker 5: Let's get it right.
40:21
Speaker 7: Let's get everybody to have those two jabs and make
40:25
Speaker 7: sure that message is really, really clear. We don't want
40:28
Speaker 7: people are getting all worried and you know, scared, and
40:30
Speaker 7: we don't want a big rise of the anti VAXA
40:32
Speaker 7: campaign star open here in the territory.
40:34
Speaker 5: We need to make sure that people in the Northern.
40:37
Speaker 7: Territory are vaccinated in order of priority, and that it's
40:41
Speaker 7: done right. And I think every one of us in
40:43
Speaker 7: this room is going to send that same clear message
40:45
Speaker 7: to people.
40:45
Speaker 9: I agree.
40:46
Speaker 6: I agree with Kate, and I've recently wrote to the
40:49
Speaker 6: Health Minister, Natasha Files, just to find out exactly what
40:52
Speaker 6: the program is or as much as obviously government can tell,
40:55
Speaker 6: because I'm starting to be approached by business people who
40:58
Speaker 6: haven't actually been able to conduct their business since about
41:01
Speaker 6: from the last year involved traveling to American, Malaysia, Dubai,
41:04
Speaker 6: and they do audits in the construction industry. So I mean,
41:09
Speaker 6: no one has an issue with frontline workers and people
41:11
Speaker 6: who are vulnerable. But if we can get some guidances
41:15
Speaker 6: to then if a business requires it for their staff,
41:18
Speaker 6: and if people choose not to take the vaccination, well
41:21
Speaker 6: so be it.
41:21
Speaker 3: You know, travel overseas, so I reckon we'll find it's.
41:26
Speaker 9: A personal choice.
41:27
Speaker 6: If someone doesn't want their family to be vaccinated, that's
41:30
Speaker 6: a personal choice. They may not be able to travel
41:31
Speaker 6: on conscious for example, so you know that's that's still
41:34
Speaker 6: up to the individual, you know.
41:35
Speaker 9: If they want to get a vaccination or not. But Kate,
41:38
Speaker 9: I'd encourage people. I'd have no issue getting vaccination.
41:40
Speaker 10: To me, I think it's a personal choice to not
41:45
Speaker 10: have it, but it's also a highly irresponsible one because
41:49
Speaker 10: you're not just talking about protecting yourself, you're talking about
41:52
Speaker 10: stopping the spread of the virus. So you know, I
41:55
Speaker 10: just think you're talking about Facebook before. Don't get your
41:58
Speaker 10: information from Facebook. When it comes to the vaccine.
42:01
Speaker 5: The government, Yeah, listen to your community. Leaders will talk.
42:05
Speaker 7: You know, whether you've got a personal view or it's
42:07
Speaker 7: not a time to hold a personal view if you're
42:08
Speaker 7: an anti vaxxer, it's not a time for that.
42:10
Speaker 5: The world needs this, you know.
42:12
Speaker 7: Australia needs us in all the territory needs us so
42:14
Speaker 7: we can get back to trading that people can see
42:17
Speaker 7: their loved ones.
42:18
Speaker 1: I know exactly, Katie.
42:19
Speaker 7: I've said this before and three we probably in the
42:22
Speaker 7: next couple of weeks. My daughter is in New Zealand
42:23
Speaker 7: is about have twins and I ain't going, and it's
42:26
Speaker 7: just it's.
42:26
Speaker 5: Absolutely destroying our family.
42:28
Speaker 7: The quicker this vaccine's done, the better, and people I'm
42:31
Speaker 7: on the small scale, I know people that have lost
42:34
Speaker 7: family members in this time and we need to make
42:36
Speaker 7: sure that people can travel.
42:38
Speaker 5: We're used to it. It's a luxury.
42:40
Speaker 9: We did get used to we've all.
42:42
Speaker 7: Adjusted, but it's getting really hard for people now and
42:45
Speaker 7: I think if we can all get on that wagon
42:48
Speaker 7: and do the right thing and send the right messages,
42:51
Speaker 7: it will be great.
42:52
Speaker 5: Yeah.
42:52
Speaker 1: I agree.
42:53
Speaker 3: Well that is it for the week that was this morning.
42:56
Speaker 3: What a cracking first week back. Jared Malee, the Opposition later,
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Speaker 3: thank you for joining us this morning.
43:02
Speaker 4: Thank you listening.
43:05
Speaker 3: Gekeasy of your Katie, I never forgot it. Thank you
43:09
Speaker 3: for your time this morning. Matt Cunninghair Matteo from Sky News.
43:17
Speaker 3: Kate Warnen, the Minister for Territory Families and Catherine Warden.
43:24
Speaker 7: Visiting here for one moment and congratulate, congratulate you want.
43:27
Speaker 9: To thank you.
43:28
Speaker 5: You deserve it for all the work that you've done.
43:31
Speaker 5: Thank you. We've run with Dad.
43:33
Speaker 3: Well, apparently you do like this special ceremony with the administrator.
43:36
Speaker 3: I think do I need to ask for you all
43:38
Speaker 3: to be allowed to attend.
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Speaker 1: Hello listeners as well. Good on you all. Thanks so
43:43
Speaker 1: much for your time this morning. It is the week
43:45
Speaker 1: that was