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IFH 828: The Ultimate Life of Action: Martial Arts, Movies, and Wisdom with Leo Fong · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 3: So today we have Leo Fong. This man is eighty
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  Speaker 3: six years young and he's still going strong. This man
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  Speaker 3: is trained with Bruce Lee. He has traveled the world
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  Speaker 3: making movies and now he runs his own martial arts
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  Speaker 3: dojo down South. Ladies and gentlemen with Leo Fong twining
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  Speaker 3: me today is Leo Fong. Leo Fung is a kung
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  Speaker 3: Fu grand master, methodist, minister, fitness coach, and filmmaker. Leo's
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  Speaker 3: film career has spanned over forty years, and he was
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  Speaker 3: also a sporring partner and student of the late Great
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  Speaker 3: Bruce Lee. Grand Master Fong, how are you doing today, sir?
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  Speaker 4: Not too bad. You know. I'm recovering a couple of
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  Speaker 4: shoulder surgery and it's getting better. Yeah, but it's feeling better.
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  Speaker 3: And you just celebrated your thirtieth wedding anniversary.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, yeah, thirty's wedding anniversary yesterday? Yeah, man, thirty years.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, congratulations, sir, thank you, thank you. So Master Fong,
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  Speaker 3: could you tell us a litle bit about your background
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  Speaker 3: and you know how you got started in in more
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  Speaker 3: source and filmmaking.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, well, Marshal Arts wives. I was raised up in Arkansas,
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  Speaker 4: in a little town called Widener, Arkansas. And I came
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  Speaker 4: here when I was five years old my mom. And
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  Speaker 4: in those days in nineteen thirty five, most Chinese would
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  Speaker 4: migrate to the South, like Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisiana and
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  Speaker 4: and and the reason was they started the grocery business,
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  Speaker 4: in the grocery store business, and of course in Louisiana
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  Speaker 4: they started, you know, restaurants and stuff. And the reason
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  Speaker 4: was cotton was a king in those days, like Mississippi,
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  Speaker 4: Tennessee and Arkansas. The blacks would pick cotton there and
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  Speaker 4: they would, you know, rather go to the deal with
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  Speaker 4: the Chinese grocery stores than the Caucasian the whites because
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  Speaker 4: they were being discriminated in the abuse. And I saw
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  Speaker 4: all that happening back in the thirties and forties, how
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  Speaker 4: they treated the black people. And then of course, when
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  Speaker 4: I got seven years old, my mom, my dad and
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  Speaker 4: mom didn't find me to school because constrict English, and
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  Speaker 4: so at seven I learned a little bit of English
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  Speaker 4: and they sent me to school. In the first day
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  Speaker 4: of school, they were all teasing me, calling me King
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  Speaker 4: John Tanneman, and I didn't realize what they would doing.
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  Speaker 4: I thought they all liked me because they research time,
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  Speaker 4: they all gathered around me, but I was the only
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  Speaker 4: non white in that roop school. And then what happened
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  Speaker 4: was next day my dad asked me what happened? What
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  Speaker 4: happened in school? I told him they all liked me
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  Speaker 4: and all that, and I told her what it was
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  Speaker 4: really upset. He said, they don't like you. They did
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  Speaker 4: degrading your your ethnic your race. And so the next day,
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  Speaker 4: I went back and went finding softball, and some little
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  Speaker 4: kid hit the run and come uh to the first base.
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  Speaker 4: I was finding first base and uh and uh he
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  Speaker 4: looked up me a said chink and I hate it
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  Speaker 4: right in the face, knocking down and and the next
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  Speaker 4: thing I know, the teacher had me up in there
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  Speaker 4: spanking me because I had about cobby uh eighty nine
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  Speaker 4: pounds or something like that. The picked me. I was
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  Speaker 4: spanking eck out of me, and they made me stand
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  Speaker 4: in the hall and everybody sees me at the worldwide.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that was the beginning of my journey
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  Speaker 4: in looking ways to defend myself. And of course as
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  Speaker 4: I grew up, grew up, I I and when I
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  Speaker 4: got to about eleven, twelve years old, I bought a
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  Speaker 4: book Bonnie Ross out of box Fundamental Boxing. That's what
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  Speaker 4: I never had, that book and I edit and it
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  Speaker 4: started my boxing career at that around twelve years old.
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  Speaker 4: Because I remember about fourteen fifteen years old, they were
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  Speaker 4: putting up little matches in uh uh in this old
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  Speaker 4: empty schoolhouse or third coup house where I first went
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  Speaker 4: to Firth Grade. They moved with school uh to a
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  Speaker 4: little town called Madison, Narkansas, about six miles away in
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  Speaker 4: a little bigger town. And so this school house abandoned.
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  Speaker 4: So every so often a couple of older guys put
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  Speaker 4: on boxing matches. And I remember one time they asked me,
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  Speaker 4: say a funk, you want to fight that bl But
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  Speaker 4: I went down there and they maxed me up some
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  Speaker 4: guy about forty pounds hearing in me and name with
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  Speaker 4: Dave Hyde. He was a quarterback on the on the
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  Speaker 4: high school football team. Well, he hit me. The first
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  Speaker 4: time he hit me, he knocked me across the room.
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  Speaker 4: My head hit the ball and I was half out.
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  Speaker 4: And so when I got home, I had a terrible headache.
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  Speaker 4: And and but I you know, I figured out what happened.
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  Speaker 4: I said, what happened was I just work out there.
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  Speaker 4: So I was swinging at it. I'm thinking I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: overwhelm them with punches, and I started learning how to
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  Speaker 4: you know, strategy. Well, then they answered it again one time.
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  Speaker 4: I said, well, I'll fight, but you guys got give
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  Speaker 4: me somebody that's coaching my weight, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a max milk school high school athlete athlete. And so
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  Speaker 4: they matched me up with some guy about ten times heavier.
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  Speaker 4: I knocked him out because I was practicing on the
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  Speaker 4: you know, on on the pillow, hanging there and doing
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  Speaker 4: all kinds of stuff that the book was doing. You
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  Speaker 4: know that I read in the book. Well that's how
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  Speaker 4: I got started.
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  Speaker 3: And and you know that's absolutely amazing because you know, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know back when then, you know, uh, they didn't
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  Speaker 3: have all the more shorts books because I know she
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  Speaker 3: mentioned it was a boxing book that you bought, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, you go today now to a bookstore and
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  Speaker 3: there's you know, hundreds of books everything from kung fu
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  Speaker 3: to hop keto to a keto. Uh, but back then
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  Speaker 3: they weren't around as particular in America.
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  Speaker 4: On the first time we heard the word karate, some
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  Speaker 4: people in the South didn't know what it was something. Indeed,
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  Speaker 4: the first book I bought in as karate was Nishyama
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  Speaker 4: and Brown. Uh you know uh that book. Look, it
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  Speaker 4: was made out of the cover like Bennysack. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know you remember that book, but it was
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  Speaker 4: uh karate, you know. Uh in the Mishyama. Oh, that
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  Speaker 4: was my first karate book bought with Yama on it.
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  Speaker 4: He was uh, you know, the cover was he was
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  Speaker 4: killing a bull with his bare hands. And then shortly
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  Speaker 4: after that, I uh, I started taking kung fu less
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  Speaker 4: in San Francisco. Uh, that's back in the fifth But
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  Speaker 4: I came out here after I I graduated from high school.
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  Speaker 4: I fell a before I graduated high school, I fell
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  Speaker 4: a call to ministry. And then and then I I
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  Speaker 4: went and told my pastor what I want to do,
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  Speaker 4: and they may arrangement me uh to uh go to
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  Speaker 4: college and uh and so I went to Hinders College
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  Speaker 4: in Conway, Arkansas. Before I I I I went to college, well,
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  Speaker 4: I uh, I was learning the box and and that
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  Speaker 4: was it. Uh So when I got to college, I
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  Speaker 4: had a troy. I had a friend named Jim Jefferies.
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  Speaker 4: He was Arkansas state raffering captain. Where he said, Leo,
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  Speaker 4: you got join the boxing team, I mean joined the
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  Speaker 4: rafting team. I could. I'll tell you what, jeff, I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to raft, So I I said, I think
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  Speaker 4: I'm you know, a fit for boxing.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, he kept bugging me, and I said, well,
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  Speaker 4: why don't we go down to the gym spark If
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  Speaker 4: you can pin me, I'll be I joined the rassing team.
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  Speaker 4: So I got down there and I stabbed him with
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  Speaker 4: jabs and Lewis jabb you could never get get touch
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  Speaker 4: with me. He couldn't grab me to take me down.
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  Speaker 4: I get the best day of boxing. And so that
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  Speaker 4: old season because the team was UH. They had a
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  Speaker 4: pretty good team, and we we fought all over Arkansas,
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  Speaker 4: all different colleges and the boys clubs and so. And
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  Speaker 4: then finally after the first year UH, they told me
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  Speaker 4: we're going to abandon the Boston program and UH. So
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  Speaker 4: I went to the National Guard Armory downtown in Conway, Arkansas,
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  Speaker 4: joined their team because they had the boxing team. Thenose
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  Speaker 4: days they had boxing teams all over the place of
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  Speaker 4: competition and UH and and so I ended up. By
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  Speaker 4: the time I got through college and then went to
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  Speaker 4: seminary in Southern Methosis University in Dallas, Texas, I had
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  Speaker 4: already had twenty five fights and had about ten h
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  Speaker 4: ten of those stue House bought fights and one nine
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  Speaker 4: of them. First one I got knocked out in Faving
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  Speaker 4: in UH in the regular competition intercollegiate and in in
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  Speaker 4: uh Aau and UH, I got knocked out twice and
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  Speaker 4: I lost decision. But I won twenty two fights. I
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  Speaker 4: HAT twenty five U twenty five, and I had co
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  Speaker 4: eighteen knockouts. And when I learned early that didn't not
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  Speaker 4: about how many punches you have, but you got to
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  Speaker 4: really take one punch and perfected. The reason was uh.
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  Speaker 4: That was a guy named Billy Walker. He was a
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  Speaker 4: local uh uh professional fighter. He boked mostly in uh
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  Speaker 4: skid rounders. Uh sometimes I'm mostly eight rounders, and he
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  Speaker 4: was always knocking everybody out. Well, one time I have
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  Speaker 4: to be on the card. Within they had an amateur
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  Speaker 4: thing that I was on the part with him. We
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  Speaker 4: were a ngression room and I said, Billy, I watched
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  Speaker 4: you fight the career. You went all those things to
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  Speaker 4: knock out with the left hook. I said, I could.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody must know that you're going to pull a left hook.
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  Speaker 4: He said yeah, but they don't know when it's crimming.
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  Speaker 4: And that's where I learned a lot picking up from
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  Speaker 4: from these guys. You know. I saw Joey Maxim with
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  Speaker 4: light hairway camping. He became my personal friend after I
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  Speaker 4: became an adult, after I moved out here. He was
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  Speaker 4: light heayway camping. He fought to Archie Moore and all
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  Speaker 4: those guys, and he came to the Little Rock and
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  Speaker 4: he falled a ten rounder and then Tony Zl and
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  Speaker 4: I I happened to meet Tony Zl and his manager
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  Speaker 4: back in nineteen fifty. I was going to turn pro
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  Speaker 4: and uh then I tried not to. After I stayed
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  Speaker 4: in afternoon at the Midwestum watched him all these firefighters,
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  Speaker 4: most of the plus rum. I said, no, I don't
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  Speaker 4: want part of that. So I said I would get
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  Speaker 4: that out of my system. And here I was a
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  Speaker 4: second year student at Seminary. I said, I better both
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  Speaker 4: staying at church. This fight really fun. So that that
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  Speaker 4: was my experience in boxing. And then and then when
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  Speaker 4: I I I got into my second year in seminary,
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  Speaker 4: I had a job at Frank and Chapel in West
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  Speaker 4: Dallas were uh, Bonnie and Clyde you hang out and
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  Speaker 4: uh so I got a job there teaching at the
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  Speaker 4: community Center. And I started a boxing program there and
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  Speaker 4: I had pretty good successful program. I first year I
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  Speaker 4: entered first year, I entered uh uh uh uh my
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  Speaker 4: my sitings in the in the Southwest gold Glass and
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  Speaker 4: out of ten guys, nine and one. The championships. You know,
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  Speaker 4: either you went to the finals, I won championship.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that's incredible.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So uh so Master Funks. So you know you you're
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  Speaker 3: you know, you're in seminary when you decided not to
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  Speaker 3: go boxing. So when did you start, you know, picking
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  Speaker 3: up like you know, other you know, martial arts styles.
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  Speaker 3: You know, because I know you you've practiced in a
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  Speaker 3: variety of styles. So was it soon after that that
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  Speaker 3: you started to to sort of you know, practice other
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  Speaker 3: styles and me when you met like other martial artists.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, here's what happened. I came out to West Coast
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  Speaker 4: because of racism. Uh. The bishop sent me out here
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  Speaker 4: instead of giving me a church in Arkansas, which was
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  Speaker 4: a blessing in the sky is I didn't realize what
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  Speaker 4: a blessing was. I was very bitter because they said, well,
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  Speaker 4: we don't have no Chinese churches in Arkansas to the
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  Speaker 4: massive church. So I said, well okay, then finally, uh
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  Speaker 4: in the church, if we could come all day, they
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  Speaker 4: geant you your job, you can assume them. But then
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  Speaker 4: my colleagues told me to sue. I said no, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not gonna be. That lifted me out the back of
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  Speaker 4: montal And this is where I I learned. First of all,
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  Speaker 4: I was driving in nineteen fifty four. I'd ride down
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  Speaker 4: the street and I saw science jiu jitsu. Well I stopped.
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  Speaker 4: I went all the way upststairs and met a guy
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  Speaker 4: named Bill Luke and he was a student of Bruce Tegner.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if he ever heard that name. Bruce Tegner.
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  Speaker 4: He wrote a lot of books back in the early
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  Speaker 4: sixties and from Oxnaw, California, Vintura, California, and he would
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  Speaker 4: exaggerate his skills, but he was really a judo guy.
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  Speaker 4: But he put in pressure upon knockouts and all these
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  Speaker 4: things in little books. And I played with him about
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  Speaker 4: a year and we used to get on man grapple
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  Speaker 4: with him. I ended up spoking the guy, but we
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  Speaker 4: were a big friends and he was an intructor, so
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  Speaker 4: I got pretty bit at that. Then he said he's
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  Speaker 4: gonna move to la And when he got to move
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  Speaker 4: in l A, I look. I was looking for another place,
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  Speaker 4: and the only place I could find was a judo
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  Speaker 4: school in uh uh a judo school in uh in
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  Speaker 4: Uh in the y m c A. And so I
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  Speaker 4: went there. And his name was Bob Bendick. He used
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  Speaker 4: to hang around with Ben Campbell and uh another guy
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  Speaker 4: who was an Olympic champion, big black guy, and uh.
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  Speaker 4: So I went and I got a green belt and
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  Speaker 4: uh in uh in judo and and one of the
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  Speaker 4: things that happened one time after I got the green belt.
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  Speaker 4: Uh but the old ladies came to visit. So he
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  Speaker 4: visited the judo class, and he wanted to show them
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  Speaker 4: what judo was all about. So he said, hey, farm,
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  Speaker 4: come here. So he said, uh, full punch and he
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  Speaker 4: cause grab my arm and get underto a hip throw
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  Speaker 4: and told me to I toow the death. Care about
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  Speaker 4: this so fast? He missed, and he was really pissed off.
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  Speaker 4: He said, don't you know how to throw a punch?
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  Speaker 4: I said, how do you want to mess bob? To
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  Speaker 4: throw a tooth play? He wanted me to let my
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  Speaker 4: arm hang out there, say well I did, and he
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  Speaker 4: slammed me to the bath and I spopped the mat
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  Speaker 4: like I was supposed to, and that was it. And
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  Speaker 4: then so I said, well I had enough of this.
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  Speaker 4: So so one day one of my church members said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I was being harassed and picked on today by some
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  Speaker 4: black kids in class. He was a school teacher and
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  Speaker 4: he said we need to go go out and learn
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  Speaker 4: some gunghol. So I said, okay. So one day we
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  Speaker 4: went out there and so we asked to down the
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  Speaker 4: street corner of Chinese in Chinatown. Uh, he very the
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  Speaker 4: Poon school here. Yeah, there are two of them, if
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  Speaker 4: one up there by the church and one down here
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  Speaker 4: by the park. So I said, what you want is best?
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  Speaker 4: He said, was up to you that the guy down
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  Speaker 4: here about the park. Is no guy in up there
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  Speaker 4: as the other guy. And so I said, well, so
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  Speaker 4: I said to guy Jimmy, I said, I think the
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  Speaker 4: old guy might be better. So we're down and we
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  Speaker 4: met the guy named what is his I met the
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  Speaker 4: old guy, I main it threw up my mind pulmentarily. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: But when we turned out he was a little small guy,
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  Speaker 4: had a tremendous grip and uh he was also the
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  Speaker 4: uh in pulsing the tongs. Low Bun lo bun his
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  Speaker 4: name is low Bun l ow w u n Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And so I trained there for about two or three years,
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  Speaker 4: then went up to the other school and checked it out,
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  Speaker 4: and and in one there about I guess step thirty
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  Speaker 4: eight o'clock and there's nobody there. This one guy in
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  Speaker 4: the front of the mirror doing gofu mo, which with
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  Speaker 4: a three pound dumb bell in his hand. So we
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  Speaker 4: standing watching him. He turned around and looks he come
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  Speaker 4: over the waste salon Ward said, uh. He said, my
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  Speaker 4: name is Jimmy Lee and he said, you guys looking
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  Speaker 4: for a boo school. I said, well, we got checking
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: out the water's come joining join us there. So that's
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Jimmy Lee turned out later introduced me to Bruce Lee
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Hee and and then what reason was he had? We
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: were training there and Jimmy kind of falling out with
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: uh a t y wall on the instructor because he
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: had published a book and uh and uh t y
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: won excuse Jimmy short change in the ten dollars. I
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: mean it's a minor thing, and the and then so
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Jimmy said, the hell with that. I you know, I
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: didn't teach you a lot anything. I'm want to leave.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: So he said to me, he said, Leo, you want
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: to train, I'm want to sell my own class from
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: my garage. You want to go, you follow me, you stay?
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: I said, now I go with the Jimmy and I
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: didn't know what's going on, So I went and I
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: go out there every Worday Friday night to see him.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: And so one day he said, hey, uh uh you
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: want to attend uh Volley Jay's Luau.
• 19:54
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• 19:59
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• 20:03
  Speaker 4: And I said, what's happening there? He said, well, there's
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: a young guy whose name is Bruce Lee. He can
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: and demonstrate. I said, young guy, I said always, He
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: said twenty one years old. I said, oh man, what
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: can the guy know at twenty one? I said, but
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I'll come. I'm curious. I went to lu Al and
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: so this young twenty one year old guy jumped on
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: the stage and he start doing a Northern style going
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: foot for him, slapping his hand and throwing that kickup
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: high pop pop pop. And then he said, now, how
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: in the hell do you think you guys could fight?
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Uh doing this? And he and then he said, you
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: he's a classical mess. It's like get caught in a
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: fish net trying to fight your way out. And I
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: looked around. I saw those old Google masters around there
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: that some of my areknew. They turned right in the
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: face and they were bears. And then was brash and cocky,
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: and he said anybody won't come up here and stop
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: my jab my finger jab, said nobody. And then finding
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: some big guy like a football player jump on the
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: stage and vim. He touched him on the forehead. He said,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: maybe I did it too soon. You ready, I'll do
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: it again? So doctor, yeah, I'm ready. He touched him again,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: and then and then finally the guy with kind of
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: embarrassed who bit and he shakes his head and gets
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: off to the stage. And then he had anybody else
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: want to come up? Another guy comes up to try it,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: same thing. The guy's hand was so fast, and I said,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I was interested. And so after the demonstration, Jimmy said,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Bruce says, I stay in my house and he's trying
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: to go back next week to Seattle, and if you
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: want to come Monday night, we're getting gathered together. So
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Monday night went to Jimmy's house and there was about
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: four or five people there, and I think Bob Baker
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: was one of them. He was one that was in
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: one of the boot movies. And so, uh, one of
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: the things that Bruce demonstrated that night was, uh, the
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: one inch punch and the traffic and doing it blindfolded
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: too and and he said, he's gonna come down through
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: uh after he he goes back up to Seattle and
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: bap things up, He's gonna come back down to Oakland
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: and stay with Jimmy. And he called teach. So I
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: was one of the first students that showed up. But
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: he moved down from Seattle to Oakland, and we got
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: to be pretty good friends because they were all in
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: a uh wing chun pose down in that garage at
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: about seven eight people that that was in that first class.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: And and I asked Bruce, I said, Bruce, why do
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: you guys all in a softball fans and holding a
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: pot up? So he said, why did drink dunstar? And
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: you put your right hand out because your right hand
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: is pow hand said are you right handed? I said yeah.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: I said, but you know my knockout punch is the
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: left hook jabbing the left hook and then my right
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: hand inside rear hand and h and I shot a
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: couple of shots out that thing being bank. So he said, well,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: you do what you want to do. And but I
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: never joined the class all night. Uh, I just walk in,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: been trying a little bit, just do what it's feel like.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: And but the end up every time I come into town,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: I sit in the living room and talk to him
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: and Jimmy and uh that way, and then we began
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: to uh uh discuss differing uh thouts of fighting and
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: just everything in general. Just got a buddy buddy and
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: and and he respected me for my my uh you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: boxing skills and for what what uh uh So what
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: I did was uh uh just trying to got more
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: a lot of uh talking to you with Bruce and
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: and listening to his uh his philosophy and his theories.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: And he was smart. I'm telling you he was. I'm sorry.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Master. I was just gonna ask, Master Fink,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: did you ever actually receive it to the one inch
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: punts is you? Did he ever do that to you?
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: No, he never did it to me. He would uh
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: pick up that phone book and give her somebody else, hope. Now,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: looking back, I talked to Linda about a week ago.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: I had not talked to Linda about twenty years, and
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: and she said that, you know, Deuce had most respect
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: for me, not to me. You see, I did spar
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: with Deuce one time. We were got it like a
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: couple of drunk guy sitting around bullshitting. He said, hey, Leo,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: let's go out in the backyard. And that's fotowed a bit.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Okay see, and he realized I see, I was not
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: confined and I didn't want to taste after him, but
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: he bounced around. That's after he came to Condole and
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: uh so every time he come within range, I've watching
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: him real good. So we try a side kick on
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: me and out side stepping up. I hooked the leg
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: and then of course he kept moving ron after I
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: get on me and I'm moving. The thing is, there's
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: a boxing timing is nothing new. You realize a lot
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: of people integrate boxing because he said, all look too simple,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: But that's what he thought. He is. The whole thing
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: is not so much of the work techniques that it's
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: what goes on inside of you. Like I stand in
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: front of somebody already, I know have a feeling. I
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: feel what he's gonna do. When he make an issue move,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I overstok that jab in the space. And then then
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: then then if I dab jabbing fake down little, I
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: see the hand that aren't coming down. I hit him
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: with the left hook right on the tin. That's why
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: I hard knocked those guys out in the ring. There's
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: always the body shot with the left tab and then
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: come up with a left hook and a very simple move,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: but you know you do it. Uh hey, Bruce Leeve
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: said to do it without telegraphing, non telegraphic move. It
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: did because he studied after a long time on fight
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: when he realized that. When Tun didn't do it, we
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: did a lot of discussion and I said, Bruce, you
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: know what I would have done doing me to what
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: if you turn around trying to run from me, I
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: would bear him back a neck and jerk him back
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: and I would costly book him upper coating. You know,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: instead you ran you running around the room ty for
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: forward blasting with the wind Tun, pups. It don't work,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: you know, when you're running away from there, it's like
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I kiss a girl leaning away from me.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Of it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: That was it. And then Jimmy is always there and
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: he agree with me because he used to box a
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: little bit, you know. So the three of us, you know,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: they're pretty close. I mean more so than people in
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: real life. And that's why I never had a picture
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: taken with Bruce. I never thought about it. I didn't
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: care camera around and say, hey, that's their picture. We
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: just hung out, you know, like you were hanging out
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: with your buddies. You don't have a picture taking all
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: the time. Yeah, but uh uh uh, but Linda will
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: tell you because you brought that out because the other day,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: because I've come Peter Obard one of my friends. He's
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: a martial artists in Pennsylvania. He's writing a book on
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: waknd uh the Way of the Innovative Fists and waking
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: doe really is my version of chicken dough. But I
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: don't use the wakendo because Bruce said, I don't. I
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: don't really want anybody go down and using what his mind.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: They have to discover themself. And the first thing he
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: said to me, he said, uh, why are you going
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: to uh to trade in so many different south Dude,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: I'm living for the ultimate man. And he put his
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: ping on my chest. He said, the ultimate is in there. Man.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Take that boxing you have and learn how to kick
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: and grapple with it, and you got it. Man, don't
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: go looking outside of yourself and the secret is all
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: in new That changed my life. I I I know
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: trying to kick come out in the knee and jabbing,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: and I I have my own way of destroying somebody.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: You know, it'll be work. I don't know.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: And that is so poetic too that you know, Bruce
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: would say, you know something that that sounds exactly like
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Bruce and his philosphey of you know, it's it's all
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: inside of you and you do things your own way
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: because uh I remember reading when before he passed he
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: would mention at Giekundo and he's he would say, you know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: you know, don't emulate what I do, just you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: find your own path to to to express yourself.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: And and and I'm about one of the few guys
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: who did that. That's why people never asked me for seminars.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: And then until recently vision I'm piled up saying no
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: to a lot of people because he want, uh heykaid,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: well teach the bouce Lee stuff. I said, no, I
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: teach lil falk stuff. Uh And it works for me.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Bouce Lie stuff don't walk for me. But I have
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: the absence of Boocelesta, the basic principles that he is
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: behind it. And and and he discovered you know the
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: thing that I watched him before he got into that
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Wong Gument fight. His kicks wasn't that high and then
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: later he ran into June Ree and Jane you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Korean style, and he was kicking high and so what
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: happened was, uh, and I earned something by Bruce. He'd
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: do the same thing to you Reid does. But he
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: don't look like Ree. He looked like Bouce Lee. So
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: he was able to text somebody his techniques and internalize
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: that it comes out boost Lee because I remember.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: H.
• 30:00
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• 30:06
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• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Uh. He wanted me to stay to go with him
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: to uh the International Crime Championship, and he said to
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: Steve McQueen and Gilsey Summers will be there. I said, no, man,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: I gotta go back to Safrancisco. I have a date
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: up there. So I had, but you know I had,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: you know, I I had gotten the divorce and I
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: was dating this girl. And so she said, all wait
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: on me in San Francisco, UH to go to a
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: play and uh rid the fly back up there and uh,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: but he said he was getting dressed and uh he
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: had on his uh underwear. He said, leol, let me
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: show you something, man. He popped a spinning back kick
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: out there. I never seen anything like that, and he said,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: he here's something about Yeah, I had something to go pop,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: I said, But he said, I don't have no ball. No,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: I said no, but will you charge me? But he
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: got that's being back kicked from Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: didn't look like that, you know, Chuck Lars book fits.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: But when he dismanted Bvac just looked like phtographic and uh.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: And then most times he missed because I know he
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: fought to my tournaments before you and uh, and but Bruce,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: and that's spinning back. He he used into all this movies,
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: you know, and he made it pop. And he got
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: that from uh watching Chuck Myers doing spending bat Cake
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: and then all these other kicks he watched your read
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: and that they don't look like either one of the
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: guys doing it. See. So that's where he was able
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: to be a step above everybody else trying to imitate him.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: He didn't know how to internalize it. But what I
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: did was I internalized his concept and and then but
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: when I found out the concept is already what I
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: already knew from boxing, and most of it come from
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Washington because he had all the washing books. You know, yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Bruce Lee was a student of a lot of different
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: martial arts and uh, I remember reading too. He had
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: a lot of you know, books and libraries and you
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: just you know, you.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Go to this house. He's got three bookshelves and they
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: all full all the wall. Uh. They had a lot
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: of martial arts books are boxing all that. Then he
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: had a lot of books and then a lot of
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: books on how to sell bill state the One day
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: I asked him, I da boos, are you into real estate?
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: He said, uh, he said no, I'm the the real estate.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I said, I see, I said, amazing how he could
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: cross train and another the example was one day he
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: called me up. He was way excited. He said, hey,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: you know, did you have you watch Bob Hayes. He
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: just be a sprinter. Remember next time you get a chance,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: you watched Bob Hayes when they said on your mark
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: gets set, he lifts his heels and boom he's gone.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: So now from then on he was lifting his weird
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: rear leg heel up when he would close the gap.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: So yeah, he would that's amazing, how you would you
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: do that? So that way that a uh he sort
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: of got there even faster, and it was almost like
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: he was pushing off to close that gap between you.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Between you.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Exactly because from bust and I already knew that mm
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: hm brought to you.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: You you on the toes and and a lot of
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: the i's bounce around they uh when they bounce around,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: Uh they uh they were on the toes.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Oh so so master fun.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: You know, around this time, you know, Bruce started to
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: you know, gain popularity. I have to ask you, you know, uh,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: do you have any stories of of anybody challenging Bruce,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: because I remember Linda mentioned that in the documentary how
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: it got to the point where you know, Bruce was
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: you know, some random street brawler would always come up
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: to Bruce or something and and try to challenge him.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And did you did you ever see that?
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Well, the other one that was warm job, but walm
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: go didn't challenge him. It was a guy named David
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Chin that instigated the whole thing. He wanted David Chin
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: at off about coming over my place and trying knock
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: me all, but he's really chicken inside, so he came one.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: I mean stood there. I had a bout up the
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: jam in factmental well, I was one if buddy and
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: my buddy and who's also my farm partner. Lucky Can
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: was my sparting partner. Uh and he was a wing
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: con gut. But I was following with him in boxing
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: and then shoppened my boxing with him, and he tried
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: chopping he's went my box, but I was having head
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: on him, and he said, David's gonna come to night.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: And I knew David pretty well, but not that well either,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: you know. So he said, I said, what is he
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: gonna do? He won't train with me. No, No, he
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: gonna challenge you because he thinks he can beat you,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: because he thinks you're boxing is crap. I thought, really okay,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: and uh so he came and he stood around while
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: I was teaching a couple of students and then and
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: he saw me fine and my student and I said,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: while I take him on after I get through with
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: these two kids. And then uh then he disappeared. So
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I said, hey, Lucky, where is uh? Where's David? I
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: thought he was going to, uh you know, I thought
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: he was going to uh uh stay around and inspire
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: me and not I spied him. He said, no, I
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: don't know where he was. Yeah, he took off. Yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: and uh and so uh uh that was that. And
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: then Nick Man I knew he was instigating the uh
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: instigating the uh uh you know, a fight between the
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: one got money Bruce Lee going back and forth and says,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: this guy said this to you, this guy said that
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: to you. And finally after it all over, after Bruce
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Lee uh kind of embarrassed him. He was no fighter.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: He lasted about five seconds.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Bruce said to me, said, you know what I should do,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Go get David and kick his butt. Yeah, and then
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: he would be scared. Man. He didn't he didn't show
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: his face anywhere. Yeah. So that that was the story there,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: So uh was it was it Bruce who ended up
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: getting you involved in filmmaking?
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Uh? No, he didn't do that. He did promise me
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: a part in uh a part movie. He's gonna do
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: it James Coburn. But then you know that party didn't
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: get off the bound they sold the script to it
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: and it became David Kardine. Uh. Circle of the Sign.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Circle Vine was was raised a script that it little
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Von developed with Bruce Lee and then somehow went to
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: India a look for location and then they came back
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: and did more. They just couldn't get financing, I guess
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: because there was such a big budget. So they sold
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: the thing to uh fcal Embassy and then they developed. Uh,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: they did the movie with David Cared Devee was trying it.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Uh so but but his movie did it really didn't?
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Uh uh uh put a farm of me that I
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: want to be an actor. I never acted in my life,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: but one time a guy in Philippines halled me and
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: I want to know if I want to be another
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Bruce Lee. I said, well, I don't know what to
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: deal with. So I'm making a movie and I want
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: you to starting. I said, okay, I'll try it. And
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: so my buddy Ron Markinni, who is a turning fighter,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: baught Jack Norris and Bill Lut and all those guys.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Weezy and I went there and we made our first movie.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: And that's how I got in the movie business. I
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: got interested and uh but uh but he did inspire
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: me to continue to uh to shop in my my
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: acts and the martial arts.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah an he and he know Bruce continues to inspire
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: just generations of martial artists and and people, even through
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: his writing and through his movies.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: And yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so so Leo as your master Fong. So that
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: the movie you're talking about was that Murder and the Orient,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: the the one of the Philippines.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Murty Orange, Tiny Manila and I Murdered in Norway.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: That my very first movie. Ron Mark and I did it,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: and then we did He decided to do a bunch
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: of stuff on his own and I did, but I
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: decided to shoot it in the United States, my first
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: movie in the US for skillp On and it did
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: very well. They did seven million dollars box office of
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: it two doos dollars budget, and it got uh recognized
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: in the Variety and Hollywood Reporter. You know, it was amazing,
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: And that was the first time you worked with Cameron
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Mitchell correct.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, camer Mitchell and his your Fanhope Holiday Toy
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Donahue and uh so, I I had a lot of
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: these old timers in my movies, you know, Downie Richard
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Lynch who was an Invasion USA with It Took Mars,
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: uh yeah, and then uh yeah, a lot of that
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Rick and Norton was in uh that Street mm hmm.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and uh did so when you were working
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: on kill Point you work with Camra Mitchell and you
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: worked with him again on on Low Blow. Do you
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: know do you have which by the way, Low Blow
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: is my favorite.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Movie of yours. Well yeah, really.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: I have a Low Blow poster on my wall. Actually, uh,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: it's I you know, I think it's phenomenal. But so
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: so do you have any any you know?
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: You know stories working with Camra Mitchell on kill Point
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: and Low Blow.
• 39:46
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• 39:55
  Speaker 4: No, I don't have his stories, no, but but but
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you he uh you know, I'm be can't
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: be good friends and he had endless stories. When you
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: will him, you you never listening stories he tells you
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: he's been in the holly with so many that told
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: so long. That he had stories with Clark Gable, Ava
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Gardner and all these old icons you know, and uh
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: and so and then the other thing I owe to
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: my last week yesterday with my my thirtieth wedding anniversary,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: and uh and camer Mitchell and his girlfriend, Hope Holliday
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: was responsible for matching up my wife and I. I
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: remember my league wife had passed away and and uh,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Hope called me up one day and said, hey, Leo, Uh,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Cameron nows note you want to did his uh nurse matter? Yeah?
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: What you look black? And that's why the first thing
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: to ask you and and then uh hope fills it beautiful,
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: I feel kid so uh so anyway, uh, that's how
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: it happened. Yeah, and anyway, so.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Master fun you know with low Blow, as you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: as we talked about you know where you work with
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Cameron Mitchell.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: You know Low Blow.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: You actually wrote the screenplay for that movie.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, I wrote the screenplay. Yeah.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: So was that your first time writing the screenplay?
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Uh? That's that was the first uh screenplay? Yeah, that
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: I wrote that?
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: So uh how did you you know, how did you
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: go about writing it?
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, did you?
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Did you?
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: Guy?
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I mean because at that point, I don't know how
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: many screen rinning books were out, But did you go
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: and and research the you know, how to how your
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: screenplay format?
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: And and it's funny, I always did that thing, I
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: asked backwards and I did was I said, well, I
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: look at a movie and I said, okay, uh I
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: I that's how it is. And I I look at
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: the script that's been midden by somebody else, and I said, now,
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: the headline is always an interior exterior in the in
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: the place, in what day or night. Then he described
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: the scene and so, uh, let me see. Uh I
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: think that first time I wrote the script, wasn't the
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: low blow. He was a tiger's revenge or enforce him
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: death roll. Uh it's a faint movie, but different titles.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: And uh, I just come back from the Philippines after
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: made uh uh Merilie and Orions. I went to the
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: post office and stopped in California and I ran into
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: uh uh one of my uh my friends. You know,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: he's an insurance boker. So he said, hey, Leo, where
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: you've been. I am singing around and I said, I've
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: been to Philippines making a movie. And I said, hey,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: by the way, you know I can make movies for
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: about thirty five or forty thousand dollars in the Philippines
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: and they looked like two hundred five hundred thousand dollars movies,
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: he said, He said, you won't make a little bit
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: of money times do it now? So here's all these
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: martial arts movies coming out. When marsh Arson, so he said, hey,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: why don't you come in and and then meet my partner,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: said his name Michael bad Way. I joined forces where
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: he's my he's an attorney and and so we're doing
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: stuff together. So I went there and he he introduced me,
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: and so Michael had taken a lessons from me, even
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: karate before and so you know, both of Michael's Michael Sullivan.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: And then Michael bad Way said, this is Michael bad Way.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: So he said yeah, I said, Mike killing me, you know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: and you make movies. I said yeah. I said, you know,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: if you didn't come up with some money, I said,
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: we can go Philippines and make make a good movie.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: You know, I'll make a movie that makes money with
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: a lot of karate in it. He said that was hot.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Right then all the drive ins had five fingers of
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Death and all that stuff, and uh. And then so anyway,
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: I told him, and he's listening, and he said, well,
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: let me see what I can do. I got a
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: couple of clients, got money. You know, we can come
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: up with twenty five thirty thousand, you know, I said, man,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Philippines about Max Potatoes, and we got a movie. And
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: a few days later, not a bad Way called me
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: up and he said, hey, Leo, I won't do it.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: I got I can get ten thousand dollars from miss
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: guy he does trucking company stocking, and uh if I
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: and I think I've amazed the fifteen thousand and twenty
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: five would be enough when it well, if we get
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: a door adventure, I think there would be enough. And
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: so so he said. Then later he says, I think
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: that thatnother one's going to put a couple more bucks,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: you know. And then and uh so walk you and
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Mike go to Philippines with the Tim grant and see
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: what you can do. While we did that, and the
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: second day I was there, I got knocks from my
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: door and uh he was production manager for uh for
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: uh uh uh what do you call it? That? Uh
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: the movie that he shadow there kind of title kind
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: of passed me in but uh uh uh who is
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: the guy that did for Godfather? Oh so princes, Yeah,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: a couple of couple of and he did a movie there,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: uh war movie and in the Philippines that this guy
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: was a uh production man joined and he said, hey, Leo,
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: I I got a guy who's got his father just
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: died and he inherited the money and he wants to
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: put his paysover into an international production. I said, you
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: came in the right place, man, I said, I got U.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: I said I got maybe half million paysolds. I didn't
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: tell him I got ten thousand dollars. I just said
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: half million and payshovers. He said. He says, let's let's
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: meet for lunch. I did n't meet for lunch. He
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: might be the guy you want. You're the guy he
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: wants to see. So we went to lunch and we
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: talked and and so he said, let's let's let's start
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: a contract tomorrow. I'm interested. So we did, and so
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: we did uh enforce him death row UH with the
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Dawn venture. I used all the paysholds first, and then
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: we shot from us scenes and I used my dollars.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: We didn't have to. You raised the other money ten
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars. Did it and Uh and came back and
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: the movie was shot to her lesson Pristalph Grand and
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: it made about two hundred thousand dollars. And I ended
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: distributed the thing with a friend of mine who was
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: in the distribution do Calvo Toboole. He went to h Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Florida. Yeah,
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: and then uh, and that's that's that was the beginning
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: of the history of my movie making. And then of
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: course one thing that at another, and then I was
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: shooting a movie every every year.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that that's the uh. And that's
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: a great way to actually be able to go to
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: town to town because you know, even in like the
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: thirties and the forties in America, that's the way you know,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: they used to to to exhibit movies. You know, they
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: used to go around like that. And you know, I
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: know a few filmmakers who such as Kevin Smith today,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: they were doing things like that. They were actually just
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: you know, showing us from town to town too. And
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: then so local local venues. And then but now you know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: obviously you were promoted online and then you know, that's
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: that's the way they spread the word. But and you know,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: and so when you were writing Low Blow, you know,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: what what was some of your your inspirations for the
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: for the movie, you know, sort of like the you know,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: the writing and the field the movie.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: Well, I will think you is I I I thought
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: about uh, it's private investigator. He's kind of sloppy, like
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: uh uh, what was that Uh god, I have problems
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: memory space. But that that pella that they trying to
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: sloppy uh Glumbo, Yeah Tlumbo? So what is his name? Glumbo?
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: And I I I took a page from that, like
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: could Joe Wong? Is this a sloppy guy driving old
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: beat of a car and but he ain't nobody to
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: mess with? And that's how it got started. And so
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: uh so we we decide used as a plot the
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: uh a camp uh off of uh Jim Jones uh
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: disaster in Jonestown. So so that that and then then
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: Cameron Mitchell played the Jim Jones type of character. Uh
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: he was kind of nutty. And then uh then we
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: had a cousois who was in uh colored purple with
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: Hoopie Coolberg and uh and she was that was his friend.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: So he said, hey, you want to have an Academy
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Award actress or not me? I said yeah, So I
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: didn't know who uh Acuzoi was Kuzia and her father
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: was diplomatic in Africa, and uh so she was in
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: it and she played his girlfriend uh cohart and in
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: in uh in low blow. Uh yeah, and and so
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: uh so I I I uh uh he had a
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: friend of mine had a Rose Royce and we doctor
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: decorated up and there they wore robes, white robes and stuff,
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: and she thrown him and drive camera mitchew up there
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: and the like. He was a celebrity.
• 50:00
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• 50:06
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• 50:09
  Speaker 4: And they had this camp, so well I got this
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: push from that, and and mainly the character was Glumbo.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, you know you mentioned one of my
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: favorite things about about Joe Wang, your character you played
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: was that car he drove because it would never start
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: and he always had to beat the engine and and
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: uh he always got the parking tickets.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, back seat full of parking tickets. And I
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: bought that car for a hundred, one hundred and twenty
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: five bucks off the off the uh at my mechanics
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: place he had their cars and then I said, that's
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: the idea was red It resonated in the color and
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: junkie looking, and I said, how's this car? He said, well,
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: you know it's got to motor in it, but you know,
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: the uh, the body looks kind of shitty. You know,
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: I did, Well, how much you want for he said,
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: twenty five cast. I said, okay, why be a money
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: twenty five cash and took it he laughing. I said
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: they wanted good they were rowing oh and then uh,
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: but had a good motor in it. And then the
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: the problem is it was a bad sauce in the
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: uh uh the smoke would come through the floorboard when
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: you're driving. Almost took the desk and then uh and
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I finally give it. I didn't give away. I philted
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: some guy for seventy five bucks. Yeah. Uh yeah.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: And one of my other favorite gags too was when
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Joe when Joe Wang would would always end up hitting
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: the car into things like the barrier and he ran
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: over the divider.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he was a bad uh he was. He
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: lived up to the sale type of Asian trying to drive.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: The movie was prapers, you know. And I would cuss
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: the thing in Chinese and uh and and so. But
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: the movie did well. He did not three million dollars
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: at the box office. And some of these second the
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: second or eight thiters, you know, and they and then
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: when I was a can Film festival, a guy and
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: I'm a kind of pusher sent the Rosslock movie. I
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: just directed head in uh fight to wind. It came
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: to the title something else I don't know, and then
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: he comes up and he stood there and watched it.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: He said, so you in that movie. I said no,
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: I said, I directed it. He said, uh, he said,
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: well too bad. You know. I said, let me ask
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: you if I was in the movies, what happens? I'd
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: buy it? Said I. You know, I bought a low
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: Blow and and I I did a lot of good
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: business with it in Japan. And I said, oh, I see.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: So he said, well, anyway, hopefully next time you make
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: a move in that movie and then I'll be day
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: buy it. I said, okay, And and you.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Did, because you ended up making the sequel to Low Blow,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: called Blood.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: Street, Blood Street, that's right. Yeah. I had written to
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Norton in it. Yeah, and it did good. It didn't uh,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: it went limited engagement theatrical but uh, but it did
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: real good business and video, you know, in overseas. It
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: did good in both seas, and uh, that was one
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: of my favorite dude, but Street.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just bought the a rare VHS
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: copy of that for about thirty five bucks. Oh really, yes,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: because I found out there was a library in Maine
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: that actually had it on sale through Amazon, and I
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: couldn't find anywhere else and I saw it, and I
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: so I got it. And it has all these you know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: rental stickers on it because you know all those rental
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: houses are you know, they're out of business now. So
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: so I ended up getting that. So I actually, uh,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I actually have the VHS copy, and so I had
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: a bust about your v v c R.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I U. I usually what I'm doing now is
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: taking these VCRs dominated this place uh death plans for
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: and he'll put it into DVDs.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, making these things, you know, yeah, because I mean
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: technology analysis has come so far because I actually have
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: the same thing at my office, and I was like,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: you know, now I want to put Blood Street on
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Blu rays, just not for selling obviously, just for myself.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna have I'm gonna have a two pack
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: of a Blood Street, A Blood Street and low Blow.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: Oh that's great, yeah, yeah, because uh, kill Point did
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: real good business and uh that's really a big story there.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: In fact, I'm gonna sit down and I'm going to
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: write a book on on uh uh on movie making
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: and and and the cattle story for each one, each
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: one story. Each movie had a story. And because I
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: raised fun for every movie, you know, and uh and
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: how I made money for uh Lets Street was was
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: shot for fifty thousand dollars. And there was a guy
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: who wanted to get involved in movie making. And he
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: had a friend that that uh you know, did real well.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: They owned a cannon company in stocktond and so he
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: he was the class made of the University of Pacific,
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: and he came over and I told him about the
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: movie making, and I said it it was high risk,
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: but then you know, if you want to invest, it's great.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: I got the story you know we're gonna do and
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: they all they wanted was credit for it. And then
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: they gave me a picture grand he shot at and
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: uh and made some money back, but I wouldn't say
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: that we got back. Uh. And I did another movie,
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: UH call Last Reunion, and UH, that one made some
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: money for me. I made that Uh the first time
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: I went around and made the sales, I made about
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: sixty thousand dollars. And then uh, about five years later,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: a guy called me up to the leo. Uh. Uh,
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: my name is uh Blad Blah Blair. I uh, uh
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: you know I'm friend of Frank Johnson. He and I
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: did the thing. He was a camera guy and and
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: uh he says, uh, I have money for you, And
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: I said, Seymour. He made seymore summer. I said, how
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: much money you have for me? So I got thirty
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: five thousand dollars and that was It's like out of nowhere,
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: you know, be surprised for money, I said. He said
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: that what I did was I able to collect the
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: money from this company. And you talked to use the
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: Last Reunion. That's one of the five movies that raised
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: puns for well, uh one of them distribution companies and uh.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: And so I went and got to thirty five grand
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: and I said, how much you're gonna get summer? He
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: said three thousand. So getting got three thousands that I had, uh,
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: you know, uh split the rest with Frank Donson. I
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: called Frank Donson the one day and I said, Nik,
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: and you got a spot for you. How would you
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: like to have a few bucks? You know? But he
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: was happy and he became nowle camera I directed in
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: one of the top television cvs. I'm back in the nineties,
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: you know, because he had gone literally move up in
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: the business.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: You know, and I think that is a great idea,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: master fong to to create a filmmaking book, because you know,
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: I have a I know you can't see it right
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: now obviously, but behind me is just a library of
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: all types of filmmaking books. And you know, one thing
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: that I've learned over the years is about financing and
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: stuff like that from from puffero sources. But it's always
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: just interesting to hear, uh, because there's never in the
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: filmmaking business, you know, there's never one way to do anything.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: There's never one way to raise money, and there's always
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm always interested in hearing all these you know,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: innovative ways, interesting ways about how somebody funded a film. Uh.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: You know, I've had a for instance, I had one
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: filmmaker on here and this is this is you know
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: you mentioned in filmmaking his high risk. He actually ended
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: up losing his house because of it.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, you don't put your house.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: There are certain things you don't do. Yeah, you get
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: other people's money. And he don't mind. I raised money
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: for another movie. I think it was bad Bootchap, Bad
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: boot Wop. Uh No blind Rage and and and so
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: five Blind Guys Robbing a bank and and and uh
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: so was one of the guys in there, uh one
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: of the black guys and there he was a minister.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: He's a good friend of mine and I featured church
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: a few times, and he had a good friends in
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: trucking business in Richmond. So he said, well, let me
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: go check with the UH with this friend of mine.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: And so he had me in his office. He said, well, I,
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm going to give you the money because
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: of my friendship with Booker, and I'm pay you something.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you five grand and and and uh.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: I don't expect to get it back if you're doing
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: your best, but if you don't do your best, I'm
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: gonna be really upset. I said, okay, But we finished
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: the movie and then we had a premiere showing in
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: uh San Francisco, a special screening, So I invited him there.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: He looked at the movie and he was really happy.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: He said, Hey, I'm glad I invested in down the Road.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: Do you need more money? Let me know. You see,
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: he didn't care about getting the money about. He just
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: wanted to see that we did it. Uh. Sincere and
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: and and uh and and and uh and good and
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: taint and do our best. That's all he wanted. He
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: didn't want us to go there and squander the money
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: away and end up with a piece of craft.
• 59:59
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• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great because he was investing in you
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: and that that's such a great story.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah. And then so when you go to Lai's money,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: don't try prime people because if you run into somebody
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: who's really too well, I know this guy's got a dream,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna help him realize it. See and uh and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: so that's why the book would have some uh uh
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: a depth to it because of that that kind of
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: I think when you go into ask for investors, make
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: sure you got the right motive. But uh, you know,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: uh motivation as well as uh believing in the in
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: the in their ovasion, you know.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. And you know with the advent of crowdfunding, now,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: you know, one thing you know I always talk about
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: is is you know, making sure that your project is
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: as good as it can be because I think a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: lot of filmmakers now you know, race too quickly to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: try to get a movie made without you know, realizing
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: the script has to be good. They have to. You know,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: it's putting a lot of things in places, and it's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: like putting together a puzzle and you know you have
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: to sort of you know, get every little piece and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: then you sort of move because your filmmaking is you know,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: it's like moving an army because you know you're moving
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: you know, some film some films have like, you know,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: hundreds of people because you know there there's different crew
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: and cast, and your other films there's a there's a
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: smaller bit, but it's still you know, it's it's like
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: moving this massive amount of people and getting all coordinated
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: and getting all seen the vision. And you know that's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: why you know, with with crowd funding, the same as
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: you know, finding equity crowd you know equity uh funding,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: it's you know, always making sure that you know everything
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: is as best as it can be.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. You have to and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: uh well I I you know, I learned quite a
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: bit doing it on my own, you know, because at
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: the beginning, when you don't have too much money, you
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: depend on people. They jerked around and actually, well you know,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: like uh uh when I went to the phil feed
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: and and uh and and and uh uh I got
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: to pull you know, uh I sponsored him move here later.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: But uh but I I didn't appreciate the fact that
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: uh that I had him directed from. And he he
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: pushed his old car he owned on me and uh
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: uh he wanted to splash it up, I mean uh
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: and he wanted to do a scene in Low Blue,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, uh Tier's revenge. Well, he had a clamp,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: you know, flying helicopter and clamped the clamped the thing
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: on the car and drive it into the sea. I said, well,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: that's not going to happen, you know, in real our life.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: You throw on the brake, that helicopter will come crashing down.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: But but but he wanted to get rid of that car. Well,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: I said, you know how much you want for the car?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: He said, oh, uh, you know, twenty five thirty thousand payos,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: you know, and Phil came twenty five thirty thousand paces,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: So it was like twenty five thirty thousand dollars. And
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: even though it may be much less. So he kept
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: saying he didn't want to build it unless he did
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: do the movie. Until he had me halfway through the thing.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: And I had not directed anything before and and and
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: he says, uh uh. Halfway through it, he said he
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: wasn't going to do it if I didn't go wrong,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: get do our scene. But he kind of put it
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: done to my head and I said, okay, go ahead
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: and do it. Then I'll pay you for your car.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: And and but I forgave him in a way. I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: bought him back over here when he his family wanted
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: to come over here and need a sponsor. I sponsored him.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: And he's over here with a green card. And so
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: I did another movie with him. But then I wasn't
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: too happy, and I stayed away from me, and he
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: was looking for me not too long pull and then
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: some of my associates said, no, he's not here. He
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: went out somewhere. He didn't come back. But the because
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: he pulled a Shenanigan on me. The logo, I mean,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: Tigert's Avenger enforcing death rolls my second movie. So I said,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna learn how to direct. That's what I said.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: I said, I'm gonna replace it, and and and and
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: so what I did was I, uh, I kind of
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: the actor as a system director to uh, my friendly
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: directed a low glow and I kind of watched him
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: and had him tell me some stuff and and then
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: I found out the ladyer said, all you gotta do
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: is just uh well, uh, you know, be aware of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: camera angles and uh uh and and this act. And
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: I learned from camera Mitchell because he used to and
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: and kill point. He used to sit right on the
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: side line and watch me saying my lines, and he
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: would say, hey, will throw it away. I said, what
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: do you mean throwing it away? He said, you know,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: uh marmando. I said, yeah, he's a good doctor. I said,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: what makes a great actor. He said, he gows his
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: lines away. I said, yeah, but he mumbles. People don't
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: understand what he said sometimes, and he said, who gives
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: a ship I got. I learned a lot fromhim. He
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: humorous that I understand what it's talking about, because I
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: had a tendency uh before. I took lessons from him,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: uh to raise my voice and go too high. He said,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: you got to kind of drop it down. You got
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: to feel the lines you see, and then so and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: then and then it changes my whole thing. I didn't
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: look when I see myself on the screen. After that,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: I wasn't as embarrassed as as was before. Yeah, I
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: was embarrassed. I would like Jim Kelly and is Melinda
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: his first movie? If you had seen the movie Melinda?
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: He laughed because Jim Kelly was saying, hey, boss, come here.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: He got to hide his voice. He was just too high,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: too pitch. But difference between things acting and movie acting
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: is opposite. Stay back and you will project and uh.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: In movie acting, you want to uh communicate feeding and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: the eyes tells the story.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you always learn more by doing right. And
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: you know that was so great. You had to learn
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: from camera and you have to learn, you know, uh,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: directing while you know, uh while on set, you know, watching,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: and you know that is you know, and that that
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: is irreplaceable. That that type of you know, learning and
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: that type of training.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is. You learn by doing. And that's
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: that's how I learned, even preaching. I went to seminary
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: for three years after my uh BA degree, and and
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: the only way I learned it was just making mistakes
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: and and and finally I said, well, a lot of
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: people in the seminary says, you don't ever want to
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: use this manuscript. You want to get up and and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: really communicate with the audience. And and I was forgetting
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of stuff. So I said, no, I'm gonna
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: run out of preach from the manuscript rather than read
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: from a manuscript, I'll preach from manuscript. And Wow, that
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: changed the whole thing. When I got through a service,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: people compliment me, So you've got a great sermon because
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: I did not omitting anything, and yet I was able
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: to to to depend on that manuscript. But I didn't
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: need it. I preached for it. And and so you'll find, uh,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: you know, different nifties and different uh uh tricks in
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: the trade when you start doing it, when you start
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: reading and trying to get advice from everybody, uh, you
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: get you know, taggle up and all that uh uh
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: opinion that stuff.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: You know, it's sort of like how how Bruce told
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: you you know this is my way. You have to
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: find your own way.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, and and and I really uh
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: like that, but but not do it my way. You know,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: you're kind of almost unbeatable killing you.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Know, uh master Funk you mentioned, Uh there's something I
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: meant I forgot to ask you about Low Blow. Uh
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: there's a there's a scene in there, uh where you
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: know were your character Joe Wong. He's he's fighting through
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: the cult and and one scene really stands out, and
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: that's the scene where U, I believe you you either
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: stomped or punched the one of the henchman's head and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: his head sort of collapsed.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to ask, you know, uh, you know,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: if you don't mind, I again, I'm a big fan
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: of the movie. Is you know, how did you guys
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: do that? And and two uh, you know, you know,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: was that in the script or was that something that
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: sort of just came on set as sort of like
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: a spur of the moment type saying.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: It was further Mome wanted to see what happened was
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: some guy had a plastic head on the set and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: I said, I'd be interesting and uh and he said
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: you can have it, and you want to do what?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: I said, what if I destroy it? I don't care,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: So I said, I'd be what I gotta. I got
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: an idea, I said to the camera guy. I said, Frank,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: I want to send somebody down to the meat shop
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: and get some mean stuffered in his head. If I'm
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: gonna lay this head down, and what I want to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: do is throw this guy. And if you throw him.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: Your mind, your ears, your vision is on him getting thrown.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: And then now you cut to my heat smashing his
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: heads already there and you won't see that he's not
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: connecting this body. Yeah. See, so that's how we do it.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: We pull a trick. There. He look like I got smashed,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: you know, he hit the floor and then I stopped
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: and smashed his head. But it was full of full
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: of hamburger meat. Yeah, that's how we did it. You
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: want a minute the script, you know it just made
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: up that scene.
• 1:09:58
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• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: The camam is that he smacked my car time blah
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: blah blah.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: That's three because you did cut apart his car with
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: that uh.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: With with the saw, yeah yeah, with the saw. Yeah
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: that that car blonde. The camera guy he said, out
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: of water. You want to the story, I said, well,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: looks good, uh power saw saw that thing and half
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: that would be a pretty good scene. Yeah. Yeah, it
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: was fun. It was fun making that Moviebody had fun. Yeah.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could tell because it was enjoyment to watch too.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: And I could tell when when people enjoy themselves making
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: the movie.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: Uh, it shows.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: It definitely shows on screen.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly you know about that, you know,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: and no Eagle involved in Yeah.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Uh so you know, Master Funk. I I know I've
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: been talking your ear off for over an hour, now,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: you know. I and I thank you so much for
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: coming on the show. So I definitely want to have
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: you back sometime if you if you ever want to,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: uh to come back on.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: Oh excellent, Thank you so so much. And you know,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask, you know, this is what I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: always I always ask this question anybody to all my guests,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: is do you have any you know, closing thoughts or
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: or you know, anything you want to say just to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: sort of you know, put that you know, period at
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: the end of this interview.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah. My my thought is that you've got to keep
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: those things perspective and uh, you know, uh, you can't
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: take it was that serious. And I believe that humility
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: and integrity or two things that we have to have
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: and and and I try to live up to that
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: and and the whole whole thing in life is not
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: to be serious but to be funny, to have fun
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: and and uh and uh and in our relationship, tip
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: of each other uh, and understand that we're in the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: martial arts to our family, and we don't need to
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: go challenging people. You know, I have people, uh some
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: of these guys uh and Wington has wrong struct you
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: want to come down cut hands with me and all
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: that stuff. And I I tell my students, said, he's
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: gonna be surprised. I don't touch hands like they think
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna cut hands. Think of the face, I said.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: But but I I I'd rather make friends than make enemies.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: And I and I think we have to keep our
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: uuh martial art uh introspective and and you know it's
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: something that we can do in movies and then in
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: fitness and all that. It's a great uh great uh
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: uh uh path to travel and and I think we
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: need to value it like a lack of religion. That's
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  Speaker 4: very well, yeah, what I have to say. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: was gonna say I'm sorry for optic guy. I was
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  Speaker 4: gonna say, it's very well put uh master fong Uh.
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  Speaker 3: That's very true. And I wanted to ask you to
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  Speaker 3: uh so, where can people find you out online?
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  Speaker 4: We'll go to uh leo t funk dot dot com.
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  Speaker 4: Uh Leo t dot phone dot com is my uh
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  Speaker 4: my email address. And there's a website called Leo Tfong
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  Speaker 4: uh a Leelfong dot com. And uh and there's a
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  Speaker 4: I have a website you know with products are on
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  Speaker 4: and stuff. Yeah, I don't really coach time selling thing.
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  Speaker 4: It had my biography in there and and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent, And again I'll link to that in the
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  Speaker 3: show notes.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: So for everyone who wants to find Masterfoon online. Uh, Masterfong. Again,
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  Speaker 3: I want to say thank you very much for for
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  Speaker 3: you know, uh graciously giving me some of your time
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  Speaker 3: to talk on this show. And again, please, whenever you
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  Speaker 3: know you ever want to come back on, please just
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  Speaker 3: let me know and I would be you know, happy
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  Speaker 3: and honored to have you on again.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, thank you, thank you more than welcome.
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  Speaker 3: And again and if I that book, I can't wait
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  Speaker 3: to read that filmmaking book.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, good, I'll let you know.
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  Speaker 3: All right, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 4: All right, you welcome.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Matt Master fine, have a great night and
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  Speaker 3: I will talk to you very soon.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you too, Thank you.
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