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Heavier Territory With LEIGH KAKATY From POP EVIL · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Next five No, but you never know. Enmas contra.
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  Speaker 2: D tell you hit me on the darn.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. What's up y'all?
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  Speaker 4: Leekakati here from the band Pop Evil, and we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about our eighth studio album, if you can believe it,
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  Speaker 4: eight already and the album is called.
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  Speaker 5: What Remains Beautiful. Lay thanks for joining us today.
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  Speaker 3: It's good to be back, man. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 3: again for having me.
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  Speaker 5: My absolutely pleasure.
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  Speaker 6: So poppy even released your eighth studio album, What Remains
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  Speaker 6: back on March of twenty first.
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  Speaker 5: Bro, So, how's the earlier response.
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  Speaker 4: Faint been through the roof? I mean the feedback has
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  Speaker 4: been incredible. I mean arguably the best feedback we've ever had.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a bit of new territory for us. We're
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  Speaker 4: just kind of again it's only been out for about
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  Speaker 4: a weeks, just trying to just be humble about it
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  Speaker 4: and just focus on this next tool we have coming
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  Speaker 4: up and just full speed ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Man, everything about this new eighth album.
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  Speaker 6: I have to write albums like does it still matter
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  Speaker 6: to you as much what the public perception is?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 6: That have to come a stage where you just know
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  Speaker 6: that you're doing the basic conding for yourself, and that's
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  Speaker 6: so all of the matters early, wouldn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think it's a you know, an
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  Speaker 4: honest answer is a bit of both, you know. I mean, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: when you make music for a living, you want people
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  Speaker 4: to like it, clearly, But I mean, at the same
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  Speaker 4: point with this album, there was a lot of just
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  Speaker 4: me being me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a therapeutic album for me.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of mental health issues that I've dealt with
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  Speaker 4: for my whole career that I buried.
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  Speaker 3: I really, I didn't even realize I buried for as
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  Speaker 3: long as I have.
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  Speaker 4: Just kind of came out and the band, being as
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  Speaker 4: close as we have probably ever been, really put me
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  Speaker 4: in a position with support to be able to even
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  Speaker 4: just do this in the first place. Once the band
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  Speaker 4: kind of gave me their blessing, it was just important
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  Speaker 4: for me and just to just get this off my
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  Speaker 4: chest and just see where it went and whether it
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  Speaker 4: was going to be pop evil music or not.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't. I got to a point where I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: even really thinking about that.
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  Speaker 4: It was just like, let's just see what comes out,
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  Speaker 4: shut my eyes, see what my soul has to say,
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  Speaker 4: and then worry about the album kind of after that
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  Speaker 4: and just kind of wasn't really was trying my best
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  Speaker 4: anyway not to overthink things, you know, eighth album. In
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  Speaker 4: this point in my career, it's like, look like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we know what we're capable of.
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  Speaker 3: We just need to prove it, you know. We need
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  Speaker 3: to just.
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  Speaker 4: Remind people that not only do we have a melodic side,
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  Speaker 4: but we do have a heavy side. That's what the
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  Speaker 4: pop evil has always stood for. It's a balance melodic with.
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  Speaker 3: Our heavy and metal influence, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I just think, you know, kind of coming in
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  Speaker 4: in the time we did it rock radio here in
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  Speaker 4: the US, heavy music, it was just a different place.
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  Speaker 4: It didn't get played the same way. There wasn't a
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  Speaker 4: place for it the way that there is now in
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  Speaker 4: the streaming world, you know, like you can have song
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  Speaker 4: stream and go further than even radio singles do nowadays.
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  Speaker 4: So it's just it's just kind of it's it's so
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  Speaker 4: many different options. And with these younger bands two on
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  Speaker 4: the come up, everyone's been a little bit everything, and
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  Speaker 4: everyone seems to be heavier and whatnot. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: we're definitely not afraid now to pick up our guitars
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  Speaker 4: and it's it's uh. It just feels like it's the
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  Speaker 4: right time for pop Able to really dive in and
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  Speaker 4: focus on our guitars and our tones and just making
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  Speaker 4: sure these songs are upbeat, hitting, and again even the
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  Speaker 4: album right, it doesn't We don't need a long, long album,
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  Speaker 4: just thirty four minutes. Let people get in and get
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  Speaker 4: out and remind them that we're here, We're not going anywhere,
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  Speaker 4: And to be honest, it's the best version of Popeople
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  Speaker 4: that we've ever put out. So we like to think
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  Speaker 4: the same thing, and you know, we just got to
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  Speaker 4: prove it now and just get out there and make
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  Speaker 4: sure our live show, which is where all our focus is.
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  Speaker 4: But make sure that live show is hitting on all
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  Speaker 4: cylinders and making sure that with these songs sound incredible
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  Speaker 4: live and when people do come see us live, they
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  Speaker 4: can really now take ownership on this album.
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  Speaker 5: Very nice. You released the single side Effects, Wishful Thinking,
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  Speaker 5: death Walk and What Remains, So just say somebody has
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  Speaker 5: only heard those songs on the radio, are they a
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  Speaker 5: good representation of the whole album?
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  Speaker 4: You know what, I get asked stuff about that I don't,
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  Speaker 4: I don't, I don't know. I'm not thinking about it
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  Speaker 4: like that, you know, I mean, I mean you have
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  Speaker 4: to listen to it yourself. If you like the four songs,
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  Speaker 4: you'll have to you guys have to tell me what
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  Speaker 4: the song sound like whatnot. I'm just making songs that
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  Speaker 4: are are when I'm writing these, honestly. If you if you,
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  Speaker 4: I guess the right way to respond is if you
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  Speaker 4: listen to those four singles that we put out and
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  Speaker 4: you're feeling like a little bit less weight has been lifted,
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  Speaker 4: you feel a little bit lighter, then I would definitely
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  Speaker 4: listen to the rest of the record because this album
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  Speaker 4: is about therapy. It's about you looking yourself in the
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  Speaker 4: mirror and being responsible for your actions, like you are the.
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  Speaker 3: Well you are? What's when the stuff hits the fan
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  Speaker 3: and there's nothing else left? What is? What is there?
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  Speaker 3: There's you?
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  Speaker 4: And you have that opportunity in life to really walk
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  Speaker 4: out that door every day and carry depression and negativity
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  Speaker 4: out on the world. Or you can choose to just
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  Speaker 4: put out a better version of yourself and to constantly
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  Speaker 4: try to chase perfection and to be better, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And so I would I would hold that challenge. Then
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  Speaker 4: the answer on that person listening like if you want
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  Speaker 4: to try to be better and you want to be
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  Speaker 4: influencelessen this record. I think it's a very powerful lyrical
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  Speaker 4: theme record to make a difference in someone's life, you know.
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  Speaker 4: But but if you're going there for judgment whatnot, and
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  Speaker 4: then that's that's on you. I don't know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't. I listened to the band very
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  Speaker 4: differently because I'm a part of it and I'm you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was saying leading it, So I don't but I'm
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  Speaker 4: not thinking about, yeah, we've sound like this or we
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  Speaker 4: sound like that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's up for you to tell me
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  Speaker 3: if the songs all sound the same, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the answer this question is pretty obviously if you've
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  Speaker 6: heard the album. But the press really says that what
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  Speaker 6: remains is bisonically and thematically Pop Evil's heaviest offering yet.
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  Speaker 5: Like I agree with that in spades.
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  Speaker 3: Do you. Yeah, No, it definitely is. It is. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we're aware of it. We understand that.
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  Speaker 4: Like you know, with the name Pop Evil, people have
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  Speaker 4: been saying for years for us that they want us,
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  Speaker 4: they want that heavier side of pop people back, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they want us explore it. And we just need to wait,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we had I had to wait for the
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  Speaker 4: right time for me, you know. And you look back
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  Speaker 4: all the way back on our third album, which was
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  Speaker 4: our kind of breakthrough album. You know, I just lost
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  Speaker 4: my father. I was in a really dark place, and
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the themes are it's heavier, it's darker,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and I just I couldn't. I couldn't live
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  Speaker 4: there off stage anymore, you know. So then you got
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  Speaker 4: I'd call it more alt influence pop evil, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, Like it just had to be lighter
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  Speaker 4: songs like Footsteps, be legendary songs that were really big
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  Speaker 4: for us, but they're more uplifting, man, They're more inspiring,
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  Speaker 4: you know. But now after COVID, you know, that darkness
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  Speaker 4: kind of crept back in, you know. I mean for musicians,
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  Speaker 4: I can speak for myself, a lot of anger, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of frustration, you know, it was kind of suddenly
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  Speaker 4: thrown back in our face, you know, and to harness that.
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  Speaker 3: And when you're when you're a leader of a project
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  Speaker 3: or your leader of.
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  Speaker 4: A band, like you don't have time to be depressed
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  Speaker 4: and to be you know, have to deal with mental
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  Speaker 4: health issues. You have to bury it, and you have
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  Speaker 4: to go to the next tour, you have to go
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  Speaker 4: to the next song, the next album, And then when
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  Speaker 4: you're in your personal life.
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  Speaker 3: You got to go to the next bill. You got
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  Speaker 3: to pay that.
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  Speaker 4: You got to be there for your family, your friends,
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  Speaker 4: like you got to be there, you know. So at
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  Speaker 4: some point, you know, I had a break, and before
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  Speaker 4: I broke the wrong way, I had to like just
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  Speaker 4: let it out. And it was clear when I started
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  Speaker 4: to set down and write this record, every time I
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  Speaker 4: shut my eyes, it.
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  Speaker 3: Would just come out. It would just come out.
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  Speaker 4: And luckily, you know, for me, you know, the band
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  Speaker 4: was in a great spot and we're super close together.
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  Speaker 4: It was like, look, you need to go down that
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  Speaker 4: road and just really see what comes out, because you
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  Speaker 4: obviously need to need to like get a lot of
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  Speaker 4: this off your chest. And I was like, man, I don't,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't. I'm fine, I'm fine. And
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  Speaker 4: then as we started to write more songs, it was
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  Speaker 4: I am what remains, I'm on my death walk. That was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm wishful thinking, you know, the bullet that
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  Speaker 4: missed zero to none. It was like constantly these things
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  Speaker 4: that were like just buried that just kind of had
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  Speaker 4: had to come out. And you know, and once you
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  Speaker 4: are supported like that off the stage, it just finally
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  Speaker 4: put me in a position to get a lot of
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  Speaker 4: that weight off my chest. And I just as soon
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  Speaker 4: as we were done with the record, I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: can't I never felt that. I mean, I felt I
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  Speaker 4: felt exhausted, but I felt finally in a better place
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  Speaker 4: emotionally that I was able to at least get that
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  Speaker 4: off my chest and hopefully put myself in a position
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  Speaker 4: to really with this, with this album, to really make
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  Speaker 4: a difference in a positive way in someone else's life.
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  Speaker 4: And that's always the true beauty of being in a band.
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  Speaker 4: And uh, when you can make a difference and and
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  Speaker 4: and write songs that matter and maybe help someone, it's
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  Speaker 4: it's a true gift and that in its own right there.
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  Speaker 6: I mentioned that you had that support of the band
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  Speaker 6: who did push you into making this like a personal
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  Speaker 6: album lyrically, Like once you got that support made like,
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  Speaker 6: did it flow out of you really quickly or was
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  Speaker 6: it was it was it hard to put those personal
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  Speaker 6: things paper.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tough.
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  Speaker 4: I want to say, probably took about a little over
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  Speaker 4: a year to really get all this stuff out, So
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  Speaker 4: it was it wasn't easy right away, and it took
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  Speaker 4: it took months to finally figure out, like, wow, like
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  Speaker 4: I'm really writing this about me. I didn't know because
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  Speaker 4: normally it's easier to write about other people or put
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  Speaker 4: yourself in someone else's shoes, you know. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to say it was easy, you know. But
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  Speaker 4: but once it started to we started to really harness
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  Speaker 4: and really understand about what I.
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  Speaker 3: Was trying to write.
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  Speaker 4: It was the support even came stronger from the band,
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  Speaker 4: from the management, from the label, and it was like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: well let's just uh, let's just see what comes out,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and I I just every time I seemed
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  Speaker 4: to shut my eyes though it was just more healing,
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  Speaker 4: more stuff that like, wow, I guess let's see, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And in some of these songs, I had no intention
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  Speaker 4: of ever releasing. I just wanted to get it out.
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  Speaker 4: But the more the band supported, the more they were like, wow,
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  Speaker 4: like we need to we need to release this. This
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  Speaker 4: should be pop evil, you know, because a lot of
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  Speaker 4: times when I write, I'm not always writing for Pop Evil.
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  Speaker 3: I'm writing for myself and just kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Like just just enjoying the the the art of being
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  Speaker 4: able to write lyrics like what comes out, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And then but once the band started to support it
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  Speaker 4: and really wanted to kind of make these pop evil songs,
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  Speaker 4: it was h it was exciting, you know.
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  Speaker 3: At first it was a little bit shocking, and.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, I just maybe we should
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  Speaker 4: write some other stuff, you know. But but then once
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  Speaker 4: we really started to grasp it and the artwork started
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  Speaker 4: to take shape, because I would really start to talk
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  Speaker 4: about how I felt like in this day and age,
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  Speaker 4: how constantly people are trying to be pitted against each other, right, Like,
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  Speaker 4: that's not why I came into this business.
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  Speaker 3: I needed.
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  Speaker 4: I need other people in my life. I love having
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  Speaker 4: other people in my life. I wanted to I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to be a singer because in a band, because I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to sing with other people in a group. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: if you've been to a popular show, they're very crowd evolved,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of singing back to each other, we're singing together.
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  Speaker 4: It's just to me, it's like church, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean, like not even religious question. Music has always
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  Speaker 4: been my religion, you know. So it's like when you
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  Speaker 4: get with your with your band family and everyone's playing
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  Speaker 4: and singing along. That always kind of was my was
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  Speaker 4: my release, you know, So it just it just kind
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  Speaker 4: of I think, you know, looking back. Sorry, I'm trying
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  Speaker 4: to think about it as we go. It just it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't It wasn't always easy, but you know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: here we are diving in and just kind of wasn't
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  Speaker 4: trying to Oh yeah, the artwork, I'm sorry, but the artwork,
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  Speaker 4: when you look at the artwork the volcano and the
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  Speaker 4: artwork on the album cover is so metaphorical to human
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  Speaker 4: beings and where I feel human beings are right.
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  Speaker 3: Now in the world.
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  Speaker 4: Like I think as good as people are, even we
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  Speaker 4: are all one life event away from eruption. It's like
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  Speaker 4: we're all on the edge, whether it's our finance, whether
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  Speaker 4: it's our family, whether it's our personal mental health issues.
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  Speaker 4: Like one event boom, next thing, you know, you're taking
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  Speaker 4: it out on someone you regret, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought it was important to remind people to
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  Speaker 4: walk with gratitude this album, to remind them that when
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  Speaker 4: the thickened thing about this record is when all the
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  Speaker 4: shit hits a fan, when all that other stuff happens
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  Speaker 4: to you in your life? What is left you yourself,
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  Speaker 4: not about your friends, your peers, your family around you.
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  Speaker 4: It's you looking back in the mirror at yourself in
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  Speaker 4: the morning, every day, or whenever you decide to look
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  Speaker 4: at yourself in the mirror and looking back at you.
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  Speaker 4: You know, are you going to leave your house that
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  Speaker 4: day and take it out on someone by you know,
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  Speaker 4: sending negativity out there? Are you going to try to
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  Speaker 4: walk and become that better version of yourself or every
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  Speaker 4: day and try to attain that right, try to be better?
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  Speaker 4: And you know, we aren't anything in this world without
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  Speaker 4: someone else. You know, I don't want to put I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to do something to harm someone that might
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  Speaker 4: be around me in my life or that I don't
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  Speaker 4: know yet that can actually make a difference in helping
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  Speaker 4: me grow my personal journey or help me in a
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  Speaker 4: positive way.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's crazy how when you think about
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  Speaker 4: you know, maybe you have a heart attack, you're on
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  Speaker 4: your deathbed, and here you're not going to think about
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  Speaker 4: that doctor being any political resemblance.
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to think about what that doctor likes
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  Speaker 3: or doesn't like, or what you know.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to think about gosh, this guy saved my
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  Speaker 4: life and he put whatever he could forward to try
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  Speaker 4: to help you. At that point, it doesn't matter what
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  Speaker 4: you are, what you look like, what skin color you are.
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  Speaker 4: It matters that it's a human connection there, that we're
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  Speaker 4: all similar in the way that we're all trying to
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  Speaker 4: better ourselves. We're all trying to get to move forward
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  Speaker 4: in life. We're all trying to be better. But the
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  Speaker 4: reality is the only thing really for a lot of
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  Speaker 4: us that's consistent. Sometimes family isn't. Doctors, lawyers, friends not consistent.
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  Speaker 4: All it can't count on. But the one thing we
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  Speaker 4: can always count on is the music. Now you pop
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  Speaker 4: it on, it's consistent, it's the same. And we wanted
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  Speaker 4: to make sure with pop Evil that we're not only
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  Speaker 4: trying to grow and challenge ourself, but we're trying to
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  Speaker 4: be consistent now more than ever, to really hone in
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  Speaker 4: on that identity for pop Evil and remind them that, hey.
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  Speaker 3: We're here for you.
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  Speaker 4: We're working for our fans to make sure we can
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  Speaker 4: be better and to hopefully deliver better albums even moving forward.
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  Speaker 4: And we like to think that this album was a
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  Speaker 4: step in the right direction for that, but I.
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  Speaker 5: Asked Brian, Like in the hull rotting that whole ye?
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  Speaker 6: Do you writing about these personal things like you would
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  Speaker 6: have been very vulnerable at stages Like now it's out
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  Speaker 6: and the world's heard it, does it make you feel
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  Speaker 6: better or is it worse?
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  Speaker 5: Like knowing that the world knows one of your personal stuff?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, it's still only a week old, so
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  Speaker 4: I haven't I haven't spent a lot of time thinking
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  Speaker 4: of that. I think that really starts to shape up
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  Speaker 4: when you start playing these songs live, because then you
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: can really see firsthand.
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: Like right now, it's simple. I mean, even though we've
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: had a lot of great feedback.
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: It's just social media comments, right, Like, I don't listen
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: to them anymore if they're positive or negative. Right, it's
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: just just just kind of a short fix. Someone likes
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: your record, cool, someone doesn't like you.
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: Whatever, you go on to the next.
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: But when you play live for someone, or you do
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: a meet and greet with someone and you see people
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: face to face and they're like, oh my god, like
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: I really like the album's really amazing, and you can
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: see the react because people's eyes don't lie necessarily, right, Like,
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: you see the reactions you're like, oh, wow, like wow,
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: we're making a difference in someone's life, you know what
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, even though you might like the record now, well,
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: are you gonna like it six months from now?
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: Are you gonna like it a year from now?
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: And if you do, imagine how much more people might
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: like the record. And we know that from some of
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: our past successes, like the people that are Dinner fans
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: for a long time and they love the old stuff.
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: It's incredible when they love the old because now it's
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: become a part of their lives. So as these songs
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: start to these newer songs become older and they become
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: a part of people's lives, it's really awesome to see
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: and maybe then you can really be like wow, like
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: we're making a difference in someone's life. Right now, it's
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: still all kind of new and just kind of like,
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: you know, your numb because the album, any kind of
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: release is a little numbing because it's emotional.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: You're used to the songs being your own and now
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: you're giving them out again.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: It's a little kind of a there's definitely a part
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: of that where you're like, no, these are my songs.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: And even though people are giving you kind feedback. You're like,
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: I don't care what, No, these are my songs. You're
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: not supposed to hear these yet, you know. But no, No,
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: that's right, they're not mine anymore.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: You have to get used to They're like kids, right
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: when you go out to college or something. You're like, Okay,
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: you gotta.
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: Let them grow up.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: You know. It's just kind of the same thing with songs.
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: You got to let them do the thing. Now they're
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: not yours anymore. So I think it's a little new
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: and still early for me to really truly answer that.
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: But but yeah, I mean it's it's it's it's rewarding
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: and nerve wrecking. I mean, I think it's it's it's
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: a little bit of both and and uh, you know,
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: sometimes you forget because obviously I wrote this album about
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: a year about almost a year ago now, so it's
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: been it's been a minute since the songs have been
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: done now, but I haven't heard them. I put them
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: to bed probably when it's been done, and the in
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: the uh, right after the final mixes, I stopped.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: I was done.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: I wanted to lock them away so when they did
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: come out they'd be fresh for me.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: But you know not right now.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: I'm onto other ideas and I'm onto different things. So
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: like it's fun to kind of think back. And I
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: love I love interviews because I love the questions people
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: give me that you know, make me think back when
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: I was doing it, where my mind would have been
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: it because definitely I was a lot more nervous, uh,
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: you know, uncomfortable when I was writing them because it
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: was scary then. You know, You're like, I don't know
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: if I want to say that, you know, but now
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: I've had time to think about it, and you know,
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: or not or forget it, you know, and it just
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: kind of be ready and you know, just be Uh.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: I'm just excited about the tour and getting to see
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: what songs that we start to play first live, you know,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, what songs are we gonna play? We're gonna
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: play them all? Are we gonna play it for you?
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Like it's it's it's awesome to kind of get together
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: as a band and kind of respect each other enough
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: to kind of, you know, see what comes out and
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: to see what the band wants to do. So that's
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: part of the fun about being in a group and
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: working together in a group. It's uh, it's the most
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: fun I think about being in a band in generals,
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: when you first release the project, it's just every day
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: after becomes a little less exciting because then you get
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: one day closer to recording your next project. So it's
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: just it's just it's a it's a bit of a
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: never ending cycle that just keeps repeating. It's up, but
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: it's certainly we're certainly proud of this record. We're so
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: excited and uh, you know, we wanna, we wanna. We're
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: definitely looking forward to playing these songs live and to
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: see what songs become, you know, a part of that
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: true diehard pop people set.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Let's moving forward now.
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: I want to go back to the heaviness of the
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: album A little bit made and use three songs in
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: particularly highlight what a well and talking about there's wishful
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: thinking what remains the side effects.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: But those three songs have got some of the chunkiest
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: breakdowns in a long time.
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: But I've also got how minis passages as electronic based passages,
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: and they are things you don't normally associate with heavy metal,
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: but you not only make it work if you actually nihilibrate.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: So as a listener, I'm notice these things. But as
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: a musician, does that come into your thinking when you're
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: writing it?
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, like where we're constantly trying to push
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: and find our own identities to make them more clear
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: and more Obviously, when you have so many great bands
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: that came before you, it's really hard to stand out
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: because so many people have done so many cool and
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: creative things. So finding your creative in it can be
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: the most intimidating. It's hard, you know, it's hard to
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: kind of stand out and find your own niche in it. So,
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously we knew the strength of pop people
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: have always been the melody. You know, you either love
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: us for the melody or you hate us because of
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: this thing with melody. You know, that's just a melodic singer.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: That's how I started. That's who I am, is what
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: my voice does.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: But pushing my voice in different directions, making sure it's
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: not just the same old, boring Hey, I recorded the
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: vocal on the take. Let's just put a little verb
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: on it.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: And wrap it up. No, no, no, no no.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: There's so much technology now that can be again overwhelming.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: So number one, finding producers who know how to explore
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: that show you different ideas that might this sound cool,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: that's experimental enough to like, hey man, what if you
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: did that knows your voice, knows you? I mean obviously
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Drew Fulk did all three of those songs. He's one
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: of my longtime favorite producers.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I've worked with him.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: I've had a lot of success with him with Waking Lions,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Breathe Again, Eye of the Storm. I've had so many
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: great success with him that it was important when I
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: got back with Drew had said. The first thing I
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: said with him in that session that when I was
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: with him was like, I'm not here to repeat any
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: of the stuff we did before. I don't want to
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: do any of that. We already have that insaid already
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: have those those songs even went number one. So I'm like,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: those songs all went number one. I don't I don't.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Care about that. I want to do something different.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: How can you push me, push my vocal, push our concepts,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: to push it, to take him step further? And Drew
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: is smart enough and he's so talented enough to say
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I got you, and literally he would just you know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: we'll cut, will drop, and then they'll say give me
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: a minute. He'll kind of do what producers do, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: then I'll go, nah, I don't like that, or oh
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: my gosh, that give me an idea, what if we
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: try this one? So it's fun stages right, like you
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: go for the singing stage and you sing it. Oh no,
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: you go from the writing stage first, where you put
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: the concept together and you you know, you dive in
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: and you totally try to make it as perfect and
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: in stages right the chorus verse breakdown, you do them
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: all all separate, so at least that's how I do it,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: so each section gets the right attention that it deserves.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: And then when you're done, you know, you can play
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: around effects, playing around with electronics, you can play around
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: with the guitar times, play around with the drums, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: then when you're done with all that, now you kick
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: the idea to the band.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Now, what's the band like?
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: The band got on ideas, dive into they like and
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: are they You know a lot of times I know
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: the band well enough now that if they're not getting
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: blown away, then I don't want let's go to another one,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: because the band should hear that and go, oh shit,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because they're they're not the
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: singer of the band I am, so when they hear
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: and so it's different. Like if you and me are
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: in a band and you do a demo and it's
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: you singing or someone else. So you pitch me a
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: song and it's side it called side effect, and I
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: listened to it and you do it. You know that
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: I have to sing that for it to be pop evil,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: so it's going to sound different. But if I do
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: the vocal and I do a song called side effects,
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: you can listen to it and go, oh shit, that's
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: awesome because you know exactly how it's going to sound now, right,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: So it's different. The band can hear my demos and go, wow,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: the song's done, or that's pop evil, or no, that's
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: not pop evil, you know what I mean. So it's
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: just it's an advantage that I have when I write
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: as a writer and a singer because when I'm singing poppy,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I sing for pop evil, So it's like, you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: it's my band, So when they hear my voice on it,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: it's easier to kind of, yeah, that could be cool.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: What Another idea comes from a different perspective, and a
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: lot of people don't write.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Lyrics for me. Because they know I write lyrics.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: So it's very rare, but it does happen every now
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: and then you'll get an idea. Actually, there's a song
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: on her album called Criminal I love Joey and Blake
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: wrote and they had they wanted to pitch me it
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: and they said, look, we wrote a song for you
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: as if we were you. And they're phenomenal writers I love.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: I'm a fan of them even though they're in my band.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I'm a fan of them as the writers. And I've
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: asked them even before they around our band. I was like,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: we got to write together. I'm really excited to see
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: what we do. So we've been waiting, though, and I
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: have so many songs that I've written myself. Sometimes it's
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: easy to kind of, you know, we run out of
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: time and we don't get to that other song. But
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I made sure, you know, especially with them me in
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: the band, that I wanted to see something that they had,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: you know, and they had Krim and I just loved it,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: and I was like, look, let me write do my
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: thing to it and see if you guys like it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: And of course, I you know, took it. Took a
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: lot of what they had dialed in and then kind
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: of put my spin on it and they loved it
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: and it ended up making the album.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: You know. So it's just writing is different from me
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: than being in the band.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Like writing is like I think about it as like
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: English class when I was one of those nerds in
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: English class that when the pape, when the teacher would
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: give me the comments and say another draft, I'd be like,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: I can't wait to do another draft because I want
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: to I want to see I want to push my
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: vocabular skill. I want to see if I can like
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: get the girl to be like why are my teacher to.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Be why did you use that word? Man? That's way
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: too big of a.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Word to be like no, no, no, I want to
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: dive in. And I was just kind of I would
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: kind of nerd out on that, you know. So I
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: looked at writing clinics and writing clinics that I would
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: do when I was a kid, and then writing clinics
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: now as a musician, to like some of my favorite
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: writing clinics would be it's like I'll pretend you're me.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: I'll I'll pretend i'm you, you pretend you're me, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: let's write a song called side Effects because you talking
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: in my in my pretending you're me, you might say
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: things that I would. You might be a little more
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: confident because you're not me. You can hide behind my
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: facials and be like yo yo, I said it like
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: this and say things in a more cockier, arrogant way
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: that I would never say about myself because it's me
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: and I might be a little bit shy. And suddenly
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I read your lyrics and go, wow, that's that's pretty
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: cool man.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Let's use your line.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, so you go back and forth and do it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: There's just a lot of fun.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: There's so many different writing techniques that like. Truly, that's
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: what I think. The experience, the writing experience can be
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: so fun, you know, because it's just different. Obviously when
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: you tour, it's a whole different kind of fun because
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: now you but but touring in a way, even though
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: it's fun, it's it's not it's it's not as fun
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: in other.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Ways because you're locked to the grid.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: If you have a hit song, you have to sing
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: the song the same every night, Like it's just it's
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: pretty boring.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Right, Like you go up and sing your song.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Now it doesn't get boring hearing people in other countries
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: and other cities and say it sing the same, that's all.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: It never gets old. But like the actual job itself.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, I wrote a song, you know, fifteen years ago,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: and I have to number one. I'm blessed that I
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: get to sing it again today. But it's not I
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: have to sing it the same way I did fifteen
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: years ago, or somebody's going to be upset at me.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Oh we sang it weird, now he sang it different. Well,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I wrote that song fifteen years ago. I don't even
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I'm a different guy. Now you might have.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So I can only imagine with the like
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: the bigger bands, you know, the Lincoln Parks and you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: but sometimes these songs like become a part of like
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: they become a part of the genre, like right, Like
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: that's why when we lose some of these amazing iconic musicians,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: that's why it hurts so much, because we lose a
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: piece of ourselves, right, we lease a piece of our past.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: You know, when you don't hear that person's voice again,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: it can be tough, man, it can be really tough.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: So I understand that, and we want to be responsible
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: to our older back catalog but at the same time,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: that's what makes writing I think a little bit, just
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: a little bit fresh, because like, you can sing it
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: a different way. Now it's not anyone it's your song still, right,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: So I can sing the hook a little different, and
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: I can I can mess it up. If I can
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: do whatever, I can write it a little different, you know.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: So it's just, uh, it's just there's so many fun
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: elements that don't really get discussed about interviews because a
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: lot of times it has to be just keep it
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: stock and keep it simple. But I like talking about
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: just kind of through human element that make it a
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: little bit different, a little bit unique.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Nice. Right.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: If there's one thing pop people does better than write music, brother,
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: it's play it live.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: So what shows you got coming up? And where are
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: you going?
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Thank you for that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're excited. We start off in uh, we start
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: off on the West Coast and then we're gonna all
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: the way from Lay to New York. We just played
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: in New York actually, so we're just gonna tour as
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: much as we can here in the US, hopefully grow
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: the band even more where we can kind of hopefully
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: get to a place where we can kind of have
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: a little more control of our finance with that, so
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: we can afford to take losses in other countries because
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: sometimes starting out another cunt, it can be a very
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: dangerous on the debt of a band, and if you
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: take on debt as a band, if fans don't understand,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: that can be why a big reason why bands don't
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: come back or they don't get to go there, because
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously, if you're not big in a country,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: you can't make money to break even, and then of
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: course with flights and getting in over there, so it's
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: a bit challenging. But we want to do the right things,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: make them right moves now because of the touring so
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: we can really grow this band around the world. So
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: it's definitely been something Obviously Australia it is one of
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: our favorite countries to play and we've only done it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: We've only done it that one time and it was
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: just unbelievable. Were blown away by the love of support.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I remember thinking I had no idea we had as
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: many fans as we did, you know, down Under, and
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: it was just such a I never would have thought
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: in my wildest dreams I'd even get to vacation to Australia,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: let alone play music there. So I think that we
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: all have a special place in our heart for Australia
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: because of just.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: The love that we received there for the first time.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: It really resonated with us.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: And I'm definitely planning on hopefully something this album cycle.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I know we've talked about it with the managers. We're
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: just in New York with the label and managers, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: we're definitely, you know, definitely on top of trying to
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: put something together here this album cycle, sooner than later,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: to get your way.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: So I know that the band, it's the first thing
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: they say every album, when are we going to Australia? Now?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: When are we going to another country?
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: When are we going to Australia specifically, So I can't
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: wait to make that a reality and get back your
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: way and then hopefully hopefully sooner than later. Man, and
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: definitely excited to play these new songs your way as well.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: So I'll let it this out, light it right it Deve,
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: mind giving me your email address or contact as I'll
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: know if you're provided us said, I can have a
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: word to you and see about maybe bringing you back out.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: I think I think can you can? I text you
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: or Olympia will give you one. My emails are different
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: they have. I'll text Olympia that you want the email,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: she'll give you the one we have. I don't know
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: one they're using for.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: It, okay, and not all that subject. You remember a
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: band called out Ordi I Rain that supported you and
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Adelaida when you were at here.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I think I do, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're they're looking.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: This is probably unlikely, but they want to do an
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: overseas tour as well, and I'm I'm their manager, so
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: it would be remissive me not to ask you if
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: there's any chance that you could throw them on a
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: few shows over there.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: It's possible, man, I mean it just again, it's not
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: really I don't do the booking anymore, so it's just
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: but I can put in a word for sure.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Man, I'd love to have them out. I remember they
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: were great.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: So I'll just get onto a failure about all that
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: stuff and get the emails.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, get get get Olympia or finn they're handing it.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: They'll give you the emails that they're doing for sure.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: No, right, it's actually buddy.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: Now before we let you go, I've introduced a new segment,
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: a heavy called photo Bomb. So basically before we spoke,
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: I've trolled through your social media and I've come up
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: with a few photos that I want to know a
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: bit more about.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: This one made like what the hell is this big
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: fella doing on your stage?
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: A great.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh that's a great story. Okay, man, that's movie
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: quality suit tour. I remember, all right, So we played Halloween.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: We're in Kansas City, Missouri there and we played Halloween show.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: And so the trick was that they were gonna get
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Star Wars uniforms for us. We were gonna be obviously,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I was gonna be Darth Vader and the rest of
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: the band was going to be Stormtroopers.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: And of course we wanted movie.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Quality, so they got us the movie quality suits and
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: they were the hottest suits, so I think most of us.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: I could only wear the helmet for one song and
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: the rest of the day the only wear It's like
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: one song and we got off the stage and it
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: was like we jumped in the pool.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if they took those costumes back.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: They were ruined. I mean we were, they were completely drenched.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: It was crazy, But that was That's a good picture.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Man, I love it. That's a good one. Good memory.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: No, I said, I'm god this one as well, Like, yeah,
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: what do you do that's actually doing here?
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: Man?
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: Like you've got some serious air?
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Is this?
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: Is this a jump off that you should have it
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: on stage?
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Oh dude, that's Blake and I yeah, yeah, yeah, So Blake,
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Now this is before he Blake is now our drummer
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: in Pop Evil, but this is before he was our drummer.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: We're actually touring.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: I think this is on tour with Skillet and seven
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Dust and Devour the Day, Devoured the Day, which is
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Blake's band, and and Poppy Eevil of course, and uh
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: he would come up and do trenches with us, and
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: I of course always did my signature jump there, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: so Blake would come in and we did this all tour.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: So I remember Blake coming up and he would do
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: the song with us every night. So eventually he would
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: catch on and he would just start jumping, and so
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: I was like, I was messing with our photographer at
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: the time. I'm like, hey, you need to catch this
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: picture or or or it's going to be trouble. We're
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: gonna have held of it, which was a total joke
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: and and she and they knew it, and they knew
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: it and uh and so basically I'm like, you got
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: to get this picture, Blake and our time, and so
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: we were actually you see us laughing.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: I think maybe you could see it in Blake.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: I'm so blind now, but uh, we're actually taking this
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: picture for ourselves because we're you know, we're laughing about
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: it with each other and it ended up turning out awesome.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: So just you know, it was you got some serious
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: hey back in the day when my knees were good
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: for sure, And.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: That's what I labeled. Thanks to your time. But I'm
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: always the pleasure speaking with it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: The album of What Remains is out now, and I've
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: been a long time hop evil fan, and I can
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: honestly say it's the best flavor.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Of material I've heard from you guys. Yes, the congratulations,
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: Thank you for that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Man. I'm excited.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: I can't wait to do this again, have an interview
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: with you, hopefully on your on your home turf there
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: in person, and I can't wait for you to hear
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: these songs.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Love.
• 30:28
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• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Tell you hit me on the term long time film.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: You left me alone for dead.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: They're coming red.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: And sound time.
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  Speaker 3: To the.
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• 31:12
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  Speaker 2: chilis No mane what I said? Nobody know that she
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  Speaker 2: didn't have truth. Nobody know what I said, No know
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  Speaker 2: where from the south Fast is you.
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  Speaker 1: P him with him under me to destroyed?
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  Speaker 2: Did not bear anything to make no.
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  Speaker 1: news on.
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  Speaker 2: she was not joking. Sided outside so hard under the
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  Speaker 2: south Fast song or girls, But I try so hard
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  Speaker 2: to prow first jans joy no matter what I say,
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  Speaker 2: no matter when I know, you can't be as truth,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: no matter what I say, no matter when I know
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  Speaker 2: the sound of Franks you.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the webb juice, one d intenious camera and Pastolba juice,
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  Speaker 2: Why did I tried so hard for you? Under the
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  Speaker 2: chills chilling. No matter what I say, no matter what
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  Speaker 2: you do, you can't tell the troubles no matter what
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  Speaker 2: I say, no matter what the side of facts, the
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  Speaker 2: side of fact, the study, the fact is Joe
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  Speaker 3: Man