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The Sky is Falling in Minnesota, Austin Wants to Fire Someone, The Beer Was Good | TSH Ep. 116 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome into another episode of
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  Speaker 1: the School Hob. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. Where's a
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  Speaker 1: couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer and
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Viking.
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  Speaker 2: And actually we hate talking about the Vikings this year
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  Speaker 2: because Evan, the sky has fallen and the Vikings actually
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  Speaker 2: suck this year.
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  Speaker 1: That's a true statement. I've definitely given up on our
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  Speaker 1: team this year. I think a lot of fans have.
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  Speaker 1: But I have hope for the.
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  Speaker 2: Future, and I think maybe maybe do you think the
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  Speaker 2: team needs some changes for next year? Maybe a new coach,
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  Speaker 2: new GM, new quarterback. Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: That remains to be seen. But one thing I know
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  Speaker 1: for sure, the quarterback situation needs to be resolved before
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  Speaker 1: next season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But something that doesn't need to change is just
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  Speaker 2: how great this beer was that we had from Big Grove.
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  Speaker 2: The Wade wisely was pretty good to us tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is absolutely right, So grab a cold one
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  Speaker 1: wherever you are. Join us for episode one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: sixteen of the School School School.
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  Speaker 1: The he did one of I think it was Culpepper,
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  Speaker 1: Robert Smith, Randy Moss, and Chris Carter on Thanksgiving as
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  Speaker 1: they're all standing around the turkey after they won. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing it was like two thousand and one, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and two somewhere in there, but yeah, it's like
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  Speaker 1: an iconic photo of those four dudes after they beat
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the Cowboys or the Lions,
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  Speaker 1: probably one of those two teams on Thanksgiving, but he
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  Speaker 1: made a wood art piece out of that.
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  Speaker 2: It was probably the last time, as Vikings fans we
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  Speaker 2: were happy, So that was probably a good piece to
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  Speaker 2: reflect on and really spend some time looking at.
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  Speaker 1: Before we really get into the wallowing and the herd
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  Speaker 1: and the pain and the sad music. I think we
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  Speaker 1: need to we need to highlight two positive things, two
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  Speaker 1: good things for us right now. Number one, we don't
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  Speaker 1: have to spin the wheel.
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  Speaker 2: Because we had no faith in this faithless team.
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  Speaker 1: Now, actually, both of us had quite a bit of
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  Speaker 1: faith at the beginning of the season, preseason in our picks.
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  Speaker 1: I just didn't have faith, and I think you felt
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  Speaker 1: the same way that the Vikings would go to the
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  Speaker 1: West Coast and beat Seattle, who has proved that they're
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  Speaker 1: a good team. Yep. So that was a good pick
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  Speaker 1: on our part that the Vikings would lose this game. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I could not have predicted that the Vikings would have
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  Speaker 1: the record that they currently have right now. In the preseason,
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  Speaker 1: we were both more optimistic. But there's more good news.
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  Speaker 2: What's that? Oh, Evan, I just checked. You said they
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  Speaker 2: would win.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, you didn't.
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  Speaker 2: You have to spin the wheel. No, I'm just kidding. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: what's the what's the other piece of good news?
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm double checking now.
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  Speaker 2: No, you said that they would lose. We both did.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, your wife picked a win.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that later.
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  Speaker 1: No, the other piece of good news is that you
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  Speaker 1: brought some beer tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a beer that I believe we've had on
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  Speaker 2: the show before. We have it's probably been around a
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  Speaker 2: year or so since we've had this one before, maybe
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  Speaker 2: even two, who knows. We've what is this episode one sixteen? Now,
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  Speaker 2: we've been doing this for a while, episode sixty four,
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  Speaker 2: so wow, So yeah, about a nearly do we have
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  Speaker 2: the date on there?
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  Speaker 1: October twenty ninth, twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: Al right, so a little bit over a year, a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more than an Yeah, and I remember liking
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  Speaker 2: it a lot. This one, of course, is from Big
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  Speaker 2: Grove Brewery. They've been making a lot of appearances lately,
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  Speaker 2: which I'm perfectly okay with. It is there weighed wisely,
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  Speaker 2: it's a coffee oatmeal stout and says with Rock the
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  Speaker 2: House blend by JBC Coffee Roasters. I almost said roosters.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, if I remember right, does this one go
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  Speaker 2: towards I.
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  Speaker 1: Think they like help Good Cause fisheries and stuff. Proceeds
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  Speaker 1: from this beer support organizations working to protect and restore
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  Speaker 1: fresh water ecosystems and promote environmental conservation across the Midwest. Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think this one must be a slightly
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  Speaker 2: seasonal beer that they make, because I don't see it
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  Speaker 2: at our local high View very often. But one of
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  Speaker 2: the reasons we're having it tonight is because I was
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  Speaker 2: looking and I saw it there and almost thought it
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  Speaker 2: was a new beer that we hadn't tried before, but
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  Speaker 2: then quickly remembered, Yeah, we have had this one and
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  Speaker 2: it's really good.
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  Speaker 1: I had a really bad poor or no, that was
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  Speaker 1: pretty good, but I'm excited that was pretty good. Pool Again,
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  Speaker 1: it's a really dark beer. It's an oatmeal stout, so
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  Speaker 1: of course it's going to be it's gonna be dark,
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  Speaker 1: not see through. It all looks kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: pepsi or a coke almost.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got that cola vibe there.
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  Speaker 1: The the foam of the head kind of looks like
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  Speaker 1: root beer a little bit. It smells amazing, it smells oatmeally,
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  Speaker 1: there's a little like hint of vanilla in it. And
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  Speaker 1: it's made with coffee, right you said in the description.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, made with a specific blend rock the House
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  Speaker 2: blend by JBC Coffee Roasters. I don't know anything about
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  Speaker 2: JBC Coffee Roasters, but there I assume they're an Iowa company,
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  Speaker 2: maybe maybe Big Grove. If you, if you find us,
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  Speaker 2: keep talking about this, let us know more about this beer.
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  Speaker 2: I remember having it. I remember it being very good,
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, we kind of have a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a history of stout beers. I think we've some of
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  Speaker 2: the first beers we tried and enjoyed together were stout.
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  Speaker 2: So without further ado.
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  Speaker 1: School, that hits the spot. That's wonderful, that's so good.
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  Speaker 2: We both like coffee, we're both, you know, connoisseurs of
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  Speaker 2: a good stout. Every once in a while, it's not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily our immediate go tos for each of us, but
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  Speaker 2: we definitely appreciate them. I will say this one has
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  Speaker 2: almost no head retention. No, the foam went away within
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  Speaker 2: thirty seconds of pouring the beer. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that's normal or if maybe we just got like the
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  Speaker 2: tail end of the batch this year. Either way, the
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  Speaker 2: flavor and the carbonation fantastic. I like this one a lot. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it just doesn't have really good
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  Speaker 2: head retention, which, again, flavor is great, and I'm really
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  Speaker 2: excited to have a couple more.
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  Speaker 1: It's perfect for the weather we've had to Uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: the monday after Thanksgiving. We got dumped on with snow
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  Speaker 1: here in the Midwest right after Thanksgiving, so it was
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  Speaker 1: actually snowing when you came over tonight and I was
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  Speaker 1: out shoveling the draft play.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. So yeah, you were assaulting the walkway just
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  Speaker 2: for me. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Thank sure you didn't slip, so kind of looking out
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  Speaker 1: for you.
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  Speaker 2: You're very kind to me. You care about my feelings,
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  Speaker 2: something our favorite football team does not care about. It
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  Speaker 2: actually seems like they hate their fans recently. So let's
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  Speaker 2: let's dive into that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go ahead. Do we want to do roses
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  Speaker 1: and thorns or do we just want to just riff
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  Speaker 1: for a little bit? We just get it out, get
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  Speaker 1: it off your chest.
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  Speaker 2: Let's uh, let's get it off our chest by sticking
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  Speaker 2: to the the roses and thorns. So and then I'll
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  Speaker 2: go first. Yeah, I'm gonna go first with my rose.
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  Speaker 2: I've thought about this a lot. I have none. There
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  Speaker 2: are no roses for me. There's there is nothing, absolutely
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  Speaker 2: nothing right now, especially from that Seattle game, to be
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  Speaker 2: happy about. There's no rose colored glasses. Everything sucks for me.
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  Speaker 1: And that's it.
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  Speaker 2: That's what about you? What's what's your rose?
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  Speaker 1: My rose and my thorner actually kind of connected. So
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  Speaker 1: don't don't throw shade quite yet. Don't pounce on me
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  Speaker 1: in the comments quite yet.
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  Speaker 2: Do we can We can handle it.
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  Speaker 1: But my rose is that we can absolutely confirm, without
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  Speaker 1: a shadow of a doubt now that the Vikings have
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  Speaker 1: a definite quarterback problem. And going into this game, one
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  Speaker 1: of my concerns was, and we're of course referencing the
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  Speaker 1: vikings horrific loss in Seattle twenty six nothing. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that we've really mentioned that out loud.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've said Seattle a couple times, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was the worst.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of the most historic losses in franchise history,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps even in league history. Like this Rivals the forty
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  Speaker 1: one donut that the Vikings dropped to the Giants, however
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  Speaker 1: many years ago that was. But my one of my
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  Speaker 1: main concerns going into this game was JJ McCarthy being
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  Speaker 1: soft benched or actually concussed. We don't know, but Brosmer
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  Speaker 1: coming in if he outplayed JJ McCarthy, which now in
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  Speaker 1: hindsight we know he didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everybody was kind of excited about the
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  Speaker 2: idea of that, though I know I was.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, but I think we did. Obviously we'd be
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  Speaker 1: having a very different conversation right now, and my concern
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  Speaker 1: would be that it would just have exacerbated this problem
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  Speaker 1: that the Vikings have been stuck in pretty much since
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  Speaker 1: we started this podcast. What are the Vikings going to
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  Speaker 1: do at quarterback? That's been like the number one topic.
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  Speaker 1: I bet if we go back and look at like
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  Speaker 1: our episode titles and our descriptions, like quarterback is one
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  Speaker 1: of the most commonly used words phrases.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the most important position in sports, so that
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  Speaker 2: makes sense. But yeah, the Vikings specifically have had a
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  Speaker 2: roller coaster throughout our podcast life.
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  Speaker 1: If there's a silver lining, if there's a rose to
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  Speaker 1: be had, it's that the quarterback problem is real. Is
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  Speaker 1: it a good problem? No, it's not a good problem
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  Speaker 1: to have. It sucks. It was horrific watching Max Brosmer
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  Speaker 1: play the way he played and throw four interceptions, especially
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  Speaker 1: the first one that he threw, which was just egregious
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  Speaker 1: and had even Paul Allen like ready to just probably
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  Speaker 1: throw his microphone out the window of the box suite
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  Speaker 1: that he was in. But we know it's a problem now,
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  Speaker 1: and I think everybody in that building knows it too.
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  Speaker 1: I think Quacy knows it. I think Kevin O'Connell knows it.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is there, and it's right out in front
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  Speaker 1: of everybody. And now there's no like, oh well what
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  Speaker 1: about Rosmer? Oh well what about this? Nope, it's a
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  Speaker 1: problem and it needs to be fixed.
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  Speaker 2: I will say, having heard your rose, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: say that I also now have a rose.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I've inspired some positivity.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I will say that, Yes, you said, the Vikings
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  Speaker 2: definitely have aquarterback problem. I'll say it's probably the rose
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  Speaker 2: is that it's it's not just JJ, and you did
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  Speaker 2: say I'm not saying anything you didn't just say. But
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  Speaker 2: it's not like the Vikings only picked like their only
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  Speaker 2: mistake is that they picked the wrong guy at tenth
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  Speaker 2: overall in twenty twenty four. I think any young quarterback
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  Speaker 2: would have problems with the way things are going right
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  Speaker 2: now with Koc. And I'm still a Koc fan. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not calling for Koc to be fired, but yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think any young quarterback would have issues because who have
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  Speaker 2: we seen at quarterback that actually thrives with KOs. It's
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  Speaker 2: guys like Kirk Cousins, who we've talked about this, who
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  Speaker 2: doesn't need to be taught how to watch NFL film.
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  Speaker 2: Not saying JJ does, but like maybe he does. It's
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  Speaker 2: guys like Sam Darnold who maybe already know what quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: coaches are talking about when they say here's how you
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  Speaker 2: plant your feet. And again, maybe JJ does understand that,
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  Speaker 2: but it sure doesn't seem like it. I think maybe Choc.
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  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz even was a good example of a veteran
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  Speaker 1: quarterback that came in and played reasonably well.
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  Speaker 2: I would say he'd be able to complete passes, which
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  Speaker 2: is a lot different.
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  Speaker 1: Reasonably, I would.
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  Speaker 2: Say Carson Wentz almost played good. He was more in
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  Speaker 2: that category, whereas JJ McCarthy and now with one game
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  Speaker 2: of Max Broznemer, we've seen light years behind even eh,
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  Speaker 2: like they are so far gone, so lost. Maybe the
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  Speaker 2: true problem and this is for five, you know, five
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  Speaker 2: segments from now, But maybe the true problem isn't just
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  Speaker 2: that these young guys aren't great, which is absolutely true.
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  Speaker 2: These young guys are not great. They posted up some
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  Speaker 2: of the worst quarterbacking games we've seen in NFL history
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  Speaker 2: just this season. But maybe it's also being pushed towards
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  Speaker 2: that bad level by maybe a coach that can really
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  Speaker 2: only thrive with a quarterback who's at maybe a master's
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  Speaker 2: level rather than a junior in high school level, if
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  Speaker 2: that makes any sense. Like, yeah, so I guess after
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  Speaker 2: all that, my rose is that maybe it's not just
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  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, and maybe there's something coaching wise that should
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  Speaker 2: be looked at well.
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  Speaker 1: That plays into my thorn, because my rose was that
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  Speaker 1: we can confirm that the Vikings have a quarterback problem,
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  Speaker 1: but my thorn is that the Vikings have more than
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  Speaker 1: just a quarterback problem.
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  Speaker 2: I promise you. I didn't read your thorn before I
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: piped in with an extra rowse.
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  Speaker 1: Of and you said some of the things that I
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: would say, but I would add on to that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's just a coaching problem. No. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And we'll get into this later because I think you're
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  Speaker 1: pretty strongly opinionated, like most Vikings fans are, that some
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  Speaker 1: one's job needs to be taken from them. There's going
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: to be a vocational paradigm shift, at least in your
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: your opinion and in a lot of Vikings fans. You're
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: laughing so hard because I use those words.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: It's how I met your mother reference. Yes it is,
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  Speaker 2: and I took away from the funniest funniness of that
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  Speaker 2: by pointing it out. But yeah, that was hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm actually not of the opinion. That's fine some
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: of those people. But I still believe that the Vikings
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  Speaker 1: have more than just a quarterback problem. And any Vikings
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: fan with any amount of brain cells more than two
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  Speaker 1: would know that it's it's not just the quarterback, it's
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  Speaker 1: not just the coach, and it's not just the GM.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's some systemic problems, and truthfully, the Vikings
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: have been kind of just floating along and they've kind
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: of piggybacked off the success of some coaching, some players,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: some other things that have happened. And that's why in
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: the three years that we've been doing this podcast, have
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: had a pretty good record overall, but can't do squat
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  Speaker 1: when they get to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: Two decent years and two so far pretty bad years.
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  Speaker 1: The Kirk Cousins injury year was the bad year, but
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: you just chalk that one up to well, Kirk got
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: hurt and Justin Jefferson missed a lot of time that year,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: and you know, that one's pretty easy to justify, like, nope, yep,
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  Speaker 1: that was it was what it was. But then you
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  Speaker 1: had these two other, like really really good years. Koc's
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: first year was our first year doing the podcast, and
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: it was awesome. It was fun to watch and then last.
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  Speaker 2: Fun to listen to as well, if you want to. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't listen to all of our episodes from that year.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't start the podcast until Kirk's injury year.
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  Speaker 2: We did a full season before Kirk got injured. I'm
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  Speaker 2: pretty sure.
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  Speaker 1: This is our third season.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Oh you might be right of I think, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. Our first season was the seven and ten
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  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins injury season. Okay, so we started in that
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  Speaker 1: like the summer and then the preseason before that season
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  Speaker 1: yea three okay, But the first year of Kevin O'Connell,
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  Speaker 1: that's beside the point. The first year of Kevin O'Connell
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  Speaker 1: was really really good when it won thirteen games that year, yep, right,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: and then yep, dealt with injury seven and ten whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Easy to justify, not gonna lose your job over that.
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  Speaker 1: It is what it is. And come back with Sam
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Darnold the following year and go fourteen and three and
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: everybody's like, Wow, this Vikings team, there are just a
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  Speaker 1: few pieces away from being a real contender. And I
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: think that's why we're all so frustrated with this team
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: right now, is the optimism was so high and we
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: felt like we went out and got those pieces, and
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: those pieces just have not added up to be a
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: championship level football team and that sucks.
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  Speaker 2: And everything you just pointed at is something I'll be
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: pounding the table about here in another segment. I've seen
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: your notes, I know, but yeah, it was that all
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: of your thorn.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and my again and thorn are kind of coupled.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: The Vikings know that they have a QB problem. Now
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: we can confirm that it's obvious. It's not this like weird, like,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: oh well, we've still got this other guy waiting in
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: the shadows, like I don't even know, like Desmond Ritter,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and who's the other guy, John something, Wafford, Wolford. We
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: should nobody's banking on them to like come out of
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the woodwork and be amazing. So again we can confirm
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: that the Vikings have a QB problem, and they have
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: more than a QB problem.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my thorn just it. I think it was a
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: similar thorn to to last week. It's just that all
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: hope is lost, not only just for this season, but
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: one of the reasons this loss to Seattle and this
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Ford losing four game losing streak feels so terrible is that, Yeah,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: we're seeing just awful quarterback play from guys that should
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: be foundational pieces of the franchise. We should have JJ
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: McCarthy b QB one for the next decade. We should
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: have Max Brosmer be a solid backup, and somebody that
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: we try to keep other teams from signing for the
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: next six years, you know, until he finally is too
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: expensive and another team you know, snipes him for their
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: own starting quarterback job. Like that's how it feels like
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: it should be for the Vikings. We should have the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: coach of the year, but it feels like we've got
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: a guy that doesn't know how to play chess, you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: checkers when everybody else is playing chess. We should have
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: the best defense in the league, and admittedly the defense
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: has been playing okay, but when you're the only leg
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: of the tripod that's doing anything, even you start to
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: look bad. We should have a young rookie returner that
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: should have broken one or two touchdown punt returns or
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: kick returns by now, but he keeps getting held or
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: fumbles the ball on his own. Like we should have
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: all these things. We should have a GM that is
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: such a mastermind and financial savvy dude that you know
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: he can find the diamond in the rough in the draft,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: and just this season's putting a magnifying glass on all
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: of that, and it just feels like there is no hope.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: It's not like we can say, oh, there's always next year.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Because guess what, we've got the same rookie quarterback unless
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: they draft another guy in the top ten. But the
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: GM's already proven that he can't do that, and the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: coach has already proven that he can't develop a young
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: guy in the first couple of years of his career.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: You know, we should have these things. Maybe we can
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: sign free agents in the offseason. Nope, no we can't
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: because they the Vikings unloaded all their cap space this
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: year and really went all in. So my thorn for
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: this Seattle game is really a thorn for the whole season,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: which I think I said last week too, is that
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the magnifying glass is there. There's no hiding behind oh
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: lucky win here, and now we still have hope for
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, maybe this year, maybe next year. There's just
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: no hope. And you put all of that on top
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: of the rest of the division is looking good. There's
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: just it. This is some of the most hopeless feelings
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I've ever had as being a Vikings fan. And we
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: watched Leslie Frasier coach them to a three and thirteen
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: year one time, and even then it's like, oh, well,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: at least they' get a high draft pick. And Matt
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Khalil and you know, maybe new coach. But it just
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: feels like there's no hope right now.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: You done, no, But I have to be you can
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: keep going. I mean, if it's therapeutic for you, if
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: there's some Catharsis here that you know there will be
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: getting it off your testa.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: To the point that I'm saying the same thing over
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: and over again, and I'm stealing takes from later. So
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I did look it up John Wolford. Wolford for number
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: five quarterback. He was with KOC and with the Rams
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: for a little bit, so.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So there's that connection. But well, let's give out game
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: balls really quick and then we can just go. We
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: can riff on anything everything. You can share your strong opinions.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: It's fine.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well we can. We can riff on it because
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I think we have differing opinions on what we'll talk
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: about later. But that's okay. We're not going to be
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: at each other's through.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm excited to maybe argue about this.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Let's do it. Yeah, this will be good. Yeah, all right,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: game balls from the Seattle Seahawks game. I'll go first
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: because I think you actually have a good take and
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: mine is just the fit take for me. You know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the only one that really did his job that I
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: feel like is Ryan Wright. The punters five punts, two
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty two yards fifty plus yards of punt.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe Depaula also did his job because he
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: snapped the ball to Ryan Wright perfectly every time. Yeah.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: That's yeah. A couple of guys that did their job
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: every time the ball was snapped. What about you, ev I.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Would give one both to Eric Wilson and Dallas Turner.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I think Eric Wilson because he led the team in tackles,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: he had a sack, He was the heartbeat of this defense,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and they got after Sam Darnold. And what I loved
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: about it was Brian Flores in his presser this last
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: week was like, we love that guy, wish him the best,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: but we're coming after it. Yeah, and he put his
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: money where his mouth was and he did it. I
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: think they sacked him what how many times? Four times
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: in the game yep. Most of those came in the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: first half, I think, and Dallas Turner got in on
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: two of those, So that's why he gets a game
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: ball for me. I think we've finally seen a breakthrough
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: with Dallas Turner and I think.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: He's Yeah, he's And there's a hot take to.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: That he's rounding in a form. And I think the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: hot take might be that the Vikings can let go
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: of one of their other higher paid guys to make
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: room for Dallas Turner to be that starter on the edge.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the hot take that either Grenard or
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Van Ginkle could be traded away for draft capital. I
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: see two issues with that one. We only have a
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: few games here so far, legit good, good games from
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Dallas Turner, but there's only a few. So that's that's
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: a risk. You know, you're putting your your chips behind
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: somebody that's only flashed a few times. Again, flashed very well,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: but only a few times. And also there's cap ramifications
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: of getting rid of especially Jonathan Garnard, who signed something
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: like a five year I think maybe four or five
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: year contract for seventy something million dollars just over a
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: year ago. He's in his second season of that. And
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Van Ginkle he originally signed I think for two seasons
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: prior to last season, but then this previous offseason, after
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: his first year with the Vikings, they re upped him
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: for re upped him for another one, maybe two years too,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: So they really have doubled down on both of the
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: guys who you would think could be traded away to
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: open the door for Dallas Turner. Which I will never
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: pretend to be the smartest guy when it comes to
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: NFL teams and their cap and how all of that
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: works out, and you know how getting rid of a
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: good guy could be actually good for the cap. I'm
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: not an expert on that, but I can't understand that
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: maybe you would keep a guy good or bad just
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: because it would cost you way more to let him go.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: So that's not to take anything away from Dallas Turner.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I think, now that you lay it out, Eric Wilson,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Dallas Turner probably actual good recipients of a game ball.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: One other thing I would add about getting rid of
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: either Grenard or Vin Gingle in lieu of keeping Dallas
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Turner and making him kind of the proverbial starter at
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: one of those on either side. Really, as an ed
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Drudger is the wild card of Brian Flores, and I
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: think Dallas Turner has developed because huz of the coaching,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and if Brian Flores leaves and they get rid of
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Grenard and Van can go in. Dallas Turner's left to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: his own devices and new coaches who maybe do things
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: differently and maybe a different scheme that doesn't, you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: utilize that edge rush the way Flores does, where it's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: this kind of like scrambled eggs. I don't know who's
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: coming at me. It could be twelve guys coming at me,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: not literally, but my math is off there, or it
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: could be three.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I love the way you talk there.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Of I'm just hyperbole there. There's an art to it, Okay, yeah, yeah, exaggeration,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: But that's how Brian Flores runs his defense and it's awesome.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And I think a kid like Dallas Turner thrives in
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: that system where he just needs to know I'm going right,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: like I'm on this play, I'm going I think you
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: keep it as simple as that for him, and all
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the other guys are like, Nope, I'm dropping in the coverage, Nope,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going here, and hope I'm going there. You just
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: tell him you're gonna go on this one. And he's
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: just that. He's that snarling dog that just goes in
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the backfield and obliterates the quarterback and it's awesome and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: we love to see it, and as long as he
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't put his full body weight on the quarterback, which
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: he hasn't.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Done since he did that to uh Lamar Jackson, right right.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Right right.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But anyways, I think that's an interesting wild card to
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: consider in that conversation too, is where does Brian Flores
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: end up when the dust settles on all of this
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: this horrific season that's developed for the Vikings, Like, is
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: he even still here? Is he going to pursue some
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: of these open head coaching vacancies? Who knows?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I mean I would I would assume he'd get some looks,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: because I think he started getting some looks last year.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: But that's that's a whole other topic for a whole
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: nother day. Brian Flores is not one of the guys
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: that I would say the Vikings should look to get
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: rid of.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: There's there's definitely some guys that they should look to
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: get rid of. And I'm of the camp right now
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that Koc is not somebody they should be looking to
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: get rid of either. I don't think the problem is
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: solely on Koc.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: The argument is going to be he's the head coach.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: The problems are his problems, no matter what, and it's
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: his job to fix all of the problems, which we've seen.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: You know, We've seen a thirteen win season from him,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: We've seen a fourteen win season from him. We've never
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: seen a playoff win from him. But I still am
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: a believer in Koc. I'm just losing a little bit
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: of faith in the quarterback whisperer tag. I think that
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: takes quite a bit away from the job that Sam
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Donald did. It kind of takes a bit away from
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: the flashiness that we got for a few quarters from
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs a couple of years ago. But I'm still
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not on the train that fire Koc. That's that's
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: not me. I don't. I don't think you are either. Nope,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I am. I am ready for the Vikings
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: to make a move somewhere else though. I think Vikings
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: need a new GM. I think they need to get
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: rid of Quasi. And I was solidified in this thought
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: after reading an article from Front of the Show Dustin
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Baker on Vikings Territory dot com and I think it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: literally titled the Vikings need a new GM, And in
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: that he lists off, and I kind of copy pasted
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: here everything he listed off. Quaisy has had twenty twenty two,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four, and now twenty five four drafts
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: so far, and the amount of players that he's drafted. Yes,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: it's a team, it's a scouting department, there's an assistant GM,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: there's there's more than just Quasy. But ultimately, just like
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: all the problems are Koc's problems to fix, Ultimately, Quays
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: is making these picks good or bad. He has had one, two, three,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: four five picks out of four years of afts where
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: you can say, yes, that dude was worth picking, that
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: dude was a net positive for the Vikings. Many many more,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: let's let's count two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: seventeen that are flat out either not with a team anymore,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: have lost their starting jobs, have passed away, have been
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: traded away. All of those guys have just plained, not
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: worked out. And then there's a few that are to
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: be determined one, two, three, four five players that are
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to be determined if they're good or not. And of
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: course this is a little bit opinionated, but I trust
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: in Dustin Baker. I believe what he writes, and I
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be saying it right now if I didn't also
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: believe it. And then there's a whole bunch of miscues
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: in the draft. Evan. We can kind of talk in
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: detail on these picks, but I will just say just
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: art this off. I think four years is enough time,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: and Quacy has had more failures than successes, and when
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: you're in a league like the NFL, four years is
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: enough time to know if you're going to pan out
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: as a leader of a team, and Quacy is not
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: panning out. I am ready to move on from Quacy
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: a dopaments as a GM. And that's not just me
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: saying fire him. I hate this game, I hate that
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: they lost this week. Everything has added up to he's
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: not good enough for me.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: And I would counteract that point. And again, I think
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: you are in the majority camp here so far. Yeah,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: just based on my cursory research on Twitter, and and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to be clear, I respect Dustin's yeah. Sure.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's part of sports as we get to
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: talk about all that. You can have a differing opinion
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: without it being we're not yelling at each.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Other, and I respect your opinion, and I know that
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: you were probably thinking it before you read Dustin's article
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: and you alluded to it. You said that it's now confirmed.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: This is what I think. And that's great. I mean,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: you're entitled to that, and it's good to have a foundation.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: But here's what I'm going to come back to. None
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: of us we're talking about Quais last week, none of
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: us and none of us were talking about Quois at
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. In fact, we both were
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: touting Koisy, not to the extent of like, oh man,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: we've got the NFL's best GM, like you know, we're
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: not you know Lynch from San Francisco or the Ursa
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: family in Indianapolis or anything like that. We weren't like
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: going to those levels, but we were. We were excited
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: about some of the things that he did. Like I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: was excited and I think you were too when he
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and KOs, both Quois and KOs made a commitment after
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: the end of last season, we're going to solidify the trenches.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And guess what they did. They went out and they
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: solidified the trenches. Now did that pan out the way
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that we hoped?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: No?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: But who's who was to know that that wasn't going
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to work out. I mean the names that they signed,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Javon Hargrave and Jonathan Allen to you know, solidify the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: middle of the defensive line. Awesome gets for the Vikings.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And then the offensive line with Ryan Kelly and Will
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Fryes and you know you're getting Christian darrisaw back, you
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: draft Donovan Jackson, Like wow, okay, you guys were serious.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: You solidify the trenches. And that's why the optimism was
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: so high at the beginning of the season, you know, right,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: like we're all just like man, the Vikings have all
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: these skill players, they just need these line positions to
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: be you know, solidified, And here we are. Yeah, And
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: so I don't I don't know that all of the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: blame for the demise of this offensive line the the
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: duds that Javon Hargrave and Jonathan Allen have been. They
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: played a little bit better recently, but they they sucked,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: They fled out sucked. At the beginning of the season.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: They did not play well. And I think most of
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: us were like, what the heck? We we brought you
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: guys here to make a difference, and you know, we
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: were wishing Harrison Phillips was back at that nose tackle
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: position and not one of those two clowns. And they've
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: i think since, kind of redeemed themselves a little bit,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: but not much. But again, who's to say that that's
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: only on Quasy Now. I think the argument is that
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: he's the backstop, that he's the ultimate like, you know,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: he's the one that's signing these contracts, he's the one
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: that's orchestrating all of these deals. He's the one that is,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you know, firing off the draft picks, right. And we
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: also know on the draft pick side of things that
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the Vikings didn't necessarily want JJ McCarthy as their first quarterback,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and I think I think there was this mounting pressure
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: from the media and from fans like us to draft
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: a quarterback because they had very quickly moved on from
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and then two days later Sam Darnold and
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you didn't have any other options at quarterback, and so
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: that kind of forced your hand. You had to draft
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: one in April, and you would think so, and instead
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: of probably doing the smart thing and not drafting JJ
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: when they did, they drafted him at tenth overall and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: then they spent some picks to move up to pick
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Dallas Turner a few picks later, and meanwhile, they had
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: made these handsome offers to get I think, didn't they
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: make an offer to get Drake May from the Patriots allegedly.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: You know, we'll never know exactly what's true and what's not,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: because Quacy and the Vikings are never going to say, like, yeah,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: that's true, we did offer three first round picks plus
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: picks next year, and you know, whatever else they'll they'll
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: never actually say if that's true. And apparently that's what's
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: been reported.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Right, And bo Nicks was available when they picked, but
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: they picked JJ instead of Bonix, Right, So I don't
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: know if I'm in that position if we're going to
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: zero in on that for just a second. If I'm
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the GM, I'm gonna pick the kid that just won
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: a national title, this other kid.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I probably said on this podcast that the two guys
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I absolutely don't want are Pennix and bo Nicks, and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I'll be super pissed if they pick either one of those.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I guarantee I said something like that multiple times on
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: this podcast. So I've also said I'd be a terrible GM,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: like I have no problem saying that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: We both said, I really don't know that it's a
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: quasi problem. And I know everybody right now today in
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the heat of this twenty six nothing loss, are pounding
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the table. Just get rid of him, get rid of him,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: like somebody's got to get fired. This is they've lost
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: two horrible games in a row. The Packers game was miserable.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: This was miserable. Get rid of him. Blah blah blah whatever.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: And honestly, I wouldn't be like upset. I wouldn't be
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: broken hearted if the Vikings moved on from Quacy. But
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know that he's solely to blame, and I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: don't know that these problems are necessarily problems that he
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: could have foreseen nor avoided. Yeah, and truthfully, he's on
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the younger side of GMS, and I think he's also
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: super smart, Like he absolutely is an IVY League grad
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and he's I think, very economically smart. I don't know
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: that he's super football smart. I think that's maybe where
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: his weakness is. And I think maybe he just he
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: might need some help scouting, maybe an assistant GM who
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: has a little bit more football experience, maybe was a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: player who is supposed to be. Yeah, and it's still
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: in the Vikings front office.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Ryan Grigson is essentially the assent the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: the why can't I think of words his assistant GM exactly,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: that's what he is. He has been in the front
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: office of many NFL teams. I'm trying to pull up his.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Did he ever play?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a good question, but either way,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I know he's the assistant GM. He did play, yeah,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: for the Bengals, Lions and Toronto Argonaux coach for a
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: little bit, but not anywhere, not definitely, not even the NFL.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And he's been with the Cleveland Browns from twenty twenty
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: to twenty twenty one, Seattle Seahawks before that, Cleveland Browns
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: again before that, the Colts as their general manager from
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: twenty twelve to twenty sixteen. So that Andrew Luck kind
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: of era with the Eagles in twenty eleven. So he's
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: got some NFL, you know, front office experience and experience
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: with Quacy from Cleveland, and he's supposed to be that
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: like backstop. Like, Okay, Quacy, you're super smart and we
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: get that. You see, you make moves based on value
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: and that's good. I like that, But Grigson's also supposed
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: to be that, Like, all right, now you see this
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: kind of value in this move. Here's the football reason
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: why yes, that's a great idea, or why that's a
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: terrible idea. So to me, Grigson and Quacy go hand
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: in hand and get rid of them both, Like that's
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: that's a part of the GM. They are both the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: GM to me, and both of them need to go well.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: And so here here's what I've come down to. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: we've already said this a little bit or at least
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: alluded to it. If if Quaycy goes, in my my opinion,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell has to.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Go as well. But there's something to that, and that's
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: that would be like that.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Would be an earthquake in Minneapolis, that would that would
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: shake the foundation of us Bank Stadium to its core,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: and uh the TCO Performance Center and Egan for that matter,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Like that would be an organization rocking move because both
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of these guys were brought in together four years ago. Uh,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: they're younger, they're energetic, They're a breath of fresh air
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: for this organization that had been I think kind of
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: stifled by the old stodgy.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know Milimmer and Spielman. Yes, Speeling and Zimmer.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: It's well known now that they didn't talk for like
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: months in their last year. Apparently again, I think.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: There's a lot more collaboration that happens. I think so,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I would think. I don't know for sure. No, I
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: don't know that anybody outside of the organization knows for sure.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: But I do know that healthy organizations thrive when there
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: is that collaboration and when there is that general aura
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: of excitement and energy and momentum and the air of that.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: All of that energy, momentum, excitement has been sucked out
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: of this team from pretty much day one, like the
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you see it in Kevin O'Connell's press conferences. He's not
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: a happy guy.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: No, we've been saying it all seasons. You've been hit
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: my nail on the head.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I've been that all yeah, and I think this season
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: is putting a lot of gray hairs on his head.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Like well, the hairs that are left. Yeah, which I
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: have no room to talk. I'm I'm bold by choice, but.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Both we both have very few hairs. Yeah, I'm pretty
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: sure haired as well. But my point is this, if
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: if people are gonna pound the table to fire Quois.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: If if if that's what makes Vikings fans feel a
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: little better about this season, like, oh, okay, we're we're
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: gonna get rid of a guy and we're gonna get
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: a new one. Well, then you might as well just
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: clean house. You might as well just get rid of everybody.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: You brought up Grigson, I'm bringing up Kevin O'Connell. Like,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: if that's the if that's the take, then just clean
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: house again. New coach, new GM, new assistant GM. Let's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: see what happens. I don't think that's gonna happen. I
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: don't know that the Wolfs will do that. And I wonder,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a little bit of blame to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: fall on ownership in this. And the Wolves are wonderful owners.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Let me, I have a high opinion of them. For
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the most part. It doesn't seem like they're you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: they're definitely not the Jerry Jones of the league that
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: are just kind of like, you know, the laughing stock
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: of the league. But and there's something to ownership to
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: where like when you're an owner, it's just kind of
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: like I own the team. I've hired these people well,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm I can do whatever I want. Like I mean,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I think Roger Goodell and the league have their thumb
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: on the pulse of what happens, and they tell owners
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: like no, you can't do that, or yes you can
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: do that, or whatever. But like, for the most part,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: like they're putting up the capital to make this whole
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: thing work, and to some extent, they don't have to
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: answer to anybody other than Roger Goodell for a few
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: rules and regulations, but other than that, it's kind of
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: their It's their show. And I think I've been a
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Vikings fan long enough to know that they don't want
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: to lose the fan base. They don't want to lose
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: ticket sales. They certainly don't want to lose the franchise
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to another market, which has been talked about, but never seriously.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think that that was a tactic that was
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: put out there in the public when they're trying to
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: get public dollars to help with the stadium, but nothing
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: has ever been really said of well and since.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: On that note, just a quick little rabbit trail, they
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: quickly paid off all of the loans on the new
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: stadium to kind of solidify the fact that, yes, this
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: franchise belongs here, we're not going anywhere, and yes, public
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: dollars were used to build it, but we paid off
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: all of those loans and now it's here. We're here,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: we're not going anywhere. So I'm not saying that, you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: if the Wolves don't do anything, the Vikings are going
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: to end up in Los Angeles and they're going to
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: be three teams in LA or whatever like, or they're
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: going to go international and be the first team in
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Germany or something stupid like that.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: The Wolves do seem very much like owners that fans
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: of a team would like to have, and I've never
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: really I mean, I don't know them personally. I don't
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: know their background. For all I know, they could be
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: horrible people from behind the scenes. I've never heard anything
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: about that. But they do seem as far as the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: owners of the Vikings, it seems like we've never heard like, oh, well,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: the Vikings would have signed Peyton Manning, but the Wils
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: didn't want to put up the capitol. We hear the opposite.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: We hear like, oh, yeah, the Vikings the GM, whether
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: it's Spielman or now Quac, they'll go to the owners
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: and be like, hey, we really need Kirk Cousins, or
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: hey we really need to put up some capital for
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson and Christian Darsaw. And it seems like whenever
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: that happens, the Vikings owners are you know, the GM
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: always says like, yeah, hey, credit to the owners. They
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: were right there with us. They're they're on fire for
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: this team. So yeah, they do seem like good owners.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: You kind of started going down a path that I
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: want to poke up a little bit. You said, if
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: you fire Quacy, you probably almost have to fire KOC
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and that reminded me of a tweet again in front
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: of the show. Dustin Baker tweeted out November twenty third.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: He said, teams that fire the GM but not the
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: head coach, the very few of them. It never works.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Head coach gets fired halfway through the next season. What
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: new GM doesn't want to pick his coach like the
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: most important thing he does. Pretty much. If you're out
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: on this still, Dustin Baker, if you're out on Quacy,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: you got a firebolt, not some half assed arrangement which
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I can see. You know, we've seen the Panthers go
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: through most of a decade where they kept firing their
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: GM and then their coach, and then the GM again
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: and then their coach, and so I can see the
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: mindset behind that. But I and this is gonna be
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: that whole arrested development meme where it's like, yeah, well
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: people are crazy. They don't think it's gonna work out
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: for them, but you know, I think it's gonna work
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: out for us. Like I know this is spitting in
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: the face of that mindset. But when I say get
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: rid of Quacy, you know, get rid of Koc as well.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: You also mentioned something a little bit ago that he
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: talked about the mindset of KOC and Quayc being in
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: tanned them and from somebody who's never met either of them,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: never will meet either of them, never be behind you know,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the doors that they have meetings in, I'd recognize that
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like Quasi and Koc are fully in
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: tandem at all times. Not that I think gms and
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: coaches need to be, but they need to respect each
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: other enough to go forward with decisions that they're both making.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: So like a couple of reasons, I say that it
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: seems like Koc was okay with keeping Kirk Cousins, you know,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: recognizing the whole situation. He's coming off an injury, he's older,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: thirty six, thirty seven at the time, he might not
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: be good. But it seemed like Chaos from what we heard,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: wanted to keep Kirk Cousins. That wasn't what happened. Ultimately,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: that's a that's a GM move where they let him walk,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: maybe offer him low balls, you know, just to say
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: you offered him. And then it also seemed like Koc
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: was really adamant about keeping Sam Donald and or Daniel Jones. Again,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: this is just from you know, witnessing things and seeing
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: tweets and stuff like that, so that might not be true,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: but ultimately that's not what happened. Who knows how in
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: tandem KOC and Quacy have been on quarterback decision making,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: whether it's the Cousins, Donald Jones, or even drafting the
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: guy they drafted and JJ McCarthy. You would think KOC
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: would do a lot better with a guy that maybe
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: he wanted or maybe he just assumed a lot of
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: things about j McCarthy. That's not true. You would think
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: that when Quacy signs a guy like Dalton Reisner, because
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: the fans really wanted him to, he would start right
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: away rather than watch the offensive line struggle for half
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: the season, and then finally with this twenty twenty three,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: finally put Dalton Reisner in the lineup. You would think
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: KOC would utilize a guy like Adam Thielen, who the
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: fans really wanted and quac traded what decent capital not you.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Know, fourth rounders.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not franchise altering by any means, but worth it
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: if the guy gets five hundred dish yards a couple
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: of touchdowns, you know. But you would think if they
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: were in tantum on that then KOC would utilize a
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: guy like Adam Thlen and it wouldn't get to the
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: point where Thelen's pissed off and quits on the team
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: and says, you know, get rid of me, or you know,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: if you're not gonna use me, get rid of me,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: which that's a whole other thing. I lost a little
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: bit of respect for one of our favorite vikings of
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: all time. It seems to me, and again I recognize
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: that I'm not in the meeting rooms, I don't know
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: them personally, but it seems to me like personnel moves
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: are being made and coaching decisions on game day don't
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: necessarily reflect how those moves are being made. And those
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: are just a few examples, but that if if the
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: GM and the coach are not fully on the same
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: page and holding hands and rooting for each other no
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: matter what, then you can get a little bit of
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: dysfunction all off. Spielin and Zimmer, Spielman and Zimmer in
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: their last year or two.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wonder if, like maybe KOs and Quacy
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: were like buddies the first couple of years and now
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: like the honeymoon phase is over, and I don't know,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: maybe one of them or both of them weren't happy
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: with the draft. I'll never forget the clip of Kevin
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: O'Connell learning that Quaycy had traded up to get Dallas
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Turner and he was like, really we're getting him? Yeah,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: crazy just drops that dime on him and why, And
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you can like, Kevin O'Connell looks like kid in a
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: KINDI story. He looked like he just like won the lottery.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Looks like he's, you know, a kid on Christmas Day,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: super excited. And from that moment, it seems like we've
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: we've been on the downward trajectory of that that may
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: have been the high peak. And what's interesting to me
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: about that isn't even like football related or anything like that.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: It's just I think human beings, like we have relationships
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: with people and they can go really really well for
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: a time and then all of a sudden, something happens
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: and they just crap out, you know, And I wonder
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: if something happened behind closed doors, if there was an
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: argument or disagreement or something, and you know, here we
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: are six months later, eight months later, dealing with the fallout.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Of all of that. Yeah, especially in a GM of
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: an NFL and a head coach of an NFL where
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: their jobs whether or not you won Coach of the
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Year a few months ago, like you're always it's such
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: a cutthroat league that you're always the next mistake you
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: make could be your last, even if you made one
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: hundred successes beforehand. And that Dallas Turner, you know, draft example,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: that video really made it seem like, oh my god,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Like KOC was like, oh my gosh, like that's amazing.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine the reaction if Koc again, this is
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: almost not even more saying, because there's no way I
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: could know any of this. It's pure speculation. But can
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: you imagine that same example if Quac turns and says
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Dallas Turner. If KOC had specifically wanted not Dallas Turner.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: What what if who's the La Rams guy Burns or
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: whatever his name verse, Jared Verse? Oh yeah, pure speculation,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: total example. I don't know anything, but what if KOC
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: was like Jared Verse, Yes, I love that guy. The
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: draft is a you know, a loss if we don't
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: get that guy. KOC or Quac trades up, gets the
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Capitol and gets the draft pick and says hey, and
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: KOs is thinking like, oh, he's gonna say Jared Verse,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: and Quacy says, oh, hey, Dallas Turner, we're getting him,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: and Koc is like, oh, I wanted the other guy again.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Fake example, No way I could know that. But those
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: would be the kind of things that a GM's like, no, no, no,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: I know you really want this dude, but trust me,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: I see the value in this other dude, and it's
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: my call. So I'm making that total speculation. What if
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: something like that was a JJ McCarthy decision. I don't know,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: we can never know, and it's not even worth speculating.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: But those are, Like you said, those are the kinds
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: of things that can really sour a relationship. We do
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: a podcast together. I feel like we this, you know what,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: three years in most of the things we have done,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: whether it's one of us doing it, the other one
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: or both of us, I feel like just being totally
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: candid here. We've been pretty good with the decisions we've
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: all made. But what if I got really enamored by
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: some camera and said, Hey, I know we have limited
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: skooll Hop funds, but this camera's going to be really
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: good for us. Even if you knew, like, yeah, hey,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: this camera's gonna be good for us, but it's gonna
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: take all of our funds. And I just went out
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: and bought it and showed up to your house one
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: day and said, Hey, instead of my phone filming us
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: one week, here's this really cool, super expensive camera that
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: we bought that could be the kind of thing that
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: could take the school Hop something that I think we
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: both really love and totally sour it and turn it
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: into garbage in three weeks from now, we wouldn't be
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: recording anymore.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Well, and some of what you've just said makes me
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: wonder if Kevin O'Connell's coaching has been informed by some
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: of this soured relationship, and it I don't think it's
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: happened a lot lately, but I gotta do something. Oh man,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: are you ready for this? Do you know what I'm
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: about to do?
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're going to do. I'm
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: a little scared.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote Moneyball.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Oh all right, Hey, this was the last episode of
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: the school I'm just kidding. What are you gonna quote?
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: It's the moment where the GM Billy Bean.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: They're not starting so and so tonight.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't start. You can't start. What's his name?
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: You love this movie so much you can't even think
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: of it?
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Well, no, because we might actually be referencing different scenes. Okay,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: it's the scene where the manager the coach in baseball.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: It's a manager.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: He tells Billy Bean. He says, I'm playing this team
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: that you assembled for me in a way that I
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: can explain in job interviews next winter. That was the quote.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: That was the line, and it stuck out to me
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: this last twenty four hours as I've digested this game,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: this horrific twenty six nothing lost, like I wonder if
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that, like vindication, this vendetta
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: against the system that Kosi's like, Okay, fine, I'm just
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: gonna play the team that you've assembled for me in
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: a way that I can explain in interviews. You want
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: me to run the ball, Yay, I'm gonna run the
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: ball the whole first quarter.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: I mean that's literally something that happened a few weeks
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: ago exactly.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: He did that against the Packers and then like, all right,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: you want me to, you know, try the other quarterback. Okay,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: we had and we tried the other guy and it sucked,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: and it's in.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: The same he's just as bad. He threw more interceptions.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: That's like, I don't know. I would hope KOs is
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: not the kind of guy, and I don't honestly, I
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: don't think.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: The NFL is the type of league where you can
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: get by with stuff like that.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Not if you want to keep you that's the thing.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: You can't do those things if you want to keep
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: your job. No one is safe. Bill Belichick got fired. Yeah,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: there's a quote unquote mutual agreement. He got fired a
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: few years ago. And this is the highest decorated NFL
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: head coach of all time. No one is ever fully safe.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm I'm with you on this. Yeah.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And So, going all the way back to where I
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: kind of started my whole spiel here, if you're gonna
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: fire QUAISI, you probably gotta fire Kevin O'Connell to now.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Do I think that needs to happen right now? Do
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: I think it needs to happen today Monday December first?
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Do I think it needs to happen at the end
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: of this twenty five twenty six football season. I don't
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: think so. I think you give these guys another year.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: And I know that sucks. Yeah, because now the mountain
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: of challenges is steeper than it's ever been. It's steeper
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: than it was when both of those guys got to
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Minnesota and they had the Kirk situation to deal with.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: They had a depleted offensive line that they had to rebuild.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Quaycy's whole thing when he got here was the competitive rebuild.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: And I read Dustin's article. He said that he was
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: pretty explicit in his opinion that the competitive rebuild has failed.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, there's no question about that.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: But I would say competitive rebuild isn't even the right
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: term I think the NFL has evolved, even in the
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: last five years that these guys have been in the
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: positions that they're in. They've only been with the Vikings
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: for three But sure, yeah, yeah, you know, we go
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: back a few years. But the league has evolved. We
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: are in a year to year system now. It's no
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: longer a like, oh well, the best players play their
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: whole careers in the same place. The best coaches coach
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: their whole careers in the same place. Shoot, even Pete
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Carroll coached in the NFL, left came back and is
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: now with a different team than he was when he
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: won a few Super Bowls ten years ago or whatever.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: It was like some of the best coaches that we know.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: You just referenced Bill Belichick, one of the greatest coaches
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: of all time is coach in North Carolina.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it seemed like he was going to get
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: fired a month or so ago from North Carolina and
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: that didn't happen.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Right, But the point I'm making is we are in
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the and it's like year to year system now. No team,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: no owners, nobody out there, even the publicly traded Packers
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: aren't opposed to making these moves on a year to
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: year basis. The Packers are less of a draft and
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: developed team than they used to be. There's still a
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: draft and developed team, but they'll play the free agency
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: game now.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: And we saw the make a mega trade for Micah Parsons.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Yep, well yeah, I was gonna reference Micah Parsons and
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I was going to reference Josh Jacobs like it's you know, yeah,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: it's not the same NFL that it was. And so
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, all one way or all the
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: other way. I get that, fire them both or keep
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: them both and let them Let them climb this really
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: steep hill that they've got to climb. Figure out the
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: quarterback situation, figure out the cap situation that's now become
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: a massive conundrum that they're gonna have to untangle and
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: figure out, figure out who stays, who goes. How are
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: you gonna rebuild this team and get it back to
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: a championship level again? Because you were there last year?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like four a year ago now, we were talking
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: about how excited we were that man, this could be
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: the year. What do you do? Do you sign Sam Darnold?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Because if he gives you a Super Bowl that was
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: legitimately what we were talking about. I should go back
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: and see like our first episode in December and just
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: listen to that last year and see, like, what were
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: we talking about. It was a different show because it
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: was a different team. Ye all of this, I'm sorry,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I totally cut you off.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: There, I'm done.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I've talked a lot this whole segment. It has transformed
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: my mindset because the title of in my mind of
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: this segment was fire Quacy, and now it's more of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: a broader idea of my mindset should be you need
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: And this isn't breaking news, this isn't anything crazy that
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: nobody's ever thought of before. But the head coach and
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: the GM need to be one hundred percent in tandem.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: And again, like I've said a few times, there's no
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: way that we can know that Quac and Koc are
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: not in tandem, but the moves that we've seen sure
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: makes it seem like it's not. And I can't imagine
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: having one guy building the team and another guy having
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: complete and separate authority to drive that team and not
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: having them totally together in that it would be like
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: the head coach and the quarterback need to be in tandem,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: like sports teams are so we'll say it fragile, especially
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: football when you know it's an eleven man sport, like
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: everybody has to do their job. But that doesn't just
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: mean the eleven guys on the field. That also means
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: all of the coaches and all of the scouting and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: all the front office. Because if you have a coach
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: that wants to pass it, pass it, pass it, and
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: a GM that wants to trade out sets for a
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: running back from San Francisco that the coach isn't going
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: to use on third and one, you're gonna lose games,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I think before we wind things down here, this isn't
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: this is going off script a little bit.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: I'll take it. Let's go.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I want to know key players that are with the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: organization now that either stay or go, like just quick
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: hitting off the top of your head. Who stays, who goes,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Who's who's with the Vikings next year and who's not.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Is this what I want or what I think will happen?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Two different things.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I think what you think will happen, because I think
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: what all of us want is the best possible team
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Well, we want the thing right now to actually play good.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: We want JJ McCarthy to be the next time. Brady
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: know so.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm just talking about current players on the roster.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I don't want to know, Like who do you want them? Like,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: we could sit here and talk for hours about all
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. That's what everybody's talking about on Twitter, Like.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: That's what That's what Stephen A. Smith makes his money even.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Like whatever, I don't care about that. Who of the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: fifty three guys on the current roster right now will
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: be back next year and we don't have to go
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: through all of them? But who who's gonna guess?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it starts for me justin Jefferson.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: That was one of the biggest ones that I wanted
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: to talk about.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: We are seeing his frustrations, Yes they're valid. This is
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: a superstar who has publicly said, like, yeah, my goal
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: he said, like, yeah, personal stats don't mean anything. But
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: was a year or two ago when he missed a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: bunch of games, and it was after he had won
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Offensive Player of the Year, and you know, he came
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: back after that hamstring of like seven games and said,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: like the new goal now is just to make sure
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: I get a thousand yards every year. He's at like
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: seven ninety five right now with five games, you think, oh,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: one thy two hundred and five yards, like that's easy.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: He could do that in one one half if he
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: really wants something. Yeah. Well, I mean now we're seeing
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: he's frustrated because he's looking at a season where he
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: gets less than eight hundred and fifty yards. I mean,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: that's that's a real possibility. So for me, he is
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: still the face of the franchise. He's the face of
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: the NFL for me. They've put him out there when
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: they announced, you know, they're gonna collaborate with flag football.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: He was like the first guy that was out there. Justin.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Jefferson is the Vikings, and they need to do everything
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: they can not to coddle him, you know, give him
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: his own office, you know, not stuff like that, but
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: to prove like, hey, we respect you as a generational
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: talent enough to know that we're not gonna waste you
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: and we're not gonna piss you off and make you
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: run in the locker room before the game's over, or
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: trade you away and then trade you trade back for
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: you a few years later, and just to have you
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: say you wouldn't feed this lunch food to your dogs
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: or any must so yeah, justin Jefferson, he needs to
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: be back. I do like the three guys on defense,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Grenard, Andrew Van Ginkle, Blake Cashman. For me, those
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: are the guys we've seen a lot from. Jalen Redmond.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: He has been a rare not just bright spot, but
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: like just blinding spot, like just so illuminating and so blinding.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: I've never heard him in an interview, but I imagine
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: he's just like the most happy guy ever because he's
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: he's one of the few guys that's been playing consistently
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: well all season. Dallas Turner, he needs to be a
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: piece that you build around. And I know I just
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: named two guys at his position ahead of him, but
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: those three guys, I think you need the Vikings to
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: have Grenard, Van Ginkle and Dallas Turner, Levi, j Rodger,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: you guys. Yeah, he's not everywhere. He's a seventh round pay,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: but he's one of the few picks that Cauysey's made
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: that has worked out. JJ McCarthy I've probably said less
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: than a week ago, you get rid of him. I'm
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: not in the cut JJ McCarthy camp, but I was
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: definitely in the camp where it's like, ah, he's nothing,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: He's there's nothing there. You've invested so much. I think
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: you still have time to give him to see if
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: he's the franchise quarterback. The really the main person I
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: want completely gone from the organization, Quacy. I mean that
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: that's really the only one I want gone. And I
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: think Caraysey's a really good dude. I think he's really smart.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I think he can be a good GM. I just
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: don't think he's doing a good job right now. And
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: it's so cutthroat that with four years of experience, we
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: haven't seen anything and we haven't even mentioned I know,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: I'm going way long winded.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Keep going.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: This is good that the whole argument against firing Quacy
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: is that right before the season started, the Vikings signed
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Quacy and koc but specifically Quacy to a contract extension.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: I tried to find it. There's no publicly available. There's
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: nothing that says nothing from the Vikings, yeah we signed
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: him for this many years, this much money. We can
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: see articles that are saying, yeah, it's apparently tied with
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: how long KOs is and I think he signed a
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: four year extension, but no one confirmed amount of time
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: and amount of money that Coac was signed for. So,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: for all I know, firing Quac is one hundred million
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: dollar failure for the Wilfs. Like, I don't know, it
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: could be something crazy like that, And I totally get
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: that if the Wilfs were like, hey, we just signed
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: this dude, and apparently only the extension years haven't even
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: kicked in, like that that starts next year, you know. Like,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: so to fire a guy before his extension even technically starts,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: is kind of crazy. I totally get that. But also
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: so is losing football games just because you threw money
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: on it. Like there's nothing worse than throwing bad money
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: after bad money.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: You know, the on the field product is what matters
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: the most in winning.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: I say all the time, win the Super Bowl. Even
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: the Vikings won fourteen games last.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Year and didn't and didn't win a playoff game.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Not even a playoff game, And it's a failure if
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: you don't win a Super Bowl. I'm thirty four years old.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sick of seeing my team lose. I'm ready to
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: see a good team, and at this rate, I don't
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: think I'll ever see it. My son is five years old,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: one of the first questions I ever asked Dustin Baker
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: on his first time joining the schoolhop was, hey, do
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: you feel we're all dads? Do you feel bad about
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: introducing fighting space to your kids? And he's like, you know,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: the way I see it, my kids probably got another
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: seventy eighty years left in his life. The Vikings are
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: totally gonna win a super Bowl in the next seventy
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: eighty years, So I don't feel that bad, that was
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: his answer. And now I'm thinking my son's five. Are
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: the Vikings gonna win a super Bowl in the next
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: seventy eighty years? I don't know. It doesn't seem like
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: it right now. Well, what about you? Sorry? I totally
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: morphed that question. Who do you think? Well, you just
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: to stay.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: You morphed it back to Quaisy, which solidifies your opinion.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: You think Quaycy should go. I get it. And I
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: don't think Quaycy should go. I think he should stay.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: But and you said it too. If these extensions are
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: tied to one another, right like, if Quaisy and Kos's
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: extensions are kind of like based on each other's success,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: well then fire him both. Would it be a risky move?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Would it be an earthquake in Minneapolis.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if the Vikings were to fire KOs who the
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Titans would hire him immediately. Oh, he would get snatched
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: up as a head Giants would hire him immediately. He
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: would be the first hired coach. Well, yeah, in this cycle.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: And you've also got to look at the other head
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: coaches that are either a already fired or be probably
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: gonna be fired. And Kevin Stefanski's on the hot seat
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: in Cleveland. And he was like a long time Vikings employee,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: worked his way up the ranks before he became the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: head coach of the Browns. Like I would be one
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: of the first to say, yeah, let's sign me up
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: for that. That sounds good, Like I'd be interested to
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: see what Stefanski could do with an organization ownership and
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: maybe a GM that actually gives a rip about what
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: we're doing here, Like Cleveland's just kind of a joke
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: of an organization, and to be a coach stuck in
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: that system seems like.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: And he's hell on Stefanski's situation alone. He was immediately
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: tied with Deshaun Watson, and you know, he didn't have
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: a choice that that guy was starting, and you know
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: he was one of the happiest guys in the world.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Steffansy has had to have been one of the happiest
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: guys in the world when Watson got that achilles injury.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Anyways, coming back to the original question about players, Yes,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: I'm most curious to see what happens with Justin Jefferson,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: especially in light of what happens today when the Vikings
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: released Adam Thielen.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: You should reword that the Vikings granted Adam Thielen his release. Yeah,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: stealing quit on this team after eight catches and less
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: than seventy yards. I get he wasn't getting playing time,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: and he's probably good enough to play. He's definitely I
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: think he had one thousand yards last year.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: But I can see it from Kosi's perspective. I've got
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: three wide receivers on the roster that are younger and
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: faster than you are, and I'm a passing coach. I'm
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: going to put the three best guys out there. Once
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Jordan Addison came back and was ready to go, Jordan
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Addison proved his worth pretty early on in the season.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson was getting all the attention from the defense.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Jalen Naylor was there, but he was just okay, he's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: never ever really been like he's Jalen Naylor. We all
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: know it. He's undersized and he's he's fast, for sure,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: He's Jalen Naylor.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Now has as many forced fumbles as he does one
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: hundred yard receiving games. Which I liked that force fumble.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: That force fumble was awesome, but it was also like
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: he was every Vikings fan and like just fit another
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: interception boomed it. Yeah, he made sure they got that
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: ball back.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: That was maybe one of the bright spots of the game,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: honestly for the Vikings. But anyways, I'm curious to see
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: what happens with Justin Jefferson because he, truthfully, he's acting
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: differently than he's ever acted in a Vikings uniform under
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: a Vikings contract, and it's concerning and you've already alluded
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: to it. He's a prominent player in the league, one
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: of the best at his position, arguably the best, and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I think our biased opinion we would say he is
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: the best at his position. His stats are troublesome this year,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: not really to any fault of his own, but because.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Some minor fault of his own. He's had some drops.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: He's dropped a few, and he dropped a few from
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: from Max Bros.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah yesterday. Yeah, oh yeah. It's he's not one faultless,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: but it's not his entire fault.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he's the one that I'm going to be
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: interested to see what happens with. I'm also going to
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: be interested to see what happens with some of these
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: high dollar UH cap hits. You know, like if there's
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: a way, if this is all hypothetical and we're like,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: we're jumping the gun because there's still five games left
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: in the season. Season's over, but the season's over, so
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: we can jump there. If there's any silver lining to
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Quasi as the GM, it's that he will crunch the numbers.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: He will. He knows.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: That's also Rob Gozinski Razinski who survived the last regime too,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: so true.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: But I think Quacy's smart enough and has that ECON
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: background to really work the numbers, work the contracts. Either
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: renegotiate with some of these guys to lessen their their
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: dead cap or to open up some opportunities to bring
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: in some other free agents, or to just cut bait
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: and get rid of some guys and move on from
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: players that are ineffective and maybe eat some of that
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: if needed, if it's deemed to be in the best
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: interest of the team.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: One perfect example of that is potentially TJ Hockinson. Oh yeah,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of his, but I know he's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: got a big cap hit and he has not been
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: the same on the field since that dirty hit from
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Kirby Joseph from the Lions.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: He seemed to be Max Brosmer's favorite target. Yestertainly it
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: was the Dumbtown target. Yeah, yeah, I mean target's a target.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: I think that was his best statistical game in time,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: definitely this year if you're not counting touchdowns. I know
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: he's got a couple touchdowns on the year, but yeah,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: he may be one. That's just like it just dollars
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: to production makes sense to get rid of him now.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: I will say again, like I said earlier, I'm not
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: an expert on the cap. For all I know, cutting
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: him would cost an extra ten million dollars. I have
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: no idea, but it does seem like as far as
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: production to cap hits, he's not there. And there's a
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: few guys like that on the team. The two defensive
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: tackles that you mentioned earlier Hargrave and Alan they flashed
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but neither of them have been the
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: big name free agents that that we've expected, and neither
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: of them have really been injured, so we don't have
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: that excuse, you know what I mean. But yeah, there's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: there's definitely some financial moves that could be made and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: probably will be made, and more moves like this Delen
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: move that will be upsetting for Vikings fans, but that's
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: that's what happens when your team wins less than five
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: games in a season, and I think there's a real
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: chance the Vikings don't win another game this year, which
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: is upsetting, But so TJ is.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: The let's see one, two, three, four, five, six, seventh
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: highest cap hit next year and the two guys that
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: you also just mentioned, Hargrave and Jonathan Allen are sixth
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: and fifth highest.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Cap hits and next year. I am smart enough to
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: know that it's not just as simple as deleting that.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I know that getting rid of any player could you know,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: come with dead cap money. Shoot, even the new trend
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: in the last decade or so for NFL teams when
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: they sign a player is to sign a guy for
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: like three or four years and then add another one
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: or two years of void years after their playing contract
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: is done, then they're still on the books for another
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: season or two. I think this is the first year
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: that the Vikings have not had Kirk Cousins, Well, Kirk
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Cousins and Daniel Hunter on the books as high cap
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: hit players, and they haven't been on the team for
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Well Cousins, I mean, both of them a couple of
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: years now. So I know that there's more that goes
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: into clearing cap space than just getting rid of some
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: high dollar players. But it's going to happen eventually. It's
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: worth it to take a cap hit next year to
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: save some space, you know, even if it's minimal you
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: know this year.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: So an interesting just point to make with all of that,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson next year will have a cap hit of
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: thirty eight million dollars yep, nearly thirty nine million dollars.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: Twelve point seven percent of the Vikings cap will be
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson alone. Yeah, that's a lot for one player.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: And then after that you've got the two tackles Brian
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: O'Neill and Christian Darisa, who will both account for about
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: seven and a half percent of that, and then you
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: have Jonathan Grenard, who we've already talked about, and then
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: you have Alan and Hargrave and Hawkinson. You've got Murphy,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Ben Ginkel and Will Fries and Aaron Jones. None of
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: those guys could be on this team next year, I mean,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: like other than the top three.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: So I think the only one of what you just
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: listed off realistically, And again, like I just said, I'm
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: not super smart on the cap, I think Aaron Jones
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: might be gone just cap reasons. I don't know how
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: it fully affects the team, but TJ. Hockinson as much
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: as it hurts me as a Hawkeye fan and a TJ.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Hockinson fan, he may be gone. I don't think we're
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: gonna see anything any movement from Jefferson, O'Neil, darrisaw Grenard,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Alan or Hargrave. I think all of them are pretty
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: just contract wise, pretty solid in their roster positions for
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, I hope. And while we've seen a
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: little bit of quietness and a little bit of frustration
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: from Jefferson, we still haven't seen anywhere near what you
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: would call diva. Even the last time he didn't speak
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: to the media, after the Seahawks game, which is concerning
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: that's uncommon, yea. But even when he spoke to the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: media after the Packer game the week before, he wasn't happy.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: He was very upset. It's like a four minute interview
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: that they posted online. He said something like, yeah, it's
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: really frustrating to keep saying the same things over and
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: over each week and nothing ever changes. That's not a
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: statement you want to hear from your captain, the captain
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: on your team. But he also didn't pull Stefan Diggs
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: and pull his hood up and kind of cinch the
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: ties and fake being sick for a day or two
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: to get out of practice and say, you know, everything's good,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: I just want more catches. Like he didn't do that,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: and he's not saying anything. He's almost doubling down on
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, like saying, I know it's been tough, but
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: like he'll get there. We got his back. He hasn't
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: said like, yeah, dude sucks and I need more passes
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: my way. AJ Brown for the Eagles is being more
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: of a diva and they've won eight games.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Like they're gonna make the playoffs.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: So I will say justin Jefferson as we've always complimented him,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: has still been the ultimate professional up until he didn't
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: talk to the media after the Seahawks game, which he
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: could win. Win for that right, Yes, I don't know what.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: I go back to the whole Marshawn Lynch like I'm
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: just here so I won't get fine. Maybe there's something
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: to that. I don't know. I feel like we would
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: have heard already if he was gonna get fined for that,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: and maybe he did. I don't know, but still giving
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: credit to JJ. It's a tough season. Nobody's happy. We
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: see Koc. Like we've said already this episode and you've
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: been alluding to all season, Koc doesn't look happy. It's
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: gonna trickle down, and hopefully we can get through this
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: dark time of twenty twenty five and hopefully next.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Year is better.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: But I go back to the Arrested development meme. Yeah, well,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: everybody says it'll be better and it never works out
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: for them, But I think it'll be good for us.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Like it's just it sucks right now. It sucks, but
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: look at you.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: You're already more positive than you were when you walked
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: in here.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't say I think it'll be better, I said, hopefully,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: And you know what, I've had a couple of beers
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: and they've been good, and we have a game to
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: think about next week. Like you said, we got five
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: games left in the season. Who cares win or lose?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: What happened? I care. I want them to win every game.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: But then you have the fans that are rightfully thinking like, oh,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: get a better draft pick. Yeah, yep, which I'll never
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: root for my team to lose now if it's one
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: of those like, man, they looked really really good and
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: they lost by one point and helped their draft pick.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: Like I could see that mindset, But I also, I'm
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: gonna root for my team every week.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: And this team has also one sorry, lost by a
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: combined score of forty nine to six in the last
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: two games. They haven't put up a touchdown since they
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: played the Bears three weeks ago. Yeah, so, like at
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: some point, like there is maybe a little bit of
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: merit to tank and draft, tank and draft.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: I actually see it. But you're never gonna get a
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: player to agree to that. Excuse me, You're never gonna
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: get a coach to agree to that. I mean, unless
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: you are the Dolphins ownership and telling Brian Flores to
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: tank for Tua. Was it tank for Tua? Is that
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: right before Flores got fired and then they got to
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: it anyways or was it yeah, yeah yeah. I mean
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: you're never gonna really take that passion, especially like I
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: said earlier, coaches are coaching for their jobs. Koc. There's
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: a world where he loses out and could get fired
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: after being the coach of the year last year, like
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: the most he's the raigning coach of the year Brian
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: Dable for the Giants, he won Coach of the Year
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: KOs and his rookie year as head coaches in twenty
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: twenty two. God, he's already been fired. Like coach of
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: the year means you mentioned Kevin Stefanski might get fired
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: because the Browns are a steaming pile of Browns and
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: he's won coach of the Year I think multiple times
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: since he's been head coaching, So like that accolade means nothing,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: But it's also saying like even the best of the
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: best can fall very quickly.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Well, we have the Commanders coming up at home, which
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: is nice, and then the Vikings round out their tour
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: of the NFC East, going to Dallas and going to
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: the Medalians in New Jersey to play the Giants. So
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: two road games against the Cowboys and the Giants before
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: finishing with two home games against the Lions and the Packers.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: So it'll be a really interesting end to the season
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: for the Vikings. I mean, the season's lost. They're not
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: mathematically eliminated from the playoffs at this point, but they're
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: basically out of the playoffs at this point. There's no
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: hope for ye.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: It would take. It would take a comeback akin to
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: the greatest comeback in NFL history, the Vikings Colts.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Stretched over five games.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: It would be the comeback of the season century. You know,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: it would be Movies would be made about this comeback
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: of the Vikings even made the playoffs. That's how crazy
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: it would be.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: But let's talk about this game against the Commanders. The
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Vikings open up as one and a half point underdogs
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: at home against the Commanders, which.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: Is crazy because the Vikings currently four and eight, Commanders
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: I believe three and nine, and we're not even certain
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: if they're QB one. Jadeen Daniels is going to play.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: It's like on the verge of coming back.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: He's been there for a little while so I wouldn't
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: even put it out there until I would expect this line. Yeah,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: the Vikings right now are one and a half point underdogs.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: I would expect if they make an announcement about Jaden
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: Daniels either way, that'll move the line greatly. If they
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: come out and say yeah, on Friday we get the
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: injury report and it's like, hey, Jaden Daniels had a
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: good week, he's good, he's going to start, then that
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: line might move to the Vikings being three and a
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: half point underdogs. Now if they come out and say, yeah, hey,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: Jade Daniels, he's close, but he's just not there, we're
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: going back to Mariota. Who knows. Maybe that line stays
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: at the Bikings as one and a half point underdogs.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe they moved to one and a half point favorites.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think that Daniel's decision will
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: will move it a few points either way.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: What are your keys to victory here? For the Vikings
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: to walk out of US Bank Stadium with the win?
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, like I've said, there's no hope, and part
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: of that is the offense has doesn't seem like they
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: can complete a five yard pass so for me, a
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: key to victory the defense staying the same. I'm really
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: not super disappointed with the overall play of the defense. Yeah,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: they've let a few plays go forward, but you're gonna
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: let a good team score the defense. Let Seattle score
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: nineteen points, the offense through a pick six, Brozmer through
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: a pick six. Other than that, the defense, I mean usual,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: you think if your defense only allows nineteen points, you
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: got a good chance in that game. And that's kind
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: of been the case most of the season. The defense
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: is held up pretty well most of the season, So
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: I think the defense just keeps on what they're doing.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe give them a turnover. But really the key for
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: me would be just a sudden and unexpected total change
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: in offensive production.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and mine is similar to that. And I
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: think it starts with a commitment to the run. And
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: we've seen it in the beginnings of these last couple
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: of games. And maybe it's one of those moneyball things
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: for Kevin O'Connell, whor it's like I'm playing the team
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: you assembled for me in a way that I can
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: explain next to your job interviews. Maybe it's that I
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: don't know, but you have Aaron Jones, who did get hurt,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: came out with a shoulder injury in this last game.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: And it seems like he may be out just they
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: haven't announced anything, but from the way k He is
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: talking about it, it's like he's always aggravated a shoulder injury.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: He hasn't sounded like, yeah, it's no big deal. He
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: kind of makes it seem like he.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: What was interesting to me about how that was handled
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: in lieu of his injury. It wasn't like, oh, Jordan Mason,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: you're in. No, it was Xavier Scott after.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: A minute, but remember Jordan Mason. Also he started Mason
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: in the bulk and then he got was it a
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: knee something, shin something? He got hurt, and.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't remember that specifically.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he came, he was he got tackled, was really
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: hurt and stood up, took a couple of steps. This
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: is in the Seahawks game, and then after a couple
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: of steps just sat down.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: Because I do remember that, But but it was before that,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: it was Aaron Johns had gone down and I was
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: expecting Jordan Mason to just be the next guy in,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: and no, it was Xavier Scott. And last season whatever.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter at this point, Like who cares who
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: you put in there, Like, just get guys out there
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: that are gonna be productive and maybe you know you
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: can help them get some opportunities next season. Whatever. But
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: it was just surprising to me that Xavier Scott was
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: the first one that I saw. And I could be wrong,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: I could.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: Have respectlessly to you, Evan, I think there was once
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: It was initially Jordan Mason, and then once he got
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: that that little bang up of a play, whether he
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: was totally injured or not, I think it was one
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: of those like we're losing anyways, I don't want to
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: get him more injured. Throw Xavier in there. He's pretty fresh.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And maybe that was the case, but it also
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: seemed like there was maybe still that like you get
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: a drive, you get a drive of mentality where you know,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: the drives that would have gone to Aaron Jones were
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: now going to Xavier Scott instead of like, Jordan Mason's
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: the number two, let's just keep feeding him unless he's
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: unless he's banged up, which I do remember now what
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: you're saying that he did go down, but he came
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: back pretty quickly. Yeah, So Anyways, all of that to say,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: a commitment to the run I think is going to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: be important to whoever is under center. It's probably not
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: gonna be Max Brosmer. It's probably gonna be JJ McCarthy.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Sure sounds like it. It sounded like JJ's like the
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: last final step for him to clear the protocol is
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: just to have like he's clear to practice, it sounds like,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: and if he has a full practice where he's good,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: then apparently as far as the protocol goes, then he'll
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: be cleared for that. I'm not an expert, but that's
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: kind of what Choc's press conference today made it sound like.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: So I would expect JJ McCarthy to be starting against
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: the Commanders.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: As would I. And then my other key is just
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: a solid defensive effort, which you alluded to as well.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: So I think those are kind of the big things
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: that the Vikings need to do. What's your prediction.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: I still think this season's over with. You kind of
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: triggered something in my mind to think maybe Koc is
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: coaching maliciously. I'm not predicting that and you weren't either,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: but you never know. It could be one of those like, hey, guys,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: just play the way I'm telling you, and then when
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Quacy's gone, then we can play better. That's ridiculous to say.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: I know it's crazy to say, and I don't actually
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: think that, but a cynic in me says, oh, sure,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: that could be a possibility either way. I don't really
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: see the Vikings winning another game this year just off
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: of what I've seen, based off of quarterbacks getting eighty yards.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: I think Brozmer eventually got like one hundred and twenty
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: something yards, but four picks. You know, you can't. You
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: can't win like that. Everything's broken. So this week I
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: think the defense can only hold up so much. Washington
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: scores like something like twenty eight to thirty one points,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: and the Vikings do as well as they can, and
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: with two drives of scoring points, will Record's gonna make
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: two field goals? It will be like thirty one six.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: There is no hope for this year. It's all gone well,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: doom and gloom.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Here's what I put id e Ka.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: Do you know what that's for?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: I don't even know anymore.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: I don't even know anymore. I just don't. We made
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: preseason predictions. Everybody, you me our families the coin. We
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: all predicted a win against the Vikings next week against
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: the Commanders. Commanders next week, Yeah we did. I thought, yeah,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: everybody predicted a win. I'm looking at it right now.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Then I totally read that wrong. I'm sorry for the
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: whole outline thing because I wrote that we both predicted
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: a loss.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, everybody predicted a win unless I'm reading that. You're
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: absolutely right, Yes, we all predicted a win. So all
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: of that to say, I just don't know. Like we
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: made these preseason picks. Who are we to know, Koisia
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: Dolfa Menza. He made his picks right, he made his
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: draft picks. He made his picks in free agency for
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: better or for worse. It's mostly turned out for worse,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: which sucks for us as fans. I'm not gonna make
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: a prediction. I don't know. The Vikings could win. This
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: could be This could be the JJ McCarthy coming out game.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: He could have four hundred yards, he could throw for
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: five touchdowns. It could be amazing. Justin Jefferson, like is
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: just the happiest guy on the face of the planet.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: After the game, I think if Jefferson got like twenty
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: yards and a touchdown and a win, Like he could
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: get three yards in a win and he'd still be
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: the first guy like doing the school chance.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: This will be the this will be the three catches,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: three touchdowns, one hundred and sixty seven yard Randy Moss,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: thanksgiving me either, justin Jefferson.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: I think I have to insist, as your co host,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: I don't need a score, win or loss. Ev did
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: the Vikings winner lose this week? Knowing that it doesn't
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: mean any that we already purple punishments are already established.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: We're gonna spin if they lose both of us, which
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we've kind of been in tandem for a
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: lot of these, not every game this year, but a
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: lot of the like devast stating games. At least we've
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: been together on those. So, like, what do you think, just.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: For the sake of the show, I think it's gonna
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: be close, Okay, closer, way closer than Washington's not a
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: great team, even if Jayden Daniels does come back. And yeah,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: they had the Broncos on the ropes last night on
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football. I get that, but the Broncos proved
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: that they're the better team. And I heard some of
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: the talking heads today on some of the big TV
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: networks saying like, are you concerned about the Broncos that
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: it was so close, and some of them are like, no,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: a win to win, and some games in the NFL
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: are just like that, and uh so, I think it's
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be close. I'm gonna say the Vikings win. I'm
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: gonna stick with our preseason pick. I think the Vikings win.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's very close. I think the margin of
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: victory is maybe a point or two.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: So I will say the betting line opened up with
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: an over under total points scored forty one and a half,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: so that's like a twenty one twenty game.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: I would say it's in there. I would say it's
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: pretty close.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Hey, I respect it. And it's the NFL.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Panthers beat the Rams this week, like
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: anything can happen.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: The Panthers are like squarely in the playoff. The day
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: they may sign Adam Thielen again. You know, good for
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: him if he.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Wants to ditch the Vikings and go to back to
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: his old team. Yeah, jerk, it is almost probably North Carolina.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: If I have a little bit of ties to North Carolina.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: There was a there was a point in my life
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: where it would have been very easy for me just
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: to be a North Carolinian like and just have that be,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: you know, the way the way it was for the
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: rest of my life, like super easy. Like I would
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: have literally just had to say the word. And I
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: ultimately didn't, and my life is wonderful and I'm not
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: regretting anything. But darn it the weather.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. My dad didn't fire up his
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: snowblower twice this weekend. I'll just say that he doesn't
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: have a snowblower. He probably doesn't. He does, however, have
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: a few snakes on its property, So yeah, that that's
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: almost enough to say I'll take three feet of snow.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: We call those note ropes around here.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: Nope, nope, nope ropes.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: It's just you know, snakes. Yeah, even a garter snake
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: is just like.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: I think it would have to be like between, Like
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: I think my children's lives would have to be at
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: stake for me to really attack or really do anything
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: about a snake. If it was just me, I'm out,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: like I'm running, I'm moving out of my house. If
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: I ever see one of my house. But but I mean,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: if you can guarantee you don't ever have to fire
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: up a snowblower again.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Like could be something you deal with.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: Literally. The snowblower I own is because a friend of
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: mine was moving to North Carolina and said, Hey, I
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: don't need the snowblllwer anymore.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Do you want it?
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, I'll buy it. But yeah,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: So I don't know what initially sparked that.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Carolina.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: Go to Carolina, get another six yards on this season.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: And I hope you never come back to Minnesota and
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: signed that one day contract. That's where I am.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: He will, he will, No.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't. I hope it doesn't happen.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: He will.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't get that.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: You can hope all you want that's gonna happen.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: Because he had he been a better guy, he wouldn't
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: have needed to sign a one day contract. He could
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: could have just retired and I would have. I hope
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: he doesn't get the ring of honor. I'm he's a
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: good dude. I'm glad that he was a Viking. I
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: will cherish his jersey and I'm over it, just like
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: with Randy muss second greatest wide receiver in Vikings history
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: so far, but not to get topped off of that.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: So anyways, Vikings commanders. Hopefully hopefully we don't have to
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: spend the wheel next week. Hopefully they win.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: That'd be nice. What do you think of the second
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: time around? Weighe wisely from big growth.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna lie. I know I mentioned it
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: when we first tried it, that there was no head retention.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: The foam went away, just fizzled down within seconds of
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: pouring it. It started off with a decent little head
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: and then went away, So I was thinking I was
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: kind of concerned about that. I mean, we haven't ever
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think had a I think we've had like
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: one ish bad beer the whole time we've ever done
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: this show.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: Are you referencing the one that was a different color,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: No one, Okay, the pickle pickle, the Barntown pickle tickle,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: which I'm sorry Barntown.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: We've had many of your beers. You're really good. That
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: pickle tickle was not great. This is just our personal preference.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: But we've never had like an infected one. The one
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: off color one that I had was the closest one.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: We've come to that, but like it tasted the time,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: I never had any stomach. I was kind of concerned
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: that maybe this one was older, you know, maybe it
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: wasn't quite as fresh as it could have been. But genuinely,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: I've had three now I've saved this last sip for
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: our intro. It was as delicious as we had at
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: the last time, still carbonated. Every time I took a sip,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: I really liked it. I will gladly get this one again.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: Is where do you think.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: These were canned two months ago? October first?
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: So maybe it's just that that's a fresh beer.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good beer to have.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: I loved it.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: I like that it's coffee, but it's not like in
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: your face, like I always come back to one of
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: the first coffee beers we tried together at Single Speed
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: in Cedar Falls, where we went to college. Good beer,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: but man, the coffee flavor in their tips of cow
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: is just like in your face.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: Which could either be a really good thing, which for
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: me it is, or something that kind of throws you off.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: And I don't think you're saying it's bad.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: It's bad, but it's one of those where like I
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: can't sit and probably have three of those. Yeah, in
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: a sitting, Like I can have one and then I
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: gotta be done. I got to move on to something else.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: This is one where I can have three in one sitting.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: The oatmeal the vanilla kind of mellow out the coffee
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: in a way that it's like, hn, we just got
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: basically a foot of snow in our area. It's cold. Now,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: this is a This is a solid beer for.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: This Sember beer without being a Christmas beer, because then
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: you get into like a jingle jab.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: And NICs and stuff. Yeah, I get that.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: I think I know what you mean. Some of those
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: coffee stouts, they can essentially be like the beer version
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: of like a n iced coffee. And I'm not an
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: iced coffee kind of guy. I like coffee flavor, like
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: a coffee ice cream is wonderful. But that's and maybe
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: a hint of coffee flavor like in this what is
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: it the wade wisely, But like for me, if I'm
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: drinking coffee, it's got to be hot and it's got
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: to be black and don't mess with the flavor. But yeah,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. This is not an iced coffee
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: in beer form. It's it's really good.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we need to hustle through this last part
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: hereas we've been talking for a while.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much if you've been sticking on
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: board with us. Good episode.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: We had a lot of good stuff to talk about,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: and I think there's gonna be a lot more to
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: talk about as this season winds down and as we
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: get into Okay, what happens next with this Vikings team.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, at minimum, this off season is
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: going to be interesting, and there's gonna be a lot
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: of opinions on who should or shouldn't have been fired,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: who should or shouldn't have been drafted, traded for, cut remained.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a season full of talkers. And because
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think Vikings fans you or I included, are
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: ready to be back into the mindset of a rebuild.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: Correct Like we had to win now roster this year
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: and that certainly didn't pan out, So to go all
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: the way back to square one would be disappointing for sure.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Good news is, as a podcast, we are certainly not
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: at square one. We are at square one hundred and
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: sixteen right now, and we're not going anywhere. We're gonna
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: be here. We're gonna be here for the duration of
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: all those offseason conversations. Where can people find us if
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: they want more of us?
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to keep the conversation going with us,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: you can find us everywhere on social media Facebook, Instagram, Twitter.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: I'll still say technically blue Sky, even though admittedly we're
• 1:42:29
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• 1:42:30
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• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: that account's gone. Even we have a Reddit thread that
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: we're out there, and a website, the schoolhop dot com,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: which hasn't been updated in many, many months, but it
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: should be. TikTok is one of the exciting areas that
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: we are. Actually, we do have a video that did
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: pretty well by our standards of Jaden Daniel's elbow injury.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: You a lot of injury videos on there, and then
• 1:43:01
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• 1:43:04
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• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: I heard this idea from a podcast I listen to
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: How Stuff Works, and they did this little thing like, Hey,
• 1:43:15
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• 1:43:18
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• 1:43:21
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• 1:43:26
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• 1:43:29
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• 1:43:32
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• 1:43:34
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• 1:43:37
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• 1:43:39
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• 1:43:43
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• 1:43:46
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• 1:43:57
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• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what a promo. Nicely done.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot of If you're a fan, keep
• 1:44:05
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• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun on this episode. Great beer.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: I thought we had really good conversations, even some disagreements,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: some dissension in the ranks a little bit.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Some of our best episodes are when you and I
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: have a disagreement and I like it.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: That's where things get spicy.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: And well, yeah, this was a great beer and I
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: think you might agree best episode yet I would agree.
• 1:45:00
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  Speaker 1: A a.
• 1:45:13
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  Speaker 1: A a.
• 1:45:28
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• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: A