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- 0:42Speaker 1: how are you doing today? Eric?
- 0:43Speaker 2: I am swell. How are you?
- 0:45Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic and I'm very excited to share a conversation
- 0:48Speaker 1: with you, because, hey, dude, never dreamed that I would
- 0:51Speaker 1: be here for the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary and
- 0:53Speaker 1: your book, I'm telling you right now is a gift
- 0:56Speaker 1: because I swear to God, I didn't know half the
- 0:59Speaker 1: junk that's in here.
- 1:00Speaker 2: Well, thank you for calling it junk.
- 1:02Speaker 3: No, seriously, I got to tell you I didn't know
- 1:04Speaker 3: half to junk that I was in here.
- 1:05Speaker 2: And that's the reason I said, I got to write
- 1:07Speaker 2: the book.
- 1:07Speaker 3: I said, I feel a sense of guilt, a sense
- 1:10Speaker 3: of indebtedness. Yes, that we take these things for granted,
- 1:15Speaker 3: and honestly, the liberties that.
- 1:17Speaker 2: We have, what we have in this nation.
- 1:18Speaker 3: We should all be ashamed for not knowing the names
- 1:21Speaker 3: of all the people who suffered and died so that
- 1:24Speaker 3: we could have a free conversation on the radio. I
- 1:28Speaker 3: you know, I said, I've got to put in one
- 1:29Speaker 3: book so people can just read one book that tells
- 1:31Speaker 3: the whole story.
- 1:32Speaker 2: If this is if there's a year to do it,
- 1:34Speaker 2: this is the year.
- 1:35Speaker 3: You know, we remember the bi centennial. This year is
- 1:38Speaker 3: the super centennial. That's the official term. This is America's
- 1:42Speaker 3: super centennial. And this is the time we need to
- 1:44Speaker 3: get back to the basics. We need to know these stories.
- 1:47Speaker 3: Nathan Hale, Henry Knox, on and on and on, these
- 1:51Speaker 3: great heroes, John Hancock, Joseph Warren. I didn't know most
- 1:55Speaker 3: of these stories, and I confess that, and that's why
- 1:58Speaker 3: I did a ton of research. And I'm excited to
- 2:01Speaker 3: share this with you know, my fellow Americans.
- 2:03Speaker 1: Well, God bless you on this research, because I'm a
- 2:05Speaker 1: research whore, and I mean I just when I'm going
- 2:08Speaker 1: through this book, I'm actually envisioning you. How your notes were,
- 2:10Speaker 1: like probably all over that dang room, but yet your focus.
- 2:13Speaker 1: You knew exactly where everything was when you would come
- 2:16Speaker 1: across something new. Was it that tough or am I
- 2:18Speaker 1: just being a visionary here?
- 2:20Speaker 3: No, it's an amazing thing that writing a book like this.
- 2:23Speaker 3: People always ask me, how do you do it? And
- 2:25Speaker 3: the answer is, I don't know, and I'm not kidding
- 2:27Speaker 3: however I do it. I don't recommend doing like Mickey Mantle,
- 2:30Speaker 3: don't do what I did right. I really feel like
- 2:33Speaker 3: I got it done. And I'm not being falsely humble
- 2:37Speaker 3: when I say I didn't know what I would end
- 2:40Speaker 3: up with. And so the fact that I am am glad,
- 2:44Speaker 3: I'm actually happy with what I'm personally surprised because it
- 2:48Speaker 3: was such an arduous thing.
- 2:50Speaker 2: Because you're trying to be encyclopedic.
- 2:51Speaker 3: You're telling a story that spans really seventeen sixty three
- 2:55Speaker 3: to seventeen eighty three. How did it all happen? Who
- 2:58Speaker 3: are the key players? What stories do you tell? What
- 3:00Speaker 3: stories do you leave out? What battles do you leave out?
- 3:03Speaker 3: I really had to have an innate sense of what
- 3:06Speaker 3: is the through line? Is what do people need to know?
- 3:10Speaker 3: That's what I put in the book. And listen, it's
- 3:12Speaker 3: six hundred pages, right, and it should be twelve hundred pages.
- 3:16Speaker 3: And you know, people who have read it said that,
- 3:18Speaker 3: you know, it's a great read. And to me as
- 3:21Speaker 3: a writer, that's the greatest words that I could hear,
- 3:23Speaker 3: that it's a great read. I couldn't put it down.
- 3:25Speaker 3: Or it's fascinating, I mean, because it should be fascinating.
- 3:28Speaker 3: The stories are fascinating, the figures are almost some of
- 3:31Speaker 3: them unbelievable heroic figures, and some you know, dastardly villains.
- 3:36Speaker 3: We need to know about that too, because there's always
- 3:39Speaker 3: villains when there's heroes.
- 3:41Speaker 1: The despicable villains as you put inside this book, because
- 3:44Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, you cover everybody, from the good
- 3:47Speaker 1: people to those that I don't know, man, but yet
- 3:49Speaker 1: you put them in there so that we can say, oh,
- 3:52Speaker 1: I do now I know.
- 3:54Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's kind of amazing.
- 3:56Speaker 3: One of the subtexts, or the subplots, really is that
- 4:00Speaker 3: there were two generals. Horatio Gates and General Charles Lee,
- 4:05Speaker 3: both more qualified militarily than Washington, but they weren't chosen
- 4:09Speaker 3: for the top job. Both of them were gunning for
- 4:12Speaker 3: his job. They wanted his job, so they're undermining him.
- 4:16Speaker 3: They're really out for themselves. And Washington is out for
- 4:19Speaker 3: the sacred cause of liberty. So he's the noble figure
- 4:24Speaker 3: who really does win in the end. He's the genuinely
- 4:27Speaker 3: good guy. And when I say good, that word doesn't
- 4:30Speaker 3: do him justice. The man is like a mind, a
- 4:33Speaker 3: living monument. When I study him, you're in awe of
- 4:37Speaker 3: this guy because because he did things and suffered things
- 4:42Speaker 3: that most people would be like, Okay, I'm done. He was.
- 4:45Speaker 3: We owe him a lot. It's just incredible. But there's
- 4:48Speaker 3: so many figures in the book like that. I said,
- 4:51Speaker 3: we need to know the names of Nathan Hale and
- 4:53Speaker 3: Henry Knox. They did things. It's just so beautiful. And
- 4:57Speaker 3: this is our history, it's our story, and you know
- 5:00Speaker 3: we're meant to be part of the ongoing revolution, that
- 5:02Speaker 3: we need to be faithful to the principles of revolution.
- 5:05Speaker 3: How can we be faithful to the principles of revolution
- 5:07Speaker 3: if we don't know what those principles are? So that's
- 5:09Speaker 3: part of why I wrote the book. I said, every
- 5:10Speaker 3: American is on the hook for this information.
- 5:13Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Eric coming up next.
- 5:18Speaker 1: The name of the new book, Revolution, The Birth of
- 5:20Speaker 1: the Greatest Nation in the history of the world. We
- 5:23Speaker 1: are back with Eric. You talk about Henry Knox, and
- 5:26Speaker 1: of course I've got I've got another Henry on my
- 5:28Speaker 1: page here. And I know I'm going to blow his
- 5:30Speaker 1: last name. And I know I probably did my research wrong,
- 5:32Speaker 1: But who is this Henry plungin Jogger? Who's this guy
- 5:36Speaker 1: plow Jogger. I'm free, I'm Humphrey. Okay, see I had
- 5:40Speaker 1: it wrong. Okay, So who's this dude? Because I've never
- 5:42Speaker 1: seen this guy?
- 5:43Speaker 2: Well, that's right, Well you just don't know. He's disguised.
- 5:47Speaker 3: Humphrey plow Jogger is the pseudonym of John Adams.
- 5:53Speaker 2: John Adams, who I gotta be honest with you.
- 5:55Speaker 3: If anybody comes out as the hero of this book,
- 5:58Speaker 3: of this this epic tale of the Revolution, other than
- 6:01Speaker 3: George Washington, it is John Adams. John Adams should be
- 6:03Speaker 3: a thousand times more famous than Thomas Jefferson. He is
- 6:07Speaker 3: an insane hero, humble and He wrote an essay in
- 6:12Speaker 3: seventeen sixty five, ten years before Lexington conquered.
- 6:16Speaker 2: He was thirty year old man.
- 6:17Speaker 3: He writes an essay and he publishes it in the
- 6:20Speaker 3: Boston Gazette in four parts under the pseudonym Humphrey PLoud Jogger.
- 6:24Speaker 3: It I laugh every time I hear that. It's like,
- 6:27Speaker 3: so hilarious. But it's one of the most beautiful essays.
- 6:30Speaker 3: And what he says he knew all this stuff ten
- 6:33Speaker 3: years before you know, Thomas Jefferson is writing a declaration.
- 6:38Speaker 3: John Adams is writing about all this stuff ten years earlier.
- 6:41Speaker 2: He is the man.
- 6:43Speaker 3: And I wrote a whole chapter on this essay because
- 6:47Speaker 3: most people aren't aware of it when I discovered it.
- 6:48Speaker 3: This happens very rarely. You know, you find something You're like,
- 6:51Speaker 3: how come I don't know about this? How come nobody's
- 6:53Speaker 3: heard about this? And I'm looking it up. It's an
- 6:55Speaker 3: astonishing essay, And so I wrote a whole chapter about
- 6:58Speaker 3: this essay that the thirty year old John Adams rights
- 7:01Speaker 3: under the pseudonym Humphrey PLoud Jogger.
- 7:04Speaker 1: Oh my god. And another place where you totally blew
- 7:07Speaker 1: me away is when you talk about April nineteenth, seventeen
- 7:09Speaker 1: seventy five. I guess I'm that kid that thought everything
- 7:13Speaker 1: started on July fourth, seventeen seventy six. But your book
- 7:16Speaker 1: identifies so many areas of By the way, guys, there
- 7:19Speaker 1: was a story before the story, and you need to
- 7:21Speaker 1: know that story well.
- 7:23Speaker 3: And by the way, the whole idea is, you know,
- 7:26Speaker 3: when you know the stories before the story, what happens.
- 7:29Speaker 3: You know at Lexington and conquered, what happens July fourth,
- 7:32Speaker 3: seventeen seventy Suddenly all that makes sense because that just
- 7:34Speaker 3: doesn't happen. It's like the lead up to it. So
- 7:36Speaker 3: John Adams calls it the revolution before the revolution. It
- 7:39Speaker 3: really is true. There was so much tumult going on
- 7:42Speaker 3: and tensions building up and people arguing back and forth,
- 7:45Speaker 3: and that's the story that leads to you know, we're
- 7:48Speaker 3: at war with the mother country.
- 7:50Speaker 1: Wow?
- 7:51Speaker 2: Who thought of that? How thought that could happen?
- 7:53Speaker 3: It's a mind blowing story. It is our story. And
- 7:55Speaker 3: as I say, every American is on the hook. This
- 7:57Speaker 3: is not like, oh, this is for history, buffs, and
- 8:00Speaker 3: every American needs to know this story. And if you
- 8:02Speaker 3: forgot it, I hope my book is you know as
- 8:05Speaker 3: readable as everybody says, because it should be readable, we
- 8:08Speaker 3: should know, we should all know this. This is not
- 8:10Speaker 3: like something for you know, those other people like this
- 8:13Speaker 3: is our story and by the way it will move
- 8:16Speaker 3: people that you know, I get to be an American.
- 8:18Speaker 3: I get to be part of the story. That's a
- 8:20Speaker 3: lot of people wish they could be. And it is beautiful.
- 8:23Speaker 1: As you, Chris crossed the country and got into different regions,
- 8:26Speaker 1: did the story change? And the reason why I say
- 8:28Speaker 1: that is is because I'm from Montana. We weren't even
- 8:31Speaker 1: created yet when this thing went down. And the thing
- 8:34Speaker 1: is is that Montana's have their own version here in
- 8:36Speaker 1: the South they I mean, I'm in Charlotte, we have
- 8:39Speaker 1: our own version. Did did you see any of that
- 8:41Speaker 1: as you were criss crossing the country?
- 8:44Speaker 2: Not really.
- 8:45Speaker 3: I think that you know, everybody has local pride or whatever,
- 8:47Speaker 3: but no, if you're Montana, you can't have local pride
- 8:49Speaker 3: with regard to the revolution.
- 8:50Speaker 2: Right.
- 8:51Speaker 3: So the point is this is everybody's story. If you're
- 8:53Speaker 3: an American, this is your story. You know, the people
- 8:57Speaker 3: in Massachusetts, they.
- 8:58Speaker 2: Started it all.
- 8:59Speaker 3: It is incredibly beautiful, but it everybody in Virginia and
- 9:04Speaker 3: all these other they began to come together so that
- 9:07Speaker 3: by the time he gets to seventeen seventy six, they're
- 9:09Speaker 3: all on the same page, which was huge because they
- 9:11Speaker 3: were so far apart from each other. They didn't even know,
- 9:14Speaker 3: you know, when they gathered for the Continental Congress. John Adams,
- 9:17Speaker 3: and again I quote him so much in the book.
- 9:19Speaker 3: He is writing about his fellow delegates. He's meeting them
- 9:21Speaker 3: for the first time. He's hilarious. John Adams is hilarious.
- 9:25Speaker 3: And I quote his cryptic comments about these figures and
- 9:28Speaker 3: what they look like and how they get I mean,
- 9:30Speaker 3: he is so funny. But this is the first time
- 9:32Speaker 3: they're meeting, and they get to know each other, and
- 9:35Speaker 3: this thing develops that we now know of as the
- 9:37Speaker 3: United States of America. They're coming together, the beginning to
- 9:41Speaker 3: compare notes and realize, even though we're different, the we
- 9:45Speaker 3: hold these truths in common, and we got to stand
- 9:48Speaker 3: up for these truths.
- 9:49Speaker 2: We got a link.
- 9:49Speaker 3: Arms It is beautiful and anybody who lives in the United
- 9:53Speaker 3: States of America, I say it again, you're on the
- 9:55Speaker 3: hook for this information. It's going to be on the test.
- 9:57Speaker 3: This is important stuff. So you know, I put it
- 10:00Speaker 3: in one book. You don't have to read thirty books,
- 10:01Speaker 3: but it is just it's our story. It's beautiful and
- 10:05Speaker 3: I feel honored that I get to put it out there.
- 10:07Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show man. Ten
- 10:08Speaker 1: minutes with you is not enough time, and there's too
- 10:10Speaker 1: much of America to be forgotten without talking about it,
- 10:13Speaker 1: and people like yourself, you are creating the conversation. God
- 10:16Speaker 1: bless you, God bless you that I'm going to tell
- 10:18Speaker 1: you that ten million times because this is exactly what
- 10:21Speaker 1: we need.
- 10:23Speaker 2: You're very kind. I just hope people will pick up
- 10:25Speaker 2: a copy of the book.
- 10:26Speaker 3: Simple title, Revolution the Birth of the greatest Nation in
- 10:30Speaker 3: the history of the world.
- 10:31Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
- 10:32Speaker 1: You'd be brilliant today.
- 10:33Speaker 2: Okay, sir, thank you