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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 2: On today's show, we're going to talk about the Republican
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  Speaker 2: plan to gut people's health care, which is running into
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  Speaker 2: some roadblocks. We'll cover the absolute meltdown over Zoran Mamdani's
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  Speaker 2: big win in New York City on Tuesday. And then later,
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  Speaker 2: I chat with California Congressman Robert Garcia about his big
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  Speaker 2: win in the race to be the top Democrat on
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  Speaker 2: the Oversight Committee, what fights he plans to pick, and
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  Speaker 2: what he really thinks about Stephen Miller, your friend and mine.
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  Speaker 2: But let's start with the military strike on Iran's nuclear
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  Speaker 2: facilities that Donald Trump wants us to believe was the
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  Speaker 2: most perfect, successful operation in the history of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Eat shit, D-Day. This is it. This is the most
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  Speaker 2: perfect strike you've ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: Can I give you some D-Day numbers just while we're here,
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  Speaker 3: just to put this in perspective? And not to demean
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  Speaker 3: this very excellent strike that happened, but there were 5,000
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  Speaker 3: ships in D-Day. 13,000 planes, 156,000 troops, and 600,000 pounds
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  Speaker 3: of equipment removed on that day.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I think you've wandered into the wrong podcast. The Pod
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  Speaker 2: Save the World records on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I don't know what podcast I'm on. I thought
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  Speaker 3: it was a fact-based podcast. They wanted to push back
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  Speaker 3: against misinformation from the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 2: So the president started crashing out about this when CNN
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  Speaker 2: broke the news earlier this week that the Defense Department's
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  Speaker 2: initial intelligence assessment found that the strike only set back
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  Speaker 2: Iran's nuclear program by a few months, that their stockpile
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  Speaker 2: of enriched uranium was not destroyed, and that their centrifuges
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  Speaker 2: are largely intact. Trump responded by rage posting 21 times
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  Speaker 2: on Wednesday while he was at the NATO summit, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: in Europe. He also responded by attacking CNN's Natasha Bertrand
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  Speaker 2: for breaking the story. He has ordered an FBI leak investigation.
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  Speaker 2: He's limiting access to classified information for Congress. And the
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  Speaker 2: White House has orchestrated an aggressive PR campaign where Trump
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  Speaker 2: officials in the White House and the cabinet are now
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  Speaker 2: saying that actually the intelligence says that the nuclear program
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  Speaker 2: was obliterated, that the centrifuges were destroyed, the enriched uranium
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  Speaker 2: wasn't moved, the program was set back years, and anyone
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  Speaker 2: who says otherwise is basically a a lying traitor who
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  Speaker 2: hates the troops. Let's listen to Pete Hegseth's early morning
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  Speaker 2: presser from today.
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  Speaker 3: Are you certain none of that highly enriched uranium was moved?
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  Speaker 4: Of course, we're watching every single aspect.
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  Speaker 5: But Jennifer, you've been about the worst, the one who
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  Speaker 5: misrepresents the most intentionally. How many stories have been written
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  Speaker 5: about how hard it is to, I don't know, fly
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  Speaker 5: a plane for 36 hours? Has MSNBC done that story?
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  Speaker 3: Has Fox?
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  Speaker 5: Have we done the story how hard that is? Have
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  Speaker 5: we done it two or three times? Because you cheer
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  Speaker 5: against Trump so hard. It's like in your DNA and
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  Speaker 5: in your blood to cheer against Trump.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't heard Pete that mad since he missed last call. No.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: I like it.
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  Speaker 2: I laughed. He was talking there to Jennifer Griffin of
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  Speaker 2: Fox News, his former home, where he was the weekend
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  Speaker 2: anchor on Fox and Friends, for just... asking a very
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  Speaker 2: legitimate question. What did you think about Hegseth? What do
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  Speaker 2: you think about this whole freakout that the Trump administration
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  Speaker 2: and the president are having over the aftermath of the strikes?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the event that Hegseth had with the chairman
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  Speaker 3: of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was pitiful. They made
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  Speaker 3: everyone go to the Pentagon at 8 a.m. for this
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  Speaker 3: press conference. At no point, and this was a press
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  Speaker 3: conference that was touted by the President of the United
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  Speaker 3: States on one of the many truths he sent while
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  Speaker 3: sitting in a NATO summit. And yet they didn't talk
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  Speaker 3: at all about the damage assessments, right? As General Kane said,
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  Speaker 3: the military doesn't grade their own homework. So all they did,
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  Speaker 3: they didn't push back on the thing. They did not
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  Speaker 3: talk about the actual results or success of the mission.
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  Speaker 3: They detailed the tremendous difficulty it takes to fly those planes,
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  Speaker 3: to successfully launch the missiles or to drop the bombs
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  Speaker 3: where they're supposed to be dropping all of that. But
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't get at the question everyone had, which is,
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  Speaker 3: what next for Iran's nuclear program? Where is the highly
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  Speaker 3: enriched uranium? You played that point. He was asked the
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  Speaker 3: question about where it was. He didn't answer that. They
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  Speaker 3: don't know. And that's the big thing. It is very pitiful.
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  Speaker 4: And it.
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  Speaker 3: Is how we've seen this. It's the intellectual Zamboni, to
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  Speaker 3: use Lovett's phrase, of Trump goes out before there's a
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  Speaker 3: single battlefield damage assessment and says, we obliterated the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: And now it turns out that's not the case. And
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  Speaker 3: the entire government intelligence apparatus has to run behind Trump
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  Speaker 3: and try to make that true, even though it's obviously
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  Speaker 3: not true.
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  Speaker 2: There was one excellent explanation for why they're spinning this
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  Speaker 2: so hard from a surprising source. Let's listen.
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  Speaker 5: When you have a totalitarian regime, you have to save face.
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  Speaker 2: That was Caroline Levitt from today's briefing. She kept up
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  Speaker 2: the party line. it's the most successful operation ever. The
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  Speaker 2: president has now also threatened to sue the New York Times,
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  Speaker 2: which confirmed CNN's reporting. He's gone after Natasha Bertrand of CNN,
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  Speaker 2: you know, personally, directly. They're all going after her. So
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  Speaker 2: did Caroline Levitt, going after the New York Times. The
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  Speaker 2: New York Times, I was proud to see that they
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  Speaker 2: put out a statement that said, there will be no apology.
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  Speaker 2: There will be no retraction. There will be nothing. We
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  Speaker 2: reported the truth the best we could.
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  Speaker 3: But it's... The whole thing is so bizarre because at
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  Speaker 3: no point are they saying that this report does not
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  Speaker 3: exist or that the way it was characterized is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And you know that it exists because they've started a
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  Speaker 2: leak investigation and have complained publicly about who leaked it.
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  Speaker 2: So they have admitted that the report exists. What they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to say now is it was an early assessment.
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  Speaker 2: And lo and behold, since new assessments have come out,
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  Speaker 2: much different now. much different.
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  Speaker 3: But those assessments have not been shared.
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  Speaker 2: No, of course not. In fact, they had a closed-door
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  Speaker 2: classified briefing, I believe, with Democrats and Republicans in Congress. Today,
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  Speaker 2: Chris Murphy walked out of the briefing and he told
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  Speaker 2: reporters that he is, quote, still under the belief that
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  Speaker 2: we have not obliterated the program. It's certain there's still
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  Speaker 2: significant capability and equipment that remain.
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  Speaker 3: So in the end, what the report said, it's worth
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  Speaker 3: noting the New York Times and CNN said it was
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  Speaker 3: an early assessment in their reporting. I think the headline
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  Speaker 3: was early assessment says, but we are where we are
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  Speaker 3: and all the rest of this is just fucking noise.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a press conference with an audience of one.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like lying all over the place and people
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  Speaker 2: that you can't trust and have lost their credibility all
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  Speaker 2: over the place. Because in the original story, even before
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  Speaker 2: the early Intel assessment that leaked, David Sanger wrote a
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  Speaker 2: piece about everything that happened, the strike, the aftermath of
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  Speaker 2: the strike, like a day or two after. And That
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  Speaker 2: was the piece that had Israeli officials saying that they
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  Speaker 2: think that the enriched uranium was moved and all that
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And then Barak Ravid, the Axios reporter, said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: now Israeli officials telling him that actually they agree with Trump,
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  Speaker 2: that it was completely obliterated and it's been set back years.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like, who can trust Netanyahu and his government now?
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  Speaker 3: And there was a report today that European countries were
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  Speaker 3: given an assessment that seemed very similar to the early
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  Speaker 3: one for the United States.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: All of this is so stupid. it's so dumb because
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  Speaker 3: it's all beyond the point. Like we're arguing about how
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  Speaker 3: far the bombs went down the hole, right? We're not having,
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  Speaker 3: and like, and how the, how damaged facilities were, which is,
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  Speaker 3: I guess is somewhat relevant. The bigger question, there are
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  Speaker 3: two bigger questions. One is where is the highly enriched uranium, right?
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  Speaker 3: No one has an answer to that. Seems like a problem.
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  Speaker 3: No one is contending it was destroyed. I mean, other
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  Speaker 3: than Trump, but like no one, there's no report saying
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  Speaker 3: that no one seems to know. There's no one explaining
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  Speaker 3: why it wasn't moved because obviously it was moved, but
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  Speaker 3: to where and were we able to destroy it? And
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  Speaker 3: the second point here is, even if this really was
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  Speaker 3: the perfect strike, the most successful possible version of this mission,
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  Speaker 3: all you're doing is delaying Iran's ambitions longer. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 3: not a few months. Maybe it's a year. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 3: two years, but you're going to end up in the same.
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  Speaker 3: This is why this was an ill-fated decision from the
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  Speaker 3: very beginning. because you're going to end up back in
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  Speaker 3: the place where they are on the cusp of having
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  Speaker 3: a nuclear weapon. And now, because we took this strike,
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  Speaker 3: the chances of resolving that through diplomatic means are greatly reduced.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Trump believed he could bomb them back to
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  Speaker 2: the table. which seems unlikely, or it seems unlikely that
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  Speaker 2: if they do come back to the table, they'll have
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  Speaker 2: any level of credibility, any level of trust in the
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  Speaker 2: Trump administration, and why should they? And this is the whole, like,
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  Speaker 2: no one is suggesting that it was the military or
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  Speaker 2: the pilots that didn't successfully obliterate it. They did everything
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  Speaker 2: they were told to do. The person who told them
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  Speaker 2: to do it made a dumb fucking move by deciding
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  Speaker 2: to bomb these sites and without letting more diplomacy take
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  Speaker 2: hold or having no plan for what happens after the
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  Speaker 2: sites were bombed. And also, by the way, blabbing his
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  Speaker 2: fucking mouth about the fact that he might bomb them
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  Speaker 2: and so they could move the enriched uranium in time,
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  Speaker 2: which he did and which the Defense Department told the
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  Speaker 2: New York Times on background that, by the way, he
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  Speaker 2: was their biggest OPSEC problem, the President of the United States.
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  Speaker 3: It's such, this is like the, this is a pre-Trump
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  Speaker 3: Republican playbook move, which is if you disagree with a
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  Speaker 3: military operation, you're anti-Trump. If you oppose the Iraq war,
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  Speaker 3: you are anti-Trump. And they're doing the same thing here.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, it doesn't wear very well. It was like,
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  Speaker 3: I guess, a somewhat effective cudgel in the early 2000s,
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  Speaker 3: but right now it looks ridiculous.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's also, they're all, because Trump has to say everything
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  Speaker 2: is perfect and everything was obliterated and it's the greatest
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  Speaker 2: operation in history. Imagine if Trump had come out and
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  Speaker 2: just said, like, yeah, I think we set back their
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  Speaker 2: program for a few years. No one's going to say, like, actually,
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  Speaker 2: it was a few months. Like, you might get a
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  Speaker 2: little reporting on that. But just say that the mission
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  Speaker 2: was successful. We severely, you know, hamper their ability to
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  Speaker 2: make a nuclear weapon. And now we're going to do X,
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  Speaker 2: Y and Z. But they can't do that because they
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  Speaker 2: don't have a plan and because all they want is
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  Speaker 2: a short term success to brag about. That's it. That's
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  Speaker 2: all they think. That's all. That's how Trump thinks.
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  Speaker 3: And Trump can only speak in superlatives.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Everything's the greatest, best ever. And now we have a
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  Speaker 3: government that has to then go back and try to
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  Speaker 3: make all of those things true, which is an impossible
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  Speaker 3: and ridiculous and stupid standard.
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  Speaker 2: Quinnipiac poll came out and apparently only 41% of Americans
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  Speaker 2: support the strike. And this is after the strike and
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  Speaker 2: 50% opposed, which is actually lower numbers than I thought.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that more people would be for it just
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  Speaker 2: because it seemed to have gone okay. And there's, thank God,
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  Speaker 2: no US casualties and no wider war yet. But I
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  Speaker 2: think people are smarter than they're given credit for and
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  Speaker 2: get that this could mean that we're drawn into a
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  Speaker 2: larger war, if not now, later.
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  Speaker 3: There's been several polls that have come out since the strikes.
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  Speaker 3: You have a Reuters poll, you have a CNN poll,
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  Speaker 3: you have this Quinnipiac poll, and all of them show
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  Speaker 3: the same thing. Majority opposition to the strikes, somewhere between
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  Speaker 3: 70% and 85% of people concerned that this is going
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  Speaker 3: to draw us into a wider war. The CNN poll
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  Speaker 3: finds that people think that the result of the strike
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  Speaker 3: is that Iran is more likely to build a nuclear
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  Speaker 3: weapon than to not do so. I think it's 49%
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  Speaker 3: that see an end poll, don't trust Trump to make
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  Speaker 3: the right decisions here. We are so far beyond sort
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  Speaker 3: of reflexive post 9-11 rally around the flag on these things.
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  Speaker 3: People have seen this movie before. They know what happens.
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  Speaker 3: They know, and they know the results is nothing good
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  Speaker 3: for America.
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  Speaker 2: See site for details. So Trump had a big event
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  Speaker 2: on the White House on Thursday. The point was to
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  Speaker 2: sell his big bill of bullshit.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look at you with your new BBBBB.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I've found myself saying it. I hate saying it,
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  Speaker 2: as I said earlier today in our meeting. And so
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  Speaker 2: bullshit was just the easiest thing to come out of
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  Speaker 2: my mouth.
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  Speaker 3: I like it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll stick. We should think of
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  Speaker 2: other B words, though. It's also beleaguered right now. It's
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  Speaker 2: a beleaguered bill. Is that a word that really rolls
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  Speaker 2: off the tongue?
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  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't roll off the tongue, but it is
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  Speaker 3: used in the correct context here.
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  Speaker 2: It is a political coverage. The media likes to use that.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's beleaguered. Anyway, so he does this event. He stands
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  Speaker 2: in front of a backdrop of regular Americans dressed up
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  Speaker 2: like the village people to make it obvious what jobs
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  Speaker 2: they have, what they're going through. They can tell their stories,
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  Speaker 2: why each of them might benefit from the bill. Trump
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  Speaker 2: listed off a bunch of things that are in the bill,
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  Speaker 2: some things that aren't in the bill. He's talked about
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  Speaker 2: no tax on Social Security. That's not in the bill
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  Speaker 2: at all, but he promised that in the event today.
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  Speaker 2: And then he urged Congress to pass it before his
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  Speaker 2: July 4th deadline. Seems unlikely because here's where we are
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  Speaker 2: with this shitburger. You might remember that during the interminable
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  Speaker 2: debate over the Biden administration's BBB, because everyone has their
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  Speaker 2: own BBB apparently, there was a point in the process
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  Speaker 2: where the Senate parliamentarian, who is possibly the most powerful
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  Speaker 2: nerd in America, ruled on whether anything in the bill
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  Speaker 2: broke the budget rules. And the budget rules are, you
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  Speaker 2: can only include stuff in a budget bill that primarily
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  Speaker 2: impacts the federal budget. And so you can't use a
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  Speaker 2: budget bill to change laws. That's cheating. Because if you're
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  Speaker 2: changing the laws, you got to find 60 votes instead
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  Speaker 2: of 51. You only need 51 to pass a budget bill.
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  Speaker 2: You need 60 votes to pass anything else. So when
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  Speaker 2: there's a budget bill, parliamentarian goes through it and says, no,
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  Speaker 2: this doesn't just primarily impact the federal budget. It also
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  Speaker 2: changes a lot here or changes this or that. So
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday, the parliamentarian said that a lot of the
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: changes to Medicaid do not comply with the rules. Uh,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: John Thune, who's in charge of the circus said, uh,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: we have contingency plans and quote, we're plowing forward, but
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: the coverage on this matter includes heavy usage of the
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: word scramble. Okay. Everyone is scrambling. Republicans are scrambling right now,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: scrambling for votes, scrambling to figure out the math, scrambling
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: to figure out whether they can throw more or less
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: people off their health care. What do you think, Dan?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: How big of a deal is what the parliamentarian is
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: doing to the bill and what are Republicans' options? Sure.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: So let's try to take this in two parts. How
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: does the parliamentarian's ruling affect the substance of the bill
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: and how does it affect passage of the bill? So
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: the substance of the bill, there are a whole bunch
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: of really pretty onerous, stupid, cruel things that are in
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: there that get tossed out. Bans on using Medicaid funding
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: for gender-affirming care for trans youth and adults. A bunch
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: of things to make it harder for people to repay
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: their loans or get their student loans forgiven. Some provisions
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: to make it harder for legal immigrants to access benefits
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: that are guaranteed to them by law. A bunch of
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: really bad stuff that gets tossed out.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Mike Lee's thing about selling off public lands.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Federal lands, yeah.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Federal lands, yeah.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: And then the Medicaid provider tax provision. is a huge deal.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: It would bankrupt rural hospitals. It would force states to
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: cut services, which could lead to hundreds of thousands of
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: people losing coverage over the course of the next several years.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: It's a very big deal. And so the Medicaid provisions
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: of the bill are less bad with that out. Now,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: in terms of passage, here's where we are. If the
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Medicaid provider tax provisions stay out, then They either have
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: to find even less popular Medicaid cuts or send a
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: bill back to the House that raises the deficit even more,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: which compounds the problems they were already having. Because there
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: are sort of three main buckets of problems between the
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Senate and the House right now. The first will be
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: the deficit. And if the Medicaid provider tax is not
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: in there, higher deficits. The Chip Roy's of the world,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: the Freedom Caucus people, they get kind of squirrely. The
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: second is the state and local tax exemption. The Senate
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: has trimmed that back. The quote unquote salties from New
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: York and California are quite salty, if you will. And
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: then the third thing is the Senate delays the repeal
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: of some of the clean energy tax credits from the
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Inflation Reduction Act. And the House is very pissed about that.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Steve Scalise today came out and said you'd have to
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: go back to where the House was to get it passed.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: So all of that We've been saying this for a while,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: that it's very tough to reconcile the desire to make
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: these deep cuts to Medicaid and food assistance and other programs.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Saying this for a while, that it's very tough to
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: reconcile the desire to make these deep cuts to Medicaid
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and food assistance and other programs and also not add
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: trillions more to the deficit. It's just a math problem.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: The worse this is going for them, the more I think,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I wonder why they don't just extend the tax cuts
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: and call it a day and just say that we're
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: going to do everything else next year or some other time,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: or we're going to split it into two big bills
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: of bullshit. You know, I don't know. Like, do you
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: feel like, I mean, because just reading the comments from,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and I realize that most of these people, I realize
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: that the high likelihood is that all these people cave
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: in the end. Whether you're mad about deficits, whether you're
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: mad about the Medicaid cuts, whether you're mad about SALT,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: like Donald Trump at the end tells you, you vote
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: for the bill, you vote for the fucking bill. But
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Greene posted today that she's a no right now.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: You know, the Chip Roy's, the Andy Harris's, all those
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: people in the Freedom Caucus, they're like, this is crazy.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Bill Cassidy, senator, Republican senator, said the Medicaid cuts and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the senator too much now. And so he wants to
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: go back to the House Medicaid cuts, which were still
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: fucking awful. So I don't, it's definitely not, I can't
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: see it getting done by July 4th, that's for sure.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm skeptical to do that because at every other
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: recent time where we've thought they can't get this done
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: on a short timeframe, they have gotten it done because
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Trump was able to bully these folks into it. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: think when you think about– to answer your question about
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: why don't they just extend the tax cuts and you
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: have to put the debt ceiling in there as well.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be hard to get people
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: to vote to extend the debt ceiling without some form
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: of cuts in there. So that becomes a problem unless
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Democrats have to bail them out on that, which we
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: absolutely should not do. But the other– there's also just
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: a mentality change. Like In our mind, Republicans paid a
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: huge political price in the 2018 midterms because they tried
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: to repeal the Affordable Care Act. In the Republican mindset
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: and in Trump's mindset, they paid a huge price in
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: the 2018 midterms because they failed to repeal the Affordable
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Care Act. It was the failure, not the attempt. And
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: so the idea that you– and a simple year extension
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: to year extension of the tax cuts would be seen
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: as a failure. And so that is a– that is
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: why Thune and others say failure is not an option
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: because they think that would be worse for them. I
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: don't agree with this analysis, but it deflates the base,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: it deflates the donor base, all of that, if you
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: can't get what you promised done. It's literally the only
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: bill they've tried to pass the whole year.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I do agree that if they fail to
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: pass it, they could get donors and some base voters
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: pissed off. And they also... still get the Medicaid ads
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: that they tried to cut Medicaid. So they sort of
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: get the worst of all worlds because everything they proposed
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: is still out there or something that they proposed. So
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the parliamentarian screws them over and in their mind. And,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: you know, one thing is to just figure out a
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: way to make the math work by doing other cuts
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: or tax increases, who knows, or just adding to the
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: deficit or whatever else. But then, of course, there's already
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: some Republicans who are arguing that you can also either
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: overrule the parliamentarian, ignore the parliamentarian, get the votes to overrule,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: or fire the parliamentarian. And Thune has already said this
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: is not a good option. So in some key quotes
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: on this from Republicans, one is, how is it that
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: an unelected swamp bureaucrat who was appointed by Harry Reid
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: over a decade ago gets to decide what can and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: cannot go in President Trump's one big, beautiful bill? That
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: was Florida Congressman Greg Stubbe. There's also this quote, Democrats
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: can't let an unelected bureaucrat stand in the way of
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: popular and necessary policies. That was Dan Pfeiffer in 2021.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: All right. Thank you, Tim Russert, throwing my old quotes
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: back against me.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Honestly, that was a Reid Cherland special.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, after I told Reid that I held this position,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: so I'm sure he's not digging through the message box
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: archives to find that. The context of that quote, which
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I 100% stand by because I am not someone who
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: clings to norms as America falls into a fascistic dystopian
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: future like some of you, is, Was during the- You
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: know what.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Another word for norms is, Dan? Democracy.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: You know what another word for democracy is? To quote
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: a Matt Iglesias is norms in a trench coat. So
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: the context of that quote was when Democrats were trying
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: to pass the Voting Rights Act and we had 50
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: votes for it. But we did not have the 60
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: needed for the filibuster to get by the filibuster. And
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: we had two senators who you may remember from that
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: period of time, Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin. who would
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: not eliminate the filibuster to pass a voting rights bill.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: And so I believe that, and I believe now that
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: the right thing to do would have been to do
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: everything we possibly could to pass that voting rights bill,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: because ultimately.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: But that wasn't a, that wasn't a parliamentarian issue.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: It was a parliamentarian issue because they were trying.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: To do, they were trying to do voting rights in
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: a budget bill.
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: There was a, obviously that doesn't comply.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: You can do that. You couldn't do the whole thing,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: but there was a whole theory you could do. You
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: could do some of it, some of it that way.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I remember with minimum wage was the big, that's what
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the one that everyone got bad at cinema because we
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: tried to put minimum, a higher minimum wage in the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: budget bill, which you could argue is like, you know,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: tangentially related at least to the federal budget. And then
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: they overruled that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, obviously to follow Miles's law, like where
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: you stand depends on where you sit. So right now
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I'm very pleased with the parliamentarian, but the idea that
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: we are allowing a rule set by Robert Byrd, a
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Senate rule set by Robert Byrd, not a law, right?
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Not a, you know, not some, something in the constitution that,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: to determine what the majority of the country and the
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: majority of the Senate wants, I think is one of
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: the problems with the Senate writ large.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, I still think that the filibuster is a
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: problem and it should go, even though we're standing where
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: we are right now and Republicans have the Senate, because
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I just think that the chances that Democrats ever get
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: 60 Senate seats with the map the way it is, like,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll see it in our lifetime.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Certainly not in the next several Senate elections. And we're
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: lucky if we get 51. So I think that you know,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: if we ever want to do good things again in
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: this country and pass them through legislation, we're going to
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: need to depend on 51 votes and not 60. So, yeah.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, which is, by the way, why all this
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: stuff is getting done in budget bills, right? Because that's
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the only kind of bill that you can get 51 votes.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: The real problem here is the filibuster, again.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: It's a stupid way to run a railroad, too, not
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: in a polarized world where neither party can really get
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: to 60 cents. Republicans have a better chance than we do,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: but it's still quite challenging. You just can't solve big
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: problems this way. And the consequence of that is that
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: sometimes it's going to fall where the Republicans have the
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: trifecta and you're going to get really bad policies. I
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: think I personally am of the view that over the
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: long course of time, that is a better– I would
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: rather have that risk and be able to do good
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: things when we have it than the country be able
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: to do literally nothing other than pass one budget bill
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: per presidency for the future.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. And for people who disagree and think
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: we should keep it, I would just ask you, just
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: give me the states. that will get us to 60 senators.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Go through the map, look at the votes in the
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: last couple elections, tell me where we get 60 senators from.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Just try it. You mentioned the failure is not an
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: option thing. So that came from a closed door meeting that,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and it leaked from a closed door meeting among Republican senators.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: And it was from Mitch McConnell. I was like, where's
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: he been? But what he said was, according to Punchbowl,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: which got word from the meeting, got a leak from
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the meeting, He said, I know a lot of, he said,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: failure is not an option. And then he said, I
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: know a lot of us are hearing from people back
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: home about Medicaid, but they'll get over it. I mean,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: this is, I know we're all having trouble trying to
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: figure out how like the Medicaid stuff can break through
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and how the bill can break through to people. We
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: got Joni Ernst. She's out there saying someone's like, oh,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: people are going to die. Well, we're all going to die.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: We got Mitch McConnell saying people back home who are
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: upset about Medicaid cuts will get over it. Tom Tillis,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: maybe the most vulnerable Republican senator in 2026, I guess
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Susan Collins too, but he was actually, there's a piece
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: of paper, we have a picture of this. There's a
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: piece of paper he was carrying around to his Republican
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: colleagues that shows how many thousands and thousands of people
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: in North Carolina are gonna lose their Medicaid and lose
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: their healthcare if this goes through.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to put that in an ad. Yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: that at least- When he votes for it in the end.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have a picture of that. I really
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: wish we had a recording of Mitch McConnell, but they haven't.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I guess Mitch McConnell's person said, whoa, what he was
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: actually talking about is the people who will get over
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: it are the able-bodied people who are getting Medicaid right
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: now who shouldn't be. They'll get over it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, of course. Well, you know, in this era of AI,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: you could- I'm just saying.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Anyway, we should be talking about it a lot. That's all.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: It is helpful that it's Mitch McConnell and not like
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Mike Crapo. It's like some of the people actually know
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: who he is.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I would bet. A ready-made villain for people. Yes.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: And I would bet most people think Mitch McConnell is
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: still in charge of the Senate anyway. I'm not sure
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: John Thune has swept the nation yet as a political figure.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: No, he hasn't really left a mark just yet.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the local news. I don't
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: know if anyone's aware, but a man named Zoran Mamdani
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: won Tuesday's Democratic primary election. for mayor in New York City. Look,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: there were some woos in the studio.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: The studio is in Park Slope, right?
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: It's Bushwick, actually. Zoran beat the polls and Andrew Cuomo
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: by seven points.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: What was the Emerson poll? The Emerson poll had him
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: leading by a few, maybe?
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: A couple? No, I didn't see any poll that had
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: seven points. It was a big enough lead that Cuomo
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: conceded without waiting for the rank choice process to play out.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: So that's not even the final margin yet for Zora.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And it could be bigger than that when they actually
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: finish the rank choice process. So Mamdani now moves on
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: to the general election where he will face incumbent mayor
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Eric Adams, who's running as an independent and will have
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: lots of money to spend, along with perennial Republican candidate
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Curtis Sliwa. Sliwa? Sliwa? Perennial, but I don't know him.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And various no-names. There have been just a few takes
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: on Mamdani's win. I don't know if you've heard any.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Let's start with Republicans, who've really been having a normal one.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Going to read you a few choice reactions, Dan. Donald
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Trump Jr. reposted a tweet that said, quote, I'm old
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: enough to remember when New Yorkers endured 9-11 instead of
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: voting for it. So that was cool. That's from the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: president's son. Laura Loomer, a proud Islamophobe, is what she
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: calls herself, also said Mamdani's win would lead to another 9-11.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: She just said that. Elise Stefanik, who wants to, now
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: that she didn't get her dream job at the UN,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: might run for governor of New York. She called him
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: a jihadist terrorist sympathizer. Jihadist, which is, that's really nice.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: And then Donald Trump himself called Mamdani a, quote, 100%
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: communist lunatic. And, of course, the gang over at Fox News,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: they took up the course right away. Let's listen.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I cannot believe that New York is about to elect
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Adam Sandler, the hairdresser, as mayor of one of the
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: world's greatest cities. The Democrats have gone so far left,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: they're socialists now.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: It's President Trump that's really in the middle looking at
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: everybody and governing that way.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: He's going to turn the prisons inside out, and he's
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: going to turn Whole foods into no foods.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: Unless rich New Yorkers band together, donate a lot of money,
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: and create a groundswell for a viable alternative to Mamdani,
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: another great American city is going to swirl down the drain.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: You know what creates a groundswell? Lots of money. Maga
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: diehard Andy Ogles of Tennessee, this is some sick shit,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: is officially calling for the Department of Justice to investigate Mamdani,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: who was born in Uganda. so that he can be
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: denaturalized and deported on the grounds of material support for terrorism.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Dan, what is wrong with these people?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, something's very wrong. I just, this is the
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: least important point possible, but in the Adam Sandler movie,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Don't Mess With Zohan, he was an Israeli super spy
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: slash hairdresser.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know that was a movie, Dan.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw the look on your face.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I guess I haven't kept up on my Adam Sandler.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I think it's from a long time ago.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Catalog.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Yes. 2008, you were busy that year.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I was... Working for another secret Muslim born
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: in Africa.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I guess not so secret now. Yes. So, I'm actually, like,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised by the level and breadth of reaction from
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the right on this. Like, I thought that they would be...
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I thought that they would say some of
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: this shit, but the fact that it has been, like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: nonstop for a couple days... I don't know. I guess
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I can always be shocked by this. I'm not shocked
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: at what the sort of the vitriol and the racism
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: and the hatred, that doesn't surprise me. Just that I
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: guess they don't have anything else to do right now.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: So they're really all in.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%. This is very much on brand. It's like,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it drives ratings for them and makes them happy.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: And frankly, the bigwigs in right-wing media, based in New
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: York City too. Like all these Fox people are living
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: there in the middle of this.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know how effective this is because it's so
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: over the top and so extreme. And, you know, Charlie
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Kirk and Stephen Miller and Matt Walsh and the rest
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: of them, they're out there saying, you know, there's just
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: too many immigrants in New York and there's New York
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: is full of foreign born. You know, a third of
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: all the citizens in New York now are foreign born
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: and two thirds of all children in New York City
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: live in a in the household. where one of the
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: parents is foreign born, and we can't have any more
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: third world migration at all. Just being, just saying the
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: quiet part out loud, that it's not about illegal immigration
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: to them at all. It's about legal immigration. They don't
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: like immigrants in this country. Also, New York City has
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: been about a third foreign born citizens in New York
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: City since at least 2000. It's been almost the exact
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: same argument. And then Really, since New York City became
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: a city, it was either a little higher than that
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: or a little lower. They want you to think that
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the country is changing and that there's all these foreign-born
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: people in the country now and mass migration. And really,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: in a city like New York, it just hasn't changed
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: all that much.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, obviously, you remember that the Statue of
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Liberty went up during the Biden administration. It's like that's
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: when we truly opened the doors.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: That was the gift he took. Yes. Unlike the $ 400
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: million plane, but it was the same idea.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: So the rich Wall Street types, they are also very
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: upset about Mamdani. They're quoting on CNBC, they're quoting Dark
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Knight saying, quote, they're taking Wall Streeters and making them
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: walk out onto the ice and the East River and
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: then they fall through. Hedge fund billionaire Bill Ackman wrote
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: one of his trademark 1,000 word diatribes on Twitter. begging
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: someone to launch a write-in campaign, and then he promised
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: to help fund it and said the money will be there.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: If someone wants to just step up and run a campaign,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: do a write-in thing, then the billionaires will fund it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: And then the Times reports that Eric Adams has already
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: met with business and finance leaders to talk about how
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: to stop Mondani. Nice of these guys to do free
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: campaign ads for Zorro.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Billionaires mad at Mondani. It's going to be
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: a huge, huge, huge political problem for him.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: What? I mean, what do you make of this?
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: This is not surprising. I think the more likely scenario
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: is they get behind Adams.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: It's easier.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: He already has ballot access. And we know he can
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: be bought since he both was indicted for bribery.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Just ask the Turks.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Yes. But then he was bribed again in exchange for
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: a pardon. Or having his charges dropped, I guess. So yeah,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: I think they will get behind him. There will be
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: a full New York City freakout about this over the
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: next several months.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Do you think Cuomo gets back in and runs on
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: some other party's ticket?
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, he did so poorly. I'm not sure anyone
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: would want him to do that. It wasn't like he
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: got in late and almost got there or started weak
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: and grew strong. He got his ass kicked and was
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: a terrible candidate. So I don't know that I don't
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: know that people will put more good money after bad.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: There is an amazing quote from one of the hedge
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: fund guys who gave $ 250, 000 to this Pro Cuomo super PAC,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: who's now going to back Mondani. And he said, don't
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: mistake my $ 250, 000 donation for enthusiasm for Andrew Cuomo. We
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: just thought he might win. And this is how you
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: have to play the game with Andrew Cuomo.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: This is amazing. I mean, clearly... you know, the knives
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: are out for Zoran and the Wall Street people, the
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: finance people, Republicans, Republicans nationally, we're about to talk about
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: some Democrats, are going to just sort of empty the
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: oppo file and really try to raise awareness on some
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: of his positions, past statements, all the rest. I just think,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I think a writing campaign is hard to pull off
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I think a write-in campaign with Adam still in the
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: race then probably doesn't help. You need to bribe him
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: to drop out. Right, yeah. Which I guess you could do, yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: So you need to bribe him to drop out and
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: then just have the write-in candidate and Doron. But like,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I still... Eric Adams, the guy, they haven't taken a
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: poll lately, but as of late March, I think, his
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: approval rating was sitting around 20%. I suppose it could
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: get to be a closer race, but I don't know
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: how you come. You're an incumbent mayor with a 20%
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: approval rating. And you're running in a city where Democratic
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: registration and where Kamala Harris, obviously Trump made up some
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: ground in New York in 2024, but I think Kamala
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Harris won the city by like, what, 30, 40 points? Yeah.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, also, let's talk about Eric Adams for a second.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: He is a incumbent mayor who left the Democratic Party,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: was indicted for bribery, and then in the city that
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris won overwhelmingly, he had the charges dropped for
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: him in exchange for for adopting some of Trump's deportation policies.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: It's not a good profile.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: The ice raids that New Yorkers hate right now are
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: sponsored by Eric Adams because Donald Trump owns him.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It doesn't see like anything possible.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Anything, like anything's possible in American politics in 2025, but
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: it's not a great starting spot for the Eric Adams
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: for mayor campaign.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I want to read you some other negative reactions to
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Mamdani's win. Quote, absolute wrong choice for New York. Serious concerns,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: profoundly alarmed, deeply disturbing pattern of unacceptable anti-Semitic comments. Alas,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: those are all from Democrats. The Axios headline says it all.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Democratic establishment melts down over Mamdani's win in New York.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: The concern here allegedly is that the party's candidate in
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: a 2025 mayoral race could, quote, hurt the party's brand
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: nationally in 2026 and 2028. You wrote a message box
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: on this already. Would you like to tee off here?
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: I'll let you go first if you would like.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: No, you wrote the message box. Okay. All right. I'm
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: just a lazy podcaster.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: You're running a media empire and you're podcasting every 16 seconds.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I think that you can draw a straight line between
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: how members of the ossified, sclerotic, democratic establishment have responded
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: to Trump's deportation raids and the bombing of Iran, and
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Mondani's victory, which is they are governed by a culture
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: of fear. They're so afraid of losing that they're never
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: going to win. It's like we are thinking and we
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: are reverse engineering our strategies and ideas, not by what
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: is best, what the best outcome is. It's how do
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: we minimize the worst outcome? What are Trump and the
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Republicans going to say about us? So you think about
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: all these Democrats who have refused to endorse Mondani yet.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe they all will eventually. Governor Hochul did a press
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: conference today, which was, I think, just awkward and weird
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: and not great.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Said she wasn't ready yet to endorse him?
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: So let's just think about that for a second. Here
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: you have a candidate who you may not agree with
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: on all of the issues, but he sparked a movement
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: of young people, a diverse working class coalition of young people,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: the exact people leaving our party across the board, the
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: people we have to get back. And you're going to
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: walk away from him for what? So that you can
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: support Eric Adams? He's the Democratic nominee for mayor. What
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: is the alternative here? What are you afraid of?
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: They're afraid of the ads. They're afraid of the Republican ads.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: The ads are coming either way.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: You're standing with this Muslim socialist who is anti-Semitic and
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: all the fucking garbage bullshit that they're saying.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: The idea that they're going to use Mondani in ads
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: to destroy Democrats around the country is absurd. It isn't
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: borne out by evidence. I've looked at this before. So
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: in 2014, the Republicans put Nancy Pelosi in all of
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: their ads, and they did great in the midterms. In 2018,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: the Republicans put Nancy Pelosi in all of their ads,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: and they got their ass kicked. Nancy Pelosi was in
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: just about the same number of ads. She was actually
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: less popular in 2018 than she was in 2014. And
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Democrats did great. There was just no connection to that.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: It's just, it is absurd. Just like there are things,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: you don't have to embrace this entire agenda. You have
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: to embrace everything he said. Of course not. But the fact,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: but what he accomplished in this race, what he speaks
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: about the future, the hope he's given people is something
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: that every Democrat should be learning from. It's, I'm infuriated.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Like I, as you can tell, I am infuriated. I'm
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: speaking calmly, but I am boiling over with rage on
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: the inside because it's so It's so self-defeating and stupid.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: If you wanted to endorse, if you didn't want to
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: back him in the primary, back someone else, right? I
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: think it's gross to back Cuomo in that scenario. If
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: you want to back Brad Lander or one of the
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: other candidates, great, go do that. But now he's the nominee.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: The voters have spoken, and they spoke overwhelmingly. He didn't
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: win by some like, you know, where he got like
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: 26% of the vote in a 12-candidate race. He won overwhelmingly.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Support him. He is the nominee.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take it from this perspective. let's say
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: you're a Democrat with good faith concerns about Mamdani. Like
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: you're just, you're like, it's not about that. I'm scared
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: about the ads. It's not that I'm just trying to
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: punch left. I'm genuinely concerned about him. And the concerns
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: really fall into the concerns that would make you not
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: support the Democratic nominee for mayor. If someone asks you again,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: like most of these, most of these Democrats don't even
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: fucking live in New York, but they're, you know, but
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure they'll get asked. Right. And so
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the concerns fall into two buckets, I think. One is the,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: you know, globalize the Intifada answer and all the charges
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: of anti-Semitism that come with it, right? So if you're
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: concerned about that, I bet you could call him. I
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: bet you could meet with him. You could talk to him,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: find out what he really thinks, find out what his
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: beliefs are, because he has denounced anti-Semitism many, many times.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: not just in this campaign, but throughout his career. If
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: there's other things that concern you, just give the guy
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: a call. I'm sure he'd be happy to talk to you.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: And then it's, oh, well, he's a socialist, right? We're
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: worried about social policies. Steve Ratner tweeted this today, and
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I believe the tweet was to be like, can you
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: believe these are his policies? For those not paying close attention,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: here are some of the things Mamdani believes. Free buses,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: free childcare, and pay for childcare workers equal to teachers
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: are Free city university tuition, minimum wage of $ 30 per
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: hour by 2030, rent freeze on apartments, end of mayoral
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: control of schools, city-owned grocery store program, raise corporate individual
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: taxes for high earners. I mean, it is very possible
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: to disagree with some of those policies and to even say, like,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I share the goal of making sure that more New
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Yorkers can afford to live, afford to buy a house,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: afford rent. I don't know if rent control is going
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: to work, right? Or, you know, I think that we
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: need to spend money improving the buses before we make
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: them free. Like, there's a whole bunch of ways you
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: can say, yeah, it might differ on some of the policy. But, like,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: those policies are not some fucking, like, take control of
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: the means of production shit.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Also, the grocery store thing is a pilot program with
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: one grocery store.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: Five.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: It's one for Burrow.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: And as he said to, you know, I heard about it,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: because I thought that too. I'm like, People were like,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: nationalize the grocery stores. And I'm like, what is that?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: And then I heard him talking to Tim Miller about it.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: And he's like, it's a pilot program. If it works, great.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: If it doesn't work, we don't do it. And that's
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: why we're trying one per borough.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because food deserts are a huge problem. So let's
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: try to fix it. Maybe it's not the right solution,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: but at least he's trying.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I said this before. The guy could
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: succeed wildly. He could be fine. He could fail as mayor.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: But like, we let a lot of other democratic politicians
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: run cities, run states, go to Congress, and sometimes they
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: do well, sometimes they do fucking horrible, and then you
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: vote them out of office. I just don't understand why
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: this has to be the biggest fucking deal ever.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the idea of punching left, right? This idea
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: that you're going to show your independence by attacking people
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: to your ideological flank. The old phrase back in the
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: 60s was hippie punching, right? And To think that that
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: is a good idea in this environment shows that you
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: fundamentally do not understand politics in the post-Trump era. Because
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: we do not exist on a continuum of left and right.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: It is inside, outside. Which is exactly why Trump can
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: make gains in New York City and a 33-year-old Democratic
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Socialist can win the primary against the former governor. Because
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: both of them are change. We can disagree about Trump,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: but they represent change. They represent a challenge to the establishment.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: So if you are– this is my advice to Democrats
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: out there who are looking to show their independence because
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: they feel weighed down by our absolutely dismal party brand
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: right now. Don't punch left. Punch up. What people are
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: mad about is the Democratic establishment. If you feel– if
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: you have a problem with your party, that's who– they
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: want to see that you are willing to break with
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: your party on that. Not that– like just simply attacking
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: people to the left to show you're moderate isn't answering
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: the question the voters are asking. They're asking, are you
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: someone who can take on a broken political system? And
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: you do that by showing that you are not going
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: to be obedient to the party bosses.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump tried to steal the last election. When he failed,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: fomented a violent insurrection against the Capitol. Cops were brutally assaulted.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: They tried to kill members of Congress and his own
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: vice president. He then wins the election, pardons the people
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: who violently assaulted cops, And what we've had, at least
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of the administration, is some Democrats being like,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I'll work with them. I'll work with them where it
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: makes sense. I'll vote for some of his nominees where
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: they're good. Now, Now we're like, oh, but if it's
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: the mayor of New York City who wants to give
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: people free buses and rent control and has said that
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: he doesn't know if he's going to police the term
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: globalize the intifada, even though he doesn't use it, which
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: is admittedly a dumb answer. But for that, for him,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: we're going to say, absolutely not. This is very concerning.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: But for Donald fucking Trump, be like, well, I'll work
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: with them where I can.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: If you are more concerned about... Democratic Socialist in City
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Hall than a fascist in the White House. You're not
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: living in the right times here, people.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Even if we're talking about right now, there's this whole
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: debate where it's like, oh, a Democrat called for for
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Trump's impeachment and this and that. And it's like, yeah,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I get that impeachment is a road to nowhere because
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: we don't have the votes, but like, of course this
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: man should be impeached. If we fucking had the votes,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: he shouldn't be in office. But like Democrats are like, Oh,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We can't, no one can even say
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: the word impeachment. It's so scary. We don't want to
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: look too extreme, but, but you know, when it comes
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: to talking about Mamdani, they have no problems, no problems whatsoever.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: And look, it's, It's been a handful. It's been a
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: handful of people so far. But I don't want that
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: to spread.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, the congressional leadership of the House and the
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Senate have yet to endorse the Democratic nominee for mayor
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: from the city in which they both live and vote.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. You're going to end up endorsing it.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Of course you are. You know where this is going.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer aren't going to spend from
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: now until fucking November just dancing around this. They're not
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: going to end up in a place where they fucking
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: endorse Eric Adams. And so what did they think?
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: No one pulls a Band-Aid off more slowly than a
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: member of Democratic leadership. It's like, just do it.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: God.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: This was cathartic. It was cathartic. Yes, I feel good now.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I thought that you would tee off and I would
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: try to save my anger, but I couldn't do it.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: All right. When we come back from the break, you'll
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: hear my conversation with California Congressman Robert Garcia. Quick announcement
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: before that, Strict Scrutiny dropped two bonus episodes this week,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: one on the Supreme Court's Planned Parenthood decision, which was
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: fucking awful, and another on the wave of major rulings
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: that followed. They break down what it means, how these
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: decisions could affect people's lives. So go check out Strict
• 51:56
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• 51:59
  Speaker 2: When we come back, Robert Garcia.
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  Speaker 2: Congressman Garcia, welcome to Plot Save America.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, happy to be here. Thank you.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: So you're now the top Democrat on the Oversight Committee.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Congrats on winning that big election. Thank you.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: I'm obviously just very grateful to the caucus. And look,
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: I think obviously the oversight, as you know, is like
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: the heart of what Congress does, which is transparency, investigations,
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: holding the powerful accountable. Obviously, we're going to hold Donald
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Trump accountable in new ways, and I'm looking forward to that.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: And I think it was good for the party and
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: the caucus to expand the tent and bring in some
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: new folks. And I think that's also a good sign
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: for where the party is going. And I certainly hope so.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: What power do you have, for people who don't know,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: on that committee as the ranking member, the minority party? Obviously,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Republicans control Congress and control that committee. And so what
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: powers do you have and what do you plan to
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: do with them?
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, a couple of things. I think one is, look,
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: as a ranking member and certainly in the minority, we
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: still have investigative power. So we can still launch investigations.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: We can still work and try to get legislation done.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: We can still push back in committees and outside to
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: talk to the American people directly. And I think it's
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: really important that when we have these hearings, that we're
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: bringing the fire, that we're being honest and direct with
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: the American public, that we're pushing back on every lie.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: that is told by the far-magic right. I mean, look,
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: you've got Nancy Mace, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Jim Comer.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is kind of the worst of the
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: worst of the liars and the extreme right in Congress.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: And so we're gonna have to push back and communicate
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: the message, a winning message, a message that's kind of
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: forward-looking for the country. And then I think also at
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: the same time, I wanna build the best and the brightest,
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: not just on the committee and invite new folks to join,
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: But we're going to build a team of oversight staffers.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: There's already some incredible team members. But we want to
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: bring in even more folks that are committed to this work.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: And they're also going to look at our committee structure
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: that we can communicate more effectively to the American public.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: We need to be in every single digital space communicating
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: in a way that the American public can understand these investigations,
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: that they're relatable to the American public, and that they
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: can see through the lies and deception of James Comer
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: and Donald Trump.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: So on that note, you know, as you pointed out,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: you've got some of the biggest clowns in the Republican
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Party on that committee, just attention-starved clowns. How do you
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: think about balancing the need to push back, as you say,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: and call out the lies without helping them turn these
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: hearings into a circus, right, which is what they want? And,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: you know, it also turns off some people who are watching.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's two pieces of it. I mean, look,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: they're bringing the clown show. We've got Maxwell Frost and
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Greg Kassar and Jasmine Crockett, Summer Lee and so many
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: others that are going to, I think, deliver and communicate
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: broadly to the American public. At the same time, I've
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: told them and I've told the committee team that we're
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: going to build a forward-looking agenda. Not only are we
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: going to focus on investigations and we're going to investigate
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: not just Donald Trump, but corporate power that wants to
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: abuse the American public. We're going to take on some
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: of the big issues that are happening right now, whether
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: it's ICE or whether it's big corporations trying to rip
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: off middle-class families. We're also going to have a forward-looking
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: agenda of government reform. The committee is oversight and government reform.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: And we don't do enough of that. People want to
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: see the federal government be more efficient, be more effective,
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: ensure that we're providing services quicker and faster to constituents.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: These are all things that are highly popular across the country.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: And so, yes, we need to be the opposition party
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: and have investigations and bring that fire. But we are
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: going to lay out a vision for how we actually
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: make government work better for people. I think it's going
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: to be highly popular. And I'm really excited in putting
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: together that plan.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: And it sounds like that's something that Democrats could run
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: on in the midterms.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: 100%. And I think it's also something, I mean, I
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: kind of pitched myself to the caucus as someone that's
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: done a lot of government reform. I was a big
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: city mayor before I got to Congress just a couple
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: of years ago, and we made government faster. We used technology.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: We brought in innovation. We weren't afraid of efficiency. Efficiency
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: can't be a word that Republicans co-opt to mean the
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: destruction of government or doze or eliminating workers. Efficiency can
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: mean actually making government faster, making employees and the workforce
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: be more attentive and work closer with the public and constituents.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: And using technology... to actually make our services work better.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: So I think all of that is under our jurisdiction.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: And I think it also could be a forward-looking agenda
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: that could absolutely help with the midterms.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: So there's a story today about a Los Angeles family
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: suing the Trump administration because armed federal agents wearing no
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: uniform arrested their nine-year-old and six-year-old who has leukemia as
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: they walked out of their asylum hearing with their mother.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: This is from the story, They were crying in fear.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: One of the agents lifted up his shirt to display
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: the gun he was carrying, and the six-year-old was so
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: terrified he urinated on himself. No one offered him a
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: change of clothing. They were shipped to Texas, and the
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: six-year-old missed a medical appointment. appointment even though his cancer
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: symptoms got worse. These kids were enrolled in LA public schools.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I have run out of ways to express how outraged
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: and disgusted I am by Stephen Miller terrorizing communities. And
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: the question I get asked all the time from people is,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: what more can we be doing about this? It feels
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: like we hear these horrible stories and everyone speaks about them,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: but what more can we be doing? What do you think?
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: First of all, I mean, what's happening right now is just,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: it is so inhumane and gross. And as an immigrant
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: myself who came here as a young kid, it's not
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: the America that so many immigrants come to to actually
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: be a part of, to fight for, to fight for citizenship.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: The American dream that immigrants are actually drawn to is
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: being ripped away from people. And the inhumanity the essentially
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: dehumanizing immigrants so that they're less than human is Stephen
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: Miller doing what he loves to do, which is be
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: essentially the biggest piece of shit on in this country.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: Stephen Miller should be ashamed for the way he's acting.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: I can't even believe he's from our state, which actually
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: makes me more, more sick. And I'll, and I'll say
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: that I'll say that like what's, what's happening right now
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: is it's not just that story, which is horrific. I mean,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: it's the, the dad of those Marines that got essentially
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: beat on a street. It's children that are US citizens
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: being deported, as we know, to other countries without consent.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Due process in our Constitution is given to citizens and non-citizens.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: It's all persons.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: And I don't know what part of all persons that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: Kristi Noem, Donald Trump, and Stephen Miller don't understand. And
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: so what has to happen now, I think you're seeing
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: some of that. One is we are winning some of
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: these cases in the courts. And I think that's been
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: a really important vehicle for Democrats. We've got to continue
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: winning in the courts, and that's going to continue. And
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: the other piece of it, people's reaction, the protesting, the anger,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: the rising up against these actions also is having an effect.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: And you're seeing that. I mean, what's happening in LA,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: which was widely, as you know, mostly peaceful. And yes,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: there were some incidents of violence. We denounced those. We
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: get that. But widely peaceful. The protests are energizing the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: population and the public to stand up against this. And
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: we are seeing the impact it's having on the Republicans electorally.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, Trump's immigration numbers have never been as low
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: as they are right now because they're seeing what he
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: wants to do implemented across the country. So that's going
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: to be really important. And then finally, Democrats in Congress
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: and across the country, we've got to fight. We've got
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: to continue to fight really hard. It does feel in
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: these last few weeks, last month or so, that there
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: is a shift happening. I really do sense that Democrats,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: people have found their footing in They're being more aggressive.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: They're getting out in the street more. And so I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: hope that wave kind of continues. And hopefully we can
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: stop the worst from happening and encourage some actually good
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: legislation moving forward.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Do you plan to conduct investigations from your perch on
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: the Oversight Committee of ICE and DHS? And do you
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: think that any of these officials would actually show up
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: at the hearings?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: One is absolutely. You can take it to the bank.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, going after.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: The corruption of what's happening right now in ICE and
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: Homeland Security is going to be a critical piece of
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: our oversight agenda. And even in the minority, we actually
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: have some oversight investigative work coming up here in the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: next few weeks specific to ICE. But certainly, that is
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: going to be a big focus of what we do.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Broadly speaking, of course, when we're able to have subpoena
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: power and actually take over the investigations, one thing I've
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: told people is you can rest assured that if you
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: are right now causing the level of harm that the
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Stephen Millers of the world are, that these ICE agents are,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: that the corruption that's happening to destroy our institutions, you
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: are going to be held accountable. We are not going
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: to forget the harm that you're causing to people and
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: our government. We are going to use the power of
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: subpoena investigations. We're going to ensure transparency, and these folks
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: are going to be held accountable.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: I know you've been working really hard to get answers
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: from the administration on Andre Romero Hernandez's the Venezuelan asylum
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: seeker who they've disappeared to Seacott. And I know you
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: were talking about this with Lovett and Tim Miller at
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: the Pride event a couple of weeks ago. Any other
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: updates you've gotten on Andre?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: You know, no, I'm hopeful that we'll get an update soon.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: There is a lot happening right now with the case.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: We're in very close contact with the lawyers and the family.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: And I will tell you that they're some of the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: most compassionate, Smart people are working on this case right now.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: And I remind everyone that Andrei came to our country
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: seeking asylum with an appointment that we gave him. We said,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: come to this appointment on this day and this time,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: and then we detain him and then send him to
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: a country he's never been to, to a notorious prison.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: And as you know, someone that's described as very sweet
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: by his family. And so just horrific, the cruelty level.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: We are, of course, in the courts right now on
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: this case. There is some movement. I'm really hoping that
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: the proof of life piece, which is so critical, we're
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: hoping to get that some proof of life here soon.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: And I'm hoping there'll be some positive developments, which I'm
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: hoping that will be announced soon.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: That would be wonderful. Republicans in Congress right now are
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: still trying to get the votes for their bill to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: cut taxes for the rich and health care for the rest.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Do you think any of your Republican colleagues... in the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: House will actually defy Donald Trump and vote against this bill?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: And what do Democrats have planned to make noise about
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: this as we get closer to a final vote?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, first, I can't believe that they're doing it.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: This is like literally insane that the amount of people
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: that are going to lose health care, I mean, millions,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: 16 million people could lose health care and food assistance.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just, it has nothing to do with
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: anything that Donald Trump or Republicans actually campaigned on. What
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: happened to lowering the costs groceries and the cost of goods.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: And if you think about our state alone, right, in California,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: the Republican Californians could actually stop this bill, but they
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: are just complete cowards and just bend the knee to
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: whatever Donald Trump wants. These, you know, supposedly moderate members,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: which are not moderate, they're extremists, are not standing up
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: to Speaker Johnson and the president. Take David Valadao. David
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: Valadao has more people on Medicaid, or we call it
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Medi-Cal here in California, more people on Medicaid than any
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: other member of Congress in the state of California. His
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: population of constituents depend on Medicare for their healthcare, for
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: their livelihood to live. And yet he's going to vote
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: to cut that care. Young Kim here in Southern California
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: likes to talk a good game. She's all in the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: tank for cutting health care from workers and teachers in
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: her district. And so we're starting by holding these California
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: Republicans accountable. And there are other Republicans across the country
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: who are now very nervous about the progress of this
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: bill in the Senate. I hope that there's some senators
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: that will do the right thing. But we can stop
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: this if we just had a handful of Republicans who
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  Speaker 4: didn't believe in cutting health care for our grandparents.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to read you some reactions to Zoran
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  Speaker 2: Mamdani's winning the Democratic primary for mayor of New York. Quote,
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  Speaker 2: absolute wrong choice for New York. Quote, serious concerns, profoundly alarmed,
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  Speaker 2: deeply disturbing pattern of unacceptable anti-Semitic comments. Those are all
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  Speaker 2: from Democrats, many of them your House colleagues. I know
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  Speaker 2: you've praised Mamdani's win and said Democrats need to get
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  Speaker 2: on board. What would you say in response to your
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  Speaker 2: colleagues' concerns?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Anyone that has followed this campaign or that has seen
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  Speaker 4: the way he's connected with voters and New Yorkers can
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  Speaker 4: see that this is someone that we should be taking
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  Speaker 4: lessons from. Let's be first clear. He is a Democratic
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  Speaker 4: nominee for mayor in New York. And so if you
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  Speaker 4: are a Democrat, And you believe in building our party.
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  Speaker 4: He is our nominee. And I expect that we are
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  Speaker 4: going to be on board, not just at the national level,
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  Speaker 4: but across the country and certainly in New York. The
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  Speaker 4: second thing is there's a lot of, I think, rhetoric
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  Speaker 4: about why he won. And people want to attribute foreign
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  Speaker 4: policy issues or what's happening in the Middle East or
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  Speaker 4: other things. Or he's from the DSA or he's a socialist.
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  Speaker 4: I think that is actually not the centerpiece of why
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  Speaker 4: he won. He won because he actually had a forward-looking agenda.
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  Speaker 4: He had an agenda that was positive, that people felt.
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  Speaker 4: He's talking about lowering the cost of living, buses and
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  Speaker 4: transit that's free, rent stabilization for New Yorkers across all
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  Speaker 4: the boroughs. These are widely popular issues with people. And
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  Speaker 4: the people are saying, yes, we think those should be
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  Speaker 4: Democratic priorities. So we should be listening to the people
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  Speaker 4: on the ground that powered this election. And then he
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  Speaker 4: took those ideas, a forward-looking agenda, and matched it with
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  Speaker 4: some of the best political retail skills and communication skills
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  Speaker 4: that we've seen in modern campaigning. I mean, his digital program,
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  Speaker 4: what he was communicating online was insane. I mean, every
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  Speaker 4: time I saw something different in the way he communicated
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  Speaker 4: with people, I mean, I told folks here in DC,
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  Speaker 4: I said, are you guys seeing this? We're going around
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  Speaker 4: spending $ 10, $ 20 million to for spending on consultants to
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  Speaker 4: figure out how we reach voters. I'm like, can we
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  Speaker 4: just like listen and watch what this guy is doing? Look,
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  Speaker 4: you don't have to agree with all of his positions.
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  Speaker 4: And many folks are going to have different positions than
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  Speaker 4: Zoran has, whether it's on foreign policy issues or on
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  Speaker 4: economic issues. But he is our nominee. He speaks to
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  Speaker 4: New Yorkers. We should get behind him and we should
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  Speaker 4: learn from what he's doing in this campaign.
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  Speaker 2: So he, last question on this, and then I'll let
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  Speaker 2: you go. He, certainly expanded the coalition. He brought in
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  Speaker 2: new voters. I think he did better with some working
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  Speaker 2: middle-class voters than people expected. He lost to Cuomo by
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  Speaker 2: 20 points among people making under $ 50, 000. He lost black
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  Speaker 2: voters by 20 points. And this is obviously not a
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  Speaker 2: Mamdani thing. This has been a pattern for Democrats stretching
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  Speaker 2: back to the 2024 election and even earlier than that.
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  Speaker 2: But my thought is, okay, here's someone who has populist,
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  Speaker 2: progressive economic policies that were the focus of his campaign.
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  Speaker 2: He's a fantastic communicator. He's a really skilled politician. He
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  Speaker 2: got to go meet tons and tons of voters. If
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  Speaker 2: that can't win over working class voters, where are your
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on what Democrats should do in both the midterms
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  Speaker 2: and beyond to win over some of these working class
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  Speaker 2: voters who, you know, either used to vote Democrat or
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  Speaker 2: would certainly benefit from Democratic policies.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I have this conversation all the time with
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  Speaker 4: my colleagues here in Congress and friends. I think there's
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  Speaker 4: two pieces. I think one is, look, he did overperform
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  Speaker 4: in some of those margins. I mean, you look at
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  Speaker 4: some of the black and brown voters in New York,
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  Speaker 4: he actually, look at the Latino vote, he did better
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  Speaker 4: than expected.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm grateful to that.
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  Speaker 4: And he made the effort, right? Which is really important.
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  Speaker 4: thing about the left, and I think something we've all
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  Speaker 4: got to grapple with, is yes, class issues and working
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  Speaker 4: class issues are key and central and are so important
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  Speaker 4: and should be driving policy. But also black and brown voters,
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  Speaker 4: especially within the black community that are the bedrock of
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  Speaker 4: our party and our voter, issues of racial justice, of
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  Speaker 4: racial injustice, and of race are central and are important.
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  Speaker 4: And to leave some of that conversation behind off the table,
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  Speaker 4: I think is a huge mistake for progressives and folks
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  Speaker 4: on the left. And so I think we have to
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  Speaker 4: have an honest conversation, kind of both sides of the family,
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  Speaker 4: about both are important. And a lot of the folks
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  Speaker 4: that I talk to, Latinos, working class Latinos, they feel
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  Speaker 4: the system is broken. But they also want the racial
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: injustice to be recognized as part of that broader conversation.
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  Speaker 4: So there's a lot of work to do there. We've
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  Speaker 4: got some talented people talking about this. I think I
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  Speaker 4: think whether it's Zoran or others across this country, we
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  Speaker 4: got to bring all of us together and talk about
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: this divide because it is real and it's going to
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  Speaker 4: be a challenge for us moving forward to win elections.
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  Speaker 2: Congressman Garcia, great talking to you. Thanks for joining and
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  Speaker 2: come back again soon.
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  Speaker 4: Anytime, man.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks. That's our show for today. Dan's going to be
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  Speaker 2: back on Sunday with a conversation with epidemiologist Caitlin Gedalina
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: to talk about RFK Jr. and the threat he presents
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: to science and public health. Dan, are you MAHA curious now?
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm not MAHA curious. I am quite concerned about
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: what they're doing to our vaccines. But I do want
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: to talk to Caitlin about, because she has actually met
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  Speaker 3: with some of the leaders in the MAHA movement, about
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  Speaker 3: what it is who brought them, in many cases from
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  Speaker 3: our side, to the MAGA movement and how we get
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  Speaker 3: them back.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to listen to that. All right, everyone,
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  Speaker 2: have a great weekend, and we'll talk to you soon. Bye, everyone.
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