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Bengals Booth Podcast: You Can Talk To Me · Bengals Booth Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. The you Can Talk to Me. Addition,
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  Speaker 1: as I debut a new segment called Off the Field
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  Speaker 1: on the spot, I think you'll enjoy my nothing is
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  Speaker 1: Off Limits conversation with Orlando Brown Junior plus NFL owners,
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  Speaker 1: Zips Cafe. Now time for something a little different. Here
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  Speaker 1: on the Bengals Booth podcast, we are debuting a new
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  Speaker 1: SEGM meant I call off the field on the spot.
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  Speaker 1: My first guest will be great at this. It's a
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  Speaker 1: candid conversation with Orlando Brown Junior. Here we go. You're
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  Speaker 1: six eight three point fifty. What's the biggest inconvenience about
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  Speaker 1: being that big man?
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  Speaker 2: It's so many The biggest inconvenience is probably I mean
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  Speaker 2: after flying private This is gonna sound so stuck up
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  Speaker 2: in bougie, but after having the finances to be able
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  Speaker 2: to fly private. I would tell you the biggest inconvenience
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  Speaker 2: is flying on a commercial plane.
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  Speaker 3: I have no doubt that is probably.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the last time that I was on a
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  Speaker 2: commercial plane, I actually broke the seat, and I remember
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  Speaker 2: the stewardess was so upset because I was sleeping and
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  Speaker 2: she thought I wouldn't move my seat up, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I told her, I said, Man, the seat broke. She's
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  Speaker 2: very upset about it on a delta flight. But to me,
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  Speaker 2: I think I would have to say that roller coasters.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't wrote a roller coaster since high school.
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  Speaker 3: That sucks. I got two boys, obviously I.
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  Speaker 2: Can't ride my roller coasters with them. What else, Man,
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  Speaker 2: it's probably the two main ones to me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm six too, and a plane is difficult
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  Speaker 1: for me, So I can't imagine what a commercial seed
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  Speaker 1: is like for you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: When your career is finished, Will you do what guys
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  Speaker 1: like Anthony Munoz have done and try to slim way down?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna have to. Honestly, it's
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  Speaker 2: probably the healthiest option for me. You know, it's interesting
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  Speaker 2: because some guys are three thirty and they got to
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  Speaker 2: try to stay three thirty. You know, some guys are
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  Speaker 2: two ninety and they gotta try their hardest to play
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  Speaker 2: at three h five. For me, I I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: could take four in heals in game five hounds. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's definitely gonna be a task that I
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  Speaker 2: got to focus on when I'm done playing balls, dropping weight,
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  Speaker 2: dropping more weight, probably probably just getting down probably as
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  Speaker 2: low as I could.
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  Speaker 1: We know a lot about your dad, Orlando Senior Zeus,
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  Speaker 1: great NFL player. I know very little about your mom.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about her and the impact she had on
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  Speaker 1: you getting to where you are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably the largest impact in terms of my personality
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  Speaker 2: being able to be a lot more social. My dad
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  Speaker 2: was a lot more aggressive, more football oriented. Uh you
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  Speaker 2: know he was. You know, he's like your og, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean. And so, but my mom created,
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  Speaker 2: uh you know, just that confidence that I have to
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  Speaker 2: be able to be myself, being comfortable talking, you know,
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  Speaker 2: wearing this foxtail all the time. You know, all those
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  Speaker 2: little things I think come from my mom. To be honest,
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  Speaker 2: I look more like my mom than my dad in
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  Speaker 2: the face.
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  Speaker 1: So do you have cool stuff from your dad's career
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  Speaker 1: in terms of keep sakes, memory, bila and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Well a lot of people noticed that.
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  Speaker 2: No, my dad, he was a klepto, so he would
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  Speaker 2: take a lot of different things. And although, you know,
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  Speaker 2: back then, I think the culture was more like, even
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  Speaker 2: though you didn't play in the Pro Bowl, you might
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  Speaker 2: still go down go out to Hawaii to support friends
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  Speaker 2: or teammates. And so my dad would go out there
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  Speaker 2: every now and again and he would come back with something.
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  Speaker 2: So I've got Barry Sanders signed jerseys. I've got Dann
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  Speaker 2: Marino signed jersey. I don't know who this punter was
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  Speaker 2: from the nineties, but it's a Bengals helmet number.
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  Speaker 1: Four, maybe probably Lee Johnson?
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  Speaker 3: Is that Lee Johnson? Okay? I think, yeah, so I
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  Speaker 3: have one of your helmets, so I do.
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  Speaker 2: I've got I've got some really cool stuff for my
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  Speaker 2: dad as well. And to be honest, man, it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of led into you know, even for me. You know,
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  Speaker 2: just some some cool stuff that I've collected over my career.
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  Speaker 2: I've got, you know, Joe's jersey from when he passed
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  Speaker 2: that ten thousand mark against Carolina two years ago in
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  Speaker 2: twenty four. I got that after the game and just
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  Speaker 2: so happened to be a coincidence that was his jersey,
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  Speaker 2: but from uh or he was passing that mark.
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  Speaker 3: What else do I have? I've got uh there was a.
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  Speaker 2: Touchdown when we played against the New England Patriots on
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  Speaker 2: Sunday night my second year in Baltimore.
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  Speaker 3: I pulled Lamar.
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  Speaker 2: In over me and uh he signed it for me
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  Speaker 2: and wrote half a touchdown on a point five TD
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  Speaker 2: and signed it for me.
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  Speaker 3: So I got that football.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to think, Man, I've been able to collect some
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  Speaker 2: really cool things.
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  Speaker 3: I got some cool jerseys as well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Then there are the jerseys that you wear around. So
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  Speaker 1: last year in the draft you're wearing a Boomer Asias
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  Speaker 1: in jersey. You've come in here in hockey jerseys before.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you have like a closet full of jerseys?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Used to see it, It's yeah, used to see it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I really do.
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  Speaker 2: And you know that's just that's actually another turn for
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  Speaker 2: my dad man, and really my side. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: one of the easier things to find is a nice
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  Speaker 2: size hockey jersey for some reason and make them big.
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  Speaker 2: And I just discovered them probably in the last three
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  Speaker 2: years since I've been here.
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  Speaker 3: So you guys got the bulk of it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm a Buffalo Sabers fan, and they're really good
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  Speaker 1: this year for the first time in forever. So when
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  Speaker 1: you show up in a Sabers jersey, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: be very impressed.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going I'm going to find one.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let me help me hit you with some
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  Speaker 1: offensive line questions. What's something about offensive line play that fans, media,
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  Speaker 1: whomever completely misunderstand?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Sure it's a long time.
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  Speaker 2: I know i'd like but you know, some people actually
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  Speaker 2: do understand it. You know that have you know, been
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  Speaker 2: around the game. Gosh, just so many things. But I
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  Speaker 2: think you know, when we talk about, uh, really football
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  Speaker 2: in general, you know, it's hard to have perspective about something,
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  Speaker 2: and so much of offensive line and what you do
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  Speaker 2: is a feel.
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  Speaker 3: You know. It's not necessarily.
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  Speaker 2: Based around turning on the tape and saying, Okay, this
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  Speaker 2: rusher likes to do. He likes to speed rush up
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  Speaker 2: field and rip his rip his left hand and he
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  Speaker 2: finishes this way. It's more of a feel because you
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  Speaker 2: don't really have time to sit there and plan all
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  Speaker 2: these different things in the moment, and so I think
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  Speaker 2: for a lot of offensive linemen and people that watch
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  Speaker 2: the watch a game, uh, you know, I think when
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  Speaker 2: I when I'm studying an opponent, I'm studying his field.
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  Speaker 2: I'm studying what does what does Miles Garrett feel like
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  Speaker 2: in his fifth step of his rush when he's leaning
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  Speaker 2: on me, you know what I mean? Like and players
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  Speaker 2: that I normally go to a gauge on for like
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  Speaker 2: a great feel, like Jake Matthews.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it's a guy I can watch and say.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this guy might have a little bit more power
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  Speaker 2: if if you know, he was able to get Jake
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  Speaker 2: in this position. You know, I watched a lot of
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  Speaker 2: Taylor Decker film, Trent Williams, Lane Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: If I need to get a gauge on a guy,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I.
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  Speaker 2: Try to find a more experienced tackle that's been doing
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  Speaker 2: it for a long time because they.
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  Speaker 3: Have such a great feel for the game.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's probably an underrated aspect of the
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  Speaker 2: position that someone may not be able to understand.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, we're off the field and on the spot with
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  Speaker 1: Orlando Brown Junior. What do you actually hear in a
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  Speaker 1: noisy road environment?
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  Speaker 3: Man Joe Burrow. That's about it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I when I'm in the moment and I'm
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  Speaker 2: out there on the field. For me, I'm I'm listening
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  Speaker 2: to the play call. I'm listening to the snapcount.
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  Speaker 3: I hear my.
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  Speaker 2: Guard, I hear ted always, I might hear Mens make
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  Speaker 2: a call, might hear Jamar talking a little trash. Other
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  Speaker 2: than that, I'm not really I can't hear the crowd,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I would tell you the lotest environments I've
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  Speaker 2: played in the NFL last year being Minnesota, which was
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  Speaker 2: insane crazy. I played obviously in Kansas City when they
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  Speaker 2: were hot. I played for Kansas City when we were high.
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  Speaker 2: It was it was pretty loud and I still to
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  Speaker 2: this day, man. One of the lot oft games I
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  Speaker 2: played in was in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: two here when I was in Kansas City. That Sunday
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  Speaker 2: four o'clock kickoff game was I mean, incredibly loud, and
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  Speaker 2: to be honest, you can't hear anything past it gotten.
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  Speaker 3: Next to you.
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  Speaker 2: So but I'm just I'm really just more so focused.
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  Speaker 3: I'm in the moment.
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  Speaker 2: I'm listening for play called cadence. You know, any communication
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  Speaker 2: I need to make with the center reguard sometimes, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, sometimes MIMS might have to make a call.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta make sure I hear that.
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  Speaker 1: So offensive linemen historically have not had stats. Then PFF
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  Speaker 1: came along with grades. How accurate are they?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I don't want to I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to dog them out, but I think when we talk
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  Speaker 2: about like it goes back to perspective.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I think, in my personal opinion, like, let's just take
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  Speaker 2: a stat like a pressure. You know, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: an overrated statistic. I think we're complimenting rushers for almost
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  Speaker 2: getting there, and we're telling offensive linemen that, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you had a negative effect on this play, but your
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  Speaker 2: guy didn't get there, but he almost got there, and
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  Speaker 2: you somewhat quote unquote had a negative offense. And a
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  Speaker 2: pressure could be something as simple as you push in
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  Speaker 2: the god past the quarterback and he throws an arm
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  Speaker 2: out and we complete the pass for thirty yards and
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  Speaker 2: maybe even we score on that play. But I respect
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  Speaker 2: what PFF does. I think it does have it. It
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  Speaker 2: does have a ton of insight in terms of I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to think of the proper word, like the logistics
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  Speaker 2: of the game, you know, you might be able to
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  Speaker 2: look at some of their statistics and say, Okay, this
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  Speaker 2: guy wins with a lot of inside Russians, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of outside Russians turns on the tape, and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of those things matter.
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  Speaker 3: But I've never really looked into the grades.
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  Speaker 1: So how accurate is Madden?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Madden? Though?
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  Speaker 2: What's my guys named? Clint Oldenberg? Former old lineman? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we can do better, That's all I'm gonna say. We
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  Speaker 2: can do better.
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  Speaker 1: What's the hardest block for you to execute?
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  Speaker 3: Hardest block?
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  Speaker 2: This varies person a person, but man, I've I've always
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  Speaker 2: struggled with being great on a wide receiver screen. That's
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  Speaker 2: like probably the hardest block for me as a wide
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  Speaker 2: receiver screen. So that's something I got to get better at.
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  Speaker 2: I've been trying to get better at my whole life
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  Speaker 2: playing this game. That's probably the hardest block for me.
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  Speaker 1: What's the worst you've ever felt after giving up a sack?
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  Speaker 3: Worst? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Man, that's a great question. Worst, Damn, that's a great question.
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  Speaker 2: I like, I genuinely like this is going to sound crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I wash it immediately, I do. I like I watch
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  Speaker 2: it so like I'm trying to think I've never given
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  Speaker 2: up a sacking like going into in tank the whole game,
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  Speaker 2: like worst feeling sack. I definitely would tell you that
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  Speaker 2: damn record he got here. That's probably like top of
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  Speaker 2: the list, So that's forever gonna be fresh.
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  Speaker 1: It's the most recent.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It is more.
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  Speaker 1: Literally, does trash talk ever get under your skin?
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  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoy trash talking, man, It's a part of my
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  Speaker 2: competitive nature.
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  Speaker 3: And gosh, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, I'm a big, bullied, the bully kind of guy.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I've been big my whole life, and
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  Speaker 2: going to school in public school systems in Baltimore, you
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  Speaker 2: run into a lot of different personalities and never shot
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  Speaker 2: away from it.
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  Speaker 3: So I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Without naming any names, what's the dirtiest thing an opponent
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  Speaker 1: has ever done to you on the field?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh, dirtiest. There's one that really stands out
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  Speaker 2: as from college. Trying to think of NFL too. I
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  Speaker 2: haven't really had anything in the NFL dirty, but in
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  Speaker 2: college I was a pancake the guy University of Kansas.
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  Speaker 3: And he put me in an armbar.
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  Speaker 2: He was like some MMA specialists, And I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 2: telling you that I don't know if you ever put
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  Speaker 2: in like something like a GIA team.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought was trying to break it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh he was, yeah, yeah, yeah that was the dirtiest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, did you get revenge?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he came back in the game after that.
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  Speaker 2: We were blowing their ass out. But sorry to curse.
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  Speaker 1: But what do you do the night before a road game?
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  Speaker 2: I guess it really varies. I'm trying to think back
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  Speaker 2: on the last year. It really varies. I'm the day
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  Speaker 2: before a game for me is like the opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: reset mentally, if that makes sense. I'm just preparing my
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  Speaker 2: mind for what I'm about to go into. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm just constantly I spend a lot of time
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  Speaker 2: Saturdays or the day before a game prepping my prepping
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  Speaker 2: my mind that no matter what, I'm gonna finish this game,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna play well, you know, visualizing.
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  Speaker 3: I will tell you it's mostly that.
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  Speaker 2: I probably my Saturday night meal is normally pretty big
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  Speaker 2: because I don't eat on game day. If we play
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  Speaker 2: a Sunday night, I won't, or Monday night or Thursday night,
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  Speaker 2: I'll eat a little bit a little bit less on
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  Speaker 2: a Saturday because I will have like a morning breakfast,
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  Speaker 2: a small morning breakfast, but I don't eat on game day.
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  Speaker 2: So for a normal Sunday afternoon one o'clock, four o'clock kickoff,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not eating.
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  Speaker 1: Does it make you feel sluggish or why don't you eat?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like you know that saying like a
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  Speaker 2: hungry dog, Like it's like the polar bear concept. It's
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  Speaker 2: like I've got so much energy stored already. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: I just feel I don't know, I just feel really keen,
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  Speaker 2: like I feel really locked in, really keen, very I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, like I'm able to absorb just the moment more,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And I've never been in a situation in
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  Speaker 2: a game or on the sideline like, man, I'm hungry.
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  Speaker 2: I've never I've never been on the sideline in a
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  Speaker 2: fourth quarter an overtime game and be like, gosh, I
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  Speaker 2: wish I ate, or I'm so hungry, I need a
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  Speaker 2: snack like my nutrition just hatea but uh.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't.
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  Speaker 2: That's just uh, I guess it's just how I am, man,
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  Speaker 2: how I've always been.
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  Speaker 1: We are off the field and on the spot with
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  Speaker 1: Orlando Brown Junior. Let me ask you about some teammates
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  Speaker 1: and coaches that you've had. Your first NFL head coach
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  Speaker 1: was John Harbon Baltimore. When you're telling your grandkids someday
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  Speaker 1: about playing for him, what will stand out?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man, so many things? You know. I think Coach
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  Speaker 3: Harball is a master motivator.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: He knows how to get the most out of his
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  Speaker 2: locker room, you know, putting leaders in the proper positions.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I learned a lot from him in terms of a
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  Speaker 2: great NFL foundation, in terms of work ethic, day to
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  Speaker 2: day approach, being the same consistent personality. That was probably
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  Speaker 2: my biggest takeaway from him that really, like I think
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  Speaker 2: has allowed my career to trend up each and every year,
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  Speaker 2: is how to approach your day to.
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  Speaker 1: Day same question Andy Reid.
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  Speaker 2: Coach Reid is obviously, if not the greatest head coach
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  Speaker 2: of all time.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: You know, he's up there in that conversation.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I learned so much from him about the
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: game of football big picture, knowing what your quarterback is thinking,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: knowing what he's feeling.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: He's also an incredible master motivator.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: But my biggest takeaway from Coach Reid was how to
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: approach the AF season you know, I hadn't necessarily done
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: that right until that point. And when I got there
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: my first year, I mean, they that training camp there,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, just like Alcatraz. Like it's like it's
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: like it's intense, you know, it's is why why they're
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: they're it's part of their mantra persona that allows them
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: to go in September Rowland. But I was not ready
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: for that first training camp. And I remember after my
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: first season there, he sat down with me and told
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: me that he felt like I hadn't had a real
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: offseason NFL, and I told him I hadn't, So you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I really learned about how important the off season truly
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: is and the type of work that you gotta be
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: doing to be able to to withstand and be ready
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: come September.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Zach Taylor, he is Zach is my favorite head coach.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I'm a going record and say he's the best head
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: coach I've had, although I know that accolades and those
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: things haven't necessarily come up to where those other coaches
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: are just yet. But Coach Taylor is very unique in
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: a way that he allows guys to truly be themselves
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: and he really understands how to lead the locker room.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: His messages are always so on point, man, Like, I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: can't tell you how many times he's coming there on
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: a Monday or Friday or Saturday night and just knowing
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: what to say. And you know, I hate that our
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: record doesn't necessarily reflect that, but in terms of who
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: he is as a man, how he operates, it's very special.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: You know, He's He's allowed me to go out there
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: and be able to, you know, want to play for
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: him and and you know, not only want to play
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: for him, just play at a high level.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: So I got a ton of respect for coach Taylor.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Where is the craziest athletic feat that you have ever
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: witnessed from a teammate, whether it's in a workout, at
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: practice or in a game.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Man, I've you know, I've played with some freaks, Like
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I've played with some athletic freaks.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I've played with like Joe Mix, Tyreek Hill, Lamar Jamar
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: t I mean, there's so.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Many pad I mean for it, like I've I've seen
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: some stuff.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I remember Tyreek Hill my freshman year of college, we
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: played Oklahoma State. He actually won the game on a
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: punt return and I've never seen somebody move so fast.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Another time, the second craziest thing I've seen in the
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: NFL was Tyreek.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Hill called a like an over route.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: We were playing the Buffalo Bills, I believe in the playoffs,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: and he caught an over route and I mean, this
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: man split about four or five guys that had real angles.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've that's insane to me. And you know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I hate to bring it up with that run here
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: with Lamar in twenty nineteen. That was like, that was incredible.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I remember blocking Sam Hubbard and turning around and watching.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, that was incredible.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, As Kevin Harlan said at the time, he's who
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: DN and it was so every year offensive linemen around
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the NFL catch some passes. Cody Ford had a twenty
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: one yard catch last year. Have you ever had a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: play designed for you to catch the ball?
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: No?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Man, No, it's really not my style for a few reasons.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I actually have bad eyesight. People don't notice. So I
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: have bad eyesight. I'm not blind, but I can't be
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: driving without my eyeglasses on. So I think tracking the
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: football might be a little bit hard for me. But
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: hand to hand combat works just fine. So if they
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: were to design something for me, coach Pitcher, coach Taylor
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: fullback dive of some William Perry refrigerator esque eighty five
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Bears goal line, let me that's.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: More like a goal line fall back.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: It's perfect.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Give it to seventy five.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: We are off the field and on the spot with
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Orlando Brown Junior. You won a Super Bowl in Kansas
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: City February of twenty twenty three. What do you remember
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: about the parade?
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I mean that's the best part.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I think just being able to share that moment with
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: your teammates, the building, you know, the coaches, their families,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: their wives, their kids. And then you add in the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: city aspect of just the real fandom, you know, the
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: idea of the people that have you know, been in
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: this city and been fans that have Bengaled since nineteen
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: sixty eight. You know, there's probably more of them than
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: we could imagine, and so to be able to experience
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: something like that that was incredible.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I will tell you.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I think the most memorable few memorable things is I
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: remember Chris Jones walking with the trophy in the middle
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: of the street.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, it had to be a million people there,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: which was incredible.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: And I remember Coach Read giving his speech after we won,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: and there were so many people, and you could look
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: into the city and there was people sitting on the
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: top of like high rise buildings just like that.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: That was really special.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome here.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Oh man. I was gonna be like Argentina when they
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: want to work up. It's gonna be insane.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: In that Super Bowl win, you held a Philadelphia team
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that had seventy sacks during the season to zero in
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that Super Bowl. After the game, the Eagles players said,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: this isn't why we lost, but the field was sloppy.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: You couldn't get your footing. Was there any truth to that?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: From your perspective?
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Heavy?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you gotta do your job,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's it's circumstances. That's why
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: they make cleats, they make seven studs.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the footing. The field had no problem
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I think I almost slipped once so and that's almost.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: But I had no issue on that field.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So all right, A few home life questions for you.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Do you watch a lot of TV and or movies?
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And no?
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: It just depends on the time of year, Like right now,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I've got more time, so yeah, yeah, I definitely do
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: during training, can't believe it or not too when I'm
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: coming home to reset a little bit. I don't have
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: as much time at home as I normally would end
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: season or off season, so I'll watch like a TV
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: show or been something during that time, just in my
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: free time. But that's probably that's probably it. I watch
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of football, Like I've watched I've watched the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: eighty nine season of the Bengals, I've watched I've gone
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: back and watched that eighty one season.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: The whole season, or like the summarye old season.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I've gone back and watched it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Like I love watching the twenty fourteen Seahawks, and I've
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: gone back and I've watched I watched our seasons, like
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I've I've seen all of our seasons. I watch a
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: lot of Like just last night I was watching the
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Chargers versus the Coats and O seven, Like, and.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: What's it on an NFL network or did you seek
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: it out somewhere?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: No, YouTube, I'll yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll seek it out
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: on YouTube. But I watch a lot of football like,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I just I love the game of football and the
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: uniqueness about it. But you know, it kind of goes
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: back to what I was talking about with Pheel, right,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: like I'm always studying stuff. And so Marcus McNeil was
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: in Dwight Freenie actually didn't end up finishing that game,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: but you know, Marcus, I was just studying the field
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: of that, like he who was.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: The Chargers left tackle.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I was just I was really studying, like, you know,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: how does how does his movements?
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: How do you handle this? Or you know what he
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: do after a negative play?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm looking for the small things in the game
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: like communication and you know, did the crowd have an
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: effect on the rusher?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Was a rusher looking at something? You know, I'm looking.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I was just I enjoyed that, like I really enjoy
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: watching football for what it is.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: So you've watched the Freezer Ball?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I've watched that. Absolutely. There
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: was what Ken Anderson said. I mean he said it
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: literally changed his DNA or genetics or something, right like
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that's how he spoke on that.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I did watch that game.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, guys that played in that game say it changed
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: their internal thermosess.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, I've watched that game before. Yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: What are your worst habits?
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Worst habits?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Gosh, man, I'm like, I'm blaming Cody Forward for this,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: but I've been a zoning There are these like basically
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: it's in the nicotine pouch.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, I got into that probably. Yeah,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I'm blaming Cody.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I started that before him, but he put me on
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: a new brand of him and I really like him.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: So that's probably probably my worst habit. I will tell you.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: When your career is over, where will you live right here?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I'll be right here in Cincinnati? Man? Yeah, you love it?
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I love it here. Yeah, I love it here. This
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: is my forever home for sure.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Why.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I think it just makes the most sense in terms
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: of who I am. Uh, you know, I've got a
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: really comfortable set up here. I enjoyed the convenience of
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the location of Cincinnati. We're so close to so many
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: big cities.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, my kids love it here too.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: So you watch all of these old games, M study
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the all time grades. When you watch Anthony million others, y,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: what stands out?
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: A lot of different things, man, I think you know
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: when when you watch him and the little things about
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: him that uh to me stand out. CU constantly seems
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: like he was very much involved and had great relationships
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: with everybody on the team, right Like he seemed like
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: just like such a true leader where uh you see
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: a running back, uh make a big play and I'm
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I'm forgetting names right now, but you'll see a running
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: back make a big play and it might be over
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: t over the right side, and on the way back
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: to the huddle, they make sure they come give Anthony
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: a high five or or low five, or you know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you see plays where you know the defense makes a
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: mistake and he's still running on the field high five
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: in them and transition you know, uh w whatever it is,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, I feel like a
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: lot of things like that kind of might might get
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: overlooked in terms we know as a player, how amazing
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: he was. I mean, he was to me, like the
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: first to really do it at a high level that
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: size and past protect that many times like that wasn't
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: it just wasn't really heard of at that time. And
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: so you know, he he created a new niche you
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: could say for guys like myself.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: And Mems and you.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Know, guys like Lane Johnson come to mind. You know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the bigger, taller, longer athletic guy.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Who's your closest friend on another NFL.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Team, Mark Andrews for sure in Baltimore. Yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we spent a lot of time together, man, And
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: we actually just were together in Cabo, which was so
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: much fun. But yeah, that's probably probably my my closest friend.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Ben Powers in Denver. That's my guy as well. Went
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: to college together. Baker in Tampa, Kyler Minnesota. I will
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: tell you tell you those men are probably who I'm
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: closest to.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: You've traveled a lot, right, you always go to the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: same type of thing.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I've traveled within the US. That was my first time
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: leaving the country. This is my first time leaving the country.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I got my passport just for that. How you get
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: a branch out from there?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I am, I am.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to check out a few different places, man,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: But I really want to get to Europe, like I
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: want to.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I want to see what it's like. So Japan too.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been to Japan. It's awesome. Yeah. Well, you
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: might get your chance to go with the Bengals to
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: either Spain or London. This year.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, just wherever we can go and sleep in
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: a nice bed and play some good football.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Because do you have to have a special mattress.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny, I actually do have a special mattress.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: It's the first mattress I've ever had on my feet
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: don't hang off the bill, And I probably I spent
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: my whole first what twenty seven years on my feet
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: hanging off the bed. And so when I signed here,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: one of the first things I did, because my massroom
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: is pretty big, I bought a cussom bed, so I
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: had one made and it's eleven feet wide and thirteen
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: feet long. So yeah, it's the first time my feet
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: have not hung off the bed when I slip.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Sleeping, though, is such an habitual thing when you've slept
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: for years with your feet dangling off the edge. Once
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: you got that gigantic mattress, was it a little bit
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: difficult to sleep with your feet on the bed?
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was different. It was different. It
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: was different to kind of like feel that, like, I'm like, wow, okay,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: this is caught myself laying on my back more often
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: than on my stomach.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: That's good for you.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so but yeah, yeah, no, man, I
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: think yeah, that was a great question.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I figured if I ask enough, sooner
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: or later, there's gonna be a great question in there somewhere.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: We have been off the field and on the spot
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a new segment that we have debuted with Orlando Brown Junior.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: This has been a lot of fun for me. I
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed it. Thank you so much for.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: The time, Oh I had bless appreciates you.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Up next, we'll talk to Jeff Hobson about this week's
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: NFL League meetings. But first, here's a quick reminder that
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• 31:38
  Speaker 1: for my conversation with Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hobson.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: What you travel to Phoenix for the annual league meeting.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: All of the.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: NFL's power brokers were there and One of the people
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that you spoke with was scheduling guru Mike North. Based
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: on what you wrote, I feel pretty confident in thinking
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the Bengals will not have to play a primetime game
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: in Baltimore for the fifth consecutive year. Is that the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: vibe you got from Mike?
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's certainly the vibe I got from Mike.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: That's the good news. The bad news is I kind
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: of got that vibe last year too, so but I think, uh,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: uh no, this one was pretty adam it. You know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: you talk about power brokers, there was one power broker
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: who wasn't there, Joseph Lee Burrow, and uh, you know,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I think, uh, you know, I wrote a story earlier
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: in the week talking to Larry Fitzgerald about flag football
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: and how he has uh Roger has got Burrow's ear.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: I guess where they They had a pretty good conversation
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: during that week out in l A about flag football.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: And you know, you remember when.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Uh, the schedule came out last year and Joe and
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I think he'd been traveling in Europe and he came
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: back and you know, he said he was disappointed they
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: didn't get a that we didn't get a an international game,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: and I thought it was interesting that Mike said that. Well,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: you know, we heard him. So let's see how much
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: juice Joe really has. I think he's got a lot
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: of juice. So I think he's got enough juice to
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: fuel lejit to London.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: So the two possibilities are Washington in London or Atlanta
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: in Madrid. You think one of those two things is
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: going to happen.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of read to Washington because you know
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: they're in the matchups and that's going to be uh
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Burrovers Jaydon Daniels.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: And you know, they had a shootout.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: They had a prime time shootout at pay Corps a
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: couple of years ago, both LSU quarterbacks, both really you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: exciting players. So I think I bet, uh, you know
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: that I would kind of that's the one I would
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: lead to just because of a matchup.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And that would be at the Tottenham Stadium, not at
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Wembley Stadium. When they rebuilt the Tottenham Stadium, it was specifically,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: or at least part of it was specifically for future
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: NFL games. In mind, it's NFL friendly, So for Bengals
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: fans who have been to London and are thinking well,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: do I really want to go again? It would be
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: at least a different stadium experience to see when a Tottenham,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: and that's.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Something that might I think we're play under their advantage.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: For instance, in the matchup with you know, Washington, I
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: you know, some of the options. I think Houston is
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: a team that hasn't been to London since it hasn't
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: been overseas since twenty nineteen. The Bengals haven't been since
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, so I think that plays into their favor
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: because they haven't been there in so long.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Getting back to the Baltimore primetime thing, I wonder if
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the opposite is going to happen. If the Bengals are
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: going to get a primetime home game against Baltimore, almost
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't make good after having to go there four straight times.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: What do you think that's a good idea?
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: But you know, it's going to be a division game.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: I think they really, you know, they you know, you
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: know the I mean, that's kind of what they've holding
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: those Thursday night games for. I think I think it's
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: kind of a nod to the coaches. You know, it's
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: a short week, everybody knows each other, you know, So yeah,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: I think that's that sounds good to be Fordy. I'm
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: trying to think. I'm trying to think. The last time
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: I think Baltimore was in here in a primetime game
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: might have been the Aja Green Game when he scored
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: three touchdowns in the first seventeen minutes, and I think
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: he had just think he had just witnessed the delivery
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: of his first born.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: I think, and so that's a long time ago it is.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: You know, that's twenty eighteen.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: With Joe Flacco playing quarterback for Baltimore in that game.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: So Zach Taylor was available at the AFC Coaches Breakfast
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: in Phoenix. He was asked a wide variety of questions
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: about the Bengals, including what's been going on at the
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: linebacker position, specifically the fact that they have not added
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: a free agent, at least not yet. Did you get
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the impression that they tried and just didn't reach any
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: deals with the guys that they were interested in, or
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: did you get the feeling that they didn't really love
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the available crop at that position this year?
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: You know, I think there's a little bit of both there.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: I think, uh, you know, they're I think they're they're
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: underlying belief in this thing is that the young players
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: have to ascend and that they're the ones that are
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: going to get this thing over the over the top,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: no matter who you are, sorrying. I mean, obviously a
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: mixture of both would get you over the top. But
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: I think they feel like the first step is Knight
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: and Coda have to have to have to have to have.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: To play well, you know.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: And I think they feel like, you know, they when
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: they prior prioritize this thing, it was it was edges,
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: it was tackles.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Uh it was it was like, you know, it was linebackers.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: And I think, you know, the best the best players match,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: the best steels were the three Alan, Alan, Maffey and
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: uh Cook. And you know, I think, you know, they
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: spend a lot of money on those guys, and I
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: think the thinking is that, you know, I don't you know,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: I still think they've got a lot of confidence in
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: the kids. They still want a veteran linebacker. But I
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: also think they think that this is a what we're
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: coming into the next phase the draft, uh uh OTAs
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: I think they're thinking, you know, people make moves after
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: the draft, and I think they're you know, and.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: I think they're thinking that, you know, they.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: They could be a pretty you know, they could be
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: a good you know they you know, they don't need
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: a superstar linebacker. I think they feel like they eat
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: a solid veteran guy, and I think they feel like that,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: you know, there's there's time to get one, and they
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: didn't jump on one earlier because I think they felt
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: like the guys that were better were you know, we're
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: you know, we're Alan Mafey and Cook and Ed Flacco.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: I mean Flacco was also in the in the in
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: the equation too, which I you know, I count that
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: as a big win for them because everybody wanted them back.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Reagency obviously isn't finished. They just added two guys to
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the secondary yesterday. We'll get to those guys in a second.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: There's still some linebackers out there. Bobby Wagner ten time
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowler, but he turns thirty six in June. Matt
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Mulano's out there. He's had injury issues over the last
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: three years. Bobby o'cara kay from the Giants was a
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: salary cap casualty. Whether it's one of those three guys
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: or somebody else, do you think eventually they will add
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: a vet to the room.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I do in some form. I mean, I
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: don't know, And like I said, it might not be
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: right now. It might be, it might be trading camp,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: could be a waiver wire pickup. I mean, I think
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: it's going to happen, but I you know, I think
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: they're kind of looking at the draft now. I think
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: they're kind of keyed into that and h But I
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: you know, but I don't think they'll draft the linebacker either.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, I I you know, I mean, I think
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: obviously at ten, anything is possible because you're just at
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: that point you're taking the best player. But you know,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: like if Sunny Styles was there, I don't think they're
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: going to say, well, we got two young grindbackers.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: We're not going to take Sunny Styles. So that's not
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: going to happen.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: But Sunny Styles being there isn't going to happen either.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: So it might not out of the question depends on
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the Giants do it five?
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's I mean, I keep getting the
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: save names when I talk to these guys who are
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: covering the teams that are ahead of us. But you're right,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, there's always in those first nine.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: There's always it's kind of a what you know, uh piece,
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: I thought he was going to go twelve or something
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: or nineteen, you know, so you know, maybe maybe a
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Ruben Baine or maybe a Ruben Bain or.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: Styles is there.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: But I don't think, you know, I don't think they're
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: gonna go into the second round looking for a linebacker,
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: you know, Like I said, I think they think and
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: I and I think they look at the last eight
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: games of the year and they see how Knight and
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: tired of played and alarm with the rest of the defense.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, they were pretty you know, I mean, they
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: played winning football for the most pat So, you know,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: I think they're hanging their hat a lot on that.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: But I do know they think they still have you know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: that there's still work to be done.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: So on Thursday, they signed safety Kyle Dugger. He's thirty
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: years old. He looked like an up and coming star
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: a few years ago. He got a huge second contract
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: from the Patriots, and then when you talk to him
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: after he signed with the Bengals, he said, the last
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: couple of years have been rough. What did he indicate
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: to you The problem was, well, he played hurt.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: In twenty four.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: He hurt his ankle earlier in the year, in twenty
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: twenty four in reports that came out at for that
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: yet now we missed three games and then he played
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: the rest of the year on it, and then it
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: was they said it was misdiagnosed and he ended up
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: having to have tightrope surgery, which is I'm not sure
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: what that is. I I don't even play a doctor
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: on TV, Hordy, but that's a pretty major surgery on
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: the ankle. And so he was, you know, he didn't
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: get many reps until trading camp. The new defense came
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: in with Rabel, and I'm not sure that was a fit.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: You know, he played, He played a lot of the
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: box for Belichick and Mayo, and Rabel kind of went
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: the more of his own. They traded him, but they're
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: getting rid of all of Mayo's and Belichick's players anyway.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: But so I to me, he's in the Classic, and
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: you know, he says in the ankle feels great. Now
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: he's gonna have a full off season with it. You know,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: I thought he looked pretty good against US. You know,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: he went seventy four yards seventy three ads and fairly
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: fairly good fat. But to me, I'm thinking Douger. You know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: that's a good, solid veteran pickup. I mean, here's a guy,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: you know, looking to revive his career, the guy who's
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: the thirty seventh pick in the draft. You know the
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: year Borrow came out in twenty twenty, so you know,
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: they they said, look that, you know, Uh, he's a
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: guy who's gonna push, battle and cook. But he's a
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: solid veteran who's been around you know, Tarble and Belichick.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: You know, he's a good He struck me as a
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: guy who's serious about his business. He says, he brings
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: leadership to the thing, and that's what they're.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: Looking for, you know.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, what's the dougur equivalent linebacker, because I
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: think that'd be a that's the kind of guy.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: I think they're kind of looking for a dogish type
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: of guy.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: And I I, you know, I think it's a uh,
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: you know, how many of these guys have we seen
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: forty This league is all about coaches and schemes, and
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: you get a guy who is maybe you know, he's
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: been hurt, maybe he hasn't been used the right way.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: He shows up here and you know suddenly he's a
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: you know, he there's a different player. I mean, you know,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: they're not looking for this guy to be Ed Reid.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: But he's a solid you know, the guy's got eleven
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: career interceptions. I mean, he you know, he knows how
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: to go get the ball. He's good against them. I mean,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: he's a physical player. He said he hasn't been. He
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: said he hasn't. They knows he's a better tackle than
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: he's been in the last couple of years. But you know,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know who to believe Pro Football Reference or PFF.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Pro Football Reference says the guys, you know, he missed
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: three tackles last year, and like he played over seven
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: hundred snaps, So you know, that's pretty good. And you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: let's face it, that's what they need. So I you know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: I thought it was kind of a hit him, kind
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: of hit him where they needed it. And if there's
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: a guy, if there's an equivalent like that, a linebacker,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: I think they came out of it pretty well.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: They did not have depth at safety, so this obviously
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: helps that. But I also wonder if they will wind
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: up playing three safety packages more with the league's trend
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: to two and three tight ends. With a success the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Rams had with that last year, more teams are undoubtedly
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: going to try it. And I wonder if part of
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: this signing was to be better prepared to defend that.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: I think they're trying to get players and then then
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: and then they and then they're going to uh then
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: and then they're going to get the players, and they're
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: gonna adjust to what they can do.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: But I think I think that's a good point.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I also think that, uh, you know, if the team
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: starts running around you, well, here's a guy that can
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: you know, I mean, he's for the Patriots.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: They were saying he was almost like a linebacker, you know.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: So I think where he ran into problem problems in Pittsburgh,
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: I guess because remember, you know, he started the last
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: nine games for his Steelers and they're in the playoff runs,
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: you know. And now he didn't stat the wild Guide,
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: but I mean he did, he still played half the snaps.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: But I mean, I think he's probably not a guy
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: you want in space. But that's you know, I mean,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: I mean that's okay. I mean he's still I mean,
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: he's still athletic enough. He can still make plays like
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: he did like he did against the Bengals. So yeah,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's a I mean, I think
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: it all and and the three safety thing probably kind
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: of you know, it's also predicated on who they get
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: in the slot. Who's going to be there Nickel, which
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: is probably the next thing you're going to talk about.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: And I think that's to me, that's that's a pretty
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: important position that's not defined yet.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So they also signed Jaseer Taylor, a potential addition
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: as a slot corner. Right now, do you think that
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that's depth behind Jalen Davis. Now this could all change
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: if they draft somebody to play that position, but depth
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: behind Jalen Davis or a potential starter over Jalen Davis,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: depending on camp.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: I think it's a carpetition.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I think they're going at it, you know, I think
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: they're probably going at it to I think I think
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: you Sious coveted here to win a job and Jayalen
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: just just won a job for the first time, you know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: battling you know, the classic underdog story. So he's not
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: going to give that up easy. Jasius coveted here on
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: a one year you know, we think he can make
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: the club. Yeah, I mean, he thinks he could be
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: the starter. So that's that's gonna be quite a battle.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: That will be a that will be a storyline, certainly.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: But I mean I think there's still more. I think
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: there's still more dominoes to fall there too. At at Nickel,
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: you know, because that's they don't have a lot, you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: although they've been around a while, you know, JD is
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: the last link to the Super Bowl secondary. You know,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: he still doesn't have a lot of snaps. So I think,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: you know, they probably like to get a little bit
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: more experience there. But I think, uh, you know, and
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Taylor and David should got two guys that have been around.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: I think they you know, I think a lot too
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: hinges under draft, I think, you know, I don't.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: I think no matter where they get it, I think
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: they're going to get a corner. They very well could
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: get a corner right out.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Of the gate, No doubt that could.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it could be the tenth pick.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think they probably sure seems like a
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: draft body that I don't know, you know, they'd like
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: to trade out.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: But you know, I'm I'm I'm having this trouble trying
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: to do a.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to swing a deal on the Bengals dot
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Com Media Mark, and nobody's fighting at number ten. So
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: you know that's the problem that these guys said, Yeah, sure,
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: they're perfect.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: You know, Okay, if if.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Bailey's not there, and and and Bain's not there, and
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: Downs isn't there, and Styles isn't.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: There, you know, you know that, and you like to
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: get out.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: You'd like to trade out and baby, get down to
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: fifteen and pick up a rusher and then get an
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: extra pick, you know, in the top hundred. You know, yeah,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: I mean that would be you know, that's that looks
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: great our paper, but try to pull it off. You know,
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: that's something that wouldn't probably happen until the draft anyway.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: But I mean, if you just sat there and took
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: you know, the best player, which would probably be a corner,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: then then what do you do? And then and Zack
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: and Zach was asked this too, would you switch Dac
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Sill back to Nickel? And they've had Dax all over
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: the place, and I think he's one of the more
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: underrated guys in the league because he's done everything that
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: they've asked, every position, and it looks like a pretty
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: good outside corner though it looks like that's his best position.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: But he's also a good nickel too.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: So if they drafted one of those top corners, would
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: they put Daxon there in the slaughter or would they
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: put the would they put the rookie of the slaughter
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: or you know that that would be of course, all
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: that's to play out.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Back to safety for a moment. Brian Cook got a
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: three year deal, it's only a one year deal for
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Doug Er. Jordan Battle's going into the final year of
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: his rookie contract. If Caleb Downs is there, would the
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: tenth pick? Would these additions that safety have any impact
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: whatsoever on potentially taking him?
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: I don't think so. I don't think so, because I
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: would have to believe that their board is a lot
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: like But we don't know. I mean, I don't know.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know really how they think about Downs. I
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: think they like Downs, you know, everybody seems to like Downs, right,
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: But if you get him, you're gonna I have to
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: completely you know, you're gonna have to alter your defense
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: a lot, you know, because you have to fit him
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: what he does. I mean, he's five to ten, you know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: he's a really good nickel player. They say he's a
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: good nickel player. That's where you go with your maybe
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: three safeties. So yeah, I don't think this. I don't
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: think the the free agent signings would preclude them taken downs.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: But I don't know.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: But again, I don't know. How do these guys really
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: feel about these guys? I hate to say it.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: You'll know about nine o'clock.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: They are hiding those cards well as they always do.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: They always do. Yeah, yeah, remember remember Duke Tobin. Duke
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Tobin is the son of a man who once had
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: a once, uh told me he had. They had a
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: guard dog around it round the draft board in Green Bay.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: So when Bill was around, I didn't really go too much.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: I didn't venture too much to the other draft board.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: You know, it's finny. When Bill was still working for
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: the Bengals, I asked him once about the quarterback class
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: that particular year, and the Bengals weren't even in the
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: market for a quarterback at the time. And this was
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: like months before the draft, more or less making small talk. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think of the quarterbacks in this year's draft?
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: You would have thought that I asked for his bank
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: account and Social Security number. I mean, he looked at
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: me like, I can't believe you just asked me that question.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Then I realized, all right, this guy does not share
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: that info with anybody outside of the circle of people
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  Speaker 1: that he is working with to try to get the
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: best players possible.
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  Speaker 4: It's why he was one of the greats that was.
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  Speaker 4: I remember the great scout, Frank Schmousse. I was in
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: working on a job for two weeks and I said, hey, Frank,
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  Speaker 4: what do you think of that guy? That quarterback? And
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: he goes Paul Brown pays me for my information.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: All right, I've got a final question. And it gets
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: back to being at the league meeting. You're roaming around
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  Speaker 1: the Arizona builtmore, You're seeing your buddies from around the league.
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  Speaker 1: You probably enjoyed a light bear for Milla with some
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  Speaker 1: of those guys at some point. What are the other
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: scribes from around the NFL asking you about the Bengals
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  Speaker 1: these days? What do they want to know about this team?
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  Speaker 4: They want to know what I was thinking when I
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: was watching Burrow playing flag football.
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  Speaker 5: I said, I nothing surprised me. I knew the guy
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  Speaker 5: was going to try and win it. Ye, as hard
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  Speaker 5: as he could.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they're also uh you know, they're wondering about
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  Speaker 4: the defense, you know, uh, you know, and I think
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  Speaker 4: they you know, they they wandered over the Zach's table,
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  Speaker 4: and I think they're pretty impressed. I think the league,
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  Speaker 4: I think the the writers are pretty impressed with Zach.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he's a guy.
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  Speaker 4: He's out of the out of them, out of the mcveage,
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  Speaker 4: old and pretty calm guy, you know, no brama, and uh,
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  Speaker 4: I think you know, uh, I think what the scribes
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  Speaker 4: are talking about too is just how the the how
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  Speaker 4: the coaches just churned.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I was talking to the poor guy, our man, Rich
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  Speaker 4: Sunnini from the Jets, and uh, you know that was a.
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  Speaker 5: That was that was drama too. Rich Rich asked the
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: question of.
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  Speaker 4: Glenn and uh, it was a simple He's going to
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: carry us to the promise Land answer. And the Jets
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: brass panic and oh my god, how can you say that?
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: And it's uh, you know, how could you know it was?
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  Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of drama these other cities
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  Speaker 4: hoarding that we don't get in Cincinnati, which is I
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: think good.
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  Speaker 5: I did.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, it's a and you get that sense when you
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: talk to the where you talk to the other guys,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: you know, and it's uh, they always know when they
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: can get to the Bengals table.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: There's a little bit of consistency over there because.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Since uh, in the last twenty three years, only two
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: guys have sat at it, Marvin and Zach Taylor. And uh,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: you know, you walk into these things and sometimes you
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: forget who's where. Oh, that's right, mentors in Baltimore. Oh
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, oh it's Herbs. I can talk to he's
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: with the Giants. I can talk to him about Flacco,
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: you know. I mean, it's it's and then you see
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  Speaker 4: guys who were then you realize you're seeing guys who
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: were probably you know. You know, it's funny that is
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: nobody as young as Zach was when he was in
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: his first year.
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  Speaker 5: But these are guys that.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: Are coming out, you know, they're coming out in their
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: late thirties and early forties, and they're asked to do
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  Speaker 4: a very tough job.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: And it's I tell you hard to keep track of them,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's eight, nine, ten changes a year,
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: and you know, people are al and I know how
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: the fans are and it's just uh, let me tell you,
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: grass isn't always greater.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: Zach Taylor scores points.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: No doubt, no doubt. But I appreciate your time. I
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: know you got a little cold flying back and forth
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  Speaker 1: from Arizona. I hope that clears up in the next
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: day or two and look forward to seeing you soon.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks very much.
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