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Ouija Board - Spiritual Deception · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Stephen and Kyle and it's Monday, Hullock Alt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: negative aspects of the weedy board, you know, demons, murder, all that stuff, you know, how it is all the typical stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all the typical weedy board stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Back with some more weegee board weirdness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little more on the ferious side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just wanna warn you all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some murders that take place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the ferious can be subjective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like murder's pretty nefarious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's like there's a lot of difficulties in murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had a, oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I have some twists and turns, but it's bringing various.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you haven't listened episode one, please go back to last week and listen to that where we just kind of touch on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: some of the history of the Ouija board and like kind of where the whole concept came from and how it started and how like grief played into this whole scenario and how it just kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It almost helped people connect and in deal with that grief of losing their loved ones in a time where there wasn't the internet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm recalling the episode now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that has some positive to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and that was a time when the Ouija board didn't have the, well, the spirit communication as a whole didn't have all of
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd stated in the, in the episode that a family in their friends would get together on the weekends and they would hold sayances.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They would hold like spirit board writing, you know, parties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We do board parties like it wasn't, it wasn't this whole taboo thing back then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's weird too because I feel like it should be the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you think we'd be more open now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and not as taboo, now where I feel like I feel like it's still relatively taboo today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, me too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so weird.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, where did they came in hot?
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, yeah, let's talk to shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: do our thing in the now even today people are still like nope don't fuck with them don't yeah interesting and I guess for the most part like the Catholic church was kind of not kind of probably mostly against it kind of mostly against it but there was so I've got this split in the two sections here I've got like the paranormal in the like the occult side
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[SPEAKER_00]: of some Ouija board stuff here and then I got like the crime and murder side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really sure which one to do first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I need to do the paranormal and a cold side first because.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's appropriate in order to get.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like to that taboonus of the Ouija board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we have to go this route first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're just going to do that quick question and I'm going to go ahead and derail the whole thing perfect 10 minutes in I was doing some thinking about this which is what we want you all to do catholicism and religion kind of have a hand in making the wage board taboo.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was talking with somebody, a camera, which one it was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I apologize for that, but they basically made the, you know, the point, which we've talked about and many people have pointed out communication is communication.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I do agree with that, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Would you agree with that sentiment, like despite the form of communication, communication is communication, yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that being said, an oddity that I find in the from the religious aspect
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[SPEAKER_03]: Especially in Catholicism, if I remember correctly, the upper echelons of the church are the other ones quote them quote aloud to communicate with God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in religion itself, you're communicating with a God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Therefore, communication is communication.
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[SPEAKER_03]: See what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did take a cataclysm classes before I got married, so I was minimally versed in the Catholic church and that did stand out like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: strange to me how there is like a hierarchy in who is like worthy sir to God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, so so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, and it almost, I don't know, it almost makes it like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: like who if if you have to be so far up these tears to to to be in higher communication with God like what's what's who who are you praying to you know if if I'm down here being a a peon just does my shit not count as much as you know like a bishop or some shit anyway I get it communication communication
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but first off, first off, we need to kind of jump back here and as we were talking about like specifically the Catholic Church kind of sees a
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[SPEAKER_00]: the dead or spirits as kind of a of the almost dangerous practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they really look looked down on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I found this interview on Fox News digital where Father Dan Rihill is talking and he said quote, we too often forget that there's much more to this world than meets the eye.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Angels, demons, spirits, and souls do exist and they can and do impact our lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Attempting a cult practices such as purportedly trying to contact the dead via a Ouija board are a way to open oneself up to demonic activity inadvertently says Reheal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quote, Demons lie in impersonate dead people, said Reheal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When asking a board for information about a deceased person or a life decision, they are all too happy to embed themselves into our lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Using a Ouija board is inviting a demon into your life,
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel about that guy?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean, I agree and disagree all at once.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause obviously it does open the door for manipulation because from our knowledge, and I would say gym pop knowledge, there is no verifiable way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: to determine who you're speaking with, exactly, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're just, there isn't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: However, it does seem like you could argue with this statement based upon, I know a little bit about your next episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so what that being said, what he states here isn't necessarily true, right, because of what gets contacted outside of this depending on how you look at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If those are all kind of the same thing, true, which, like, kind of sucks if they are, but it's been kind of spun that way, sometimes it gets a little weird.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's strange.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't, I don't like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I like caution, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's, it's the same type of situation we would approach with our children.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're like, no, don't talk to that stranger over there, because he's probably
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's going to give you a crack candy, but you know, that's not, that's not a verifiable truth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That might not be a crack candy dealer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It might be a pretty alright guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He said no for there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I may have good candy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It might have good candy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's still not recommended to take candy from strangers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: However,
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not a verifiable truth, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we as humans will do that though.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll lean to the side of caution and just be like, you know, like, cause maybe in maybe that person making that statement knows that too, knows that as a factual statement as they're not all inherently bad that we're speaking with, however,
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's still at least 50% chance that it is a demon that can possess you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Therefore, it's better to lean toward caution and not do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like they're, they're, they then you have to ask like, what if it has nothing to do with the, the caution side of it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if this, this tool essentially opens us up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: to a higher consciousness, open this up to actually being able to contact these beings and institutions like the government or like the church don't want Johnny Q. public out being able to have that kind of power to be able to tap into that kind of knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been suppressed for eons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a great point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I do think that is definitely in the realm of what is happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I think and what sucks about that is I don't I also don't feel like you can make a general statement and be like it's definitely this yeah it's definitely that I think all of it is in combination there and it all runs hand in hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another question I was going to ask you last episode, but I forgot to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The communication.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do you feel it connects to the board itself?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the entities are communicating through the board or do, because like, a big debunking of all this is the idiom motor phenomenon, which is a psychological phenomenon wherein a subject makes motions unconsciously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like in our brains, we're moving the board and that's another thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that's possible, which brings me to this question, do you think they're contacting us through the board or are they using us as a conduit and the board is just like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the board is like the pencil right the board has nothing to do with the rudimentary tool exactly I do like when you're framing that is exactly what I thought I think I think you are invite because it's not like the way my brain operates here in the scenario is Like whenever you watch ghost hunters or whatever and batteries get sucked dry
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[SPEAKER_03]: for them to manifest themselves or the, you know, the energy of your self gets drained, you start feeling nauseous because they use your energy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I 100% think that's what's happening, which is another reason why people would wane, you know, away from it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And be like, now, it's probably a good idea because we don't know exactly what we're agreeing to when we allow these
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[SPEAKER_03]: manipulators.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do, I 100% think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that every single board is in the channel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it's a magical ability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just a tool, like a pencil is like we, 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we go in, I feel like when we go into using the board,
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[SPEAKER_00]: us ourselves are the conduit and the board is just the tool to record what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are cases that I found in tomorrow or in next week's episode where entities say that they are communicating telepathically with the board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: so they're contacting people through the board as opposed to contacting people through their consciousness and passing the message to the board to where they can they can like write interesting figure out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to that later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do think I do think there is the the the the motor phenomenon you're talking about as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a hundred percent real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to talk about that for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to Wikipedia, the scientific community considers the Ouija board phenomenon to be a result of video motor phenomenon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Ferday, first described this effect in 1853 while investigating table turning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Various studies have been conducted, recreating the effects of a wage board in the lab, showing that under laboratory conditions, the subjects were moving the planchette in voluntarily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's not saying that they weren't being contacted through something moving the board that they were just doing it, uh, like not at their own will.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like, I feel like that's a rig test though, because you can definitely load that test.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like in a way that makes that person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because it, and I know it's like it sounds hard to do this, but it's not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you could ask, like, you know, Steve, like, say, say you passed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know your favorite snack is a microwave burrito.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I ask, I'm trying to contact Steve.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, shit, I got Steve on the board.
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[SPEAKER_03]: watch this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to ask him what his favorite favorite snack, you know, his favorite snack is your brain is already looking for that answer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And stuff, I think in situations like that subconsciously, you're going to aid in that manipulation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I almost feel like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like technically all weegee board contact can be labeled as the idiom motor phenomenon because if we're being contacted and being used as a conduit we're not consciously moving the plan check.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing it or not like if we're being used as a vessel for something to communicate through us that technically is an idiom motor that's a good point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do that solid that solid right there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like that that's good because you're not you're not wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it's a cop out like trying to kind of brush and we do that too in the scientific community where you they'll get that one desired result.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One fucking time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they go, yep, this is what it is total.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 2012 study found that when answering yes or no questions, we use was significantly more accurate than guesswork suggesting that it might draw on an unconscious
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's, that's weird, that's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have, if you ask 10 people a question and they use a Ouija board, they're gonna get, yes or no questions, more right than 10 people without a Ouija board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How off?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fucking weird is that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's definitely weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went off on a tangent there that had nothing to do with what I was talking about in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think you guys are going to like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about demons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Demons through the Ouija board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which we got to go into the A number one demonic possession case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: ever, which is the exorcism possession of a boy by the name of Ronald Doe, which is a pseudonym, so it's not his real name, but it's the one that inspired the exorcist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, one of the most famous cases of Ouija board possession is that of Roland Doe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A young boy from St.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Louis, Missouri, which he isn't actually from St.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Louis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was from the East Coast, moved to St.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Louis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't go into a lot of detail here because I feel like we're just like this as a whole episode in itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1949, he began experiencing unexplained disturbances after using a Ouija board with his own, who was a spiritualist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She kind of got him into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were doing weedy stuff, contact and ghosts, having a good time while when she died, everything kind of went itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Soon after Strange Noise has filled his home, objects moved on their own, scratches appeared on his body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His behavior just did a 180, he became violent, he spoke in gutteral tones, just classic, classic what we think is a possession.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that is said to have all stemmed from the use of this weegee board in his aunt Jesuit priests were called to perform a series of exorcisms during which witnesses reported objects levitating unearthly screams demonic voices.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so again, became the inspiration of four William Blatties, the exorcist, one of the most terrifying horror films of all time, weeks after the spiritual battles, the boy finally was freed from the possession, the actual exorcism did take place in one of the hospitals here in St.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Louis, I can't remember which one it was, but rumors, they have that whole wing like blocked off and all this other shit, um, that's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the exorcist is kind of the tipping point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in where the Ouija board's catching a bad name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of where it comes down to, they're like, oh shit, this could be something negative using this because like he thinks he's communicating with a happy, go lucky in today, but it's really a demon name Pazuzu that's, do you think that like when it comes to the negativity of
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[SPEAKER_03]: a Ouija board on a person, do you think some of it comes down to the person's mental stability and what I mean by that is like, and I know there's things like latching in all that bullshit, but for argument's sake and the way my brain's going right now is like, say you and me or contact and fucking Pazuzu or whatever's name, because whatever's name is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And whether, like, whether it's telling us lottery numbers or what's for dinner and more, whatever the fuck whatever it is, it doesn't matter, that it's irrelevant.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think it's possible that it weighs more with certain people than others?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So in that example, I feel like in most cases, you and me are like, we have that experience and we're like, yeah, that's fucking crazy, but whatever, it doesn't matter to us what Kazoo said.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where some people take it like almost like gospel,
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[SPEAKER_03]: was presented to them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they dwell on that situation and it becomes more infectious in their mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that 100%.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause like, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think about and once again, I know there's other factors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's the little like where they can latch and you open a door, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But what if a lot of it does happen to revolve around your mental frailty and allowing those doors and windows to be open and accessed?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like it's 100% has to do with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're using some sort of contact method and you are an extremely...
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[SPEAKER_00]: say like you're deep in your Christian faith and and you were getting messages by what you think is Jesus like you're going to take that as like truth absolute 100% I agree yeah yeah you know I think it had there's a lot of that that kind of go not necessarily with like with Christianity contact with Jesus but no it's a good example though there's a solid example
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that has a lot, a lot to do with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think I agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, yeah, because especially if you went in with the intention of contacting Jesus and did it, then it says, yeah, I'm Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, oh, my holy fuck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got some other cases here about possessions and using the Ouija board I don't go into again, I don't go into a whole lot of detail because like all of these could be their own cases and some of them I actually have tucked away, but there's the Valaca's case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is a haunting that led to death in 1991, a teenage girl Madrid Spain named Estafina Gudieras Lazaro reportedly became possessed after playing with the Ouija board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She and her friends attempted to contact the spirit when a teacher suddenly interrupted them, breaking the board in the process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The act is believed to have revealed the malevolent force, or released the malevolent force shortly after, as the phenom can experiencing terrifying hallucinations, seizures and poltergeist activity in her home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She claimed to see dark figures around her family heard disembodied voices whispering at night that disturbance grew worse and worse until she mysteriously died in her sleep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: even after her death or family continued to experience paranormal events, leading to a police investigation that documented the unexplained occurrences in their home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do actually have a lot of information pulled up on that that I was going to either do a Patreon episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or possibly a short one-off episode, but I've got to tuck back on my notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can actually get and read the police report talking about all of the Poltergeist activity that came from this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I'm going to say it's like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That right there is another interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why this type of shift is so interesting
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[SPEAKER_03]: Once again, it, you know, it could come down to demonic possession, it could come down to her psyche, believing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because like I could totally see somebody using it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And let's just say it is the motor function thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they, It's like a placebo, no placebo effect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a great way to word it like they can, they already have thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They confirm their thoughts, and then they manifest these symptoms because they have convinced themselves of what is happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like going into it thinking, I'm possessed by a demon, and then you get the results that you ask for essentially, and then you go full swing into it of
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[SPEAKER_03]: possession, but it's all in your own fucking mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it almost like could it, like if you get so in your head and you are thinking about that, you are thinking about being possessed by a demon, you are thinking that this thing from the Ouija board is causing all of these things to happen to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you put enough energy into that to essentially like, top a poltergeist to affect these things?
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[SPEAKER_00]: in in your physical presence because she was not at at some point she was not the only one being affected by it her family was hearing things her family was seeing things move so it's almost like it it's almost like it draws energy off of itself after it gets like in your head yeah then it draws energy off well then and on top of that by convincing yourself that you are contacting a demon and and maybe possessed maybe it maybe it's
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[SPEAKER_03]: cracks the door wide enough to actually allow it to happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the other question I have based on what we talked about in the beginning about entities using us as the conduit and the the Ouija board as a tool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How do we feel now about the claims because it's not this and this is the first we've seen and heard it countless times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But how do we feel about?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The mythology around the idea of destroying the Ouija board allows evil to enter a dwelling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: because essentially we talked about how we are actually the conduit, that's just the tool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So how does that transfer take place?
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[SPEAKER_03]: How does the entity leave you and manifest itself within the board?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's that line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The taboo behind it is that these things come through the board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which I don't like, while some of them say that they do telepathically communicate to the board to the person, I feel like that I feel like it's not how it works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It works with us essentially being the conduit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that
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[SPEAKER_00]: the breaking of the board or the destroying of the board like has anything to do with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it was part of the Lord that kind of got threaded through, you know, that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm trying to get rid of the board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said it on fire and it didn't burn or I threw it away and it ended up in my garbage again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you hear that shit all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I do, and I, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if anything, the breaking of the board by the teacher maybe just exacerbated like all of the things that she was going through.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know like one year right you right it could be it could be law threaded through because if you think about it like
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[SPEAKER_03]: people are going to try to explain the anomalies away and I don't I don't think anybody is going to openly be like, yeah, because it makes so much sense now that I think about it, that you would assume something is coming through the board and making contact for as you're not acknowledging the fact that it's actually using you as the conduit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Therefore, that's where that lower begins to manifest is that no, no, no, there's evil
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[SPEAKER_03]: so that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you think about it like tons of spirit communication before the board was ever created as happened with the human being the conduit, like spirit writing, you know, you just hold a pin, you go into a trance, and you contact something from somewhere else, and it will
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[SPEAKER_00]: communicate through that pencil, like essentially the pencil is the wage board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't feel like it matters what tool you're using, it just matters that you're the conduit and you have the tool to document what these things want us to know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and it's also looking at it like the wage board is the tool, like it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess an easy way to explain that to myself and to some of you out there and you, Steve, is what if that's like a communication for beginners, because we were talking outside earlier about telepathy and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, not all of us are gaged and were ready for that
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's very rudimentary, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just literally letters and yes and numbers and yes and no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's, it doesn't get much easier than that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And me and Kyle, we're talking about this outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about electronic communication with spirits, which I don't really talk about much here, because I'm kind of focusing on the wgg aspect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of people that use ghost boxes and do the estes method and they talk about the communication coming in waves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're first starting off,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're catching a lot of phrases and sounds that are for the most part just radio noise it's coming through like you catch a phrase you'll catch a word sometimes it does correlate with like questions being asked to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but that's like just the top layer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like the level one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Level two, as you do it more and more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people that are the conduit of the estasmithid talk about hearing voices underneath the static.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they feel like that is when you're actually getting hands-on communication.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll hear the radio chatter, but you'll tune yourself out to where you can listen below it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where you start hearing like exact phrases and answers to questions that are being asked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That mind you like an S-dismiss that you can't hear the questions being asked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The person is asking the questions and you're just reciting what you're hearing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have no idea what they're asking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you watch videos on the SDS method, it's wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the new Kirk's did one, they do it every Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can tune in like if you're part of their museum, they did one where they're doing an SDS method.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Dana's got her blindfold on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She can't see anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She got her headphones on, can't hear anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they bring out a Ouija board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they set it on the ground and it's bright pink.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hasbro released it for one year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it was marketed to our girls and came with this carrying case and like this whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they set it on the ground and they're like, they're asking whatever the scent is through Dana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're here with us and you can use this weedy board, can you tell us what color it is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mind you, Dana doesn't hear this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and like spot on she gets the phrase barbie baby, which you come in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look how do you affiliate with barbie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You look at the wage board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very barbie wage board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a barbie affiliated, but you would look at that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, that should so like that implies like an intelligence and intelligent like connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so like bonkers to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, got off on a tangent there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: electronic voice phenomena, which a whole different thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Winged it back around to some other possession.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Weegyboard affiliations in 1974 or a woman by the name of Pat Reading was in Birmingham, England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was allegedly possessed after using Weegyboard during a session she made contact with a spirit who called itself Philip, who began to take control over her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Over time her personality changed drastically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She exhibited violent behavior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's spoken an unknown language and seemed to have knowledge of things that she could not possibly have known, which if you look into possession cases, that's one of the like tail-tailed signs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These people will have knowledge of languages that are dead, languages that they couldn't know, knowledge of the pre-spersonal life, like it's kind of a lock-in on exorcism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jelik and Priest was called in to perform an exorcism which lasted several weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Witnesses reported seeing Pat convuls speak in strange voices and react violently to religious objects after grueling battle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was finally freed from the possession.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the demonic possession of Clara Germana Saleh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the oldest recorded cases of Ouija board possession comes from South Africa in 1906.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Clara, a school girl, was said to have dabbled in occult practices, which may have included the use of Ouija board or a similar spirit invoking ritual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Soon after she began exhibiting terrifying symptoms of possession.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She spoke in multiple language she had never learned, displayed unnatural strength, and had a strong aversion to religious symbols, nuns who witnessed her exorcism claim that she levitated and made in human sounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After a long and difficult battle, two priests were able to drive the entity out of her body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another one here I have the Moffa family haunting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1987, Tina Rush, a woman involved in the infamous Moffa haunting claimed that her paranormal experiences began after using a Ouija board, following the session, strange occurrences began in her home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Objects moved on their own, door slams shut without explanation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The furniture shifted in the middle of the night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some paranormal experts believe that she was the victim of demonic oppression,
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[SPEAKER_00]: other dismissed the events as a hoax regarding the cause of the disturbance, regardless the cause of the disturbance continued for years leaving those who witnessed it terrified.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The last little demonic one here before we get into some crime is the kind of the the go to
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you think of Ouija board demons is the demon that goes by the name of Zozo, which is interesting because Pazuzu from the exercise kind of has the same the same go as Zozo, you know, kind of kind of goes hand in hand here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm bringing up him for the soul reason that in next week's
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[SPEAKER_00]: a girl contacts an entity that goes by the same name, but it does something very different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So keep that in mind, interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first appearance of Zozo is said to have occurred in 1816 when a young girl in Picardy France claimed to have fallen victim to severe demonic possession.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was according to the infernal dictionary,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Dictionary in For Now published in 1818 by Jacques Plancy in which the author shared numerous illustrations of demons and anodokes regarding their existence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The passage regarding Zozo following a short passage on Enchanted Castle and Zurich, a mysterious serpent,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would read that in French, but I don't speak French.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just talks about a demon that possesses this young gal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The girl claimed to be a vessel for a number of demons, including one named Mimi, one named Capulet, and this mysterious entity that goes by the name of Zozo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of that is debated as to how much validity there was to that, but it was 1816.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't
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[SPEAKER_00]: valid point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you kind of get into the lore of Zozo, whenever people are said to have said to contact him through the board, the planchette is said to perform strange series of figure eights or inverted z's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Answers become repetitive, the planchette on the Ouija board might also make repetitive movements throughout the alphabet, z to o z to o z to o and back again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you know anything about weed you board lowered, that's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It said you shouldn't go backwards in the alphabet or in numbers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because doing so is a method that demons and evil spirits use to open portals into our world and break through to our side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is interesting claim.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to know more behind that claim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, where where did we get the information that
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[SPEAKER_03]: And also, what is it like, define going backwards for me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking like reversed in the alphabet instead of going like, oh, z, go, z, oh, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like if something was spelled backwards.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I was going to say like, what do you mean like, what if something was like, I'm 31.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, because letters letters of words don't go
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[SPEAKER_00]: in alphabetical order, you know, that would make spelling and reading hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Other signs of Zozo, figure eights and z's on the board, the plan chat rapidly spells out ZO, ZA, ZA, ZA, or M-A, M-A, how do they link that to that one?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess it's just both common.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they think they're talking their mama but it's really Zozo, we go surprise bitch, it's me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, okay, in 2012, this is just a little bit of lore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a very like outside of that one that one thing for 1816 not a lot of like nothing else happened up until like the mid 2000s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in 2012, a user at ghostbase.com shared a story of a confrontation with a suspicious Ouija board spirit her friend had been asking the board questions about her recently deceased father, which it answered correctly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are then it did the same with the user to see some other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually the alleged spirit switched again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They asked who it was this time, the pointer went Oze, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, and then wrote we call him Oz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We ask him to blow out a candle to prove his or to prove himself before we completed the sentence the candle was blown out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The strange spirit also knew the exact time when asked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, we'd relay later reveal a haunting truth to the two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It had been the same spirit the whole time posing as her friend's father and her friend's dead mother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Answering questions correctly by reading their minds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see here, a tale that your ghost stories published in 2012 shares, and yet another haunting experience, the poster named April, had read stories about those of herself but didn't believe them at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She recently moved in with her sister and to celebrate that a few friends over and decided to have some fun with the wage board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bad idea because here comes the demons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here comes the fragrant demons and it right through the board because that's how it works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He placed their hands on the planchet, and April asks, is anyone, or is there anyone there at the board replied, yes, when they ask it to reveal its name, the planchet glided over the Z, then the O, then the Z, then the O, then the Z, then the O, they asked the spirit what it wanted, and it says, go to the original post to find out what happens next.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know, is this even working?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, they,
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[SPEAKER_00]: they asked what he wanted in the board spelled out the word death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like that's very nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's a pretty mean gesture unless they're asking her it's saying that it wants to Yeah, there is in 2009 this is when the kind of the phenomenon I really took to
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[SPEAKER_00]: off online, because March 24th, the man named Darren Evans from Oklahoma shared his own story online.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He'd long been fascinated with the cult, particularly Ouija boards and had experienced many strange phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was also shocked, he said, by how many times the word Zozo showed up, even in many different states and many different Ouija boards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Inspired others came forward with their stories, also claiming to contact the same demon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's our little Ouija board demon named Zozo,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep in mind that was 2009.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the first online kind of kind of come to Zozo meeting there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got because in next week's episode, Zozo shows up a little bit earlier and it ain't what we think it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So from there, I'm going to move on to a few cases that are kind of true, crime-y where Ouija boards are kind of linked in to a set of crimes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listverse had a whole set of these where people were committing crimes, saying that the Ouija board had told them to all kinds of good, good, crazy stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First and foremost, the most popular one is the Lizzy boarden murders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure any two crammers out there know exactly what this is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lizzy boarden took an axe, gave her mother 30 wax when she saw what she had done, gave her father 31 or 41 however many.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pull, nursery rhyme.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can actually find and read the post murder results of a Ouija board session.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, in the prosecutor's notes from Lizzie boarden's trial, according to the spirits, so they they actually went to a Ouija board and asked that's weird, if Lizzie was guilty, like, it's in the trial notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do they do it during the trial?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know if they
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fucking nuts that they would even admit that in the court like that that just goes to show you like
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[SPEAKER_00]: How differently we view the Ouija board now, yeah, then how they viewed it then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's definitely bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's wild, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So according to the spirits, Lizzy was guilty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She'd worn trousers during the killing, which she then buried in the yard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lizzy's cousin, John Morse, a sister with the cover up, as did her sister Emma and her personal physician.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Ouija board also indicated that Lizzie would never be found guilty, her motive, money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She overheard talk of an investment that she had hoped to inherit, being put in her stepmother's name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, the jury didn't agree with the board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lizzie was acquitted, of the murders, and no one even bothered to dig up the yard to try to find the bloodstained trousers that the Ouija board said was buried.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just said, nah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another case I found here is from November 8th, 1933, a woman by the name of Dorothea Eirring Turley was using a Ouija board with her 15-year-old daughter, Maddie Turley, in their home in Prescott, Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dorothea was using the planchette, which spelled out a message, instructing her daughter, Maddie, to kill her father, thereby freeing Dorothea to marry a young cowboy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She also told her daughter that the board could not be denied.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So obedient to her mother and the board, Matty walked up behind her 48-year-old father and shot him twice in the back while he was doing chores on the farm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He died in the hospital a few weeks later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both Matty and Dothio were arrested, the whole story quickly came out, Matty admitted her guilt and was sentenced to a reform school until she was 18.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dothio was convicted of assault with intent to commit murder and was given a sentence of 10 to 25 years, however the conviction was overturned by the Arizona Supreme Court in 1936.
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[SPEAKER_00]: resulting in her release from prison.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll notice a lot of these cases are more so people manipulating the use of the board as opposed to actually being told by the board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, just reiterating that humans are the worst monsters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next one here, we have February 10th, 1993, 35-year-old Stephen Young, an insurance broker, entered the home of 45-year-old Card dealer, Harry Fuller, in Watthurst, England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Young was swimming in debt and knew that Fuller kept a large quantity of money in his house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Young shot Fuller once in the back and then shot his young wife, Nicola, four times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When Nicola called the police, I was going to omit a piece there, but apparently I can't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nicola was shot four times once in the face when Nicola called the police the operator heard noises, but thought it was a young child playing game, so no help was sent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It turns out the noise the operator heard was Nicola dying, speaking through her severely broken jaw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Short time later, young was arrested for the crime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He admitted to going to the Fuller House on the day of the murder, but insisted the Harry and Nicola were already dead, prompting him to run away and fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That story failed to convince the jury and he was convicted of two life sentences in October 1994.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Retrial was order because as times have changed, four of the jurors turned out to have sought a bit of outside help making their decision.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They used an upturned wine glass on a wage board and it seemed to contact the victims to ask them if young actually did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, the board confirmed that young was the murderer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the next morning, the force him told the other eight jurors about the board's message.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although the jurors insisted they didn't take it seriously or let it affect their decision, young's appeal for a second trial was granted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The retrial was hard for the family and the victims who were disappointed by the ruling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Luckily for them, young was again found guilty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's crazy to go from Lizzie Borden's where the, they actively,
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[SPEAKER_00]: for help to where when the jurors asked the board for help in 94, they're like, this is bonkers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but imagine having that piece of evidence being the nail to your coffin, like imagine not, like imagine him telling the truth in that situation, just showed up and found that they were dead when I got here, which I mean, let's be real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Could actually happen
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Ouija Borgo's, nah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry about you losing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry about you losing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're on team Psycho Killer, and we're gonna frame you for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, speaking of Psycho Killer's, that was suck, so bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Over the course of two nights in July 1976, career criminal Gary Gilmore shot two men to death and Utah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was soon arrested and became famous when he demanded to be executed for his crimes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gary's younger brother, McCill, later wrote the classic book shot in the heart about their childhood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the book, McCill relates a strange story about their mother, Bessie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to McCill,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bessie was convinced that she had contacted a demonic spirit through a Ouija board as a child.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Furthermore, she believed that the demon had subsequently attached itself to her family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She became even more convinced when one of her sisters was killed, and another one was left paralyzed after an accident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as an adult, Bessie married Frank Gilmore, whose mother, Faye, was a medium, one night Bessie was told that there would be a say on Saphay's home, remembering her own bad experience with a supernatural Bessie stayed away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Returning to Fine Faye exhausted and terrified, she managed to get the older woman into bed before heading to sleep herself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A short time later, she was awoken by the feeling that something was touching her face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When she opened her eyes, she saw a terrifying, inhuman creature laying in bed beside her, screaming she jumped out of bed only to see Faye walking into the room, shouting, it knows who you are, and urging Bessie to get out of the house right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Panicking she ran into the bedroom of where her children were sleeping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They, as she saw the creature looking directly into the eyes for a young son, Gary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When she managed to grab her kids and flee the house, Gary reportedly began to have terrible nightmares afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bethesie would see the entity again, standing in her house just before Gary started getting into trouble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She came to believe that the demon she had summoned as a child that the weegee board had possessed her son, making him an angry violent man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 1977 Gilmore was executed for his crimes via firing squad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is the subject of Norman Mailer's Pulitzer Prize-winning book, The Executioner Song, which was adapted into a TV movie starring Tommy Lee Jones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'll do one more here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a couple, but we'll just do one more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That would have sucked to have seen that entity looking at your kid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It would have
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would have Goldberg's beard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, Spapa Power Bomb right there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that would suck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, okay, so the last one here in A, wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just Luxio, let me try this again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1983, 25-year-old Anthony Hall, in a 16-year-old girlfriend bunny Dixon, it's a good name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The name, her fascinator was Satanism in the occult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That summer, Dixon told Hall, and their friends, 24-year-old Daniel Bowen, and 18-year-old Elizabeth Town, about a plan that he'd been given to her by the spirit of a 10-year-old boy named David, who communicated with her through a Ouija board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The plan involved leaving their home in Florida and joining Carnival in Virginia in order to fund the trip they would have to rob and murder a motorist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow, I love it, I love it, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The guitar nerd at the end, that's the part of the five step plan of freedom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was real wholesome joining the carnival until you had to murder someone to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On July 20th, town in Dixon pretended to hitchhike while the two other men hid in 25 year old knock Van Dang picked up the girls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The men jumped out and robbed him of $111 at knife point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They then bound and gagged him, drove a short distance to an isolated area where Hall carved an inverted cross into Dang's chest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The youths then made him hop onto a wooded area where they shot him 11 times in the head and the chest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After the murder, they took off in his car, but the two couples split up in North Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once they were on their own, Bowen and Town called the police and told them they'd witness to murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also led the police to the crime scene, Holland Dixon were arrested a short time thereafter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All four were tried for the murder, Holland Bowen got life sentences while Dixon was given 50 years in town got 17.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a few other ones here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, this whole, like all of the true crimey aspect is on list verse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They gave a whole section of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just picked out a few here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is just kind of touching on like the more negative aspects of the weed you board, like the demon connotation with it, which I don't know if I buy that shit or not, you know, at this point, I mean, I think it happens for sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: it catches a lot more flack for that than uh... is warranted yeah i think it's just people like i said before not wanting to take the fifty fifty gambling yeah you know what i mean yeah i think that has a lot to do with it
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think as you'll you'll see next week you need to turn it tuned in next week because I feel like again the board is just a tool where we're the conduit where if you can contact spirits of your dead loved ones and you can contact demons from hell You can probably contact other entities with these weird ones And I found some cases where that happened take out so
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be sure to tune in next week Where shit's about to get weird as we love that's what we love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are here for the weird so Thanks for hanging out with us today Well, everybody has a great work week and Check that check us out at all our socials and until we meet again Stay safe Stay weird And if you're gonna go to the carnival you don't have to rob murder someone before you do it
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if the Ouija board does too.