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Bonus Episode: Research, "Rock Stars," and Two-Part Episodes · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey discos, you can listen to an extended version of
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  Speaker 1: is brought to you by Double Elvis. This week, we
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  Speaker 1: have part one of our Peter Tosh story in the
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  Speaker 1: Disgraceland feed And don't forget about that exclusive Hunter S.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland
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  Speaker 1: bonus episode, a little thing we'd like to call the
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  Speaker 1: after Party. This is the show after the show, the
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  Speaker 1: party after the party, the bridge to get from one
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  Speaker 1: full episode of disgrace clent to the other, the backyard
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  Speaker 1: to dig into the dirt. On this episode, we are
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  Speaker 1: talking about our new Peter Tosh episode of Disgraceland that
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  Speaker 1: is in your feeds right now, Part one of two.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about the sources that went into the creation
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  Speaker 1: of our Tosh episode, including the source that got us
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  Speaker 1: that juicy tidbit on how Peter Tosh funded an album
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  Speaker 1: by smuggling drugs. But that's for later, and of course
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  Speaker 1: your voicemails, text dms and more, and as always, a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of rosie. Alright, just goes. Let's get into it,
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  Speaker 1: all right. I have this thing that really annoys me,
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  Speaker 1: and it's been someone from the corporate world, or any
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  Speaker 1: professional world for that matter, any world other than the
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  Speaker 1: music industry, when they refer to someone as a rock
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  Speaker 1: star like some sort of reward, you know, like Danny
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  Speaker 1: from accounting got all his work done and stayed laid
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: What a rock star?
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  Speaker 1: Or Shila down the street she pulled in our garbage
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  Speaker 1: bins for us while we were on vacation, what a
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  Speaker 1: rock star? Or did he see that Craig there? He
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  Speaker 1: scored us tickets for that game? What a rock star?
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  Speaker 1: I know now that I'm being kind of a prick
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  Speaker 1: about this, but Danny, Sheila, and Craig they.
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  Speaker 2: Are not rock stars.
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  Speaker 1: If what was said about them didn't concern accounting, garbage
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  Speaker 1: pails and sporting event tickets and instead went something like this,
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  Speaker 1: Danny got a seventeen year old babysit or pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: What a rock star?
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  Speaker 1: Sheila overdosed on crack cocaine she brought from her neighbor Craig.
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  Speaker 2: What a rock star.
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  Speaker 1: Craig's doing twenty to life out of conquered MCI for
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  Speaker 1: selling Shila that rock What a rock star?
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  Speaker 2: Listen?
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  Speaker 1: Music history is littered with illicit relationships with illegal and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes deadly drug use. You know, we know this from
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  Speaker 1: listening to this podcast. So many more transgressions, so much
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  Speaker 1: more bad behavior. My point is that rock star behavior
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  Speaker 1: should not be lauded. It shouldn't be celebrated, to be
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  Speaker 1: treated like some sort of badge of honor, unless, of course,
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  Speaker 1: you're some kind of degenerate hooligan with a twisted sense
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  Speaker 1: of humor, which I have a feeling most of you,
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  Speaker 1: like me, either are or were at one point. And
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  Speaker 1: if you're not anymore and you say live the respectable
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  Speaker 1: family life, a part of you still identifies with these
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  Speaker 1: rock star heathens and is highly entertained by their behavior,
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  Speaker 1: which of course is why we are all here. Also,
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  Speaker 1: and this is the biggest part of the pet peeve
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  Speaker 1: here equating just going the extra mile in a civilian life,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being a good accountant, being a good friend,
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  Speaker 1: being a good neighbor. Let's not get it twisted. Let's
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  Speaker 1: not elevate that to rock star behavior. That is not
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  Speaker 1: what that is. Clearly we know this, and I know,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, I know I'm being a prick about this,
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  Speaker 1: But why the hair across my ass? Okay, why about
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  Speaker 1: Danny from accounting being a rock star. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I guess to my point, I just made it cheapens
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  Speaker 1: what rock stars actually do, staying late to work on
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  Speaker 1: TPS reports over a tech It hardly compares with squatting
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  Speaker 1: and Keith Richard's Jamaican vacation home as Peter Tosh did,
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  Speaker 1: and refusing to leave by thread of your machine gun.
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  Speaker 1: Peter Tosh was a rock star, and so was Keith Richards.
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  Speaker 1: But here's where I'm a hypocrite. Just as I despise
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  Speaker 1: the overuse and or misuse I should say of the
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  Speaker 1: term rock star, I overuse and misuse the word badass
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  Speaker 1: or the phrase badass, because that's what Keith Richards was,
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  Speaker 1: a real badass.
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  Speaker 2: Balls the size.
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  Speaker 1: Of big whatever fruit kind of fruit they grow in Jamaica,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, mangoes whatever. Keith Richards had them to
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  Speaker 1: stare down Peter Tosh and to get the armed to
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  Speaker 1: the teeth Jamaican musician out of his place so that
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  Speaker 1: Keith rich Justs can move back in. As the story goes,
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  Speaker 1: you need mango size balls. You need to be a badass, okay,
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  Speaker 1: a real badass.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I call people badass all the time, people who weren't
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  Speaker 1: really badass. Okay, not in the truest sense of the term.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: I've even considered myself to be a badass on occasion,
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  Speaker 1: but I assure you I am not Keith Richards level badass.
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  Speaker 1: Like I even have to mention that that is a
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  Speaker 1: special kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what I am talking about.
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  Speaker 1: This is why these subjects, whether they're musicians, whether they're cooks,
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  Speaker 1: whether they're artists, this is why they're so interesting. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to dilute that, okay, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think any of us should want to dilute that. But
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  Speaker 1: what I do think we should know is start to
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  Speaker 1: get a sense of who from the world of music
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  Speaker 1: and culture in general, who are the real badasses, those
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  Speaker 1: who wouldn't back down, who won't back down, those who've
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  Speaker 1: demonstrated real bravery, real craziness in the face of fear,
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  Speaker 1: in the face of intimidation. Keith Richards definitely, Steve McQueen absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, probably not, Marlon Brando, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe, I would say so one thousand percent.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, who else?
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  Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight
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  Speaker 1: To let me know who the most bad as musicians
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  Speaker 1: and cultural figures are from history, and give me some
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  Speaker 1: examples of their badass behavior, and I'll be back in
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  Speaker 1: a moment.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: As I said earlier, this week's episode on Peter Tosh
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  Speaker 1: is part one of two. We've done a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: two part episodes in the past here in Disgraceland, Guns n' Roses,
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  Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, the Sex Pistols, Kurt and Courtney, the Beach Boys.
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  Speaker 1: John Lennon was the first one. John and the way
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  Speaker 1: this happened was the John Lennon episode. I researched it
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  Speaker 1: and then I wrote it, and I wrote it as
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  Speaker 1: one episode and I finished it and I.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, Fuck, this is long.
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  Speaker 1: How am I going to do this, and I just said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'll just do two and that was it. And then
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  Speaker 1: we sort of got into like, like, Okay, how do
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  Speaker 1: we structure two episodes? How do we make them fit
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  Speaker 1: and feel right and make sense? But you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking this Peter Tosh episode, this might be our last
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  Speaker 1: two parter for a while. And it's you know, in part,
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  Speaker 1: just to be totally honest, we've been using it as
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  Speaker 1: a crutch to not do the proper amount of editing
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  Speaker 1: and outlining that we should. And and it's not crutch
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  Speaker 1: is probably too harsh of a word, because it's also
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  Speaker 1: a good thing for us when we when we get
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  Speaker 1: two episodes out of out of one batch of research
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  Speaker 1: in a way where we're doubling the amount of value
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  Speaker 1: that we get from the work we've done. But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, you know, it's just there's so many
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  Speaker 1: people we need to talk about here, and I can
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  Speaker 1: already hear the criticism from some of you who, despite
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  Speaker 1: what we love or think about Peter Tosh, You're you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna sit there and you go, oh, really, Peter Tosh
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  Speaker 1: gets two episodes, But you know, I don't know, the
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  Speaker 1: Ramons get one. You know what I mean, Like, you
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  Speaker 1: can make that argument over and over again about a
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: gazillion different subjects that we've covered, and we have this
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  Speaker 1: new vision, this new Icon series we're doing, and it
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  Speaker 1: just adds to the amount of people that we want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about. It's a long list to cover, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're taking up too much space with these
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  Speaker 1: two partners, and we should be better at our jobs.
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  Speaker 1: We should be better at coming up with concise, impactful,
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  Speaker 1: hard hitting single episodes on one subject that really blow
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  Speaker 1: your socks off. Not that the Tosh episodes aren't blowing
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  Speaker 1: your socks off, I know they are. There's is so
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  Speaker 1: much drama here. It made a lot of sense to
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  Speaker 1: do this as two parts because it allowed us to
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  Speaker 1: focus on his assassination and the conspiracy theories around the
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  Speaker 1: assassination almost entirely in episode two. But I'm getting ahead
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  Speaker 1: of myself, just giving you guys an update on a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of the behind the scenes here, how we
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  Speaker 1: made this episode and what we're thinking about future episodes
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to make. This week's episode the part
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  Speaker 1: one on the Peter Tosh story. Some fascinating research went
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  Speaker 1: into this. The main biography that we use for research
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  Speaker 1: for this is called Stepen Razor The Life of Peter
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  Speaker 1: Tosh by John Missouri. Can only find this book as
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  Speaker 1: an ebook. If it does exist in physical form, we
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  Speaker 1: couldn't track it down. This covers Tosh's life in great detail,
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  Speaker 1: including some super crucial stuff about why he decided to
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  Speaker 1: leave the Whalers and that a big reason for his
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  Speaker 1: leaving the Whalers was that Chris Blackwell, founder of Island Records,
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  Speaker 1: was grooming Toash's bandmate Bob Murley for superstardom and not
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  Speaker 1: Peter Tosh. Another great resource for this week's episode was
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  Speaker 1: a documentary called Stepping Razor Red X. This is a
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  Speaker 1: film from nineteen ninety two, super cool. It uses these
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  Speaker 1: audio tapes that Tosh made of himself talking about his life,
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  Speaker 1: his views, his music, talking about everything. Tapes that he
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  Speaker 1: made shortly before he was murdered. So basically it's like
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  Speaker 1: Peter Tosh is narrating a film about his own life,
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  Speaker 1: even though it was put together a few years after
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  Speaker 1: he died. This is the source where I got the
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  Speaker 1: quote it is dangerous to have the truth in your possession.
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  Speaker 1: You can be found guilty and sentenced to death, which,
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  Speaker 1: of course is a very poignant quote considering what happens
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  Speaker 1: to Peter Tosh. Also, it's also where I got the
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  Speaker 1: story that opens the episode about Tosh running to the
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  Speaker 1: sounds of his parents and nearly getting blinded when he
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  Speaker 1: runs into wire, which is just so painful to think about.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe though, the craziest anecdote that we discovered came from
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  Speaker 1: a book called Bob Marley in the Whalers nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 1: three to nineteen seventy six, co written by Lee Jaffe,
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  Speaker 1: who is one of Peter Tosh's associates back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: This book is only available in French, so of course
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get to read it, but I read a
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  Speaker 1: lot about it, and there's this anecdote that comes from
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  Speaker 1: this book that people were talking about that Peter Tosh
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  Speaker 1: raised most of the money to make his album Legalize
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  Speaker 1: It from you got a shipment of marijuana that was
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  Speaker 1: illegally flown from Jamaica to the United States.
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  Speaker 2: As you're going to hear in the.
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  Speaker 1: Episode, this story is fucking nuts. This is the type
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  Speaker 1: of story that is at the heart of Disgraceland. This
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  Speaker 1: type of research that we do brings these stories out,
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  Speaker 1: puts them in this new medium of podcasting. For you,
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  Speaker 1: it's why you love the show. This to me is
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  Speaker 1: next to the Keith Richards home invasion thing, the most
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  Speaker 1: interesting part of the Peter Tosh story. If I was
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  Speaker 1: hanging out, I was eighteen years old, only with my
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  Speaker 1: boys at a party, drinking beers whatever. This is the
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  Speaker 1: story about Peter Tosh that I would talk about. What
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  Speaker 1: is the story about Peter Tosh that you would talk about?
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  Speaker 1: Is this it? What do you think of this story
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  Speaker 1: about using illegal shipment of dope flown from Jamaica to
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  Speaker 1: the United States back in the seventies to fund what
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  Speaker 1: is I guess probably his biggest record. I should know
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  Speaker 1: this probably probably Peter Tosh's biggest album Legalize it?
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  Speaker 2: Uh wild story?
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  Speaker 1: Right, let me know what you think the wildest story
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  Speaker 1: is six one seven nine oh six six six three eight. Also,
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  Speaker 1: coming your way this week, you can hit me up
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  Speaker 1: And I want to know, this is an honest to
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  Speaker 1: god question.
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  Speaker 2: You can only listen to one.
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  Speaker 1: Who's it going to be? Bob Marley or Peter Tosh?
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  Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight,
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  Speaker 1: and honor of this week's episode on Peter Tosh me
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  Speaker 1: reading you. The Billboard Hot one hundred from the week
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  Speaker 1: of June nineteenth, nineteen seventy six, when Peter Tosh released
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  Speaker 1: his debut solo album, Legalize It. Number one Silly Love
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  Speaker 1: Songs Wings last week one, peak position one weeks on
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  Speaker 1: Show are eleven, number two Get Up and Boogie That's Right,
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  Speaker 1: Silver Convention, last week two, peak position two weeks on
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  Speaker 1: chart fifteen, Number three Misty Blue Dorothy Moore, last week three,
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  Speaker 1: peak position three weeks on Chart fourteen, number four Love
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  Speaker 1: Hangover Diana Ross last week four. Peak position last week
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  Speaker 1: one weeks on Charts twelve number five. Sarah Smiled Arryl
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  Speaker 1: Hall just last week pet peak position weeks on Church
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  Speaker 2: Shannon Henry Rose last.
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  Speaker 1: Week six peak position six peaks on Shark seventeen number one.
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