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- 0:00Hello, hello, hello. We are in the middle of spring. Maybe you're listening
- 0:05to this when it's not spring, but I love it.
- 0:09I love everything about spring. I love the rabbits, the imaginary rabbits,
- 0:17and the chicks, the hatching.
- 0:21I do love something that we have in the Netherlands. I do love the swans and
- 0:26that the swans are having babies and the babies are these little furry cute ducklings.
- 0:34Swanlings and the moms are so protective it's dangerous but they're really cute
- 0:40from afar so i love the sun i am a child of the sun having grown up in california
- 0:47and then married an italian,
- 0:49So living in the Netherlands,
- 0:52having lived in Portland, Oregon for so many years, I need the sun to thrive.
- 0:58So I am feeling great. I hope you are feeling great also.
- 1:03Here's what I want to talk about today. Money. And there's so many things.
- 1:09Money just means so many things. and as an American watching some of the things
- 1:15that are happening in the U.S., there's a lot of emphasis on making money means greed, right?
- 1:23Like we're watching all this billionaire activity and we're watching politics cater to those people.
- 1:31And it's really easy to think, well, I don't want to be like that.
- 1:35I don't want to be a greedy person who only cares about capitalism and only
- 1:41cares about profit and only cares about that pushing, aggressive.
- 1:46Kind of typically masculine sensibility.
- 1:50So where I want to help guide, especially if you're a female business owner,
- 1:58is towards this idea that when you have money,
- 2:03you have freedom, you have opportunity,
- 2:06but more than anything you have the
- 2:09ability to help other people so when
- 2:12we give our services gifts talents away for free which is part of our nature
- 2:19because we're nurturing people and we want to help people and sometimes for
- 2:23us we feel like our gifts and talents come so easily to us why should other people pay?
- 2:30That's another thing that we think.
- 2:33And I want to remind you that this idea that money could mean more opportunity for other people,
- 2:42it also means you get to show people what's possible so they see what you've
- 2:50been able to do and then they want to reach for something new, different, different.
- 2:56Or elevating for them, right? We all want to get to a place that is more easeful
- 3:05and joyous, where we can work less and earn more.
- 3:11I mean, right? That's the dream. That is everyone's dream on every level.
- 3:17Some people are doing it at a scale where they have to take advantage of other people.
- 3:24They have to rape and pillage the earth to get there and to stay there.
- 3:29That's not what we're talking about here, okay?
- 3:32We are not talking about that level of wealth at 1%.
- 3:37What I'm talking about is even valuing your own gifts and talents and services,
- 3:46valuing them even 1% more than where you're valuing them now.
- 3:51We're not looking at billionaire status. We're looking at you valuing yourself
- 3:57and your services and having the confidence to say, this is how much it costs.
- 4:03The easiest way to start charging for your services is to cost it out.
- 4:10The hardest thing to do is to sell a number that comes from nowhere.
- 4:15So if you just sit down and you think to yourself, I'm a consultant,
- 4:19I'm a coach, I'm in marketing services, I do PR, and you sit down and you think
- 4:25to yourself, all right, what's the going rate?
- 4:28A thousand bucks an hour. Okay, I'm going to charge $750. I'm going to be the deal.
- 4:34Where does that number come from? It's completely arbitrary.
- 4:38You made it up in your head. So when you go out to
- 4:41a client and you say the cost for that is
- 4:44750 dollars euros pounds you're
- 4:48it's going to be hard for you to really sell that
- 4:52number in because you don't believe in
- 4:55that number it really came out of nowhere so when they start negotiating down
- 4:59you're going to think to yourself well yeah i made that number up out of nowhere
- 5:04sure i'll do it for 250 i see people do this all the time where they just keep
- 5:11devaluing and devaluing,
- 5:13number one, based on some preconceived notion that that person doesn't have any money?
- 5:19Did you ask them? No.
- 5:22I hear particularly a lot of women business owners say, oh, well, I know her background.
- 5:29I hear this a lot. It's danger zone. Oh, I know that her husband has this really
- 5:35fancy job so she has money.
- 5:37Oh, I know that she's a single mom and she doesn't have money.
- 5:42People. First of all, it's dangerous territory to judge people based on what
- 5:47you see on social media and like what you infer or what you've heard.
- 5:52That's a danger zone. Also, you are deciding ahead of time what this person
- 5:59can pay for or not pay for based on something that you see rather than something
- 6:04that you've talked to them about.
- 6:06So I am not in the business of taking advantage of people at all,
- 6:12but do not decide for them what they can pay for or what they can't pay for.
- 6:18Because what I'm going to tell you here may blow your mind if you've never heard it put this way.
- 6:26There is an opportunity when you charge someone money for a service that you're
- 6:31actually providing them an opportunity to grow.
- 6:34What do I mean by that? If they've never invested in themselves if they've never
- 6:40taken money and said, I'm going to double down on myself.
- 6:44I'm going to put this money towards me, towards learning opportunities.
- 6:50Towards the growth of my business, my ideas, my career.
- 6:55If no one has ever done that, you asking them to do it is an amazing opportunity
- 7:03for them to think about what does it mean for me to invest actual cash money,
- 7:10not just time, but actual money in myself.
- 7:15I tell this story to my clients a lot. During COVID, I was in a job.
- 7:21It was dangerously close to a job that was about to go away because of COVID.
- 7:27I knew it. I could see it on the horizon. I'm likely to get laid off from this job.
- 7:33And despite that, I had been listening to a podcast about coaching.
- 7:39I didn't know anything about coaching before that.
- 7:43Ironically, my supervisor boss had told me about this podcast.
- 7:49I started listening to this podcast during COVID on my walks because I didn't
- 7:53have to commute to Amsterdam anymore, which was all in all three hours of my day commuting.
- 8:00And so I was taking a lot of walks. And I listened to this podcast.
- 8:05They started talking about this coach certification program they were running.
- 8:09Here comes the ice cream track.
- 8:12Love it. Love spring. And I looked into it.
- 8:16This coaching program was, hold on to your hats, people, $18,000.
- 8:23$18,000. Okay, never in my life had I ever considered, outside of the university
- 8:31experience that I invested in, which was in the 90s actually less than that.
- 8:37I probably spent less than $18,000 for my entire four-year university experience.
- 8:43That being said, it was an enormous amount of money and I was about to get laid off from my job.
- 8:50But what it did for me, spending that amount of money on myself and on this
- 8:58idea that I am going to start a business that merges all of my skills and talents,
- 9:04that feels totally aligned with who I am, that feels really on point with where
- 9:09we are in the world and helping people find alternative ways to make money that
- 9:14don't look like the old ways that we've always done it.
- 9:17I doubled down on myself and you can't imagine the gift that that was.
- 9:25Now, in retrospect, it's really easy to think, well, did I get scammed?
- 9:30Was that too much? I think coaches in the COVID era had a tendency to overcharge
- 9:37people and maybe take slight advantage of them.
- 9:40I do not feel that way about that investment, number one, because it did a lot for me and my mindset,
- 9:47believing in myself and taking that gamble on myself, that level of risk on
- 9:52myself, particularly where I was in the business.
- 9:56The second thing about it is I think the program I went through was phenomenal.
- 10:01I think they really underpriced.
- 10:04They over-delivered. So what is that expression?
- 10:09They under-promised and over-delivered in a big way.
- 10:13I got things from that program that I was not expecting to get. So that was incredible.
- 10:19I made connections through that program, particularly during COVID,
- 10:25that were really fundamental to me moving forward. I still have a relationship
- 10:29with one of my coach colleagues. We coach each other every week. It's been five years.
- 10:34I mean, amazing things came from it. But one of the biggest things that came
- 10:38from it was this idea of I am taking cash money out of my family's savings account
- 10:45for me because I believe that I'm going to be able to do this,
- 10:51that I'm going to be able to pay this back from the earnings of my business.
- 10:55It was a gamble, but a gamble that I would do again in a heartbeat.
- 11:01So if you are offering services to people for free, and the reason I'm bringing
- 11:08this up, just in case you're listening, you know who you are.
- 11:11We just had this conversation over, you know, some tea.
- 11:16You are devaluing yourself, but you're also taking away an opportunity for someone
- 11:23to grow because they're making that investment in themselves.
- 11:28You're also teaching them by example. You're teaching them, hey,
- 11:32I don't think you should be offering your services for free,
- 11:36and therefore I'm not going to offer my services for free.
- 11:39I can tell you as a business owner, I never ask anyone to do anything for free
- 11:44because I am running a for-profit business.
- 11:47So if I'm using your skills and talents and I am leveraging them for free,
- 11:53but I am making a profit on what I learn from you or get from you or whatever the exchange is,
- 11:59it's unequal at that point.
- 12:03It's inequitable because I've just taken something from you to turn into a business.
- 12:08I have one client who we have this kind of amazing relationship.
- 12:12We've been working together for a long time. She has been sending me a crazy
- 12:16amount of business, lots of referrals. And it was super important to me to make
- 12:20sure, hey, how do we make this equitable?
- 12:24How do we make this like a shared benefit?
- 12:27And she just wants more coaching, which is amazing.
- 12:31But I don't want it to ever feel like I'm taking from someone without giving back.
- 12:39And you can develop a barter. Of course you can.
- 12:42But I think in the life that we live, money is the way that we live.
- 12:49Survive. I mean, at the end of the day, we cannot survive without it.
- 12:54So if you're asking me to give you something for free, you're asking me to sacrifice
- 13:00something that might be beneficial to my family.
- 13:04I mean, that's just the truth of it. Some people have more than others.
- 13:09Some people have less than others. I will tell you, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors out there.
- 13:14So someone who you think might have money might not have any.
- 13:18So just don't take the they have money, they don't have money any further into
- 13:26your business because it's an unfair judgment. You literally have no idea.
- 13:31Somebody might wear Gucci and they've put everything on a credit card and they're
- 13:35$200,000 in debt, right?
- 13:39But on the outside, they look wealthy.
- 13:42That's, I think, the American way. Spend more than you make and make yourself
- 13:47look rich on the outside.
- 13:50There's just so much smoke and mirrors. You just have no idea.
- 13:53So I want to encourage you if you haven't been charging for your services or
- 13:59it feels like a leap or it feels uncomfortable, that's where coaching comes
- 14:04in. I call that the coaching gap.
- 14:06There's no gap in your talent. You know your talent, you know your experience
- 14:11level, you know what you're able to do and how you're able to serve.
- 14:15If you're insecure about asking for money or you're not sure how much money,
- 14:20that's where the coaching comes in. So let's talk about how much because I got off track.
- 14:26How do you charge for your services and how does that sale get easier when the
- 14:32number is grounded in reality?
- 14:35So I have a spreadsheet that I share with my clients that helps you estimate your time.
- 14:42So let's say you're offering to do a discovery session for a client.
- 14:49Okay, and let's say this discovery session is three hours long.
- 14:53Don't only consider those three hours as the time spent on this project,
- 14:57because number one, you're going to have to probably have a preliminary conversation with them.
- 15:03You are going to want to do some prep and research.
- 15:06That's all time that goes in there. You might on the back end after the discovery
- 15:12session want to do some wrap-up notes or send them recommendations or create
- 15:17a presentation or have a follow-up meeting with them.
- 15:21So you need to sit down and do the math. How many hours will a three-hour discovery
- 15:28session really take? Let's call it.
- 15:32Six, okay? Rough number. But know really tangibly how many hours.
- 15:39What do you charge per hour?
- 15:42You need to come up with a number that accommodates for any overhead costs that you have.
- 15:48Let's just call it 10%, okay?
- 15:51Because your overhead may be very low right now and it may need to increase, put a rough number 10%.
- 15:57So if you want to charge 70 euros an hour, make sure you add that additional
- 16:04seven for your overhead.
- 16:06And then remember, whatever your tax bracket is, you're going to have to take
- 16:12that out of that number too.
- 16:14So you don't always have to, I mean, there's definitely that net income before
- 16:18taxes number that is the number you're looking at in the business.
- 16:22But if you're a small business or a solopreneur, if you make 70 bucks and you
- 16:27have to give 30% of that away, you want to accommodate for that too.
- 16:32And I know it's a little bit funky with taxes because the more you make,
- 16:34the more you pay and you don't want to bump those numbers up too high because
- 16:38then it's going to look like a different number at the end.
- 16:42But just keep that in the back of your mind. You will have to pay taxes on that.
- 16:47But you want to at least put that overhead number in and then put a profit margin.
- 16:51Because what if you scale and eventually you bring someone else in to run that discovery session?
- 16:57You want to have a model for your hourly rate that doesn't rely on you being
- 17:01that person and allows for that additional profit margin if you have to pay someone else to do it.
- 17:09So if the rate now is 77 per hour and you are going to pay someone 77 per hour.
- 17:17Well, what do you charge your client? Because you want to make sure there's a profit.
- 17:21So I think anywhere between 20 and 50 percent is a good number.
- 17:26And then so here's what happens. Now you have six hours, let's call it at 90 an hour.
- 17:33That final number you can play with.
- 17:38So if that number, okay, let me just do the math because I can't do that math in my head.
- 17:43So we said it's 90 times six.
- 17:47Here we go with the math. It starts to get complicated.
- 17:49That's 540 for a three-hour discovery session. That is a deal.
- 17:56If you came to me and said, I'm going to do a three-hour discovery with my client
- 18:01for 540 euros or dollars. I would say that's way too low.
- 18:06But that's the real number, right? That's a number that includes a profit margin
- 18:11and a percentage for overhead.
- 18:14So that's a real number. Anything over that number.
- 18:18Is you trying to meet market demand or you wanting to make sure,
- 18:23hey, if I do two discoveries a month, I need to be able to pay my bills,
- 18:27so therefore it's going to be $2,000 or whatever.
- 18:30But at the end of the day, if they keep negotiating and negotiating,
- 18:33you cannot go lower than $540 without losing money.
- 18:37So that becomes a very easy number.
- 18:41So if you were selling, let's call it $550 discovery session,
- 18:47you are going to be the deal of the century in the marketplace,
- 18:51because that's going to be real high value.
- 18:57One thing you have to be careful of is that if you lowball your number too much,
- 19:03they might think you're too cheap. It can backfire.
- 19:07It's like shopping at the discount store versus the luxury store.
- 19:12People expect experience and knowledge to have a higher price point because
- 19:18they want that higher value.
- 19:19But you get to decide this project
- 19:23is going to cost you 540 what you
- 19:27charge them is up to you at that point if you think
- 19:29they don't have appetite for more than that charge them that's
- 19:33like the at cost right but you get to decide from that number forward what you
- 19:40want to charge and how comfortable you are with that next level number and i
- 19:46will tell you from my experience it's really easy to look at that number and
- 19:49say, okay, well, 540, that's what it costs me.
- 19:52But I know that my value in three hours, someone can have a complete business
- 19:58strategy and they can be making money the next day.
- 20:03Therefore, for the level of quality I'm going to bring them,
- 20:07it's going to be more than that.
- 20:09If I'm hiring someone who's slightly junior, who it might take them a little
- 20:13longer to get to that finish line, maybe a little less gracefully than I might,
- 20:20I'm fine with that number.
- 20:23So you can't just devalue your level of experience because you can do something
- 20:28more efficient and quicker.
- 20:30You shouldn't charge less because it takes you less time to get there.
- 20:34They're paying for the quality of your experience and your knowledge level and
- 20:39the return on their investment is going to be way higher.
- 20:43So keep that in mind. There's that opportunity cost to them that's like,
- 20:49I get to be, I get Jamie's brain.
- 20:52Not the junior version of jamie but i
- 20:54get jamie's brain jamie's brain is divided
- 20:58amongst many things there's only so much time that you can have of my brain
- 21:04and therefore it's expensive that's again not a place of greed i need i have
- 21:13mouths to feed i have a family to feed and i also know
- 21:17my value.
- 21:19I 100% know because I've tested it.
- 21:24I'm not new to this. I know that when you sit down with me to do strategy,
- 21:29you're going to be able to implement things immediately.
- 21:32I'm not going to give you pie in the sky, dreamy things that you can't implement
- 21:37right away. That's part of my superpower.
- 21:39Like you want to make 10 bucks tomorrow? I'm,
- 21:42we'll make it. I mean, like, I know that's like a weird example,
- 21:47but I just think from zero to any amount of money is huge. If you've never made
- 21:51money in your business before, it's just so satisfying to think,
- 21:54oh, wow, I just made the first money in my business.
- 21:57It's so exciting. So if you need that momentum, we're going to get there really quickly.
- 22:03And that's because I know how to
- 22:06do it right and and that there's a
- 22:09value to that and I've never
- 22:12given it away for free I am starting to
- 22:15feel like there are opportunities that
- 22:19I want to where I want to barter and do a trade or
- 22:21build my network or or find some new opportunities
- 22:25and I am giving a little bit of time away but it's
- 22:28calculated time I'm not just willy-nilly I
- 22:31know how much time I have I kind of have my what's it
- 22:35called just that time that I've allotted in
- 22:38my schedule I'm giving away let's say
- 22:40three hours of time this month but it's
- 22:44in my plan if that makes sense so
- 22:48it's not that I think I need to get something back from that time
- 22:51it's just that I know my roster my
- 22:54paid roster is full if it wasn't full I
- 22:57wouldn't be able to give any time away but because I'm making
- 23:00the income I need to make and I did all my projections and
- 23:03I did all my sales and marketing to get to make
- 23:06sure that quarter two was a full roster it's
- 23:09full and so therefore I know exactly how much time I
- 23:12have and I want to try some.
- 23:15New things and so I'm trying them out and I'm
- 23:18not getting paid for it and I'm totally 100% fine
- 23:22with that because I'm making the conscious decision to
- 23:25spend some time I'm in the
- 23:28networking space and I'm not getting paid for it and I'm
- 23:32I love my reasons you can
- 23:35decide to do work for free you have
- 23:38to love your reasons if you're doing it because you don't
- 23:42know how to ask for money or you've never asked for money or
- 23:44you think you don't have enough experience or all the mindset games that you're
- 23:49all the reasons you're giving yourself it's it's greedy other people know this
- 23:54stuff there are so many other people people could work with it's so easy for
- 23:59me whatever the reasons are be open to questioning them.
- 24:04Asking why am I thinking that? Is it true? Is it a fact? Is there a story there?
- 24:10Is there something I need to unpack?
- 24:12Am I scared of something? Like just keep kind of digging in and asking the questions
- 24:17and then be calculated about how much time you're willing to give away.
- 24:21If you've been giving all your time away, then just dial it down to maybe two hours this month.
- 24:26I'll give two hours away and I'll know what the number is if someone comes to me for something else.
- 24:33If I know I'm going into a potential pitch, even if it's like first level,
- 24:38first meeting, I always go in with a number.
- 24:42I have an idea of what I think I can do to help that person.
- 24:45I do the numbers. I run the numbers. I know that number is 540.
- 24:50So I go into the meeting. I assess where they're at in the business.
- 24:56We throw some ideas around. I come back to them with a proposal.
- 25:01But if they ask me for a number right away. I have it.
- 25:04I'm not making it up. You don't always have to have a number.
- 25:08Like, well, you should always have a number. You should do the calculation.
- 25:12You don't always have to say that number in a first meeting.
- 25:16In a negotiation, it's good to hold back. But if you feel the need to,
- 25:21if you think that saying how much something costs is going to move something
- 25:25forward, I like to be transparent.
- 25:27And when I say 540, I know exactly where that number is coming from,
- 25:31it's really easy for me to talk about it, especially if it's someone who doesn't have a lot of money.
- 25:36Like, listen, we're going to do three hours together.
- 25:39I need three hours of time for prep, research, and to send you the recommendations document.
- 25:46Here's my at-cost number. I'm not inflating it. It's 540.
- 25:52Right? It's not a sale. I'm not trying to inflate some number just to get some random number.
- 25:58But it's all in context. If it's a one-on-one meeting, I'm totally comfortable with 540.
- 26:05If it's a me plus 10 people, that number is going to change.
- 26:10But I get to decide. I get to decide how much extra effort, how much extra time
- 26:15I think is going to be put in.
- 26:17There's also the pain in the ass cost factor, right?
- 26:20So if you're about to work with a client who you normally wouldn't work with
- 26:24because they're a huge pain in the ass or they need a lot of hand-holding,
- 26:28there's always that margin for pain in the ass clients.
- 26:33It's just a given.
- 26:35If someone's going to need a lot of help and a lot of assistance and a lot of
- 26:40guidance, and you have to go above
- 26:43and beyond an extra time that there's a cost. There's a cost to that.
- 26:48So the main thing I want to drive home here is it's not about just making up a number out of nowhere.
- 26:55Know where that number is coming from so that you can feel really grounded in that number.
- 27:00If you need to increase the number because you feel that value,
- 27:05the value you're going to bring is actually higher than what that number looks
- 27:09like on paper, that's okay too.
- 27:12Because you don't want to go into an engagement already resentful.
- 27:17Somehow money, I was laughing about this with a client the other day, money is a motivator.
- 27:24Money makes us feel good. Money makes us feel valued.
- 27:28Money makes us feel recognized for what we bring to an engagement.
- 27:33So if I look at 540, I will feel resentful.
- 27:39Sorry, that's just where I'm at. Sorry for people who don't have a lot of money.
- 27:45But 540 is not going to make me go above and beyond.
- 27:50Unless I really, really, really love your mission and I decide for the right
- 27:57reasons, because I love my reasons, that 540 is the number.
- 28:01But if I don't have all that passion and you're just another person that I want
- 28:08to help, that number might not be the number that makes me feel abundant and
- 28:13like I'm going to go all in on this person.
- 28:15And that's okay. Like you get to decide.
- 28:18You get to decide. It's your business.
- 28:21I don't think I'm greedy for wanting to ask for a number where I feel value.
- 28:28The reason why this number looks low to me, let me just get real granular about
- 28:33it. It's because I don't charge 70 bucks an hour. That's why.
- 28:36It seems low because my hourly rate is higher because if I was going to go into
- 28:42a full-time job, I know the number that I would be making and salary.
- 28:47And that's where I start.
- 28:49That's where my value starts. I know what that number is. And I kind of back
- 28:54into my hourly rate from there.
- 28:56So that's the context for that. If you love this number, if you love it, not like, oh, it's fine.
- 29:03Oh, it's better than what I normally ask for, which is zero.
- 29:07You want to love the number. So keep working on it.
- 29:12If you're looking at the math and you're like, I don't like that number,
- 29:16increase your hourly rate.
- 29:17If you think it feels too high, look at your hourly rate, but stay consistent.
- 29:22Don't charge one person $500 and another person $15,000.
- 29:26It just doesn't, you have to really, you have to love your number and stick with it.
- 29:31So if you're the kind of person who's like, that person has money,
- 29:34that person doesn't, let me change my pricing based on that. It's really unfair.
- 29:39It's unfair to the person you think has money who may not have money.
- 29:42So, and the person who you think doesn't have money might have a lot of money.
- 29:47Like, it's just a really weird way to price your services.
- 29:50So just do the math. What's your hourly rate? Set a rate.
- 29:55If it's a project, break down the rate and don't show them the hourly.
- 30:00Just give them that project rate based on how many hours you think it's going to take you.
- 30:05And then love your number. Love all the reasons for your number because then
- 30:09it doesn't feel like a sale.
- 30:11It feels like you want my help. Here's the problem I'm here to solve.
- 30:15I know you're going to see this X outcome over here, which is going to be amazing.
- 30:19You're going to have huge transformation. Here's the number.
- 30:22It's so easy for me to talk about my number because I've been with that number.
- 30:27We've been friends for a while, me and that number. I feel really good about
- 30:31it. There's no resentment about it.
- 30:33Sometimes I will discount that number, but I'll be really clear that like,
- 30:38this is the number, but I'm going to give you a special discount.
- 30:41I do that sometimes and I love my reasons, but they know what the number is.
- 30:46So if they come back or they refer me to someone, it's not a different number.
- 30:50It's not all over the board. It's very consistent.
- 30:53And yes, maybe next year that number will increase and it will be a fair increase.
- 31:00It's not going to be like this crazy 10 times increase just for the sake of doing it.
- 31:05And also sometimes when you're scaling, you might think, well,
- 31:08that number doesn't really meet the need of this elevated new way I'm going
- 31:15to service my clients, but I'm going to leave that number there for the people who need that number.
- 31:20And you can create an online experience or group experience.
- 31:25I'm obviously focusing on service industries here.
- 31:29But you can apply this kind of thinking also to products.
- 31:34But that's kind of the way I would look at a services business.
- 31:39So anyway, all that to be said, it's not greedy when you're running a business
- 31:45to charge money for your business.
- 31:48People are coming to you not expecting something for free. I don't go to the
- 31:52hairdresser and expect her to cut my hair for free.
- 31:55I don't go to the grocery store and expect them to give me food for free.
- 31:59Like this is a business. I've set it up like a business.
- 32:02Everybody knows I'm in business. They're not, I'm not a volunteer.
- 32:06They're not coming to me for volunteer hours.
- 32:09If I choose to volunteer, they'll know. I'm here to volunteer.
- 32:13I'm here pro bono. I'm here to do something and give my time.
- 32:17I do have mouths to feed. I don't feel bad about that. I don't feel bad about that.
- 32:22I don't want it to be weird for you to ask for money because you're running
- 32:28a business, let's coach on that. If you feel real discomfort around asking for
- 32:33money, that's the coaching gap.
- 32:35And I'm going to do a little more work on money in the next few weeks because
- 32:41I just think it's such, there's so much emotionality around it.
- 32:45But for now, I'm going to tone it down. I'm going to stop it here.
- 32:51Practice. If there's a service that you've been offering to people,
- 32:55practice putting a number behind it and asking for that number the more you
- 33:01do it the more comfortable you're gonna get and i guarantee that number will
- 33:05probably increase within the next six months so i'll leave it at that and i
- 33:12will talk to you next week.