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Cat and Mouse Games: True Cases of UFO-Car Chases · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I have
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Speaker 1: a very special episode for you today about a very
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Speaker 1: peculiar type of UFO encounter. These are UFO car chases.
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Speaker 1: So the title of today's episode is Cat and Mouse Games,
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Speaker 1: True Cases of UFO Car Chases. About three and a
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Speaker 1: half years ago, I did an episode like this called
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Speaker 1: UFOs Fast and Furious. UFO car encounters. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of cases like these, so many that I think they
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Speaker 1: actually deserve their own category. But what's really interesting is
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Speaker 1: that UFO researchers remain unsure why exactly these kinds of
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Speaker 1: cases take place. Is it a UFO display? Clearly it's intentional.
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Speaker 1: UFOs are wanting to be seen. But they really do
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Speaker 1: have a penchant for chasing cars down remote highways, usually
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Speaker 1: at night. So that's what this episode is about. I've
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Speaker 1: got 10 cases for you today, mostly from the United States,
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Speaker 1: one from Canada. But I'd really like to explore this
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Speaker 1: type of UFO behavior and try to figure out what's
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Speaker 1: going on here. So some of these cases are absolutely
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Speaker 1: mind-boggling and truly harrowing. I think you'll find it really interesting.
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Speaker 1: Let's get started. First case I want to talk about today,
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Speaker 1: I call, I was afraid to stop the car. This
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Speaker 1: occurred sometime in 1950, somewhere in Nevada. The exact location
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Speaker 1: is not known. And this case is relatively short, a
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Speaker 1: fairly typical example of a UFO car chase, but I
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Speaker 1: think a good introduction to this type of UFO encounter.
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Speaker 1: This first case comes from Grace Morgan, a resident of Austin, Minnesota,
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Speaker 1: who with her husband one evening in 1950 was taking
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Speaker 1: a drive through Nevada late at night. Her husband was
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Speaker 1: asleep in the house trailer behind the vehicle. And as
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Speaker 1: Grace says, she was driving through Nevada, again, exact location
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Speaker 1: not given, when a, quote, flying saucer or some sort
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Speaker 1: of unexplained light started following their car. And I'll just
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Speaker 1: quote Grace directly. As she says, it was about the
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Speaker 1: size of a basketball and it looked like a misty
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Speaker 1: sort of light. It had a three-foot tail. and would
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Speaker 1: disappear when it got to the radiator. It would come
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Speaker 1: up beside the car on the driver's side. Believe me,
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Speaker 1: it was weird. So this object followed their car for
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Speaker 1: a full half hour, 30 minutes. After 30 minutes, it left.
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Speaker 1: She told her husband about it the next day, and
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Speaker 1: he asked her why she hadn't awakened him. And as
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Speaker 1: she says, I told him I was afraid to stop
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Speaker 1: the car and wake him up. She did report it
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Speaker 1: to the Austin Herald newspaper where they lived. And they
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Speaker 1: did a brief write-up of the case. And it is
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Speaker 1: one of the earlier UFO car chases on record. Really
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Speaker 1: a fascinating case, considering how long it lasted for, how
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Speaker 1: close this object got to the car. If I were
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Speaker 1: the lady's husband, I too would be a little bit
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Speaker 1: mad that she didn't wake me up. But again, would
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Speaker 1: you stop the car on a lonely highway at night
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Speaker 1: if something like this was chasing you down the road? Maybe,
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Speaker 1: maybe not. but definitely a good introduction to this type
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Speaker 1: of encounter. And the next encounter is also quite brief,
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Speaker 1: but I wanted to include it because it does involve
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Speaker 1: multiple witnesses, two gentlemen who are both military officers, so
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Speaker 1: good observers, in a very interesting case of someone, again,
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Speaker 1: being followed down a remote highway late at night by
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Speaker 1: a UFO. This case was published in the September 16,
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Speaker 1: 1952 issue, of the Wichita, Kansas beacon. It was around 8.15 p.m.
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Speaker 1: on Monday, September 15, 1952, that two Wichita Air Force
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Speaker 1: base men, Sergeant Carlisle McClendon, age 30, and Sergeant William Muse,
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Speaker 1: age 25, were driving just south of Douglas, Kansas, on
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Speaker 1: their way to Wichita. And they said that this is
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Speaker 1: when they saw an oblong object resembling, quote, a large
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Speaker 1: dining table with a dome-like structure on top, which appeared
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Speaker 1: and began to pace their car. They estimated that this
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Speaker 1: object was about 30 to 40 feet long and 20
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Speaker 1: feet wide, pretty big, and in fact they saw that
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Speaker 1: it had portholes glowing with light, which were situated around
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Speaker 1: the dome. They were driving pretty slowly at about 20
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Speaker 1: miles per hour when this object appeared, and it easily
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Speaker 1: paced them at the same speed. gliding smoothly about 200
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Speaker 1: feet above the ground. After flying parallel to their car
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Speaker 1: for several minutes, they decided to stop the car. And
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Speaker 1: when they did, as if in response, this flying object
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Speaker 1: veered sharply towards them, streaked across the road about 200
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Speaker 1: feet in front of their car, and disappeared within a, quote,
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Speaker 1: split second. But they got a good view at it.
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Speaker 1: They could see it had no wings, no visible power source,
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Speaker 1: They said that the object made no noise that they
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Speaker 1: could hear. They did notice that it emitted orange-colored flames
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Speaker 1: and sparks, which seemed to stream behind it for some distance,
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Speaker 1: about 10 to 15 feet. So after it disappeared, the
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Speaker 1: two men drove straight into Douglas and stopped at a cafe.
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Speaker 1: And while eating there, they were surprised to hear a
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Speaker 1: man saying how he had just seen a strange object
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Speaker 1: streak across the sky. So apparently he saw the same
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Speaker 1: thing they did. They continued their drive to Wichita Air
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Speaker 1: Force Base, and the two sergeants reported their encounter to
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Speaker 1: their superiors at the base, and the story was released
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Speaker 1: to the press by Lieutenant William Robinson of the base
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Speaker 1: public information office. So there you go. We're just two
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Speaker 1: cases in, and we're already starting to see definite patterns
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Speaker 1: of how these craft are purposefully pacing cars down highways.
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Speaker 1: So I do think this is some kind of display.
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Speaker 1: It's clearly intentional. Perhaps these are just joyriding ETs having fun.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Any answer I think would be pure speculation.
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Speaker 1: But that's a good case because we have two military officers,
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Speaker 1: trained observers, and again there appears to be an outside witness.
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Speaker 1: So let's move to the next case, which I wanted
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Speaker 1: to include. because it involves a trucker. There's quite a
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Speaker 1: few cases of truckers reporting UFOs. This gentleman was paced
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Speaker 1: for quite some time by a very unusual looking UFO.
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Speaker 1: It was in the dark early morning hours of July 26, 1963,
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Speaker 1: as Jim Wheeler, a trucker for the ONC Motor Freight Company,
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Speaker 1: that's the Oregon, Nevada, California Motor Freight Company, he was
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Speaker 1: heading to Goldendale, Washington, when he was chased by a
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Speaker 1: very unusual-looking craft. He was heading along Highway 14, the
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Speaker 1: Lewis and Clark Highway, in his two-trailer truck, and he
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Speaker 1: was very close to the Maryhill Museum of Art, heading
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Speaker 1: up a very long hill, and this is when he
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Speaker 1: saw a strange flash of light in the mirror of
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Speaker 1: his truck. He assumed at first that it was the
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Speaker 1: lights of a car behind him, and didn't really pay
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Speaker 1: too much attention to it. Not at first. But then
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Speaker 1: there was another flash of light to his left, and
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Speaker 1: this is when he saw a huge saucer-shaped object emitting
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Speaker 1: brilliant eerie light and pacing his car about 1,000 feet
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Speaker 1: in the air along the top of a nearby ridge.
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Speaker 1: The object, he estimates, was about 35 to 50 feet across,
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Speaker 1: 20 feet thick, and its appearance was very unusual. He
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Speaker 1: said it looked as if it was built in a
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Speaker 1: series of rings, one on top of the other, but
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Speaker 1: each was a different color. The best way he could
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Speaker 1: describe it, he said, was as if it were made
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Speaker 1: of loops of fluorescent tubing, and each of them was
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Speaker 1: a different color, all the colors of the rainbow. Very odd.
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Speaker 1: He said this object followed his truck, pacing alongside it
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Speaker 1: for a full 20 minutes, or about 8 miles, and
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Speaker 1: it filled the interior of his cab with an eerie
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Speaker 1: blue light. He was about two-thirds of the way up
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Speaker 1: this very long hill, when the object seemed to tip
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Speaker 1: over on its side, and he could now see a
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Speaker 1: glowing white top section to the craft. This craft then
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Speaker 1: made a sharp turn to the right and disappeared over
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Speaker 1: a nearby hill in about 15 seconds. Jim Wheeler did
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Speaker 1: report his encounter to the Air Force in Portland, Oregon,
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Speaker 1: and as it turned out, there was another trucker about
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Speaker 1: one mile behind Jim Wheeler's truck who saw the entire incident.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever heard of a UFO
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Speaker 1: with that exact description, but then again, the variety of
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Speaker 1: craft is truly mind-boggling and almost impossible to categorize. It
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Speaker 1: does appear to have the typical saucer shape, but these
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Speaker 1: rings of colored light were truly different than what we
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Speaker 1: often hear. I also wonder what was in this gentleman's truck.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps that would be a clue as to why he
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Speaker 1: was being followed. Very glad he had another witness. A
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Speaker 1: really startling case. But now we're going to get to
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Speaker 1: some much more extensive encounters. In fact, this next case
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Speaker 1: generated national headlines. It was widely published in the newspapers
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Speaker 1: and is probably one of the most famous UFO car
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Speaker 1: chase on record. It's an absolutely astonishing case, which I call,
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Speaker 1: We Were Scared to Death. This occurred on August 4, 1963,
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Speaker 1: near the town of Keene, Illinois. It is a multiple
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Speaker 1: witness case, and in fact, there's a ton of witnesses.
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Speaker 1: There's some really interesting electromagnetic interference with the gentleman's vehicle.
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Speaker 1: And I think you'll just find this an absolutely mind-boggling
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Speaker 1: case of a UFO car chase. It was around 11 p.m.
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Speaker 1: on August 4, 1963, that 18-year-old Ronnie Austin and his
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Speaker 1: girlfriend Phyllis Bruce, also age 18, were returning from a
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Speaker 1: drive-in movie in Mount Vernon. to Ronnie's home in Keynes, Illinois.
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Speaker 1: The movie they had seen was The Great Escape. They
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Speaker 1: were driving a 1956 Ford Victoria and heading east along
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Speaker 1: Route 15 and were near Wayne City, near the airport,
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Speaker 1: when suddenly and without warning, a strange glowing craft appeared
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Speaker 1: and began to pace their car. At first, neither were alarmed,
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Speaker 1: and they just watched this strange light conversing about what
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Speaker 1: it might be. Ronnie told Phyllis, And she replied, So
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Speaker 1: he jokingly replied, This was just a joke, but soon
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Speaker 1: events began to escalate and Ronnie's joke took on a
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Speaker 1: new meaning when they realized that this object was actually
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Speaker 1: following them. And as Ronnie says, It was white and
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Speaker 1: round and about the size of an automobile. It just
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Speaker 1: soared along the treetops. We could tell it wasn't an airplane.
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Speaker 1: Every once in a while, it would swoop over toward
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Speaker 1: our car. I tried to get away, but when I'd
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Speaker 1: speed up, it would speed up. When I'd slow down,
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Speaker 1: it would slow down. I drove up to 120 miles
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Speaker 1: per hour, but it stayed right with us. We were
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Speaker 1: scared to death. Now that's pretty fast, but Ronnie's father does...
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Speaker 1: confirmed that that car was able to reach very high speeds. Now,
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Speaker 1: at time, the object's luminosity would change from white to white-yellow,
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Speaker 1: and as it swept over their car at a height
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Speaker 1: of about 50 to 100 feet, Ronnie and Phyllis could
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Speaker 1: feel a strange cool feeling. And when it did this,
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Speaker 1: the car engine would start to stall, and the radio, quote,
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Speaker 1: would go crazy. They could also hear a humming noise
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Speaker 1: coming from the object. Now this object followed them for
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Speaker 1: about 10 miles, all the way to their home in Keens, Illinois.
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Speaker 1: It was following them along the right side at one point,
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Speaker 1: which is the south side of the car, until about
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Speaker 1: 6 miles west of Orchardville Road, which is when the
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Speaker 1: object swooped over their car and then started following them
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Speaker 1: from the other side. Now arriving near Keens, Illinois, Ronnie
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Speaker 1: dropped off Phyllis at her home, and the object was
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Speaker 1: still visible just a short distance away. Phyllis's sister, Forestine,
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Speaker 1: came outside and she also saw it, at which point
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Speaker 1: the objects started to move closer. This scared all of them,
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Speaker 1: so they all dashed inside, turned out all the lights
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Speaker 1: in the house, and watched it from the window. It
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Speaker 1: remained there for about 15 minutes, when Ronnie finally decided
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Speaker 1: that he had better go home. He was still quite frightened,
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Speaker 1: this object was clearly following them, so he dashed to
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Speaker 1: his car and pulled away to head home, And immediately
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Speaker 1: the object began to follow him again. Now this panicked
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Speaker 1: Ronnie as it was clear the object was after him.
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Speaker 1: It was then that he floored the car, he says,
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Speaker 1: to about 120 miles per hour. The object then swooped
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Speaker 1: over his car again and would change from one side
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Speaker 1: of the road to the other. And as Ronnie says,
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Speaker 1: me or my car seemed to attract it. The object
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Speaker 1: seemed to exert some strange force on my car. Otherwise,
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Speaker 1: I would never have been able to make the turn.
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Speaker 1: It slowed me down at an unbelievable rate of speed.
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Speaker 1: Then the thing came straight toward me and hovered over
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Speaker 1: my car. My car engine started to miss. It wouldn't
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Speaker 1: hardly go. Finally the motor died. I didn't know what
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Speaker 1: was going to happen then. Then the light moved over
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Speaker 1: to the side of the highway and my car started.
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Speaker 1: I raced for home. So making it home Ronnie rushed
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Speaker 1: into the house in a state of near panic screaming
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Speaker 1: waking up the whole family saying that, quote, something had
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Speaker 1: chased him home. Ronnie's parents and his whole family thought
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Speaker 1: that he had gone mad. They didn't understand what was
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Speaker 1: happening because Ronnie was not able to verbalize things because
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Speaker 1: he was so darn frightened. In fact, Ronnie's father Orville
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Speaker 1: thought that perhaps a person was chasing him and he
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Speaker 1: rushed to get his gun. Ronnie told him that the
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Speaker 1: gun would do no good as it was an object
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Speaker 1: or a glowing object that was chasing him. So they
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Speaker 1: both rushed outside and they both saw this UFO and
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Speaker 1: immediately it started to come closer. So now both of
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Speaker 1: them are afraid, the whole family is. They slammed the
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Speaker 1: door closed, turned off all the lights in the house
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Speaker 1: and tried to call the police. Weirdly, the phone was
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Speaker 1: completely dead. After a few tries, however, it did suddenly
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Speaker 1: begin working again and Ronnie's father called the police to
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Speaker 1: report the UFO. It was now 12.25 a.m., so this
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Speaker 1: has gone on for almost an hour and a half.
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Speaker 1: Ronnie's grandmother, Miss Ebby Austin, couldn't believe how upset her
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Speaker 1: grandson was. As she said, That boy's about to have
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Speaker 1: a nervous breakdown. There's such a thing as a person
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Speaker 1: being scared to death. I'm worried about him. So the
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Speaker 1: whole family became very curious about what was happening, and
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Speaker 1: eventually they went outside, and they could still see this object.
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Speaker 1: Ronnie's sister, Roxy, saw it, and she said the object had, quote,
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Speaker 1: a white glow with some sort of an object projecting
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Speaker 1: from it. Ronnie's mother also saw it and was unable
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Speaker 1: to identify it, but she said it came far too
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Speaker 1: close to their home for comfort, and it concerned her
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Speaker 1: very much. Meanwhile, the family's dogs were barking and yelping
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Speaker 1: as if they sensed something wrong, and never stopped barking
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Speaker 1: the whole time this object was in view. More witnesses
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Speaker 1: started to gather, including their neighbors, Dwight Witherow and his wife,
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Speaker 1: who could see this bright object overhead. Mrs. Witherow said, quote,
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Speaker 1: it was ten times brighter than the moon and much
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Speaker 1: bigger than a star. More witnesses came. Two of the
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Speaker 1: witnesses were Chauncey Upoff and Mike Hill, and Chauncey said
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Speaker 1: the object, quote, swooped around with lightning speed. Eventually, more
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Speaker 1: than 25 people gathered to watch this object, which remained
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Speaker 1: visible until about 4 a.m. The police arrived, and they
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Speaker 1: also saw the object. One of them was Deputy Sheriff
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Speaker 1: Harvey Lee. He was very reluctant to call the object
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Speaker 1: a UFO, but he did say it appeared to him
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Speaker 1: as a large white star moving slowly south and ascending.
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Speaker 1: And as he said, It was different than anything I
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Speaker 1: ever saw. It was much bigger than a star. It
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Speaker 1: did not twinkle and seemed to be moving. I couldn't
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Speaker 1: make out any form to it except that of a
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Speaker 1: big round light. was moving upward into the southeast and
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Speaker 1: kept this general direction. Police radio operator Kenneth Talbert also
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Speaker 1: saw it, and to him, he said the object looked
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Speaker 1: almost cross-shaped. Now, it was just one week later that
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Speaker 1: officers from Project Blue Book came to the Austins' home
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Speaker 1: to interview Ronnie Austin directly. These included Lieutenant Colonel Robert J. Friend,
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Speaker 1: who was then the director of Project Blue Book, also
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Speaker 1: Sergeant Charles R. Sharp, and Captain Henry Quintanilla, who would
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Speaker 1: later become the director of Project Blue Book. For the
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Speaker 1: Austin family, these men took this case very seriously, interviewed
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Speaker 1: all of them in depth, and in fact, the officers
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Speaker 1: also inspected the car with a compass, and per the Austins,
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Speaker 1: they found unusual magnetic readings on this compass. Now in
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Speaker 1: the weeks that followed this incident, there was a huge
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Speaker 1: flurry of UFO sightings in the area, with dozens of
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Speaker 1: witnesses reporting UFOs for day after day. In fact, the
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Speaker 1: sightings became quite well known, and people began arriving in
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Speaker 1: crowds to view these strange lights, and many people said
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Speaker 1: they saw them. A few even reported being chased in
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Speaker 1: their cars. Now later, the Air Force did release a
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Speaker 1: statement explaining Ronnie's sighting away, saying it was a combination
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Speaker 1: of seeing the moon shrouded by fog, the planet Jupiter,
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Speaker 1: a fireball, and a jet refueling operation. I'm not even kidding.
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Speaker 1: That's what they said. Later, there were some accusations that
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Speaker 1: two former military men were setting off lighted balloons. This
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Speaker 1: was the explanation for Ronnie's encounter and the wave of sightings,
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Speaker 1: which is also patently ridiculous, considering... Ronnie's description and his
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Speaker 1: girlfriend's description of what happened to them. Now there is
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Speaker 1: a happy ending to all of this. Ronnie Austin and
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend Phyllis Bruce ended up getting married and they
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Speaker 1: lived happily ever after. I think that's an important case.
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Speaker 1: It's certainly one of my favorites in this compilation. Really
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Speaker 1: hard to deny. And how about the Air Force trying
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Speaker 1: to explain this away? as what the moon Jupiter a
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Speaker 1: refueling operation they bend over backwards to debunk these events
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Speaker 1: when which is really disingenuous because at this point I
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Speaker 1: believe that they were fully aware that these cases were
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Speaker 1: absolutely real and Again, it's a very common category of encounters.
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Speaker 1: I have to wonder, who was piloting that craft? Did
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Speaker 1: they know that they were scaring this poor young couple
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Speaker 1: half to death and following them for such a long
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Speaker 1: period of time, over miles and miles and miles? It's
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Speaker 1: really astonishing. Again, raises the question, why are they doing this? Well,
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Speaker 1: that's why I'm doing this episode, so hopefully we can
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Speaker 1: get some insight into that. Now let's move to the
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Speaker 1: next case, which I call chased for six miles. This
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Speaker 1: took place in February of 1967 in Orland, California. This
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Speaker 1: took place very late at night. That is a pattern
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Speaker 1: we see in cases like this. This involves three witnesses. Again,
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Speaker 1: a very long encounter. That's a pattern we often see.
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Speaker 1: I like this case because it was thoroughly researched by
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Speaker 1: an experienced investigator and again has some really unusual elements
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Speaker 1: to it, including possibly, very hard to say for sure,
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Speaker 1: but the presence of ETs looking out the windows. This
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Speaker 1: case comes from Northern California-based researcher Paul Cerny and was
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Speaker 1: published in the June 1973 Skylake Journal in an article
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Speaker 1: called The Stony Creek Bridge Car Chase. The three witnesses
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Speaker 1: were Ruth Phillips, age 54, Nita De Agio, age 23,
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Speaker 1: and Margarita Espinoza, age 21. They were all employees of
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Speaker 1: the Duche Nut Company, located in Orland, California. It was
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Speaker 1: around 2 a.m., one very, very early morning in February 1967,
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Speaker 1: as the three women left for work and were heading
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Speaker 1: to their homes in Hamilton City, This is about six
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Speaker 1: miles to the east. Margarita was driving. So they were
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Speaker 1: driving east on the California 13 Highway, and after only
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Speaker 1: a few minutes, on the outskirts of Orland, they were
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Speaker 1: traveling at about 55 miles per hour over Stony Creek Bridge.
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Speaker 1: Stony Creek is a tributary of the Sacramento River and
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Speaker 1: a source of sand and gravel for various companies. The
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Speaker 1: bridge is quite low, and it's about 1,000 feet long.
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Speaker 1: And just as they reached the end section of this bridge,
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Speaker 1: all three women heard a loud explosion and saw a
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Speaker 1: flash of brilliant white light. Ruth Phillips said the explosion
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Speaker 1: was somewhat similar to the pop of a champagne bottle
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Speaker 1: or the popping of a paper bag, except, of course,
22:47
Speaker 1: much louder. And immediately after this, they saw an elongated
22:51
Speaker 1: craft with a row of square portholes along the side
22:54
Speaker 1: rising upward from the sandy area and moving at a
22:57
Speaker 1: 45-degree angle heading in the same direction as their car.
23:02
Speaker 1: At this point, it was about, they estimate, a half
23:05
Speaker 1: mile away. But soon the object moved closer and began
23:09
Speaker 1: pacing their car at a distance, they estimate, of about
23:12
Speaker 1: a quarter mile. Ruth Phillips says it was cigar-shaped and
23:16
Speaker 1: reminded her a little bit of a submarine. It was
23:19
Speaker 1: clearly metallic, she said, dark in color, but difficult to
23:23
Speaker 1: distinguish clearly because the light coming from the row of
23:26
Speaker 1: portholes was so intensely bright bright enough that it hurt
23:30
Speaker 1: her eyes. She estimates that the object was about two
23:33
Speaker 1: to three times the size of their own vehicle. Now suddenly,
23:37
Speaker 1: at one point, the object veered so close to their
23:40
Speaker 1: car that the witnesses thought it might cross the road
23:43
Speaker 1: in front of their vehicle. But then it suddenly veered
23:46
Speaker 1: away and resumed following the car off to the side,
23:49
Speaker 1: again at a distance of about a quarter mile. And
23:52
Speaker 1: it repeated this maneuver twice more during this six-mile-long trip
23:57
Speaker 1: to Hamilton City. following them all the way to the city.
24:01
Speaker 1: Now they could hear no sound over the noise of
24:03
Speaker 1: their own car engine. As they approached Hamilton City, Margarita
24:08
Speaker 1: and Nita talked about seeing little men in the windows
24:11
Speaker 1: of the craft, but Ruth says she was sure that
24:14
Speaker 1: they must have been joking, because all she could see
24:17
Speaker 1: was the very, very bright light coming from the squarish windows.
24:22
Speaker 1: Now as they reached the edge of Hamilton City, the
24:24
Speaker 1: object suddenly zoomed upward, and headed in the direction of
24:28
Speaker 1: Sacramento at very high speed. It did not occur to
24:32
Speaker 1: the women to return to the location the next day
24:34
Speaker 1: where they had seen this craft rising from the ground.
24:37
Speaker 1: They didn't look for any evidence. In fact, none of
24:40
Speaker 1: the witnesses even talked about their experience for several years,
24:44
Speaker 1: mainly because they feared ridicule and disbelief. It wasn't until
24:48
Speaker 1: six years later that they were interviewed by Paul Cerny
24:52
Speaker 1: and shared their encounter. What I find most interesting about
24:56
Speaker 1: that particular case is that this object was rising up
24:59
Speaker 1: from what appears to be a gravel pit or a
25:01
Speaker 1: sand pit. Quite a few cases of UFOs showing interest
25:05
Speaker 1: in our geology, so perhaps that's a factor here. But
25:08
Speaker 1: then again, why did this craft follow these three women
25:13
Speaker 1: down the highway from one city to another for quite
25:16
Speaker 1: a long time? Again, this appears to be entirely intentional.
25:20
Speaker 1: I do wish that there was more verification on whether
25:23
Speaker 1: or not humanoids were seen. I'm leaning towards not, but again,
25:28
Speaker 1: without talking to the witnesses, it's very hard to say
25:31
Speaker 1: for sure. But definitely another addition to this very specific
25:36
Speaker 1: category of UFO encounters. So now let's move to the
25:40
Speaker 1: next case, which is so unusual, I just had to
25:43
Speaker 1: include it, even though it's a pretty brief incident. It
25:49
Speaker 1: has some details to it that I don't know that
25:52
Speaker 1: I've ever heard before. So I call this one, It
25:55
Speaker 1: Lit Up the Whole Car. This occurred on October 17, 1973,
26:00
Speaker 1: near Hazleton, Pennsylvania. It is a single witness case. Mostly,
26:05
Speaker 1: there is one corroborating witness. But again, so unusual. There's
26:10
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of detail to this account, but again,
26:13
Speaker 1: it's so unusual and somewhat alarming that I really felt
26:16
Speaker 1: it deserved inclusion. It appeared in the October 18, 1973
26:20
Speaker 1: issue of the Harrisburg Evening News. The witness is a
26:26
Speaker 1: man by the name of Edward H. Deutsch. He was
26:29
Speaker 1: 47 years old at the time of his encounter, a
26:32
Speaker 1: veteran of the Korean War, an ambulance driver, an orderly
26:36
Speaker 1: at Allentown General Hospital, and at the time of his encounter,
26:40
Speaker 1: an employee of the Mack Truck Plant in Allentown, Pennsylvania.
26:44
Speaker 1: It was on Wednesday, October 17, 1973. In the early
26:49
Speaker 1: morning hours, Edward was commuting the 70-mile-long drive from his
26:54
Speaker 1: home in Hazleton, Pennsylvania, to the Mack Truck Plant in Allentown.
26:59
Speaker 1: He was in a very rural, mountainous area. When he
27:02
Speaker 1: had his encounter with the unknown, suddenly a craft of
27:06
Speaker 1: some kind appeared overhead. And as Edward says, it was
27:11
Speaker 1: right above the car, going around and around. When it
27:14
Speaker 1: got to the top of the mountain, it lit up
27:17
Speaker 1: the whole car. And before I knew what happened, the
27:20
Speaker 1: car was turned around, and I was headed back home.
27:24
Speaker 1: It took me 10 minutes to figure out, actually, which
27:26
Speaker 1: way I was going. He says the object was about
27:29
Speaker 1: the size of a tractor, trailer, tire, and was flying
27:32
Speaker 1: at about treetop level. It stayed with him for about
27:36
Speaker 1: five minutes, and the encounter frightened him badly. He says
27:40
Speaker 1: that the body of his car was, quote, extremely hot
27:44
Speaker 1: following this encounter. He later spoke with a deer hunter
27:47
Speaker 1: in the area who apparently saw the same or similar
27:50
Speaker 1: UFO hovering overhead while two deer were walking across the road. Suddenly,
27:57
Speaker 1: according to this man, the two deer were, quote, projected backward.
28:02
Speaker 1: The man told Edward, I'm not going hunting today. I
28:06
Speaker 1: have to wonder if the witness, Edward Deutsch, in that case,
28:10
Speaker 1: perhaps had a much closer encounter Given that he was
28:14
Speaker 1: suddenly driving in a different direction, his whole car was
28:17
Speaker 1: turned around, perhaps this is a missing time encounter. Very
28:22
Speaker 1: hard to say for sure. But how unusual is that?
28:26
Speaker 1: Don't know that I've ever heard quite that description before.
28:30
Speaker 1: Also interesting is that he met another gentleman who apparently
28:33
Speaker 1: had a very similar encounter in the same area around
28:36
Speaker 1: the same time. Definitely makes you wonder. Okay, now let's
28:41
Speaker 1: get to the next case. And it was this case
28:44
Speaker 1: that really inspired me to do this episode. This has
28:47
Speaker 1: got to be one of the most harrowing, unusual UFO
28:51
Speaker 1: car chase encounters I've ever heard. It is a multiple
28:55
Speaker 1: witness case. It's very well verified. It's one, apparently, of
28:59
Speaker 1: a series of similar incidents that took place in the
29:03
Speaker 1: same area at the same time. I call this one,
29:07
Speaker 1: We Went So Fast the Radiator Cap Blew Off. This
29:11
Speaker 1: occurred on November 8, 1973, outside of Ottawa in Ontario, Canada.
29:18
Speaker 1: And after you hear this case, I think you'll agree
29:21
Speaker 1: why this is an important case and really deserves more attention.
29:25
Speaker 1: Perhaps the most harrowing and frightening UFO car chase in
29:29
Speaker 1: this episode is what happened to Rick and Donna Bouchard
29:33
Speaker 1: and their three young children. This case was published in
29:36
Speaker 1: newspapers and later in the Volume 3, No. 2019, 1975
29:40
Speaker 1: issue of the Canadian UFO Report. It was about 10.40 p.m.
29:46
Speaker 1: on November 8, 1973, as the Bouchard family traveled along
29:51
Speaker 1: Highway 417. This is the Trans-Canada Highway. They were between Vars,
29:57
Speaker 1: where they had just bought a new home, and Ottawa.
30:01
Speaker 1: Vars is located about 15 miles east of Ottawa. This
30:05
Speaker 1: section of highway was newly constructed and not yet complete,
30:09
Speaker 1: so at that time it was not well traveled, almost deserted.
30:14
Speaker 1: The family entered the highway at the Vars entrance and
30:17
Speaker 1: began to head west towards Ottawa. They were driving a
30:20
Speaker 1: pickup truck. Their view through the rear view mirror was
30:24
Speaker 1: obscured by a tarpaulin but they could see behind them
30:27
Speaker 1: through both side mirrors. They had traveled about two and
30:31
Speaker 1: a half miles when Rick suddenly noticed a brilliantly lit
30:35
Speaker 1: craft of some kind directly behind their truck. Now he
30:40
Speaker 1: thought that perhaps a truck had suddenly caught up with
30:43
Speaker 1: them on the deserted straight highway, but this made no
30:46
Speaker 1: sense because the lights appeared so suddenly. And also weird,
30:51
Speaker 1: was that they could both see a large number of
30:53
Speaker 1: small lights seemingly rotating and, quote, bouncing up and down
30:58
Speaker 1: on whatever it was behind them. And this object was
31:01
Speaker 1: large enough that it protruded a couple of feet on
31:04
Speaker 1: both sides of the truck, and it appeared to be
31:07
Speaker 1: so close to them that it looked like it was, quote,
31:11
Speaker 1: hanging on the rear bumper. And I'll just let Donna
31:15
Speaker 1: explain what happened next. As she says, Rick saw some
31:18
Speaker 1: lights in his rearview mirror. The light appeared to be
31:22
Speaker 1: at hydropole height, this is 40 feet, and because the
31:25
Speaker 1: lights were spinning, I could not make out what it was.
31:29
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, it dove at the back of
31:31
Speaker 1: the truck. I told Rick to step on it. We
31:34
Speaker 1: were being chased by something. Rick got the truck up
31:38
Speaker 1: to 100 miles per hour, but the object stayed right
31:41
Speaker 1: behind the truck. The object wobbled from side to side,
31:45
Speaker 1: and the lights around the bottom spun around the object.
31:49
Speaker 1: the object seemed to touch the truck at one point. Now,
31:53
Speaker 1: she couldn't confirm this, but that's what it looked like
31:55
Speaker 1: to her. And after a few moments of it being
31:58
Speaker 1: right on their tail, the object suddenly rose back up
32:01
Speaker 1: to treetop level, out of view of the rearview mirrors,
32:04
Speaker 1: but immediately dove back down again, closing into a distance
32:08
Speaker 1: of about 10 to 15 feet, they estimate. And while
32:12
Speaker 1: racing at about 95 to 100 miles per hour, Rick
32:16
Speaker 1: screamed to his wife Donna to grab the axe which
32:18
Speaker 1: they had stowed under the seat just in case they
32:21
Speaker 1: needed to defend themselves. Now the young children in the
32:25
Speaker 1: back seat couldn't see the object but became terribly frightened
32:29
Speaker 1: by the fear their parents were displaying. Donna was now
32:33
Speaker 1: able to get a much better view of the object.
32:36
Speaker 1: As she says, the object appeared to be a drab
32:40
Speaker 1: gold in color or a smoky gray. It was hard
32:43
Speaker 1: to discern Because of the brightness of the lights, it
32:46
Speaker 1: had a single dome which had a very fine weaved
32:50
Speaker 1: finish to it, and it appeared to be made out
32:52
Speaker 1: of metal. The bottom of the object, where the spinning
32:56
Speaker 1: lights were, protruded slightly. The object was about 10 to
33:00
Speaker 1: 12 feet wide and 8 feet high. The object backed
33:04
Speaker 1: off twice, once during the chase and at the end
33:08
Speaker 1: of the chase. The first time, it pulled back to
33:11
Speaker 1: hydropole height again and into the bush that ran along
33:14
Speaker 1: the highway. It was gone only a matter of seconds
33:17
Speaker 1: when it appeared behind us again. It came down at
33:20
Speaker 1: us again at a fantastic speed, as if it was
33:24
Speaker 1: coming down a steep hill. Now Rink estimates that it
33:27
Speaker 1: was diving down at them from above at a speed
33:30
Speaker 1: of about 300 miles per hour. And as he says,
33:33
Speaker 1: we went so fast that the radiator cap came off.
33:37
Speaker 1: Now during this chase, which was about eight or nine
33:41
Speaker 1: miles long, They did see two other cars traveling in
33:44
Speaker 1: the opposite direction, but this highway was separated by a
33:48
Speaker 1: very wide grassy median. Rick honked his horn furiously, trying
33:53
Speaker 1: to capture the attention of the people in the other cars,
33:57
Speaker 1: but neither car made any reaction to the honking or
34:00
Speaker 1: the presence of the UFO that was chasing the Bouchards.
34:03
Speaker 1: There are five overpasses that cross over the highway on
34:07
Speaker 1: the way to Ottawa, and when they reach the Anderson
34:10
Speaker 1: Road overpass, they were shocked to see that this object
34:14
Speaker 1: actually went under the bridge. This overpass is only 15
34:18
Speaker 1: feet high. As Donna says, it stayed behind us all
34:23
Speaker 1: the way into town. The object followed us right under
34:26
Speaker 1: the Anderson Road overpass. It lit up the highway when
34:30
Speaker 1: it went under. So they were now reaching the outskirts
34:33
Speaker 1: of Ottawa, and just after going under the Anderson Road overpass,
34:38
Speaker 1: the last one before the highway ended, the UFO disappeared.
34:42
Speaker 1: They did not see where it went. But still frightened
34:45
Speaker 1: and expecting the UFO to return, Rick kept driving at
34:48
Speaker 1: full speed. Rick negotiated a high-speed turn onto Russell Road,
34:53
Speaker 1: which at the time connected to the highway and began
34:55
Speaker 1: to head into Ottawa. Both Rick and Donna felt that
34:59
Speaker 1: this was miraculous because this was a sharp right turn.
35:03
Speaker 1: They can't explain how they were able to make this
35:05
Speaker 1: turn at such high speed. At any rate, they soon
35:09
Speaker 1: came upon a police car They immediately got out of
35:12
Speaker 1: the car and reported their encounter. The policeman did notice
35:16
Speaker 1: the frightened state of the Bouchards. This was a fact
35:19
Speaker 1: which was later confirmed by researcher Arthur Bray. The police
35:24
Speaker 1: immediately sent two patrol cars to Highway 417, but neither
35:28
Speaker 1: of them saw anything unusual. Meanwhile, Rick drove straight to
35:33
Speaker 1: Montfort Hospital to get help for their state of nervous shock.
35:37
Speaker 1: And the nurse on duty also confirmed this and said
35:40
Speaker 1: that the Bouchards were, quote, very shaken up, very upset,
35:44
Speaker 1: and very pale. The Bouchards then went to their home
35:47
Speaker 1: in Ottawa. Rick called his friend Ron Hamlin and told
35:51
Speaker 1: him what happened. So Ron came directly over with his
35:54
Speaker 1: girlfriend and verified their shaken up state. In fact, the
35:58
Speaker 1: Bouchards' three young children were so upset, they refused to
36:01
Speaker 1: sleep alone or with the lights off. By this time,
36:04
Speaker 1: a few hours had passed. Nevertheless, Ron and his girlfriend
36:08
Speaker 1: decided to drive to the area, heading eastbound on Highway
36:12
Speaker 1: 417 towards Vars, to check to see if they could
36:16
Speaker 1: find anything. And to their amazement, they did see a
36:20
Speaker 1: huge white light about 400 feet behind them, taking up
36:24
Speaker 1: both lanes of the eastbound road, and it followed them.
36:28
Speaker 1: It never got any closer, and before long it disappeared.
36:31
Speaker 1: But like Rick Bouchard, he reported it to the police.
36:35
Speaker 1: The police told both Rick Bouchard and Ron Hamlin that
36:38
Speaker 1: they had already received similar reports. And in further confirmation,
36:43
Speaker 1: it was just three weeks later on December 1st, 1973,
36:47
Speaker 1: that a woman by the name of Nora LaRocque said
36:51
Speaker 1: that she was driving eastbound on the same exact stretch
36:54
Speaker 1: of highway and says that she was followed by a
36:56
Speaker 1: huge white light with a small red light on top
37:00
Speaker 1: She stopped her car a couple of times to see
37:03
Speaker 1: if the object would approach any closer, but every time
37:06
Speaker 1: she stopped, so did the glowing object. And finally, she
37:09
Speaker 1: says it just, quote, disappeared. Now, per researcher Arthur Bray,
37:14
Speaker 1: there were several other similar reports in the area at
37:17
Speaker 1: that time. And as he says, a number of others
37:21
Speaker 1: had frightening experiences with huge weird lights along this road
37:25
Speaker 1: during a short period of several weeks. Something, whatever it is,
37:30
Speaker 1: has a strange interest in this area. Thorough investigation, including
37:35
Speaker 1: in-depth interviews with the witnesses, failed to disclose any explanation
37:40
Speaker 1: to account for these incidents. Several months of investigation forced
37:44
Speaker 1: me to leave the Bouchard's experience, as well as the
37:47
Speaker 1: many others on the same stretch of road, in the
37:51
Speaker 1: unidentified category. Meanwhile, following this encounter, the Bouchard's refused to
37:57
Speaker 1: travel that stretch of road at night Unless, of course,
38:00
Speaker 1: it's an emergency. That is just crazy. I mean, why
38:04
Speaker 1: in the world would a UFO follow this car that
38:08
Speaker 1: closely for so long? Can you imagine so low above
38:12
Speaker 1: the car that it actually went under the overpass? That's amazing.
38:17
Speaker 1: There was another detail that I found quite interesting. In
38:20
Speaker 1: the above Ronnie Austin case, he described going around a
38:24
Speaker 1: right-hand corner at such a speed that he was surprised
38:28
Speaker 1: his car didn't tip over, and he felt that the
38:31
Speaker 1: UFO was exerting some sort of force on his car. Well,
38:35
Speaker 1: in this case, the Bouchards described exactly the same thing.
38:40
Speaker 1: So there's something very curious going on here. Again, you
38:45
Speaker 1: really have to ask yourself, why are the UFO occupants
38:49
Speaker 1: chasing cars down the highway like this? It's one thing
38:52
Speaker 1: to see a UFO while you're driving late at night,
38:55
Speaker 1: but to be chased down the highway for such a
38:58
Speaker 1: long period, and that UFO being so close to the car.
39:02
Speaker 1: Really amazing. All right, now I want to move to
39:06
Speaker 1: another case. We're going to Texas now. I call this
39:10
Speaker 1: next case, It Was Following Us. This one occurred on
39:14
Speaker 1: November 18, 1973, in Rosebud, Texas. By the way, this
39:16
Speaker 1: is during a huge, wave of UFO sightings that were
39:23
Speaker 1: sweeping across the United States. So this is clearly part
39:28
Speaker 1: of that wave. This is another fairly scary encounter involving
39:35
Speaker 1: two ladies and their kids. So a car filled with
39:40
Speaker 1: people and this UFO appears and gave them quite a scare.
39:45
Speaker 1: It was around 8.15 p.m. on November 20, 1973. as
39:49
Speaker 1: Faye Seeley, her two sons Richard, age 13, and Russell,
39:54
Speaker 1: age 8, and her friend Faye Heilman and her son Richard,
39:59
Speaker 1: age 7, were all driving in one car from Buffalo, Texas,
40:03
Speaker 1: to their homes in the small town of Rosebud, Texas.
40:07
Speaker 1: They were heading westbound on Highway 14 near Bremond, Texas,
40:11
Speaker 1: when they first saw a bright star-like object. But they
40:14
Speaker 1: soon realized that it was not a star when it
40:17
Speaker 1: began to brighten and dim. And as Faye Heilman says,
40:22
Speaker 1: I said nothing about it because I thought it was
40:24
Speaker 1: a helicopter. I first told the others about it when
40:27
Speaker 1: we were on the highway between Bremen and State 6.
40:32
Speaker 1: They all began watching it then. It was when we
40:34
Speaker 1: turned from State 6 onto 1373 that we really noticed
40:39
Speaker 1: something was really happening. Because first it was on our
40:42
Speaker 1: left side, then quicker than the eye could see, it
40:45
Speaker 1: was on our right. Now Faye Seeley's son Richard said,
40:49
Speaker 1: It was following us, but I did not say much
40:52
Speaker 1: about it. I knew that my mama was worried, and
40:55
Speaker 1: I was scared myself. And his mom, Faye Seeley, says,
40:59
Speaker 1: It was so quick. I didn't see it move. It
41:02
Speaker 1: was on the left side of the car one second,
41:04
Speaker 1: and on the right side the next. So naturally, this
41:06
Speaker 1: caused some worry among the two women. The object's shape
41:10
Speaker 1: was very difficult for them to discern. As her son
41:14
Speaker 1: Richard says, It was pointed on top. Faye Heilman says,
41:19
Speaker 1: was sort of round and had a point on top
41:21
Speaker 1: and two on the bottom. When it would be bright,
41:24
Speaker 1: I could not see the points too well. And there
41:27
Speaker 1: were the shadows it cast when it was just over
41:29
Speaker 1: the highway. So at one point the object dimmed and
41:32
Speaker 1: seemed to disappear. They turned north on Highway 6, then
41:36
Speaker 1: west on Highway 1373, and still it followed. Now Highway
41:40
Speaker 1: 1373 quickly becomes Highway 413 just before it crosses the
41:46
Speaker 1: Brazos River. And they were about to cross this bridge
41:50
Speaker 1: over the Brazos River when the light appeared again. A. Seeley, again,
41:54
Speaker 1: she was driving. She slowed the car down. And she says,
41:58
Speaker 1: It came down to about two car lengths off the
42:01
Speaker 1: ground and just sat there like it was daring us
42:04
Speaker 1: to come closer. I saw that the thing was going
42:07
Speaker 1: to land in front of us on the highway. It
42:09
Speaker 1: never did land, but was about treetop high and was
42:12
Speaker 1: blocking my way. Now Faye decided not to take the dare.
42:17
Speaker 1: She quickly pulled a U-turn and headed westbound away from
42:20
Speaker 1: their homes in Rosebud. And as Faye says, I rolled
42:24
Speaker 1: that car around and got out of there as fast
42:26
Speaker 1: as I could, but it was still right there all
42:29
Speaker 1: the time. I just do not believe that thing would
42:32
Speaker 1: have let me drive on any farther. I just know
42:35
Speaker 1: that the thing would not have let me go by.
42:37
Speaker 1: Now Faye Heilman says, It rose back into the air
42:41
Speaker 1: a little distance and began to follow. It came quickly
42:44
Speaker 1: for a while, as if trying to catch up. But
42:47
Speaker 1: when we saw the light of a car up ahead,
42:49
Speaker 1: it just slowed and followed. Now, the witnesses continued to
42:53
Speaker 1: flee this light and headed back towards Highway 6 near Reagan, Texas.
42:58
Speaker 1: And about this time, they finally caught up with this
43:01
Speaker 1: other car, which turned out to be a good thing.
43:04
Speaker 1: Because as Faye Heilman says, when we caught up with
43:07
Speaker 1: the other car, the light from the object dimmed and
43:10
Speaker 1: it went straight up and out of sight. Faye Seeley
43:13
Speaker 1: confirms this and says, the thing just seemed to lift
43:15
Speaker 1: up and disappear. Now later, they learned that another motorist
43:19
Speaker 1: said that he was also followed in his car along
43:22
Speaker 1: State Route 6 from Reagan to Marlin Route. And in
43:26
Speaker 1: further confirmation, others in the area reported UFOs around the
43:31
Speaker 1: same time. John Kilgore, who was the owner, editor, publisher,
43:35
Speaker 1: and writer of the Rosebud News, wrote an article called
43:40
Speaker 1: UFO Sighted on FM413, Followed Car for Miles, which presented
43:45
Speaker 1: the sighting by the Seelies and the Heilmans. And he
43:48
Speaker 1: then added in his article, Four of us Kilgores were
43:52
Speaker 1: riding along this highway about 8 p.m. Sunday. Off towards
43:56
Speaker 1: the south was a star-like object that would glow a bit,
43:59
Speaker 1: then get dimmer. But it seemed a long way off.
44:01
Speaker 1: He also presented two other cases, including the motorist who
44:04
Speaker 1: said he was followed, and he added, Is there such
44:08
Speaker 1: a thing? Some say yes, I believe it. Others just
44:11
Speaker 1: laugh when told the story. Should anyone in the area
44:15
Speaker 1: see another such UFO, they are urged to contact this
44:18
Speaker 1: rider in Rosebud any time of the day or night. Now,
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Speaker 1: following the encounter with Faye Seeley and Faye Heilman and
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Speaker 1: their kids, they went to the police and reported the
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Speaker 1: event to highway patrolmen Marvin Pavelka and Gary Johnson, who
44:34
Speaker 1: investigated the case. All the witnesses admit that they were
44:37
Speaker 1: very frightened by what they had seen. And as Faye
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Speaker 1: Seeley says, I did not sleep last night, and I
44:44
Speaker 1: may not sleep any tonight. It chased us, and we
44:47
Speaker 1: were scared, and our boys were scared. This is just
44:50
Speaker 1: too much. I know that people are just going to
44:53
Speaker 1: laugh at us. It is something you read in the
44:55
Speaker 1: papers and laugh at yourself. But our children saw it too,
44:59
Speaker 1: and we are still all scared. I have to wonder
45:03
Speaker 1: what would have happened if Faye Seeley, who was driving
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Speaker 1: the car, hadn't stopped and pulled a U-turn. Perhaps this
45:10
Speaker 1: would have been a much more extensive encounter. Again, almost
45:14
Speaker 1: impossible to answer. But what's so interesting is that this
45:18
Speaker 1: UFO did follow their car for a long time and
45:22
Speaker 1: continued to follow them after they turned around. So what's
45:26
Speaker 1: going on there? Again, we do see a pattern where
45:30
Speaker 1: this is an encounter that occurred during a fairly active
45:34
Speaker 1: UFO wave in the area. Also interesting is that they
45:38
Speaker 1: weren't the only one who reported being chased down the
45:41
Speaker 1: highway by a UFO. Again, it's very clear that UFOs
45:45
Speaker 1: sometimes have a penchant for chasing cars down highways. So
45:50
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, again, I've already mentioned this, but I think
45:54
Speaker 1: it bears repeating that these are UFO displays, and that
45:57
Speaker 1: perhaps the motive behind this is that ETs are just
46:01
Speaker 1: trying to announce their presence in a way that's absolutely undeniable.
46:06
Speaker 1: It certainly was undeniable for those witnesses. All right, now
46:11
Speaker 1: let's move to another case. The witnesses in this case
46:15
Speaker 1: are anonymous, a mother and daughter who did not want
46:18
Speaker 1: their name used. It's a fairly benign case. They really
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Speaker 1: didn't feel fear, which is unusual for these types of encounters.
46:26
Speaker 1: So I call this one Too Bright to See the Highway.
46:30
Speaker 1: This occurred on December 1st, 1973 in Sugar Grove, Ohio.
46:36
Speaker 1: This was at the tail end of the 1973 wave
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Speaker 1: of sightings, apparently part of this whole conglomerate of sightings,
46:45
Speaker 1: but an interesting example of a UFO car chase because
46:49
Speaker 1: it lasted for a very long time. This case comes
46:52
Speaker 1: from the February 1974 issue of the Skylook Monthly Journal
46:56
Speaker 1: and was investigated by researcher Jerry Wilhelm of the Ohio
47:01
Speaker 1: UFO Investigators League. It involves two witnesses, an anonymous lady
47:06
Speaker 1: and her 13-year-old daughter. It was around 7 p.m. on
47:09
Speaker 1: December 1, 1973, that the mother and daughter were driving
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Speaker 1: a Buick along Route 33 near Sugar Grove, Ohio, when
47:19
Speaker 1: the daughter noticed strange lights in the sky. She pointed
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Speaker 1: it out to her mother. Now, both mother and daughter
47:26
Speaker 1: assumed at first that this was a helicopter, but then
47:29
Speaker 1: the object began to descend toward their car, circling to
47:33
Speaker 1: the left, before coming alongside the vehicle and cruising at
47:37
Speaker 1: 35 mph alongside them. They could now see that this
47:40
Speaker 1: craft was actually cigar-shaped, shiny silver, with a green light
47:45
Speaker 1: at one end and a red light at the other
47:47
Speaker 1: and a pulsating white light in the center. This central
47:51
Speaker 1: white light shone a beam of light directly into their car,
47:55
Speaker 1: which became so bright that they had trouble even seeing
47:59
Speaker 1: the highway. Neither were frightened, but the mother says her
48:03
Speaker 1: heart raced with excitement, and she had this weird feeling
48:07
Speaker 1: that it was recording them or taking photographs. This object
48:11
Speaker 1: followed their car like this for 15 minutes, all the
48:15
Speaker 1: while keeping this bright white light on their car. The
48:18
Speaker 1: object was totally silent as far as they could hear
48:21
Speaker 1: and was at least as large as their Buick. Finally,
48:25
Speaker 1: after 15 minutes, the light went off, but this strange
48:29
Speaker 1: object continued to pace their car for, get this, another
48:32
Speaker 1: 45 additional minutes. Finally, after a full hour of this
48:38
Speaker 1: car chase, the object suddenly darted across the median of
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Speaker 1: the divided highway, headed straight back for her car, then
48:46
Speaker 1: abruptly pulled up and ascended into the sky. Again, neither
48:50
Speaker 1: witness said that they felt any fear. Instead, both mother
48:54
Speaker 1: and daughter said that they were, quote, giddy, happy, and
48:57
Speaker 1: thrilled to have such an incredible close encounter with a UFO.
49:01
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating that this mother-daughter duo had no
49:05
Speaker 1: fear during their encounter, which is quite unusual for UFO
49:09
Speaker 1: car chases. Especially interesting because, yeah, it lasted an hour.
49:14
Speaker 1: That's a long time. Though, again, this is a pattern
49:17
Speaker 1: we'd see in the UFO car chases. There were you know,
49:20
Speaker 1: just a minute or two. Sometimes they are. But I'd
49:24
Speaker 1: say most of them last for longer than that, which
49:29
Speaker 1: is another curious aspect and a curious pattern to these
49:33
Speaker 1: types of encounters. So we're beginning to get a better
49:38
Speaker 1: picture of what's going on here, I think. All right,
49:41
Speaker 1: let's move to the last and final case in this episode,
49:45
Speaker 1: which I call, I've never seen anything like it in
49:49
Speaker 1: my life. This one occurred on February 18, 1976 in Gadsden, Alabama.
49:56
Speaker 1: And what's so interesting about this case is that it
49:59
Speaker 1: involves two witnesses who saw not one, not two, or three,
50:04
Speaker 1: or four UFOs, but five UFOs, which chased them all
50:08
Speaker 1: the way to their home in Talladega, Alabama. Also interesting
50:14
Speaker 1: is that there were a lot of other people seeing
50:18
Speaker 1: UFOs in the area at that same time. So again,
50:21
Speaker 1: this is the pattern we see, these cases occurring during
50:25
Speaker 1: a wave of sightings. This astonishing case first appeared in
50:29
Speaker 1: February 20, 1976, Talladega, Sylacauga, Alabama Daily Home newspaper in
50:37
Speaker 1: an article by Jerry Harris titled, Women Chased by UFO.
50:42
Speaker 1: The two witnesses are Charlotte Staples and Geneva Carruth, both
50:47
Speaker 1: employees of the E.H. Gentry Special Technical Facility for the
50:51
Speaker 1: Deaf and Blind in Talladega. They were described by their
50:55
Speaker 1: superiors as, quote, sober, respectable individuals who don't tell tall
51:01
Speaker 1: tales like this unless there's something to it. Charlotte is
51:05
Speaker 1: a teacher and an interpreter for deaf and blind students.
51:08
Speaker 1: It was around 8.30 p.m. on February 18, 1976 that
51:13
Speaker 1: they drove southbound on Highway 77, not far from East Aboga,
51:18
Speaker 1: heading towards their homes in Talladega. And as Charlotte says,
51:23
Speaker 1: we were on our way home from Gadsden and were
51:26
Speaker 1: riding along, talking, when I saw this light over to
51:29
Speaker 1: my left, in the woods, kind of, real close to
51:32
Speaker 1: the road. I wouldn't have thought anything about it except
51:35
Speaker 1: for its color. I've never seen anything like it before
51:39
Speaker 1: in my life. It was about the size of a
51:41
Speaker 1: number three wash tub, oval shaped, and was an orange
51:45
Speaker 1: color that didn't scatter like regular light does. Now Geneva
51:49
Speaker 1: saw it too, obviously, and she wondered briefly if it
51:52
Speaker 1: might be the lights from some sort of factory plant. Charlotte,
51:55
Speaker 1: who was driving, slowed the car down and looked through
51:58
Speaker 1: her rear view mirror. and she could see this strange
52:01
Speaker 1: glow in the sky. Taking a closer look, both Geneva
52:05
Speaker 1: and Charlotte saw another object, which was about six to
52:08
Speaker 1: eight feet just above the other one. And as Charlotte said, Then,
52:14
Speaker 1: while we were looking, two more appeared. They didn't come
52:17
Speaker 1: from the sky or from the ground. They just popped
52:20
Speaker 1: up in front of us, like a light switch was
52:22
Speaker 1: turned on. We weren't scared then, but they glided out
52:26
Speaker 1: to the highway and started coming towards us. They got
52:29
Speaker 1: within 200 to 300 feet from us and were coming
52:32
Speaker 1: straight toward the car. By this time, there were five
52:35
Speaker 1: of them in all. We got scared and took off
52:38
Speaker 1: real fast. So Geneva, the passenger, was watching in fear
52:43
Speaker 1: as these objects hovered directly over the car, then moved
52:46
Speaker 1: alongside the car, and eventually moved in front of the car. Meanwhile,
52:50
Speaker 1: Charlotte had increased her speed up to 80 miles per hour.
52:55
Speaker 1: And as Geneva says, I kept trying to laugh it off.
52:59
Speaker 1: to rationalize and console Charlotte until those things started hovering
53:02
Speaker 1: around the car like that. There wasn't another car on
53:05
Speaker 1: the road either. I'm telling you, we were just scared
53:08
Speaker 1: to death there for a minute. I've never seen anything
53:12
Speaker 1: like it in my life. Whatever they were, I honestly
53:15
Speaker 1: feel like they were trying to catch us. And I'm
53:17
Speaker 1: telling you the honest truth. When we couldn't see them,
53:20
Speaker 1: we could still tell where they were because the sky
53:23
Speaker 1: in the area around the car stayed lit up the
53:25
Speaker 1: whole time. Now they did have a CB radio in
53:28
Speaker 1: the car, but when Charlotte tried to use it, it
53:31
Speaker 1: was totally dead. And as she says, it was weird.
53:35
Speaker 1: There was nothing on the radio at all. I mean,
53:38
Speaker 1: those things have static and noise going on all the time,
53:41
Speaker 1: and you can monitor other people talking constantly, but we
53:45
Speaker 1: couldn't pick up anybody. Now at this point, both were
53:48
Speaker 1: absolutely certain that these objects were not planes, helicopters, or
53:52
Speaker 1: any conventional aircraft as they were totally silent as far
53:56
Speaker 1: as they could hear and were, quote, flying too low
53:59
Speaker 1: and close to be regular aircraft. By now, they had
54:02
Speaker 1: traveled several miles and still the objects remained with them
54:06
Speaker 1: the whole time. As Charlotte says, they were never higher
54:10
Speaker 1: than the treetops and they followed the car so close
54:13
Speaker 1: that when we made a turn at a curve or something,
54:16
Speaker 1: they turned right along with us. It was big and round,
54:19
Speaker 1: and it just floated over the treetops. So after about
54:23
Speaker 1: a half hour and 18 miles of this, they were
54:26
Speaker 1: now leaving the Lincoln City limits, and this is when
54:29
Speaker 1: the objects, quote, just disappeared. Charlotte and Geneva went straight
54:34
Speaker 1: to the police, but were unable to convince the police
54:37
Speaker 1: that they had just been chased down Highway 77 by
54:40
Speaker 1: five UFOs. As Charlotte says, they asked us if we
54:44
Speaker 1: were drinking or taking drugs or something. But everybody who
54:47
Speaker 1: knows us knows we do not drink, that we do
54:51
Speaker 1: not tell wild stories. This was confirmed by Dempsey Bird,
54:56
Speaker 1: the public relations executive at the facility where they worked,
55:00
Speaker 1: and he said about Charlotte, I have known her for
55:03
Speaker 1: 13 years or more. I believe what she has described
55:07
Speaker 1: is exactly what she saw. I've never heard her tell
55:10
Speaker 1: anything but the truth. So after calming down, they finally
55:14
Speaker 1: reported their experience to reporter Jerry Harris of the Talladega-Sailacoga
55:20
Speaker 1: Alabama Daily Home newspaper. Charlotte told the reporter, I finally
55:25
Speaker 1: got my wish, and then some. I'd always wanted to
55:28
Speaker 1: see one of them things, until Wednesday night. Now perhaps significant,
55:33
Speaker 1: the location of the sighting is only a few miles
55:35
Speaker 1: away from the massive Army Ordnance Depot in Anniston, Alabama.
55:40
Speaker 1: This holds large amounts of weaponry, so this could possibly
55:44
Speaker 1: be one of the reasons UFOs were attracted to the area,
55:48
Speaker 1: because it is a known location of several other encounters
55:51
Speaker 1: through the years. Now, in further confirmation of their encounter
55:54
Speaker 1: was a wave of sightings that happened in the area
55:57
Speaker 1: about five weeks later, on the last week of March 1976.
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Speaker 1: Several residents of West End described seeing a round gray
56:06
Speaker 1: object moving slowly at treetop level. In fact, two of
56:10
Speaker 1: the witnesses were patrolmen on duty. The local police station
56:14
Speaker 1: said that they received several calls from residents, which was
56:18
Speaker 1: confirmed by police chief Joe Sparks, who told reporter Madge
56:21
Speaker 1: McGee that he preferred not to comment on the wave
56:25
Speaker 1: of sightings. One newspaper did try to explain the sightings
56:28
Speaker 1: away as military tests at the Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville,
56:33
Speaker 1: saying that gases released during the tests could take on
56:36
Speaker 1: various shapes and colors. This is, of course, a ridiculous
56:40
Speaker 1: debunking explanation. For example, take a look at this case.
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Speaker 1: Faria Parker and her three children, Michael, age 10, Timothy,
56:49
Speaker 1: age 7, and John, age 5, the children were playing
56:54
Speaker 1: outside their home at 510 Lawson Street in Talladega when
56:59
Speaker 1: they saw a large, smoky blue, pancake-shaped object hovering overhead
57:05
Speaker 1: at very low elevations. Five-year-old John saw it first, shouted
57:09
Speaker 1: out to his brothers, and then dashed inside the house
57:12
Speaker 1: and locked the door in fear. His two brothers looked
57:16
Speaker 1: up and saw this craft coming down. It had what
57:19
Speaker 1: looked like landing gear coming out of the bottom, and
57:22
Speaker 1: they said a door opened in the bottom and began
57:25
Speaker 1: flashing blue light onto the ground. So they were also
57:28
Speaker 1: terrified and tried to run inside, but found out that
57:32
Speaker 1: they were locked out by their little brother. So they
57:35
Speaker 1: began pounding on the door in terror. And this is
57:37
Speaker 1: what alerted their mother, Faria, who unlocked the door and
57:41
Speaker 1: let the boys in. And she said that they were, quote,
57:44
Speaker 1: white as cotton, as they described this craft. In fact,
57:48
Speaker 1: they refused to go outside. So she went outside to check.
57:51
Speaker 1: One of them did follow her. And she saw it too.
57:55
Speaker 1: And she says it looked like it was coming down
57:57
Speaker 1: in the backyard. She said she could see red and
58:00
Speaker 1: white lights around the circumference when suddenly it disappeared. only
58:05
Speaker 1: to reappear some distance away and then move off. And
58:09
Speaker 1: it turned out there were other witnesses, including Jackie Hallman,
58:12
Speaker 1: who said that she saw an oblong-shaped pulsating object with
58:16
Speaker 1: blue lights move overhead at treetop level before moving away.
58:21
Speaker 1: So there you go. Ten clear examples of UFO car chases.
58:27
Speaker 1: Something very significant is going on here. There's so many
58:31
Speaker 1: cases like this. I could easily write a book about them.
58:35
Speaker 1: They do occur all over the world, and as you
58:38
Speaker 1: can see, it happens decade after decade. So clearly, this
58:42
Speaker 1: is an intentional behavior on the part of the ETs.
58:45
Speaker 1: And it's my suspicion, I suspect, that the motive behind
58:50
Speaker 1: these encounters is simply one of announcing their presence, as
58:54
Speaker 1: I said earlier, in a way that's undeniable. But again,
58:58
Speaker 1: this is pure speculation. I really don't know. But how
59:02
Speaker 1: amazing is that? Why are they doing this? That's really
59:06
Speaker 1: the million-dollar question. Again, I did cover these types of
59:11
Speaker 1: cases in an earlier episode, UFOs Fast and Furious, UFO
59:16
Speaker 1: Cart Encounters. So if you want to check that out,
59:19
Speaker 1: there's some other really amazing cases of the same kind.
59:24
Speaker 1: So I guess that's it for today. I truly appreciate
59:27
Speaker 1: you guys watching. Thank you very much. I hope you
59:30
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I hope you perhaps learned something. But until
59:34
Speaker 1: next time, keep asking those hard questions. Keep searching for
59:37
Speaker 1: the truth. Most important of all, keep having fun. And
59:41
Speaker 1: I hope to see you for another episode of UFOs
59:44
Speaker 1: and the Paranormal. I'm signing off.