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Lt Col Darrin Gaub on Iranian conflict · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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  Speaker 1: It's time for The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott.
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  Speaker 3: Believe it or not, we are coming up on three
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  Speaker 3: weeks of this conflict in Iran. We've had some American
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  Speaker 3: military deaths, unfortunately. A lot of people are concerned that
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  Speaker 3: more may come. It looks like the military is doing
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  Speaker 3: everything perfectly. If you listen to Donald Trump, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to find out if that is true with a special
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  Speaker 3: guest tonight. He's been on the program before. You see
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  Speaker 3: him a lot on Fox News and also on Newsmax.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen him there as well. His name is Lieutenant
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  Speaker 3: Colonel Darren Gobb. And Lieutenant Colonel, welcome back to the program.
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  Speaker 3: Always good to have you.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Booker. Thank you for having me back on again.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a little bit, but, uh, you know, lots of,
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  Speaker 2: lots of changed and a lot stayed the same. It's
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  Speaker 2: been a very fast three weeks though, since this war
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  Speaker 2: kicked off.
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  Speaker 3: I think the last time you were here, we were
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  Speaker 3: talking about Iran again. This time was back in June
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  Speaker 3: when we dropped the Moabs and tried to take out
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  Speaker 3: all their nuclear capabilities. I guess we didn't back then
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  Speaker 3: because now here we are again. And that, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: is one of the objectives that Donald Trump has talked about.
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  Speaker 3: In my mind, I'm having a hard time understanding exactly
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  Speaker 3: what the objectives are here. I think militarily it is
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  Speaker 3: to destroy the ballistic missile launchers and the missile capabilities.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm not hearing much else. What do you think
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  Speaker 3: the true objectives are here? Because you hear regime change
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  Speaker 3: and you You hear a lot of different things. Messaging,
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  Speaker 3: I think, has been a little bit chanky sometimes. What
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  Speaker 3: do you think? What are the objectives here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the challenges. And I'll tell you,
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  Speaker 2: as a military planner who's worked a lot of different
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  Speaker 2: levels of planning, including operations that would be considered at
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  Speaker 2: the same level and scope and intensity of Iran, defining
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  Speaker 2: objectives and then Putting them on paper and then defining
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  Speaker 2: what also, by the way, makes them measurable and achievable
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  Speaker 2: so you know when you've reached something. It sounds easy,
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  Speaker 2: but it's extraordinarily difficult, and especially with a conflict like this.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think it's easy to say remove the
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  Speaker 2: ability of Iran to threaten Iran. the region and, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: potentially the globe with nuclear capabilities and or missiles. And,
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  Speaker 2: of course, those two can be combined. And that tends
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  Speaker 2: to be where everybody stops because it is easy to understand.
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  Speaker 2: What gets a little bit more difficult is the word
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  Speaker 2: regime change. And it tends to have a negative connotation
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  Speaker 2: to it. And that negative reputation, I guess you could say,
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  Speaker 2: is well-earned. But in this case, I would say that
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  Speaker 2: what they're doing is the objective being big picture, eliminate
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  Speaker 2: Iran's ability to threaten the entire region and potentially the
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  Speaker 2: globe with nuclear missiles and missiles in general. And the
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  Speaker 2: second one being set the conditions for the people of
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  Speaker 2: Iran to be able to, if they choose to, eliminate
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  Speaker 2: the dictatorship around them and chart a new path forward
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  Speaker 2: from Iran. How you do that is eliminate as much
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  Speaker 2: as you can of the state's security apparatus, which is
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  Speaker 2: mostly internal security, very little external when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: the military functions. And that's what I see is the
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  Speaker 2: harder one to define, the harder one to understand, and
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  Speaker 2: why it tends to be something that's kind of glossed
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  Speaker 2: over in the military objectives discussions that happen in public,
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  Speaker 2: because it's It's actually a lot harder to win that
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  Speaker 2: victory than it is. What I say is it's a
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  Speaker 2: lot harder to win the peace than it is to
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  Speaker 2: win the war sometimes. And we're very good militarily at
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  Speaker 2: achieving military scope and objectives, as you see happening. It's
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  Speaker 2: the what happens next. And the last thing I'll say
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  Speaker 2: is sometimes military objectives for operations of this scale are
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  Speaker 2: not shared publicly for a reason. You do not want
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  Speaker 2: to give an enemy force information. a clear definition of
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  Speaker 2: what you're trying to achieve or do because they'll take
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  Speaker 2: advantage of it. And the best example of that is
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  Speaker 2: when Biden came across the internet and during the news
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  Speaker 2: services and said, this is when we're leaving Afghanistan. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you've just handed all leverage to the Taliban.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's why sometimes you don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: And that resulted in American deaths. 13 were killed there
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  Speaker 3: at Abbey gate as a result of that. And a
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  Speaker 3: terrible withdrawal from Afghanistan. Most Americans don't, wanted it. Even
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump wanted that to happen. The way that it
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  Speaker 3: took place, the way that it happened with Joe Biden
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  Speaker 3: was a debacle. It was terrible. It should have never
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  Speaker 3: happened that way. There were different ways to do it.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously, history will tell everybody exactly what happened there
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  Speaker 3: in Afghanistan and Abbey Gate. And we're still paying for that,
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  Speaker 3: I think, today. Let's go back to military here in Iran.
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  Speaker 3: Will you give it a grade of A-plus so far
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  Speaker 3: from what you're seeing?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. From what I'm seeing, I mean, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to give it a solid A easily. A plus if
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  Speaker 2: you dig into the details and things pan out the
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  Speaker 2: way they should. Now, I will tell you that there's
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  Speaker 2: been a myriad of military operations of multiple scales. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, nothing ever goes perfect as you would expect.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's going to be communications challenges. Something's going
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  Speaker 2: to break. There's going to be a misconstrued order. You know,
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  Speaker 2: timing is going to happen or weather or things in
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  Speaker 2: or out of your control. But in the end, despite
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  Speaker 2: all that, that's kind of like the work going on
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  Speaker 2: behind the curtain on a stage play. As long as
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  Speaker 2: you put up the show before the audience, for lack
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  Speaker 2: of a better way to describe it, and they don't
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  Speaker 2: see anything wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Then.
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  Speaker 2: You're covering up for all those little, not necessarily covering up,
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  Speaker 2: but you're making up for all those mistakes that happened
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  Speaker 2: that And they're not big enough to affect the overall operation.
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  Speaker 2: So I've been thoroughly impressed with this operation, how effective
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  Speaker 2: it's been, how quick it's been across the board. And
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  Speaker 2: I know there's some lessons learned from messaging to targeting,
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  Speaker 2: and there will be plenty of them for years in advance.
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  Speaker 2: But I think the American people can look at this
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  Speaker 2: and they can debate whether we should or shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: doing this. That's a healthy debate to have. But when
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  Speaker 2: you look at the professionalism of the military operation and
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  Speaker 2: what they're achieving, American folks should know that they should
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  Speaker 2: be very proud of this and know that there is
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  Speaker 2: still no force on this planet that matches ours.
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  Speaker 3: It is impressive, and the American people should get behind
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  Speaker 3: the military regardless of whether you think we should be
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  Speaker 3: doing this or not. But let me ask you, Darren,
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  Speaker 3: do you think we should be doing this? Do you
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  Speaker 3: see that there was an imminent threat from Iran? Because
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people are using that word because of
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  Speaker 3: the War Powers Act. Was there an imminent threat from Iran,
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  Speaker 3: especially after June last year, when we went in there
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  Speaker 3: and dropped bombs to take care of their nuclear capabilities?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I am behind what's happening, and here's the
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  Speaker 2: reason why. 1979, we know the Iranian revolution happened, and
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  Speaker 2: the Shah was deposed, and the Mullahs took charge and
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  Speaker 2: began to turn Iran into a theocratic dictatorship based on
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  Speaker 2: some of the most radical views of Islam you can imagine.
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  Speaker 2: At that same time, that dictatorship organization and group became
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  Speaker 2: very clear in their goals about, number one, target erase
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  Speaker 2: the Jewish state. Number two, target the most powerful Christian
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  Speaker 2: nation on the planet of us. They declared war on
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  Speaker 2: us then. They've been at war with us since.
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: And we have not paid attention to that fact. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we're basically the guy in the corner getting mauled by
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  Speaker 2: a slave. you know, in a boxing ring and getting
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  Speaker 2: pummeled by a much smaller boxer who doesn't have the
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  Speaker 2: skill to be even in the ring in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: So anybody who says that, you know, we started this
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  Speaker 2: and Iran did not is simply not aware of history
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  Speaker 2: and what's been going on. I have the benefit of
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  Speaker 2: having a lot of intelligence background as well. So I
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  Speaker 2: know what they've been doing. And to a point, you
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  Speaker 2: have to respect the idea that there could be an
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  Speaker 2: imminent threat. And with Iran, there always is. They had
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  Speaker 2: the capacity and were building the capacity over time to
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  Speaker 2: create ultimately missiles with nuclear capability, even if it was
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  Speaker 2: regional and not global. That just couldn't be allowed to happen.
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  Speaker 2: And what has happened to Iran over those decades, though? Well, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: it's turned into a global threat. narco terrorist regular terrorist
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  Speaker 2: religious theocracy money laundering scheme sending out terrorists terrorism and
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  Speaker 2: all these things that you can imagine globally and so
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  Speaker 2: when we say that you know it's iran that's the
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  Speaker 2: middle east concern that's not our war well it is
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  Speaker 2: to iran we are their target and they had hezbollah
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  Speaker 2: in venezuela and in the islands north of venezuela they've
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  Speaker 2: moved hezbollah through through mexico into the southern border of
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  Speaker 2: the united states And so the history is there. And
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  Speaker 2: we need to acknowledge it. And we can't change that history.
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  Speaker 2: We are where we are now. And so we have
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  Speaker 2: to deal with the threat that's in front of us now.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a chance to free 90 million people from
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  Speaker 2: the hands of a dictatorship in Persia. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a noble cause we're engaged in for
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  Speaker 2: very good reasons. And people will make arguments against that,
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  Speaker 2: but I think a lot of them are. concerned about
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  Speaker 2: us getting into protracted land wars where we have failed before.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see Trump doing it. Yeah, I don't either.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see Trump doing that. I mean, if that
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  Speaker 2: was the case, guess what would have happened already? There
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  Speaker 2: would have been National Guard mobilizations. There would have been
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  Speaker 2: reserve mobilizations. There would have been active duty forces on
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  Speaker 2: trains going to boats because that takes a month, month
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  Speaker 2: and a half sometimes just to get across the water
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  Speaker 2: in large quantities. And I'm familiar with the logistics behind
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  Speaker 2: how these large formations move. I've done it so many times.
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  Speaker 2: If we were intending to be on the ground in
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  Speaker 2: Iran with significant levels of forces at all of any kind,
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  Speaker 2: they would have already been moving two months ago.
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  Speaker 3: I remember the first Gulf War, and it took a month,
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  Speaker 3: two months to get everybody over there in the desert
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  Speaker 3: before they ever invaded and went into Kuwait to remove
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  Speaker 3: Saddam Hussein and Iraq. You make a great point there.
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  Speaker 3: I had not even thought about that. That's why you're
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  Speaker 3: here on the program with the military background that you have.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go back to that history, because I wrote an
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  Speaker 3: article on that a couple of weeks ago, 1979, Iran
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  Speaker 3: declared war. I used the words that you used, and
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  Speaker 3: some people came back to me, well, what about 1947
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  Speaker 3: to 1953 when England came in there and they put
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  Speaker 3: in the Shah. And so they were trying to make
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  Speaker 3: the argument that the CIA, along with England, actually started
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  Speaker 3: all of this and took it away from the people
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  Speaker 3: of Iran. But I think we know the truth. That
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  Speaker 3: is not the truth. We know that the Iranian people,
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  Speaker 3: 75% of them right now, they want their freedom. They
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  Speaker 3: want it back like they had it prior to 1979.
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  Speaker 3: As you look at... Yeah, go ahead, Darren. Please comment.
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  Speaker 2: Quick and easy one there is like you know let's
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  Speaker 2: just pretend like all that was even true so what
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  Speaker 2: yeah does that help us solve this problem now not
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  Speaker 2: really i mean i think we're all pretty well versed
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  Speaker 2: in the fact that there's a lot that has to
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  Speaker 2: do with the banking system and the bretton woods accords
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  Speaker 2: and all wars being banker wars that you could bring
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  Speaker 2: into all this and create a lot of different philosophical
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  Speaker 2: and other types of arguments sure but you know does
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  Speaker 2: that solve the issue we're dealing with in 2026.
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  Speaker 3: And what exactly is that issue? Is it Iran nuclear weapons?
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  Speaker 3: Is it Iran continuing to disrupt the Gulf Arab nations
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  Speaker 3: as they have with Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Hamas in
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  Speaker 3: the Gaza Strip? Is that what this is all about,
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  Speaker 3: to make the Gulf Arab nations, and obviously Israel, make
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  Speaker 3: them free and safe?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's certainly part of it, but in and of itself,
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  Speaker 2: it's not all. I mean, this is another one of
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  Speaker 2: those things that I executed and learned in the military
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  Speaker 2: was that oftentimes what you're looking for is the effect
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  Speaker 2: of an action. And so don't always tell me as
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  Speaker 2: a planner or a commander, depending on where I was,
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  Speaker 2: that exactly what you want me to do and how
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  Speaker 2: you want me to do it. Tell me what effect
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to achieve, and I will help you, and
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  Speaker 2: I will help by defining a way forward to get
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  Speaker 2: to that. So what other effects are we looking for
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  Speaker 2: beyond the reducing Iran's missile capabilities, nuclear capabilities, and general
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  Speaker 2: annoying part of it that is Iran throughout Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: Central Asia? Well, when you combine Iran with Venezuela... You
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  Speaker 2: take away a large part of the cheap oil that
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  Speaker 2: was going to China. You take away the drone factories
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  Speaker 2: that were supplying Russia. Those are just the big ones.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of little things out there that the
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  Speaker 2: effects you achieved are not... destroying Iran's missile capabilities. What
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  Speaker 2: you're doing, in many cases, you're actually attempting to restructure
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  Speaker 2: much of the global economic order out to China, out
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  Speaker 2: to Venezuela, out to who runs the Panama Canal, and
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  Speaker 2: by the way, affecting the Russia-Ukraine war. And these are
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  Speaker 2: just some examples, and certainly not all, because we haven't
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  Speaker 2: even talked about things like Lloyd's of London becoming irrelevant
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  Speaker 2: to insuring shipping in the Panama Canal by saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we'll do it.
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  Speaker 3: They've been around for a long time and they may
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  Speaker 3: become more irrelevant in the insurance industry altogether as a
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  Speaker 3: result of this.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they could, and they're a very powerful player. We're
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  Speaker 2: still dealing with a lot of the post-British empire world, including,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, those lines on the map in the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East. That's a valid point that that's how those
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  Speaker 2: lines got there. That's why the Kurds are distributed across
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  Speaker 2: so many nations. And all of these things, when you
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  Speaker 2: put them all together, you end up with the problem
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  Speaker 2: that we're dealing with today, which is the rogue regime
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  Speaker 2: in Iran that is basically being used as a facilitation
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  Speaker 2: mechanism to export terrorism drugs and so many other things
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  Speaker 2: around the world. That's the reality.
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  Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts on the Strait of
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  Speaker 3: Hormuz and Kark Island and those things in a few minutes.
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  Speaker 3: But I want to come back to the regime change
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  Speaker 3: part of it. I personally believe I don't have military experience.
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  Speaker 1: You do.
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  Speaker 3: That's why you're here. But I personally believe that the
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  Speaker 3: people of Iran are going to have to do that.
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  Speaker 3: And it sounds like that's what Donald Trump believes. We
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  Speaker 3: have seen what has happened in Syria. Syria, we kind
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  Speaker 3: of left it up to them. It has worked out,
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  Speaker 3: I guess, for now. It's no longer a civil war
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  Speaker 3: going there like it had been. You know, that's what's
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  Speaker 3: going to have to happen with those 75% of the people.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned the Kurds there a few minutes ago. I
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  Speaker 3: read over the weekend that the Kurds are really standing
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  Speaker 3: by to be the ground troops if they need them.
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  Speaker 3: There are Kurds in Iran and there are Kurds there
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  Speaker 3: on the border as well. Have you heard anything about that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen some stuff about the Kurds and I've
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  Speaker 2: worked with them in the past. I know what they're like.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'll start off by saying, yes, I believe
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  Speaker 2: the answer to the Iranian slash Persian question is their
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  Speaker 2: own people. But we can set the conditions for them
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  Speaker 2: to be able to do what they have to do
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  Speaker 2: by reducing their security apparatus and all the leadership that
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  Speaker 2: may want to stick its head up, which they seem
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  Speaker 2: to be less likely to do now. But you're not
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  Speaker 2: going to stick an American military in Iran and think
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  Speaker 2: you're going to solve the problem of 90 million people.
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  Speaker 2: That's just not feasible. And by the way, four times
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  Speaker 2: the size of Iraq, and you saw how hard Iraq was.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to the Kurds, speaking of Iraq, every
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  Speaker 2: time you hear Erbil on the news, that's Kurdish territory.
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  Speaker 2: They've also got southeastern Turkey and northern Iran spread throughout
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  Speaker 2: there in a portion of northern Syria. And so they've
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  Speaker 2: been basically a state within a state in a way,
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  Speaker 2: which is why Turkey's always been very careful with the
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  Speaker 2: American military. When I was down there flying missions along
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  Speaker 2: the Syrian border, because they assumed that we were actually
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  Speaker 2: helping the Kurdish people build some sort of revolution against
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  Speaker 2: the Turkish government. Well, there's a part of that, that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's true to the point where the Kurds
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  Speaker 2: want to be independent of Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Northern Syria. We're,
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  Speaker 2: we have, we of course weren't doing that. That was,
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  Speaker 2: that was their imagination. Um, But the Kurdish people are
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  Speaker 2: intensely loyal if you're loyal to them. There is no
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  Speaker 2: greater enemy and no better friend, and you better keep
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  Speaker 2: them as a friend. We've given our word to them
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  Speaker 2: in many cases, and we need to do so. What
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  Speaker 2: I would envision in an Iran scenario is not the
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  Speaker 2: Kurdish people rolling into Tehran and taking it over, that
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  Speaker 2: kind of a thing, more of a an Erbil situation
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  Speaker 2: in northern Iran where they might carve out a piece
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  Speaker 2: of land that they essentially put their tents down and
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  Speaker 2: put a stake in the ground and say, this is ours.
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  Speaker 2: Just don't bother us. We won't bother you. The map
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  Speaker 2: lines won't really change, but it would then function like
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  Speaker 2: northeast Iraq where Erbil is almost like a cosmopolitan eastern
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  Speaker 2: European city compared to the rest of Iraq itself and
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  Speaker 2: much of the Middle East. So I think the Kurds
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  Speaker 2: may have a role, but I think that's not the
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  Speaker 2: solution to Iran writ large.
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  Speaker 3: Well, how do you go into Tehran then? And I
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily believe that the Kurds were going to take
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: it for it to be their own, but really to
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: be the ground force for those 75% of the 90
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: million people in Iran. They don't have arms. They're not
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: going to be able to do this without arms or
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: without an army.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: And this is why I say the military phase of
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: this is the easy phase, frankly. And it's what we're
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: used to. It's what we're the best at. Where we've
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: constantly been challenged is saying, okay, we can't let mission
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: creep take over on this and force us onto the
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: ground in Iran to try to establish their governance. No,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: they need to do that for themselves. Can the Kurds
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: play a role? Sure. Especially if it's giving and arming
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: the people of Iran if that's what they want to
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: be able to solve their own problem with, besides potentially
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: them taking weapons from their own IRGC and goods forces
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: whenever they get the opportunity to do so. And that,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I think, is the answer. I don't think it's an
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: easy answer, and I don't think it's going to be
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: a bloodless answer. But I do think it's the only
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: way forward that is remotely feasible. And we're not trying
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: to establish... like we did in Afghanistan and Iraq, which
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: we're not going to try to establish in there a
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: a functioning American style, you know, constitutional Republic with democratic tendencies.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: We just want a nation in Iran. I think in
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: the rest of the middle East would like this too,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: as a nation that can at least get along with
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: its neighbors.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I agree.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, we got dictatorships or, you know, theocracies
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: in the middle East that we work with all the time. Um,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make them our enemy, and it doesn't necessarily
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: mean they have to be our friends. But if Iran
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: is not what it is now, that's a win. And it's,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know, none of us can foresee the future
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: in this whole thing, but it's going to get harder
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: when it comes to what Iran turned into.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: And I encourage people to be patient. Let this thing
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: work out. Nobody, as you just said, nobody really knows
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: what's going to happen. That is war or a conflict,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: whatever you want to call this thing. That's what happens.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: You really don't know. You can plan for everything. I
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: think you do plan for everything. You just don't know
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: what direction it's going to go. I think that's where
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: we are. We have more of this conversation coming up.
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• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Let's pick up the conversation there where we left off.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: We are talking about regime change. We're talking about the
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Iranian people. How soon could that part of this start
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: taking place? We see that the military for America, Donald
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Trump's plan, I think, from what I can gather, was
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: four to six weeks. That puts it around April 9th.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: And as I said going into the break, be patient.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: You can never really figure out what's going to happen
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: for sure. But let's assume that somewhere along that timeline
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: is about right. Do you feel like they've done everything
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: that they can do militarily, the United States and Israel,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: as far as decapitating the leadership, the Ayatollahs?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Not yet. And the reason why I say that is
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: because the way this works from an unclassified planning perspective
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: is you take away the greatest threat first with the
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: immediate objective. And that immediate objective was the ability to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: remove their capability to launch missiles all over the region
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: in even greater quantities than we actually saw. In order
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to do that, you had to reduce and eliminate the
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: effectiveness or completely potentially their air defense systems. across the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: entire country. Once you do that, then you open up
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: the aperture and then you're actually allowed to fly a
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: whole lot more airplanes in and use a lot more
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: other assets in places like the Hormuz Strait on Karg
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Island and you name it. And then you move inland
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: and you start saying, okay, we don't have to keep
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: targeting air defense systems because they're gone. If they pop up,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: we'll eliminate them on call or when we identify them.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: So what they're going to do now is is start
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: eliminating the key command and control nodes and military supply
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: depots and stuff that have to do with that internal
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: security function that their military serves. I mean, all their
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: guns in Iran are pointed inward. They're not an invading
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: force of foreign nations. They're a controlling agency of their
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: own people. And so if we can start peeling that back,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: and I do agree that somewhere in the next probably
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: three to five weeks or so that you could very
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: well have airplanes over the skies of Iran that are
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: just boring holes in the skies because we've largely hit
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: everything that mattered. In that situation, if you're effective enough
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and the people on the ground there realize it enough,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: they can come together and we've helped set those conditions
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: and put those in place to where the people can
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: do that with much less risk involved. than they would
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: be now. And so that's why there's plenty of work
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: left to do, because that internal security apparatus is a 500,000-person
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: military with, you know, what, a 10,000-person Quds Force who
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: are the most violent radical. And we're just going to
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: keep playing, I guess, whack-a-mole with Iranian leaders. And as
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I've described many times, that Iran currently is led by
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: a picture in a frame. It's not led by an
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: actual person.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: And maybe he's gone, too. We don't know. It would
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: be interesting to find out. I would not stick my
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: head out at all if I were him.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't do that if you're going to
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: claim leadership.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't think that's leadership, living in a hole like
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: a groundhog. Right. That's not leadership.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going to put you all at risk, and I'm
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: going to hide in a bunker.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about the Strait of Hormuz because it's in
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: the news. You were talking about it earlier, how it's
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: tied with China, Russia, not just China too, but the
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Asian countries, Japan, South Korea.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: All of them are heavily dependent on the oil that
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: comes through there. And I guess, what, 80% to 90%
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: of the oil from Iran goes through the island that
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: we were discussing. We bombed military assets, bases, whatever, on
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: that island. And I guess we took them out. So
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I think also Donald Trump and America, we're showing them
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: we can also take out your oil. It sounds like
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump doesn't want to do that because he is
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: dealing with higher gas prices already. And he doesn't want
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: to get that out of control. And if you destroy
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: all of that oil, then the only thing that's going
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: to happen is the price of gas is going to
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: go up here at home domestically. And that's not what
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: he wants to do. But he did want to send
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: a message, I think. And then I've heard some people,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: former generals, General Kellogg would be one of those. He
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: says we should seize the island. And we hear about
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: this 2,500... Marine Expeditionary Force that's on their way over there,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: probably take another week to 10 days or so. Is
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: there any possibility that's their purpose?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: There's always that possibility. Kellogg and I, I guess you
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: could say it's fair that we're not going to find
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: agreement very often. But then again, I have a lot
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: of generals that don't agree with me. It's probably why
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I retired as a lieutenant colonel.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think it would be a good idea,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: and I'm not a former lieutenant colonel. I just don't
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: think that sending troops there on that island is a
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: good idea at all, and I just don't know how
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: it helps. So I don't know. Maybe you and I
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: agree on that. Well, yeah.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Given the conditions that we're in right now, I don't
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: see the need, and here's why, and this will go
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: back to my time on other news channels. I was
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: doing an interview yesterday on Newsmax, and I made the
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: point that if I were in the room with Trump
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: right now, I would highly discourage bombing the oil facilities
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: on Card Island, and I would not occupy it. One,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: because if you start bombing the oil facilities, what you're
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: doing is actually ruining the economic possibilities of Iran and
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the people. Now you're attacking the people and not the
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: dictators and the mullahs. Yes, I know they get their
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: monies through that oil. But all you've got to do
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: to stop that is just not let the ships leave.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: That's pretty helpful. That way the infrastructure is in place,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: and there's still a price for the Mulas anyways. But
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: right now we've got to get the straits open. We
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: know that they are severely degraded, and most of that
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: is largely due to risk decisions on behalf of the
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: companies that own the tankers. And I think we'll surmount
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: that obstacle to a point before too long because we're
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: working to eradicate all those areas that threaten the Straits
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: from Iran in the first place. That's drone launching capabilities,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: surface-to-surface missile engagements from land to sea, those kinds of things.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: But Iran's been, again, planning on this war for almost
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: 50 years. And so they've got things littered all over
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the place. And frankly... The Strait of Hormuz is their
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: only real last leverage point. And so they're going to
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: be desperate to keep that thing as a price to pay. Now,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: for America, 2% of our oil comes from the Persian
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Gulf region to here. We're a net exporter still regardless.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: But we're still subject to the global market of oil,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: whether there's a glut or a reduction. The prices fluctuate
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: based on perceived risk in the future, not necessarily the now.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: supply capability. So we know it's important. And I think
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: the risk decision on Trump's behalf and that he needs
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: to keep in place is that you're not helping the
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: situation if you destroy those facilities on Card Island that
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: are left. You're making things worse. Destroying the military capabilities
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: on the island, I'm okay with. Throwing a marine expeditionary
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: unit on there, you're going to have to be convincing
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: in the reason why we would need to do that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see a reason to do that either.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: When it comes to the straight of her moves, Donald
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Trump has had some frustration. He came out with this
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: on Tuesday about NATO. our NATO allies. It is frustrating.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: We have been there for Ukraine, which benefits Eastern Europe.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: We have spent $ 200 billion between cash and weapons. We've
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: been there for Ukraine and Eastern Europe. And now here
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: we are with this. While Trump says they all agree
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: that this is a bad thing, They still don't want
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: to help. And I have some sound here, Darren. We're
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: going to listen to this. This was Donald Trump from
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: the Oval Office on Tuesday about NATO.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: All of the NATO allies agreed with us, but they
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: don't want to, you know, despite the fact that we
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: help them so much, we have thousands of soldiers in
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: different countries all over the world, and they don't want
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: to help us. which is amazing. I mean, amazing. And
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: I didn't do a full-court press, because I think if
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I did, they probably would be. But we don't need help.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: You know, that war has been long prosecuted, as far
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: as I'm concerned, almost from day one.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: We knocked out many.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Of these things.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: We knocked out the Navy, essentially, in a couple of days.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: But I was surprised to see that NATO, while they
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: agreed that it was a very important thing to do,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: they agreed fully. Nobody said, oh, you shouldn't do it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: They would have had a nuclear weapon within one month
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: of when we had the B-2 bombers bomb the nuclear potential.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I call it the nuclear dust bomb. So I think
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: NATO is making a very foolish mistake. And I've long
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: said that, you know, I wonder whether or not NATO
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: would ever be there for us. So this was a
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: great test because we don't need them, but they should
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: have been there. The other thing is, and I think,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: you know, very important, we didn't have to be there
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: for Ukraine. You know, Biden chose to spend hundreds of
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: billions of dollars on Ukraine.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: And... I guess the head of Germany.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Just made a statement that, well, they weren't involved and
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: they have nothing to do with the war. But at
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: the same time, they think we did a great thing
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: by knocking them out. Nobody wants to have nobody wants
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: to have Iran or anybody, but nobody wants to have
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Iran with a nuclear because these people are crazy.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but it sort of frustrates me, too,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: that NATO is not there. Why not? What is wrong
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: with these people?
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot there. First of all, I'm careful
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to make sure that I don't couch this as a
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: question of NATO as an organization per se, because NATO
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: is an organization dedicated to the defense of Western Europe.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: And to me, this is more about maybe aligned European
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: allies that should or they should be a part of
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: this and they should have been from the start. Because
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that gets NATO out of it. Because guess what? We
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: are NATO. We're part of that alliance, so we're complaining
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: about ourselves. And I know that might be a nuance
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: in many years, but from the defense world and the
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: diplomacy world, it kind of sticks out as like, what?
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: You guys are NATO. And that's also a bit of
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: a problem with the whole thing is because we prop
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: it up. But what I will say is the reason
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: he's right is in that, you know, asking for some
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: minesweepers or some other assets from France, Germany, the United
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Kingdom and other nations. Well, they should be there because
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: guess what? They get more of their oil and energy
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: supplies from the Persian Gulf than we do. Guess who
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: else should be there? Well, India. I mean, most of
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: those supplies out of the Persian Gulf go to Asia.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Japan is a good one.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. And they should have a very vested interest.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And I know Japan has made some statements about helping,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: but You know, we'll see in action whether or not
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: the words meet the action or not. But, you know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: it's going to continue to be a problem. But here's
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: one of the main concerns. And this is my collecting
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: information from my veterans network that runs through a number
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of European nations. And that is the fact that they've
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: got anywhere between 6% and 8%, depending on the country
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you're looking at, of their their populations now have been
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: taken over by many of the radical islamic philosophy people
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: that you are dealing with in iran yeah and so
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: if they send their capabilities into the middle east well
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: these people in london in berlin and paris might erupt
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: because now you're doing something against the islamic people who
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: they may rise up and and become very violent in
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: those countries And so, and I've had people kick back
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: that argument and say, well, it's only like 6% or 8%.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, let's do the math. You know, what is,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: what is, let's just say 5%. What's 5% of 360
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: million people in the United States. And then compare it
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: to the summer of love and the black lives matter
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff and the damage they did.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: And then those numbers, well, you know, 18 million people,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: 5% of 360 million, uh, can do a lot of
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: damage if they're completely bent on violence. And oh, by
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the way, many of them think it's a promotion to die. Well,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: these European nations know this. Their leadership is weak, intentionally weak,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: from Macron to Starmer, you name it. And so they're
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: going to say what they have to say, but I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: seriously doubt they're ever going to actually do anything of value.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: And they're going to let us just ride this thing
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: out and try to be the beneficiaries. Well, we know
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: how that works. Remember how we went into Iraq and
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: we were going to become a predominant importer of their oil? Well,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: that didn't happen. We tend to be the world police
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: than everybody else benefits, and that's what's got people frustrated,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: and rightfully so.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and people want to pull back and just worry
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: about America and America first. I make the argument that
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: what is going on in Iran is America first, and
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: it's really hard for me to see it any other
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: way because What Donald Trump is doing in the U.S.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: military is they're preventing more American deaths. Over 1,000 Americans
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: have been killed since 1979. You've mentioned that, that that's
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: when Iran declared war. Over 1,000 Americans, civilian and military,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: have been killed. 2,900 or so in 9-11, 2,996, I
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: think the number was, 2,400 in Pearl Harbor, and the
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: next one is the deaths of Americans to the Iranians.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: And that is an imminent threat, in my opinion. And
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: I think if you don't clean that up right now,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: if Donald Trump doesn't do it, no other president is
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: ever going to do it. Biden, Obama, they did appeasement
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: with Iran. And Donald Trump is going to have to
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: do it. And you look at the Abraham Accords and
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: what it has done in bringing an alliance with Israel
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: and the other Gulf Arab nations. And then you pay
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: attention over the last couple of years, since October 7th,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: how these other nations, they haven't gotten involved at all.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: That's how you know that this thing was never going
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: to escalate to other countries. Now, Iran has tried. They
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: tried to draw them in, but they have abstained from
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: doing anything. They are letting America and Israel continue to
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: do the work, just like they have over the last
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: two years with Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza, and
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump bombing the Houthis in Yemen.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the right answer is, you know,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: we recognize the threat to our friends in Qatar and
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the UAE and the Gulf Cooperation Council states that are
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: throughout there who've been bullied and intimidated by Iran for
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: good reasons. And, you know, we can look at them
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: in the eye and say, hey, listen, you know what?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: You're going to get attacked by drones or some missiles
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: and some are going to get through and you're going
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: to suffer something. They don't know what it is. But
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the worst thing you can do is get involved in
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: a way that actually makes this mission more hazardous. And
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: because we're not used to working necessarily with some of
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: these countries militarily. Some of the best thing they can
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: do is defend their airspace and generally not get in
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the way. And that's actually helping us. And I agree
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: with you that this is America first isn't America only.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: America first isn't only within our borders. It's. okay, let's
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: identify the correct threat. Let's identify what they're trying to do.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: And then let's say, you know what? Protecting America is
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: America first, regardless of where the threat comes. Because if
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: you think your immediate neighbors on your left and right
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: of your house are the only ones that can threaten you,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: when it's the guy five houses down who's trying to
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: poison your home and send people up against you, yeah,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: maybe then you should go. Remember that We are actually
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: still a community of nations able to influence and are
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: very connected to each other. And a threat in Iran
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: can manifest itself through, I don't know, drug addiction in
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the backyards of your communities. And that's, to me, when
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: we're talking casualties, American casualties of Iran and what they've
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: been exporting, and you put it together with willing nations
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: who operate with them like China. Now you're getting a
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: better sense of the scope of what Iran's been involved
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: in and what they're capable of doing through these networks,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: these nexuses of terrorism and drug addiction, because they're just
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: trying to whittle at us from the inside, too. So 500,000
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: American casualties to fentanyl falls on China and, by the way,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: on Iran as part of that nexus. You know, we've
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: got to get to the right perspective of scale on this.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: And we haven't even broached the what I would call
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: a biblical narrative to some of this too.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah well you want to get into that we can talk.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: About it we sure can yeah anytime.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about it right now if you'd like
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: to let's take a break here and we'll come back
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: and do you have the time to stay with us
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: for one more segment sure okay we're going to do
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: that coming up next.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: Those big online stores you've been ordering from, they could
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: be as high as 70% Chinese-based sellers. How much money
• 39:51
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• 39:58
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• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Someone asked me the other day, how do you even
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: get a sense of what's going to happen next? It's hard.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know that we can, the way the news
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: moves so fast. But you know what I told them?
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I said, I've been checking out PolyMarket a little bit.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: It's extremely insightful. You're basically watching how thousands of people
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: are betting on outcomes. Political elections, big policy moves, even
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: events you wouldn't expect. It's kind of like a live
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: pulse on what the public actually believes. And you can
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: see trends before they even happen and before they even
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: make the mainstream news. For me, it's not about gambling.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: It's about understanding the probabilities and where the momentum is shifting.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: If you like or love the news like I do,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: maybe you're a news junkie, but you want to take
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: a little deeper look at what people really think, go
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: to Polymarket. It's a fascinating tool. Polymarket.com. We are visiting
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: with Lieutenant Colonel Darren Gobb tonight. He was a flyer
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: in the U.S. military. He was also a military planner,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: and it's great to have him back tonight. We've been
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: talking about Iran this whole time, and one thing I
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: like to talk about is the fact that we're in
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: biblical times. You know, some people think the Bible, well,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: it's an old historical book, and it was, well, we're
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: somewhere between Genesis and Revelation. If you know anything about
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: the Bible, you know what happens in Revelation. That's the end.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: We haven't gotten to that as someone who believes in
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: the Bible. I believe the words of the Bible. I
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: believe it is inspired by the Holy Spirit coming from God.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: That's the way I believe, and I believe that Lieutenant
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Darren Gobb is the same way. Lieutenant Colonel Darren Gobb
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: is the same way. So let's have a little conversation
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: here as we end this hour about where all of
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: this fits into the world from a biblical view.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the first thing is to say that
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: everything is biblical times. It always has been and always
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: will be. And then go back to, okay, we are
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: not to know the day or the hour of Christ's
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: return and We can certainly do our best to read
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the seasons, although it's unhealthy to dwell on them. Can
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: we come up with an argument as to why this
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: could be leading that direction? Well, of course we could.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I've read many books, though, from 1918 and even earlier
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: that they were making an argument for why the times
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: of Revelation were just around the corner then. But when
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: you look at this, I mean, there's a connection and
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: there's a very clear biblical connection to those who study
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: it and I'm teaching the book of Joshua right now,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: and we're going to go into some of the more
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: of the Old Testament. And I've taught the book of
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Daniel many times. And I go to all these sources.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I think of Cyrus the Great, who sent the Jewish
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: people back to their homeland to rebuild Jerusalem. The connections
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: between throughout the Middle East from including Alexander the Great
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: to Darius the Medes to the Persians to all of this.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: And I see the potential for what is happening with
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: the Abraham Accords, potentially settling this conflict with Iran as
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: well into the future, that you have a coming peace
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: in the Middle East that could set the conditions and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: those things that we could be looking for that could
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: bring on the events of the Book of Revelation. Absolutely,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: it could. But then again, it might not.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: And we should all live our lives like tomorrow is
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: our last anyway, or today is. And so it really
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter. But I think it is important to take
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: a look at the Bible and the prophecy that's in
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: there and try to figure out exactly, maybe are we
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: looking at this right now? And I would say, you know,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: you mentioned back 100 years ago, it's almost every war,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: World War I, World War II. Everybody goes to the
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Bible and they start looking for answers. Is this the end?
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: And the apostles also asked Jesus the same question. And
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: it was him that responded that you'll see wars and earthquakes.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: And he says, but those will just be the birthing pains.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: So that's just the beginning of labor, which means even
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: then there's a long way to go in this world that's,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: you know, a very old world with a lot of
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: history in it. And we're still living it right now.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I looked back to the book of Zechariah recently because
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: he was also a prophet in the Old Testament. You
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: mentioned Daniel. Love Daniel. If you really want to understand Revelation,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: you have to understand Daniel because that is mostly what
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: John was referencing in Revelation. So please do some homework
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: on that and learn about Daniel, and then maybe Revelation
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: will make a little bit more sense to you. But
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: if you go back to Zechariah, and he was a prophet,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: he said, that all of the nations will turn against Israel.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Of course, America is a nation, and I think it's
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: important also to study it from the perspective, I have
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: no problem with people being against Netanyahu or Israel as
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: a government and a nation. I have a little bit
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: different perspective on that. So at some point, every nation
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: is going to turn against Israel. So The question is,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: what is Israel? And you and I were sharing some
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: chats back and forth on text, and I think Paul
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: addressed this in Romans 11, when he said that the
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: 12 bad branches were ripped off an olive tree, and
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: 12 were grafted into it, the 12 representing the Gentiles,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: the 12 Apostles, while the 12 bad branches were the
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: unbelievers of the Jews. The first church was Jewish people.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: There are still Jewish believers today. And together, we are Israel.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: We are God's chosen people. We are the believers in
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. So we are Israel as God's people.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's important to remind people how
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: much of the Old Testament points to what's happening now.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: In general, and this is the reason why I point
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: to the book of Daniel and the study of the
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: 70 weeks in the book of Daniel. And the math
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: has been done, and I've done it myself just to
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: double-check things. The prophecies of the book of Daniel that
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: resulted in or pointed to the reestablishment of the nation
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: of Israel back in their homeland got it right to
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: the day, to April 6, 1948, from the day of
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: of the writing inside of the book of Daniel during
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: the 70, 70 years of exile. Um, it was made
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: quite clear. So the people occupying Israel got, you know,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: God's not surprised by anything, right?
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: He knew this was coming and, and, uh, he even
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: gave us the parts of the old Testament to point
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: to exactly when this was going to happen. And it did.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: We shouldn't be surprised anymore by these kinds of things,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: but it is fascinating always to see the intimate accuracy
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: of the predictions and prophecies of God, because that's just
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: who he is. And I think we should very much
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: tread lightly in the whole, you know, the newfangled idea,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: or maybe it's just the same old idea reframed of God.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: talking about Israel and, you know, everything is, you know,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: the Zionists fault and all this kind of stuff. Uh, well,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: you know, they are where they're supposed to be. It
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: was prophesied that they would be there and so be it. Um,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: and they're there in the book of revelation and that's
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: the only name, it's the only nation actually mentioned.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: So where are the rest of, no, we may never
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: know until the very end of we're there to see it. Um, again,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: We can't figure that. We don't know that part. Anybody
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: who says they do know that part, obviously I never
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: actually read the warnings in the Bible about not trying
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: to get that figured out. It is more important to
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: just be ready to go anytime. That's for sure.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: I agree, yeah. I have said this before. I've said
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: this before on the show, Darren, that I believe that
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I was living in my end times from the moment
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I took my first breath. We live, what, 70, 75 years?
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: It's not long considering how old this world is. So
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I think we always live that way. I'm not fearful
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: of the end. I look forward to the end. I
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: just think it's a different perspective to look at all
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: of these things that are going on in the world.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: You look at the new world order. and this is
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: what really made me think about Zechariah prophesying that all
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: nations would turn against Israel. Please keep in mind, too,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: if you're listening to this, maybe you don't know, but
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Israel was actually two things. There was a northern kingdom
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: and a southern kingdom in the Bible. So keep that
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: in mind. If you don't know about that, go study
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: it on your own but America becoming part of the
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: New World Order. You know, when Mark Carney of Canada
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: back in January says that they align with China in
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: every way in this New World Order. And we know
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: what the World Economic Forum, they want a New World
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Order with China's government as the model for it and
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: surveillance and all the other things. And I start wondering
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: about it then, maybe by 2030, depending on who wins
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: the presidency, maybe not. Maybe it is true that we
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: have two wings and one bird and it really doesn't matter.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: We end up in a new world order ourselves. And scripturally,
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: that would kind of go along with what Zachariah was saying,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: that all nations would turn against Israel.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Well, it's certainly possible. And there's a lot of other
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: things that, I mean, I guess there's an infinite amount
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: of detail if people wanted to go into it to
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: research it for themselves. But I look at things Like
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: who's capable of mounting a 200 million person army that
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: you see mentioned in the book of Revelation? Well, only
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: China is capable of that. And then you look at
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: the history behind the language of the words Gog and
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Magog that are written in there as far as locations.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: And you start seeing how that aligns with Moscow and
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: other regions throughout Western Russia. And it's just, you know,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: It's valuable to keep an eye on all of this
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: to an extent. And what I've taught people in my
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: studies and as I lead classes through these books like
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Joshua and others is the message of all of that
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: is not that we should be sitting here with our
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: chess pieces and trying to figure out what day is
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: it going to be it's the fact that god keeps
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: his promises regardless of what we do his will will
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: be fulfilled his intent for what's going to happen will
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: happen regardless of us and i'm glad you mentioned the
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: northern and southern kingdoms of what happened in well what
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: became israel in the north and judah to the south
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: The reason why the Israelites got carted off to Assyria
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: in 722 BC was because they rebelled against God. And
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: that's when it's not so good to be God's chosen nation,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: because he gave them very strict commandments of what they
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: were supposed to do, and they didn't follow them.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: And they were warned. They were warned more than once.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: More than once. The difference between Israel and Judah? Well, Judah,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: the southern kingdom, they had at least eight kings who
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: were pretty good and followed in the lines with the
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: will of God. But eventually, 586 BC, well, 605 and
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: 586 BC, they get carted off to Babylon, now Iraq. Well,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: and then you quickly realize that sometimes it's not so
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: special to be the chosen nation of God when you're disobedient.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Life gets a little challenging. So, Reading through the Bible
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: and looking at the current events and realizing why Israel
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: is what it is, why the Middle East looks like
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: it does, and what it has the potential to be.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: When you have a biblical worldview of things, there's no
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: stress on any of this. You realize who's in charge.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, amen. Perfectly stated. Lieutenant Colonel Darren Gobb is his name.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: We're about to end this hour. I've enjoyed the conversation,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: every bit of it. I want to wrap this up.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the will of God. What is the will
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: of God here in this that we're seeing right now
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: in Iran? I know you can't really answer, but if
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: you could, with your background and knowing scripture and as
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: a military planner, where is this going?
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, man, if I knew that there's a lot
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: of things we could do with that kind of foresight,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: but you know, it's, I am reminded of a book
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: series or a book I read a long time ago
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: by an author by the name of Tim LaHaye. And
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: it was titled The Coming Peace in the Middle East.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: And it laid out a bunch of stuff about what
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: the Middle East could look like in a peaceful environment
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: and what that could lead to for the nation of Israel.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: You know, who really, really knows? Only God does. But
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: when I see the Abraham Accords, I see these alliances
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: potentially coming together, these various nations coming And the opportunity
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: to crack open the nation of Iran again and let
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: the light shine in there once more. Yeah. I mean,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: it's pretty easy to make an argument why this could
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: very well and easily be the season and the birthing
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: pains that lead up to what happens in the book
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: of Revelation, whether it be 10, 15 years, whatever that
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: number is.
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Or a hundred.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Or a hundred.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: We needn't fear it.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: No, not at all. We should. Be happy where we are.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: We should enjoy our lives and do the best we
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: can every day to do what Jesus told us to do,
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: which was to love God with all of our heart
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: and love our neighbor just like that. You're not supposed
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: to love your neighbor any differently. Just like you love God,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to love your neighbor. I think some people
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: forget that sometimes. That's how simple Jesus tried to make
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: it with his words in telling us what to do. Darren,
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  Speaker 3: I know you have a book. I want you to
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: tell everybody the name of the book, where they can
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  Speaker 3: go get it before we get finished here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, thanks for that opportunity. The name of the
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  Speaker 2: book is called Veritas Vincent. It stands for Truth Prevails.
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  Speaker 2: 83 different essays on a number of topics about faith, family, freedom, military, diplomacy,
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  Speaker 2: international relations, you name it, it's all there. Three to
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: five page essays or so. You can find it on
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Barnes & Noble. You can find it on Amazon.com. And
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: if people reach out to me or sometimes people send
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: it to my house and I'll sign it and mail
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: it back to them. If they figure out a way
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  Speaker 2: to get a hold of me like that, I'm happy
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  Speaker 2: to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Do you charge them shipping for that? Or do you
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: pay for that? I've done the same thing. Sometimes people
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: send me $ 7 so I don't have to pay for it.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: It's up to them. I accept it if they send it.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: If they don't send it, then this is not about
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: a profit adventure. Otherwise, I'd be very disappointed.
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  Speaker 3: I understand. I do understand that. I would love everybody
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  Speaker 3: to read my book if I could give them all away,
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  Speaker 3: but I can't afford that either. Darren, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: His name is Lieutenant Darren Gobb, Lieutenant Colonel. I'm sorry,
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: I keep leaving that off. Retired Lieutenant Colonel Darren Gobb.
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  Speaker 3: We look for him on Fox News, Newsmax, all over
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  Speaker 3: the place. I see you everywhere, but thank you so much, Darren,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: for joining us.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Booker. Good to join you. And tomorrow, or I
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: should say... Coming soon, I guess you could say, Faulkner
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  Speaker 2: Focus on Wednesday morning will be my.
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  Speaker 3: Next Faulkner News hit. Congratulations.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to have me on for the whole hour,
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  Speaker 2: off and on.
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  Speaker 3: That's great. Well, I'll look for you there. Everybody else
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: will look for you. And don't forget that you were
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: told 2,000 years ago that you are the salt of
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: the earth. And salt without flavor, it has no value.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: So whatever you do, keep being salty. Have a great night.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: There is only one truth. You've been listening to The
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  Speaker 3: Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America Out Loud.